The Greatest Generation - The K’Dechdel Test (DS9 S7E18)

Episode Date: December 14, 2020

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Priority 1 message from Starfleet coming in on Secured Channel. Hey friends of Disodo. Before today's episode, we just wanted to take a moment to talk about the historic labor actions being taken by writers and actors in the American Film and Television industry. If you're a fan of the work done by the people who make Star Trek, we hope you'll join us in standing in solidarity with the folks who actually bring these adventures to life. Over the past several years, the AMPTP, the organization that represents the American Film and Television Production Studios, have reduced the profit from movies and TV going to workers. And in so doing,

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and season two of Star Trek Picard. We've set up a page where you can also contribute. It's at friendsofdecotoforlabor.com. That's friendsofdecotoforlabor.com. That's friendsofdisotoforlabor.com. Link in the episode description. Okay, now let's get on with the show. Here's to the finest crew in Deep Space 9. It's a Star Trek podcast by a couple of guys who are a little bit embarrassed to have a Star Trek podcast. I'm Ben Harrison. I'm Adam Franica. Wow, we're doing it on camera today, and you're take the camera with that read, really delightful.

You and I have been QAing the greatest gemcon to Star Trek III episode ahead of when we drop it into the support feed. Yeah, and we may already be out by the time of this episode. I hope so. If you support us on a monthly basis at maximumfund.org, keep your eyes peeled for that. And what I heard, Ben, was a couple of happy guys. Couple of happy guys happy to be doing a show.

I'm not saying that we haven't been happy to do the show lately, but I heard something in my own voice during the live show that shocked me. It's hard to even describe. You had a jwad-de-viv that is for some reason gone away to a large extent in 2020. Yeah, it's taken a year to remove whatever that sound was. And now I want to get it back. I want to get it back big time, starting with my introduction on the show today. I think we recorded that mid-January in 2020 and had no idea the fucking freight train of misery that was bearing down on the world at that moment.

It felt good to hear that version of us. Yeah, you said something recently that I've been thinking a lot about, which is that when we do a live show. Yeah, it was just the word no. And I just, every time I close my eyes, I have Adam Pranikas face in my mind's eye saying, no.

That's why you haven't been able to get up over the top in a long time. Yeah. No, but like there's something really invigorating about being about to go out on stage for one of our live shows and- That's a word for it. And you suggested like just trying to be mindful about bringing that to our regular records.

And I really like that idea. Yeah, I mean, we're not going to share the trade secrets of a greatest gen live show, but there's a thing that we do before we go out on stage like in those moments. The final seconds even before we go out there to get each other pumped up. And I wonder if this is coming across like one of those dominoes pizza commercials where they're like our pizza's been bad for a long time. And now we're And we've known it for quite a while. And it's only now that we've decided to do something about it.

By the while. And it's only now that we've decided to do something about it. Tastes the difference in the final eight episodes of the greatest generation, Deep Space Nine. Maybe we should hold off on any like tweaks to our behind the scenes work until we get to Voyager. Should that be the point? I'm not making any promises at all. You get nothing. Hey, it bit of business

while we're here, just because it popped into my head. We have both made a commitment to stopping checking our Drunk Shermota at gmail.com inbox so much because it was kind of getting to be a drag. And it's nobody's fault. It's like nobody should feel bad about this. But are you proposing that we delete all the emails from that email box right now? No, I'm just saying for context, like one shitty email in 250 where the rest are,

hey, can I get the PO box or your show really means a ton to me, here's why. That one shitty email completely throws it off and makes it nightmarish to go into because it always feels a bit like a land mine. So we both kind of backed away from checking that as much. But that left us with a bit of a problem, which is how if people have something they would like to send us,

do they do that? How do you get your hands on the PO box? Came up with a solution, slide into those DMs, baby. Bill Tilly. Bill, Bill, Bill. Is taking over the duty of handing out the PO box address at the greatest

Trek social media accounts on Twitter and Instagram. So let me get this straight. You mentioned, you described quite eloquently the idea of a message landmine existing in a group of positive messages that was, that would be sufficient enough to ruin a day. And what you've done now is you've thrown Bill Tilly onto the landmine. How dare you? I'm turning him to the wolves.

