The Greatest Generation - Tax Document Bindle (VOY S3E25)

Episode Date: May 16, 2022

When BLT goes rummaging in the Voyager’s main computer, what she finds is so scandalous it could reset Mayquees/Starfleet relations to Season 1. But when everyone starts getting in on the game, the ...boss enemy becomes something truly dangerous. Are those deeper Vs than normal? What would Dr. Freud have to say about having a Mexican Standoff with one’s self? Is it possible to get a holographic woman pregnant? It’s the episode that’s dopey and not zippety-doo-dah. Support the production of The Greatest Generation. Friends of DeSoto for Democracy.Friends of DeSoto for Justice.Follow The Game of Buttholes: The Will of the Caretaker!Music by Adam Ragusea & Dark MateriaFollow The Greatest Generation on Twitter, and discuss the show using the hashtag #GreatestGen!The Greatest Generation is now regularly streaming on Twitch.Facebook group | Subreddit | Discord | WikiSign up for our mailing list!

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Priority 1 message from Starfleet coming in on Secured Channel. Hey friends of Disodo. Before today's episode, we just wanted to take a moment to talk about the historic labor actions being taken by writers and actors in the American Film and Television industry. If you're a fan of the work done by the people who make Star Trek, we hope you'll join us in standing in solidarity with the folks who actually bring these adventures to life. Over the past several years, the AMPTP, the organization that represents the American Film and Television Production Studios, have reduced the profit from movies and TV going to workers. And in so doing,
Starting point is 00:00:35 they've attempted to weaken the labor unions that represent those workers. They wouldn't even engage the unions on many issues in their negotiations. And so a strike was the only course of action to take. Adam, Wendy and I have been having a lot of internal discussions about how best to stand with the unions and we are continuing those conversations in a dynamic situation. We're doing our best to understand where the picket lines are in these digital spaces,
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Starting point is 00:01:55 and season two of Star Trek Picard. We've set up a page where you can also contribute. It's at friendsofdecotoforlabor.com. That's friendsofdececoto for Labor.com. That's FriendsOfDecoto for Labor.com. Link in the episode description. Okay, now let's get on with the show. Here's to the finest crew in Starfleet. Engage! Bringengwise the U.S.S. Forty-Durkour Captain Captain Bringengwise the U.S.S. Forty-Durkour Captain Welcome to the greatest generation. It's a Star Trek podcast by a couple of guys. Just a little bit embarrassed about having a Star Trek podcast. I'm Adam Pranika.
Starting point is 00:02:35 I'm Ben Harrison. How you doing, Adam? I'm congested, but luckily I've taken enough decongestance. Like, I basically took a key party amount of de-congestance. You just sort of reached into a fish bowl and grabbed a bunch. Yeah, it's one of those shows for me. Fuh. Getting, I've got my yearly head cold. Are you zippity-dooda de-congestant guy or are you sleepy-time de-congestant guy?
Starting point is 00:03:00 I don't know what you mean by that. I think I know what you mean. Because like some de-congestants, like kind of, like I have, I'm on a daily anti-anxiety pill, but I also have a prescription for a as-needed anti-anxiety pill, if I'm like, which one of those is the zippity-duda anti-anxiety pill and which one is the sleepy time anxiety pill? Well, here's the thing, the one that is as needed. Like if I need to supplement because I'm having a really hard day or whatever,
Starting point is 00:03:30 that pill is just a decongestant, I think that is like the kind that is, makes a- It's like a benedrial. It makes your drowsy, right? Yeah. Wow. You don't need a prescription for that.
Starting point is 00:03:43 Yeah, I don't like taking out because they make me they really make me dopey, but yeah Oh, I mean that's what you're gonna hear for me today Oh, it's a dopey Adam episode But you're testing negative for the big one so that's good every day. Yeah, just burn in COVID tests Just throwing them directly into the trash. Are you also taking Ivermectin, though, just to be sure? Oh, yeah. I'm taking that rectally, though. I'm also drinking a lot of green juice. Oh, yeah. This was a big part of our tour this year was going and getting something that wasn't just aggressively unhealthy.
Starting point is 00:04:25 Even if they had a beige juice at the juice store, I wasn't getting beige juice, I was getting green juice. I was getting a lot of like, beat salads and things like that for lunch. I think I went one leg of the tour eating some form of beat product every single day. You were consuming a lot of beat poetry? Mm-hmm, right. Yeah. Ginsburg was with me in spirit. Yeah. And in my back pocket.
Starting point is 00:04:53 Mm-hmm. How's that green juice treating you? That's good. I hear conflicting things. I hear some people say they're just, they're just, you know, sweetums and they're full of calories and it's no better than drinking a soda.
Starting point is 00:05:06 And then I hear other people saying, it's like one of the best things for you. Well, my theory is, if it tastes a little bit bad, it's good for you. And the one I'm sipping on right now tastes a little bit bad. So I feel like it's good. It's good. Therefore, it must be good. Yeah. Right. Anything good has to must be good. Yeah, right. Anything good has to not be enjoyable, right?
Starting point is 00:05:29 Right. At least a little bit. That's how life works, my friend. It's not fair. I'm trying to speed my way through this head cold as quickly as possible. And even if green juice doesn't work, it makes me feel like I'm doing something.
Starting point is 00:05:41 I want to feel like I'm doing something. Yeah, man, you got a wife out of town. We were planning on having a big hang. We were gonna get together today and get lunch and then record in person. Sucks. It sucks. I can't have chicken wings with my friend.
Starting point is 00:05:56 Did I get to be alone in my office doing Star Trek podcasting? Weak as hell. Drinking green juice instead of eating chicken wings? I wish we got negative support in the max fund drive and we could have just quit. Pfft. Jesus.
Starting point is 00:06:15 I am not fit for general population, man. This is it. This is my only career forever. Is this? I can't go back. Yeah, yeah, we were talking about how much, how much this has spoiled us for real life with everybody Adam Ragusia who also feels like
Starting point is 00:06:34 he couldn't go back. Yeah, Adam Ragusia differently famous because he's of the YouTube variety of fame. Yeah. A whole different kind. Yeah. Keep my face out of there. Hey, Goo, stop doing video shows with us.
Starting point is 00:06:46 Let's keep it audio only, all right? Yeah, don't have to talk to him a little bit about some of the down. I mean, obviously, upsides makes his own schedule, makes a lot better money. Yeah, downsides. Woof. Yeah, that's tough, man. Love the goose a whole lot. It was great hanging out with him in real life.
Starting point is 00:07:09 Yeah, I don't wish the downsides on anyone though. No. Sucks. Yeah, maybe our experience can be a warning to others. I mean, I think by comparison, our experience, well, we are way less famous than him has had way fewer downsides also. I mean, to many podcasters being the hosts of a hit star Trek podcast might be a worst-case scenario for podcast fame, right? Wow. What a... You want to get famous any other way, don't you?
