The Greatest Generation - “Tax Documents” (VOY S2E6)
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Welcome to the greatest generation voyage or to Star Trek podcast by a couple of guys
We're a little bit embarrassed to have Star Trek podcast. I'm Ben Harrison.
I'm Adam Pranica.
Hey buddy, you were back in Seattle.
I was and mistakes for the first time since you moved.
I did a bad job.
Man.
You mean by moving right before a global pandemic or?
Well, yeah, I mean that obviously.
That was a huge mistake on your part.
What an idiot you were.
That was pretty dumb by me.
You ever like skip a meal either because you're working
or reasons.
And then when it's time, you over and d'olge.
I'm someone who does this.
Like, if I'm really feeling it and it's been a while
and it could be anything, really.
Sure.
I'll just really go for it when it's time to go again.
I used to make this mistake on Thanksgiving,
I would say like, I going to skip lunch today,
so I can really go after it at dinner time. That's a mistake.
And the thing about Thanksgiving is, for most people, it's once a year. If you've got a
family dynamic where you're doing multiple Thanksgiving, I understand that that can be
a couple of times a year thing. But like like no technology I've ever deployed has ever worked.
And thanksgiving or anything else because this Seattle trip was 10 days, I was hammered
for I think nine out of the 10 evenings and on the and on the 10th, it was just because
circumstances prevented it. I probably would have done it again.
Uh huh. If you can remember Adam's trip to Seattle.
You weren't really there.
It was and I'm not I'm not trying to paint this in a negative light.
And I don't need anyone concerned about me.
What it what it came from the motivation was just the happy feelings
of being reunited with people.
Yeah, and it being quite a celebration for that reason. So that's great, man. the happy feelings of being reunited with people. Yeah.
And it being quite a celebration for that reason.
So.
That's great, man.
It was just normally the multi-day celebration for me
as a couple of days.
This one was unique in its length.
This was a marathon.
Yeah, it really was.
But, man, I'm really feeling it.
I've decided on embarking on a week of clean living this week.
Wow.
We are going to lay down two episodes this afternoon and there is a non-zero chance that
we hit that warm hammer and that could really be bad for you.
I was thinking a lot about that on the one hand.
I'm really hoping for a good, lucky feeling
that we don't go there.
On the other hand, my body's never been more ready
for something like that.
You've been cross-training.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I spent a whole week in the drinking gym.
I'm good to go.
Yeah, you're looking pretty swollen.
Yeah.
Not in the way that you are.
And by swole, I mean puffy.
Yeah, just around the face mostly.
Yeah, man, thanks for,
thanks for minding the store while I was away.
I really, I really tried to unplug all the way in a way
that is pretty hard for either of us when we,
when we take time off from the show.
So it was nice to be able to do that.
When you are a small business owner, it can really feel downright impossible to check out entirely.
And yeah, I mean, I feel I think very often about how lucky I feel to have such a competence
partner in you. If I need to check out for a week, you can totally hold me down
and vice versa. I mean, I can't totally hold you down, but I could do a lot. No, I'm very
wriggly. Yeah, it's a good deal for both of us. I appreciate that. Ben, I get a question for you
because I hung out with a lot of family on this trip. Sure. And I know recently you've been
hanging out with your family quite a bit. Mm-hmm. And I know I haven't been out in the wild very much.
I've been a shut in like you have the whole year
and so I'm unused to being around strangers mostly,
but family also.
Right.
And I found it particularly challenging,
I mean, for all the obvious reasons.
But also like how to moderate your personality particularly challenging, I mean, for all the obvious reasons.
But also, how to moderate your personality and sense of humor
for civilians is something that I had not had
a lot of recent reps in.
You and I are like two of the only people
we've seen recently, and famously,
we're always doing bits when we see each other.
All I do is bits, bits, bits.
So that might be a mode that we are both kind of locked in.
Yeah, I had to really work to dial that back,
because someone's casually throwing the wiffle ball
around the room conversationally,
and I'm grabbing it and like running it into the yard.
No one wants that.
Declaring a touchdown and they're like, Adam, we were just playing wiffle ball. grabbing it and like running it into the yard. No one wants that.
Declaring a touchdown and they're like,
Adam, we were just playing Whiffleball.
Yeah.
We're just having a game of catch.
My wife is crying.
She doesn't think you were joking.
Yeah, I'm definitely feeling a bit of that.
And I'm guessing that this is just gonna take
a couple of reps, a couple of that and I'm guessing that this is just going to take a couple of reps,
a couple of go-outs with a work friend of my wife's or whatever.
Yeah, the reps are the thing.
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, it's like you and I have been doing nothing but sparring with each other.
Yeah.
And then we actually have a fight against someone else
and we're getting knocked out in the first round.
Yeah, we're like those guys that pick a fight
with Nicholas Cage at the beginning of Conair.
Right.
I didn't realize that that was a trained killer.
Yeah, man.
I, uh, this is embarrassing to bring up, but I feel like it kind of
this is the place or thoghnal to what we're talking about. And this is an embarrassment-based
podcast. It is. I did this very thing. We were, we had a couple of friends of my wife's over and
a couple of their friends. So some, some folks I didn't know sitting around the folding table
in our shitty backyard, it's sharing a bottle of wine.
And my wife took umbridge with me making an attempted
a bunmo.
You know, I dabbled in some wordplay or something
and got the the wifely. Who do you think that's
for? Is or something like that? Is it because you were calling it that? And I got defensive. I'm not
proud of the fact that I got defensive, but I said, well, I am a professional comedian.
And like, I think that on one level, that is true.
Like you and I make our living making jokes on the internet,
but we're not stand-ups, we're not improv comics,
we're not comedic actors.
Right.
And it just, I think it, because I was defensive,
I didn't say I'm a professional podcaster,
because that's the dorkiest thing you can fall back on
in the history of the world.
Right.
But boy, that really raised some eyebrows around the table.
I love it.
I love it because I don't think you're wrong in defending yourself and in defending the,
I don't know, man.
Can we think of ourselves in that way?
I don't think we can, really.
I mean, that's an insult to comedians.
But can we?
I think in Mix a Company, it's so difficult
to define what we are.
Because we rarely ever have to do that
in the company we usually keep,
either with each other or other professionals
who do the same stuff that we do.
Yeah, Chuck Bryant doesn't need to be brought up
to speed on what it is we do.
This came up orthogonally with me also.