No, I think that while Bill is getting hazard pay, first and foremost, but also I think it's actually kind of fun because this way, he can kind of screen what people would like to send a little bit and make sure that it's like, I told them, we have so many trading cards and collectible card game cards and all other kinds of cards. We never need another shipment of cards. We appreciate all the ones we've gotten, but we don't need anymore. So we could just screen out the cards from here on it. I'll take your, your, our GAL cards. Yeah. The bubble lives the way. Biffy-Ager trading card, the only thing harder to get than a PlayStation 5 at the moment. Yeah. An angle to this that I'm just now considering is that, like, I think,

I think Bill is inoculated from the landmine because whatever messages he gets aren't going to be at him. Right. Like, the way they frequently were at us, you know? So sliding into those sweet, sweet DMs, that's going to be a soft pillow. So nice soft pillow. Bill Tilly, one of the greats. We really appreciate everything he does

for those social media accounts. Yeah, yeah, no minds for Bill. If you send Built Tilly a land mine, God help you. Yeah, you're pretty much dead to me if that were to happen. And that is a forever state. Yeah.

No coming back from that, Adam. But do you want to see if there's any coming back from being imprisoned by the brain? I don't like the chances of that, but it's a guarantee that we're about to do an episode about it. And it's Deep Space 9, Season 7, episode 18, till Death Do Us Part, Part 2. Kind of an awkward title when you have parts on either side of the colon, right? Yeah. Well, people have been having fun with putting a colon between the parts for a long, long time.

I would suggest that we get back to that. Yeah, use a bidet before you do it, but it could be a lot of fun. Yeah. What, what, what, do you realize how incredible this is't want Ben to marry Cassidy's situation. And I don't see why it's any of their business. And not talking about the insane candles on Ben Sisko's desk. Yeah, I like that part. That's an amount of avoidance

that I just could not wrap my head around. What is the deal with those candles? Hey guys, it's me Drew and I'm here to do a Yankee candle haul. They're so prominently in the frame so many times in this opening sequence. They look zeppelin-like. They're just really big. Yeah, they're massive honkers. And they're candy colored too. The colors of them do not seem in keeping with the beige type of look that most things Bajorin tend to look like.

Yeah, they've got Bajorin combat is embedded in them. Is this a wedding present? Do you think that's what this is? They're never gonna quit the ceremony if their combat is or are glued to them, right? They like them on fire, but then they get beamed out in the nick of time. Right.

I like the Captain Cisco can talk to for some reason Jake about matters like these. Like, I know next to nothing about my dad's inner life. He wouldn't tell me anything if I asked, and I see a scene like this, and I'm like, wow. Good for them. This is heavy shit that they're having to discuss. Yeah, my dad's opened up to me once or twice and I didn't know what to do about it, so I just left the room. Yeah, you take your combat job at that point. Yeah, I resigned my commission in the Harrison family.

You cannot resign. There's an argument about semantics here, though, because Captain Sisko's like, the profits told me some things about who may be your stepmom. But they didn't exactly tell me, G who is my second wife. Right. And for some reason, Jake's like, well, did they tell you not to marry her?

And Captain Sisko's like, not exactly. And Jake's like, tell me to marry her. Yeah, where did that exactly leave them? Just that it's a bad idea. Yeah, yeah. Speaking of bad ideas, Adam Sisko hosts Kai Wynne in his office. And she's kind of here to remind Ben Sisko that dumping Cassidy is not just going to be breaking off a wedding.

It's going to be huge planetary news that will upset billions of bejorins and her personally because she wants to, she wants to like usurp the the role of officiating this wedding too. I'll talk to Vedic Tellan. I'm sure you'd be willing to step aside. This was some of the best Kai winning I've ever seen on the show. The the taking over of an event by Kaiwen. It's never been done better than this. Incredible. Flolog's execution. After her argument, she like stands up

and does like the Olympics arms out thing to both to both captains this go into judges. She sticks the landing. Perfect tan. Even the Russian judge gives her high marks. Yeah. Really great work. It's an amazing performance that makes you admire it even though it is just being the worst. Kywin is the worst always has been, but I can't help but just love the performance. She walks out of a meeting that has some pretty uncomfortable overtones in terms of, you know, her basically assuring him that he's going to find the path that the profits set

and that whatever this big trial that they've been talking about coming up is he's going to be able to handle it just fine. She walks out and is being offered quarters by Colonel Kira when she zips into what she interprets as a profit vision. Can I show you to your quarters? Well, thank you, my child. Ah! Oh, here at a coffee, Mark.

