The Greatest Generation - The Canoe Has Ridges (DS9 S2E8)

Episode Date: April 16, 2018

When Quark finds himself in a real film noir situation, it jogs memories with very muted colors for Odo. But when the case connects to events from the past, the sets get even smokier. Did Bajoran jewelers ever go through a modernist design period? What is Rom ever even doing? Are the Siskos being written off the show? It’s the episode where we goo through all the doors. Follow The Game of Buttholes: The Will of the Prophets!

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I'm Ben Harrison. I'm Adam Pranaka, Ben where humbled Ben we're Humbled, we're Odd. We're recording this episode two weeks early. So, yeah, hopefully all went according to plan. It's gonna be the honor system. We are going to assume that our listeners came out in a big way to support the show, but we have no way of knowing that right now.

So if you didn't, you should be fucking ashamed of yourselves. We're like parents who came home from work, and we have not seen the mess that the kids have made, and so we're just being really nice to the kids. When we pulled up, I could have sworn the house was completely trashed. Negative visualization, Jerry. Explains a lot about where you're at.

When that bowling ball comes off the top shelf of the closet and hits us in the head. You're going to be in big, big trouble. Ben speaking of overstepped things, I went to, I took a visit to our PO box and I found a couple of packages in there. Would you like me to tell you what they are? Just hate mail, right? It's just like, I hate pledge time. Fuck you. Like, you didn't have to pay for postage to do that. Yeah, you could have just sent us an email. Captain, I'm sorry to disturb you.

I'm receiving a code 47. Verify? It is code 47, sir. Starfleet emergency frequency. Captions eyes only. I went to the box and it was stuffed with two whole packages, Ben. You only opened those up? Open them shits. The first one is

hilariously post marked from the polar region. The polar region does not have a zip code that I know of. And inside Whoa, inside what we have are a couple of Adidas wristbands and Adidas headbands with Isolinear chips, whoa Isolinear chips on them and this appears to be from the fitness community that is known as Jim Shimoda. Oh man, Hashtag Jim Shimoda tearing it up on the internet. I really love that the friends of Disoto have embraced Jim Shimoda and they're using it to,

you know, get fit and stay motivated and do all their New Year's resolutions. It's super cool to see. This is a package sent from all 182 of the Jim Shimoda rats. Ben, please accept these modest gifts as a thank you for inspiring the friends of DeSoto to support one another in their physical and mental health through the Facebook group Jim Shimoda. For February onwards, we've encouraged each other

at all levels of fitness to meet personal goals and just post about it. You can be anything from Warf Calistetics, Troy and Beverly Jazz or Size or even Ambo Jitsu. You'll find in this care package your very own isolinear chips, no sweat required as well as some sweat bands. We humbly ask for you to release a second run of the coveted Jim Shimoda shirts. Man.

We acknowledge this naked bribery in any cases literally, but because so many of our members lack a shirt to wear Our groupers eager to represent who we are as we stack those chips in order to live long a prosper. Thank you for your consideration Wow Jim Shimotorats with a with a bribe and an appeal What do you think Adam? I think that so we wanted to What do you think, Adam? I think that, so we wanted to do that as a limited run because we felt like it would just be like, it's available for this period of time. And if we brought it back,

like nobody would ever believe us if we ever did a limited run of anything ever again. Right, and I think the way that we can get out of that is maybe through the production of a second edition of this remote shirt. Right, like a different color, so you know that it's the second run. Right, right. Uh, that would mean not lying.

I mean, it could even have a slightly different design for all I know, but I do definitely want to hook up our Gymshimotor rats with a way for them to be explicitly prideful. Jim Shimoda is one of the greatest things that we've ever done. Like most of the greatest things we've ever done, it was just a total incidental throwaway piece of dialogue by one of us that really took off. Why don't we do this? Starting sometime soon, we will do a second different color color, gym, shimota, tank top and t-shirt run.

We'll do a better job of promoting at this time because I think one thing that we fucked up last time is that we didn't really make it clear that it was actually for sale. Or that it was in danger of ending. I remember being caught by surprise the moment the sale ended and I had planned on hyping the last hours of that so this time we'll be better. This time we'll be better. We learned a lot from the last time. This time we'll be better. It could be the greatest gen motto. But yeah, we'll do our best to have a new Jim Shimoto shirt.

That care package changed my mind on that issue and we really appreciate it. Yeah, it appears the bribery worked. Keep on pumping, Jim Shimoto rats. Pump it up and pump it out. Second package comes from Scott. He's from New Lennox, Illinois. And he has sent... Oh, he sent Star Trek game cards to us.

These are the game cards, the OG game cards. Oh nice. Like the collectible card game that we play war with. The collectible card game that we play war with. The collectible card game that we play war with. Are they the white border joints? We have two white borders and a black border. The black border is Kevin Oxbridge. We have a white border who's noct ship and a white border USS Hood. Nice. That's what you call all killer no filler. I think that on one of our tour stops on our tour last year, somebody gave us each a loaded deck of customizable card game cards that had like everything we'd ever made jokes about in one deck. Yeah. That's pretty fun. There's a letter here from Scott that says, I remember back in last April I just discovered

Sabones, which is another Max Fun show. And I kept hearing this awful promo for what sounded like an absolutely terrible Star Trek show. However, hearing that same promo war me down, little by Little, the way Bishir hopes to wear Dax down. Just to be clear, you guys were Bishir. It's his parentheses, and unlike the Bishir Dax connection, I actually gave it a try. I was hooked. I wanted those weirdos who listens to podcasts multiple times through, and I think I'm on

run 4 or 5 of your show since last April. I just can't get enough. Wow. As a token of my esteem, I have decided to make an attempt to tip the scales of war and close we will you will find the ultimate assignment the USS Hood and also cards for the hoos knock ship and Kevin Oxbridge. I'm sorry I cannot manage to send a second one to ensure the balance brought on by mutually assured Oxbridge.

