The Greatest Generation - Tasteful Ship Nudes (VOY S2E1)

Episode Date: May 31, 2021

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Priority 1 message from Starfleet coming in on Secured Channel. Hey friends of Disodo. Before today's episode, we just wanted to take a moment to talk about the historic labor actions being taken by writers and actors in the American Film and Television industry. If you're a fan of the work done by the people who make Star Trek, we hope you'll join us in standing in solidarity with the folks who actually bring these adventures to life. Over the past several years, the AMPTP, the organization that represents the American Film and Television Production Studios, have reduced the profit from movies and TV going to workers. And in so doing,
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Starting point is 00:02:22 Or Captain Cap. Bringing where the U.S-S-4-H-D-R-Captain-Captain-Captain-Captain-Captain-Captain-Captain-Captain-Captain-Captain-Captain-Captain-Captain-Captain-Captain-Captain-Captain-Captain-Captain-Captain-Captain-Captain-Captain-Captain-Captain-Captain-Captain-Captain-Captain-Captain-Captain-Captain-Captain-Captain-Captain-Captain-Captain-Captain-Captain-Captain-Captain-Captain-Captain-Captain-Captain-Captain-Captain-Captain-Captain-Captain-Captain-Captain-Captain-Captain-Captain-Captain-Captain-Captain-Captain-Captain-Captain-Captain-Captain-Captain-Captain-Captain-Captain-Captain-Captain-Captain-Captain-Captain-Captain-Captain-Captain-Captain-Captain-Captain-Captain-Captain-Captain-Captain-Captain-Captain-Captain-Captain-Captain-Captain-Captain-Captain-Captain-Captain-Captain-Captain-Captain-Captain-Captain-Captain-Captain-Captain-Captain-Captain-Captain-Captain-Captain-Captain-C I'm Adam Pryanaka. You've got a little John Wayne going there. I'm Ben Harrison. I don't know what comes over me during the intros. I try to give it a different spend every time. Yeah. You want to come to these and feel fresh. Like we're not just kind of recycling the same old fucking Kevin Uxbridge bits over and over again and calling it a new episode of the podcast.
Starting point is 00:03:03 There's 360 some different versions of that open. All of them unique in their own way. You know that. I know. It's one of the things people love most about the show is that the intros are so unique. Yeah, no one skipping over this. Yeah, we can see in the metrics. No one skips over the Marin, no one. Yeah, we go through the metrics after every show release and are disappointed every time. Hey, I saw you yesterday. You did. And I've been I've been seeing a lot of you lately. Yeah. It's been a new thing in my life. A couple of double tap Vax fully shaved and 420 friendly start-check podcast hosts are out there in the world man double tapped very professional yeah yeah
Starting point is 00:03:52 he went to a comedy show hosted by Jackie Cates and Laurie Gilmarts of the Jackie and Laurie show right here on maximum fun when my wife and I were headed out there at the undisclosed location, I was feeling some things. Because when we moved down to LA, that was one of the big draws for us was see in a ton of comedy because that was a thing that we would do every time we visited. We'd go to the comedy store. And since moving down here, haven't seen a single comedy show. Wow. And I was I was really excited to go to this. Yeah. And I was also really nervous to go to this because this is the first social event that I had been to with strangers. Right. And I've got to admit to you something that I didn't say, which was like,
Starting point is 00:04:46 you're a man that I was going to be there also. Well, I would have just told you that. But I was super nervous about it. Like, my body felt nervous on the drive over. Yeah. In a way that I couldn't suppress. I thought about turning around a number of times. I thought about turning around a number of times. It's interesting because I was coming from a weekend where my wife and I went to Ohio for a wedding. And so I'd kind of ripped that bandaid off already. You already did it. And you did it before me. I've always been kind of a lay bloomer though.
Starting point is 00:05:20 I was nervous about going to the airport in a way that was like hard to distinguish from just nervous about getting to the airport in a way that was like hard to distinguish from just nervous about getting to the airport. Is it gonna be crowded? Is it gonna be a line? Are we gonna make our flight? Kind of thing. Yeah. You had like an entire car ride to think about the specifics of this one social event. You know what made it a lot better was jack occasion is right there like greeting. Wow. And she is so nice and so funny. Yeah, that I was immediately like the tightness of my shoulders just kind of dropped
Starting point is 00:05:49 I was like, oh, that's right. This is Jackie Cation. Like this is awesome. It's gonna be okay. And Laurie I talked to Laurie after the show and I was like, is this the first one of these you've done? I can't believe it. And she's like, yeah, the first time I've hosted a comedy show at my home I can't believe it. And she's like, yeah, the first time I've hosted a comedy show at my home. And there were like what, 30 people there? Would you say some words about that? Yeah, that's all right.
Starting point is 00:06:11 And I was like, well, how many times have you had people over to your house before this? She's like, zero. This is the first time I've had strangers to my home is what she told me. Wow, talk about ripping off a bandage. Gee. My brains jumped out of my head and onto the ground.
Starting point is 00:06:27 Yeah, I think that after the vaccine, it took me a while to realize that I had the vaccine. And I feel like after that comedy show and after the weekend I had going to a wedding, there's like a paradigm shift in my brain. And it feels very liberating, but like, there was a moment where I was like eating food inside of a restaurant this weekend
Starting point is 00:06:50 where I was like, holy shit, what the hell am I doing? How did I get in here? Once again, you're further along than I am, or further along than I'm willing to go, but it's gonna take some steps. Yeah. But really, the steps that we've taken so far, the hangs that we've had together in our households
Starting point is 00:07:10 and the comedy show we went to last night, really like 10 out of 10 amounts of fun. It was so much fun to see live comedy again. Yeah. I think there was something also very infectious about the comics going up, because most of them had not performed live. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:07:27 Aside from Zoom shows, so this was them kind of coming back up onto a real stage for the first time. And they were so excited. I want to go to there, man. I was thinking the same thing. Like I'd only thought about doing live shows again speculatively, but to see people experience that euphoria of being back Yeah, really made it real for me and that could be us that could be us, but we plan
Starting point is 00:07:57 Yeah, man. That was that was big fun I'm glad we got to do it and like big thanks to Jackie and Laurie for putting that on. Two of just the funniest and the nicest. Yeah. If you like Stand Up comedy at all, I really recommend the Jackie and Laurie show. It's a comedian, interviews a comedian kind of podcast, except for it's the same two comedians every week. And it's really interesting to hear them talk about
Starting point is 00:08:21 like the evolution of their careers and the like evolution of jokes. I've got this joke coming together. And it was also really fun to see them perform live after being a listener for such a long time because you'll hear them riff something on the podcast. And then by the time you see them do something on stage, something you have heard them say as just an aside on the podcast is now material. And it's developed and super duper funny. something you have heard them say as just an aside on the podcast is now material.
