The Greatest Generation - The Brown Eye to Cardassia Prime (DS9 S6E26)

Episode Date: August 10, 2020

When the stores on DS9 start stocking the shelves for the Gratitude Festival earlier and earlier every year, only a big confrontation between the Pah Wraiths and the Prophets can set things straight. But when The Sisko’s mission to savagely thrust into the very heart of the Dominion comes in conflict with the will of the prophets, he’ll have to defy them to keep his pips. What is Admiral Beltbuckle’s job? In what decade does Worf’s exercise program take place? Are Quark and Bashir friends? It’s the episode that’s like manga: it’s good in a pinch. Follow The Game of Buttholes: The Will of the Prophets! Support the production of The Greatest Generation. Music by Adam Ragusea & Dark Materia  Follow The Greatest Generation on Twitter, and discuss the show using the hashtag #GreatestGen! Facebook group | Subreddit | Wiki Sign up for our mailing list!

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and season two of Star Trek Picard. We've set up a page where you can also contribute. It's at friendsofdecotoforlabor.com. That's friendsofdecotoforlabor.com. That's friendsofdisotoforlabor.com. Link in the episode description. Okay, now let's the heaven of the world. Command of Benjamin, since great veterans will start facing, Deep Space Nine. Welcome to the greatest generation, Deep Space Nine. It's a Star Trek podcast from a couple of guys

who are a little bit embarrassed to have a Star Trek podcast. I'm with it, Ben Harrison. I'm, I was wondering, I definitely heard some condescension in your introduction. Ha ha ha ha ha. I'm Adam Prantica, not with it. You're just barely Adam Prantica today. Less and less every day. What will you change into?

The people want to know. I've been doing a fairly rigorous workout every morning. Wow. Trying to stick to it every morning for the last couple of weeks. And instead of that endorphin boost that people talk about, they rave about this bin. They say you're going to feel better throughout the day if you work out in the morning. How are you so jealous of these people?

I'm not a believer. I think I'm an afternoon workout guy because I feel sluggish and bad all day. Wow. And I I know we have a lot of armchair doctors in our viewership that are gonna probably tell me I have something terrible. Yeah. But I'm pretty sure I don't have anything terrible. I'm pretty sure I'm just 40 something and tired. Are you a workout in the morning and then no more times person? Because I don't really have a workout currently in my regime, but I do walk the dog like three miles in the morning and three miles in the afternoon.

I also walk the dog about a mile and a half every day. And I also sprinkle in some yoga when I can. So it's not the only thing. It's often an everyday thing though. When I get home from my afternoon walk lately, I am just fucking done. It's not the heat, it's not that hot. I don't know what it is.

I don't know. It's definitely low tea. It's gotta be hot. I don't know what it is. I don't know. It's definitely low tea. It's gotta be that, right? Right. I feel like a high tea individual would be just fucking dominating things. And like tearing apart phone books all day in the afternoon.

And all I wanna do is take a 40 minute nap. Well, because high tea people want to recycle. And they know that if they just put the entire phone book in the recycling, it's gonna be very heavy for the guy that comes and collects the recycling bin. Who's gonna think of the bin people? Ha ha ha ha ha. Adam, we actually have been full of our own here

on the show today. I went to the post office. We had several items in our PO box. Some of them have been there for a long time. Oh. I have been compelled to make a post office trip about once a week for the last three or four weeks, mostly because like my dad keeps ordering dog food and having it sent to my house and then I have to take it to the post office and send it to his house. Why is he doing that? I don't know.

I keep asking and he's like, well, yeah, what they need to do is change the address. And I'm like, yeah, dad. Here's the one that has the relationship with the company. That's better than my dad, who for some reason will not buy anything online using electronic payment. He just doesn't trust it. And so he has my younger brother buy shit for him. Some reason will not buy anything online using electronic payment.

He just doesn't trust it. And so he has my younger brother buy shit for him. My dad will send him things he wants to buy off of Amazon, and then my brother will be compelled to buy those things. Here, you take on all the risk of this. That's everything he needs to know about my dad right there. Shall we get this mail call started at him? Captain, I'm sorry to disturb you. I'm receiving a code 47.

Verify, it is code 47, sir. Starfleet emergency frequency. Captions eyes only. You know what? I am become my dad because you are taking all the risk in opening these packages, man. Yeah, this sounds like a delight. I picked the wrong time to take over being

in charge of the PM. Oh, that's... Yeah. This one, this first one is from Michael B. in Carmel, Maine. Used a cool T-Rex stamp on this letter. Oh, that's a hell of a stamp right there. I wish it had been an Ankylo soar.

On the back of the letter Michael has helpfully written, not sealed with saliva. He taped this envelope chat. He did not use the lick and seal method. Was that a concern during early COVID? Like, don't be licking them envelopes. You don't wanna get spit virus on you, like is that? Was that the thinking?

I don't, yeah, I don't remember how things were being a specific warning. Yeah, it's one of these things where I feel like everybody has a different set of information. Almost like there's been some sort of vacuum of actionable information at the top of our society. Right. But like, I was on a Zoom call with some friends and found out that they had all been like getting like, Chlorox wipes out when they brought their groceries home and wiping their groceries.

Yeah. And we never did that in my house. We did that for a time and then for no reason at all, kind of stopped doing it. Yeah. It's not like we got contradictory information. I was like worried that I'd been fucking up and I looked into it, and the best sources of information

I could find said that that is a totally unnecessary thing to do, so I was very relieved, but I was also like, I was fucking scared in the moment, and I feel like it's, I'm sure I'm doing things that are not necessary to protect myself. Anyways, I appreciate that no saliva was used to seal this envelope. You know what, if I could just ask

something of our viewers going forward, is that I would like that written on every package in envelope that gets sent to the Fio box. I just want that extra level of assurance. Or if you do use saliva, tell us what species of animals saliva you opted for. Dear Ben and Adam, please forgive me. I have sent you only one of a thing, and that thing is... embarrassing. I've wanted to send you something for a long time, but I've had trouble finding something

with just the right amount of awkwardness and absurdity to make it memorable. Hmm. It's a commander shirt for your little commander. One of my wife's friends runs an Etsy shop, Cock Couture. Oh my god, that's just where my mind went, and then the letter went there immediately after. I've been using little commander for a long time. It makes hilarious costumes that have come in handy a few times for some fun gifts. I feel a little bad for plugging, but as the work isn't my own, I thought I should give credit. And don't fight over it too much. You can always order another. Hopefully this is good for some laughs. Maybe one of your wives will be totally into it. And thank you for the ones you've shared with myself

and many others through your podcast. It's always looked forward to on Mondays and has become a de facto way to start my work week. Also a big fan of the greatest discovery and friendly fire. Wow. Some day tours will be allowed again and I can finally venture to a live show with all gratitude everywhere

Michael B. Alright, thanks Michael B for enjoying all the great shows. The wrapping on this, on this commander shirt is in like a tissue paper that is imprinted with the cock couture logo. Michael B didn't include a third option and that would have been to just like trade it back and forth Yeah, we have shared custody It is a it is a red shirt with a belt buckle that is kind of a it's a

You know like a spandex type cloth and I guess you just put that over your donkiss when it's a, you know, like a spandex type cloth. And I guess you just put that over your dongus when it's at attention. I have a message for the cockatour people. Oh, where's my camera? All right, all right, there it is. You're looking for that little red light at him. I know for a fact that you are telling

your manufacturing people that they are making napkin holders. There is no way you've got a warehouse full of people sewing together fabric, fabric coquarrings. It's not possible. How do you have your Monday kickoff meeting when that's when that's what you're telling people you're making? Get out there and make those cock rings. No That's not what you're saying. I

Am I I really wanted to be the person that kept this but I think I may have to go order one a size smaller off of Couture, that's a shop. Yeah, that thing it looks like you could keep a fire extinguisher warm with that thing. I wish this looked like it would fit but I don't think it will. Is it a beer coosie? All right, I'm going to open our next package. You know, you could stick that around the end of your SM7, maybe. Oh! Let's see if it fits. You've got a video stream going today. Let's see.

