The Greatest Generation - The Bajoranchelor (DS9 S5E10)

Episode Date: October 21, 2019

When Captain Sisko enhances a piece of Bajoran artwork, it begins a trip of mind-expanding exploration. But when a lenient Admiral lets Sisko skip a drug test, it means he might not ever come back down from his high. Who decides on carpet for a holosuite? What does Quark’s Bar smell like? How long does it take to come down off of Spire Shrooms? It’s the episode that might agree with Kai Winn!

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I'm Ben Harrison. I'm Adam Pranica. Adam, you just mentioned to me that you've been to our PO box and picked up a bunch of packages. I've been PO box diving, Ben, and I've come up for air with four packages. Captain, I'm sorry to disturb you. I'm receiving a Code 47. Verify? It is Code 47, sir. Stockly emergency frequency. Captions eyes only.

When you came up for air, did you do that cartoon thing where you blow out of your mouth and like a, instead of a fountain of money like Scrooge McDuck, it would be a fountain of packages? It's a fountain of packaging peanuts that came out when I believe. Oh, cool. Yeah.

That was usually melt when I put them in my mouth. I like that they're made out of potato starch these days Yeah, better than styrofoam. I think that's good, but they are no less annoying to deal with Yeah, get everywhere Ben our first packages from Molly and she is from Philadelphia. Love Philadelphia We're gonna be in Philadelphia two days from now when the show drops so great timing Yeah, we're doing the dinner theater at World Cafe Live, so get yourself a nice meal. Yeah, it's a really fun venue. Molly has included some business cards for a company called Adopt a Trouble, the Trouble or Finarium. Oh! I exchanged some emails with Molly, I believe. The letter is alluding to what is inside. It looks like we've got a couple of mugs. I'm opening a mug and

yeah, yeah. The mug looks like a Wesley Crusher sweater and on one side it says my son and the other side it says the boy. Wesley the boy. The boy. Young Wesley Crusher. My son. They are beautiful Molly. That's right.

They turned out great. The letter goes like this. Ben and Adam consider these mugs. A token of my gratitude for completely ruining Picard and Wesley's relationship for me. If people want to find them, they're available at adoptatribble.com and everything in the shop is 10% off for Gigi listeners using the offer code. You guessed it. Scarves.

Wow. Looking forward to more of your finally crafted Dick and fart jokes live long and prosper Molly. Molly! That's great. Thanks Molly. Molly really gets us. Molly doesn't joke shame.

Also included in here are a couple of pins. Oh nice. These pins look a lot like the mugs and they say shut up on them. Shut up on top of the Wesley Crusher tunic pattern. So great job Molly. Great job making a thing out of a joke. We love that. Our second package bin comes to us from Jonathan Heffler.

Our second package or our Klingon package. Right. Yeah, the power position goes to Jonathan Heffler, straight out to New York, New York. He's from one of our beloved sponsors, Heffler and Co. The designer of our, of the Uxbridge, Shimoda corporate identity. Right, I wonder what could be in here. There's a letter on top.

Hmm, letter goes like this, I thought these might make a fun icebreaker keepsake for the friends of DeSoto at your next greatest GenCon. Either that or you can use them for your next 125 drunk of soads. Thanks for everything and best wishes from your loyal viewers at typography.com. Wow.

So- Yeah, it's actually company policy at typography.com to listen to the greatest generation, which their HR department has really been having a nightmare with This is so awesome then what we have here are Hundreds of coasters. Oh, man, and what the coasters say is the blue drink of blank and then hashtag greatest gen at the bottom So you can modify it to your own specification. They are a delight. I will totally bring these on tour with this. What a great thing!

And the coaster that Jonathan filled out himself said, drink the blue drink of gratitude. So Jonathan, our pal, the director of Heffler and Co. Thanking us. That's super cool. For all the hours of pod. Okay, so here's the second letter. PSI recently had the pleasure of taking part in a Netflix documentary called

Abstract, the Art of Design, for an episode about typography, which is dropping this week. At one point during filming the director and DP and I were talking about ideas for a practical effect and I summoned my inner Adam Prantica to suggest maybe we could use a split diopter. Wow. Cool. To his credit, the DP did not tell me to fuck off

and stick to drawing fonts, but instead asked, warmly, how do you know what a split diopter is? I confess that it had come up a couple of times on this podcast, I listen to, which is the one place I've learned all three or four things that I know about film production. Man, that is a, that is an embarrassing admission to have to make. Jonathan says, they're good guys with a sense of humor, so it's possible. You got a couple new friends into the so-toe out of the deal.

But also, it was a really great segue into talking about how you can love something while not taking it too seriously and how there are other ways to talk about things critically besides being deadpan earnest. Honestly, I really think this conversation about your show helps set the tone for the episode that we made together, which I hope you'll enjoy. And when I flip over the letter, there's a picture of looking down the barrel of a camera. It looks like they're shooting on a red weapon

and a split diopter lens. Wow! Hang off the end of the camera. Shot POV from the perspective of Jonathan Heffler. So, pretty cool story. Yeah, it's not all dumb stuff on this show. I don't think that you get a split diopter out of the rental place without having a specific plan to use it.

That's pretty nuts. I mean, I guess they're in Manhattan. There's like 10 equipment rentals in Manhattan. I guess you could probably get it on somewhat short notice if you really wanted it. Yeah, that is definitely not a part of the lens arsenal for shooting interviews. I'm thinking that your standard lens kit does not contain that. Yeah, yeah, and so I'm thinking this has got to be an owner operator situation and that guy just added in the bag. That's, but what a lens to have in a bag.

I know people who own whole lens kits and like there's no way anyone I know would ever own a split die after lens. It's rad. This is the, this is like the poster child for bringing all the things. Mm-hmm. Yeah, good point. Wow, thanks, thanks Jonathan for that. Really appreciate you and all the support you and yours have given the greatest generation.

Yeah, super cool. Much appreciated. Third box here Ben is from Perry from Honolulu, Hawaii. We remember Perry from Max Funcon. Oh yeah! Perry gave us some great edibles at Max Funcon and by edibles I mean treats from Hawaii to eat. And by treats from Hawaii to eat, I mean not filled with marijuana, just like academia nuts and other things.