Starting point is 00:08:45 And it's like developed and like super duper funny. So it's really cool. God, I used to see Jackie play Seattle all the time. Like every time she'd come through Seattle, my wife and I would go see her. And it really felt like on a deeper level to not only see live comedy again, but to see her do live comedy again. Yeah. On a deeper level, to not only see Life Comedy again, but to see her do Life Comedy again, yeah. Really felt like coming back to a thing
Starting point is 00:09:08 that I've loved for a long time. So that was really great. It's nice. Well, Ben, among our viewers favorite things about Greatest Gen, is the square we landed on at the end of the last episode. Oh, people love it. This is...
Starting point is 00:09:25 Most people's favorite kind of greatest gen episode is what we've got on tap today. And the tap is just blowing air right now. This is the rare episode where we rolled the nth degree. And then I was the one that remembered that we had an nth degree episode and reminded you. I was the one that remembered that we had an nth degree episode and reminded you. Yeah, man, this time we both remembered, and I can't wait to learn more about how this episode was made. It's the season premiere of Star Trek Voyager of the second season. Episode 1, it's called the 37th.
Starting point is 00:09:59 Reaver course. Unless you've got something a little bigger in your torpedo toots. I'm not turning around. And I'm just gonna kick us right off. Ben with our first bit of nth degree trivia. Kick it player. This was intended to be the final episode of season one. Really? There are a lot of things about this episode that make it feel like it should have been a double. Yeah, but then everyone decided that learning curve was a vastly superior episode in every way to end their first season with. And that's how things ended up shaking out.
Starting point is 00:10:35 Well, that's why they're professional TV people and we are merely podcasters at them. I know. So the Starship Voyager continuing its slow progress across the Delta Quadrant, crawling its way toward home, and it picked up rust in space. Rust is the first word in the episode. Rust. It's funny how on the screen it also looks rusty. Yeah. Like just so we're aware like through mention and visual.
Starting point is 00:11:11 It doesn't look good out there in space. No, space has really got some junkyard vibes around here. I love how later on we learn that the AM radio band two week for a federation starship to pick up. Yeah. And yet, rust dust from an old-timey truck, totally powerful enough for the sensors on Voyager to sniff. Yeah, this turns out to be a space truck.
Starting point is 00:11:38 Can you name the truck with full wheel drive? Smells like a steak and seats 35. Can you narrow? Can you narrow? Can you narrow? They get it up on screen and it is an old timey gelopy of a truck and Tom Parris knows from trucks. He's kind of a, he's kind of a petrol head to put it in the in the British parlance.
Starting point is 00:12:03 I actually read something very interesting though because they are starting to look at the possibility of doing HD remasters of Star Trek Deep Space Nine and Star Trek Voyager. And the producers have said that when they do the HD remaster of Voyager, they want to replace this truck digitally with Elon Musk's Tesla Roadster just to kind of ground the episode in reality a little bit more. I like that. I like that a lot.
Starting point is 00:12:30 It'll be complicated because they also have to change some dialogue, but Robbie McNeil says he's willing. They waive their scanners over this truck and they find behind the steering wheel, it's the Stig from Tapgear. Some say it's impossible for him to wear socks and he can open a beer bottle with his testies. Ha ha ha. The desiccated corpse of the Stig.
Starting point is 00:12:58 Wow. Yeah. RSVP the Stig. Ha ha ha ha. You never watched Tapgear, did you? Come on, of course I didn't. It's too much about cars. It's far too much about cars for me to watch Top Gear. It's almost all of what it's about, you know?
Starting point is 00:13:19 Yeah, it really is. It's too bad for them. I feel like I've heard people mention the stig though. That's famous enough for me to loosely. It's the sort of contextual humor that we've popularized on the greatest generation. That only works for some people. Yeah. They get this truck into the cargo bay.
Starting point is 00:13:38 They're scanning it. It's full of poop. There's coffee in that horse manure if I'm not mistaken. It's still got gas in the engine. The battery is still charged, which was probably the most implausible part of this. What is up with the ship picking up the rust, but not the poop? Yeah, they detect all the like organic chemicals in the gasoline,
Starting point is 00:14:02 but they don't detect the organic chemicals in the poop. Yeah, they sure doubt. Kim is watching as Paris gets himself behind the steering wheel and starts fiddling with the clutch and the choke and everything. And he turns on the car. There's a moment where the truck backfires and two vachas like whipping out the piece
Starting point is 00:14:24 and everybody's ducking behind cover. It's very fun, very funny moment. Yeah. I love the beginning of this episode because you just don't have any sense of where it's going and this is just like, it's kind of like reverse fish out of water stuff where they like find an artifact that is like, even in the past for us,
Starting point is 00:14:41 but like pretty familiar and they are like, what the hell is this thing? I love a wide shot of an anachronistic thing inside the shuttle bay. Yeah, absolutely. That's always cool in Star Trek. Yeah. Yeah. This kicks off an episode that continues in the holodeck where Paris and Tufac re-enact the film and Louise movie Inside this truck. Yeah, and it's really great. Yeah, so they they they turn on the radio in this truck and they actually pick up a an SOS like a Morse code SOS signal and they located on a planet nearby and They have to warp off to this planet. And it's a type L planet. For a long time, I thought it was a class L,
Starting point is 00:15:28 but once I started buying class M, I found that my clothes fit a lot better on me. Yeah. The thing that's confusing is that like planets from some brands are like, you know, like a class M from one brand might be a class L from another brand. And then you just have to try everything on.
Starting point is 00:15:48 Class L planets are known as barely habitable. Yeah. That feels like me. Yeah, it's a planet that they can't send a transporter through and they can't land with a shuttle and they decide what they're gonna do is land the entire starship. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:16:12 They put the ship on blue alert. That's the, I don't think I'd ever heard this before. I love that there's this moment where Chicoate tries to talk Janeway out of it. Mm-hmm. Janeway seems possessed by the idea of landing the ship, even though like as the thrumming strings of an intense start-track moment swell in the score and spark start flying at stations, this doesn't seem worth it.
Starting point is 00:16:41 There's something I really like about the way Janeway has written is that she is often a couple steps ahead of everyone else. And what she has worked through is that if there's an SOS signal coming from the planet, it might be humans, it almost certainly is humans. And if that's the case, they were brought here from Earth, and if they were brought here from Earth, whatever brought them might be available to get the voyage or crew home. And so she is like, we got to find out what this is because like, it's way too good a possibility.
Starting point is 00:17:15 The internal logic of the reason really holds together. They in fact do set the ship down. And one thing that, I think that was a little bit silly to me was they come down through these like super dark clouds and then they land and it's like bright Southern California Lake. Yeah. I'm excited about this adventure and I hope you are too. The energy cost of landing must be astronomical, right?
Starting point is 00:17:38 Like everybody has like cut replicator rations for like six months after they pull something like this. I like seeing the claw feet stand from the ship. That's cool. Yeah. I did read that when the original design was for there to be a fifth landing strat that comes out from kind of where the warp core is and it penetrates the planet to get some like geothermal energy to make up for some of what they spent in
Starting point is 00:18:05 landing. Oh, I like that a lot. Yeah, but it just looked like the ship had a huge dick and was fucking the planet. So they, standards and practices actually made them cut that part. Well, I mean, I think they could have done themselves a favor by designing the probe without like a mushroom head. Yeah, it didn't need balls, you know? a favor by designing the probe without a mushroom head. Yeah, it didn't need balls.
