The Greatest Generation - Tantric Lobotomy (VOY S3E2)

Episode Date: December 6, 2021

When a piercing blue nebula digs up a repressed memory in Tuvok, he’ll need to meld his way out of another problem. But when he offers Janeway a walk-on, nonspeaking role in Star Trek VI, she’ll come face to face with a part of her security chief’s CV that he wishes he could forget. How can you remember a memory that you don’t remember? Is Tuvok cake? What is the solution to religious extremism? It’s the Coco Nono episode that’s pre-mixed and ready to go.Exchange scarves for goods at PodShop.bizSupport the production of The Greatest Generation.Friends of DeSoto for Democracy.Friends of DeSoto for Justice.Follow The Game of Buttholes: The Will of the Caretaker!Music by Adam Ragusea & Dark MateriaFollow The Greatest Generation on Twitter, and discuss the show using the hashtag #GreatestGen!The Greatest Generation is now regularly streaming on Twitch.Facebook group | Subreddit | Discord | WikiSign up for our mailing list!

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Welcome to the greatest generation. It's a Star Trek podcast by a couple of guys who are a little bit embarrassed to have a Star Trek podcast. I'm one of those guys. Ben Harrison is my name over here, Adam Pranika. Hey Adam, we rolled a Cocoa No-No. It's been a long time since we've rolled one of these. Rarely has there been a better time for a cocoa no no in our lives than right now.

You ever go back when we used to go to bars? You ever go to a bar when you just really fucking needed to go to a bar? This is that night for me. Yeah. Really needed this cocoa no no right now. I was a little worried that you seemed to be having that kind of day and I was wondering if the breaking the news to your wife that you were going to turn left at work at the

end of today was going to be a bad look. Oh no. I mean, this is a secret drink happening right now. There is no evidence of its existence anywhere else in the house. So that is not a good sign. No, I mean, I think keeping the peace is what you want to do whenever you can. People in both of our households struggling quite a bit lately. So definitely not throwing this bit of comfort making in anyone's face. It's a strange feeling to get home from your Star Trek podcast day and be like, fuck, what a day. My God.

And then your wife who doesn't have a job that sounds like a punchline, right? Also had a day and you're like, no, you really had a day. Yeah. We'll never have a day compared to that. It's really true. We're very lucky in that way, but what's your cocoa no-no drink of choice today? Well, I definitely went equatorial with it. For a long time, I wanted to make a lion's tail,

and I know that's a drink you're familiar with featuring the all-spice tail. I know, it's a lion's tail. It's an all-spice-dram based, teaky drink, and it's really nice for like, when the weather starts to get cooler, because that all-spice-dram is very, you know, it all-spice-drams, like, I don't even tell you about that,

but it's like a winter-spice. Yeah. So you get that at an iced that, but it's like a winter spice. Yeah. So you get that in an iced beverage and that's a really good thing. But I did not have simple syrup in the moment and we're peaked behind the pod, we're doing another two records in one day. I just didn't have the time to boil water

and make simple syrup and do that. So I just went to the standard margarita, the improved margarita, if you will. Here's the recipe for that. You get your one liter plastic squeeze bottle of Kirkland signature brand, margarita and tequila mixed bottle, all in one. You pour that in your insulated cup full of ice,

and then you pour one to two glugs of tequila, uno, blanco tequila on the top for a floater. You give that a swish with a finger, you'll lick that finger and you take it to the dome. Okay. We wisely did not record the other episode we had to record today after this one. Yeah, that's been known to happen.

That's how you get a consensual worn hammer, though. That's the recipe, but, uh, it also sometimes is the recipe for just a bad episode where you can't put sentences together coherently. Sometimes like I will say, we do like to go all out for Cocoa No No episodes drink wise. And what I want to say, much like it's been said that the best camera is the one you have on you. Sometimes the best cocktail is the one that is the closest distance between you and it. So tonight, this is that. Well, I don't have a pre-mixed thing to mix with here

at the house. And I had a bunch of limes. I had a birthday party a couple of weeks back. You didn't show up for some reason. Yeah, I had other plans. I could kind of get the sense that that wasn't really a day you wanted to celebrate. But I bought a whole bunch of limes for that. I want to be celebrating a different date for you. I bought a whole bunch of limes for that and I had some leftover. But these are limes that have been sitting around the house for a couple of weeks

and they, you know how lines like, they don't, like sometimes they will go bad where you see like patches of brown on the outside, but sometimes they just get smaller and smaller until they turn into like stones that look like half-size lines. I do know the type. Is that what you're working with?

They were like well on their way to that. And I was like, oh man, I don't think, because they're given up hydration to shrink. That's what's going away to make them smaller. So I was squeezing them and I was just getting barely any blood from these stones. And I was like, man, I'm not gonna have enough to make the drink I want to make, which is my standard rum punch that I make.

And then I realized that for the first time in my life as an adult Californian, I had limes growing on a tree at my house. That's amazing. I've seen this on the occasions when I've been to your house that haven't been your birthday party. I've seen limes grow on this tree. I was wondering if they were ready. They're ready, huh? They were ready and I went out and I harvested two beautiful, like way prettier than any lime I've ever bought in a store,

like perfect even color all the way around. Wow. And I really used them up. They're thin, thin, thin, beautiful like emerald green interiors, just gorgeous and I squeezed them and they made up the difference in lime juice. I'm like using up the last of the Kirkland signature limes that I bought for the party. Wow. Man. Supplemented with some limes that I grew my damn self.

I've got a, we've had a lime tree in a pot outside our front door. That was one of the first things we did when quarantine started. We were like, well, time to work on the herb garden and the container planting. Put this lime tree in that pot, have not grown a single lime. Lots of blooms. But no, lime's yet. So I I mean, we had our our this is also in a pot. And it was we had it for a year before I saw a piece of fruit show up on it. So yeah, maybe next year will be the year. Yeah,

we were we're encouraging it with some fertilizer and and some grooming. Yeah, you gotta get that a citrus tone. Yeah, you gotta get that citrus tone. Yeah, it grew up very tall and now the up growing is done. We need it to grow some fruit. Yeah, now it's time to grow out there, little buddy. Exactly. Yeah, I hope I have as good a look as you. Otherwise, I'm going to be coming over for them limes.

Yeah. Speaking of juice, Adam, there's a juice scene at the beginning of today's episode. Do you want to get into this episode of Star Trek Voyager? Can't wait, Ben. It's Star Trek Voyager Season 3 episode 2. Flashback. Cheers! Cheers. Reaver course. Unless you've got something a little bigger in your torpedo toots, I'm not drinking the mouth. Nielix is pouring a juice blend for TuVac. That's right out of that giant plastic tower in a chain hotel lobby area. Like that color exactly. He says something that I almost wondered

if it was meant to just be papaya in the script, but it sounded like alien papaya or something. No one ever buys this juice. This is a lobby juice that you're drinking here if you're TuVac. Yeah, he also says anthraxic and thoraxic citrus. Is that what you like open in a letter if you work in a Congress person's office? I remember those days.