Yeah, those were like, I mean there's something really special about fresh magnets from Hawaii and that was not lost on my wife. I mean, there's something really special about fresh magnets from Hawaii and That was not lost on my wife I just like put some of those in a bowl and I was I was snacking on them and she kind of just like idly walked by and and had one She was like holy shit. These are so good. They're legit get these from wow Perry has sent us a care package That is positively loaded with the good stuff two more mugs, Ben. We have a lot of mugs to choose from for tour this year.

This is great. Beautiful matte black mug here that says T. Earl Grey in Starfleet Burgundy type. Nice. Now we are getting to the foodstuffs. We have got Hawaiian tropical lavash, macadamian at lavash. Wow, this looks delicious. We also have chocolate chip, arare cookies. Is lavash the, uh, that lady that dated Captain Picard for a little while? Yes, yes it is. That's how he refers to her in French, right?

Sleeve of cookies here made fresh and Hawaii by the Ono Kookie Company. Kookie Company? KUKI. I guess it could be cookie. Then you better get your ass up here because I'm gonna eat these All myself. Oh finally, P.S. De resistance eat these all myself. Oh, finally, PS DeRezis Dance, two seven-ounce packs of premium gold roast, Kona coffee. All right. What's the roast tree or wherever? Lyon.

Lyon is the name of the roast tree. I actually went to a coffee farm and roast tree in Kona when I was on the big island many years ago and it's a really cool thing to go do. See how the coffee has made. I also got a couple of pin packs in here. It says commemorate the end and it looks like a pin for DS9, a pin for the next generation and an original series pin. Pretty cool. One free chivas and there's a postcard in here Ben. Postcard from our friend Perry goes like this, I hope that you are both doing well. Thank you again for all of the great content you produce listening to your podcast never

fails to bring a smile to my face. I have my fingers crossed, that all of the snacks, etc, made it to you mostly intact. I wanted to put more bubble wrap in, but the box wouldn't close when I tried. I packed you some of my favorites and I had to fend off the rest of my family to make sure that the snacks made it into the box. The pins are from this year's San Diego Comic Con, which my parents, who are way cooler than I am, went to! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Finally, I hope that you guys enjoy the snacks and please let me know if you ever have any requests.

I'd be happy to send more. Well, here's the thing, Perry. My request to you back in Max von Kahn is the same as it is today. Both Ben and I would love to do a show in Hawaii. If you know a place that would have us for such a show, get in touch. I think that'd be a lot of fun. We could do like the braid, a very brainy Hawaii- Greatest Gen show out there. Pretty great, thanks, Barry. That sounds like one of those shows that our agent would heavily discourage us.

Are you kidding? That's a show that our agent would help to book and then go to himself. That's true. Here's the thing, Perry, none of those cookies will live to meet Benjamin R. Harrison. Sorry. God dammit. I mean, they're made fresh. They're just not gonna last, Ben. I want somebody to enjoy them at their peak.

I wanna hang out with you more often. I think that would help. Yeah. Ben our final package. Address to Jim Shimoda Enterprises. It's from Curtis. Curtis is from Santa Cruz. It's the biggest box.

Letter on taps is high-band and Adam enclosed. Please find two novelty deep space nine themed beers. Whoa! I saw them on my local cost plus I of course had to immediately send them to you. I tried one myself to make sure it wasn't undrinkable. Hey, fix. Just in case I also included a couple of beers from one of my favorite local breweries. I've been a viewer from the beginning. And it's been really fun seeing you guys turn this into a real thing. Oh, that's really cool.

Wishing you great success and all your multi-podcast endeavors. Curtis from Santa Cruz. I love an OG. Yeah, Curtis has been with us from back in the day. Curtis did a tremendous packing job. I wish Curtis had said how they came across the show. That's like a like I got I brought you a box of chocolates I ate some. I drank one of the beers. It kind of makes me feel better about these not being poisoned. Contains, the sticker says.

What we got here is a foggy forest double IPA from discretion brewing and a 10 million flowers, a colch with orange peel and honey, also from discretion brewing. It looks like what we have here is a care package of beers from discretion brewing of all different flavors. And what I really like is that these are like tall boy cans. These are big cans. These are cans thick. Oh and I got to the Deep Space 9 beer bin. This is profit motive, hopped up golden ale from Quark's bar. That sounds great. And there's a bottle in here for you and a bottle for me.

I didn't realize Quark's Bar was a brew pub. Thanks Curtis. Thanks for giving us some new podcast fluid. And thanks for being a loyal listener. Wow, it sure is a treat to open up the mail from time to time. I mean, we have some very, very generous viewers, so thanks one and all who have sent us anything to enjoy. We are very lucky boys indeed. But are we lucky for having watched the episode? We're about to find out as we get into Deep Space 9, Season 5, Episode 10.

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I know. No one's ever found any lost cities though, right? That's not a thing. I've found a couple. Hard to take this episode entirely seriously because Ben Sisko does not know where to put the combat on his new uniform. Yeah, the new uniforms appear uncommented on. This is the the first contact vintage uniform and they open the scene with them all kind of like hunched over this painting. And so Benzisco's uniform is all wrinkled up in front as combat just edge on to the camera because of that. There is bad combat continuity throughout the episode and it's specific to Ben Sisko's

character. What do you think that's about? I wonder if his, because he's wearing the jacket vest combo that Picard wears in first contact. I wonder if it just doesn't fit him the way that it fits Patrick Stewart. And they're trying to mess around with how it does. I would call Hudson the shit out of that combat, though. I think you gotta, the combat just gotta be in the black.

I think that's my personal policy. Oh! That's what I'm saying. I think that's out of uniform. Keep it in the black. Nobody wears it like that. What do you mean no one wears it like that? The black is where it belongs.

No. I don't mean on the old uniform, it should be in the black. It just means that on the new uniform, the black is where the red used to be. Yeah. I guess, yeah, it's weird. Maybe they weren't sure what to do yet. I wonder when this was produced relative to first contact. Did we see this uniform in BS9 first?