Starting point is 00:18:27 And for a piece of technology, more vascular than you would expect. You can find the images of it on the internet because the painter that did the pre-vis was proud of the work for a good reason, but it really does evoke that kind of like dragon's fucking cars subreddit more than anything else. Yeah. So after landing the ship, they pop out into some away teams. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:18:53 And half of the away team goes to find the source of the distress signal. And while they're down there, they find another sort of ping on the tricorder for a mystery power source. And that's the thing that Chicoet and a couple of randos go to investigate from here. Right. They find an airplane, a two-engine airplane is here in Runean Canyon with them. This is the source of the SOS. I don't know what percentage of our viewers would be like me. But whenever you see a lucky electric, you think of Amelia Earhart.
Starting point is 00:19:31 And so the surprise was totally destroyed for me at this point. Like I knew exactly where this episode was going. Yeah, I wondered about that because like the credits do set, like credit the actor who played Amelia Earhart as Amelia Earhart in like the opening on screen credits and yeah they shouldn't have done that that fucked it up for me like I don't I don't know from planes like I was like I wonder if this is the right kind of plane right so aboard this aircraft there's there's a little like backpack fusion generator plugged into the distress signal on the plane, and that's the reason that they were able to pick it up.
Starting point is 00:20:10 Yeah. The plane's battery did not as the trucks did, implausibly acid 400 years. So they get radio from Chicoetay, that the energy that they are going to investigate is actually coming from inside some Star Trek caves. So they're gonna go meet up with them and we get like an ominous pan up when they leave the airplane because there's an alien standing up on the bluff,
Starting point is 00:20:38 looking at them and for some reason, they just do not notice this guy is not hiding at all. No, not at all. I mean, is it suggested that the weird aluminum foil costume they wear could cloak their energy signature for some reason because it is bizarre that no one has picked these guys up? Yeah, it's weird.
Starting point is 00:20:58 If you were really constructing a dustbuster club, I think someone's job is always gonna be head in the tricorder, look out for approaching people. The Hudson from Alien's Guy. Look, I'm telling you, there's something moving in an A-N-O! Right. Especially on a strange planet like this. What are you doing, Tupac? Tupac, come on, man. Yeah, what is his job? I think he says confuse this anyone else's, really.
Starting point is 00:21:25 Yeah, yeah. The caves that they go to investigate are actually the bat caves. This is the second time we've seen these caves on Voyager. And something that didn't happen until this episode that I read about was they actually found some old relics from the 1960s Batman show in the caves while they were shooting this, which wound up being very useful because Adam West
Starting point is 00:21:50 was kind of hanging around the set, like trying to tell people, you know, old war stories from when he played Batman and they gave him these relics, it's kind of like a bribe. Like, hey, like, here's your batterangs, get out of here buddy. I haven't seen this crusty sock in 50 years. Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah!
Starting point is 00:22:10 Ah! They find inside the power generator, the source of the power signal that they have been looking for. And this setup looks just like the sort of place where you'd find data's butt. Yeah. I'd be checking for data parts here from jump. Yeah, or $5 carnival guitar guy. Like, there's a lot about this cave that feels very familiar.
Starting point is 00:22:36 The design of the cryo chambers and the rest felt very like rocketeer, art deco tech. Yeah. That's pretty neat looking. That's a great call. and the rest felt very like rocketeer art deco tech. Yeah, that's pretty neat looking. That's a great call. Yeah, like I really like the production design on this episode. It's like one of the things that made me wish this episode was a double is that production design.
Starting point is 00:22:59 Like I would have loved to see the world of this planet fleshed out even more because like what we do get to see is so cool. This looks like some kind of cryostasis chamber. This shot here they had to do as a pickup, because initially they just ran the scene without it, but legally, any television program that shows the chambers of cryostasis characters,
Starting point is 00:23:21 you required to do that wipe a hand over the frosty glass shot. Yeah. Like they actually had to ship production down in order to go back and pick that up again because they could have gotten a lot of trouble. Yeah, it's a guild rule. I'm like almost all of the production unions in LA abide by that. Like you can get ejected from the union, you lose your insurance, it's bad. We talked about before about how Amelia Earhart gets kind of, the moment gets kind of ruined earlier,
Starting point is 00:23:52 but also the moment is like really badly executed here. She's wiped the glass clear and is like, I'm trying to make it out. I think it's a period E A R H. She spells her entire last name out and it's like it could not be more clear. It's not it's not vajored at all. It's not like her name tag is dirty. It's not like we can't see it because the glass is so foggy. We can see it perfectly. We can read it faster than Janeway can. I was like, this scene just takes two goddamn long. You can't show the name airheart in the credits and then have it take this long. I know we've run into scenes like this before. When you've got 30 seconds to fill, you spell out the entire name, Ben. You gotta spell it out. We ran into this before in the last episode of season one.
Starting point is 00:24:46 If you've time to fill, you seize these moments. Yeah, yeah. Ben. The editors are desperate for stuff like this. How many bodies are there? Eight. I thought it was really cool that Janeway is psyched about the possibilities here. She's a fan.
Starting point is 00:25:06 Like, yeah. It's cool to see a Star Trek Captain fanboy or fan girl out. And we get it every so often with Picard and Cisco and now we're getting it with Janeway. Like this is a thing that she is really excited about. We go to a McLaughlin group. Is your walk.
Starting point is 00:25:22 Because if you're asking yourself, who's Amelia Earhart? You're probably not alone. Like, if you're watching Star Trek in the mid to late 90s, I mean, you're gonna want this scene. And so, in it, we learn all about Amelia Earhart. She was one of the first female pilots in Earth history. 59 confirmed kills, two silver stars, four bronze,
Starting point is 00:25:40 four purple hearts, distinguished service cross, the metal of honor. And the many theories about her disappearance and her possible death. And they even go over the theory that ended up being the truth, which is that Amelia Earhart actually kamikazeed her plane into Japanese warships, inspiring the strategy that was deployed
Starting point is 00:26:01 against the United States a couple of years later. So it really came back to bite us, Ben. Yeah, and that's the end of the episode. I feel like Paris is always the tri-hard during these meetings, and he's not afraid to get into the ball-kicking machine to offer up a proposal. At the end of this meeting, he's like, you know, we're running into a lot of trouble integrating our computer systems with these Art Deco computers. What if we just wake these people up
Starting point is 00:26:33 and ask them some questions? And that is a cracker Jack idea that they take them up on. You know, it's the shortest route between point A and point B. And so they get right on it. And one of the things that's really amazing about this episode is how fast it moves between idea and execution several times. And this was one of those times where like we are in the caves, like they're like clamping equipment onto these cryo chambers and casses down there.