Starting point is 00:07:41 I told you I had a bit before we started recording today. But now I almost just want to pull the podcast over despite that beautiful transition you just proposed there to tell you the bit. You know what, an editor can re-sequence that around and make it seamless. It'll be like it never happened. It'll be like our podcast never left the road.
Starting point is 00:08:02 I was just going to propose to you. If we ever do, I do, Ben, we ever do finish being Star Trek podcasters. What do you say about opening up a because sausages have casings. That is a, that is a good now idea. Good now. I don't know what that means. There, I think I've probably told the story on the show and if I have you can cut it out. But when I was going to college and I was taking German, the best reaction you could get from the teaching assistant who was just a total fucking smoke show was when she would turn to you and say, good now with her approval of your German. Wow. And I always lived for the canal back in those days.
Starting point is 00:09:08 Wow. Hot German teacher. Yeah. You never think of it. Can now is like, can now, if you don't know German, might sound like good or great or whatever, but it actually means like precisely or exactly. Oh, perfect.
Starting point is 00:09:22 Wow. Well, I would love nothing more than to sell snossages with you when we're done with all this Star Trek nonsense. But for right now, let's get into the episode we came to talk about today. It's season three episode 25 worst case scenario. Reaver course. Unless you've got something a little bigger in your torpedo toots, I'm not turning around. scenario. I thought this was going to be one of those episodes where BLT is just alone, or like in a strange universe where she's trying to figure stuff out and kind of a long
Starting point is 00:09:57 long period passes before the reveal, but like in the beginning BLT is kind of skulking around a corridor and it seems like she's alone. That moment is so crucial. It's like one of the great choices they made in this episode is why does she look a little bit lost? Because without that moment, I don't think that you pick up on what's going on for a long time. And with it, it is the first little taste of something feeling off, and it primes you to notice everything else that might be a little bit off. Why do I get the feeling that you're testing me? It's a really great choice, for sure.
Starting point is 00:10:36 She's wandering in the hall and Jacote bumps into her. Hey, hey, hey, you got your chocolate in my peanut butter on my chocolate. And immediately starts talking about what a dickhole two vachas and, you know, like, Janeway's no pizza yourself. There's a lot of people on the non-make-wee side of this crew that really rubbed me the wrong way.
Starting point is 00:10:59 And I'm kind of wondering how you feel about it, BLT. Has Jicote always been a close talker? He's nice, but of a close talker. Or is this just what you do physically when it's kind of a soda Vote? Yeah, getting a little conspiratorial. Yeah, like I think both of those things are at play here physically. Yeah. Jakote kind of cozy's up into her nook.
Starting point is 00:11:20 This is Jakute, is that what this is? I also thought the Vs were writing a little lower than usual this app. Have the Vs always been this deep on the uniforms? No. This is what a episode that begins with things being a little off kind of makes me think. Like I'm just looking at details going like,
Starting point is 00:11:40 has it always been like that? Right, right. I wrote in my notes like, why do I feel like I'm in season one before anything was revealed? And I, like, nothing, no character from season one had showed up. Nothing about anything had happened that would reveal that to me. But somehow they captured that. Something about the Junisei Qua of the episode is giving season one energy. So maybe the Vs are a little bit lower. Maybe they've got season one Vs.
Starting point is 00:12:08 I love that you coat a pivot of like out in the corridor. We can talk about how shitty it is to work with TuVac on any given day, but as soon as the door is closed to the turbo lift, he's like, God, I could just kill TuVac, couldn't you? Wouldn't it be fucking great? Like this goes beyond workplace gossip. I feel like shit talking at the workplace, super common.
Starting point is 00:12:30 Yeah. God, Darryl in accounting, totally blowing up my spot on the expense reports, makes it so difficult, does not ever turn into, couldn't you just throw Darryl off the roof of this building? The guy's in nightmare. Well, we have, you know, Friday happy hour up on the roof deck. But I'm just bumped him. And that's how this goes because Chicoate is like boy, two-vac kind of grind in my
Starting point is 00:12:58 gears and then, hey, want to do a mutiny? Want Wanna do a mutiny right now? Yeah, boy, did you get on an interesting turbo lift, BLT? Yeah, I mean, it's interesting, right? Cause the way he talks to her, it doesn't exactly feel the way Chico take talks to BLT. And, you know, you would think if you were going to plan a mutiny, you might include the chief engineer, make-wease in your plan.
Starting point is 00:13:27 Right. Because like Crimson Tide, you want your weps. We've got to have weps, he's the key. You want your engineer, you want your your cob, you want all your characters to be on your side. Get all the department chiefs. Yeah. Ben, do you think the bridge is the penthouse
Starting point is 00:13:46 of the ship in a turbo lift sense? Like, I bet a lot of crew people want to hit the button for the bridge, but that doesn't mean the turbo lift is going to take you there. It's got a key. Yeah. Next to the button.
Starting point is 00:13:58 You just, you take off your combat and sort of hold it to the thing, but that never works. Right. Yeah. Then you've got to go back out into the lobby and be like, I'm sorry, the NFC doesn't seem to be working. Yeah, you gotta be that guy. Ugh.
Starting point is 00:14:13 Which is the lobby of the ship in this comparison? Transportor room? Neelitz Valley? I guess transportor room kind of. Yeah. Got a check in desk. Yeah. In this scene, Chico Tei is so much fun being arched.
Starting point is 00:14:29 Yeah. But I couldn't help but think like God, man. You blow your chance to have bathtub sex with Janeway and this is where you go with it. All of a sudden you want the big chair again? You fucked up. Yeah. It drove them crazy.
Starting point is 00:14:43 Really did. So Janeway and Paris are going away on a shuttle trip to make contact with another species, classic mistake. Yeah, nothing good happens on a shuttle trip. She is throwing, I mean, part of what makes this feel like at season one is she's like first time for everything to code. Hey, you're in charge of the ship. Right, there is some dialogue that suggests a when this was made.
Starting point is 00:15:11 Right, sort of thing. And Tuvac is sort of getting left to babysit. Like, you're in charge technically, but I am going to keep a close eye on you and tell the captain how you did when she gets back as sort of the energy he's giving. Under the circumstances, I believe my time will be better spent assisting you in your effort to justify the trust the captain is placed in you.