You got to roll it down, Ben. Yeah. That looks nice. It's pretty nicely on the SM7. That looks nice. If you are a podcaster or musician who's ever seen an Assure SM7B microphone, this story does not stretch out a ton when you put it around the base of that. Or are you just having a great big cock? You know exactly what an SM7 looks like at the end.

Alright, our next package is coming from Oakland, California from a C. Farovar, who opted for the Entrepreneur-themed stamp. Hey, that's Ben's hometown. That's Ben's hometown, and it's definitely our buddy, Sarus. Alright, we got, oh man, Sarus Farovar, working with his own custom stationery here. A nice, a nice thick card stock with his name in the copper plate font up at the top. Hey Ben and Adam, just wanted to say thanks for all the last and a welcome distraction during these crazy times. I've especially been enjoying the TOS episodes, stay healthy dudes, and I guess he's referring to the TOS episodes

we've been covering on our greatest discovery show. Yeah, sprinkling those in from time to time in the off season. Look at this! Speaking of crazy times, Saroose has included some face masks. Whoa. These are really nice. I think they're reversible because they're both Star Trek theme. One says it's kind of a little bit more colorful than the other, but they both have the Starship Entrepreneur original series edition and the word Star Trek, but they also got these jazzy back patterns. So if you need to go into a space where exposing your Star Trek Nerdery might be to your disadvantage, you could flip it over.

See, it's got a couple of straps to wrap around the balls. That's handy. Yeah, thank you, Sirrus. Wow, thanks, Sirrus. I'll have all the, like, that's a sosa's nothing, by the way. Or seriously? All right. Moving on to the next package. I'm just kind of going up and up in size here.

This one is from James B. of Austin, Texas. I feel like that's another rule of greatest gen. Ben has always opened the gifts in Little Is the Biggest. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I think I should check that a little bit. Dear Ben and Adam, a while ago I fell down a YouTube rabbit hole and learned that Star Trek was turned into manga in the late 2000s.

With all the new Star Trek being on pause because of the pandemic, I thought y'all could use the extra content. Fair words of warning, some of the stories are on par with some of TNG's first season's rougher moments, but still Star Trek enough, I think you'll enjoy them. Thanks for the pod. It's been a very bright spot for me during these crappy times. There's like a bunch of redacted texts there.

I thought he was gonna just end that thought on. It's been a bright spot for me during. My imagine he was going to just end that thought on. It's been a bright spot for me during my imagine team is listening to the show during. Oh, oh, that during. It says live long and prosper. PS. If I can, I wanted to shout out to the FOD folding at home team, which is in the top 10,000 teams. There's 250,000 total. Wow. Folding at home is that distributed computing deal where people are processing information about proteins to find curious for diseases, I believe.

I have never even heard about this. What? Yeah. Wow. You remember saidy at home? I do. So it's like that. It's like that.

It's like that, but for like doing computer analysis of protein structure, if I'm not mistaken. There is not a chance that Star Trek manga isn't like disturbingly tenticular, right? It's just tentacles all the way down. Oh boy. So we have a bunch of books here. These are sort of like... The size of like a paperback novel, I would say. They're like more the...

You may call them pocket books. I guess so, yeah. But you wouldn't carry money in them. No. We've got one with Kirk. We've got one with Ohorah, and we've got one with most of the TOS crew on, and we have a Picard one. I don't know if these were originally made in Japan or what, but it seems like they, if they were, they've been translated to the extent that they read left to write like a like a an American book That's not traditional manga then right? Yeah, yes

manga in name only But these are cool. I love the I love the art style these we may yet need Doolin on these for some content. Well, that's what people have been saying about manga for years. It's good in a pinch. Indeed, Adam. Indeed. All right. Last package. When I need to review my little commander, often manga will be there as a last resort. Yeah, we've got a lot of the equipment we need for some moderately fun times. This is a pretty big package here. This is from Emily F F in Chicago, Illinois.

And this box has been taped up with like actual gaffer's tape. Yeah. But I hope that really sends a message. Yeah, that's like, isn't that the unibomber? There's like $40 in gaff tape wrapping that box. Seriously. But what's nice is that when you tape wrapping that box. It's seriously. But what's nice is that when you pull up that tape it's not gonna mark your cardboard. That's true.

Something big in here Adam. Start with the letter. The letter has a sealed with a sticker. It's one of those puffy stickers and it's a kitten wearing a space helmet. Unclear if saliva has been used for the rest. Some loose leaf college rule paper here. Dear Ben and Adam, hello, my name is Emily and I'm a huge fan of your shows and of course, Star Trek. In my many moods of, quote, boyfriend, clean out your shit, we found this Star Trek the next generation game.

I'm a person who not only doesn't like clutter, but also not a huge fan of board games. That being said, this trivia game looks like fun, even if just reading the cards and not actually playing. This is also done pre-COVID, FYI. I'm just not great at mailing things. So even if it was sealed with saliva, we have nothing to fear. Thank you for this entertaining thing that you guys do. It really does help a lot of people's mental state, especially now.

Also, huge thank you to my girl Morgan, who turned me on to you guys. We love discussing it. We love discussing your episodes. Now, you had it right the first time. We love discussing your episodes. Hope you have some use right the first time. We love discussing your episodes. Hope you have some use for this game. Thank you, Emily. Hey, Morgan.

Good job, by you. Yeah, telling a friend? Yeah, no one does that. That's great. Look at this. This is a huge board game. This is like... It looks heavy.

Yeah, it is heavy. It's probably like 50% bigger than any other board game box I've ever seen that Looks like a game that I might actually play instead of settlers of cattan or some other bullshit like Seems like you could sit right down and play that game instead of Spend three hours going over the rules. Wow. There are lots of parts here. There's a scenario book. This is a thing you get to put together. There's like, isoleneer rods included.

That's fun. Are there little ships? There's a box full of crayons. What? Oh, they're crayons. Was that a factory sealed game? Like, are the crayons used? Maybe one or two of them have been used, but I don't think that they've been used much Yeah, there's a huge deck of cards

It's a lot of trick trivia this maybe this maybe has to be an episode of Of the greatest discovery where we where we play this board game with each other is there a way to turn it into a drinking game Well, I'm sure we can find that. It sounds good to me. Let's do it. Let's book it. Don't see any little ships, unfortunately. But we do have these cool sector maps. That, uh... I guess there's four of these captains displays.

Wow. Look at those maps. Thank you, Emily. Thanks Emily. And thanks to everyone who sent something in. If you'd like to send something in for us to open up on the show, we do this. I don't know, every couple of months maybe.

And if you write to us at DrunkSremota at gmail.com, we will send you the PO box, maybe. And you might go to a post office. Well Adam, do you want to get into our episode today? It's a big one. Really is. It's not only the end of season six, but it's the end of a beloved character.

It is season 6, episode 26, tears of the prophets. Do you realize how incredible this seems? No, of course you don't. Is it gratitude festival time again already? It hardly seems like a year has passed, man. It sneaks up by me every time. I don't feel like I bought any of my gratitude day gifts. I just am so fucking sick of the war on gratitude day.