Starting point is 00:27:02 They've like, they decided in the McLaughlin group, like, we can't have any aliens be around when we wake these people up. They apparently saw the episode of TNG where humans from Earth saw war for the first time. I laughed out loud when they revealed all the work they did to Kess later on, which basically just included a comb and a hair dryer. Yeah. I thought it was going to involve some loaf, because the look on Chico Te's face at the end of this group, when that idea is proposed, I don't know if you saw him. He does a take here that is hilarious.
Starting point is 00:27:36 He is definitely not over his own loaf experience from a couple of episodes ago. Yeah. I heard that when Jennifer Leane walked out of the hair and makeup trailer to go shoot these scenes There was a dad from New Jersey walking around the the studio lot and he said what is this beabas? You're doing great So down on the surface they decide Revive them all at once is the plan. We've got an episode of Star Trek to make, and we gotta keep things going. Yeah, I don't know if it's a cross-fade
Starting point is 00:28:09 or just a lighting effect, but that color coming back onto Amelia Earhart's skin. That was cool. It was really nicely done. I don't understand if you're the person coming up with cryogenics. Why the design of the system at large is that you want your people standing up. I understand like for storage you probably want to
Starting point is 00:28:31 stack them like cordwood. But when you see them thawed out the first thing I'm thinking they're gonna do is fall down. How do you not fall down? Why didn't they put some cushions out in front just in case? How real would that have been? That would have been great. Like, all of them just fall over. Deactivate locking mechanisms. Tom Paris notices that one of these frozen people, a Japanese soldier, has a pistol on his belt,
Starting point is 00:29:04 and so they disarm him. But they don't do a pat down on any of the other characters and they all start to kind of come to and they are not taking the news that of this very well. Like the immediate assumption all these people have is that they are being revived by the very people that abducted them and froze them. So they're pissed off at the Voyager crew. Who are you? What is going on here? This moment plays so much with expectations and tone.
Starting point is 00:29:35 Like Captain Janeway is so warm in her introduction to them. And the response from these people is great umbridge with their kid mapping. And it's part of what makes what happens next so surprising, like you're used to start fleet captain diplomacy, starting a little bit better than this. Yeah, it tends to.
Starting point is 00:29:58 Especially when we're talking about human to human contact, right? It tends to like fall on receptive years when speaking to humans specifically. Yeah, they don't pat down Fred, and you know Fred's got a gun under there. Yeah, this dude is pissed. I need your clothes, your boots, and your motorcycle.
Starting point is 00:30:17 I could not get with how fast the Starfleets pull out their dustbusters and then give them up. I know. What the fuck? Fred Nunean is played by David Graff of police academy fame and he's actually not the only police academy actor in the episode. Adam, did you read this that all of the sound effects in this episode were provided by Michael Winslow. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha I think it to me he is. If I were a fully artist on deadline, I would just phone him. Yeah, get him on the line.
Starting point is 00:31:10 Yeah, absolutely. This rapidly turns into a hostage situation. Like Chico Tay is the person on the phone outside of the hostage area and Janeway explains what is happening to them. But these people all imagine themselves to be on Earth in 1937, so they're demanding to speak with Jay Edgar Hoover and stuff. And Janeway is still trying to figure out how to explain like what really has happened. And the, let me actually tell you where you are and what's going
Starting point is 00:31:46 on. Speech is very funny. It's like very, very, very hard to sell that to these people. Yeah, there's like a strange naivete about the truth moving the needle here. And that it's unable to be proven at this point down in the cave. How many pieces of information would you need to believe Janeway's story if you were Amelia Earhart in this scene? I try to put myself in like, I just woke up. I'm super chilly because I was in, I was frozen. I mean, I'm in a room. I can't see, there's no windows.
Starting point is 00:32:23 Everything looks like technology and the future. I feel like I'm primed to like, take here some woppers in a content project. My problem is I want it too bad. Like, like if I died in this life, and I woke up in a cryo chamber, I was in a Starfleet uniform
Starting point is 00:32:43 in front of you explaining the future, you'd be like, yes, I know it! There's probably a system for making a person acclimate to their new situation. Like, I would do that extremely fast. Yeah, they try to prove it by showing them Kess's ears. And they're like, yeah, that's probably just like, scarification or something. It doesn't move the needle and they're like,
Starting point is 00:33:06 well, what about her shirt? Here comes the cider man. They're like, sorry, that hasn't been invented yet for us. What if I told you that Cass was three years old? What the fuck? Whoa. Oh. You mean Nielix and her dating?
Starting point is 00:33:23 Oh. What the hell is wrong with him? The second he found out he should have backed off. He should have done the right thing. Fred Newton is like, actually in my time, that probably would have flown. Coffee, black, make it yourself. I'm trying to help you see this as an opportunity to grow.
Starting point is 00:33:41 Make it yourself. So they actually send two Valk out with all security personnel, which winds up being like four guys. Yeah, I think you want to leave someone back on the ship, right? Yeah. Especially knowing that there are some people skulking around this planet.
Starting point is 00:33:56 Seriously, I was shocked A by how small the security team was and B by the fact that they didn't leave anyone to mind the store. I got a question. I don't think it's too big of a spoiler if you give me the real answer. Is there a 727 style ramp out the back of the Voyager that people walk down to get to the service? Or are they having, even after landing, they still have to beam their way out? I think that they were saying that they couldn't use the
Starting point is 00:34:25 transporter because of the interference in the atmosphere, but I wanted to see that so bad. So they had to have walked, right? Yeah, we're like an elevator and one of the struts or something. I don't know. Maybe it's the penis you were talking about earlier. Like it was the penis elevator.
Starting point is 00:34:42 It was built into the crank. And that's why it's not depicted is that they couldn't figure out a different thing to do. I think one of the cool aspects of the Voyager is that there's an elevator operator on board whose only job is to hit the buttons for you. No, no, Mr. Tvok, floor please. I would like to go to the surface. I'm realizing now that, you know, though that that previsualization artwork is out there on the internet, I'm guessing somebody is also going to draw it themselves and post it to the greatest gen subreddit. I don't want to see it if it hasn't been blurred out. I just want to see the pixelated offensive bits.
Starting point is 00:35:29 Yeah, tell it out so we can share it on the internet. Let's have some tasteful penis fan art, okay? Tasteful ship nudes are what greatest gen is all about. Janeway feels like she may have an angle with Amelia Earhart. The ship is the truth. Like you could tell her all the things you want about what the future's like, but there's a ship out there outside the cave.
Starting point is 00:35:55 And if she can just get these people top side, that's all the proving she needs to do. Yeah, Nunean is not buying this. He is her navigator. He is, he is her navigator. He is a kind of trying to defend Amelia Earhart as being like an extremely famous person and be just an agitated drunk like he, he doesn't like that he's in a situation he doesn't understand
Starting point is 00:36:20 and he keeps drinking and they start to notice this, like oh, this guy, this guy's hitting the flask pretty pretty frequently and so the Janeway wants to kind of get Amelia Earhart by herself so she can be like like woman to woman this dude is no good and I want to like show you my spaceship to prove the case to you. I thought Sharon Lawrence's performance was really interesting here like Amelia Earhart is never completely closed off to the idea. She's as pissed as anyone else about her circumstances,
Starting point is 00:36:50 but she is not clamped down on it being an insane idea that there are thousands of years in the future. Yeah. Well, also Janeway has some information about Amelia Earhart that's supposed to be a secret, that she was actually on like a secret spy mission to gather and tell about what the Japanese were up to in 1937, which I didn't know. I don't know if that's true or not. That's one thing I meant to do a little bit more research on today that I didn't have time for, because I was coming up with all these other very interesting facts.