Starting point is 00:15:32 Instant Kim hasn't banged either of the Delaney sisters at this point. That's how you really know. There's still walking around perfectly normally. He has no rings on his clarinet. So no sooner have Paris and Janeway gone to war. Then Chico Tay sort of triggers his code where there's a pre-established. Have you started calibrating the something, something that establishes that all the star fleets are locked in their rooms, and then their licking shots at two-vac, Ensign Kim is hunkered down behind his control panel trying to ultimoambre the situation. It's great that he has that modesty wall
Starting point is 00:16:17 wrapped around a station, right? Yeah, for block and phaser fire. It's like when we go on tour We want to we want a black curtain hung in front of the table that we sit at. In case one of us wear shorts, which has yet to happen. No, but I mean it's happened to you in other scenarios and so we just try to hedge against it. Yeah, good call. Chico Tay fires first. I love this. I love and I love the lead up here too. Like the camera angles are uncomfortable and unusual Yeah, like everything is working in concert to set up how bizarre and surprising this moment is and when the shot start getting fired like the lighting changes and it's really dark like chick
Starting point is 00:16:59 Ote is like only rim lit in this scene. Yeah, he took a good shower before the lights got set up here. Yeah. Ensign Kim catches one and the camera swishes over and it was BLT that shot him. What a great moment for Ensign Kim also. Yeah, went down swinging. He did that. You're never going to take me a live thing and then get shot for it. That's what happens.
Starting point is 00:17:25 Yeah. Chicote refers to BLT as an ensign. Oh, and that's another hint, isn't it? Yeah. So that's another hint that something is a skew. Yeah. So they head off the bridge. That's like any video game, right?
Starting point is 00:17:37 Like when you begin, you have zero things in your pack, you have zero experience points. She's gonna have to do a lot of herb gathering and killing animals in the forest to kind of get her XP up. She goes straight to the holodeck to do her phaser fight training. Yeah, her warfare counts really. Yeah. BLT feels bad about shooting Kim.
Starting point is 00:18:01 Yeah. Which she should. He reassures her. You just stunned him. So he's fine. I kind of wish he'd been like, you know, killing your first man is never easy. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:18:11 You know? I guess like, I wonder if they thought about that and they were like, no, like people will. It's too far. Yeah, it breaks the spell instantly. It's a bridge too far if he says that. They get in a, in some hallway combat on their way. They go to deck two,
Starting point is 00:18:30 which if it were you or me, we would have taken the stairs. Right, yeah. You know, but they're not, none of these people wear fitness trackers. So they're like, not even, they're not even fighting for those steps. No, no, they get into a hallway,
Starting point is 00:18:44 phase or fight again, and they get coverage from behind. By Seska. That's my Seska. She a real bad bitch. Up a jar and crewman of the Cardassian Physiology. On a dance floor. She wouldn't do something like this.
Starting point is 00:18:57 This is for Kishin. I went out and called back here. She's back, baby. She's got such a massive weapon. I love this. This is a BFG right here. Yeah, she really does. She went for the full size phaser.
Starting point is 00:19:08 Yeah. They go into Nielix's galley and everybody there is like hunkered down with weapons behind some piled up furniture. Nielix pretty quickly throws in with the insurrectionists. This is a real jarline turn by him, right? Yeah, it really is. I felt like Chico Day saying, well, we're going to need a cook. Should have just gotten all the eye rolls from everybody.
Starting point is 00:19:32 Like, ah, new boss, same as the old boss. We got to eat this shit still. Very fun moment. Yeah. Nielix sees the writing on the wall, though. He wants to live. Yeah, he chooses to live. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:19:46 I've got to get there. Not in the butcher's life, no more your mouth. I... A greatest gen live show is something you don't want to miss. Why? Well, it's a great opportunity to see me and Ben in person, but that's not all. FODs from all over gather at these shows to cosplay, to do pre and post show hangs, to make friends, and share their embarrassment.
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Starting point is 00:21:32 We are podcasters, so it's different. Have you heard of Ono Ross and Carrie? We investigate spirituality, claims of the paranormal, stuff like that. And you have a boat and say the world's gonna end, so seem like something for us to check out. We would love to be on the boats. We came two by two.
Starting point is 00:21:46 What do you think? Ona Ross and Carrie, available on MaximumFun.org. I've got to get that not-nor-n-i-thicc-just-trump-go-lump. Notably, Kess is not an insurrectionist. Now. She's one of the people that's rounded up in a cargo bay and Given given sort of a pitch from Chico day like we're not following the prime directive We're not doing any starfleet bullshit. We're getting home by any means necessary as fast as possible and not not doing a bunch of Bullshit star tricks. I and it's on the way home. You listen to Chico day in the scene. I don't know about you, Ben
Starting point is 00:22:23 But I wanted to follow him. I mean, I kind of feel like this episode is speaking directly to the critic of Voyager that's like, why is it always monster to the week and why is Janeway always pulling the ship over to save an alien? It's pretty disparaging toward his own show. Really? Yeah. Yeah. It's an anti-star Trek Voyager case he's making in favor of an all-gas no-break strategy heading back home. Yeah. No more weird spirit quests for me. Just gonna keep the prize on the eyeball.
Starting point is 00:22:59 Hahaha. Has this choice as being put to them? The simulation pauses and in-locks Paris, and it is revealed that BLT has been playing a hollow game this entire time. We've been 11 minutes into this episode. Put a sack on the door to the halladek, BLT. Come on.
Starting point is 00:23:18 I was like, damn, BLT is worse than Barkley. Like, this is a fucked up thing to like run a simulation of for yourself. You know, there's nothing wrong with a healthy fantasy life, as long as you don't let it take over. Before she reveals that it's not her simulation, it's something she found in a tax document folder on the computer. It's interesting knowing what we know about how a holodic is constructed,
Starting point is 00:23:40 and by that I mean, it's just the box, and the world moves around the person inside it. Yeah. If you were to open up the door to someone else's holiday program, you're always going to appear in proximity. Right. If you're not going to open up the holiday door and end up on the other side of the ship, because you don't have room in the box for that. I've long thought that it must have the ability to create multiple instances of the simulation around
Starting point is 00:24:06 multiple people though, because- That makes sense. There are occasions where you're looking for someone in a holiday from time to time. But yeah, I mean, he loves this idea. He's like, this sounds fun as hell. I kind of thought he was asking her to just rewind and they would play it together. I thought so too. Like, two-player version of this is something that I really wanted.
Starting point is 00:24:29 But you never get it. It doesn't have the two-player co-op. Yeah. I mean, he even puts it in those terms. Like, I want to like throw popcorn at the screen and joke around about it with you. Yeah, I like to get popped. Do you see a good movie? Yeah, I love to get popped, don't I?
Starting point is 00:24:43 Yeah, that's not what this is. I wonder if they messed around with it being two-player as a project, like when you're writing this episode, how this episode changes if it is. Right, yeah. Instead, it is just him playing, and he is an ensign in a yellow shirt. This is like when you play Super Mario Bros. with someone, and you're like, yeah, let's do two-player, and BLT is Mario, and with someone and you're like, yeah, let's do two-player. And BLT is Mario, and she's been playing for like two hours before she finally dies.