But folks can that be? Someone gets to press the big red button and will make good pot. My only request is these cards be shared in a fair manner. You guys can decide who gets what ship, but I think it would be the most fun if you used an RNG to decide who gets the Oxbridge. Thanks for the pot. May there be many more Star Trek's in your future. Love Scott. Glad that we wore Scott down. Thanks for the pod. May there be many more Star Trek in your future. Love Scott. Glad that we wore Scott down. Thanks Scott. Wow, well, our thanks to Scott from New Lennox and those

Jim Shimotorats working out from within the polar region. If you would like to send us a prize. That's a tagels, right? Is that what that's called? Yeah. If you like the polar region. If you'd like to send us a bribe or anything else, our PO box is easy to get. I think you just send us a tweet or look forward on the Facebook page. Well, Adam, do you want to get into the stone cold who done it that we came here to talk about today? Stone Cold Who Done It That We Came Here To Talk About Today? Yeah, the Colombo Of Star Trek Episodes. Let's do it, Ben. It's Season 2 Episode 8. Necessary Evil. Do you realize how many cannibal this seems?

No, of course you don't. The opening shot is in a, like a candlelit room with a storm raging outside the window, woman in a white dress telling Quirk. I didn't kill him, you know. A lot of people believed it was me. That shape-shipped with that so. This real film noir situation, the beautiful lady saying she's in a center of a terrible crime and a dumb detective. Trying to figure out what the truth is, that's Quark.

It's really reads as a Quark episode from Jump. And I was a little exhausted of Quark. I mean, despite our good feelings about our last episode, generally, I was like, come on, do we really need two fucking quirk episodes back to back like this? I mean, who show is this? Yeah, give me a break. This lady has the most interesting, but you're in earring we've seen so far.

It's very modern looking compared to your average Kira or Rho. Did she look familiar to you at all, Ben? This lady? Yeah. No. Should she have? Yeah, she is under far less makeup than she was in the TNG episode The Game. She was...

Really? TNG episode the game. She was a... Ealy. She was the lead antagonist in that episode. She was a, she's the one who, who rolled around with Riker on Ryza and then came back in her own ship to take over the entrepreneur. Damn, I'm a lead gamer. She had a shock of red hair in that,

if I remember correctly. Yeah. I feel like that red hair just was so distracting that I was just looking for that. Her face loaf in that game episode really obscured how really pretty she is. Yeah. That bejora knows. You can put that on anybody and they still look great. It's true So she is after a lock box an ironclad lock box inside a wall on deep space nine and she She puts this to quirk like pull a caper go steal that that lock box and bring it back to me and Quark is nothing if not up for a keeper.

So he promises to do it. For reasons, we may not ever know. I mean, she's gonna pay him. Yeah, I guess that helps. Yeah. She's stacking that lat. And Quark is sprung on that latinum. Yeah, like much more than on her even.

He's sprung on that lat. Back on Deep Space 9, Odo. He's closing up shop in the second of two episodes in a row that depict such a closure of the promenade. Yeah, what the hell? They must be setting something up. What are the hours of closure? Like, is there last call and then it's closed for a while

and then it opens up for breakfast? The Reppelamat should be 24-7, right? It's just fucking replicators. That doesn't depend on an employee. I would be super pissed if I were hungry and there was no place to get a burrito at any hour. Like, you need a bodega. Say it with me.

Bodega. You got to accommodate the people that are on this station that don't have the same internal clock as everybody else. This is one thing our good buddy, John Roderick, has been talking about a lot lately is the difficulty in rewiring your body's own signals about when sleep should be happening.

It's almost impossible. It's almost impossible. Start trick six, Ben. Not everyone keeps their internal clock in the same place. Yeah. Roderick, for example, keeps his and his knee. Right.

Odo has been ordered by station commander Sisko to start to keep a police blotter in the form of a security log. So he's monologuing the security log as he walks around and it's him. It's basically his kind of salty ass opinion of the idea of keeping a log at all, which he doesn't agree with. He doesn't like the human tendency to keep records and write things down. Odo records a personal log like a hostage recording a ransom video. He's like, my name is Odo. It's Tuesday. I'm being treated very well.

I like that this is happening mostly because Odo has been a cipher from the start and any attempt by the show to draw him out in any way that's constructive, I think, is good. It's fucking... ...get inside of his head. Is gooey little head. Yeah.

He thinks he's got a mind like a steel trap. We know he's got a mind like oozing honey. Yeah, that sweet, sweet local honey that is... ...Odo's head. So presumably he steps out and slides himself into that bucket and out pop, ROM and Quark pulling the the caper of the century, breaking into the one of the stores on the promenade. And there's some fun stuff where ROM turns out to be like better at breaking into shit than Quark is because

Quark doesn't always give ROM leave to open up the store room at the bar and so ROM has developed like lock breaking skills because of that because sometimes he needs to restock This scene really caught my attention because it's a wonder and it's almost a minute long. Did you notice that? I didn't notice that. Man, I've I just watched the movie Atomic Blonde the other day which is almost totally unremarkable aside from an amazing Warner that involves Charlize Theron kicking like 75 people's asses. And it goes from the sixth floor of a building and into a car and through the streets of Berlin. And it's all one uninterrupted shot. It's really great. But yeah, this I did not notice, but I should have.