Starting point is 00:37:21 Really makes you think. What if we actually had done the research at him? It would give us a lot to talk about. I mean it also makes you think like if that's actually what Amelia Earhart was really doing in 1937, would she have like come up with information that might have changed the way the US was behaving in the late 30s and early 40s. Like, do we think that like, she would have come up with intel that would have like prevented Pearl Harbor or something? And-
Starting point is 00:37:52 I don't know. If you prevent Pearl Harbor, is that like a net good or a net evil? Those questions and more were asked and answered in the hit movie, The Final Countdown. Yeah, that was great. One of my favorites. Really answers all the questions it poses.
Starting point is 00:38:07 That's one of the main things about that movie. This is a five bathroom film. What? So let's go up to the surface. Yeah, they say and on the surface, they're picking up these alien life signs that we saw a little bit earlier. Amelia Earhart gets the gun away from Fred and then when they come out onto the surface,
Starting point is 00:38:30 it becomes clear that they've rearmed the Voyager crew also and I'm like, oh what? Yeah. I thought we were going to see if this held any water, not like, okay, we trust you now, here are your dustbusters back. They are in a terrible position for a firefight. Their enemies have the higher ground.
Starting point is 00:38:51 They're hiding behind boulders that move when they're shot at. Yeah, hollow, hollow TV boulders that... Yeah, find a thicker boulder to go today. Do you think if you're set dressing here and you're moving around the boulders that, you know, like there's those straps for moving furniture, right? Furniture or appliances that you like,
Starting point is 00:39:16 you buddy system, like you put them over your shoulder and you're moving the appliances around, do you think? Do you think that when you're in the industry that there's such a thing as an over-the-shoulder boulder holder? Yeah, I think that's pro. That was worth the setup also. Just good onset jargon that people now know
Starting point is 00:39:38 because they listen to this episode. A setup a thousand times more complicated than it's pay off. Like, I could have just said the punchline and you would have filled in all the blanks. You're a smart person. I like the phrase over the shoulder-boulder holder a lot. You don't need to justify saying it to me. I'm happy to hear it. Fred fucking goes out like a chump. Because Earhart kept in Janeway
Starting point is 00:40:09 and he emerged from the cave and he very like she has risen kind of. Kind of blocking. And then Fred just takes one to the chest. It is great. I feel great at this moment. I wanted to see Fred shot and I got it. Yeah, he got it. He got it good.
Starting point is 00:40:27 Janeway kind of flanks these people that are shooting at them. She hits one of them, the others turn around, and they're in kind of a headgear that obscures their faces. And also it would be really hard to see out of. Like they have no peripheral vision in these in these masks which makes them seem like bad thing to wear into combat. I couldn't get a read off of whether or not it was like that sort of mesh that that you see Disneyland characters wear like so that the person inside can see out of? You think the whole middle strip is that mesh.
Starting point is 00:41:05 I hypothesize that, but it looks totally opaque. Yeah. Anyways, we meet John Evansville and Karen Berlin. They're very surprised to discover that they've not been in a firefight with Brewery, but in fact, in a firefight with humans. And they thought that they were defending their planet. I felt a way in this scene because I'm just not used to new characters introducing themselves,
Starting point is 00:41:29 first name, last name, like this. John Evansville. This is my colleague, Karen Berlin. The 37's were brought here over 15 generations ago, and now there are over 100,000 of us. Yeah. I was like, wow. Nice to meet you, John Evansville and Karen Berlin. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:41:52 Although I did like that this episode had a scene about a Karen taking her mask off at a weird moment. Oh, yeah. Thanks for pimping me into a sound that I don't want to play. I also like that they introduce themselves. Like, I'm John Evansville, this is Karen Berlin, that guy is dead, so we won't bother introducing him. I mean, this scene plays as fast as any other because Captain Jane weighs like... Trousse! Car! Captain Janeways like, truce, car. Hey, can we heal ourselves, like take a little break and run some six bay magic on our
Starting point is 00:42:33 people before we keep fighting? And John and Karen, super game for this plan, so open six bay, the dock is having to put and unfortunately still alive Fred back together and boy, Fred goals here because like they have to divert energy from the ship to compensate for the alcohol in Fred's body. Yeah Fred didn't have his broad before they got in the firefight and- People are pissed about having to give up their rations
Starting point is 00:43:05 to put Fred back together because he's a drunk. Yeah, he's so besotted that the light that the doctor is waving over him does not work. It would have been fun if after being healed Fred looks up at the dock like I have literally never felt this good in my life. Because wouldn't the past person think that they get in a 24th century six bay bed, they have the dome close over them? Every part of their body, every cell in their body is suddenly obscure and clean and energized as it's ever been. How could you not blast in that moment?
Starting point is 00:43:46 Yeah, I'm sure he did. It's just covered by the dome. Yeah, he hit the arch. It's also just a funny scene because he's like it's the tearful confession of love on the deathbed moment where he's like telling him the early iron heart like you were married back in the 30s, but I love you. He's looking at her. He decides he wants to live. And then like the doctor is like, all right, all done.
Starting point is 00:44:13 And he has to take it back. He's not. He doesn't understand this. He takes it back because he's gonna live. Because he's a fucking coward. Come on Fred, share your feelings. What? A greatest gen live show is something you don't want to miss.
Starting point is 00:44:28 Why? Well, it's a great opportunity to see me and Ben in person, but that's not all. FODs from all over gather at these shows to cosplay, to do pre- and post-show hangs, to make friends, and share their embarrassment. Hey, let's make a pretty great name for a tour. Let's do it. The Share Your Embarrassment Tour is coming in August 2023. We've got a bunch of dates in a lot of great places.
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Starting point is 00:45:30 Look, your podcast apps are already open, just pull it out, give Jordan Jesse Goatry. Being smart is hard, be dumb instead. Whoa, raps, hey, hey, oh, I've gotta count you in line. These clouds are really freaking me out. I hate having to stand in line and boy, what do I? These giraffes do not smell good. No, they do not, and they've such short neck.
Starting point is 00:45:52 But I'm hearing we need to get on this off. We've got to get on the art. It is about terrain, got us about to destroy humanity. Hey, oh, sorry, sorry, sorry. Are you Noah? Yeah, I know we look like humans. We're actually, we're podcasters.
Starting point is 00:46:03 We are podcasters, so it's different. Have you heard of Ono Ross and Carrie? We investigate spirituality, claims of the paranormal, stuff like that. And you have a boat and say the world's gonna end, so seem like something for us to check out. We would love to be on the boats. We came to by two.