Starting point is 00:25:10 And you basically forget that you're Luigi and you're starting back at World One. Oh no! Uncool! So, Paris takes kind of a left turn when the mutiny breaks out and throws in with the loyal faction. Crucially, he is not playing Paris in this. Paris is in-game Paris is on the shuttlecraft. He is unnamed, Ensign Protagonist, the same character that BLT was playing. And it's the uniform that's so interesting, right?
Starting point is 00:25:43 Like, the character is made to wear a gold uniform, and when BLT wore it, it didn't seem weird, but when Paris wears it, it does. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah, like, he looks better in the yellow than like, data looked in the red uniform, when, you know, like, they occasionally
Starting point is 00:25:59 will throw a character in a different color uniform than you're used to seeing them in. But it does clash a little bit. I've got a weird theory about this. And that is a gold uniform kind of anonymizes the crew person in a way that a red one does not. I feel like a distinct person in a red uniform
Starting point is 00:26:22 is more distinct than anyone wearing a gold uniform. Why is that? Well, yeah, like now that I think about it, like the people in the main cast that wear gold uniforms almost always have something else that is very distinct about them. Yeah. Jordy has the visor. O'Brien has big curly hair. Do you think that's just years and years of Star Trek training my eye to
Starting point is 00:26:47 Pay no mind to the anonymous security person? They're just there. That's just a back zip. Don't worry about him. Yeah, I don't know. Am I making any sense here? They wind up in the brig after the insurrection. So it's Paris and Harry Kim and a bunch of other extras in there. And Paris goes up to two back and he's like, man, like we've been waiting in here for an hour. This game sucks. Let's try and break out. I was so curious about what the officers were up to
Starting point is 00:27:16 in the first version of this. Now that we're finally with the officers, I'm like, oh, that's why we didn't see the OT's version. They're not doing anything. They're just doing that thing in video games where the background character just like loops and movement. Really like a less than a second long loop, it's just so boring. So boring, I'm tired of being in here.
Starting point is 00:27:42 Yeah, Paris is ready to roll. You want to escape on the menu. And Tuvac is like chill. I mean, as starfleets, it is our duty to both please that booty and look for weaknesses. And our captors patterns. Pretty soon, everybody not Ensign Kim and Tuvac gets taken out of the brig and down to the cargo bay, where we hear the speech about how great it is going to be to work under Captain Chico Te's command.
Starting point is 00:28:10 From a different angle, like all of these second versions get a different camera angle in a way that keeps things interesting. I think if I could make one directing tweak to this, I don't think I would have SESC appointing the rifle at them during this speech because I feel like it doesn't really feel like a choice that they're making you know of their own free will when they're like yes, so I think we will throw in our lot with you guys. You seem great. Yeah, it doesn't seem by choice in that way for sure. Yeah, so Tom Paris takes this opportunity to join team Chico Tay and then we cut away to the mess hall later that day where he's talking about all of the different twists and turns of this game with BLT. And me look side up and he's like yeah this game rules I tried to like trick them by sending an encoded message to the captain. message to the captain. And it turns out this game is almost as popular as suckdisk without any of the brain cocaine aspects to it. Everyone who's playing it, it's fun.
Starting point is 00:29:12 It's just good from its own construction. Yeah, but a beauty in pairs are a little bit scandalized that Nielix knows about it because it does have some inherent scandal to it. So, well, I mean, everything is less cool if Neelix likes it, right? Oh, yeah. By the time Neelix is on to it, it's already over. Yeah. Oh, man, Neelix is rolling up his cuffs. Fuck that.
Starting point is 00:29:39 Rolling him back down. Gonna go get all my suits pressed. Fuck this shit. Yeah, it seems like a BLT maybe mentioned it to the doctor. The doctors played it. The doctor blabbed and Nelix. Yeah. Now, unsan Kim knows about it.
Starting point is 00:29:55 Everybody knows about it. Paris decides to replay the program as a mute near. And we don't start from the beginning this time when we're back in the program. We're a little further along. And we don't start from the beginning this time when we're back in the program. We're a little further along. And we know this because of the costume change. Sesca is wearing a giant hoop belt buckle. Like it is enormous.
Starting point is 00:30:14 Yeah. I don't know how you sit down with a belt buckle that big. Oh man. If Sesca sat down, the hoop belt buckle would like move up into her breasts and then like move them away from the center up and away from the center of her chest. Do you think that maybe she's still slightly cardacian under all that and that's fair. And you know like her her lizardy body would react differently to it. Maybe. Yeah,
Starting point is 00:30:44 I could see that. And Chicoate is wearing like a abraded differently to it. Maybe. Yeah, I could see that. And Chico Tez wearing like a braided leather belt vest. Yeah. Like from 1997 for sure. I really liked how no mention is made of her true Cardassian identity in this. Do you think no one could wait to take off their federation uniforms?
Starting point is 00:31:02 Oh my God, finally. Something breathable and with a giant pell buckle. Yeah, get me into a deep V, por favor. Yeah, I mean, we've talked about this, right? Like if Chico Te was captain, people would dress like Mayquise. Yeah, yeah. Which is like, I don't know,
Starting point is 00:31:20 hipster, back to the land movement people, I guess. Right, there'd be a lot of squeaking from their garments though, you know, hipster back to the land movement people, I guess. Right, there'd be a lot of squeaking from their garments though, you know? Yeah, not very tactical if you need to sneak up on someone. Yeah, they're having engine problems on the ship and they suspect a saboteur is somewhere when Janeway's shuttle approaches. There's a pretty fun situation where Janeway and Paris
Starting point is 00:31:42 are on the shuttle talking to Chicoetay and Paris on the ship. Yeah, I like that we've got two of them. Janeway is pretty ice cold with Commander Chicoetay. She is feeling very betrayed. She decides to take the flight to him. She starts licking shots at them from her Subaru Brat class shuttle. That means it's tough.
Starting point is 00:32:05 This brat really packs a punch. It does. I was surprised. Yeah. But the Voyager packs a bigger punch. We could obliterate them in one shot. It doesn't take long for them to decide to lick a shot back and the shuttle blows up, but Janeway and Paris Prime
Starting point is 00:32:20 have beamed aboard the ship and are now sneaking around on board. Crocky, black, cocky, black, make it, make it yourself. I always say Janeway was a fool. SESC is always like telling the captain of whatever ship she's on that they fucked up big time. Yeah, that's sort of her main quality. If it's not a mage, it's a captain and she wants to stop those nuts. I love Janeway's instincts here too, just as soon as she gets to the ship,
Starting point is 00:32:49 blow open the cell doors and let the prisoners out. Yeah. Great strategy. Let's get stuff. So she gets in a phaser fight with Chicoete in the transport room and Paris and Paris point phasers at each other's heads. So you're gonna shoot himself drop it. It's a real will Thomas Riker Situation here. Hmm must have been his lifelong ambition. It's less sexy than that though I can't believe I kissed you and they both have the exact same length sideburns, right? Yeah, so as they as they Right. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:33:23 So as they stand in this one man, Mexican standoff, the simulation ends. And Paris is very upset by this. He says, a computer like Routin Resume and the computer explains he got to the end. There's nothing else in the adventure. He chose up to the end of your choose your own adventure. Yeah, I mean that standoff was the kill screen, huh? You imagine that's what happens with all these triple A titles these days. Like you you pay the 60 bucks, you download it under your console, you play through,
Starting point is 00:33:58 and it's like not a complete game and you have to buy fucking DLC to supplement it. DLC! What does this game want? What does this game want? Hey! More! Money! Yeah, that's a bummer, man.