Thank everybody's always going, I'm saying happy holidays instead of Peldor Joy. Like I'm fucking a criminal for celebrating my holiday. I know. God. And that's really what this episode is about. Yeah. I think that that's maybe, that's like the first bullet point when you start describing this episode is the war on attitude festival. Yeah, and this time, there are deaths.

The Cisco and Kira visit the Bajorin shrine on the station thing. That's something that we get too often. I feel like it's also very unusual for it to be the beginning of an episode. Right. I feel like getting to shrine is something that happens a lot on episodes, but I think that it says something that we start at the Shrine this time. To new spin on an old favorite, usually people are just incidentally walking in there to see what's happening. This time, it looks like Kira is using it as a place to avoid Odo, because what the hell avoid Odo.

Cause what the hell is Odo gonna do with the shrine? Yeah, Odo is in the dog house right now because he arrested a vet for raising money. What was it for people affected by the war or something? I think it had to do with the flood cause remember when Cisco smashed the tablet. Oh me? Cisco may have smashed me, Oh right. When Cisco smashed the tablet. All of a sudden? Me?

Cisco may have smashed me, but I was glued back together. I'm a running character now. I told you you'd either be eating fruit or dying in a flood. I don't know which one. Why does an autodo arrest me? It's kind of my fault the whole thing happened, isn't it? Please arrest the tablet character. That's who needs to go to prison.

This is something that you and I know a lot about. Our wives being angry at us for the work that we do. I told you when we hooked up, baby, that you were gonna have to share me. And I have to say this is gonna be one of the few times I side with Odo against Kira about a thing, because he's just doing his job. Who else was just doing their job at him? Oh, Oh no. Really put your foot in that one. I mean, like he's right, there are station regulations against what they're said at a question. There's a thin gold line that separates insurance security from the people of the station. You'll never understand the risks I have to take.

Yeah, I think we need to defund Odo. Hmm. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, look at what he spent his money on, that fucking jungle gym in his apartment. Yeah, a bunch of extra large executive office toys, basically.

Give me a break. He doesn't need money. He's using all his unearned overtime pay for that. There are people living in the halls of the promenade right now that could use the little help. Odo is making that fatal flaw, though, again, that you and I have made, which is trying to explain your actions to someone who is not even trying to hear that, and instead just wants to process their anger for a period of time that we don't know about. It takes a very, very long, or at least, I mean, I'm an idiot, so it took me a very long time

to learn that you can't talk somebody out of their feelings about something. Yeah, I still don't know that Yeah, that goes for everywhere and everyone right so here is pissed odos in the dog house But but happier stuff is taking place elsewhere on the station Admiral belt buckle has arrived and is Here to pin a medal on Cisco's chest ban Ben, it's the Domeys, the Dominion War Awards. And up for the category of coming up with an insane plan. And then going through with it is Benjamin Lafayette Cisco. Yeah.

The Christopher Pike medal. Yeah, pretty great, right? Love here in that name. Love thinking about friend of the podcast, Dance and Mount. Do you think Christopher Pike was the first person to receive it? Pust you, Missly? I think it's probably one of those metal was with a with a magnetized backing. You just like, don't put it on his chair. I mean, that's how Starfleet does all of their pips and badges, right? It would stand to reason that they did the same thing

with their medals. The problem with sticking the magnetized metal on Christopher Pike's mobility chair is that one time someone stuck it on top of the light and then no one could tell that Pike was talking to them for like two weeks. We recently did an episode of greatest discovery one could tell that Pike was talking to them for like two weeks. We recently did an episode of greatest discovery about commander data and kind of like taking

a survey of sort of the some of the most important beats in his arc over the course of all of TNG and the TNG films and measure of a man at one point he gets out his his little box of commendations and this made me wonder if the Christopher Pike metal was among the things data had won. That would make a ton of sense. Like of course he would. Verify Lieutenant Commander Data, current assignment USS Enterprise, Starfleet Command Decoration for Valor, you're on a little stipulate to all of this. All goes out the window and Commander Reichard demonstrates that he can be switched off.

Yeah, that's a bad moment for data. Cisco can't be switched off though. He wants, they want to switch him on as a matter of fact. The Starfleet brass have decided that they've been on a defensive posture for far too long and they've finally heard what Cisco has to say. They want to start punching noses. They want to take the fight to Cardassia. Commander belt buckles like they keep pushing us and we keep falling back.

The line must be drawn here. Yada y, yada. Smash, smash, smash. Yeah, but you fill in the details. I'll be nowhere to be seen for the rest of this. I don't know how if you're admiral belt buckle, you aren't as an actor constantly like grabbing for it, like sticking your thumbs on top of it, putting a leg up on a chair and like leaning into it.

It draws the eyes. It draws the eyes. It's like a cool Texas accent as Admiral Belt buckle. Boy, you have Dr. Brass. Do you know what the odds are on a five card charlie? It'd be amazing. It captures the imagination in a way few other costumers choices have.

It's all I can see whenever he's in a scene. What does he do when he's not, like he pets Benzisco on the back and is like, hey, like, the photo conference you've been given the job of coming up with a plan for invading Cardassia. You're great at these long odds plans and we want you to do this one also. Anyways, and then what does he do for the rest of the time?

Like what is Admiral Bilt Buckle's job? That is exceedingly unclear. He's one of those authority figures that like you always want someone who's just a delegator. And he is sort of like the ultimate delegator. Yeah, the least micromanagy boss in history. Hey, go invade this planet.

All right, bye. And also you come up with how? It's amazing. This makes Bence's go very happy. He's been ready to go back on offense for quite a while. After our opening credits sequence, we catch up with Dax and Wurf in Quirks Bar. They've gone over there a lot of time in the hollow suites with bat length practice, and they don't even have any bloody cuts or broken arms to show for it.

But she has been sitting there waiting and he was like hoping at least he'd get a bit of a show when they came out. No wounds to the bladder for either of you, I see. Oh well. Is the only entrance and exit to the hollow suite that circular staircase? I gotta imagine you can go out onto the second level of the promenade, right?

If you're quark, are you missing the fun of a fireman's pole? Given how many people go upstairs and downstairs at quark's bar? There may be a liability thing there because if people are getting really schwaisty on your Samarian sunsets or whatever. I don't know. It seems like a metal circular staircase would be just as dangerous as a fire pole. That's true. I used to live in an apartment that had a metal circular staircase and it was terrifying every time I used it. Yeah, that'll fuck you up. Bishir and Quark are incredulous because Warfan DAX have been using their Hollis sweet time, not for fighting, not for fucking, but for talking.

You can do that anywhere, guys. Yeah, you don't need a Hollis. Do you think that like Skull Guy sits down with them and like patiently listens? We're skillet scared about this too. How can you bring a baby into a world as bleak as this? Is that a responsible choice at this point in history to reproduce? It turns out like one of the consequences

of the year's Vic Fontaine program is that every character in the hall is so we just a lot like Vic Fontaine. Hey, Daddy, oh, I noticed you seem to have a bit of a long face. Why don't you tell your problems to me? And I'll see if I can help you with them. I'm a terrible terrifying skullhead man. Hey, warfight. I mean, not not for this time.