Starting point is 00:46:17 What do you think? Ono Ross and Carrie, available on MaximumFun.org. ["Luck and the Meglothlin' Group"] ["Luck and the Meglothlin' Group"] ["Luck and the Meglothlin' Group"] ["Luck and the Meglothlin' Group"] ["Luck and the Meglothlin' Group"] So in the Meglothlin' Group, they meet up with John Evansville and Karen Berlin and get the intel on what's going on here. We come to understand that the people
Starting point is 00:46:45 that they thought out were entombed in a shrine, a shrine to the 37s is what they're called. Right. Because an alien species called the Biori, they put a strip on the planet Earth, allowed it to remain there for between 10 and 15 minutes and then pulled gently. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:47:07 And what happened is they pulled a number of human beings off of the planet in 1937. Kind of a surprising number actually. I know. They actually showed the humans to other alien races like you're not going to believe this. It's actually a little disgusting. Yeah. And the other aliens were like, Jesus, it looks like a carpet sample. What the fuck?
Starting point is 00:47:28 We get so much backstory here. Yeah. He's like, yeah, like we're actually descendants from them. And the 37's were brought here to be a slave race. And then there was a slave uprising, and we destroyed the Biori and their ship. Yeah. And, hey, check it out.
Starting point is 00:47:46 I don't know why you didn't notice on your flyover. We've got cities here. Yeah. I'd love to show you them. Their sensors were not able to penetrate the atmosphere, I guess, but, uh, but yeah, look at a window, Janeway. John Evansville gets over the total destruction of his world to you so quickly. Because what he's explaining is like the 37's that were frozen and the airplane with the signal
Starting point is 00:48:10 are like the center of their religious cosmology and Janeways like sorry, we revived them. They're here on the ship with us and he's like, oh, okay Well anyways, do you want to come check out our house? I like, oh, okay, well anyways, do you want to come check out our house? I was having brunch at the Breory celebrity center two hours ago. You mean to tell me that I've been living lie. Yeah. It's amazing. You're so right about that.
Starting point is 00:48:44 John Evansville, he has an elasticity to his world view that I've been living lie? Yeah, yeah. It's amazing. You're so right about that. John Evansville, he has an elasticity to his world view that I think is very commendable, especially for a religious person. And it's definitely the context that this is put in, right? Yeah, there is an alternate ending in one version of this script, because the news that the Brewery ship was destroyed in this slave uprising,
Starting point is 00:49:06 it's not addressed directly in the scene, but you see it on the faces of Chico Tain, Janeway. That was the thing that we came down here looking for. This ship can get across the galaxy quickly and it's been totally destroyed. You know whose face we don't see that cross is Jack Hayes, a character we haven't talked about up until now, the black farmer character. Right. And I think what's interesting is that the racial makeup of the unfrozen are totally uncommented on really.
Starting point is 00:49:36 There's a Japanese soldier in the group. South Asian woman in a sorry in the group. Most of them don't have speaking roles. That's true. But there was an alternate ending of this story in one version of the script where after the Voyager leaves the camera kind of like pans from the cave over and the Brioche ship is like right there.
Starting point is 00:49:58 And they just didn't notice it because they weren't looking around that carefully in this episode. It was like almost exactly like at the beginning when John Evansville is standing up on the bluff and they just don't see him there. They cut out an entire act was actually about the conflict between Chico Te and the Native American
Starting point is 00:50:15 character that they unfroze because the person that they unfroze had a lot of thoughts about Chico Te's belief system and how unfamiliar they were in any way. I actually heard that they hired a guy to consult on what people from the thirties were like. And he claimed to have lived through the thirties and could tell them practically what it was, but he was born in 1975 and he had no idea
Starting point is 00:50:43 what he was talking about. What happens here? I forgive it. I really do, Ben. But John Evansville is like, look upon my cities and get excited. And we elliptically cut to after the tour of the cities. Yeah. Yeah. We aren't even gonna get a mat for this. Show me a mat. You have 10,000 mats in the library of Star Trek. You can't just do a mat montage. Give us a mat montage. Give us something.
Starting point is 00:51:18 I mean, the story of this episode is so unconventional for a Star Trek app. And I like how unconventional it is because it's the aftermath and Janeway is processing like, oh my god, these cities are actually dope, this is a cool place to live, and they have offered to let the crew stay here. And then the last, I don't know, 10 or so minutes of the episode are about this dilemma of like what if a lot of the crew just want to stay and don't want to go back to the a quad. And I like, I think that the like that dilemma would have felt so much more heightened if we'd seen the cities, if it's if they seemed like a great place to hang, you know. Without knowing how this episode was going to conclude,
Starting point is 00:52:07 I really felt an attraction to the idea of this being a feeling to return to over and over again. That question being at what point do you get off the ship versus risking it and keeping going? Like I don't want this to be the last time. Like, and this shouldn't be. Like every cool planet they stop off at should have a moment of truth.
Starting point is 00:52:29 And this is a similar question to the one I asked you earlier about how much would it take for you to believe if you're in Emilia Earhart's position. Like, how good of a planet would it take for you to be like, you know, incredibly homesick, and there's a ton about being there that I miss. There's a chance I might not make it home and maybe this is where, this is where I fold, you know?
Starting point is 00:52:52 It's very interesting to me that the captain is never wavering on that. Like she does not, she does not. She's got Tom Mervins at home. Yeah. I think John Evansville is a pretty good plan, be though. Yeah, she turns to Chicoate and she's like golden retrievers only live 10 to 12 years.
Starting point is 00:53:15 If I'm going to see that dog again. It's going to be a clown, ever clown, ever clown. It's left me a little disturbed. The other thing that they cut elliptically over is the announcement, because she is hanging out in her ready room and talking this over with Chicota, and she's like, maybe I should just make this decision for the crew, but I don't feel like I can.
Starting point is 00:53:39 And she says, I'm gonna tell them what the deal is, and then they can decide for themselves. We hear the boason's call and it's like, this is your captain. If you're choosing to remain behind, meet in the cargo bay to exchange your combat for a batlet sword. And we will send you on your way. Yeah, I wanted to hear what the pitch was. How did she put it? Like, did she try and talk them out of it in announcing it? Isn't that great character development to know which tack she took in her announcement?
Starting point is 00:54:19 Yeah, I agree. She's chickened out in not showing that. Agreed. I really missed that in the episode. Yeah. Kim and BLT are the two that get sort of shown talking about the idea of staying on the planet. And they both are very drawn to it.
Starting point is 00:54:35 Yeah, this is a scene inside Nielix's restaurant, which is the location reason for wanting to stay on the planet. Like, it's actually a deterrent for remaining on the voyage. Yeah, every bite they take, they're more and more on the side. Like, it's actually a deterrent for remaining on the voyage. Yeah, every bite they take, they're more and more on the side of like, maybe we should actually get the fuck off of this ship. I know.