No. It was a first contact uniform first, specifically, and they held them back until after the movie dropped for that reason. They wanted the first screen time for the uni to be on film. Yeah, I'm just scrolling through. It does look like people put the con badge on the black and like later episodes, Cisco as it on the black. I wonder what happened.

I don't know. It's weird. It's a lack of attention to detail that is frankly pretty shocking. Yeah. You would think when you get the episode where you roll out the new uniforms, you would be laser focused on how that comes across. And the fact that just the fact that they're all hunched over and wrinkled up when you first see them in this episode

is by itself a strange choice. And then the combat issue is strange on top of that. It's strange that the only direct comment about a Starfleet uniform that I can recall happened in Discovery when Pike's crew boarded Discovery in their TOS era uniforms. And like, you actually a dialogue about them, but yeah. But you never get in either TNG or DS9, like no one ever comments on the changing wardrobes

throughout the years when it's time to change. In generations, it's so weird because like it is almost random. Yeah. Whether the characters are gonna be wearing a DS9 uniform or a TNG uniform. Right. And it seems like their idea was like, we'll start to just kind of like slowly over the course of the film. Like different characters will start to wear the DS9 uniform. But it's like unmotivated, uncommented on and pointless.

Because they never follow that continuity in DS9, right? Like in DS9, the case is somewhat made that when you're stationed on a space station, you get the Dumpy DS9 uniform. But if you're on a starship, you get the TNG uniform. Right. But now everybody's got the same uniform. But also weird in this episode is that we see an admiral who's in a TNG era admiral uniform.

There is no way that deep space 9, a station that everyone knows is on like the in the Timbuktu of space, has been issued new uniforms before a fleet admiral. That guy's an Octopip. He should have the coolest uniform in the game. What we're saying is if you can just get past all of this uniform bullshit. There might be an interesting story here. The story starts with everyone crowded around this painting and it's a painting of the lost city of Bahala.

Yeah, strangely Valhalla sounding. Right. And everyone's pretty psyched about it. Psyched in the way that a group of six graders huddled around like a scholastic order form for books about the loss of Atlantis would be like, they're super psyched about this place. The, and like it's, I guess Cisco is kind of like pulled strings, right? Like this is supposed to be getting returned to Bage or from Cardassia, but he made sure that it's spending the night on the station. He's gonna hang it above his commode for the evening and then return it to its rightful place. It's a strange flex, but he's obsessed with the idea of finding this city.

The issue is that the painting depicts an obelisk in the center of town. The obelisk is foresighted, and there's a few symbols on each side. You can see two of the sides, but you can't see the other two sides and therefore the information on those symbols which would tell you the cosmic location of this city are indecisive, there's just not enough information. But Cisco is the only person in 20,000 years to realize that a third side is reflected in a waterfall. Magnify the tool. He does like that kind of like the Decker scene where he's got the computer enhancing the image

and it can kind of see around corners a little bit. Hahaha. Finally, a Decker reference on Greatest Gen. Hahaha. Do you remember when we went to Star Trek Las Vegas, the guy in the pool that looked exactly like Decker? No. I think he was so close to us in the pool that I didn't want to do that.

Hey, look at that guy thing and then have his cover blown. But there was a Decker in the pool and he had the totally slick back hair and just that look, the smirk. That's amazing. Cisco rents a hollow suite for purposes non-sexual in nature and sets up a recreation of this obelisk. And this is something that we've seen them do in TNG,

like in Skisjums. Right? TNG like in Skisjums. Right. They like put together the operating room that they've been waking up in. Yep. By just kind of like talking the computer through it. And he gets the obelisks up in kind of like one half scale and is just working tirelessly on decoding the location of this place. Knowing what we know about what happens in a hollow suite, whose idea was it to put carpet

in them? Because that's something something court could have addressed if he felt it was a problem. You're not sleeping on the floor of a hotel room and I'm not laying down on the floor of a hollow suite. That's for sure. Yeah. Good Lord, Ben Cisco. That's filthy.

Gross. But yeah, Quirk comes in. He's, I guess Quirk is trying to close up shop and Cisco has been in there and it's 3am. 3. Already? And they go to shut the thing down and some word-flightening catches Cisco and he gets knocked up and it's never really explained what precisely caused this word-flightening. Like quirkets in trouble for having failed to observe the scheduled maintenance

on his hollow suites, which given the carpet and what goes on in them, I imagine is a very important thing to be doing. But he tries to brush it off on a brine, but it seems like the worth lightning was more supernatural in origin, but they never really come back to that. I think that's a great point.

Everything after this holds together is some sort of vision or vision that Jason thing that's happening, but this is actual practical war-flightening. Right. Did the obelisk cause it? Did the like representation of the idea of the obelisk in the computer cause it? I think that's what we're meant to assume. Yeah. I don't know. I Yeah, I don't know.

I just, I don't love that. Whenever Quark calls the infirmary for a Hollis suite emergency, do you think that they show up always holding prviopism drugs? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Bashir says Cisco has post-neural shocks in Drome. And it's a thing. It's like he's rolling, right? Like, he's seeing all the colors and lights more intensely. They sent Warp right back to work after he was shocked.

That's true. K-K-O-2, for that matter. Yeah. Yeah, they're being a little more careful with Ben Cisco. Yeah. He seems like he doesn't really give a shit what Bichiro is saying to him, right? No, he's a little blissed out. And I think that that's a weird choice also.

I was at two doctor's appointments yesterday and they were, I got prescribed some pills I have to take and like no fewer than three times, did they like make sure they were making eye contact with me and say like, you understand, you have to take this every day, right? Like, and Bashir doesn't seem to care that Cisco is definitely not paying any attention. Mm, you know?

Yeah, it's weird. Cisco is having like the close encounters, pre-occupation phenomenon. Right. Like he goes home and Jake is making dinner and... Mash potatoes! My favorite! Cisco is unable to get it up for the idea that Cassidy Yates is going to be returning.

You two hands something together. I just don't know how to make! Yeah, Cassidy Yates out after her six month sentence for collaborating with the Mucky. Make a wish? Yeah. Six months. Huh.