Pretty scary. Get it open your mail with rubber gloves. Yeah, two-vac does not find this to be too pecan. Impressive. No, he's down. He likes it a lot. Warrior strength. Here's the thing though, when you have a hard to serve friend, I feel like you get your

win and you get the hell out of there. Nielix pivots right into, much like you never want to follow a stranger to a second location. He pivots into the second thing to serve. And this is where he gets into the weeds here. Neelix is also running an omelet bar this morning at Neelix's restaurant, which is normally a great deal, you know, like who doesn't love an omelet bar? Especially when made by a professional. A lot of times you think it's not worth the wait.

The lion at the omelette bar tends to be the longest because there's like real effort happening there. You can make your own waffle most places. You can get your yogurt and your mixed fruit or your Japanese breakfast if you're in that kind of hotel, fairly quickly, but an omelette. It's fun to make your own waffle. It is, but the omelette's worth waiting for.

Yeah. And turns out two bucks can have to wait a long time for this one. Yeah. There's like a power surge that causes the flames to get extra big on the weird garbage can cooktop that Nelix uses. Yeah. It scorches the omelette. This omelette is no more.

It does two-vac two favors. On the one hand, not gonna try those eggs. On the second hand, not gonna hear the story about those eggs either, which had a great big buildup here, because for Tlaxian's, the meal is about the story in a very, I don't know, Lidia Postionic kind of way, like when they cut, like she makes her thing, and then they cut to her like the strange parallaxing camera

that's circling her in a room when she talks about how Northern Italian cooking is different from Southern Italian. She looks up from the thing she's cutting and it's like makes eye contact with a whole new camera position that you didn't know was there. And why is this scene in black and white?

So the ship has pulled up to a gaseous anomaly. Got to love them. And this thing is full of cerillium, cerillium, a type of gas, or is it just cerillium that it's full of? That's a great question. I'm choosing to believe it's aium of gas? Or is it just a surrealium that it's full of? That's a great question. I'm choosing to believe it's a type of gas. It's gassy anomaly that could be useful for energy. And also an actor you can't take your eyes off of in performances like Inception, Batman Begins,

and Anthropoid. You want to get this, this silly energy onto your ship as soon as possible because I think your chances of a successful mission are increased if you get a silly a mom board. Yeah, I thought it was particularly chilling and red eye. Hmm, yeah, me too. Really intense eyes, nice powdery lips to this energy.

And I've heard that a Peaky Wonders is a great anomaly. I've heard that too. I just haven't seen it yet, but I'm gonna make some time for it. Everybody wants a piece of, you know, as we've discussed, it's great stuff.

Everybody wants a piece of it. We go around the bridge people suggesting other roles for cerillium. When it gets around to Chicoetay for his turn to talk about what he'll do with it, everyone's like, yeah, just don't get a to Chico Tay for his turn to talk about what I'll do with it everyone's like Yeah, just don't get a pregnant Chico Tay See if you can stop that from happening that seems to be your thing

That is like that wasn't my kid come on and it wasn't my fault. Why is everyone doing this to me? Were you guys not listening to Mori? He said all the things to me. Were you guys not listening to Mory? He said all the things. No one was on the ship during. That's the problem. That's part of Chico Tay's burden at this point. They're just going to have to take his word for it. Yeah. He wants to get booked on Nielix a show so that he can broadcast that out to the rest of the crew. Right. So they're going to use the Brasard collectors to collect this stuff, but while they are... You could really just go to any online streaming service to get your fill of the Threalium, right? The guy works.

Yeah. He's in a lot of stuff. Just click on the IMDB page and you will be astounded. But as they're talking about this project of gathering this stuff up, Tuvac starts to have a little bit of a moment back in his corner on the shift. It gets all shaky. He was in that late 90s SNL Rob Schneider sketch orgasm guy

where it doesn't take anything at all to get him to have an orgasm. You remember that sketch? God, look at the view. Tewvock is back here looking at the nebula and he's and he goes full Rob Schneider with it. Talk about feeling dizziness and disorientation. Yeah, he experiences a loss of blood flow. God blessed Tewvock with two heads, but just enough blood to run one.

This is one of those scenes that only works in Star Trek, but we never work in real life, because two Valks, like, I'm gonna take myself to Six Bay without escort. He takes himself there and- Don't need help. I think you need an escort, right? Yeah.

I don't know what it is about the 24th century that gets someone off the hook for that But as soon as he gets to six I mean it was super awkward when he like walked to the door and he's like no no no Don't get up and everybody was just still sitting sitting there. Well two Vox slash two vix has had a pretty bad track record of appealing to the crowd And an effort to save him from a dangerous situation. Yeah, yeah. You're not just going to stand there and watch me walk myself to Six Bay, right? People are pretty burned out on that whole thing. So he sees a little flash in his mind.

And this flash is a little girl asking for his help. They're on the edge of a cliff. And he's struggling not to drop her in a very cliffhanger style manner. Juma, don't let me fall. You're not here today. and he's struggling not to drop her in a very cliffhanger style manner. Jumbo! Young let me fall! You're like your dead! A human girl and a young two-vac, like 11, 12-year-old boy.

If only this show were made 10 to 15 years later, Young two-vac would be a viable Star Trek pitch in an era where we're just... We're making all the Star Trek's right now. We're telling you. Young two-v making all the star treks right now. We're telling these young two fuck wouldn't get greenlit right now on the Paramount Plus network. I mean, that kid, we only see him for moments at a time, but we know he's got jobs.

He's got all the paythos of dropping a girl to her certain death off of a cliff. You're telling me you wouldn't want to see a very stoic, very unemotional two-fuck during childhood. Like being a little sassy to the adults in his life. Fixin is bowtie, well, sassy in the bigs. But the scene is not nearly as funny as that pitch, which we should pitch immediately to Paramount Plus.

Yeah, we may be getting the room because adult Tuba collapses onto the nicely checkered pattern carpet of 6 Bay and we so rarely get textile details like this. He's on the floor, we're in close. I mean, you can reach out and touch the nap of that carpet. You know exactly what it feels like. We've seen this carpet a thousand times in a thousand airports. It looks like a material that would be right at home on a nice warm ladies top coat that you would buy at a thrift store. Oh yeah, absolutely. Or like the lobby area of an orthodontist.

Yeah, when we come back from the opening theme, he is describing this vision that he's had to the dock. And it's interesting, like, it's a memory, like he remembered it, like it's a memory, but he can also tell that it's not a memory that he remembers. Like he doesn't remember remembering this. Sure.