Starting point is 00:54:53 So John Evansville, what are the restaurant options are we talking about just like fast casual chains or anything with a tablecloth? In the kind of oral history of the production of this episode, a lot of people that were in the writers room talk about the fact that they did want to show the cities originally. They wanted to cut to the matte painting and then cut to the city street and show what it was like. But they decided not to actually, not for budgetary reasons,
Starting point is 00:55:23 but it would undercut the believability of the story. No one would believe that the crew would stay eating Nielix's food if you got to see how great these cities actually were. It's really true, they did the only thing they could. I wish we knew how long they've been out here already. I think that would really give a greater sense of gravity to the choice that everyone has to make.
Starting point is 00:55:44 If this is... Yeah, is this the beginning of year two of their voyage? We have no way of knowing at this point, and I wish we had, like, if for some reason this is year three or four, and we've just been skipping along these episodes in this way, Yeah. Yeah, I think you can understand more or less a person's decision to stay here to go. Yeah, we do get the the kind of final moment between Janeway and Earhart outside in the in the shadow of the ship where Earhart explains that they're
Starting point is 00:56:18 she and the other unfrozen caveman 37s are going to stay here on this planet and and caveman 37s are going to stay here on this planet and live with their descendants and not go with the Voyager crew, which I understand this from a writing standpoint and from a story standpoint, but I was like, how fucking cool would it be
Starting point is 00:56:37 if they wrote Amelia Earhart onto this show in this moment? Yeah, I would like that too. God, and like the fucking Japanese soldier guy, like that would be so cool if like, he was like training to be a security guy under two fuckers. I mean, like, Fred has a really great question in the scene,
Starting point is 00:56:53 which is like, are we allowed to fuck any of these people? Ha, ha, ha, ha. Yeah. That question goes unanswered. That's something that Kim was definitely processing also. Like there are tens of thousands of new sexual opportunities on this planet. Like he would never say it out loud,
Starting point is 00:57:10 but you can tell he's kind of working through the implications of that. Like Star Trek itself is to us an inexhaustible resource for Harry Kim on this new planet. The reveal here is really nicely done. We get a walk with Captain Janeway and to co-tae down a corridor where they're feeling some real nerves about what
Starting point is 00:57:30 they're gonna see behind the door of the cargo bay. Is it gonna be a nice orderly line exchanging combat just for batlets or or not? Yeah and it's a it's a math problem too right? Like they have 150 something people on board and they're kind of Right above the minimum they need to even operate the ship. Could you imagine being the guy that's like the the 51st person who wants to leave and they're like actually We're gonna need you to stay Fred Planets full I'm gonna need you to stay, Fred. Planets full. But no, I mean, there's that moment.
Starting point is 00:58:06 Like, I felt like for a second that Captain Janeway was wondering whether or not Chicoete would step through and like, stand on the other side of the line, but that's not the case. Cause when the door opens, there's no one inside. Because they've already left, Ben. Yeah. Half the crew is gone and they took the truck with them.
Starting point is 00:58:40 And we cut down to the planet's surface and Jack is like flooring it through these city streets, ignoring every traffic law that there is on this new planet. Kim is up in the bed of the truck going, woo! Yeah, it's big fun. Yeah, that empty room is very reassuring. Like this is the moment when Janeway comes back on the bridge and makes that kind of reassured eye contact with all of her crew that I wanted at the end of season one.
Starting point is 00:59:05 Like I needed a moment like this. And it's a great moment. And it's also just cool as hell because the ship moving out is taking off the surface of the planet. Like it's something we've never seen before. It's so neat. I think Binging on Netflix retroactively fixes that problem
Starting point is 00:59:24 that seeing it in real time created. Like, you don't really feel the mistake of episode and season order when you watch it the way we're watching it. Totally. So it's effective. And so when the voyage you take off and irradiates the 37's that are that are on the clip watching them leave. You really feel some things. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I have to admit, I was really sad
Starting point is 00:59:52 to see Amelia Earhart vaporized in the heat of the warb engines, but it felt like it's better than nothing, right? Like, just not knowing what happened to Amelia Earhart. Also, Voyager? Like, retract the dick when you're, when you're taken off. Like, don't just let that thing dangle. Yeah, I think flopping around in the atmosphere is they take off. Yeah, it's gross. nasty. Well, did you like this episode, Adam?
Starting point is 01:00:19 You know, I'm really easy to get along with most of the time, but I don't like voting, I don't like friends, But I don't like bullet, I don't like friends, and I don't like you. I love this too. I did like the episode. It was, you know what? Like absurd has a connotation, right? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:00:34 Yeah. But I'm calling it absurd without that connotation. Like this is a crazy story. I was thinking for the longest time about how weird it was that this was a season premiere episode because as I remembered it, $5 Carnival Guitar was like a weird story told halfway through a season. That's what this felt like to me and that's what made it feel so weird as a premiere. But $5 Carnival Guitar was the season finale of the first season of TNG.
Starting point is 01:01:06 And now I don't know what to think anymore. It's like Mandela effect. I thought for sure $5 Carnival Guitar was like one of the many anonymous TNG episodes that were just slotted into the sequence of this series story. But no, and now I still maintain that this was unsuited for a premiere. I still think I would have kicked it to episode three or four in the season, but I mean, I did like the episode.
Starting point is 01:01:35 Yeah, making it the end of season one in retrospect does make it seem like just a knockoff of TNG in a weird way. Like it's a pretty different story, but like that inciting incident feels so similar. Like down to them finding the satellite in space and thinking about it as a relic, the same way that the truck is treated at the beginning of this one. So yeah, something very interesting happened there. And if only some real researchers had worked on this episode with us. Every Starfleet ship should have a scan frequency for old-timey shit. It shouldn't be an accident that they run across NASA platforms and old-timey trucks. If Carl's hole is out there, you just got to predict that some of this stuff is going to happen.
Starting point is 01:02:24 It's true. Yeah, I like the episode a lot as well. I mean, it's one of those ones where it feels so breathless and I wanted to spend more time thinking about some of the things, especially the last like seven minutes being like, is the crew going to break up here? Is this the end of the mission stuff? Like, if that had impregnated the entire episode or more of the episode, if they'd split it up and that, like, was kind of more of the tension in episode two of a two-part arc, or if it had been like
Starting point is 01:02:55 an end of season one, and it planted that, and then we resolve all that in, you know, season two episode one or something like that. But yeah, I mean, overall, I like the episode a lot. And it's a case of an episode that left me wanting more, which is what you're looking for, I think. It seems like this is a show at this moment in time that does not know where its actual tension lies. Yeah. Because this is two episodes in a row that have chosen the path of least tension. I hope someday soon that this show finds that
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Starting point is 01:03:57 Then our first priority one message is of a promotional nature. It is for a podcast called We Can't Call It The Enterprise. The message goes like this, We Can't Call It The Enterprise is a podcast about Stargate, which spends a suspicious amount of time talking about Star Trek. The hosts, Valerie and Scott moved apart, then decided to make this dumb show inspired by Greatest Gen. Wow. A watching episode of S-G1, drink a blue drink of nostalgia, then crack wise. Come laugh about melodramatic bad guys,
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Starting point is 01:05:03 That's great. It's also another show that has been inspired by Greatest Gen. I love reading this. A couple of pals getting together and they're talking about something that they love. They listen to our show and they're like, we could do that. Yeah. I could do a little bit of research. Check that show out. Adam, our next priority one message is of a personal nature and it's from Mutant and it's to... ANYBODY! But especially Ben and Adam.