Good for her. I thought that this was so interesting because all of my cultural association with this was like, wouldn't it be like a politically terrible look for him to associate with her at all, given the fact that she has ever had anything to do with the Machi? Yeah.

And then I was like, oh, well, I live in a society that doesn't believe in rehabilitation. And it looks like Ben Sisko lives in a society that does. Like, the idea that she could go server sentence and make good with her society and then come out and it's not actually like a cloud that hangs over her for the rest of her life is actually aspirational.

Yeah, I wonder if she's wearing an ankle bracelet or anything though, like is there, like she's been released, but is there some sort of like monitoring situation happening? I want to know a little bit more. Yeah, is she, does she have a PO that she has to report to periodically and she's like, not allowed to leave the station? I mean, this is all interesting world building that I sincerely would like to know more about.

What is the entire judicial process within the Federation when it comes to crime punishment and rehabilitation? Right. Ben is getting back to working on his obelisk and he's back in the hollow sweet, computing away on this when he gets a phone call from Admiral Wattley. You know Tim Wattley. That's the stars.

This OctoPep, who has some pretty momentous news, Bajor is entering the Federation. Excuse me? I mean, do a certain degree this show has been building to this moment from the start, right? Will they or won't they? It sure has. Yeah, I mean, like, that was one of the many adventures that was set up as

myth arc in the first episode. I think that one that they've kind of abandoned was like all the orbs of the prophets being collected. There's definitely not like a legend of Zelda, like we got to go to the eight dungeons and get the eight orbs. Yeah. Thing going on at this point in season five, but for sure they are doing the, you know, bejewer, will they won't they enter the federation? 106 episodes into DS9, and we finally know who the bejorant Schiller is giving the rose to. It's the rose to. It's the federation.

Yeah. Yeah. Corks had 106 episodes to prepare and he gets the wrong banner out. Welcome, Kligons. Not that one. I love that. Yeah. He'll have to try and see if he can get it right on the butjorn chiller in paradise.

The UFP glassware was broken out. They were everyone's drinking out of the new glasses. So you got that right? That's cool. Were those just the donation glasses that he got when he got kicked out of the Ferengi Commerce Authority though? That was what my head Canon was thinking like we... All this background and soft focus stuff,

we need some confirmation about. Quark definitely, I bet Quark's bar now smells like a vintage store, you know, like everything is second hand in there and it has that smell that is unmistakable, that comes from a second hand store. It just smells like old box. Hahaha.

Daxon Quark here asked Kira how she's feeling and this is a question that really should be asked more often I think. Yeah. You know five years ago I didn't think Federation membership was right for Bay Jor. She's come around on the idea though. Yeah. This is complicated for her for a lot of reasons. Reasons that she's fairly good at articulating. It's weird, and it's gonna be weird. And that's okay. Like sometimes you say yes to the bejurentchiller,

like on camera, during the season finale, but then when the show is over, cooler heads prevail. Right, in the intervening months, you realize that this was not a great life choice doing this all on a reality show. And that's fine. Yeah. Curious, smart. She's going to turn it into a reality show of her own.

Yeah. I like that this is a really jovial hang for everybody. Like, wharf is actually in a good mood. Yeah. It's just a pretty exciting and unusual situation. Yeah, because he's usually the Debbie Downer of any social event. Right. Like, if anything, Kira is the most down character, but she's even like looking forward to this.

Right. And she admits like in the like five years that I've been working with you guys and specifically with Captain Cisco, like I've come around on this. And they're like, hey, why speaking of Cisco? Where's he ahead? And he is still up in the hollow suite. And you know, this would be very worrying. If you knew that your boss was locking himself in a room, obsessing over his obelisk like this, you would have some concerns too. But unlike Kira, you might actually knock before just walking.

Yeah, Hollisweed addiction should be taken a little more seriously than it is in this episode. I agree. Cisco is really starting to talk a little crazy here. He's having visions, visions of the past and the future. Yeah, when Kira locks in, he is not present at all, and she has to like literally shake him out of it, and I really love how like explosive Avery Brooks' performance was when he comes back to reality. And what they talk about is that he was like experiencing like a waking dream that they refer to as a pot-hem-far.

A sacred vision. He was, I guess, having like an orb experience, Sons orb. He was having tantric orb. Yeah. This is a moment in an episode where the rules are different when you're the emissary. Because if you are Dr. Bashir sitting a Kimbo beneath the Bahala monument and talking this kind of shit, I think you would probably be taken to the infirmary and taken off duty. Right.

And any number of things, but. Yeah. Cisco gets different treatment. Yeah, I think that's a good point. Like the emissariness of him means that Kira leaps to different conclusions about what is going on. And I think it's crucial that it's Cura that finds him, right?

Yeah, exactly. She's always going to be more deferential to a faith-based explanation for what's happening. Right. Even though that answer could be dangerous to people in the real world. Yeah. I thought that it was very interesting

that they don't ever solve for what is going on with him. I mean, he gets worse and worse over the course of this episode, but it leaves unanswered whether something transcendental would have happened to him if they would have let this thing run its course. Yeah. Yeah. Just in case you were feeling good about yourself or your circumstances. Never. Here comes Kai-Win to piss in your cereal.

And Kira greets her at the airlock. It is. Kati as usual. I see working beside Captain Sisko all these years as had quite an influence on you. Yeah. Uh, she's, she's pissed that Cisco isn't there. She feels like she's being snubbed by the MSAry. Kai Wynn is joining a club there like everyone's getting snubbed by Cisco this episode. Yeah, I think she's also salty

that Bay-Jour is entering the federation. And she kind of speaks to the position that Kira had at the beginning of the series, which is we've only had five years, we need time to be our own planet before we become a member of this huge interplanetary consortium. Right. It's like when you break up with someone, you need to take some time to figure out who you are before getting in a new relationship. Yeah. It's like when you break up with someone you need to take some time to figure out who you are

before getting in a new relationship. Yeah, I mean. Bezure needs some me time. I guess so. Are you saying something out of... No, I'm just saying that sometimes when you go on the bejurentchiller, maybe you're not ready for that kind of commitment.