Starting point is 00:34:15 Yeah, it sucks. And everyone's hooked! Like, that's the toughest part. Like, people were hooked on this game and now that there's an end. Ah, it's so aggravating. You know, BLT are like trying to figure out where the authors so that they can ask at least what happens. And whoever made this game encrypted it really well. They hid their tracks and they did not sign their work. So they're kind of running up against it all over the place. And they try to get
Starting point is 00:34:44 Nielix in on it like, hey, could you like ask around, see if anybody knows? Now that the cat's out of the bag, W-slash-r-slash-t, the existence of this game. I really am glad we didn't get the cutaway of Nielix being, quote, unquote, discreet about asking around. Because you know he doesn't have that gear. He's not shaved. He's not for 20 friendly. No. Not discrete. Least of all discrete. In a McLoughlin group, it kind of becomes the world's most awkward work meeting because the captain is like, I've heard about the insurrection tape you all keep playing.
Starting point is 00:35:22 I don't know why the time code for my shuttle exploding is the most played portion of the solid novel. She makes it in order like no more discreetly asking around about it. We need to get to the bottom of who made this and someone in the room steps forward. Yeah. How surprised were you that it was two-vac? Very. Yeah. I mean, everybody is. Nobody knew that he had literary aspirations. I'm taking this off and I'm going, step it out. What the hell kind of way to act is that? I love this moment because everyone is lavishing praise on Tuvac. Oh, you're such a great writer. Oh, I love how you've brought
Starting point is 00:36:00 these characters to life. Oh, you should, you should write more even. You missed your calling, Tuvak. And he's like, it wasn't what I was trying to do at all. Like, this is a training exercise. Yeah, as humiliating as it is for me, that you went into my tax documents folder. I was merely gaming a situation out, not fantasizing about it for myself. And the timeline is so interesting, like how you said Ben, like those, that first season
Starting point is 00:36:29 Star Trek Voyager being rife with mutiny vibes. Yeah. Like that, at the time, this seemed like a training exercise that could be pretty useful in season one, but it isn't anymore, and that's why Tuvak thought he had deleted it off at the computer. Right. He dragged it to the trash folder, but then he didn't right click and say empty trash.
Starting point is 00:36:52 And some discussion about, like, should we actually hard delete it? A lot of people have been playing this, like, you know, a third of the crew have dabbled in this, but Janeway actually winds up kind of coming down on the side of like, maybe there's something healthy about this, like we should start creating art as a community because we are a community
Starting point is 00:37:13 and we need to be like talking to each other about our situation. When they came for two Vox Hollow novel, I said nothing. Hehehe. Is what Janeway's thinking because if they start burning hollow books now, I mean eventually they're gonna burn hers and she needs that she needs it to get off then she needs her Bronte-esque bodice rippers sure leave them alone yeah yeah and it's clear at the end of this meeting that even Janeway has been playing this hollanovel herself. There's coffee in that hollanovel. I've become quite popular among the girls. Chico Tei is like, so that suggests there are two Janeways in your world.
Starting point is 00:37:52 Does one of them have a bathtub in her quarters? Two Janeways, one bathtub. Wow. That is what Chico Tei keeps in his tax document, Bindle, one bathtub. Wow. That is what Chico Te keeps in his tax document, Bindle, for sure. When everyone needs a little push over the top, Tuvac is not really interested in finishing the story, has been suggested, but Paris is really excited about this.
Starting point is 00:38:24 He's the most thirsty to find out what the end of the story is going to be. So to the extent that he volunteers to finish it himself, I hated this scene. And like, if this happened in front of me, I would be like, what, the decisions just been made? Like he raised his hand first. I want to get in on this. But Paris was first in and he gets the job. It's the job. And he's like doing that thing where you work on your screen play in the coffee shops
Starting point is 00:38:49 so everybody can see that you're working on your screen play. And two-hoc walks in. Two-hoc-walks. A formative screenplay person. Two-hoc walks up to him and is like, hey, listen, I did a bunch of probability studies about how this would probably go down to create the tactical scenario of the story. I think you should probably consider them as you work out the plot for the conclusion of the program.
Starting point is 00:39:16 I mean, they are talking about, but they also aren't talking about just general difficulty settings of the thing, right? And this is something that anyone who plays video games is familiar with. I think Paris wants to make it fairly chaotic and difficult, but Tuvac wants to make it difficult in a different way. And this is also a literary comparison too, right?
Starting point is 00:39:35 Tuvac did not style himself as a creative person in the McLaughlin group. I mean, I asked you something, why would a review make the point of saying someone's not a genius? You think I'm especially not a genius? He recognizes that his creation is based on character development. And it has to plausibly unfold.
Starting point is 00:39:52 And Paris is like, no, fuck that. Let's just have like crazy twists and turns. Yeah, but just be like a totally unconnected to reality adventure. I'm a traveler of all of space and time. Paris is the guy who turns his car around in the race car game and drives backwards. Right. I thought it was so interesting because after the McLaughlin group
Starting point is 00:40:11 and the like revelation that this is just a program, the only stakes left in this episode are like, do they write an interesting game together? Like that McLaughlin group really took all the tension out of it because it's not like, ooh, if the captain finds out we're gonna be in trouble energy anymore, it's just two guys kind of disagreeing on a creative person for a while and like not wanting
Starting point is 00:40:36 the peanut gallery to suggest stuff like BLT and Nielix and eventually the doctor keep kind of coming in and like shoving, you know, unsolicited script advice into their phrase. I'll love Chico Te's suggestions or like Patrick Stewart from extras having to do with Jane Wei, like, if you're writing your own material, you're creating your own opportunities. And then Jane Wei comes out of a turbo lift and her uniform falls off, but she quickly scrambles to pull it back on, but by then I've seen everything. You had your chance to co-tape.
Starting point is 00:41:14 Yeah, BLT wants it to be horny or two. She's got the similar energy to to co-tape. What it means is a little heart, a little emotion. I thought it was interesting. There's a certain confidence in writing here that the script kind of abandons any stakes for a long time before they are reintroduced in a new way. Right. Nevertheless, it's pretty interesting. It kind of holds your attention, you know?