In that, like, there was some playful ribbing going on
in the family about like how, you know, must be nice.
I just make dick jokes with my friends in the family about like how, you know, must be nice.
I just make dick jokes with my friends
while my wife does the real work.
Right.
And you can't defend yourself with as much enthusiasm
as maybe is warranted at a moment like this.
Because it's ugly, right?
It's ugly to make the case for your professional existence.
And so I rarely do it, or I'm interested in doing it.
Instead, I just get cucked.
Yeah, yeah. Instead, Adam, you just get twisted.
I do. Yeah, twisted right up.
Twisted them right off of me. Just like the Starship Voyager in today's episode, season two, episode six, twisted.
We begin with Cass entering a darken sundry.
In a place I don't think she's ever been.
And if she has just very, very obi the way,
like as Nielix's date or whatever,
like she's not doing holodeck
with the same enthusiasm as the others.
She hasn't stood up in a closet with a sailor
in sundreams before.
Right.
Yeah.
I mean, but that would really be the place, right?
Sundreams, full of sailors. Full of sailors, that would really be the place, right? So I'm saying it's full of sailors.
Full of sailors, probably full of closets, you know?
Those old bars, they have little snugs and stuff.
I mean, where are you gonna stick them up
when you're not using it?
I've read something very interesting about this episode
that actually kind of unlocked something.
I think you and I have both been making the case for in season two.
This episode was one of four that was written and produced at the end of the first season.
Wow.
And they were held back by the United Paramount Network to air in the second season.
And the other episodes that are included in that are projections,
allosium, and the 37s.
All episodes that I think we talk about feeling more appropriate
as season one episodes.
You know, say what you will about the United Paramount Network, RSVP.
They always made great business moves, money moves, I think is what they called them.
And they don't dance no more. The decision with these episodes, no moves, I think is what they called them. And they don't dance no more.
The decision with these episodes, no different really.
Very strange, right?
Like I think that our instincts were better than the executives at the networks.
These are season one episodes.
Wow, you know, we don't like to get into the unsavory aspects of podcasting, which often include the hosts
of a show saying they could do it better.
Uh-huh.
But here we are, Ben.
Here we are.
Uh, one little addendum to that piece of trivia.
This one was the last of those four to air due to the fact that the production team considered
this episode to be the worst of the four.
Yeah. Yeah.
Are you ready to test that assumption?
The people involved with this episode thought it was garbage.
Some of them didn't think it should ever have been aired.
Wow. I think B-Dunks was one of them, which is my nickname for Robert Duncan McNeil.
B-Dunk? Yeah. I mean, we don't know each other at all.
Certainly not at the level that would warrant a nickname.
But yeah, B-Dunks hated this one.
He seems like a fun guy who would be up for a cool nickname.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
Sundreens is empty and the lights flick on
and Kess finds herself in a surprise party.
I hate surprise party, I would never do that to you.
This is something, she, unlike Lieutenant Worf,
has no context for.
She wasn't suspicious at all.
I love surprise parties.
I mean, when I look at Nielix,
I don't suspect a Susie Green situation
where he's trying to do this for any untwored reason.
What's your angle? You sideburned fuck.
Robert Picardo really pulls off that beret.
You know how some people just have beret face?
I think you have beret face.
I do not.
I can rock a beret.
Robert Picardo, great beret face.
Great beret face.
I feel like B-Dunks probably, not a great parade face.
The thumbnail for this episode was Robert Picardo in a parade and the puffy shirt that he's wearing as the bartender in
Sundrains and I did let out an audible. I sat down to watch this? Because I was really worried that we were going to be stuck in the fucking holiday
for the entire time.
Yeah, this is audible grown the episode, isn't it?
Yeah, so the doc is here.
Bar tending, it's Kess's second birthday.
Big number two for Kess, and apparently that's drinking age if you're a no-compah.
Yeah, the terrible twos uparent
because she is screaming and just won't stop
because the teeth have come in, I guess.
Yeah, she's toothing on a little mug of mold brandy
or something.
Yeah, very painful on Nielix's nipples.
Okay.
Okay. Yeah, very painful on Nielix's nipples.
Up on the bridge, Ensign Kim would really like to get to the party.
Groundwork must be laid for whether it's the Delaney sisters or whoever he's going to get after and completing his entire shift is just eating into time that could be devoted to that.
He really is Benjamin R. Harrison teacher's pet in this moment to Tuvac.
And to Tuvac's credit, he kind of gets it.
I presume there's notable impatience, his duty or desire to attend the festivities
in holodeck two.
He gets what's happening.
He doesn't want to go to this fucking party.
He'll tell you that much, but he understands Kim's interest in doing so.
Yeah, Tufak has DIMO, which is delight in missing out.
Yeah. That's going to be my next two weeks, man.
I'm not going anywhere.
He kind of, he's happy to help Ensign Kim.
He gives Ensign Kim a job which is go check on something
around the holiday and when you're done,
you can knock off and Kim is nearly stepped off the bridge
when they come across some kind of an anomaly in space.
I feel like there should be a name for this, right?
When you're at a job and you get sent to do a task
that is actually kind of a reward. You have to do this like when you're at a job and you get sent to do a task that is actually kind of a reward.
But you have to do this,
like when I worked retail,
the best job in the world was,
oh, we're out of a thing we need to run the business.
Like maybe you should leave
and go buy that thing somewhere else.
And that was the best.
Yeah, yeah.
When I was a production assistant
on commercials and stuff, occasionally you'd get called by the production and say, hey, we I was a production assistant on commercials and stuff
Occasionally you'd get called by the production and say hey, we need you to like do a return tomorrow morning Oh, yeah, you know meant you had to get up at 6 a.m. and go pick up a van at a at a bonded parking lot and
Drop it off somewhere. Yeah, but they'd give you like a full day rate for like literally taking the van across town
So that nobody else had to do it.
That's the best.
It's so weird how you recalibrate the spell
that work puts on you when the work you're tasked with
is just a little bit different.
Like, it's still, you're still doing something
you wouldn't ordinarily be doing, but it's just different.
Yeah, it's a little, the variety makes it taste a little nicer.
Poor Kim isn't even able to step into the turbo lift before a
Star Trek episode happens. It's detected, dead ahead, it's glowing
gases growing ever closer. This did seem like something you might want
to not include in season one because it's just like oh a nebula that's gonna fuck up the holodeck
Yeah, we've had like five of those so far in season one right down in sundrynes the captain gets a radio from
Tofak
where he says captain we have encountered an unusual
We have encountered an unusual, uh,
uh,
canine, canine.