Yeah, well, I think that that's... You shouldn't go on the bejurentchiller to begin with if that's for that kind of commitment. Yeah, well, I think that that's... You shouldn't go on the Bajor and Schiller to begin with. If that's not the kind of... If that's not the kind of commitment you're prepared to make. Bajor just wants to be famous. That's the problem. Yeah, you make that decisions. Bajor wants to be on TV first and foremost.

Uh-huh. I love to hate Kiwin. Yeah, that's what she's there for. She's great. I'm a rain, come to a Ford, I'm a rain, come to a Ford. What are you doing, what are you doing? What are you doing now? I'm a rain, come to a Ford.

I'm a rain, come to a Ford. I'm a rain, come, not becars, not becars, not becars, not becars. Exactly. Back in the Hollisweak, Cassidy Yates walks in on Ben Sisko. Yes, it is. Jake said I could find you here. She is surprised that Cap and Sisko is happy to see her, but it's not that he is, he's just sort of coasting off of spire shrooms.

And that thing happens when you come back from a place that you've been for a long time and all you want to be is home, but you're coerced into leaving again and doing something else and Cassidy is like, I didn't really want to go on a trip to Beishore. I just got out of jail. It would be nice to sleep in my own bed. And Ben says, like, no, it's gonna be cool. Let's get in a run about and go. There's so much in this scene that is like baffling

because like you can tell that she's a little bit relieved that he's blissed out on Obelisk. I didn't know you'd be happy to see me. Because it means he's not rejecting her upon her return. But then he also says like, oh yeah, like your quarters are exactly as you left them, which is something that he didn't have to do.

Yeah. That's a pretty sweet gesture on his part. Yeah. Would bespeak that he is going to be prepared to welcome her back with open arms. But because he's blissed out on obelisk, you can't separate the variables. You don't know whether or not that was in fact where he was at emotionally.

Yeah, and Cassidy knows none of those, basically. Right. She just thinks he's just cosplaying as Captain Picard doing some artifact theory. If your Cassidy Yates, you're also relieved that Captain Cisco still has affection for you in a way that is welcoming and kind. Like she sort of walks into the room a little bit on guard for what she's going to find and that I think she's more willing to forgive a weird road trip at this point because it's related to the idea that she's been welcomed back into his life.

She has relieved enough to go to the Star Trek caves with him. They're deep underground. He uses a phaser to cut a giant hole in a wall. And there on the other side of it is the ruin of the obelisk. There it is. Bahala is in the Star Trek caves. It was there for 20,000 years.

It was there the whole time. It would have been great if this had been an Easter egg like in all previous Star Trek caves like the episode were Picard and Worf and Dr. Crusher were ninjaing through the caves. A very eccentric set construction guy. Yeah. It just happened to walk by an obelisk.

I wonder what that is. Well, who knows? We cut back to the security office where Odo, Warf and Kira are arguing over quarters for the visiting Starfleet brass, like it's the seating chart for a wedding reception. Yeah, you can't sit, Edmroll, and Anne next to him because she hates him. Neche of sits alone, right? I think she gets like in the center of the day.

Neche of probably leaves before the music starts, right? The dance portion of the evening? She says she's mysterious but very dignified. Kai-Win interrupts the proceedings and wants to talk to Kira about Cisco. She has some pretty serious doubts about whether or not Cisco will forgive her for doubting him. Seeing as how the whole bejurentular thing is coming to a close, she is focused on the conclusion to the Beijor story in a way that few others are because

she's low-key wondering what her role is going to be in a post-Federation, Beijor relationship. In a way that I wonder why Kira wouldn't or Bensisco himself doesn't express up until now. Everyone's life is going to change. Yeah. After this membership happens. She's such an interesting character because I kind of get this sense when I, you know, like the leaders of big religious organizations often read to me, you know, if I hear them talking on the news or whatever, is somewhat disingenuous in a way. Like I almost wonder sometimes if religious leaders are people who are so scared of their own lack of faith that they kind of like overcompensate

by becoming leaders within a faith tradition. And I think that that's kind of what Kaiwen is. And then she's faced with direct evidence that Cisco is what everybody says he is. Yeah. And that causes kind of a crisis for her, because she was happy to kind of play the game as long as there was no, I mean, she was really thrilled

when there was that other guy that was the profit for half an episode. Cause she could kind of push him around. Yeah, I mean, religious leaders really live in an area of certainty edging, you know? Yeah, so I, I don't know, I thought that was a really, like, great timing in this episode, where you see her in the kind of pre-discovery of Bahala State, where she is a little bit pissed that she has to deal with Cisco, and now she's like, fuck, I hope Cisco doesn't announce

that I'm not the Kai anymore or something like that, because it would be pretty hard to argue with him at this point. Kira and Kai's conversation is really interesting because Kira kind of falls into a conversation trap that results in Kai win taking great umbrage with the idea that Kira doesn't believe Kiwin's sacrifices during the occupation are equivalent to Kira's. I was in a Cardassian prison camp for five years

and I can remember each and every beating I suffered. It's a more resistant than thou kind of argument that they have, and it's awkward, because I don't think Kira really recognized that Ki-Win also made sacrifices, and she was in prison while Kira got to hold a gun. Like those are two very different situations during the occupation, and they both deserve recognition

for what it means a person has lost. I agree, but also, Kiwin is a scold and will never miss an opportunity to scold somebody. Yeah, exactly. Like, I think that it's reasonable for Kira not to think of Kiwin's experience as being equivalent. Right.

At the excavation site, admirals are starting to show up. And this is a situation that's like when friends or family are coming over for dinner or something and you're in the basement playing video games when they show up or playing with your obelisk, whatever, whatever you're up to down there. I was surprised you went on the station when I arrived. He should have been there to greet. he wasn't and so Admiral Wotley beams down Feeling a little bit insulted by it. Yeah, and this is another extraordinarily lenient boss who like Cisco is really ranting and raving and

Really preoccupied with what he's doing. He's like I'm not coming back to the station. I'm doing some Some shit where we have to sign some papers like That's not what I'm interested in right now. I'm interested in this. And I don't know what he is like. He expresses that he's a little bit dubious about this, but also, he's like, all right, well, give it another couple of days. I'll give you some time. I mean, maybe Ben Sisko is a lot like Captain Picard with the archaeology.