It was such a unique thing that maybe you want to look up who directed the episode. It's a guy named Jim Conway, and I know how much we don't like to do research, but I looked into his Star Trek credits, and he has directed some heavy apps. He did duet, and he did three apps in TNG. He did Justice, the Neutral Zone, and Frame of Mind, which were all very unique looking episodes. Yeah, no shit. So this guy is kind of a dude to watch out for, he's going to be directing five more Eps

of Deep Space 9 going forward, and I know personally I kind of want to look out for those. I wonder how much he had to do with the costume decisions in justice. Yeah, I don't know. But in the way that I really wrote for Rob Bowman in those early TNG apps, I want to look out for these Jim Conway apps. I think I'm, I want to either do a long take in this episode

or like could we consider putting the Farenci in some slightly more knuck revealing? No? Okay, we'll do the long take. We'll do the long take. Like he just wears one of the Edo uniform to set. It's very comfortable. No shit Jim. It looks very comfortable. No shit Jim, it looks very comfortable. Pull away this wall panel. There behind it is this strong box. They take it back to the bar. And because Quark is such an Averishes character, you can't help but open it up and see what's inside it.

Like the lady, the lady that gave him the gig, was very specific that this is not a valuable object in this. It's something of sentimental value to her. She wants this strong box back because she has a sentimental connection to the content. And Cork doesn't believe that. He opens it up and it's a piece of paper. And we get to see like, but Jorin handwriting on this piece of paper. Right.

It's funny because they like, they refer to letters, you know, like the first name started with a C and ended with an O, but I guess that's the universal translator, translating the name for bejorin letters into names for Roman letters. Right. Like, it's not names for Roman letters. Right. Like, it's really not the Roman alphabet on there. I really like this detail because, I mean, if you were to just sit down and make up a written alphabet, I think you'd start repeating things after like 10 characters, but this really

looks like its own language. Yeah. It looks legitimate in a way that definitely shows that some effort was put in here. It's a cool piece of production design. And no sooner have they started to take a look at this list than a guy who was kind of lurking in the shadows in the White Dress Ladies house, comes into the bar, you know,

Quark is saying like, hey, dog, uh, we're closed, you got to clear out. And uh, the guy blasts him. And there's a very fun wire stunt where Quark, like Quark keeps getting blasted back. That's kind of a move that keeps happening to him. Quarks like, I don't know what you're doing here, but the place is closed and the guy just affixes the jerk cable to Quarks clothing. Get your hands off of me, man, I'll pour you a drink. What are you doing back there? It's a really fun piece of cutting, too. I watched this section of the episode a couple of times

because they cut to the phaser blast. Ah! Yeah, and it lights up Quirk's face and it looks stunned. You need it to light up his face so it obscures the stunt guy. Right. There's a good piece of stagecraft happening here. Yeah.

That's where some scrutiny? It's fun. Yeah Rom comes back from whatever he is doing and finds Quark on the floor. Who is rom doing? I don't know anytime It who knows I'm sure that there's something in the script about why he went away, but Who's to say and And he starts screaming bloody murder that his brother is dead. Somebody help! My brother's been killed!

It appears for a time that Quark is not in great shape. Like, he appears dead, medically, Bashir is struggling to stabilize his life signs. They get him into 6B and they're barely able to do that, but his prognosis is not good. It's going to be more of a longer term thing than people will hope. And so he spends most of the episode and so he spends most of the episode comatose in six bay. Yeah, because he's the only person that got a look at the guy that shot him and he's the only person that got a real good look at the list. So it's like, you kind of have to take him out of the story

for the story to be interesting at this point. Right. But yeah, like the, and it's weird, like the station doesn't have a lot it can do in this eventuality. Like they try to delay ships from leaving because the, you know, the assailant must have been, you know, had a plan to get off the station, but they can't delay them forever. And so they don't have an unlimited amount of authority to track down the killer, you know.

They sure don't. I mean, it's the same rules that prevent them from tracking down the killer, the same ones that prevent cameras from being put up in quarks. There's a limitation here that security people have. And Odo is putting the screws to ROM really quickly because ROM has a ton of established motive. Like ROM has already attempted to kill Quark a bunch of times. So...

I love how that's never brought up as a reason. It's only that he stands to gain from Quark's death in terms of Quark leaving the bar to him. But in this case, Ram is like pretty convincingly not at fault. And Cisco even like intervenes while Odo is interrogating him and goes, come on, dude, the guy is the dad of my son's best friend. Can you do at least a little bit of courtesy based upon that. And it winds up being Cisco that gets Rom to admit that they did in fact have something

that the killer, that the would be killer wanted, which is a list. Welcome back to the show, Ben Cisco. Also, exit stage right, Ben Cisco. I think this is the last you see of him. Yeah. He's only seen for a couple of apps. It's so weird. He's I mean, like this happened to cure a few apps I go to, right? Where she just like kind of had a line or two and then wasn't in the episode. She was there to be. She was there to be. She gave Kiko more story courtesy than they give Ben Sisko. Like, he never gets a write off. Yeah, it's weird.