I was like, you're like the guy next to me at the bar that I'm like, hey, cool. I'm going to pay my tab. That's pretty much been our dynamic since we started our podcast. You keep working that out over there, friend. I'm going to move on down the road. It is suggested that this is like a recovered memory, which is, eww. Right.

I think it's just like a thing that happens in this era of television that the recovered memory thing is treated as like a real thing that really happens. Yeah, it seems like, I don't have a specific reference for this, but it seems like a very CSI kind of moment here Yeah, it was very popular in the in the mystery Crime show. Yeah a traumatic childhood experience that he buried so deep in his subconscious the time where he sast his parents the most I already finished my math homework. I can tie my own bow tie, dad. But this is weird, right? I mean, it never really happened, or he doesn't remember it.

No one knows. So when the, this is a great moment, like when the dock runs down the possible diagnosis for this condition, it is basically like everything that's ever happened on Star Trek could cause. That's kind of condition. And I really feel like that's why Star Trek doctors are bedraggled all the time. Like this is the hardest job in the universe, right? It could be proximity to a nebula, etc, etc. Could be Nagelum. Could it be Nagilum? Good answer. So they put a sort of neural halter monitor on him,

like right behind his earlobe, an ankle bracelet for his neck. Yeah. And they're like, well, we don't think it's going to happen, but if it does, we'll get some data on it next time. As soon as two Valkyrie of Six Bay, Janeway and the doc kind of look at each other and Kesse's there too, and they're like, we chose this guy, huh? Like we could have had two vicks.

This was the choice, Captain. Interesting question. Would this have happened if it was two vicks? I mean, I think it's going to be the enduring question for the rest of the series. This is what you ask for when you make an episode like two vicks. Yeah. One thing I know wouldn't have happened if it was two vicks is that two vicks goes back to his quarter and does building blocks as a way of relaxing. that Tuvac goes back to his quarter and does building blocks as a way of relaxing. And I can relate to this.

Having built a couple of large scale LEGO sets over the last couple of years for greatest gen, it is very relaxing. It doesn't just silly to see a grown man doing it. That's exactly at the image of Tuvac playing Vulcan Jenga, does not inspire a lot of confidence in his well-being at this point. Especially when he's bad at it.

And especially when all of the blocks have bright, festive color patterns printed on them. Like if they were a little bit more dour and vulcany, I think that this wouldn't have been quite the laugh line. Kess is so cute when she walks in and she's like, oh, you're doing Lincoln Logs, cool. Knock on my door, knock next time.

She's so unintentionally condescending, like that's the brand of her kindness. Like, I don't think she knows she's coming off this way as a character, but it's big fun when she does. I didn't see you playing with your dolls again. Good. And it's clear that like, two Vox comments to Kess are as much of an explanation for what he's doing to her

as they are an effort to convince himself that what he's doing is the right thing to do. She's here to adjust his little beaper. They want to monitor his peptides. Is two-vox cake? There's the meme! The guy is looking at the butterfly. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Two back is cake is two vicks cake is my question. Wow. Or is two vicks like half cake is two vicks even a kind of dessert? Yeah. I don't want to see the backside of that cake. I tell you that much. Don't need to see it. I want to eat that one in the dark.

The next morning, Chicoote and Tuvac are headed for engineering. And this is a moment where Chicoote has some advice about how to chill the fuck out when you're stressed. Look, man, clearly no one noticed what's been going on with me the last few episodes, but very stressful situation, W-slash-r-slash-t, whether or not I'm the father of SESCA's baby. what's been going on with me the last few episodes, but very stressful situation W slash R slash T, whether or not I'm the father of SESKA's baby. Sometimes I just like to do whatever it takes to chill out

and whatever that is for you, that's what I suggest. I've got an extra bundle in my quarters if you want it. Yeah. I thought that this scene was a great look for Chicaute. This was, this is the kind of commander that I have always wanted him to be. Like somebody who is trying to help and is going to back off

when that's not necessarily what the person wants. This is low key, a very riker moment of Chico Te here. It's not the same thing. Affably helpful, still a commander figure, but like willing to like, hey, you okay? A subordinate? I am not the captain, but I can offer you a little wisdom here. Yeah, totally.

Totally a subordinate. Normally, I just punch people in the face in the mess hall. That's, I'm actually, I'm working on that. We're going to, we're going to try some of the different here in the corridor. They make it down to engineering where Kim and Torres are doing some science on what could be causing this. They're exploring the idea that the nebula could have something to do with it. And two vachas like, hey, maybe we should see if there are any cloak chips in the area,

what with our proximity to cling on space. God. We've all been there. You zone out a little bit in a meeting and you get called on and you snap to and you say the stupidest shit. What I wish I had done in moments where I snap to and say something stupid is blame it on a medical condition. Are you alright Lieutenant? I'm just trying to save a room and in my life. Like, two back hits the deck right away. He's like, I'm just never been in my life. Like, Tuvac hits the deck right away.

He's like, ugh, oh, I'm having a flashback and he hits the deck because like, no one wants to live with the fact that he said the stupidest shit about the Klingons in this moment. It is a great way of getting out of a humiliation. I suspected Nagelom here because Tuvac definitely gets the Nagelom shakes when he samples to the ground. I love that shot where it's like, starts super super ECU on his eye and the camera spins

360 as it pulls out. I like this too. Yeah. Beautiful shot. Yeah. Get right in there. Closer. Get in there. Closer. We come back from commercial break and the doctor is showing a scan of Tuvac's brain that looks like there's like a lightning storm inside it. I was ready for the cemetery to come out of that thing and start blown up starfully chips. And I mean pretty inappropriate timing here, but the doc for some reason shows another scan of two vixes brain and it's totally normal and good looking. And it's just like look as a control I just wanted to show what a normal brain looks like, and what we're dealing with here. If anyone wants to tell a little bit elongated,

like that is both the thing that makes the back of his head particularly upsetting, but it also gives him extra volume for brain matter. Look, I can't leave Six Bay to tell Janeway this, but if anyone could just sort of let her know that we're still not over that decision. This psychological trauma that Tuvac is undergoing is causing brain damage and it's cascading.

It could get to a point where it actually lobotomizes him if he is not treated for it. It's like tantric lobotomy from the sound of it, right? Because this is not an external force. This is a storm that Tuvac's conjuring up on his own. Adam, when a Vulcan has a brain disorder, what do they do? They mind-meld the captain. You gotta do it. You gotta do it every time.