Maybe I should allow this to play out. Maybe we'd have two Picards on our hands. Alright, that would be pretty great. Love me some Picard. You're right though. Ben Sisko's head is not in the game and it is a cause for concern at this point. Admiral Wattley is lenient, but this goes on notice here. Wiley's under a lot of stress, but it's like the kind of stress that an admiral should

have the capability of dealing with. He's saying like, you know, getting Bage or into the Federation was one thing, but now we have to bring the entire Bajurian militia into Starfleet. We've got to have elections. There's lots of politics that needs to be seen too and it doesn't seem like that is a like a key man situation where without Ben Sisko, they can't accomplish it. Basically, the only thing Wattley does is order a physical for Sisko. A physical that Sisko is 90 minutes late for. Because he is continued to see colors more brightly and he's also like getting periodic headaches and stuff.

Kinda little personal bangers are coming a little bit faster and more frequently. We cut to the exterior of the infirmary and Cisco is kind of waiting through the Bejorn population doing that weird John Edward style psychic medium trickery. There's no need to worry. The cut-up hot harvest will be much better this year.

Yeah. He even street magics Admiral Wattley, that's it. Yeah. How the hell did he know that Kevin and I weren't getting along? He's the MSR. I'm surprised he didn't take off his action jacket and Benny Hinn a couple people. Yeah. Admiral Wiley like spits out orange soda. How did you get it in my mouth?

Please stop you demon. I don't know. It seems like he is like seeing things on a higher level right? He like walks up to that bit. You're in guys like you don't belong here, go home. Yeah. What does that mean? Just go home for now, go home forever.

Am I allowed to leave? Yeah, that part was great. It kind of reminded me of the guy of the false prophet guy. Yeah, but Ben Sisko doesn't have that kind of insight. He's too blissed out. Yeah. The sheer examin' Sisko again, and Sisko is going on and on

about this vision, about locusts and clouds, and Wattley is not a believer, safe to say. New, I'll tell you what's up. I'm a Jew. They do the like, the thing where they like stick stuff to his head. They're putting him through the medical ringer and he wakes up and has had a pretty terrifying nightmare about like locusts clouting over Beijor and then heading toward Cardassia and Wattley's like, hey like dreams aren't always on and always literal.

I love Wattley trying to talk sense to someone who is clearly tripping. Yeah, the chill out tent does not go well enterprise. No, that's not. Morning, morning, morning, Steve, sweet, morning, morning, morning. Do you hear everybody? Morning, stop, have a tie.

And this sort of starts to set up a choice, a dynamic wherein Cisco is going to have to choose between visions or death, because the shears says, like your brain is starting to fall apart. Like, I need to do brain surgery to repolarize something, something, something. Your basal ganglia, starting to depolarize,

I'm going to have to operate. It all sounds like, something, something. Your basal ganglia, starting to depolarize. I'm going to have to operate. It all sounds like, like, Jordi talking about an engine the way Bishir is talking about Sisko's brain. Bishir is like, now I could lobotomize you. It's something that I've done very often on the station. Bishir is like, now I could lobotomize you. It's something that I've done very often on the station.

Bishir is like, now I could lobotomize you. How would you like to be someone else with a new name and a new face? We've got this old cling on here who's willing to go with the pretense that you're his son and you've lost your memory. We pan over to a CRT TV, VCR combo. Vissier pushes in the tape and it's it's current on the screen. He's like, how would you like to leave your

past behind and assume a new identity? The dishonor of your family is no longer your problem. With the Bashir method, you will leave your problems behind. Dial the number at the bottom of the screen now. For four easy payments of 49, 99, the best year method, 10 B.Rs. Fishy is like, so what do you think? I can put you on the schedule tomorrow. It's life threatening like if Cisco doesn't agree to the surgery he could die without it. That's the point. But the cost is removing the ability to have the visions and so that's the conflict. He talks that over with Jake and Cassidy,

who suddenly just feel like the family, you know? Like Cassidy is just back integrated into the family unit and she and Jake are arguing for like, yeah, like don't die. Don't let this thing melt your mind. Like we need you here. Look at Jake, he's 18, you know, like watch him become a man and be like a be an adult. And and Cisco is like, no, like I feel like this whole this is like my new child and I want to see it grow up instead.

The insanity of Ben Cisco's resistance to surgery and the idea of losing these visions, I feel like could be helped with dialogue a little bit because like we understand the context of Bahá'ala as being a lost city and whatever, but we don't really have a way to place it in the greater context of Ben Sisko's being the emissary or putting it in a religious context. Like it just feels separate from his emissary or putting it in a religious context. Like it just feels separate from his emissary-ness and the religion in a way that makes it feel

like this totally separate idea. And so I could get on board with the idea of Cisco being willing to die for an orb or for something having to do more closely with him being the emissary, but this seems archeological in a way that never seems worth it, you know? Like it seems more academic than religious, and that's where I'm hung up. I guess if this last city had been an established thing, then it might have been easier to make that leap, but because we never heard about it before, it feels a little bit contrived. It wouldn't take much to uncontrive it, though.

Yeah. Anyway, that's why I mean, like you can feel the script trying to put you in the position of the middle, but I was never in the middle of this conflict. I was always seeing the insanity of Ben Cisco choosing to possibly die over the visions, you know? Yeah, and I think that, like if this episode was putting you in the position of agreeing with Kai Wynne, that would be such a more interesting tension.

Right. Like, ugh, I don't wanna to be on her side. What? Yeah. I never, I'm never on her side. This is uncomfortable and weird. Jake and Cassidy's efforts to get through to him are insufficient because Cisco talks about holding the universe like a baby.

He is gone. Totally loco. For loco even. He's got Torin, Garana, caffeine and alcohol. He's too crazy for the bejorinsular. Like, like the producers are going to have to sit him down. I didn't think it was possible.