Yeah. And also, Sir Rock Lofton, like, how long has it been since we've seen that person whose name is in the credit package, whereas Ram, we see all the time, and he's fucking not in the credit package. It's not that they're instrumental to either of these apps, but their perspective would be welcome right and

illustrative of Other people's motivations and what's going on right this it's not long before ROM has admitted that in fact He had quirk broken to a shop and stole this strong bucks that had this list in it and that's why quirk got gatted. Oh, shut, so he had an odo head over to the scene of the crime and there's a fun cut where they, you know, Ram offers to break the lock again and Odo knows the password and we cut to the other side and all of the color temperature has changed and the door swings open and Odo is standing there in like a Nehru jacket and there's a

bunch of Kardashians around and there is a ton of like they've really smoked up the the set so there's a ton of atmospheric perspective and all the scenes. It's clear that this is a different time, but the same place. It's a very elegant way to have made that transition. I think it's great. I expected Odo to goo through the chain link. Did you expect that? What does he need a door for? I totally, I was totally predicting that too. Wouldn't it be unnecessarily going through things all the time if you could?

He gooes through and then has to change the angle of the gun so that it can also come through. Right. I really like the set design of past deep space nine as Teraq Noir. I think, like you say, it's so atmospheric and interesting. It's more than just a color temperature thing. It is a really dark place. It's a dark place. What's your theory on the way they got this look?

I'm guessing that they're not digitally color processing this footage, so I mean, I kind of think that, you know, just because of like the era this takes place in, I'm kind of thinking that they jailed all the lights for daylight and used tungsten color temperature film or something. Yeah, it seemed that way to me. Or maybe just like filtered the lens with a blue filter?

Yeah, I mean, it would have to be a technique that would seem fairly alien to us right now, because the thing about video production at the moment is like you don't bake anything into your footage that you can't remove later. Right. And so you want to shoot a super clean version that you can fuck around with. Yeah, when I was in college, a friend of mine directed a film that he wanted to shoot on black and white and it was like it was really hard to even find black and white film stock at that point because I mean even even films that are shot now that come out in black and white,

typically are shot on color and then desaturated in post. And the fact that he got enough 35 millimeter film to shoot a film on black and white was like really tricky and hard to do. And that was like the early part of the era of you never wanna make a decision in production that you can't change in post. Like I think this television show was shot in the era of you know what you wanted to look like in the end and many of those things

have to happen in camera when you make the show. Yeah, and personally, that's just a terrifying idea to consider really. Yeah, you're stuck with it, man. You gotta be so sure. Yeah, and fortunately, it works out with great success because I think the look really holds. It does not look like you can really overdo this effect to its detriment. And I think it's just right.

If you watch an episode of, say, Vayntarpump rules, they go for something similar. That is one of the sickest times. Yeah, fully bedazzling. And it looks terrible every single time. I'll never forgive you for exposing me to that show in during my most recent visit to your home. Because everyone knows the real housewives of Beverly Hills is a superior show to Vanderpump rules.

It's a Hilliapodaya. Boy, that is a hard disagree, Adam. I think that Vanderpump is a better show in almost every way. It's better produced. The storylines are much more entertaining. Oh, come on. The characters are dumber in funer ways. There's not enough lease of Vanderpump, though. I'm passionate about dogs, just not crazy about bitches.

She's kind of the peccard of Vanderpump rules. Like if there was a series where Picard was just a lieutenant on a ship somewhere, that's who she is in real housewives, but on Vanderpump rules she is the captain, she's the one making all the like all the moral calls at the end of the day, you know Fucking hate Stasi. I think this checks out you've convinced me Well, this has been a another exciting episode of the greatest pump tune in next week for the next one Oh, yeah, that that make for a great supporter's only up. Yeah, if we really do something special with our pledge drive, we'll do a greatest pump app.

We'll dedicate it to our gym Shimoda people. Hell yeah. Gold to cut, gold to cut, gold to cut. So. We're here in the past and so is Gold to Cut, the prefect the cut, the cut. So we're here in the past, and so is Golducot, the prefect of Taraknor. He's the head cardassian, and he is giving Odo a gig. He does not appear to be more youthful than modern

Ducot, which leads me to believe that maybe Cardash don't crash. It's only five years ago. Why would he have crashed in the meantime? I don't know. Look, it's just a theory that I came up with, right? We've got five more seasons to see if cardash does crash as they age. And I'm gonna believe that they don't. Okay, fair enough.

Well, you're not gonna be combing gold to cats that you're here, that's what I'm here to say. Yeah, well, I don't think that most aliens age in that kind of a rapid pace, but I'm just here in the cheap seats Adam, I don't know. Flashback to God. I certainly do. Like I look at pictures of myself five years ago

and I'm like Jesus Christ, I have really started to look shitty. Yeah, I agree. This life is napkin kind. Hahaha. Flashback to God wants Odo to help with a murder investigation because Ducot sort of kicked back in this room using a dead body as an ottoman

that he then pulls the blanket off of and he's like, I need your help to investigate you who killed this guy. I can't be the one to do it because none of these bejorins are gonna talk to me. They'll talk to you though because you're sort of a neutral party. You're like a gooey Switzerland. Yeah. Odo is not seen as affiliated with any particular group of bejorins or with the

Kardashians. So he can, he can, he can get honest answers out of people. Also, DuCott says he'll kill 10 random bejorins if he doesn't do it. So that helps, that helps Odo become a little more interested in this project than he was for that. Does he really say that? I totally missed that. Yeah. Yeah.

He's like, you know, normally I would just kill 10 bejorins as an example. You know, that usually gets people talking. But I think I might go the Yoda way this time, the peaceful way. Man, Goldu Cut is, he doesn't get enough credit for being a magnanimous leader. He's low key violent though. I like that about him. Yeah, he's kind of a gengus con type, where's like things about him that are like really

progressive but also he's got a massive body count. Yeah, there's a lot to like about him. I'm gonna introduce a written language. Sure. I'm gonna civilize places and and like let them let their armies join my armies. Sure, but I'm also gonna do a lot of like burning villages to the ground and killing everybody in them. So we get a couple of characters that show up in these past scenes, one of whom is the film noir lady from the first scene.