And then like through the wall of sun dreams,
this like gold tank busts through.
And everyone for some reason is playing a pickup basketball
game with very short hoops.
Yeah, yeah, but like everyone is there.
Like mystical is there.
Oh, man, you cannot have a pickup basketball game
in a music video without mystical.
You cannot.
So something is wrong with the radio.
Party has to cut short.
It really busts Neelix's nuts because he's gone through
the work of making the seven
layer birthday cake.
Yeah.
But that glottic from Paris just got to like roll out this huge unveiling of a gold locket
for Cass and Nielix is already kind of on his heel because he didn't get her a gift.
He just baked her a cake and then they don't even get to cut into this cake.
I want to just make some space around this comment because it's going to be pretty good.
Okay.
It's going to be pretty significant.
Okay.
Here comes a significant comment from Adam Prenica.
I actually side with Nelix on this one. And here's why.
It's not that it's a gift of any kind.
It's not even that it's jewelry.
It's that it's a locket.
Yeah.
That's a pretty intimate gift.
It would be intimate if it were pictures of yourself
in the locket.
I just think it's fucking weird that it's an empty locket.
I think you should probably, if you're gonna give a work
friend a locket, you should at least put pictures
in the locket and those pictures should be not of yourself,
but of like the person you're giving it to
and their special friend or whatever.
Yeah, of the interstaff fraternization policy
from the employee manual, just in miniature inside the locket.
Perchicote's new anti-freaders andization rules on the ship, you're only allowed to put pictures of
Chicote in that locket.
It's Chicote on one side and his spirit animal on the other side.
It's a weird gift.
I would feel very strange if a gentleman gave my wife a locket at a party.
I'm like, what's this about?
Here's the thing. I am definitely giving your wife a locket with pictures of Dakota inside.
God fucking damn it.
And then I will finally be the recipient of, you really think that's funny?
Who is that for?
And it'll be cool for me because I'll get to explain it to her later.
It's a gift for both of you. Yeah.
They have to split from the party. They head out to head back up to the bridge.
The communications issues are happening in the bridge also. So two Vox sends Mr. Kim down. He says, like, you
know, run down. See if you can find the captain in person and let her know what's going on.
And so Kim leaves the bridge and they don't run into each other. Who he runs into is a lieutenant
named Baxter. I've been trying to report a problem in the gym, but the calm system seems
to be down. Yeah. And we recognize this guy from his time in the six bay.
He's known as the ship's jock.
Remember him?
Yeah.
Yeah, I was suspicious of Baxter the second,
he started talking to Kim because he's like,
yeah, man, I was like, fucking thrashing myself in the gym.
I was working out so hard.
And then suddenly, the temperature controls went crazy.
So I was running up to the bridge to see what was up.
And I want to know exactly what form this workout took
because it seems like he must have showered and changed
before reporting the problem.
He's got a Scotty carrying his injured nephew to the Six Bay via the bridge
kind of urgency around this issue.
I have just as many questions as you do about Mr. Baxter.
This seemed so weird that I was like, okay, Mr. Baxter is being set up as like the alien
presence that is inhabited a character. Also thought that yeah, Baxter definitely embodies that quality of people who are very
enthusiastic about their fitness.
Off and half, which is they want to tell you all about it.
Right.
How are you going to find out that Baxter started CrossFit?
Yeah.
Don't worry.
He'll tell you.
Yeah, you see Baxter in the background of some scenes like rolling a giant tire through
the corridor.
But he like comes back a few times throughout this episode.
He felt like the most famous person that shows up
and act one of an episode of Law and Order S for You.
You're like, this is the fucking killer, you know?
It's interesting the visual language tells us this too,
but the visual language for him is a lie.
Like, like the angle on Walter Baxter is, this is a man of going concern.
Yeah.
You got to keep an eye on him.
Yeah.
And, and it's such a tease.
Also, I'm throwing no shade at the actor who plays Walter Baxter, but he just must be
a leg day guy, because they always shoot him from the
waste up.
I'm not getting a significant like Jim Rat read on him.
Yeah, maybe he's an alchardio guy.
Yeah, I could see that.
I'm an alchardio guy.
I don't, I, I, I burdened a lot of calories every day, but I don't look at it.
Baxter is an elliptical man.
You just take the vowels out, Mel have said, and it's a millennial gym.
Yeah.
Liptical man.
Yeah.
This conversation goes on and on.
Yeah.
Much like our conversation about Walter Walter Baxter.
I was like, what is the point of this?
And then when it ends, he's kind of like,
so should I keep working out or should I go to work
or something?
And Kim has to tell him, no, man, like you should go to work.
Yeah.
What is Walter Baxter's deal asking Ensign Kim
for advice about what he should do?
Because like Kim is a bridge officer.
He's got that cachet.
He's got that cachet and I guess he he's like kind of like a department head.
So does that kind of put him in charge in a way
that a lieutenant would have to?
I wonder if the vibe is like, you know,
you run into the person in the office
who isn't in management, like isn't the CEO,
but this person is the admin to that person.
And so you do kind of stiffen up around them
as if they carry some of that weight.
Lieutenant Baxter is a dude that knows
that nothing per pinks like per pink would be.
Harry Kim has the ear of the captain.
Right.
Your exact,
the actor doesn't get invited to McLaughlin groups.
No. If you want. Harry Kim does. get get invited to McLaughlin groups. No.
Is your one.
There you came does.
I think we figured it out.
Yeah.
In the turbo lift, Janeway Paris and Chico-te are en route to the bridge, but when they walk
through the door, they're on a different deck than they expected to be and they chocolate
up and they chocolate up to this comlink issue from before.
No, I think they chocolate it up.
Yeah. I think you were right the first time.
They chiquote.
They chiquote close the door and open it again.
It's still on deck four.
Very confusing.
We start to realize that the ship is all effed up
because we're just kind of cutting around
to different groups.
Nielix and Cass walking together
trying to get her back to her quarters after all of the
important people on the show had to run off to the bridge and they are lost.
It's interesting that we've seen this before, but it hits so differently this time.
Like, who is the name of that, the gassy asshole that wanted to watch people
fuck in TNG, Nagilum. Nagilum. Yes, yes, I wanted to watch people fuck. You remember, you
remember when they ran, they run into the other enterprise out there and they beam over
and it's like this, it's like Hall of Mirror style, big D, and the feeling was so spooky.