I'll let it slide this time, but next time you really need to enter through the rear entrance. Jesus. Skull Guy also has very retro, great ideas. This battle jungle is also in the 50s. It's fucked up, but it's just how the program was set up. I don't make the rules. I'm just doing my job, just following orders, etc, etc. Warf likes to keep things on the down low. Dex has had 10 lifetimes to break herself of that

instinct. She just lets it all out in the open. She puts it out into the street. They're thinking about having kids. Thinking about making a baby and poker faces are not how I would describe what happens with quirk and Bashir. Yeah, a couple of spit takes at each other. What? What? It's not news that they're glad of, but it also is something that Bashir

is gonna have to get involved with because there is a challenge which is that backs and war are different species. It's true, there's a couple of great big laughs about just what that baby's gonna look like. Yeah, fun. Gortgull's warfay clinging on psychopath in this moment. I thought that was kind of an interest to get insult. Is it going on psychopath even scarier

than a regular psychopath? Don't you think there should be more open antipathy between quark and wolf just at all times? They should fucking hate each other. It should be nothing but insults back and forth. Yeah, that would be great. They're a little too low key for my taste. That mutual respect shouldn't be there.

GOLDACOTO. Elsewhere in the wardrobe, Cisco is briefing Martak on his great plan. A plan he's had a night to draw up, I guess, and he lays it on him with belt buckle watching. There's a conveniently a weak spot in the Jemperdard defenses of Cardassia. Yeah. There's only five squadrons in this particular area, and that is asking for trouble. This is the Chintaka system and they feel like this is enough of a weak point that they could punch through it and go right on to Cardassia Prime.

That's the thing about Cardassians is that they're formidable enemies with a weak Chintaka. Yeah, that's why so many of them grow beards, right? Right. Yeah. This is only going to work if they can convince the Romulans to get involved. And, you know, any time a clang on is in a room that Romulans are mentioned in. They have to speak up about what dishonorable pieces of shit the Romulans are. They are without honor. But Admiral Belt buckle and Cisco are pretty sure that that's how it's gonna have to go.

So, you know, Martak cheers up pretty quickly and you know, pronounces his confidence in their victory. This would have been a great scene for a Angle on Ben Cisco and he's like, God, they better not send Vrenac. Vrenac's dead, of course. But like, can he be sure?

It's always a chess game with the Romulans. Yeah, you can't trust every report. They get out of the Romulan Empire. They, it is Vrenac and then they, they angle back on Ben Sisko and he's like, it's their fake. He's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's,isco and he's like, it's a fake. He said it. Why do they keep ringing that bell on the show?

Yeah, I don't know. There's something about it really appeals to the showrunners. This is a pretty funny smash cut because we finished them like slapping each other on the backs about their great plan to take over Cardassia to Cardassia where wayun and demar are talking about how vulnerable the chintaka system has been left and demar is like not as vulnerable as it looks We actually have this great defense system set up over there

Nobody knows about it You remember that foolproof plan of mining the wormhole that never in a million years anyone could stop that kind of defense? Well, this is sort of like that. Yeah. They have learned from their enemy. Right. They're starting to see eye to eye on this issue when Demar's aid to camp rushes in and says that they have a rather urgent visitor

And incomes go do caught who I guess got their via the shuttlecraft he stole from Cisco Like you got to believe that's how he's getting around right? Yeah last time we saw he's now going by Jake do caught Stay calm Jake. We'll get you back. Yeah, the inside of that shuttle is gonna smell pretty bad. Oh, yeah He has a plan though. He says Listen, I know that I'm not like being Hale to say as a conquering hero coming in here, but not that broken up about the death of my daughter anymore I've actually gotten into antiques. It's given me something to do.

I'm just wondering if I could go through your arc of the covenant warehouse and look for a particular thing that was stalled for Bejor when the occupation was still on. Epilons and abuse! when the occupation was still on. And belongs and have you seen it. Wayune not going to be my Shimoda, but deserve special recognition for being that guy every time you caught Waxin' in the room. He's like this fucking guy. Like I cannot believe Demar isn't kicking him out. The second he walks in and this happens constantly.

Yeah. William fucking hates him. It's amazing how much power DuCott has still over Demar. It's amazing how permissive way you is like this is a version of the Admiral Bell buckle problem where the delegating of of the strategy to Demar is resulting in this sort of situation where he's like, when you could run the show and he's not, he's too permissive, he's just allowing Demar and for some reason to cat to walk all over him. Yeah, I think it's interesting because like the scene starts with wayun kind of like thinking he's caught Demar in a slip up with the Trin taka system, which Demar, like Demar is demonstrating himself to be quite capable of

actually doing this, but it's also just that wayun hasn't been focused on this and doesn't know, right? Like that they have this defense grid. Are we supposed to feel sorry for Demar? I don't know. He's sort of in a terrible situation. Yeah, because if you cut gets back on top, that means Demar gets pushed down one rung on the org chart.

I mean mean or executed I think I think he had to cut her friends though. There's a fun bit of back and forth when we go from the ward room to Cardassia to back to the ward room with this with the Romulans Great. This Romulans Senator is Pretty mean to Martaq. This is a real McLaughlin group because this is a bunch of people on all different sides of the political spectrum. Right. Arguing with each other and mostly just insulting each other. The Romulans are always drinking. Have you noticed this is like a

Brad Pitt thing in in Ocean's 11, like anytime there's a Romulan on Deep Space 9, they're drinking something. I liked this Romulan quite a bit. Yeah, me too. He's not trying to take any guff from Martak, that's for sure. Really, Captain Asino, reason why I should sit here and allow this Klingon jackal to call me a coward. Despite what a bad diplomat Martak is,

they do manage to talk the Romulans into joining the fight, and that's great news because if they don't have the Romulans, they basically don't have a plan. What's strange about what is being discussed in this meeting to me is that what we learn is very interesting. Like like the gem had our reproduce faster than they can be destroyed, and that's a problem. And so they talk about the need to destroy the shipyards, which seems to make some sense. But where were those shipyards in this episode ever? Are they- Are they-

Are they- Are they at Cardassia? Is that the idea? That- Are they- Are they- Are they- Are they at Cardassia? Is that the idea? I don't know, but they didn't really tie A to B in this- Yeah. in this strategy. Maybe B happens in the beginning of season 7.

That's a great point, Adam. Yeah, I don't know. This doesn't really feel like a part one episode though. Does it? No. No, it sure doesn't. To be quite honest about it, that is an apparel. I'm fucking in pain. Mr. Bucket, I have to reverse back to my state.

Go! No, I don't use the bucket anymore. Later in Vic Fontaine's club, Bichirin Quark are being serenaded by a withering version of Here's to the Losers, sung directly at them by Vic Fontaine. Vic Fontaine is the original troll. I think this is Vic Fontaine's fault.

No one else is in the club. Yeah. I guess that's the song you sing to the two paid ticket holders, right? Here's to the losers, bless them all. Fun stuff. These guys are real upset about the... I mean, it's one thing when the girl you have a crush on gets married. Wait, not that marriage. What are you talking about?

It's another when she has a kid with the guy, I think. Yeah, it's pretty much over at that point. We're talking about your chances. Yeah. Oh well. Our quarkin' bishier friends is the, I think the only reason that they're together is their shared affection for DAX, right? Yeah, it's kind of a something about

Mary type friendship where they're united in their mutual crush. So you knighted that they don't view each other as competition either in an interesting way. I love Mary, man. Quark really likes Vic Fontaine though. Yeah, big fan. This is right at Quark's speed, right?