Yeah, it looks like she kind of skips a step on the way down into ops. And that sets the soul thing off. I like the crash zoom into her head. Yeah. I don't think they've ever done that for a profit experience before. Yeah.

This is what she's always wanted. She's always wanted a moment like this and she is like, she's grabbing for boots to lick. As soon as she's in this vision, she rips her, don't tread on me, flag and half. That's please daddy tread on me. Yeah. They're extoling her with this message. They're like, only you can bring the restoration. And she's like, oh yeah, I'll restore anything you want.

Just point it out. I'll be on my way. I'm a paint stripper. I've got some sandpaper. I will restore anything. Wood work. Yeah. You name it.

I just want to bring. She comes to, she's been tapped on the shoulder by the gods that she has wanted to talk to her entire life and given an important job. This is going great for Kiwin. Yeah, she's starting a new company, the Kiwin Restorations Incorporated. And yet the music seems so ominous.

Why? Yeah, it's weird. Up the land. I don't understand. On the brain ship, Wurf continues to scheme ways to escape. This is a quality that we've come to enjoy in many a Wurf film on the hit podcast, Friendly Fire. The idea that it is your duty to both please that booty and escape from a

prison in a time of war. And Worf already pleased that booty back on the planet that they got captured from. So now it's all escape all the time. And Esri is not really into it. War face it. You're very drunk. We haven't been given a lot in terms of timeline, but we do get a little bit of trivia here been three days. It's how long they've been in this prison. And every time we cut back to Deep Space Nine, I have been drumming my fingers like, well, certainly this will be the scene where cat and Cisco begins to care.

Somebody expresses concern about the absence of Esri. I mean, I think they assume Wurf is dead, but they gotta be wondering about Esri, right? So often, I feel like we get the dialogue hint that's like, well, if so and so is gone for longer than 48 hours, we'll know to send a rescue mission for them, but there's never been that suggestion here.

I'm not back in 10 minutes. Call the police. One thing that is mentioned in this scene is that their captors, the brain, they don't even know what they look like. Which made me wonder, why do the brain keep those helmets on on their own ship? This is the way. I guess so.

I mean, over the course of the season, those brain helmets are going to get shinier and shinier, right? Right. It's getting easier and easier for them to talk, and it's not just because of all of the time they're spending together. It's easier to talk about Jadzee now that they've both been inside Ezri. On Cardassia, Demar's had a rough night and I love the way they shoot Demar in this scene. And also every scene where he gets drunk, he's just getting worse and worse looking as time goes on, getting those city miles.

His nine months into pandemic. Yeah. Getting those city miles his nine months into pandemic. Yeah, it's really Let the alcohol kind of take the front seat whenever he's not at work I look late last night. He gets interrupted by Wayoon who comes in as like road trip and Demire doesn't know what this road trip is about when we go You need to concern yourself with that. He's a little upset that it's gonna interrupt some schemes.

He's got going with Ducat. And Wei Yun's like, all right, you can have one more scheme with Ducat. But then we gotta go on this cool road trip. This is at the beginning of a pattern of behaviors that Wei Yun demonstrates, which is not really telling Dmitry anything at all about anything anymore. I mean, like, Demar, I don't think has done like a terrible job at being the evil legate of Kardashian. It's just that he's like a twerp,

and I think that it's just that change leader doesn't like what a twerp he is. Not that she thinks he's in, like, particularly an effective or anything. It's not just that he's eaten, like, particularly ineffective or anything. It's not just that he's eaten plate after plate of their shit. There seems to be a quality to the shit eating that... Yeah. ...that is not appreciated by that.

Yeah, the fact that he brings up the fact that he doesn't particularly enjoy shit as he's shivering it into his mouth, they're like, we can't have this. Yeah, yeah. We need to bring in someone who seems to be enjoying it. At least boot-looking. They're seeing. Yeah. Oh, spoiler alert. We get a scene with Cassidy and Yisko.

Where did that come from? That's the Smaggasine version of their cup- Yeah, that's their cup- When Yisko and Sisco get together, it's Yisko. Yeah, it's the honey we have to talk, scene. Fuck. And because like, I think in that first beat, she is away on a cargo run.