Starting point is 00:41:38 I mean, I like the law. I like the law before the storm reforms. Yeah. Like, you think you're safe and then you are very not. Yeah. So the lunchroom is not a great place to have clear lines of creative communication. So they're going to go down and use the holodeck as a writer's room, get a whiteboard in there, you know, order in some takeout, and just let the ideas flow.
Starting point is 00:42:01 No bad ideas, guys. What, what happens next in the script? I'm a traveler of all of space and time. And when they get their two-fuck and Paris encounter with the EMH, they have to kick him out by depriving him of his freedom. Computer, override the EMH program's autonomous controls and transfer him back to sick bay.
Starting point is 00:42:19 Now wait, just a minute. Ha ha ha. This is fun. I thought it would have been great if the image had just showed back up with his hollow emitter like, hey, what do you think you're doing? That's, if I had done that to you, that would be like, hypospraing you unconscious and removing you. Would you be cool with that?
Starting point is 00:42:37 Would your human rights be unviolated by that? If you could only hear yourselves. Could Tuvac have ordered the doctor back to Six Bay? Yeah, I'm not totally clear where the doc is in the org chart. Like what his imputed rank is. Yeah, I'm not either. I mean, it makes for a funny year scene. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:42:56 And TuVoc does this. But it also asks more questions than it answers. And a three-in-strip on the web being his time shift can't do it. He's your detective, your dial on the shift, and do it. it answers. They kind of put the holodeck into level creation mode and when they do this, it triggers something bad. Crucially, it is too vach that boots up the program in this moment and he's getting in there like excite bike style putting ramps all over the place but then the computer starts to go haywire up on the bridge they notice this there's a lot of things that are suddenly not right with the ship captain we just lost power both transport of rooms comes are down holodeck systems are scrambled ship is fucked up and when we cut back down to the holodeck, Tuvac and Paris are locked up.
Starting point is 00:43:46 They're locked up inside the brig and on the other side is holo Cesca, who informs them that she has locked the door to the ship, like the main holodeck door has been locked and the safety protocols are off for the program. She is inhabiting the role of like loyal to the make-wee sesca, not sesca, the Cardassian triple agent that embedded with the make-wee, but sesca, the make-wee is herself who feels betrayed by Tuvac and found this program, left it as a booby trap where a holographic version of herself will toy with Tuvac until she kills him.
Starting point is 00:44:26 It made me wonder given Cezca's relationship with Chicoete, if Chicoete actually had been in Paris's position here, would he have been safe given Cezca's feelings for him? I wonder if that's an alt to this story that just became too complex. That kind of recalls that a dreadnought episode a little bit like trying to convince the make-wee's bomb not to be not to be an evil bomb anymore. So probably smart that they stuck with loyal star fleets instead of sprinkling chico-te or another make-waste in there. It's booby traps all the way down though Ben, right?
Starting point is 00:45:08 It really is, yeah. You can't turn off the program, you can't try to wedge open the door. The safeties are off. She wants to toy with them first so she literally gives them a count of 10 to start running. Picard wouldn't even know what to do with this much time. Ha two of us is like, you fucking idiot. The whole point of the rest of the game is for her to like torture and kill us. Like, I love how his point is emphasized though. Like dialogue didn't make this clear to me as clear to me as that scene in six Bay did where all of a sudden the doctor is like
Starting point is 00:45:59 trying to kill them. She opens the door vaporizes Janeway. She shoots Paris with her phaser set to Aoi. And so like, youizes Janeway. She shoots Paris with her phaser set to Aoi and stuff like you're not doing it right. You need to you actually need to run. She and the Chico Tay are making out. That would have been confusing right? If Chico Tay actual had been in the in the simulation and make wee's Chico Tay had been making out with her. Right. It would have been fun. And then Chico Tay's kind of turned on watching himself make out with her. Right. It would have been fun. And then Chico Tez kind of turned on watching himself make out with sesca. Mm-hmm. Yeah, pictures of tents in this pants camp. You can't
Starting point is 00:46:29 control how you feel when you're watching something like that. That's the mother of his child. Yeah. Or is she? Can real ropes impregnate a hollow woman? These are the metaphysical questions that Star Trek never asks. These have a seat on Biobed 1. That's alright, Doc. I'm telling you, I feel fine. You require treatment. 20ccs nitric acid. AHHHH!
Starting point is 00:46:53 A little proverbial salt in the wound. The visit to Six Bay with Paris's flesh wound turns out to be a huge mistake. I love how giant the hyposporias that the doctor uses here. It is comically large. Yeah, that's definitely something you notice in like slightly shittier video games is like the scale of things can be a little bit out of whack. And I kind of felt like this wasn't an acknowledgement of that. Yeah, that was really fun. Up on the bridge in Starship Voyager, actual BLT and Kim are working really hard on trying to shut down the program,
Starting point is 00:47:25 but the booby traps go both ways. They don't really have a way to get into the holiday program and set anything down, and it's like reacting to everything that they try, but Captain Janeway is optimistic that she can rewrite the story a little bit on the fly while it's playing. Yeah, which is a fun idea. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:47:44 Because when we cut to the Jeffries tube in the hollow program, we get to see this in action, right? fly while it's playing. Yeah, which is a fun idea. Yeah. Because when we cut to the Jeffries tube in the hollow program, we get to see this in action, right? Paris and Tuvac run into a plasma fire behind a door. And then a fire extinguisher just appears next to Paris, as if written to be there. You want the fire extinguisher? It's a huge relief.
Starting point is 00:48:00 They get the plasma fire out. They see a little panel on the wall that says, like, hey, we're trying to help you. but no sooner have they seen this than a door opens and there is Tricoté and a dustbuster club. Paris just kind of gestures Skyward like how about some guns? You got a mechleth? You can give me. I've been practicing with my girlfriend. I mean, she doesn't want me to color that, but. There's a pretty fun moment here where Paris and Tuvac are talking about
Starting point is 00:48:32 what's really going on here. And where they're not like being inside of Cezca's tax documents, is like some sort of weird form of gratification for her, like watching them die, would be like the ultimate pop. Yeah, the other thing that's weird about this is that Janeway is like watching this on TV,
Starting point is 00:48:50 like it's a show. Like we've seen people watch past episodes of Star Trek many times, never seen people watching the episode of Star Trek that we are watching during. It's like being an editor and re-sac-sequencing a clip and then rendering it out and then playing it back. This is what Janeway is doing and writing the hollow novel as it's happening and then she could watch it on the screen.