This is Mrs. Vatric and she's the widow of the dead guy Audemann that we saw a moment ago. She's styled so differently that I was unsure if she was the same lady or not. Yeah. I had to rewind and see like, what were they calling her? What's this after? The same.

The makeup and the styling is different and the lighting doesn't help either. It does definitely obscure who she is. And its context clues that were the only reason that I was able to put it together. I think the thing that they needed to do was have her have the same earring in both scenes. Like if the earring, because the earring is very distinctive in the first scene and it's like a pretty unremarkable pejorine earring in the in the past. Right. And I don't think it needs to be the super modern looking one from the first scene, but something that is that distinct would have helped us as an audience see like this is the same character.

Right. Right. So what she's telling Odo is that her husband had been cheating on her and even though that had happened, killing him is not something that he would ever do. But who he thinks killed him is a lady having a lunch alone over there. And who she points to is Ponytail Edition Major Kira. Oh, man. As the other woman.

Very exciting to see. Yeah, I mean, you can't really blame uh... that trick for for falling for pony tail kira who is just incredibly fetching with that ponytail i mean like shame on him for stepping out on his lovely wife but also uh... ponytail there was a ponytail involved.

And so, like, what's interesting about these flashbacks is that Odo in very rapid succession begins his investigation by talking to three people most involved in it, like moments apart. He talks to, to Kat, he talks to Vatric, and then he just sits down and talks to Kira in front of Vatric basically. Right. And it's like, like, they literally like rack focused to her. I talk about the fact that Kira was hanging out with this woman's husband. It's like, whoa, she was right there. Yeah, it had to be awkward for Kira, but Kira does not seem to pay it any mind. Or her.

She's a... Kira is a really steely-eyed person in this era. Like, it's fun to see Nanavizitara play with what that character was going through in the Cardassian era, because it's really different. Like, it's the same major cure, but with a very different set of wants and needs and a very different way of interacting with people and a very different relationship with Odo, like this is the first time they ever exchange words. But a girl like you shouldn't be eating alone.

I don't do whatever it is you want, not for money, not for food. No, you misunderstand. I'm sorry. I was impressed with how born to get hard edition, Major Kira is not totally dissimilar from modern era, Major Kira. Like those hard edges are very subtly rounded off rounded off. She's the same amount of haunted. Yeah, and I think that's a testament to her skills as an actor. Yeah, good choice as a character

creator too. I don't want to hear about her being this great redemption story. She's still very much holding on to this past that she's got. Right. So, so let's say like where we are in the mystery at this point, because it was a little tricky to keep track of. Vatrix has been, he did. She has fingered Kira as the person that she thinks might be to blame. Kira has an alibi in that she is here on the station looking for work and trying to get a job at the Ferengi bar, right? Yeah, an alibi that in the form of quirk who corroborates this for a moment. For a moment.

And then like back in the present, like we check in a couple of times and it's like Odo putting the screws to Ram saying like, hey listen, your brother is clinging to life because of what you guys dug out of that wall. Like what did you see on the list? Like clear your mind of everything in it. If there's anything there. And all we know is that it's eighth names and the first letter of each name are B-E-N-G-H-A-Z-I. So that's what the mystery is.

I'm just saying what happened to those emails, Ben? Right. Yeah. If anybody has those emails, if you're listening, Russia. We cut back to modern DS9 and Odo is still plunking away at his log. And he expresses the idea that this case he never closed five years ago is now a hot case. It's no longer cold. What was once cold is now hot.

And yeah, so he like he travels to Beijor. He is interviewing Vatric like why why these names? Why why eight names? Why those specific letters? What does it mean? Why would he hide it in a wall? Why did you pay Quirk now to steal it? She's sticking to the story that it's a sentimental item and she wants to help, but she's not going to, she doesn't know the name that he tries,

you know, they have like a half remembered name from the list and it doesn't mean anything to her as far as she's willing to admit. And so Odo heads out and he's at the door and he turns around and he fucking actually Columbus her. Oh, listen, there's one other thing I wanted to ask you about. Yeah, it's pretty great. It feels like a definite wink at the viewer here. Yeah, which is fun.

If this investigation kicking off depends on, on Ram, recalling a fragment of a name on this list, Ram's got to be able to read, right? And not only read, but read Bejorin. Yeah, I thought that was an interesting bit of character for him that they really just sort of glossed over for the sake of story expediency because so much is made of nog being unable to read. Like I got to feel that that ROM has got to be like in the upper echelon of Ferengy education for that to be true.

Yeah, what are the Ferengy values surrounding literacy? I guess they're only tied to profit so that like in order to work on that station, I bet that would be a very profitable skill set to have. Yeah, but like, is not a literate entirely or is the only a literate in English? Is that what's going on? Is Jake just teaching him to read a different alphabet?

I don't know. I feel like we're very in the weeds now. Well, the thing that's getting Columboed here is that Odo has pulled her utility bill and found that she had her power cut off, but she recently paid the power company. So what's going on? She says, oh yeah, friend loan me some money to cover my energy bill. And I'm gonna keep their name private, my guppy friend. Right on the heels of this scene, the name that ROM tells Odo is like, begins with a C and ends in a 0. Like, Chiso, Chizo, Cheez-it, Cheeto. Like, he goes through some things and it's definitely Chitara.