If it's Sarah, it's Picard. If it's Tuvac, it's Janeway. You need someone close, intimate, like family. Someone Toovac can trust to drive him home from a procedure using general anesthesia. Yeah. You know the type. Someone who could look at his mental tax documents

folder without judgment or recrimination. You know, like you got to let them all the way in. This is really intimate stuff. This is really intimate stuff. It's really intimate stuff. And it's something that the doctor sort of eases the captain into gets her primed and ready for the request. But then, Tuvac is the one to actually lay it on her.

One thing that I did not know that he says in this moment is that there are other Vulcans on the ship. He's like, I could, I could go to one of them, but like, if they looked at my tax document folder, they'd see all the, all the shit I look at during Pond Far. I don't think I could live with that. I'd really be slumming it with those Vulcans over there. And there's a moment where it's like, wow, well, we really got to prepare for the melt. Like, give us a little bit of time to get things together. Yeah.

No, you just need to drag two rollied office chairs together in an area over the room when you're good to go. Yeah, mine melting up the drop of a hat is always a good idea. Remember. What Tuvac is given is an hour to blast. I don't think you want to go into this with a full chamber. No. You don't want an 18-day load.

It's interesting, though, that the procedure as described ahead of time feels like a mental dialysis machine, right? Tuvac has to run this recovered memory through Janeway so that she can guide him through the reenactment of it, and hopefully by going through it together, she can be his memory Sherpa to kind of get through it, and then by the time they're on the other side, he'll have the insight to know how to think about this. I have to say that as a person who very recently

underwent some pretty intensive PTSD therapy, this is a very sci-fi treatment of this idea, but that is basically like what my treatment was, was going through the memory over and over again, and like going where it led, and it fucking sucked. Yeah, it was not easy or fun to do, but it was like me and my therapist

like going down into the depths together and then talking about what that brought up. Is there ever a feeling of solving it or is it just is success a matter of how you engage with the thing in a way that just doesn't hurt you as bad as it did initially? Like what, how do you feel like you get better? How do you measure progress or feeling healthy?

I mean, I think that the progress is fractional at first and it is not like peeling a bandaid off and finding that the wound has closed up. And it's a subtler recovery than most other kinds of things, but the recovery it was real like and I've had some very tangible like moments like many months after the therapy that really like brought into belief how much better I was Having gone through it. So it's a thing and like I I really liked the the setup and the way they described this from From that perspective because it sounded very familiar to me personally. I'm really glad that that's working for you and you're working through it in a positive way.

Yeah, me too, man. It helps a ton. The meld begins and it's not the memory that everyone is expecting. Like, it's not a cliff, it's not a girl. It's not a girl falling to her death. Tuvac is not a kid. What we get is a scene in a prison and Kirk absolutely smashing an alien's knee balls in. And Janeway bums a puff off of the sigurillo of a lady standing nearby. Yeah, no one's where they thought they'd be here. Ha-ha-ha. Rise, come ticket, that nothing of get that old better large, man, share, share. A greatest gen live show is something you don't want to miss. Why?

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Are you selling a heist? Adam, we are on Excelsior under the command of Akaru Sulu. As easy as it would be to put in a Sillian Murphy movie, we have put Star Trek 6 into the VCR about 15 minutes in, maybe. They really did it. They got Gracely Whitney Bank. They got a lot of the other extras from that scene back.

They put a bridge. I love the hero shot of Sulu stepping through the mist. Yeah. Like, this is a great Sulu episode. It really is. It is fucking awesome. And they are in the middle of a firefight with Klingons. The casual J-reports coming in.

19-1-2-V. Tuvac, can you see me? Yes. Jainway is there. And like the mechanic is that it's like a memory where nobody else is aware of Janeway, but they're aware of Tuvac. There's a man down the Tuvac is trying to attend to, and Janeway is like, Tuvac, what the fuck is this?

This is nothing like what you described. I was all geared up for a cliff and a girl and whatever. I don't know if you're allowed to do that. He's like, well, I was trying to get there, but we're here and maybe this is connected somehow. And she's like, well, where is this? What's going on? And he starts to kind of go through the story

of what happened to the Excelsior to get them into this firefight. And this is post the explosion of praxis, Excelsior heading towards Kronos and he takes her back a little bit earlier in the day when he's like getting up with his buddies in the crew, Mess Hall. All right, Gamma Shift, time to defend the Federation against gaseous anomalies.

And preparing some tea, some Vulcan tea for Captain Sulu that he's gonna use to try and suck up to the boss. I wish I'd have thought of that when I was your age. I'll never understand the, I can't believe you didn't know this sensibility of a Star Trek nerd more than when Janeway was walking around Star Trek 6, not really getting what she was seeing, because like Star Trek 6 is my favorite Star Trek movie. It's so foundational. I know every frame of it.

And for Captain Janeway to be looking around, not really getting where she's at, was like the moment where I was like, come on. I feel like this is a thing that actors that get cast in Star Trek shows always have to try and control for. Like when they get the interview, when the news comes out that they've get cast in Star Trek shows always have to try and control for. Like when they get the interview when the news comes out that they've been cast, like they always have to say, I'm a total Star Trek fan, I've always loved it. Yeah. Whether or not that's true, because they don't want anyone to question their bonafides,

you know. I love how much shit Rand gives Tovac for wanting to bring Sulu his morning tea. Like, you're such a ladder climber. What the hell is this? But the darkness to Rand's comment here is, like, she's only saying this because of, in her day, to move up the ranks, what she would have to do in the workplace harassment obstacle course was like a Japanese game show in terms of the gravity like like Janice Rand has seen some shit that two vach will never understand. It was like I would have gotten a lot quicker promotions if I hadn't been put on Kirk's command.

Right. Exactly. And when two vach finally serves the tea, there's a really fun three shot where there's Sulu and TuVak and Rand in the middle, like peeping it. It's so fun. I also love Janeway taking Umbridge with the fact that TuVak never sucked up to her in quite this way. I rent Iworth sucking up to TuVak.

There's coffee in that tea. This is a moment where Janeway also asks the question that I had, which is like, why is this not in Tuvac service record? There's some conversation about like part of Janeway's confusion is that she thought she knew her support and everything he did professionally. What the hell are you doing here in this uniform? Is this another dream state? Now, you've been in Starfleet for 80 years and you're a fucking lieutenant. Yeah. Yeah. This is like Ensign Mariner level unwillingness to get promoted.

To that kind of waves it away at this point as something that he'll have to explain later and That's not the only wave in this scene because this is the moment with the praxis explosion incoming And it's so much fun to watch the movie footage Enter cut with the television footage. It's not a great fit resolutionally, yeah, but I I'm such a huge fan of Star Trek 6 that I just loved every moment that was intercut here. It's so great.

I mean, I think that also the actors of all age to a little bit from when they shot Star Trek 6. But they did it as well as they possibly could have. This is so much more advanced than what they did when Scotty visited the Enterprise Bridge on the Holodeck. Like, they completely built this set. You can see the repurposed Enterprise D control consoles out there in the bridge that have been like spray painted silver.