Yeah. I didn't think it was possible. Yeah. And what's worse is that Kai Wynne is being taken it upon herself to help Captain Sisko in his journey. And that's always a bad sign because what Kai Wynne wants is often not what is best for you or our favorite characters. So she's like praying while he is orbing. And then while he's still orbing,

she attends the ceremony where, you know, momentous document admitting Bage or into the United Federation of Planets is going to be signed. And the admiral is like, oh, like I feel a little weird, you know, starting this without him. But I guess if you say so, Kai-Win, and Cisco comes like stumbling

in the door like, it's too soon! Bees are almost not doing the veneration! If it does, it will be destroyed! Yeah, and if one side of the conference room table are full of religiously-minded bejorans who are already a little bit reluctant to make a decision like this. A staggering, ranting and raving bensisco is the thing that finally makes them full-on pushback from that table. Yeah, they set their fork down and put their napkin down on top of the lasagna. They are not going to eat anymore. This didn't need to go this far because if the sheer had Dr. Beverly Cresher's sense

of agency, like Beverly was relieving the card of duty all the time. Where the hell is Bishir on this? He basically turns to Cameron and shrugs his shoulders. Yeah. The question falls to Jake. What to do? Yeah. Jake's got power of attorney. Yeah. Dad's nervous system is depolarizing. Zico passed out, not wanting this surgery, and Jake decides, no, like we got to save his life. We got to do this. And this is a pretty powerful scene for Sir Ocloft

and he's definitely rising to the emotional challenges that this presents, I feel like. Yeah. He is often asked to grieve for his father, you know? Cisco death is a frequent theme. Yeah. And it's, yeah, he's good at it at this point. Jake chooses the surgery because he's not an idiot.

Do what you have to do. Prepared for surgery? Yeah, he's been raised well. Like, he's emotional because it's come to this. I don't think he's emotional because he's having a hard time making a decision. Right. So, well, while that's going on, we get another scene with Kira and Kai Wynne, and Kai Wynne feels like the doctor doing this surgery is another example of the federation kind of meddling in pejoran religious affairs. Kira makes a pretty interesting counterpoint to this though. I think it's the thing that faith-based people have to confront fairly often. Like, are you a cafeteria faith-based person? Or do you believe all of it? Because Kira's like, look, maybe this is part of the plan. All of it. Right. Maybe the plan wasn't a straight line. Maybe it's a bunch of zig-zags. Yeah, you can't know. This of course is unsatisfying to Ki-win, because Ki-win only cares about winning. I suppose you heard that Bezier will not

join the Federation today. Yeah, she says like, at least before I knew who my enemies were. And that's such a weird way of thinking about what your role in the world is when you're a religious leader that's, you know, yeah, he would think that like your primary preoccupations would be like helping people practice their faith as well as they can and not considering yourself as you against the world and you're picking and fighting enemies. I think a great piece of dialogue that says a lot more than it appears to at first glance. Now we get an elliptical edit

and Cisco comes to in the infirmary. He is distraught because he knows right away the visions are gone, the colors are back to normal. He's done tripping. You took the voices out of my head. And Cisco's office later, Wattley asks him to convince the bejorns to come back to the table and join the Federation. Interesting choice by Wattley.

Like do you really want Cisco to be to come back into that conference room? I don't know. I might transfer Cisco if I'm Wattley. But that's sort of his point. He's like, you know, you're so important. You are the emissary. If you were anyone but the emissary, I would have transferred you long ago. Like it's sort of, this is your situation. You're married to it to the end. The like, Starfleet doesn't feel like they can do anything to move Cisco anymore. And

that sucks for them because he's now gone directly against their orders of shepherding the bejurins into the federation. But it's like they're looking at the possible consequences here and they're seeing nothing but bad and it's just degrees of bad, right? Because while they know Cisco is acting against their interests, they know removing him would be even worse because by taking the emissary off the game board, there's no fucking way Bezure would participate in the bejurentchiller. Do you think Wotley places any stock in Cisco's fear? Because I don't know if we've even said it, but the vision that Cisco's had is that if Bezure enters the Federation now, it will mean the destruction of Bajor.

And it's not entirely clear what will precipitate that destruction, but it's just not the right time for Bajor to enter the Federation. And I wondered, they definitely don't address it in the script. So I wondered if there was meant to be an implication that is unspoken, that Wattley actually places some stock in that. Yeah, I mean, because Cisco definitely doesn't say no, he just says later. Right. The button on the episode is in Cisco's quarters and Cassidy and Jake have prepared the welcome back dinner

that it was Captain Cisco's job to make to begin with. Jumble has always a great way to end an adventure, I think. And in your case, I guess it's a way to start a whole new adventure. Haha. And an elementary adventure. Now it's kind of a welcome back to Ben Cisco. Welcome back to the real world.

It's a case of stolen welcome back valor, Ben. It's not fair. But the episode ends with Jake Cassidy and Ben's hands all clutched around each other. Yeah. You really want to do this here. Now, OK, OK, let's do it, do it. Did you like it?

I might just fall into the category of people who aren't super interested in the Bejoren religious episodes of Deuce Base 9, and I know there are a lot of them because when you read about the production of this show, this was something that the show strained against for a long time. Right. I think the problem with Bejoren faith-based episodes is that my own feelings kind of prevent me from both sides. The issue and a way that the episode is asking you to do, right?