Right. But one thing that happens not long after is someone named Chisaro ends up dying in a pond on their own property. And this is just after Odo has this conversation with Vatric. So it seems a little suspect that this list of people has a person on it that has just recently wound up dead. Yeah, like Kira lays this on him and he feels really guilty about it. He's like, shit, I should not have let that name slip through my lips because she probably

pointed a finger and had that guy off. All of the signs are pointing to Patrick at this point as the killer, like both on the cold case and on being behind what happened to Cork. One thing that really rides for the idea that Odo is terrible at security is that as soon as anyone involved in an investigation turns up dead, or maybe I don't know, has had an attempt made on their life, you should probably put a guard at their six-bay room. And Cork just exists in a coma state with no one around, basically. And I think it's at this point that Odo's like,

oh man, we should put a guard on that guy. Yeah. Good thinking, Odo. I hope nobody comes in with flowers later and plunges a knife through that guard's chest. So back in the past at him, Odo is talking to Quark, and this is like old time Quark's bar.

It's a lot more spare than contemporary Quark's bar, a lot more Cardassian iconography around. Quark does not yet know that Odo doesn't drink. I guess that's why we don't see you around here much. Odo is like, I heard that hot lady with the ponytail has an alibi with you. And Korka's like, she has more than an alibi, buddy. We banged. It's a thought that just gives me the chills.

Yeah. I was half asleep for most of this episode on the edge of my seat for this scene. Yes. I was like, what? What? No. I don't believe this. Fortunately, it's not true. It's pretty quickly revealed that this was an alibi that Kira paid Quirk to maintain for her because she was doing some dirt there on the station. You'd think that as Kira was counseling Quark on this alibi and the details of it,

she would take great care in saying like, at no point should you mention in constructing this alibi that you and I slept together because no one would believe that. Keep a believable cork and try to avoid any mention of us having a romantic relationship. Cork did not get the memo there. I think that was the point that Odo was unable to suspend his disbelief. This is one of a couple scenes where Odo is in the process of extracting a key piece of evidence for his case when Galdu Kott just like walks in having apparently overheard everything and goes like, okay, cool. So we're arresting Kira, right?

And Odo goes like, no, no, no, like this is, I just found one thing out. Like we don't, we don't know everything yet. Not ready to make an arrest. This is a really interesting effect because it made me, it made me think of this more in terms of a memory than an actual factual log of events that we were watching. Yeah. Because according to Odo's memory, the feeling that Ducat was over his shoulder just at all times, constantly threatening. It was interesting to see that play out actually and not like metaphorically. Which is how memory works for a lot of people. Yeah, is it actual or is it metaphoric, but via the metaphor of memory?

Yeah, and I really appreciated that it was not made clear. And I just chose to interpret it as a fearful memory that heightens the tension. Pretty cool. Yeah. So the next scene is the present, and Odo has cracked the code of what the list is. He's found the eight names,

and they are eight people that suddenly, Vatrix phone records show she has been in pretty constant communication with. Like eight phone numbers that she never called in the weeks and years before the attempted murder of Quirk to now being in constant communication with these eight people. We're finding out so much about Bezier in this episode. Yeah.

Maybe most importantly, there are no burners on Bezier. Hahaha. Because either Vatric is just an idiot or technologically her attempts at obfuscation are being stifled. Yeah, what's wrong, Patrick? You can't go to a Metro PCS and get a fucking prepaid. Yeah, give me a break. And it begins to be discussed that these eight names are the names of eight people that

were collaborators. They were like Rishi Bajorans, basically. Yeah, kind of a dark thought. I didn't even consider the possibility of this being a thing. Yeah, I mean, you know, there's always people that are out for a book, I guess. Yeah, like after the Kardashians bugged out, you know, there's always people that are out for a buck, I guess. Yeah, like after the Cardassians bugged out, you know, these guys had a fairly soft landing in the aftermath. They're living in in polatial estates. Yeah, polatial estates are in ate with gates that automate, so though this you hate can only

spectate. Right. And what's clear upon the list being found is that Vatric is attempting to extort the people on this list. It's Blackmail bin. It's Blackmail most foul and Odo brings this information to Cisco and DAX and gets the permission he needs to pursue Vatric and bring her to the station so that he can level this accusation against her. He walks out of Quirksbar and there is the sneaky, bejorin guy that was in the shadows in her house and who shot Quirk. And he's here back in Quirksbar drinking the blue drink of Seraptitious Eve shopping. Otos security logs are getting so hard boiled.

They start with him being just derisive of the idea, and now they're like in the naked city there are 8 million stories. So, he's so fucking in love with his own brutal style of pros. He... Are these thoughts appropriate for a Starfleet log? I don't care. He doesn't want to do it, but he turns out being the best at it. It's great. It's so much fun. One of the things we find out around this time is that Kira's alibi was about covering

up her sabotage, which she was there to do, and not about covering up a murder she didn't commit. Yeah. And not about covering up a murder she didn't commit. Yeah, she was there wearing her sabote around a sensitive part of deep space nine and then and then flung them into the machine. That's the one thing you don't want to do on Teraq Warben is let anyone on board who's wearing their sabote. You can have a real bad time. Yeah. Those gears are gonna grind to a halt.