Starting point is 00:49:14 Yeah. She and BLT have prepared down to engineering sort of as a writers retreat so that they can insert little things into the story. And this is a bit squishy, but they kind of suggest that they can insert little things into the story. And this is a bit squishy, but they kind of suggest that like they can make little changes without the program reacting badly, but big ones will cause the program will react by making things harder for Paris and Tuvac.
Starting point is 00:49:36 But it seems like as they add more and more things, the story begins to resist them more and more. Yeah, it's kind of boardgish in that way. Yeah. It's adapting. And resistance is futile. No! Back in the program's brig,
Starting point is 00:49:52 Tuvac and Paris are brought in for execution. This seems like it's getting near the end of the game. Anybody wants to see there's a Donkey Kong kill screen coming up? Chicote is having second thoughts about being the executor of Tuvac and Paris. He's undergoing character change, which is what you look for in good fiction, you know? That's why they're called executioners and that executors, right? Because then like you're an executor. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:50:16 That means something different. That just means you're like in the control of an estate after somebody passes away. Yeah, and that's not what CesCA wants. She co-tated you here. She doesn't leave behind a piece of real estate and a bunch of assets that need to be distributed amongst her heirs. Yeah, and the climax of the episode is this moment, right? The program keeps rewriting itself faster and faster so that Paris and Tuvac always die. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:50:45 There's no way to defend against this. Everything looks normal and then suddenly Mario just up and dies on you. She kills Jakote, but then bangers get dropped and there's a star trek fight and then Paris and Tuvac have guns, but then she sets auto-destruct in the holodeck, which I guess would kill them. Yeah. I mean the bangers are so loud she can sort of just roll off to the side and go computer Set auto-destruct for 60 seconds and also while I'm down on the carpet Listen now my fingernails feel on the heavy nap
Starting point is 00:51:19 Now compare that to where they sound when I Rake of fingernail up the riches on my nose. This is like self-destruct chicken that Sesca actually wins. And this is such a weird scene, right? Casesca is like, too Valk you idiot. If you shoot me, I won't be able to turn off auto destruct. Right. Because I'll be dead. And Tuvac resigned himself to the idea that he has been outwitted by SESCA and both he and Paris hand over their weapons. Tuvac has the bigger of the two, which SESCA gladly accepts.
Starting point is 00:51:52 Yeah. But Tuvac has rigged it to self-destruct itself. She tries to become their executor. She becomes her own executor. Wow. Way to turn a mispeak into something that works, Ben. You are a great comedy partner. Making sure I get off.
Starting point is 00:52:15 Yeah, man. It's all about me trying to make you laugh and you making sure I laugh first. When this phaser rifle blows up in someone's hands, it looks really painful because we see this twice. We see it happen to Janeway and we see it happen to Sescan both times. Ouch. Ouch. Yeah. The glow like traveling down the barrel of the gun into them doesn't look fun. No, no way. The button on the episode is a officers dinner where they're talking about how fun the game was. It's Voyager Cheers.
Starting point is 00:52:46 We get another cheer scene. You do. A lot of just like bits about literary things, Danes X, Mark in a bit, writers block bit, literary collaboration bit. All I do is bits, bits, bits. You're always doing it, it fits. Neelix wanting to tell his own life story and everybody agreeing that his hollow novel would suck ass.
Starting point is 00:53:11 Yeah, no one wants that, Neelix. Shut the fuck up. Get the fuck out of here, Neelix. Hey, Neelix, aren't you supposed to be serving us? This is like, when the waiter sits down at your table to go over the specials. Looks like you're an instant kimchi. He just went to the bathroom, Nelix. He didn't leave.
Starting point is 00:53:30 You're supposed to fold his napkin and put it back for him. Hey, those Leola roots aren't going to boil themselves, Nelix. He says shit. Did you like this episode of Star Trek Voyager Adam? Yes, in third! You ain't more the U.S.S. You're more the U.S. You're more the U.S. You're more the U.S.
Starting point is 00:53:54 Yeah, I mean, it felt a lot like the previous episode to me. Just another interesting bottle, interesting concept. Mm-hmm. I really liked the sine wave of tension. Yeah. And how it worked this episode, that lull to thirds of the way through I thought was really strategically placed. Because I think you need the danger of the third act to feel as extreme as it is. And the only way to get there is having that low first, that low into that sense of security.
Starting point is 00:54:26 Yeah, absolutely. I love the specter of Sasca continuing to haunt them long after her untimely demise. Yeah, me too. I'll often be thinking to keep bringing her back. Bring her back all the time, I say. Once a season, at least. Keep calling Martha Hackett. Yeah, fun stuff.
Starting point is 00:54:44 I thought very similarly about this episode a fun bottle. Yeah, nice and nice bottle to visit. You know, I don't know much about episodes, but I like a fun bottle. So that's often the one I'll bring to the dinner party. Well, do you want to see if anyone brought a priority one message to the dinner party, Adam? Oh, yeah. I'm gonna head over there now. Priority one message from Starfleet coming in on Secured Channel. Need a supplement on top? A supplement on top? A supplement. A supplement.
Starting point is 00:55:16 Yeah, it's extra. But the interest alone could be enough to buy this ship! Ben, our first priority one message is of a promotional nature. And that message goes like this. The Modmin team at the greatest exo-cook want to give a shout out to an up-and-coming YouTube chef and FOD Tristan Petrash. His lovely channel is filled with delicious Korean dishes that even Nielix couldn't mess up.
Starting point is 00:55:42 If you try something fun from his channel, don't forget to share it at the greatest exo-cook with the hashtag Tristan made me do it. Wow. I love Korean food. I'm going to check this out. Yeah, you and me both. That reminds me that we're do you. Korean food hang.
Starting point is 00:55:57 We certainly are. Yeah, I definitely am getting better at making Korean food that tastes good to me. It's a little bit of a learning curve just because it's so far outside of my cultural milieu. My mom never taught me to make a Korean dish growing up. I admire your interest in that so much, but living in L.A. is like you're so rich
Starting point is 00:56:20 with great Korean food everywhere that I would almost like, not want to even attempt it. with great Korean food everywhere that I would almost like not want to even attempt it. Well, it's worth throwing down on. Just get yourself some go-to-jang. Watch one of these videos from Tristed P-Trash on YouTube. Yeah, I'm sure you're off to the races. Yeah. Our next priority one message is of a personal nature and it's from Joel and it's to Ben and Adam and it goes like this. Not much of a podcast guy I've been listening to yours slowly, enjoying each app like a fine blood one. I started when you first aired and I've only just completed TNG, but I've been looking forward to Voyager, so like Kelsey Grammer,
Starting point is 00:57:01 it's time for me to jump ahead to the present. Is that a bad idea? Anyways, seemed like a great time to say thanks. Wow. Thank you Joel. Geez, Joel requested this message to be played during this episode exactly. Wow. And Joel nailed it. Yeah, Joel shot from so far in the past that he actually nailed this app. The question remains though Ben. Does Joel skip DS9 and go straight to Voyager, right? A series that Joel clearly enjoys if they requested AP1 for this specific episode. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:57:35 I would say how dare you Joel, for even thinking about skipping the greatest generation DS9, and for that, I sent in so you'd listen to DS9 episodes of the greatest generation twice. Wow Hey, Joel you have my permission to veto that sentence by Nobody needs to listen to our deep space nine episodes. What the hell? I think I think those are some of our finest work. Oh really. Yeah, I thought they sucked Cool Your freelance marketing game finest work. Oh really? Yeah I thought they sucked. Cool. Your free-lant marketing game is wearing a tent. Great advocate for your own work there. Well, Ben our
Starting point is 00:58:15 third and final priority one message is from crocodile, pickles, dundee, and it is two. Sando Calrissian. Message goes like this, Happy 40th birthday from the land down under. Wow, hopefully by this time they have released us from the island of Convix and Roberta and I are with you in person to celebrate. I love you very much my friend and wish you all the best. Here's hoping for 40 years more. B&A, could you please have current apologize for forgetting? As Andrew Spur's day. I would apologize, except I've already forgotten what I am apologizing for.