Like scary spooky.
I never get any spook vibes from this,
and there should be, right?
I think it's interesting,
because it's like not,
like I think that they beam over to that other galaxy class
in Nagelom's whole, wondering what the F.
And these guys aren't wondering what the F,
like it is slowly dawning on them
that something is strange, you know?
Yeah.
BLT marches into the galley
and starts shouting engineering commands
and everybody's like, man, this is a Wendy's.
Yeah.
We do a lot of cross cutting around the episode, just experiencing this moment through the eyes
of our bridge crew.
Yeah.
Neelix and Kess can't find their way home,
and it's not because they're drunk after this party.
BLT can't find a way to engineering the captain,
Chicoete, and Lieutenant Paris can't find a way to engineering the captain, Chicoete, and Lieutenant Paris can't find
their way to the bridge.
The only person that can really find their way where they're headed is Ensign Kim, who
has like been sent down to find the captain.
He made a beeline for the holodeck and makes it right there.
It's no problem for Ensign Kim.
I love how Baxter has also become lost.
And then he's found in the
Transporter Room by BLT.
Baxter who's just sheltered in place
in the Transporter Room.
He's decided that's where he's staying.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, I guess this is where I live now.
The Transporter Room.
If it was good enough for O'Brien,
it's good enough for me.
You really pulled an O'Brien there.
Yeah.
I wondered about that.
Like why does Kim have no problem?
But I guess it's that like the leading edge of the ship is what's getting distorted
or something like that.
This is what's so dicey about creating the rules of an episode this way.
You start to ascribe suspicious actions to a character
where no suspicion should be.
Like, I started to think that something was up with Kim too,
but no, he's just luckier than the rest
in finding his way to where he wants to go.
Yeah, and the doctor is the only one still there.
The doctor hasn't been able to transfer back to six Bay.
And Kim is trying to say like, okay, little hologram. I'm off to find the captain and the doctor hasn't been able to transfer back to six Bay. And Kim is trying to say,
like, okay, little hologram, I'm off to find the captain and the doctor is like, hey, don't
you think it would be good to have a chief medical officer in the six Bay in case people
start to get hurt with whatever is going on, which seems very strange. And Kim is like,
wow, actually, that is kind of a great point. Well, I guess I'll have to divert all my attention to that and not to finding the captain and alerting her to the problem.
The doc really takes a swing for Kim's dick for being in a refractory state with
SunDrain. Like, I thought he was hyper aggressive about proving his point here.
Yeah, yeah. The doc is not taking no for an answer.
Never get into an importance measuring contest with a doctor.
You're gonna lose every time.
Gonna lose every...
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At damn time. I've got tickets that lock them, get them all a bit of lodgem and cheer. I've got
tickets that lock them, we're not are selling ice? God. So pretty soon they've all kind of found their way back to
Sondreens and we have to have a McLaughlin group.
Yes you do.
Here in the bar.
And they're talking about this nebula.
It has become a distortion ring.
Distortion ring kind of magically becomes the name of this.
It seems to me.
I don't really remember when it was described as a ring
and it didn't look like a ring to me on the view screen, but they've all agreed that it's a ring.
It's like, okay, I guess it's a ring.
Indeed.
I'm enjoying your repetition of it as much as I did in the episode itself.
It's kind of the exocomp of the episode, right?
I'm like, what word?
I would have accepted it if I'd heard somebody say it's actually ring shaped.
I like the idea of, well, the gangs all here at the Hala Deck,
we might as well have a meeting there.
We got nowhere else to go.
Yeah, and they like push all the little cafe tables
together to make a conference table.
Yeah, the dock has a pretty interesting idea here.
Everyone's like, you know, that thing outside,
it's making our ship turn into one of those labyrinths made out of topiaries.
Oh, it's beautiful.
And the doc is like, you know, as a medical professional, I got to just throw out there that it may not be the ship that's changing.
But you're mad.
They may be hallucinating. This may be like electro-magnetic radiation that is acting on their optic nerve cells that they're
They're disoriented in some way music really does a lot to set the tone in moments like these and the music really takes a step back here because
as soon as the idea of
mental faculties being compromised is is dropped in the room there is not that chord of
is dropped in the room. There is not that chord of the crazy chord. You get in episodes of science fiction shows where the crew is about to lose their minds. Yeah, like a lot of flanging, high
frequency stringed instruments suddenly don't go crazy. I just hope when I reach advanced age,
I don't start to hear the flanging.
Yeah, that'd be pretty troubling.
I hope we saw for the flanging by the time that day comes.
There is a lot of horror movie math at play here, though, right? Cause it's like, let's split up and try a bunch of different strategies for getting
back to the bridge because that's what we want to do.
different strategies for getting back to the bridge because that's what we wanna do.
And so if they decided to go with a more horror movie tone
with the music, I feel like this would have felt
super risky, like, oh fuck, like they're all gonna be
like a loan in these hallways and like backster
is gonna start like stabbing people or something.
There is big, big fun to be had expression wise
in this scene when they start divvying up the crew,
particularly between Ethan Phillips and Robert Beltrein,
because the shot reverse shot of Nelix going,
I'm gonna go with Ticote.
That's how it should be.
And Ticote is like the kid who would rather not work
in the group project who would rather just write his own paper or whatever is not game.
We've really taken batting practice on the character of Shikote.
This moment, just the facial expression he makes in this moment when the captain asks him if he's okay with knee looks tagging along.
He's redeemed himself entirely.
He's my favorite character on the show now.
I really wish I could do this with my face
instead of the thing I usually do it with my face
when I'm displeased.
Like the thing that Beltrein does with his purse lips
and like kind of briefly widening eyes
is like funny and endearing where the face that I make
when I'm displeased is what makes people angry at me.
Neelix is not a card player, I don't think he reads.
Chico de whom this moment.
In the next scene we cut to Paris going to engineering with BLT and when they arrive,
BLT goes absolutely Robert Stack from Airplane on every person she sees, like giving out orders,
pointing things out, telling them they're staying late to work.
It's amazing.
It's like the phone, the mud, and get kicked in the head by an iron boot.
It's fucking great.
Even if your shift is over, you don't get to leave.
And so what they're going to work on is rigging up a site-to-site transport to beam themselves
to the bridge.
And there's a great moment of levity in this scene where she goes to a little side room
and engineering and opens the door.