The 1950s, Vegas stuff. Oh yeah. They feel great. They feel great. They feel great. They feel great. They feel great. They feel great. They feel great. They can talk a lot about how they agree about their feelings about women. Yeah. A lot of social issues in common. Right. At the same time in left family, Disiscos, quarters. For some reason, Jake is assuming he's going along on the invasion of Cardassia mission? Yes, he was based on his status as a reporter for the Federation news service,

which seems like a good pretext for going, but not like a good pretext for going on the ship your father commands. Like, I think that there's maybe a, like, I don't know what the standards of objectivity are in journalism in the 24th century, but I do think that, like, by today's standards, it would seem strange if you were, like, reading a New York Times article by, like, Kevin Petraeus about David Petraeus. But, Dad, we're talking about the invasion of Cardensia, a savage thrust into the very heart of the dominion. I think the thing that does not serve for some reason Jake's storyline

about being a press person is that it isn't like a pillar of the federation and the way that like the press is a pillar of American democracy. So there is not, there isn't, there isn't Jake saying it's important for me to tell this story and it's also being like buttressed by an authority figure for the press telling Ben Cisco, uh, important federation stories need to be told, this is why. Like there's never, ever, ever a reference to the press's importance in Star Trek. And that's what makes whenever Jake uses his job as a reason to do something like this,

I always feel like he's lying. I always feel like he's making up a job that doesn't exist because we never see his workplace relationships. Outside of Deep Space 9, the only other press thing I can think of in Star Trek is in generations when they're chris and the new Enterprise B and it seems like the press is treated as a real fucking annoyance by everyone in Starfleet. A Captain Kirk. Why don't we give the Captain a chance

to look around the first? There would be an interesting story to tell in Jake like putting out a piece of news that he discovered about DeepBase9 or about his father that was an embarrassment or made Cisco's job much harder because a truth he wanted to keep concealed got out and having built some tension like that, I think it like seems like this would feel a little bit more impactful, but they never they never took that opportunity.

That's a relief, but you're still not going so. I think that they just like had this idea that Jake was gonna be a writer, but never defined it any further than that because there's like novelist Jake and reporter Jake and it doesn't seem like they seem to be They seem to work in tandem and it doesn't really matter which which kind of Jake we get from episode to episode That doesn't seem to have any significance. No also So that doesn't seem to have any significance. No. Also, it seems like the Cisco's have really, have really just completely given up on food in this episode because this dinner looks like they got,

like they ordered from a pizza place, but they got pasta and salad and not pizza. Oh, yeah, that's always gonna be a disappointment. That is not a good looking meal that they're having. Pizza place salad is the worst salad. At this point in time, I wondered if Jake would have bridge credentials, the way Cassidy ate clearly did. No surprise. He does. Yeah, very permissive bridge on the little D.

This is the scene where Cisco gets a little visit from the prophets who have a warning for it. In a way that's fairly unprofit-like, they're explicit with their desire for him not to go on this mission. Yeah. What they aren't explicit about is why, but they're actually telling him what to do. Well, Profits never say exactly why. They like to keep it a little bit mysterious. That's what's fun about them. I'd recommend not confronting the Cisco. He might smash ya. That guy's crazy. Take it from me. Look at all these scars. You know how much epoxy it took to put me back together. I'll never be the same Take me on antique's road show see if I appraise for full value

All they're gonna do is saying well if he was in perfect condition, it'd be worth this But it's bad I thought this let me tell you another term for worthless is sentimental value. Later in the wardrobe Admiral Beltbuckle makes everyone aware of the orbital weapon platform in a meeting and Cisco makes Admiral Belt buckle aware of his profit visions. I might have kept these to yourself, like this is the eve of a very important mission, Ben Sisko. I wouldn't had, I wouldn't just casually drop the idea that I, that I had a vision and not only that, it was a vision that was telling me explicitly not to do the thing that we're sitting out to do. Yeah, I think it's interesting that he has to kind of code switch when he talks to the admiral about them. He catches himself mid-referring to them as the prophets and calls them

the wormhole aliens instead. Yeah. And Admiral Ross is like, listen, Ben, you've, you've been trying to be both emissary and starfleet for a long time. And it's time to put up or shut up. You can't be both. You have to pick. If I wanted to put in the effort of hiring a new captain, I mean, I would have done it a long time ago after that last incident. I'm just going to say it right now. If I was Cisco in this situation and it was between embracing being the MSAry or getting up for a 5am flight the next day, I would embrace being the MSAry. They are taking the brown eye to Cardassia Prime.

Yeah, pretty rough. It's a frustrating scene for them both because BeltBuckle is asking practical questions that Cisco is answering mystically. And it is very unsatisfying for both. But ultimately, while he doesn't say the word, Ben Cisco chooses Starfleet, he does not do the word, Spence's go chooses Starfleet. He does not do the wharf and pull off his combat and stick it on the table.

No. Back on Cardassia, Ducat has found his artifact. Behold. The key to victory. Like a garden gnome in a box. Oh, I see you remain skeptical. And he sets it up, he lights some candles,

and he does a little say-ons right in front of them and he breaks this lawn gnome in half And it's got a fart inside of it Adam and it goes right inside Goldie-cat. Yeah, it's part of cat bin He's got the red eyes and everything keep that guy away for me Everybody is always breaking apart stuff and finding farts inside. And I'm one of the things that got broken. The red eye effect is really cool and scary, especially with Goldicat. Yeah, it really pops against his creepy gray skin, I think. Yeah, and the same kind of thing that they did with Jake, right when he was when he had the pa

Rayth inside him. It's true But the the differences that I think and I think even Mark Alamo would say this Mark Alamo has crazier looking eyes And that's like Definitely not a slight on Sir Rock Lofton by any means That's like definitely not a slight on Sirac Lofton by any means. Sirac Lofton's just a classically handsome guy. Right. He was not cast in the show for crazy eyes. Yeah.

No. In Odo's office, we return to the deep sea storyline, which is Odo and Kira are fighting again. And Kira at this moment does not know that they've been fighting. In a classic, have we or haven't we've been fighting switcheroo? That has just become normal life. Yeah, I mean, this is Odo's first relationship, so he is still in the, how do you do this phase, I guess? Right. Which I guess you have to write this, but it's like the episode of TNG where data has a girlfriend

and is like completely inept at it. When you're in law enforcement, you can't take any kind of criticism ever. Your position of authority is such a fragile thing that if you subject yourself to any amount of scrutiny. It could all collapse like a house of cards and people could realize what a shame it all has been. Curious like we're not fighting, babe, and we haven't been. Odo is very surprised to hear this. Also very surprised to hear that Kira wants to spend

their last night on the station together because she's going on the invasion mission. Yeah, so they presumably go find the hybrid mattress that they share, where one side is memory foam and the other side is a basin. Yeah, it's like one of those hospital beds made for pooping. Yeah, it's a sleep number bed where you can set the firmness on on either side, but you can also push a button to turn one side into a bucket. This was a moment that made me think about why You know Kira is is kind of a de facto Starfleet officer. She's not

She's not a Starfleet officer, but she gets to go on these missions. Later on, she gets put in command of the ship. Why isn't the Federation's slash Starfleet as interested in Odo, the way that they were clearly interested in data as a unique asset? They never give him the pitch. They never, they never want to groom him for, for missions like this. He never, he never goes on shit like this. Yeah, I mean, he's been on the define a bunch but it doesn't seem like he's like at the controls ever. You know what I, on the bridge? It's fucked up. Like why wouldn't you put him on the little D

knowing that the gem had our would not attack the little D if he were on board, right? Like wouldn't that be kind of a cheat code to any sort of offensive mission? The gem and our inner tough spot with that because I think they probably have to assume that he's on the little D anytime they encounter it. Yeah. Right? Because they don't have any way of knowing.