Starting point is 00:59:00 And that sort of highlights the cruelty of asking me to apologize for anything. If I can't remember what I did wrong, the chances are good that my bad memory is the culprit and that isn't my fault. It's the fault of one, Dr. Bashir. It's a real Philip Baker Hall from Magnolia situation. He does not remember his awful acts and Yet must be punished Magnolia is the only film that I remember seeing Only film that I remember seeing! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha I guess we've proved that the DS9 episodes do have one or two things worth listening for. So, right.
Starting point is 01:00:06 Oh yeah! You gotta go back for Kern! That was a lot of fun if you'd like to get a P1. Go ahead and head over to Maximumfund.org slash Jembo Tron to set it up. It's a hundred bucks for a personal message and a hundred for a commercial message. And we really appreciate it. You know, I'm really easy to get along with, close to the time. But I don't like bullets, I don't like friends, and I don't like you.
Starting point is 01:00:28 Hey Adam! Step in. Did you find yourself a drunk Shimoda? Drunk Shimoda! You kind of grazed my Shimoda earlier by your description of the button and everyone doing bits around the table. Yeah. Tom Parris's take of... I'm just glad you didn't come down with a case of writer's block. This B-Dunk's take here is so exquisite because he drops that line and then he looks around
Starting point is 01:00:57 the room and it is the look of someone doing a bit and receiving no recognition for it. Yeah. And there's such a familiarity to that look, because I know that look. I've had that look before. You've had that look. I've seen it. But the, like the, the crestfallen this of him going, I did a funny thing and no one appreciates me.
Starting point is 01:01:19 That's enough to earn my shimo to this episode, Ben. What about you? I'm just gonna give it to Sasuke. She seems like she's having the most fun in this episode. For sure. Relishing getting the drop on two-vac one last time, energy. And it was such a pleasure to see one of the juiciest Star Trek villains there ever was one more time. Yeah. And I'm with you. I hope they keep bringing her back for finding crazy
Starting point is 01:01:45 sci-fi excuses to bring her back. Yeah. Every season, give us a Martha Hackett episode. I wanted to be there waiting for them when they get back to Earth. Turn it around, Chico Tay. We're not turning this podcast around Ben, we are going ever forward. Yeah, why don't you head to goth.bizslashgame where we keep the game of buttholes The will of the caretaker while I tell you about the last episode of season 3, which we have coming up next at him. Wow. It's season 3, episode 26. Scorpion, part one.
Starting point is 01:02:28 The inevitable finally happens as Voyager enters Borg space. However, they soon encounter a new threat in a species even more powerful and dangerous than the Borg. That's impossible. I personally think the B board will remain impervious to death forever. That should be how they're written. Ben, I'm going to head over to the game of Buttholes, the World of the Caretaker, where our runabout is currently on square 44. Two squares ahead
Starting point is 01:03:01 is a coconut episode and a few squares. Behind that is a space butthole. You're required to learn as you play. Roll. I'm gonna roll the die now. Chula! Did I win? Man, I've rolled a four. It jumps us over the coconut and puts us on the doorstep of the space butthole, which means scorpion will be a regular old episode for us. But a Scorpion Bull episode for you, a man who still owes the folks a Coco No No. Yeah, maybe it'll be that one, maybe not. I'm fighting a head cold.
Starting point is 01:03:39 I don't want to, I don't want a Scorpion Bull right now. Okay, but that's like we're recording that next week. Don't you think you'd probably be over the cold by then? I don't want a scorpion bowl right now. Okay, but that's like we're recording that next week. Don't you think you'd probably be over the cold by then? I don't know. I wanted to be a surprise. Okay. I'm not tipping my scorpion bowl hand. Hmm. Alright. Don't show us what you have in your scorpion bowl hand. But do show us your appreciation for the friends of DeSoda who support our show. I appreciate them very much, Ben.
Starting point is 01:04:06 Friends of DeSoda who support the show? Know what to do. They go to MaximumFund.org slash join. That's true. We really appreciate everybody that supported us at the recent Max Fund Drive. Again, we're recording this during, so we don't know how many of you did, but I'm sure it's a lot, and that was great. We also really appreciate the great work of Bill Tilly, the Card Danny, who runs our social media accounts at greatest trek on Instagram and Twitter.
Starting point is 01:04:31 Those are really fun follows if you like what we do. He keeps it a lively and fun hang. We got one more live show coming up in Austin, Texas. That's right. I think that's the end of this week, right? That's this Saturday as this week, right? That's a... that's... This Saturday as this episode is released? Saturday night in Austin, Texas.
Starting point is 01:04:50 How cool is that? Yeah, we'll come to the stage. Fairly sleepy after having consumed a life-threatening amount of barbecue. But we promise it'll be a good show. You just gotta squeeze it all in. Like, you gotta squeeze as much Texas into your two days as you got. Uh-huh. Everything's bigger there, including my stomach. Prepare your birdie now, Ben. Yeah, I'm gonna start cross-training. Hey, we got to thank Nick Dittmore, who made our show art and helps us out with all of our
Starting point is 01:05:20 graphics stuff. Got to thank Wendy Pretty, the great producer of this program, and Adam Agusia, who made the original Janeway song that is the theme of the greatest generation Voyager. It takes a village of the friends of DeSoto to make the greatest generation. It's true. With that, we will be back at you next week with another great episode of Star Trek Voyager, and an episode of the greatest generation Voyager where we encounter episode of Star Trek Voyager and an episode of the Greatest Generation Voyager where we encounter a new Star Trek podcast that's even more dangerous than this one. Impossible. You'll be caught up in you and you'll be fine Make it sound, make it sound
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