And the door opens on a hunky, crumb and squirters.
And he's like in his boxer briefs, presumably either about to get in the shower or just out of the shower.
I mean, this is the guy that they should have cast as dude who was working out.
This is one of those moments in the episode that is so twisted.
In an episode that gives Robert Belchrand and Ethan Phillips, so much facial fun.
They give the guy in the boxer briefs nothing to work with.
Like he's in there, like he's not seeing PLT for some reason.
It's weird when they don't want to pay an extra
to have one fucking line.
Could they not have had him go like,
ah, like does that count as a line?
Like what does the union say about whether that's a line?
Yeah, I don't know.
I mean, I would like to be on the panel that rules.
On matters like that.
Did he go, or did he go,
ugh, because there's like more than one syllable.
And what's weird is like he's not in a state of nature
that would inspire the embarrassment
that we get from BLT afterwards.
BLT is acting like she saw this guy's hog.
When in reality, one of this was the one example of nudity in Star Trek and he was just hanging
dong like he was just standing nude in his quarters.
Yeah. She did that thing where she's like, Oh, sorry. And then like takes one last
look before she pushes the button to close the door. With the way the BLT is winging jobs
around the room previously, I really expected her to pull this guy into engineering where
he'd have to work the rest of his shift wearing a wet towel.
Yeah, totally. Get in here. We need you. Chicoote and Nelix are walking around together and
they are doing the walk around with tricorders and kind of get a sense of the shape of things
on the ship. Part of the strategy. But they are also having
a conversation about Nielix's jealous relationship with his special two-year-old lady friend.
Another great face take here for Beltrein, like a great face episode for him, for real,
because when Nielix asks him if he is a great stickman. Yeah.
Chico Te can't help but make the face.
The face of a man that may or may not be a great stickman.
Relative to you, Nelix.
I guess you could say I am.
Yeah.
It's big fun.
He grows more irritated with the line of questioning here.
But manages, I think, to dispense
him fairly good advice about jealousy
and how a person can combat that kind of feeling
in their relationship.
Do you have any idea what's going on?
Not exactly.
I thought this is fairly well written.
I did do.
I think it's interesting to, like,
think of Chico Te as somebody who has lived a ton of life
because we don't get much backstory
on him or at least we haven't yet. They've sort of treated his quote-unquote Native American
ness as all the backstory he needs, I guess, and his make-weseness. But like, we don't know
if he has a special person back home or what, and this kind of implies more depth to his character
than we've gotten so far, and I hope that they continue with that.
What if the reveal is that he just fucks his animal guide, and that's a secret shame?
That's why he wanted to get in that shuttlecraft and go far away.
My animal guide is actually just my left hand.
My animal guide is actually just my left hand. My animal guide is a furry. So they run into Lieutenant Baxter, another instance where I was like, okay, well Baxter
definitely has something to do with this.
We've now seen him three times.
They really stop on Baxter's balls when they leave.
Did you notice that Chicoate walks away from him mid-statement?
Yeah, yeah. Not a lot of love loss between Chicoate and backster.
Yeah. I think backster gets told to like head back to the mess hall and like tell
everyone to hunker down there for the for the duration.
Yeah. Maybe do some of the other people on this ship can help us right now.
So just hang tight. Maybe do some dips on a dining table in there or something. Yeah
They run into two Valk and this is an interesting scene because like we
We hear that like he's left Lieutenant Ayala in command who I don't think we know
He is clearly freaking out about this decision though like in a in a kind of emotional break
For the stoic Vulcan to Vak he has some
I thought I was gonna be away for like 120 seconds. Yeah, and that would be all I all I would have to grapple with
From a command standpoint, but I've been gone kind of a long time right now and like, it's Lieutenant Ayala we're talking about.
I mean, it might as well be Jordy up there running the show ready to separate the ship.
Yeah, so they're talking about this and they're like, all right, let's redouble our efforts to find the bridge and
Nielix has wandered off and he got
In another moment that with music you might think is scary, but is just like almost neutral in feeling.
They're not exactly worried, but they're not exactly not worried either.
Yeah, well, I mean like like Chico Tei turns to two Valkyries like do you think were rid of him?
Every like this is kind of nice actually.
And two Valkyries like this is pretty great.
And two of us is like, this is pretty great. Yeah, I mean, we really go from like the euphoric high
of losing a Neelix hanger on to the epic low
of having to navigate the Jeffries tubes for hours
on your hands and knees with Captain Janeway and Kim.
And what they're doing is a lot like what everyone else is,
they've got the tricoters on,
they're trying to drop digital breadcrumbs around.
They keep picking up this weird energy reading
that appears and disappears.
And this was maybe the most scary moment in the entire episode
because when your captain kind of pre-utilizes you
in a moment where there is no danger at all.
You've been one of the bright spots of this whole mission.
And you are Ensign Kim.
Right.
This would scare the shit out of me,
but I would start shaking if I were Kim in this moment.
Yeah, this is really bad for him.
Camton has some very nice things to say about him,
but in a way that really does feel like,
hey, this might be the last chance I have
to say something like this to you.
And then she opens a door in the jeffries tube and pops through and finds that her arm
goes all rubbery on the other side, like that rubber pencil trick.
It's a portal to a room full of nothing but Bezier curve tools.
Yeah.
The most difficult tool for me to use, a tool I've never learned how to use well.
At least you know how to pronounce it. That's pretty good.
Yeah, that's all I can do.
K-Mole Cruise take here is more terrified than painful,
and I thought that was an interesting choice.
Yeah, like that it was just that she was stuck
and couldn't get back.
Yeah, what's interesting is that she goes from terror
to pain because once she's pulled back
into the Jeffrey's tube by Kim,
she's like, oh, that was pretty scary stuff.
And then she doubles over in pain,
so she kind of gives two different
takes on the same situation and that part I thought was really effective, like rather
than doing the same kind of react two times a row.
And then she passes out.
Perfect black.
Make it yourself.
I'm trying to help you see this as an opportunity to grow.
Make it yourself.
This is when we cut back down to sundry's where the doctor is getting pulled in two different directions
You know, Sundrein wants to fuck him. He doesn't want to fuck her. He doesn't want to play pool with the pool shark guy
Sundrein has to resort to firing him from his bartending gig, which is a huge relief to the doc
I will find a new bartender. I really wish you would and enter Kim with Captain Janeway, who is unconscious.
Yeah, and I think Kess has made it back at this point.