They should just like that bejure and saleship. They should just like fly the Odo flag. That's actually Odo every time they go into battle. I don't breathe there, I'll be just fine. It's a little chilly out here, but I can handle it. We get a moment in the hallway on the way to the little D as the bulk of the crew disembarked Steve's base nine. Judea Dax is being left behind in command of the station.

So she and Worf have to have a romantic smooch and it's the romantic smooch of two people who have decided to start trying. Just remember when you get back we have a lot of work to do. I don't consider that work. Wurfful on like Sailor Kisses Dax in Times Square Style in the hallway, like swinging her around and dipping her. You would think like if we're collecting stories for the Federation News Service, a feel good moment like that would be something

that Jake would want to capture with a hollow recorder. Do you think Worf blasted in a couple of test tubes before leaving on this mission? Just in case he doesn't come back. Oh, Warrior's stockpile. You know those test tubes would look like those make it home popsicle forms, like that you stick to, sticks in. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Oh yeah, really makes you think. We get Garrick in this episode

who chooses now to pop up on the bridge. This is a momentous occasion. Yeah, his utility here is a little unclear. He's out for revenge like, like, to cut it seems like they're the mirrors. Yeah. And I think that it's kind of like, I don't know, it felt to me like this was an episode where they're like, well, let's get almost every recurring character we can back. Right. I guess they leave out like ramen,

Lida and Cassidy, but, but you know, almost everybody that shows up frequently is in this one. It's going to be a long time before we see Cassidy Yates on the little D, I think. I mean, even though things might be cool between she and Cisco. Yeah. Add, add on now. I don't know if you want to invite that invite that kind of drama in your life. So the fleet pulls out wayune and d'bar are you know at one of their tactical computers talking about whether or not the defense grid that

that they've put so much confidence in is gonna be ready or not and It's looking not great. It pains me to say this, but you've got to see us improving to be quite a disappointment. It's a real touch-and-go moment, but when the fleet actually pulls up to Chintaka, these things, they appear to be offline, but after a brief skirmish with Jeb Hadar, the grid wakes up and starts pulverizing the fleet, and it is bad. That thing's operational. Our crew just can't retell firepower of that magnitude. This is a pretty fun slash scary callback to a way of fighting that the Gem Hedar have

used before, the idea of kamikaze tactics on the Klingon ships and it is rugged. How only the Klingon ships seem to be targeted and they are just like like a piranha eating a feeder goldfish like it's just parts in space. Yeah, yeah, it's it's a real mess and it quickly expands to the rest of the fleet when the grid actually goes goes up and we see a lot of ships get taken out in this sequence. And it's it's bad. I was really worried for a moment because a ship that looks just like the hood gets a big hole punched through its saucer. Fortunately, it was the USS Valley forge.

Right. The USS Hood was far from this conflict. Then the hood does participate in this invasion. Does it really? Because I was confused too. I figured it wasn't the hood because ping pong balls didn't come out of the hull breach. But on memory alphids is the hood participates in this battle. So maybe that was another hood class starship that got ripped open the way it did.

Yeah. I like this orbital defense system. They really kick a lot of ass. They're hard to kill. Every planet should have one, I think. Yeah. What would have happened to the boards if they had shown up and found this? I wonder why people didn't buy the Ecopapa 607.

That should be the callback. They're all Echo Papa's out here. Versatile, powerful and easy to use. The 607 does it all. That would have been good. So back on Deep Faced 9, great news for DAX, the fertility drugs that Dr. Bashir has been prescribing to her under duress or working great. They don't taste good though. Really, really can't get used to the taste, says DAX. And Bashir is like, oh, you'll get used to it.

You can learn to love almost any flavor. DAX is totally buoyant by the news. It's really going to happen for her. She thinks, doing no small part, that it may be because Kira says a little prayer at the Bjorn shrine for her. Yeah, so Dax is going to go pay her respects and she heads to the shrine. She's about to open up the orb arc when all the candles in the room are blown out and Do-Cott materializes behind her and

shoot some red paw energy at her and knocks her to the floor yet her and knocks her to the floor. They really put Terry Farrell up into the harness. She's up there flapping around quite a bit before getting dropped. I wondered about this moment because in the vision that Cisco had, the case is made that if he goes,'s you know putting Bajor in danger Would he have been able to stop this if it had been him standing in the major enshrine? I don't get the sense that he wields any like energy power. No, I guess not I mean if it's anyone's fault, it's probably

It's probably warfen dax for wanting to have children Yeah, they fucked this up. Yeah, I mean, but if also also if Dax hadn't been there, it doesn't feel like her death was like a necessary condition of Golducot turning the orb dark, right? I mean, I'm saying this as someone who had not seen this episode and didn't know this was going to happen. But like, when she's dropped on the ground, I was not certain that she was dead, were you? No, I don't think so. So once she's dropped the pyreth leaves DuCat's body, goes into the orb and turns it black. And then after that, it looks like DuCat's back to normal because his eyes aren't red anymore. Yeah, his eyes go normal. And then after that, it looks like it cuts back to normal because the Zays aren't red anymore. Yeah, Zays go normal and then we cut to wormhole, which opens up and then kind of like sucks

out of existence. Suck, suck, suck! And we cut back to the little D where Cisco is saying that he feels a great disturbance as though millions of voices suddenly screamed out in unison and were suddenly silenced. And he was like, where did you dig up this old fossil? The voices were all really vague about their pronouncements though.

I couldn't really understand what they were trying to say. They were screaming out, not necessarily in terror. Like that feels too specific. It's one of those, it feels like a medical emergency in a really fun way because Cisco's kind of crippled here and Kira has to take command. Yeah, he has to be taken from the bridge by for some reason Jake, do cuts out of there.

He disappears from the face nine and we're in a very uncertain place. A little deus figured out that these orbital defense systems are all powered by a single energy source on a small moon in orbit of Gentaka. It is protected by an energy shield, which is generated from the nearby moon. And so they've got to take that out, which at first doesn't work great. But the work around is we can like use the deflector array to project a federation warp signature on the rock and it will trick the defense robots to shoot their own energy source. And so that's what they've got to try to put into effect.

It finally works. They win the day. And I guess they are going to go back to the station now. Like the little D doesn't continue on to Cardassia at this point. Yeah, this part of the episode's story is a little bit unclear. I think it relies on a commercial break. A little heavy. Yeah.

Yeah, it feels messy, right? Like, I feel like there is a fun way to have all these threads interact with each other and make each one feel more momentous because of it. One element that really caught my attention here, Ben, is that like, Martak says that ground troop transport can begin after they've broken through these defenses. Is that how war happens in the 24th century? It's going to be a fucking blood bath down there. Yeah, if they just beam millions of klingons down to the surface of his planets.

Yeah, it's going to be awful. I don't understand why that's the plan. Yeah. You get a soften up those targets, Ben. Back on Kardashian, DuCott radios back to Demar and Wayune, who are pretty pissed because Wei-Yoon having put all his chips on red eye doot-cott has lost big, you know. They don't have their orbital defense system. The wormhole seems to be closed, and that means no getting more gem-hidar from the G-quad. This is a disaster. All of this has gone catastrophically bad as far as Wayune can tell.