Like, everything looks perfect. And it's just that the actors are a little older and the cameras are a little shittier when they cut to the television footage. I thought I had seen every frame of every moment in Star Trek 6, I did not remember a rotating police light on the ceiling of the bridge at the Excelsior in Star Trek 6.

If it's always been there, then that's on me. Then I just didn't notice that because you really get a face full of it in this scene here when they cut to the wide shot on the bridge. I had not noticed that that's how they do red alert there. I love it. I love it so much.

That's how it is on the hood, right? You notice how to keep the rotating police light on the bridge. Mm-hmm. That's big fun. Definitely at some point in my film school career, I bought a rotating police light at like a lighting store in New York and I was like, this is 30 bucks,

but I'll use this a billion times. Yeah, I was just still that bad thing. It's so fun to hear about what the Excel Seer did off screen in Star Trek 6. And the story as we get it here is that she drives through a nebula in order to head to where Kirk and Spock are. And this is a decision, Sulu makes the Tuvac protests big time.

As a Starfleet officer, it is my duty to formally protest. Tuvac. A pretty bold statement for an incident. It's one of those, a very junior officer, without enough context takes umbridge with a decision made by the commanding officer and stands up to him and tries to cite chapter and verse. And Zulu is really cool about this.

Like he turns it into a teachable moment. There are things that override our orders and there are reasons to do this that are not in the manual or whatever. I thought this was the scene that got a yes out of George decay. Like, this is why you do the episode of your hymn, is for a moment like this. This was perfectly delivered, perfectly reasonable. Everything you want to know about a main cast, TOS character, and their reasons for doing anything. I loved it. I got the chills during it. I'll take it one further Adam. This scene made my heartbreak for the Captain

Sulu show we never got. Yeah. Like he is so good as the ultimate authority figure on the bridge. Yeah. And it's such a rare glimpse of that that I wish we could have gotten more of. I don't get it. I mean, like all of these sets were built up for this moment. If you wanna make a Captain Zulu show and you got a bridge and a bunk room and a ready room, like you tell me we can't get 10 episodes out of that. For a season, the failure of vision

that that represents is heartbreaking. I can clear my schedule. I promise you am I available for a stir turn. As long as it doesn't conflict with my work as a board member for the Los Angeles Metro. They get to the nebula and it looks just like the silly and Murphy nebula from the voyage remission and Sulu looks at it and he's like, maybe you get me a Greek guest star.

Someone with some Grevitess. The nebula, hugely triggering to young Tuvac or to... Yeah, I mean, not the... He's not wearing the bow tie. Not the youngest two-vac. Not the littleest two-vac. I'm talking about here. But this knocks him out of the simulation.

This breaks the mind-melding. We see this girl fall off a cliff a dozen times this episode. That's all she does. This is part of the kid. I expected a button on the episode where she's safe and we hear her story. And like you get a moment a child actor probably craves like that's a little more

than falling off a cliff. That's it. It's what child actors crave, Adam. And yet this girl was brought to set to fall off a cliff. Over and over again. While E. Coyote of this episode. Yeah. Yeah.

She's that would have been fun, right? If they'd shown her fall off and, like, fall past the circle of confusion into nothingness and then, like, weight half a beat and then a little puff at the bottom. She's the Wendy K.O.D. Yeah. And then, like, and then they cut down to surface level

and out of the clearing dust, a sign gets held up that says like help or like I wish I had more lines in this episode. Yeah. She does a great job falling off a cliff. She really sells it. I'm gonna look her up. I feel like she deserves a name right? Yeah it's name checker. Well you're while you're name checking her I'm gonna refill my cocoa no-no here I brought an ice bucket out for the drink deserving of a refill I squeezed my own homemade limes here Adam. I'm not gonna not drink them I've got unknown performers as five children during my in-mail that makes sense

I'm not seeing a credit for girl falling off a cliff. What the fuck? How is that possible? She's a major part of the show. Yeah, she has lines. Do better, memory alpha. Demetres Lawson plays young Tuvok. Yeah, you tell me you can't give a young girl falling off a cliff. A credit here? Not seeing it, are you?

No. Weird. Man. Perfect black, make it yourself. I'm trying to help you see this as an opportunity to grow. Make it yourself. Well, things aren't going well in two Vox brains. And Janeway is pretty frustrated by this. They were so close to getting somewhere. And they've got nowhere. And she's like, well, like, wake him up. When we talked to him about what we saw. And Doc holiday is like his brain is basically in a slow motion shatter right now. I'm not like waking him up or slapping him on the face

like I do with anybody else. Wake up Lieutenant. If his head was shot with a phaser aboard a starship, like his skull would disappear and inside would be a pot of mashed potatoes with a whisk sticking out. I have to say revisiting undiscovered country as of milieu and not seeing the mashed potatoes. Yeah, that's tough. It is a bit of a disappointment.

Yeah, I couldn't quite finish in this episode without it. It's not exactly the tax documents folder I was. Yeah. It's not exactly the tax documents folder I was like. Yeah. After the meld, Jane Ways in her Regi room, reviewing the post game show of the mission when Kim walks in with information comparing the two nebulous in both memories.

The thing about this. Yeah, because they can like look back in Starfleet logs and say like, okay, this is the nebula that they were scanning when two vox memories that we just visited happen. It's a weird how apologetic Kim is about the comparison. He's like, look, the Star Trek 6 nebula was actually kind of a piece of shit,

like not that big, not that impressive. And I measured from all parts of it, like to try to give it a little more, like impressiveness, I tried to jizz it up a little bit. I'm telling you, the one that's outside of your screen right now, much, much bigger, much more impressive, could really satisfy you.

Yeah. And Janeways, like, thank you, Kim, you make it, and Kim is like, also I have some strong medical opinions about what might be happening in Tubaq. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, I really liked the kind opinions about what might be happening in Tuvak. Hahaha. I really liked the kind of romantic way they talk about TOS era start trek in this episode. And this is a great scene for it

where Kim and Jane were talking about, like, oh, it was a different time. Like when Sulu wanted to like omit some shit from his log, he could just do that. And there's no like other records that would corroborate what happened. There's something so fun whenever we get

a current era start track thing talking about the TOS era as their historical past and the romanticism of like, oh, that was a different time. Those were the swashbuckling crews that they could bend the rules and the alpha quadrant was largely unexplored. They really romanticized it in a very fun way.