So the doc has something to do,
but he has no tools to do it with.
I sure felt like a supernatural need
to push everyone to the holodeck in a way
that ended up being totally coincidental.
Yeah.
I felt like the ring wanted them in the holodeck
for some specific reason, but they just managed
to find themselves there as a location.
It seems like they just keep,
like that's the one place that you can reliably find
on the ship, where all the other places are,
it's like a maze to get anywhere else,
but the second you wanna go to the holodeck,
that's pretty easy.
Right, right.
We get a little debate between Tuvac and Jicote about like how to solve this labyrinth,
and Tuvac is using like conventional labyrinth solving logic.
It would appear that we're in a labyrinth.
Which Jicote doesn't really see as being the right choice here.
There's a flaw in your logic.
He doesn't think that the layout of the ship has just been changed to one new thing.
He thinks that it's like going through permutations or something.
And he actually proves this to Tuvak by calling his bluff and he says, let's split up.
Let's go our separate ways and they come around a corner and find each other almost immediately.
The years 2016 to 2020 proved that you cannot solve chaos with a systematic approach.
They find themselves back in the bar as do BLT and Paris who have attempted their site-to-site
transport and wind up beaming onto the pool table in sun trains. So everybody's back, baby.
Old stickman takes great umbridge with this.
Gaunt Gary, he is credited as. That's a real garbage pale kid name right there.
What is that about? Yeah, where's the trading card with Gaunt Gary on it?
Everyone is very concerned about the captain being down. And also Neelix
is missing, but like, let's say nobody's concerned about that. Let's just focus on the top
line problem right now. So they're like, well, listen, we've all been walking around
with tricorders now. So we've got a lot of spatial data about the ship. Why don't we
put them all together? See what the computer spits back at us and we get a wireframe graphic of the ship being kind of bent in all
different directions. It didn't really seem contorted enough.
It kind of dissolves into a wireframe of that man that BLT saw
stepping out of a shower
man that BLT saw stepping out of a shower. And then the wireframe kind of turns into a very detailed image of him like drying himself
off.
They all kind of turn and look at her and she's like, well, I was scanning a different thing.
Speaking of twisted. And out of nowhere, like, look, the picture of the ship on the computer screen is fucked.
It is bad.
But what they're describing and what they're seeing is totally incongruent because the
maze that the crew has been stuck in has been a ship-shaped maze. Yeah.
When what they're seeing on the screen is like a ship that has been smashed into a rock.
Like right.
It looks like when you stomp a soda can after finishing it, kind of level of crush-ness.
And I understand why they can't have constructed twisted bulkheads and you know, floppy floors and all the effects
having to do with the ring are Bezier curve effects.
Right.
But if that's the case, give me a different look in the wireframe.
Like, don't sell me on the twisted soda can when that's not what we've been living with
for the past 40 minutes of that episode.
I think that's a total art mistake, and what it should have been is like,
like the ship is made out of legos and the pieces are constantly going through permutations of what order they're in or something like that.
Yeah, if it's more Tetris-like, I think it could make more logical sense. Yeah. So they've got kind of two options that they start to discuss, and it's either find a way
to get to the navigational controls and see if we can fly out of this distortion ring,
or this thing with the warp core that they all agree could be like pretty dangerous if BLT doesn't get the math
Just right, but it's a techno babble solution that is like bringing the ship right up to the edge of exploding without
Exploding it and
This kind of turns into a power struggle between two Valk and Chico today like we almost go crimson tied in this moment
You have a watch doctrine what's interesting about two Valks
Like we almost go crimson tide in this moment. You have a watchdog train. What's interesting about two Vax
Argument is that it comes less from him believing his argument is right and more about his status with Janeway
Yeah, you know Janeway you would usually take my course of action. She often agrees with me
right and Chico today really has to
repudiate this forcefully in a way that I found very interesting. I feel
like he hasn't been asked to do that. He hasn't been asked to pull rank like that many times.
Yeah. It's...
You would have thought that that would have been a thing that, like, this is another
thing that feels like a season one thing. Like,, Chico Te have to assert his position in the hierarchy
a few times with some of the star fleets, because they might not accept his position naturally.
The pacing of this episode is so unusual because you get so many moments of conversation
and argument among crew people.
And then after this moment,
you cut directly to engineering mid-solution.
And it like, it seems so fucking dangerous
when we cut the engineering,
like it's Kim and BLT, like screaming at each other.
And they're like, we're gonna have to run like hell
to get out of the way of this thing once it goes.
47, 48, 49.
Let's do it.
What's scary is seeing people run real life fast down a cold door.
You never see that in Star Trek.
They don't.
They said it to go.
They sprint.
They duck for cover around a corner.
The thing goes, banger everywhere, but it didn't work.
It didn't do anything.
Yeah. And instead of it working, things really got worse. This ring warping is happening right outside their door.
Of course, it's locked in.
What?
This one to me, very careful, because I'm on the scene this once.
So if we get this moment where it's like, is this where it all ends?
It kind of feels like the barri-on sweep is gonna like find them in the end of the ship
and the end of the ship is Sundrian's bar.
And Tuvac kind of argues for, hey, like we have tried everything that we could think of.
None of the things worked.
Like we can't do the navigational
array thing anymore because it's inaccessible to us. So I think we just have to let this wash over
us and hope it doesn't kill us. Are you suggesting we just let it crush us? Precisely.
I feel like this scene could have used a backster. And here's why everyone's way of confronting their mortality here seems very similar or at
least related.
Like, I know that they're sort of doing things in a different way that's in keeping with
their own values or whatever.
But what we need is someone to freak out and no one does.
And I feel like Baxter would have been a great instrument for that
way of being because there's something just a little unbelievable about living in an entire
minute of an episode where everyone's just like, all right, this is it. Never thought
it would go this way but all eight of us are very chill in this moment.
Hey, like, I know I never said this to you, but working with you really meant a lot to me.
Yeah.
And if Maxter was like doing panic pushups in the corner,
like, gotta leave a beautiful corpse.
Right, right.
Right.
But it felt a little bit more real.
Yeah, it's very neat in a way that I think cuts against
what could be an extremely stressful moment in the episode, the climax of it.
I thought the special effect was really cool.
Yeah.
Which is like, you're seeing it kind of start to warp them in rows as it washes over different
members of the crew.
They get more and more warped.
And they really let this moment linger.
It's a very intense and long moment.
I think one of the aspects of the moment that was weird
was how supernatural it all felt.