Right. I don't think I'm ever going to be on the side of the MSAry and the MSAry's choices, as long as those choices sacrifice everyone else's interest for the narrow religious interest as we see them. And I think to a larger extent, I don't think a Star Trek future is possible with religious faith as it exists today. And so when I see what looks like a familiar religion in the future, struggling to integrate itself with federation values, it's just like frustrating to watch and it's unbelievable to me. Yeah, I think when I can remind myself and come back to the idea that there's a way of

thinking about the profits as being a type of alien that has some kind of agenda that the bejurans have chosen to think of as supernatural. That really helps. It helps, but it's frustrating that the Bedurans would be so much subject to the whims of these aliens and so willingly subject to those whims. Kira is the one person who could actually cross the Rubicon, you know, like she's been inside the wormhole, she has met the

prophets. Like she understands the context of them in a way that the hardline religious leaders couldn't possibly understand. Like if she were able to cross the bridge into, got even using like that terminology is religiously loaded. But like if she could come around to the idea of, of an understanding of the profits that was more science-based. If she could be more like an operating feet on level six or so. Right. If she could just get clear about what the profits were,

she would be a great example to everyone else. Yeah, I don't know. It's a, I think that I always find these episodes really challenging and I totally feel your pain. And yet I found this one really compelling this watch through for whatever reason. And I think that like a lot of it is just, that every Brooks is really good at doing

these kinds of episodes. Yeah. In a way that these kinds of episodes. Yeah. In a way that is fun to watch. Yeah. And I guess the other thing is that when Kai-Win gets what she wants, it's frustrating. And she doesn't get everything she wants. Like, she gets what she wants in the context of having to accept Cisco as the emissary, which is a tough pill for her to swallow.

But she does kind of win in the end, and that's always a bad feeling. But it's supposed to be. Yeah, this show does not shy away from a victorious Kiwin at the end of an episode. Yeah, well, tone-setter. The symbol of victory at the end of every greatest gen episode is the reading of a priority one message. The symbol of victory at the end of every greatest gen episode is the reading of a priority one message. It sure is, Adam. Want to go check those out? I would love to.

Priority one message from Starfleet coming in on Secured Channel. I need a supplement on it. supplement on it? supplement supplement Yes, extra. The interest alone could be enough to buy this ship! Ben are first priority one messages from the entity known as the Dith. The message is for incoming code 47 message for Captain Lissoto.

Okay. Message goes like this, you are the Troy to my Beverly, the Bashir to my O'Brien, the Loxana to my Q and the Loaf to my Nuban. Wow! Thanks for- Those are complicated relationships. Thanks for always being up for my away missions and cosplaying in the holodeck. Remember, when I get you and your future first officer, court marshalled for drunken disorderly conduct. Remember the photons.

Here's to Captain Lysoto. Best friend I ever had. That is lovely. That's a... That's a platonic P1. Yeah, this is intended to celebrate Captain Lasoto's birthday. That's great. So happy birthday Captain Lasoto. Yeah, happy birthday.

We get another priority one message here. Adam and his from Nebraska. It's too bendin' Adam. Seems like the entire state of Nebraska maybe has sent us a message. That makes sense. It's a bad use of tax dollars, right? Well, it's very inexpensive if you go in as an entire state. Yeah, that amortizes across everyone's tax returns as mere pennies.

Right. And the message goes like this. I'm a little embarrassed to say I found and relied on a podcast that got me through a brain tumor diagnosis last year. You didn't put the interlite on your top five, but maybe you're not nubin aliens. So when St. Peter meets you at the pearly gates, he'll have only one question. When you were down there, did you two find yourselves a drunk Shimoda? Wow, I had drunk Shimoda here on earth.

Does that make St. Peter a friend of DeSoto? Sounds like it Adam. You know what? You're my earthly drunk Shimoda. Hey, thanks, Ben. You're a great example of a person who's having the most fun, and I aspire to it. I wish I saw in me what others did. I so often get in my own way when it comes to having fun. Thanks, Ben. Nebraska, that is a scary diagnosis. I'm glad you're still with us.

And I hope that the prognosis is looking good. Whenever I think about how stupid our show is, I'm reminded from letters like these that it is helping someone in a big way, get through a hard thing. And I am grateful to hear it. So thanks for that. Thank you.

If you'd like to send a P1 head to MaximumFun.org slash Jumbo Tron. Hey Adam. It's Append. Did you find yourself a drunk Chamoda in the episode? Drunk Chamoda! Yeah, it came from a scene that we didn't talk about. There's a scene at we fucked up. That's fine. I think we can pick it up during Shimotas. I think we were we were being efficient. Okay. It's at Ops and it's where O'Brien, Dax, Warffin, Kira are having kind of the faith versus science argument

that you're never supposed to have in a workplace. Yeah, keep it out of bars and workplaces. And O'Brien is doing that thing that I think I can get with. He's being diplomatic, he's not really wanting to really get into it, and he sort of ends the conversation with, I hope you're right, major, and then you sort of makes the O'Brien face of life. It's basically a fuck off face by O'Brien, O'Brien not being a believer. And it's diplomatic while at the same time, stating a side, but not stating it because he's stating it with a face. Right.

And it's a face choice. And I like it when actors do that. Yeah. And I want to recognize it with my Shimoda. He may not be having the most fun because those conversations are not fun in any way. But it's an interesting choice. I'm going to give mine to Cassidy Yates. And this is actually something we talked about quite a bit, but just the fact that she's like

out of jail for three hours and suddenly running her hand in Star Trek caves. She is really game for it. I would be so pissed. I would not- God bless Cassidy Yates. I would not consent to this trip at all. I would want to go straight to bed. Yeah, I would want to take a bath, where I wasn't being watched by people with guns. Can you imagine the first like private dump? Oh, it'd be full of acuation. For the first time in six months. Clean separation.

Uh, one thing that is so rarely clean, Ben. Wait, speaking of dumps, can I tell you a story? Oh yeah, we've got all the time in the world this episode. The other day we were on a podcast the sci-fi wire podcast about horror movies or I guess horror things because we were talking about Borg's episodes of TNG and I had a I had a doctor appointment that I needed to get to and so I took the fastest dump of my entire life because it was literally like I like got up from the desk, ran to the bathroom, dropped the juice, cleaned up, ran to the car, made it to the doctors in 10 minutes.

What? And it usually takes me 10 minutes just to get to the doctors. I mean to me it's not an official dump until your legs go numb. Hahaha. I'm saying I did the whole thing in... ...under 10 seconds. Wow. I was very proud of myself.

I was like halfway to the doctors when it hit me. How fucking incredible that was. It's a great day. That's a lost ice cube lyric. Hahaha. Right there. Took a dump didn't even have to wipe. It's a great opportunity to see me and Ben in person. A Greatest Gen Live Show is something you don't want to miss. Why?

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