It used to be every character in Star Trek was kind of a bread durif type. And it's ironic that those are the types now that we send it to house arrest. Also noteworthy in the scene at the cup of coffee that Janeway is drinking from is a type of glass that is still available on the market and a friend of DeSoto sent me a couple of those

a few years ago. Looking for a resume. Yeah, you're looking at yours right now. I am. Asso. You're kind of like fondling it on camera. The viewers can see that at home. There's two of them. I'm sure that they meant for one of them to go to you. Yeah. I'm sure my wife would love that. The presence of a strange piece of glassware. One random. Yeah. He's a glassware. Yeah. That'll be great. Cool. Now we'll just drink out of them over there. Back in Six Bay, two Valk is describing the story of Star Trek 6 to the people there. When the moment strikes, you want to do another meld?

Hell yeah. Yeah. Let's do it. And so they get back into those brains. And this time they flash into the aftermath of a battle with the Klingons right into the bunk room where Dimitri Valtain has top bunk conversational energy with Tuvac. Like Tuvac is holding up a bunch of stop signs here as the bottom bunk and Dimitri Valtain is driving right through. It really is. Just overriding Tuvox, very obvious desire to sleep. Demetri Veltain down for the cause.

He has a diet in the wool, starfleet, stand, and he is talking to a man who he doesn't realize has already made the decision to resign his commission based on Sulu's decision to go rescue Kirk and McCoy. One thing that goes on said the entire episode that I think a modern show might get into a little bit more is how much more make-wease probable you are if you ride for Sulu's choice here versus not. Like doing your own thing and doing what you think is right as it relates to your sense of justice is make-wee's. Make-wee's? And no one regards it as such,

but I believe that's the truth here. And as an institutionalist, Tuvac is sort of seeing his world shattered and he talks to Janeway about like, I joined Starfleet under pressure for my parents. I fucking hated it. I never wanted to do it. This is the reason you left tennis high school, right?

Yeah, I was like, fuck you dad. I'm never gonna do another backhand. Fuck you dad and fuck you Rod Laver. I'm gonna wear shorts that have a five inch inseam and I'm never gonna wear three inch inseam shorts ever again. Yeah, I do not have the legs for three inch inseam shorts. I really wish I did. Yeah, it'd be nice. Astral leg. It's five litemum. Yeah, absolutely. Seven maximum. Oh, I bet seven's your max. I mean, three-inch and seamless is risky. Let's be honest. Tuvac basically tells Dmitry that all starfleet are racist.

You could only hear yourselves. And that he's turning in his badge and his phaser after this mission. Yeah. I like Dmitry Valtrain. I think he's a chill as hell face of a dude that just so happens to hate everything that TuVak stands for in this moment. But like I love his vibe utterly. I think this is a great way of understanding like standard issue human starfleet against

non-standard issue Vulcan starfleet. And it's a very interesting scene in two bucks as like I left Starfleet for 50 years because of this. Like this is a thing that I didn't think I could deal with and I think I didn't feel like I could countenance. It's the explanation that was promised earlier, right? Like wrecking scratch. You're probably wondering how I ended up here

before leaving Starfleet for 50 years. He went home to become like a religious zealot, essentially, like he was like trying to achieve a state of pure logic and then went into heat. He underwent panfar and fell madly in love and being a dad and raising kids and seeing parenthood from the other side is the thing that persuaded him that his negative reaction to what his parents' dreams for him were was misguided. Yeah. I mean a lot of lives have probably been saved from religious extremism by that ass.

I mean, have you seen to pal? Yeah. Damn. Yeah. So he went back home, got a wife, had some kids, and once he had done so he sort of became mature enough to recognize the ways that being in Starfleet could benefit him. Of course, it's long day. You would. You're good.

You're good. Listen to me very carefully, because I'm gonna say this once. Oh. The next time he goes on shift, they march up to the bridge, and it is the Excel Sierra getting set upon by Kang's D7. Yeah.

A lot of familiar, like this is such a great episode. It's like, oh, you think we're done pulling up old faces from past Star Trek shit? You're wrong. Do not let it end premajority. We say this all the time. Star Trek is the most economical science fiction series of all time. So I was expecting like a recycled D7 model angle here. But no, this looks like a fresh shoot. And getting it from this angle with a hood class in the background is an awesome composition. I loved it.

It's dope and Kang. And like there is a kind of like game recognized game. Like rivals who have a lot of respect for each other, energy between Sulu and Kang. That's really fun. Oops, my ship is broke. We will withdraw from the nebula once we've restored navigation. I assure you, we do not need escort.

But if you'd like to begin that escurt, you're welcome to do so right now. I love this moment. A fly on the wall for this. And clearly loving it. My issue with this scene is that the silly and nebula is so smoldering, you almost don't need much of a spark to make anything happen here because the actors is hot as hell. But as soon as the ships turn into this thing, Sulu lights the match and doesn't amount of damage to Kang's ship that doesn't hurt anyone, just kind of stops the ship from giving them much trouble any further.

Yeah, Kang is KO'd and it seems like they're home free, but then a bunch more ships show up and start dropping bangers on them. Sit, goose to Krunus. Those are the kind of torpedoes from this era that shoot, raise out all over the place for some reason. No one in my time period goes at Kronos. And yet I will be the one to start that trend. I'm a bit of a Kronos hipster. I was doing it before it was cool. Three battle cruisers ahead isn't a good sign.

For what's to come though. And Demetri Valtain takes a console to the face when he doesn't listen to two-vac about maybe backing away from that explosive panel. And this is the moment where he flashed right back into young two-vac dropping that girl off a cliff again. And then right back into six bay, like sort of a reset. We're reset in six bay because like they're still locked into the mailed, right? Like it's sort of like, Janeway and two-vac have been electrocuted and you need to touch

them with a stick. Like you can't touch them in person because they don't electrocute you. Yeah, you got to get a non-conductive material to whack them with. Yeah, and the do get a non-conductive material to whack them with. Yeah, and the docolene has kiss. It's sort of like inception logic, right? Like they're stuck out in like the real world and then in the simulation, two-vac is stuck and he keeps going into the secondary simulation of this horrible memory. And the doctor is not having a lot of luck

getting them out of it. And this is when the mind meld sort of breaks and Sulu becomes aware of Janeway's presence in the simulation. Who the hell are you? There's a kind of groundhog day effect to how the meld is working story wise too, right? They keep popping back generally to the same part of the story in order to affect the melda's working story wise too, right? They keep popping back generally

to the same part of the story in order to affect the thing that happens later. And they can't quite get it right for the first few times. I know that sounded like a mid-sentence statement, but I meant to stop it there. I really wanted those days, Adam. I really expected Sulu to see Janeway and like do something a little more affected

than center to the break, which is his choice. Yeah, he's got his hands full though, right? Like he's being attacked by by Klingon ships. Like he can't really be the point man on this. He's got much bigger fish to fry, but I also just love that thing where two Valken Janeway keep talking to each other like Sulu isn't there. What's happening? Why can he see me? I asked your question. Who are you? What are you doing on my ship? I think that maybe one sort of missed opportunity in this is like, I kind of wish we got a Janeway Sulu scene. Yeah. That was a little bit more

substantial. Yeah. And what's tough is like she was crippled with the trivia early on. So there was never a foothold for her to be like, you're Captain Sulu. And, and here's what I know about you right that can suddenly get me out of the brig in this exact moment. You were born in San Francisco. And there's no root. It's not like space time continuum rules where Janeway couldn't have talked to him and changed the outcome of this thing. This is all happening in two Vox mine And it would have been really interesting to have Janeway have an interaction with with Sulu that totally changed the story of Star Trek Somehow Yeah