In especially two Valkan parrises reeds
before the wave finally hits them,
they almost seem hypnotized or possessed by the moment.
And I just would hope that with characters were growing to know
that we would, you know, at their ultimate moment of truth, like we'd know them best
in that final moment. And they became even more inscrutable at the end in a way that felt
like a missed opportunity, you know, like, like, drop the veil.
Let me ask you a question.
Do you have a, do you know where the warranty card is
on the TV?
No, I don't.
The TV.
In case something happens to me, I mean,
there's really bad.
Is the kitchen draw by any chance?
And let me, let me know you utterly
when you're about to die.
And instead, it's like the feeling of it felt very,
very numbed.
The one thing that made me feel very confident
that nothing that bad was gonna happen
was that the captain, like every time they talked to her,
she's just like babbling nonsense.
It's going to be.
And it's like, I know that there are many more seasons
and episodes of this show, but the way you make me feel
like this is potentially
a mortal moment for all of these characters is not by having the captain have checked
out of the episode 15 minutes ago. Like if she was here saying like these are our last
moments together, that's where all of the impact would have come from. That is so right.
I'm thinking of all the movies and TV shows of the moment where the submarines going below
crush depth.
You see the captain.
It's the captain's stoicism that informs the cruise stoicism in that moment.
You're totally right.
The absence of the captain makes the cruise dewey system here feel unbelievable. Right. Or just like the laws of narrative
will not allow for this to be the end, because you wouldn't, you would have
needed the captain to be present for that moment. It's impossible to know.
But do you think you're a struggle to the very last second person or an except and relaxed person?
I feel like if I've got distortion wave coming toward me, I would not just stand off in the corner of the bar.
I'd be like, listen, like this thing, like there's no way for us to go. Let's fucking dive head first into it.
You know, let's get it over with.
I didn't think there was a third choice there, but that's really it, isn't it?
It's it's take matters into your own hands. Yeah, I'm not a I'm not a patient man
I'm not gonna wait for my entire party before being seated. I'm just gonna go
Headfirst into the distortion ring. We're a party of six. I can see a six top right there I'm gonna go say less. I know it's your policy. I'm gonna gonna go head first into the distortion ring. We're party is six, I can see a six top right there.
I'm gonna go, I know it's your policy, I'm gonna go sit down.
Tell me I'm wrong.
I can look out the window and see them parking right now.
Hahaha.
So they get through it.
Everything's okay.
They come back to the bridge. The ring is kind of leaving
with as little fanfares that arrived. They find that there's a huge amount of data in the computer
and also that the computer's database has been downloaded by an external source. So this was presumably some kind of alien species
or entity that was curious about them
and wanted to communicate and was trying to communicate,
but just, you know, it was too, too broad a gulf
of types of consciousness.
Most of the data was from Tom Paris's quarters
and personal computer.
Terrapides upon terrapides of video data.
There's some kind of file that got copied that is labeled BitTorrent.
What do you think that is, Tom? Well-capped and funny story about that.
Strangely, the largest files were included in a folder inside another folder,
inside a third, and fourth, and fifth, and finally a sixth folder called Tax Documents.
So they exchanged some porno with Som stand, they get on their merry way.
Oh, and Nielix shows up, he still has his cake.
Oh, yeah.
Boy, you think the bridge would be a lid on your beverages, no food environment, but there's
the seven layer being put at paracestation.
It looks like a great cake.
It's one thing to bring canopies up onto the bridge.
Are those the laryon cannabis?
But an eight inch thick, fucking layer cake
just seems like it's gonna get crumps everywhere.
It seems like the kind of cake you need to slice
an outer ring from.
And then there's like the inner mini cake
that you reveal from those outer slices.
Oh, yeah.
That you then cut again.
So we don't get to, we don't get any like button on the episode with them cleaning crumb
out of the instruments.
That's the end.
That's it.
That's the end of twisted Adam.
Did you like this episode?
I was prepared.
I often have this feeling, the equal and opposite feeling of like if everyone really likes
a thing and is hyper encouraging of me to see or experience it because it's so amazing,
I'll go in a little defensive. hyper encouraging of me to see or experience it because it's so amazing.
I'll go in a little defensive and not as open maybe to to to being dazzled.
The exact opposite is something that happens as well to me. If if something hates a thing, I will be more receptive to its positive qualities.
And that's what happened here. I also read that like people who worked on this
episode disavowed it. Yeah. And I found nothing here that bad. Like it's a clunker of an episode,
but it's not, it's not nearly the worst of breed in Star Trek or I would say even of Star Trek
Voyager episodes that we've seen up until now. No, it's not not in would say even of Star Trek Voyager episodes that we've seen up until now.
No, it's not in the bottom three of Star Trek Voyager episodes we've seen by any extent.
And I think that you could like knock this episode for like having a strange tone, like
missing an opportunity to make it more of a horror film or whatever.
But I kind of think that that's an interesting choice.
I don't understand the disavowal thing
as a response to having worked on this episode.
It might be my experience in production
that makes me feel this way,
but like when you read that they were eight minute short
on the app and that they had to do ADR
and that they had to like bulk it up in parts
to make it a serviceable episode.
I'm more inclined to defend it as a production challenge
than revile it as an episode.
And I don't know if that's just feeling empathy
for a group of people trying to make a creative thing
with these sort of challenges involved.
Like it sounds like it was a nightmare to make.
And when you're in a production nightmare,
sometimes the best you can hope for is serviceable
and serviceable in this case does not make it bad.
I understand if you were working on it,
how you would disavow it
because your experience doing it,
doing so was so terrible, but.
Fuck that, I hope we have more fun on the next one.
Yeah. That's where I hope we have more fun on the next one. Yeah. Or whatever.
That's where I'm at with it.
Yeah.
I feel almost exactly the same way.
And I wonder about the holding it back an entire season from air choice.
And like what that was about, like I can understand it if they were like, well,
this episode is such dog shit that, you know, we can't have it be one of the last few that people see this season because there's no way they'll come back
for season two if they see a turkey like this.
But it just didn't feel like a turkey to me.
Like, it's interesting how, yeah, like that experience of having gone through it must have
distorted everyone's opinion of it so much that, yeah, like I, like honestly, like on balance,
I think this is like, this is an acceptable episode.
You heard it from Greatest Gen, it's fine.
It's fine.
That line should be in the memory alpha
right up of this episode.