Starting point is 01:05:32 How was a great anybody? Goes like this. Star date for 2069. Keep listening to two guys talk about some sort of star trek constantly being interrupted by Buffalo Bill at her advertising sex dolls, angry French collaborators, Peter Griffin house renovation, what the fuck but I love it! Started at episode one halfway through Deep Space 9 and can't stop listening. Hope this P1 keeps you guys out of the pocket of Big Rod forever. That's how we get you, you think it's gonna be dumb and it remains dumb.
Starting point is 01:06:06 And keep waiting for that to stop. Yeah, never get stuck. Keep listening. Can't stop won't stop. Uh, yeah, P1s are a great way to keep us out of the pocket, not that the pocket has any interest, but, uh, no, yeah. We ain't going in there.
Starting point is 01:06:21 Our final priority one message is from Vedic Joe and it is to Vedic Brian and Vedic Matt. The message goes like this, sorry guys, can we delay our monthly strategy session for proposing ourselves as TGG's Chaplin corpse? Matt, you haven't been a viewer from the beginning like Brian and I, but you'll find that Ben and Adam are the most thoughtful and open-hearted hosts. This side of the Delta Quadrant, hopefully, will find a way to thank them appropriately someday. Wow, this was a very nice thank.
Starting point is 01:06:53 No kidding. Could you have a chaplain of the Bajoran religion if you were in an armed service? I don't know. I don't know how that works, but I hope you could. And I'm glad Vedic Joe Vedic Brian and Vedic Manor out there Providing some council to people. Yeah, just wearing some very comfortable brown clothes
Starting point is 01:07:13 At any and all occasions. Yeah Getting told to take their sacramental earrings off by Starfleet because Starfleet has a weird problem with people expressing their religious belief Yeah, keep an eye on your orbs, Joe, Matt, and Brian. Well, if you'd like to get a priority one message, we would sure appreciate it. Head to MaximumFun.org slash JemboTron. It's a hundred bucks for a personal message and a hundred for a commercial message, and we really appreciate it. I already won, Nessie.
Starting point is 01:07:47 Hey, Adam. What's that been? Did you find yourself a drunk Shimoda? Incredible. Drunk Shimoda! It's easy and cheap, but sometimes that's who the drunk Shimoda is. It's Fred.
Starting point is 01:08:00 It's Fred Noonan. He's drinking on screen. He's fucking up left and right. Like, he has a liability to Amelia Earhart at every turn. Yeah. He professes his love and then retracts it for some reason. And he gets shot in the chest. There's your drunk Shimoda.
Starting point is 01:08:19 Yeah. Absolutely. You called it, buddy. I'm just sad he didn't die. I'm sad he didn't die, too. I'm sad that Chicoeté wasn't the one crew member who was like, well, I guess this is my stop, Captain. Thanks for walking out of the cargo bay with me,
Starting point is 01:08:36 but only if he had done that would he have risen to being the drunk Shimoto of the episode. That would have been just an amazing curve ball. It would have been amazing. But yeah, David Graf is also just such a fun actor to watch like he is, I like I'm not really a police academy person, like I never really watched those movies growing up,
Starting point is 01:08:55 but I see him come out of that cryo chamber and I'm like the guy from police academy, yay! You know what's fun is to see David Graff do like 10 out of 10 broad in police academy and then see a actor bring a nuanced broad performance to this, which is like he's taken like 10 miles an hour off of the comedy fastball and like be in a crafty picture about it, you know? I like that. Objection noted, we'll do this without you.
Starting point is 01:09:25 I do it. I do it. I do it. I do it. Well, Adam, we gotta come up with what we are doing next on this podcast. I believe, is it your spin or mine on the game of Buttholes? I got us here, Ben. Oh, so I guess I have to spin it as well. Yeah. Well, next episode, a season two episode to initiations. Chicoete faces an unlikely enemy, a Kazan boy,
Starting point is 01:09:55 who hopes to achieve warrior status by killing him. Chicoete's life is on the line, and that's something that I'm sure is very exciting to you, Adam. I wonder if a Kazan child is born with Kazan pine cone hair. Probably a very painful natural birth if so. That really smarts on the way out. Well, Adam, of course we are on Squarespace 78 after hitting one of those caretaker squares here on the game of
Starting point is 01:10:25 buttholes. Hey, well, go ahead and roll this bone and see how we will be performing our next episode. You're required to learn as you play. Roll. It would just be poetic if we went from extensive research to no notes. Oh, yeah, cotton and nebula is the only thing we could hit that would change the game. Here I go.
Starting point is 01:10:50 I rolled a one. Tula! Did I win? Harvey! So we're on square 79 at cotton and nebula still threatening us, but it's a regular old episode next week. Hey good. I like those.
Starting point is 01:11:04 You too. You know, we always turn an nth degree episode into a regular old episode next week. Hey, good. I like those. You too. We always turn an nth degree episode into a regular old episode somehow. We find a way. Greatest Jen finds a way. Sure does. Thanks to everyone who listened and thanks to everyone who recommends the show
Starting point is 01:11:21 to a friend, family member, co-worker. I guess be careful if you recommend it to a co-worker. It does violate most companies' HR policies to recommend the show. Right. Just remember that HR looks out for the company and not for you in saying all that. Gotta thank a couple of people.
Starting point is 01:11:38 First and foremost, let's thank Adam Regusia, the goose. Janeway Song, the theme song of the greatest generation, Colin Voyager, and a lot of the other original music on the show. Of course, riffing off of the Picard Song by Gart's Materia, our original theme song. You're here on that right now. Adam Magusia, got a YouTube channel. Go check it out.
Starting point is 01:11:59 Adam Magusia on YouTube, he's going to teach you how to cook. Whether you like it or not, he'll teach you how to cook. Ha ha ha ha ha. Gotta thank Bill Tilly, our social media manager. Part of the fun of being a friend of Disoto online is meeting other friends of Disoto through the many conduits available to you. There's DrunkShemoto.com, the Discord.
Starting point is 01:12:22 There's Twitter using the hashtag greatest gen. That's how we met Bill Tilly. Basically, we were Twitter friends. He's Bill Tilly 1973. He runs our at greatest trek, Twitter and Instagram accounts. And he is always posting really great and funny things there. Check us out every Friday on Twitch for TGITGG. It's the bigger love of the FOD's.
Starting point is 01:12:51 Keeping that going. And we're having a ton of fun doing it. It's a great hang every Friday. It usually starts around 4pm Pacific time. I think it's worth checking out. I think so too. And it's one of those things that only exists for the time that it does.
Starting point is 01:13:08 Like if you're available, you show up, and it's there, and it's a fun surprise, and then it's gone. Well, if that just about does it, so we are going to leave you here, coming back next week for another great episode of Star Trek Voyager and an episode of the greatest generation Voyager in which either Adam or I will become a man
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