But Ducat is pretty happy with how it went. But I assure you, we still achieved a great victory. It's so frustrating for Wayune and Demar to talk to Ducat because Wayune and Demar are big picture and Ducat is tiny picture. Was Ducat on his shuttle? I think so, yeah. Cause he's got like L-Cars computers behind him

in these shots. When he beams into the Bajoran shrine, it's Cardassian beaming though, isn't it? I just knew Jim had our beaming. That's a continuity error, whatever that is, because he's supposed to be on that runabout. Yeah, I don't know what's going on. Anyways, the emissary returns to the station

and finds a very upset and worried, but Jorin public, personified chiefly and a little girl who tells him that he has to find a way to get the profits back. All the orbs have gone dark. Yeah. What do you do for a black orb? Hmm. Now a man of varnish is going to bring back its lester. In the infirmary, uh, bishir has come out of the OR and he said the operation was a success. Dax has been lobotomized. Soon she'll begin a new life on Kronos.

And the charge of urine? We'll hang on to those. The Ankylosaurus, the only thing he was able to save, he's not able to do anything for Jetsia, which makes it down like Jetsia is dead. But then Cisco walks into the OR where she's talking to Worf and asking like, went the day well, Captain. I found this scene very affecting and I didn't think that I would. I think it's because it came as such a surprise, like it's such a bracing surprise, because you think there's no way she's

going to die and then smash cut to, to Bashir, pulling off his latex gloves and shooting them in the trash going, I did my best. Never gets any easier, anyways. The thing that, the thing that shouldn't have worked was the screen towards Stovacore and it really worked. And I cannot believe that that callback, like the first time you see it in TNG, it is... It's a laugh at the moment. It's absurd. I wondered if just not cutting to the God shot is why it was as silly.

I think so too. I think it's in the angle, the power is in the angle. Yeah, RSVP, JEDZ attacks. Cisco's like, well, we already have a torpedo flag combination ready to set up. So that's a good thing we didn't put that one away from the sound of a voice episode. Really getting value for those props. Yeah. Really bracing last like eight minutes of this episode, I feel like.

Yeah. It moves quickly through a lot of shit. Some of its power is that is how a loan sysco wants to be. Like he utilizes decks privately. He goes off on his own to process. Right. And that's a very strange thing. Like he is always someone who has had Dax's ear, like he's always consulted with people. He's always telling Boutbuckle more than he should, you know, and for him to just sort of clam up, it's different.

It feels like a lot. Yeah. And for for some reason Jake head back to Earth and he's taking an indefinite leave of absence. And we know that it's indefinite because when Kira goes to the office that is now hers with Odo, she discovers that he has taken his baseball with him. He took his ball and went home, Adam. If you're watching the show for the first time time live, do you think that this is a show

that also does not bring Ben Sisko back for the seventh season? Like, I think you have to ask yourself, right? I think that's by killing Dax in this episode, I think you could also assume fairly safely that maybe things are going to change a lot in season seven and maybe Cisco is one of them. Yeah, one of the things that changes or maybe season seven is just about him being a prep cook at his father's restaurant. The end of this episode is one of my favorite endings to a Star Trek episode That super long dissolve to the alley where he's cleaning and debiarding clams, which is dead as always called the Bivalve Trash of the Galaxy.

I love the long contemplation of this. The ambiguity of whether or not he's ever going to go back, that giant bucket of clams. Like, he's not going to be done with this job for a long time. The clams tell us so. They do indeed, Adam. But tell me, did you like this episode? You really want to do this? Here. Now, okay, okay, let's do it, do it. It is hard for me to like the episode knowing what we know about why Terry Farrell does not return in season 7. Yeah.

Because I think the episode is strong in a lot of parts, but when I really stop to think about it, this is a huge moment in all of Star Trek. When you kill a legacy character, you really need to give it a ton of thought. And it does not look like Dax's death was given the thought that would be commensurate for killing a character who has been a part of a show for 150 episodes. I was trying to come up with comparisons in Star Trek and all I came up with was Spock died after three seasons and two movies, like the first time. That's about 75 episodes. Tashiya died after 22 episodes, data died after seven seasons and four movies.

And those are like the big character deaths, right? Am I missing anyone? We probably are, but those are the ones that came first to mind. Yeah. And I feel like in every one of those instances, those characters were, like I'm not saying data's death and nemesis counts.

I'm talking about data's death and nemesis counts. I'm talking about data's death in Picard season one, as like a rightful and righteous way to pay tribute to a character. And I just, it remains to be seen whether or not this is going to be called back a bunch in season seven, but I did not feel like it was commensurate that it was that it was equal to Dax's value as a character and to Terry Ferrell's contributions as an actor like we we've talked about it before like that that it was her dispute with Rick Berman was a main reason for her leaving is shitty and Rick Berman is famously the guy who who moved the TNG schedule around so that Will Wheaton wouldn't have a big acting opportunity.

He also, I read vetoed lines of dialogue about DAX that Warfoot have had in Star Trek Insurrection. So, like, cool guy, Rick Berman. And this is like, it's a sort of executive vanity that you hear and read about so often. No one cares about you, Rick Berman. Like when people talk about what they love about Star Trek, no one saying your name. Rick Berman is nowhere near the list.

And you will continue to read about the importance of Jadziadak's character, how it makes people feel 20 years later. And it's just, it's super shitty that Berman was as allegedly spiteful and awful to her as he was. And it had like really unfair consequences to Terry Farrell. And also, Jadzi, a DAX as a character who deserved better than what she got in this episode, I thought. I don't really understand all of the ins and outs of how people are attached to this franchise and ownership and who gets say over what. Because we've talked to the Mission Log guys

about how Rod and Barry, Rod and Barry still gets a script before they shoot anything on the new shows, but I don't get the sense that he's like making active decisions all the time. He's kind of there to advise and consent as much as anything. But like, when we went to the Picard premiere, like they took time to lick Rick Berman's ass and I was really surprised by that

because I was like, doesn't everybody know that this guy is an asshole and a tool and like, not a man. And Terry Ferrell's in the audience. Like I was thinking all about her during that. Yeah. Anyways, yeah, like I think that her last scene is a credit to her as an actor.

And I think that unfortunately this episode is not a credit to her character. actor. And I think that, unfortunately, this episode is not a credit to her character. It's, I agree. It feels like they maybe found out in the midst of, you know, mounting the production of the episode or something. I almost, this only has two writer credits. And I almost think that this might have benefited from more of a writer salad. Hmm. Like, I think some other eyes could have seen some opportunities here, because there is kind of an opportunity to send this character off in a way that feels grand and earned and worthy of her role in the show. And it feels like an episode that's sort of half there.

Like it's, yeah, it's got, okay, like we need to get Cisco off the station. We need that to be why DAX dies. We also need that to be like why the profits stop being present in the lives of the pejorans. And like that's like a big and great idea for something to write an episode around. But this feels a bit hollow of a treatment of that, you know. If not specifically the writers of this episode, but the creative team, I feel like, had a choice about how to write a person off of a show. Yeah. That among those choices, one of them is death.

There are others. Totally. And like, I think it's just unfair to spitefully have killed her in the way that she does. I thought like one of the weird ideas I had was when Ducat was leaning over Dax's body. I was like, is he going to take her? And then the idea of like what if season seven Ducat took Dax's trill and put it inside him? Whoa. Then like, how is Ben Sisko going to,

to fight an enemy like that? Ha ha ha ha ha ha. Shit, Doug. How fucked up would that be for season seven? That's pretty, that's a pretty great idea. I wish you'd been in the Raiders room. Spots and spoons, man. That's called to cut. He's had all sorts of things inside him lately. Yeah, yeah. Farts and Ankylo source. Yeah, well RSVP, Jetsia Dax.

Indeed, Adam. Do you want to see if we have any priority one messages in the old inbox? I'm on my way there right now. Priority one message from Starfleet coming in on Secured Channel. Need a supplement on it. A supplement on it? A supplement. A supplement. Yeah, it's extra.