But this is another alibi for the murder, right? Yeah. And it's double alibi. It's the alibi behind the alibi. Right. And she couldn't have done the murder because she was too busy blowing shit up, you know, given the, given the mine workers a couple of weeks off because they got to, got to rebuild the machines. And that's like, it's like she has just divulged that

to auto when again, Goldu-Cott bursts into the room. Is this her? I told you when I have the name. Is this her? Man, it's fun to think that, uh, Goldu-Cott got this close two different times to taking major Kira out off the board and out of his life And instead he's got six seasons of television to look forward to her kicking his ass There is a lot of grabbing people by the arm in this episode. And that starts here. Well, it just goes to match with the previous episode,

and there was a lot of grabbing people by the ass. Yeah. Yeah, this is a grabby season. That's very grabby. Ben, one thing I wanted to drop in this episode, and I don't know if this is the place, is that there was a scene that was cut out of it. Really? And that scene involves DuCott and Vatrix relationship, which was sexual. Damn. And it is one of the main

regrets of both the DuCott character and this episode specifically is that how that would have changed the context of the mystery had you known that they were having an affair throughout. What do you think Cardassian Don looks like? Well, I think it's just got a great big shaft given what their necks look like. You think it like comes in off? It's like much wider at the base than it is at the tip. It has an extremely flared base.

It's like a bouncy horse. What do you think, what do you think, but your advantage looks like? Does it got little ridges? Yeah, I think the hood has the same, is it pick up the same pattern as the nose? I think that's it exactly, yes, a rich hood. The canoe has ridges.

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it was like a round piece of plastic with a plastic nub in attached to a magnet so that when you ran it over a nail head, it stuck straight out. But it didn't stick out hardly at all. Like, this contractor was like, yeah, I just call it my little bean. And I looked at it and I looked back at him and I was like, this doesn't look like anything to me. I know not of which you refer. So look out for that on our merch tables on tour.

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use a stud finder. I call this stud finder my little nubbid. So back to the present. We've got an armed guard stationed around the infirmary where Quirk is clinging to life by his fingernails. It's the new guy though, right? Yeah, it's totally the new guy. And like a Bajora and Redshirt, he buys it pretty quickly. The sneaky dude that's been slinking in the shadows and drinking all the blue drinks comes in and

uses a bouquet of flowers to obscure a knife and He knifes the guy through the chest and then is gonna do the pillow over the face to kill Quark, which He doesn't account for the idea that somebody else might wander in, and that somebody else happens to be from. Rom the human car alarm. Who just starts wailing? Yeah, and it turns into a Star Trek fight of Bajoran on Rom.

And like because Rom has been raising such a ruckus, the security people are in there pretty quickly. And Oda's like, great job, Ram. You saved your brother's life. And Ram's like, great, cool. And then Oda kind of like, and therefore, you don't inherit the bar, Ram. Yeah, like making him feel bad about it.

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. You think they tell this guy's family how he died? I think you probably omit some facts to the circumstances, don't you? Killed by flowers.

Anonymous, Bajoran security guy story. Yeah. Fun. Last couple scenes here. The Atric comes up to the station and her in her best 1920s flapper costume. And they take her into Odo's Brig and she takes a look at her little buddy who's been going around doing all the all the wet work and she says,

I don't know who that is and they're like, yeah, but come on, you definitely do and we have all of your phone records and everything. So we're pretty sure we know how this ties up and why don't you get to know your friend by taking the cell right across from his? get to know your friend by taking the cell right across from his. Yeah, it appears Justice has been served. Doesn't he? She says her last line is, you'll never be able to prove that I killed my husband because I didn't. Yeah, that's left up into the air as we cut to a scene with Odo and Kira.

They headed out to the front office of the security area and he's like, hey, listen, like when you figured out, you know, when you did the math on that wrong name that Ram remembered from the list, it kind of made me suspicious and now I know the truth. It wasn't you doing the bombing, it was you doing the murdering of Vatrix husband. Vatrix husband was the dude that the collaborators used to communicate with DuCott. I really like the restraint that the episode had in not flashing back to this moment either.

Yeah. Because the conflict between them is in retrospect, but it's also in the present and everything that matters is happening in the present. Like, I don't need to go back to see that, and I think if we did go back and see it, we would think of Kira very differently, in a way that I don't want to think of her, you know? Well, I mean, she did a murder, right? But she did a murder of an enemy combatant, essentially.

Right. As a member of the resistance, she's at war. And one thing that's interesting about this show is that it has dealt a lot so far with what the gray areas are surrounding war. Like there's a Cardassian way of thinking about the occupation that it wasn't to war at all. There was never a war.

And Kira is an example of the opposite way of thinking. Yeah, I mean, you can forgive her actions because it's show war and not show friend. But yeah, like this is a pretty intense scene between the two of them. And it is Odo looking Kira in the eye and saying, I know what you did. I don't think it's right, but I'm not going to do anything about it. I love that Kira pleads with him over whether or not he can trust her and he does not say anything. Like, it just hangs.

It's pretty intense. It made me think a lot about like, this was a foundational moment in their friendship and that was a lie. How do you recover from that? I don't know, man. I mean, I think some people can and some people can. It's like when I finally tell you

that I've never really liked Star Trek and have not seen a single episode, even for any of the podcasts. You just read the Wicked Beauty caps. This has been one of the great exercises and improvisation ever. Man, you are stone cold, dude. Yeah, it's seen. Really led me down the Primrose path Did you like this episode? Before we talk about whether I like this episode Adam, I have one thing that I feel I

Must bring up. Okay. What is this? What the hell is the point of writing down the names of all the collaborators on a slip of hotel stationery folding it in half putting it in a box and then sealing that box behind a bulkhead? Like why? Why would you need to ever do that? It is so dumb. That is the worst op-seq you could possibly imagine. The only reason to keep a list is for it to be found later. Right? Like, all the parties involved know who all the other parties are. They don't get.