I know, yeah Why don't we kick the spurs into this hood clash ship head over to Ruru Pente and smash the Malians in the knee nuts. There's coffee in those knee nuts. The plan they come up with is go back earlier in the day before Sulu was wise to Janeway's presence, get commander ranz uniform so that Janeway can kind of blend in a little bit better on the bridge. Kind of a fun scene here when Janeway's like, walks up to Rand and she's like,

I need to close your boots and your bob. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. Meanwhile, in Six Bay, Doc Hollow Day has discovered something kind of interesting in the memory end gram that is replaying over and over in two-vox head. It's got like a carrier signal and then like something else is riding on it. I love this bit of science. Like we get the idea that it's a virus, a memory virus. It mimics a memory that way a virus would mimic some other kind of bodily system.

Good thing you can kill it with radiation, Ben. It is a good thing, Adam. I mean, they tried to offer that to TuVac, and he was like, I don't know. I know you're a doctor, but I just need more evidence. I'm gonna do some of my own research. Yeah, how did those green smoothies work for you, Toobuck? You're falling apart.

So we cut back to the bridge of the Excel Sierra. Commander Rand, nowhere to be found, and Captain Tula, a little bit worried that his first officer is, uh, as MIA, while they're like, in, clinging on to space. And they start getting the bangers dropped on them. I was really hoping that there was a storyline here where Valtain didn't get a panel to the face. Yeah, we're like, Tuva convinced him not to keep computing

on the exploding computer. Yeah, this is the version of Groundhog Day where he drives the truck off the cliff every time. I have to say, this is, this is the version of Groundhog Day where he drives the truck off the cliff every time. I have to say this scene, uh, we get a shot of Janeway marching across the bridge in her TOS movie uniform. I don't think we've talked enough about what a great March Captain Janeway has. Like when she is marching around, fucking, she looks great. And I feel like this uniform really accentuates it in a way

that I didn't notice enough before. On a scale of Kate Mogrew and Harrison Ford, like Kate Mogrew is a 10 on confidence walk and Harrison Ford is a one. The way she like swings her arms when she locks is fucking incredible. Yeah, she rules extremely dumpy uniform on her though in a way that like you get it because it's a ranch uniform, but it's a ranch uniform. It's not it's not that like bullshit movie thing of somebody stealing a suit from somebody else and then they're in the suit in the next scene. And it's like, wow, that is a professionally tailored suit for you.

The monster Maroon as a uniform and star trek though is so awesome that like you just want to look awesome in it, I think. Yeah. Yeah. So when Valten goes down this time, two of us is deep enough in it that Janeway is able to have him stay in the moment. And she's like like talking him through like let's go watch that girl die again And two Valk like really strains against it and in six Bay They're watching as the end gram like jumps from two Valks mind to hers and we see The young two Valk were placed by a young Janeway

And we see the young two-block were placed by a young Janeway. Help me cap the place, don't let go. In the same spot, dropping the same girl. Yeah, and we also get like a bunch of other kids as the fall off the cliff kids. It's like, it's a small world cast of kids. Yeah, absolutely. Like all different costumes and, uh, it's so wild. None of them with a credit. Yeah.

They wake up out of this meld after this. And the doc tells them what we know at this point, which is that it's a viral parasite that hides in bad memories for its survival. It thrives on peptides and I'm like, give the virus some cake with mentafrosting. It'll get right out of your brain and into that cake. Good news, if you don't have a bad memory of your own, this virus will make one for you.

It covers up its presence in your mind by being such a shitty memory that you never want to think about it. Yeah. Yeah. And it was in Valtain originally, Tuvac got it from Valtain. Yeah. Where a mask, Valtain, what the fuck? Yeah, I mean, so much more damage was done during Valtain's explosion than we realized. Sucks. Really sucks. Yeah.

Was there ever a real girl or a real cliff? It doesn't seem that way. It seems like this was a construct of the virus. So just a made up thing. Yeah. So in the corridor, the very last scene is too about getting nostalgic about his time with the OG Star Trek cruise of that day.

As nostalgic as he could possibly be, really. Which is not nostalgic at all. It's Janeway who is envious of his experience. If I didn't know you better, I'd say you missed those days on the excelsier. On the contrary. But you better, I'd say you missed those days on the excels here. On the contrary. But Janeway, I mean, if you were that interested, you might have done some research, I guess, before this experience. It's really fleshed out to Valkyze character for me, though.

Like, it's very interesting to think about, like, I've always wondered about the Tim Russ role in Star Trek 6 and how it relates to Voyager, whether that character is connected to this one or not, and it's really nice to see that line be drawn here, and it was bad. Well, I guess I should just ask, did you like this episode? I think at the time I might have had different feelings about it. Like this was an episode constructed for Star Trek's 30th anniversary.

Like hey, we've got to do something special. We have a show in production. What can we do that would be a fun callback for that? Let's see if we can do an episode that points back at something directly in the film universe. And I think I might have seen this at the time as a cynical play toward that kind of nostalgia. Right now, though, I love it. I love it so much. This is one of my favorite episodes for the reasons that might not have worked back in the late 90s. It was super fun seeing Star Trek 6 again through someone else's eyes. Yeah. I mean, if anything, I could have used even more of that. Give us less juice in the first scene and more Star Trek 6 scenes later on as where I'm at. Like,

if I'm in a... You've always said Star Trek 6 is a place and it's a place you just wanna visit. Yeah, it's true. It was fun, like with a character like Valtain to like bulk up a bridge officer's story there retroactively, was a really fun bit of business. And also like, directly, David Livingston, like directed the shit out of this episode.