Adam had been from Greatest Gen,
reviewed it as, quote unquote, fine.
I would love to see our reviews of some things
end up on Wikipedia eventually.
That would be great.
Especially when there is hard hitting is fine.
Yeah, that's pretty brutal actually.
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I understand people that love our podcast.
People that think our podcast is fine.
I'm perplexed by. I understand people that love our podcast. People that think our podcast is fine.
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I really love the title ripped jeans. I think so often with a creative project.
Like if you can just get a fun title like that. So I'm not saying the rest of it
isn't work, but that's a big amount of work. You get that part of the work done.
I think the rest follows nicely. And ripped jeans is an example of this. I think it
says a lot about the creator when you can come up with a title like that
and maybe the tone of the work that follows.
Yeah, these are books that you can buy on Amazon.
Another example of an author promoting her work
on our show without giving her name out.
Her name is Wendy Gamble.
Check out Wendy Gamble's work.
So head to medsci missions that's
MEDci missions.wordpress.com
Check it out!
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That's the that's the Kako lightning card I can I can tell right right wow. I love a question like this
Yeah, there's so many cards out there very hard to pick a favorite. I think maybe one of my favorites is the series he did for the Crimson Tide Donor bonus episode, which is a series of cards that if you flip them over on the back, they all have a section of the Crimson Tide poster
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It's incredible how much work he's put in and and how it's always reliably very funny.
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You know, I really used to get along with folks to this time.
But I don't like voids, I don't like threats, and I don't like you.
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Hey Adam.
What's happened?
Did you find yourself a drunk Shemota?
A Red-o-mo-dunk Shemota!
So in Sandreens, we're watching Sandreens really throw it at the doctor, Doc holiday. And early on in the episode when when Kim enters the doc is
telling him what a hard time he's having with Sundrein. Sundrein, let's go of the doctor and
walks past Kim after kissing the doc and blows in his face. Did you notice this? I didn't notice that. Judy
Geeson makes a choice here into Kim in a way that is big fun and subtle but
hilarious in the moment. Like that's not on the page. That's a choice. Yeah. And I
love it. She's making the case for getting to come back
for subsequent episodes.
Yeah, so I'm making the owner operator of Sandrein's,
my drug Shimoda.
What about you, Ben?
I gotta give it to Chico Tei for that mug
when it becomes clear that he's gonna be teeming up
with Nelix.
Yeah.
That was a laugh out loud take for me, and I loved it.
Really great.
Really great.
Makes me hopeful for that character being more fun
if a guy to hang with going forward.
You know, it's interesting you spend a couple of seasons
just absolutely burying a character under shit. All it takes for redemption is a glance.
One little glance. I'm a fan now too. I like Chico Teigen. Yay. Good stuff. Alright, buddy.
Well, I get to fire up the Game of Buttholes, the Wheel of the Caretaker over at gach.biz
slash game.
And I also got to tell you about season 2 episode 7, Partarition.
Partarition? Partarition. Partition? Partarition. Partarition?
Partarition.
Partition?
Partarition, I believe that's a medical term
for making a baby.
Oh, let's get it down.
Yeah, Nielix and Paris must put aside
their romantic rivalry over Kess
after they crash land on a toxic planet.
Wow.
That planet is cancelled.
It is toxic.
Planet is a toxic work environment.
Partarition, the action of giving birth to young,
childbirth.
Huh, partition.
Why didn't they just call it baby?
That was the name of a very popular
justed Bieber song and they didn't want it to get confused.
Baby, baby, huh.
All right, Adam, we are currently on square 96
on the game of butthole.
I'm so nervous.
We will be deeply fucked if we hit that more in hammered, which we could.
We could also hit the nth degree via a space butthole that is right there on the board in front of us.
Both squares were equally unprepared for, I would say.
I have no cold beer in the house. Yeah.
And not enough beer for an n-degree episode
that we clearly used to do such an f, so.
Yeah, I like.
Please have a good, lucky roll, Ben.
I always enjoy an n-degree episode.
And I also really enjoy seeing people belly ache about an
n-stigry episode later. Yeah, that's always really fun. Big fun. But it does take a
little prep and we don't I don't know if I have time, you know. You're required to
learn as you play. Roll. Oh God. I'm closing my eyes. Here we go, Adam. Ah. Ah. Chula! Did I win?
Wow, I rolled a one.
Whoa.
Or on Square 97, on the doorstep of that butthole.
God.
How did I get so lucky?
Yeah, I think at this point, Adam, company policy, we both need to keep a cold six pack
on hand in the fridge for the foreseeable future.
All right, I think that's a good policy.
You never know.
You never know when a more enamored may strike.
Okay, but a regular old episode next week on the greatest generation.
What a relief.
You know what else is a relief at them
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Show would not exist without that support.
And we really, really appreciate it.
We also really appreciate the efforts of our buddy Adam Ragusia who who made the original theme music for our show, the Janeway song.
He also made the Cisco song, and it was all inspired by the Picard song by Dark Materia.
His work woven into the fabric of the greatest generation, year after year.
Much like a lattice pie crust that he might make on his successful YouTube
cooking channel.
Much like a multi-layered lasagna.
He got your ban audio track.
Well you want to put down a little bit of red sauce in the pan first and then you put
down your ban audio track.
Right.
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Yeah.
You want to finish it under the broiler bin because a little browned Benjamin R. Harris in an atom panic, a track on top can be very tasty.
Mm-hmm.
We got to think, Bill Tilly, our social media guy, a great friend of the show.
The garlic bread of the show, Bill Tilly, or social media guy, a great friend of the show. The garlic bread of the show, Bill Tilly.
I'd say.
Yeah, yeah.
It wouldn't be the same without him.
You'd be like, what gives?
Why are you serving me this delicious lasagna with no garlic bread to go with?
I'm looking at all this leftover sauce.
I need something to sop it up with.
You're telling me I don't have a Bill Tilly to drag through the sauce? Can you break?
Check out the greatest track social media accounts, Twitter, Instagram, Twitch,
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Don't forget that discord, man. DrunkShemoto.com.
Yeah. Where the discord happens.
Yeah, there's a Facebook group, some Reddit groups, and all kinds of places to hang out
with the friends of the Soto online.
Yeah, do it.
Yeah, get some reps with some strangers before you go meet them in real life.
That's what I suggest.
And with that, we'll be back at it in the next week with another great episode of Star Trek Voyager and an episode of the greatest generation that is
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