And like, the idea that you could use the fact that this list exists to blackmail the people is also stupid. Because it's like, okay, that's eight names on a piece of paper. It doesn't tie us to anything. Like, fuck off. I don't know you shit. Yeah. So that's a thought that I had. The second I understood what the mystery was about. This was an episode that I really liked, but that as a thing, like as the MacGuffin is incredibly hard to take. In order to like the episode, you have to forgive that. Yeah. Because it is so important. We did an episode with our buddy Ben Fritz for greatest discovery

that came out a couple of weeks ago as of this recording and And and he he talked about like how Christopher Nolan movies are really fun to watch But then if you ever think about like any of the any of the plot beats critically later You're like what like how was that the plan? And that's kind of how I felt about this episode. It's like as fun as a Christopher Nolan and also kind of falls apart under scrutiny in the same way. Vatric never holds up as a as a Femte Fatal in the truest sense because Femte Fatals

are always incredibly intelligent. And their choices make sense. And Vatrix does not, which is unfortunate. Would you say it's fatal to her status as a femme fatale? Probably. Well, Adam, do you want to see if we have some priority one messages to entertain ourselves with? Yeah, we got to do that.

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I can't believe you mispronounced that name Ben. I don't know if we have not mispronounced any names at this point. We have a hundred percent failure rate on names. Yeah, occasionally we'll get like, criticized for being real assholes for mispronouncing somebody's name. It is not personal. There's been episodes where we mispronounced our own name

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And a dark place we spend time in throughout the episode, but the two moments of levity for me was when, when Ram is being interrogated at about the 11 minute mark, and he does a really fun line reading that I think is great there, he's like, ooh, the irony is like he's very arched there in a way that I don't think he is very often, but also that car alarm scream that he lets off at the end is is coming from an actor who is clearly having the most fun. So it's for me. What about you? Well, Adam, this is a bit of an edge-case daily double and also just an unusual turn of events in Drunk Shemota history. I'm giving it to both ROM and the Bajurin murderer guy. I'm giving a double Shemota this episode and it is because

of the scene in which the murderer guy kills the guard and is like up out to kill Quark and ROM comes in. Like if I'm the judge sitting on the bench when this case comes in, I'm sending them both to overactors anonymous. The, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, you know, very like, archley presses a bunch of buttons on the bio bed that Quark is on and then grabs the pillow and very like, super sincerely starts pushing it over his quark's face. Like already totally like pegging the needle on the ridiculous factor and then Ron mocks

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Okay. Fun. What do we have coming up on the next episode? The next episode is season two, episode nine. Second site, Cisco falls in love for the first time since his wife's death. But the object of his affections may not be all that she seems. Hmm. Hmm. Hmm. Should I see what it says on Netflix also?

Are you saying we're not gonna get a straight ahead love story this time? We're everything works out okay? Just do people that are pretty well matched for each other and a Fall in love and it goes pretty good. They're just trying to make it work. I mean they both they both made some sacrifices along the way Man the Netflix description is so on for Netflix's policy of only describing the first scene. It is on the fourth anniversary of his wife's death, Cisco, takes a millen-colley late-night

stroll along the promenade. Imagine if that was 45 minutes of television at him. Like, think about the writing challenge of it's all set on the promenade forty five real time minutes of sisco walking around wishing his wife was still alive go. Does anyone ever jog the promenade and the way that they jog discovery because I would like to know it's like in practical terms not in like measured terms like do people use it like a track? I would say that Kira and Dax are the only people watching their, watching their figure on this show. Right. Tomatoes are great source of light capine. Ben, do you want to see if we are going to do the next episode in a special way. I do. So we're on square 22 on the game of buttholes, the will of the prophets. I'll roll the dice this time. What do you say? Do it. You're required to learn as you play. Roll. And I've rolled a four.

Chula! Did I win? Harby! Move on to Square 26 and we are really close to a naked now episode. Of course, the naked now would be an eventuality in which Adam and I both have to draw a bath and then record pod from the bathtub. One of the most shameful squares on the game. There is no amount of echo filter that's going to make that listnable. Both in terms of the amount of shame that you will hear, the shivering that you'll hear by minute 40, I would bet. And also the tile echo that you'll note out here throughout. Well, I know we'll hear some tile echo at them,

but I've been to both of our houses, and I know that we both have pretty small bathrooms. So it's not exactly like we have echoey kevernous bathrooms to worry about. You're really coming to the defense of this idea, Ben. That's very admirable. If Rodderick can do it, we can too. One group that comes to our defense week in, week out,

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appreciate everything that you have done for us. It has changed our lives. It is a totally amazing experience to make a show like this and have it mean enough to enough people that something like this happens. It's crazy. Yeah, and for so many people to approve of the show in such a way that they demand through their support that it continue. It's a thing that fills me with an amount of gratitude I never thought I would have and an equal and opposing amount of shame given that both of us may end up in a bathtub soon. Yeah. I mean, yeah, like we both, we started this in our, in our 30s and neither of us I think ever had any designs on

this becoming something that like we're primarily known for. You and I had both given up by that point of achieving any amount of success in any area. So, especially like the kind of success where you like go on stage and make jokes for a living like that, what a crazy life we have led to have this happen so suddenly at this point in our lives. And it's all thanks to you guys and your support, so thanks so much for that. It really is. Our thanks to the great folks at MaximumFund.org who have helped out so much too along the way. Our deep thank you to Dark Materia for our original theme song and to Adam Rekucia who is the architect of so much of the music you hear on the show. And with that we'll be

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