And I loved how exotic he got with his camera moves and stuff, like moving around the characters and the circles that he does. Like, visually, it wasn't just about going back to a popular movie. He put a spin on it visually that made it fresh to me so that it wasn't such a retread. I really liked the episode a lot. What have I you been? I really did too, so cool. And I think that's a very astute point that like in at the time

may not have felt as well earned as it does in retrospect. But I always get a kick out of like one series drawing connective tissue to one of the movies or to one of the other series. And this is so such a great way of making my understanding of two-block as a character deeper and also making my understanding of Star Trek 6 as a movie deeper. Like it's so fun to say like, okay, like there are things happening in parallel in Star Trek 6. That's like the whole thing about that movie. But there are also stories that we don't get to visit all the way through. What happened to the Excelsior is a question that is very well answered in this. Yeah, I like being in Sulu's head a little bit about his decisions during that movie,

because we get so little of him. I mean, there's triumphant moments when we do get Sulu in Star Trek 6. Great moments that are well-earned, but it's nice to see what he's dealing with. It really is. You want to see if there's anything nice to deal with in the priority one in box? Oh, yeah. I'm going to head right there. I might take a little shortcut through a nebula though. Okay. Priority one message from Starfleet coming in on Secure Channel.

Need a supplement on top of the month Supplement Supplement Yeah, it's extra. How do you interest alone? Could be enough to buy this ship? Hey Adam our first priority one message is from Dan and it's Adam and Ben and it goes like this Hey Ben, hey Adam now that I've got a little extra scratch, I wanted to follow up with my previous P1 requesting any DS9 app other than Time's Orphan.

I just think that episode is a turkey. Yeah, that was a long time ago. Yeah, I'm like, I have to like, Google it because I feel like I remember it, but I- Oh, that's the one where the O'Brien daughter becomes a teenager. Yeah, the the crow magnum O'Brien I don't understand the reference like

Following up to that message. What is the request? I yeah, I don't know. I don't know what Dan wants I wish I wish we knew what you wanted Dan Dan if you tell us but but we appreciate that you would ask. Dan, now a 2P1 punch card owner. Look, just tell us what you want. I'm gonna say this. Don't buy another P1. Just tell us what you want, Dan. Just clarify.

Yeah. Clarify the message. Yeah. We'll fix this. Yeah. I mean, we won't, but our intentions are good. No one's going back into this episode to fix this. Thanks for your support, Dan. Yeah. Thanks for sticking around post DS9.

Feels like forever ago. Ben, our second priority one message is, from Dan and Starfleet Academy City. Is this another Dan or is this the same Dan? God, I don't know. We might need to look this up. It is too Adam and Ben and the brother's Shimoda. It took six months and a day from my last P1 to air,

and in parentheses, November 16th to May 17th. Okay. In that time, we saw a lot of real history. Plus, the end of real history. Plus, Yeah, we did. The end of a podcast. As I submit this on May 28th, I fear the world will change before this is read. How was fire season?

Our China and India still at war? Juck the humans. Seven of nine, you can assimilate me now. Hahaha. Hey. Dan is referring to some great times over the last year and uh... Just been splendid. And also the potential for future great times ahead.

Yeah. Boy, you just never know when you fill out a P1 message, what the landscape's gonna be. Yeah, we have one or two cryptic dance in the P1s today and if you'd like to be a cryptic dan or a different kind of person what a dead-to-max-of-a-fot.org slash jimbo-dron we really had Miriam dance this episode hey I have a dear friend named Miriam and a dear friend named Dan to whom she is married. Wow. Wow. Well, very confusing for them if they ever listen to our show. Yeah, they don't. Of course not.

You know, I'm really easy to get along with, close to the side. But I don't like bullets, I don't like friends, and I don't like you. I'm just joking. Hey Adam. Step in. Did you find yourself a drunk Shimoda? I don't like friends and I don't like you. I love this too. Hey Adam. What's that been? Did you find yourself a drunk Shimoda? I don't know. Drunk Shimoda!

I'm gonna give my Shimoda to Janice Rand. I think from what I read about her involvement in the show, she had very little lead time to prepare. She shows up and fucking crushes her scenes. Yeah. She gets undressed and her uniform stolen by Janeway. She throws a fair bit of sass to Tuvac. She is a like real main character in this episode, which I think if you're a guest star, especially in an episode where you know George decay is going to be like the top line guest star, like she has a lot of

chewy shit to do, which she clearly delighted and did a great job with. So I'm going to give my Shimoda to Gracely Whitney slash Janus Rand. Great Shimoda. I'm going to give mine to the other kids, those kids that got cash. The kids in the world book in cyclopedia. Put on the costumes and appear as other people that dropped that girl off. I feel like they got such a, another thankless acting task. Both thankless in that they were uncredited, but also thankless in that they just like,

got no lines, you just have to experience horror and grief for a split second on camera. Can you imagine the lobby area for that day, where they're doing the tryouts? And it's like all these different types of kids are like, what are you reading for, cliff kid? Yeah, cliff kid. What, your cliff kid? Who do they want for Clif kid? What kind of, what kind of Clif kid are they going for? I guess they're just going to like shoot for the edits. Very confusing.

Yeah. A lot of great after actors started off as cliff kids been so we shouldn't laugh There are no small actors. There are only small cliff kids. You know, I heard silly and Murphy's first role was a cliff kid So yeah, and look at him now the next episode we're gonna be watching is Season three episode three the shoot Convicted of a crime they didn't commit convicted of a crime they didn't commit. Paris and Kim may spend the rest of their lives in a hellish prison together. Yeah.

This is an episode that I feel like I always think of as being a TNG episode. Yeah. For some reason, there's like some stuff in this episode that's really stuck in my head. And I always expect to see the shoot when I watch TNG. Interesting. And then I'm like, it's not in here. Where is it?

Wow. Well, I'm expecting Kim and Paris to smash a lot of knee balls on their way out of this prison set. Yeah. Gonna have to break out of this prison. Like kicking this alien in the nuts. I got a real bad case of claustrophobia. Gonna have to start digging. We're gonna leave some of the dirt that I fall out of the bottom of a trousers.

Alright, who's rolling the phone, Ben? That's gonna be me today. I'm over at gaff.biz slash game where we keep the game of buttholes. The will of the caretaker. Our runabout is currently on square 12, the Cocoa Nono square of the second row, which we've seemed to be doomed to repeat.

Let's just tear this game in half. I don't wanna know what's above square 50. I don't to know what's above square 20. Plenty of action to be had down here. It's been so long since we've hit a moorn hammered. It's been yeah. Observedly long. Yeah. You're required to learn as you play. Roll. All right I'm gonna roll our six-sided die. See what happens. Oh, love it! Oh my god, Adam, I rolled the six. I landed us on Square 18, which is a Quarx bar. Drink, it was the antidote.

How about that? A second consecutive drunk-assowed. Good. We had such a long drunk-assowed desert, and now we're in the lush drunk-assowed jungle. This is great. I think this is great news for us I have plenty of Kirkland signature margarita left That I can use for this occasion and I'm looking forward to it Ben. I'm looking forward to seeing you Kirkland signature drunk. Yeah, it's a tremendous value for my drunk. I'll tell you that much

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