The interest alone could be enough to buy this ship. Adam, we have a couple of priority one messages here. The first one is from Dad, and it's the Galagher. Goes like this. You should call me if only because we have many episodes of the greatest generation, the greatest discovery, and the hit podcast friendly fire to discuss. Just as Ben and Adam try to humanize John Roderick on the hit podcast friendly fire, you and I should try to humanize each other. So call your dad.

Wow. Oh man, Gallagher, you gotta give your dad a call. I mean, we don't know what's going on in their family. I don't want to get in the middle of this. Uh, Gallic, if you feel okay, call your dad. One of the things that I retweet every year on Father's Day is Mark Marren tweet that he posted like eight years ago or something. Call your dad, take the hit. I always thought that was like the most succinct way

To put that I think it's perfect Ben our next priority one message is of a promotional nature we usually do the promos first but this time this time we're given at the gavel and Message goes like this I'm no maveram and whether I'm remodeling a 1700s Victorian house, or listening to the greatest gen, I want to enjoy a great glass of wine. And my favorites come from Prospice wines and Walla Walla. Prospice wines isn't Walla Walla Washington, how's that? Oh Ben, do you want to take the Vichy part?

Sure. Dinking out of the Elkened winds is a war crime! Vichy Frenchman I wish you'd shut up. As a darede I've stacked my Malibu seller with some of the universe's finest winds. And fresh fish is as good as it gets. It's no clinging on Budwine, but it pairs well with God. Wow, and check this out. Anyone who uses the promo code SCARBS will get 15% off their first order from the winery. You can go to www.prospis.wine today, and you can buy wine from a winery cool enough to advertise on greatest gem.

Wow, that's amazing. This is super exciting. I think we have more than one vintner in our listening audience, and that is very exciting news to me. I like that quite a bit. Wow, so prospis.wine is where you go. I can't wait. We should get gous.wine is where you go. Uh, I, I, I can't wait. We should get gawked at wine.

I've got over just to square space. Get ourselves a URL. Another one. Let's see what kind of wines they have. What kind of wine do you like at them? Uh, I, you know, my, my wife has gotten me way more into white wine than I ever thought. I would be. Well, can I interest you in a Vioneier or a Walla Walla Valley rosé?

I would like that quite a bit for a prosperous outline. Hey, look at that. That is a good looking bottle. You don't see labels like that. Yeah. Good looking label. don't see you don't see labels like that. Yeah, good looking good looking label. I Catching yeah Thanks to Prosper's for for doing a promo P1 on our show and

And best of luck to Gallagher and his dad Hope you guys patch things up Maybe I mean, I don't know if you drinkers, if you, if you aren't, ignore the next part, but if you are, maybe, maybe a couple of bottles of wine would help. Break the ice. That seems, that seems likely. Well, if you'd like to break the ice with your son or sell some hooch, head to maximumfund.org slash jembo tron, where it's a hundred bucks for a personal message or two hundred for a commercial message, and we really appreciate it. A greatest-gen live show is something you don't want to miss.

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That was pretty withering by him. I mean, he is playing in a way game diplomatically, but he is very confident in that moment that he is not going to be stabbed by a Klingon. And I love that scene a whole lot. He's like the survivor in that episode of Curb Your Enthusiasm where the light is reflecting off of the survivor's eye, hitting Larry in the face.

And Larry's like trying to block it and the survivor thinks he's being made fun of. Okay. Okay. Oh man, that's some back catalog Larry right there. I need to do it. Sure it is. I need to go diving into that.

It's a really fun episode. What about you, Ben? There are two guys that I wanted to give it in that same scene. It's one of those high-level meetings that you sometimes see in government where there's the people seated at the table. And then they all have aides that are sitting kind of around the perimeter of the room. And there are two guys in TNG, season three uniforms, like back- sip TNG uniforms in there. And I wondered like what what happened in those guys careers that they're still rocking that uniform.

I was hoping so much that one of them would be would be Robert DeSoto. I know. to Soto. I know. Michael Kavanaugh still alive today was definitely alive back when they made deep space nine. I just... you got to give that guy a call. I say, give him a call. I don't know what's going on with Robert to Soto. Yeah. He, you know, he's a super hungover. A little bit, like, trying to keep it down in the back. Yeah. Sorry, guys, I got wasted on the way here. Pretty rough ride. Hood's got a shaky back axle right now and really doesn't help things.

Well, always a rough ride is our game of buttholes. Will of the prophet. A board that we must consult as we discuss what might be coming our way in the first episode of season seven. This is of course a goch that biz slash game game and currently the runabout is on square 44. We have a couple of hazards up ahead. We've got a cocoa no no and a space butthole that would take us down to a fuck it. We'll do it live, which is Adam's most hated square on the board. Sure is. Adam's most hated square on the board. Sure is. All right, Adam, I'm gonna go ahead and roll this bone,

and I will see what we get. Oh, but I gotta tell you about the episode also, don't I? Yeah, do that first. You do that first. It's season seven, episode one, image in the sand. With the wormhole closed, Cisco struggles to find a way to reestablish contact with the Bajurian profits. Yeah, you know, in retrospect, he tells that little girl,

he's gonna try and reconnect with the profits, and then he just bales. I wonder how much time he lets pass before he... They cut to the little girl, like looking at a window of a docking ring, like, I mean, I guess he's gonna go do it somewhere else. It seemed like he's flying in the opposite direction of where the wormhole used to be, what's going on?

He made a pretty emphatic commitment to doing that when he kneeled down and put his hand on my shoulder, looked me in the eye. What guess is right in shotgun? I'm going, Eris too. Be sure to see Belle be up real tight. Not much used me being around here, the Prophet being gone at all. I suppose I'll do what I've always wanted to do and see the galaxy. Starting with a little Creole restaurant and New Orleans.

Ha ha ha ha. You're required to learn as you play. Roll. Alright, I'm going to roll this. Yeah. See what we get. Tula! Did I win?

Hardly. I rolled a Prenica, Adam. I rolled a one. Alright. Well, in square 45, regular old episode to kick off the final season of deep space nine. Can you believe it? No. It seems like it is really sped by too soon.

That's what I'm thinking. Yeah. Well, it's never too soon to become a supporting member of the greatest generation. too soon to become a supporting member of the greatest generation. You can become one of the best friends of DeSoto by heading to maximumfun.org slash join. We had a totally amazing max fun drive and we just want to say thank you so much to everyone who joined up. I know it was really long but you all came through in a huge way. And we're hugely appreciative of that. You can follow our Twitter and Instagram handles. They are, we are greatest trek on both of those platforms. Those accounts are run by our good buddy Bill Tilly, who makes legendary comedic trading cards about every episode of the show,

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so it just wouldn't be the same. I think we could bring a lot of social pressure onto the goose putting that out there. Here's a tip. Go check out his YouTube cooking channel. Yeah, subscribe to that. Subscribe to that. And then within the first hour of a new video going up, leave a message in the comments saying, Hey, I hope you do the Janeway song for Greatest Gen. That would really help a lot. That is, of course, in reference to Adam Regusia telling you and I that all he ever does is read comments

in the first hour, and then he stops. Yeah. Completely. He doesn't know what happens after that first hour. It's amazing. It's a pretty good strategy. Yeah. We really appreciate doesn't know what happens after that first hour. It's amazing. It's a pretty good strategy. Yeah. We really appreciate all the music he's made.

Of course, dark material made the original Picard song. That was the inspiration for all of that. And he was also kind enough the grandest permission to use it. Shout out to my Jim Shimoda. Group out there. Getting strong. Hope you are too.

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