And so Cisco is just alone at home with his thoughts beating him up. But what he says is like, hey listen, you know my mom who is a ghost and also maybe a time traveling super alien. She doesn't like that you're not the same religion as me and has sort of forbidden us from getting married. and has sort of forbidden us from getting married. And I know that I'm my own man, but honestly, like, should could go really wrong in my family if I don't listen to my mom on this. Well, that almost sounds like a threat.

That's a weak tease, Cisco. I love how Penny Johnson plays this moment because she can't even be upset. The way that it is so hard to be upset at someone who puts their religion ahead of your relationship. She just kind of puts the ring on the table, grabs her bag and walks out. It's not worth arguing with him about this.

And I kind of miss that this wasn't a conflict throughout. Like we get a little bit more of this conflict throughout the episode, but we don't really know what Cassidy's feelings are about the profits or Bence's goes religion. And we don't really get a clear picture of Jake's feelings about it either. Other than they constantly put his dad's life in danger,

and that's a thing that makes him uncomfortable, you know? I wish Cassidy had established friendships with other characters on the show. She kind of seems like she's relegated to scenes with Cisco in them. Yeah. But if she was like, homies with Bashir or somebody, like that she could, like, if we'd gotten a scene of her sitting at the bar talking to somebody about what she's going through, that would have been great. She fails the cadet tail test.

Is that a thing? Is that the the Klingon version of the bec-tail test? Right, yeah. Yeah. Honey, we have to talk. You never like hearing that. I know, every time we need to talk, we need to talk about some shit that I gotta do. Around the same time Ducat has arrived on the station and he is jazzed to be there.

He looks great out of Cardassian loaf, by the way. I just think Mark Alamo cuts a great line, like just as a normal looking, bejure in guy on the station. Yeah, I wonder though, like this is the butcher of Bejure, surgery to look like a bejure in, but is he Clark Kenting? It's a great, yeah, that's tough, man. Like, I kind of feel like bejureans would clock him and be like, fuck, man, you look like the bejoran version of the worst guy in history.

Yeah, it's a... I don't want to insult you, dude, but the resemblance is uncanny and fucked up. It's what has made walking around with a Cristelia hair, so troubling for me over the past few months. I don't like it. With your face mask on, as far as anybody can tell, you might be Kristelia. I feel like the episode is self-aware about this and it weaponizes it because there are scenes

later on where Kiwin will look at him and I'm like, oh, this is the moment where she finally gets it, right? She sees Galducada in his eyes, but that moment never comes. Interesting leap of faith they're asking us to take, but we're getting a little ahead of ourselves. We got to cut back to this brain ship. Ezri is having brain mayors and she wants to talk about them and Worf doesn't. Classic, you know, the person that had the dream always wants to unpack it and dreams are inherently uninteresting to the person that didn't have them. I was so caught up in the early brain.

It is over now. I don't know what's worse than being in a brain prison, having your roommate experience loud nightmares or having your roommate in a brain prison, having your roommate experience loud nightmares, or having your roommate in a brain prison wanting to tell you about their dreams. Okay, no less dose. Yeah. So, so wore fashions and noose out of some bedsheets. And, and does the only thing you can.

I mean, also, feeling a bit threatened that this dream features Julian Bashir and not him right so Esri has to flip over her bed linens to the other side to to hide just how tantalizing the dream was She's talking about like using her skills of a counselor to kind of analyze the symbolism in this dream And one of the things she says is that, like, she's in a cave in the dream. She says maybe the cave symbolizes a womb. And I feel like if that is true, then we need to realize like every third episode

of Star Trek that has ever been produced. Yeah. They kind of get interrupted by some brainguards who come in with cattle prods and Warrf is like, oh, cool. Is it my birthday or something? And is this a cling on holiday? I'm going to wear a...

I lost track of time in here. What day is it, technically? So do you want me to disrobe or do you want to just tear all my clothes off? You're so. I'm not. How orthodox do you want to be about this? They stun him and drag him out of there. And I think that's a fate to commercial.

It's a moment that's probably less painful than listening to Ezri try to do therapy on her own dreams though. So it's probably pretty grateful for this. The guy is having a little prayer sash and gets interrupted by her assistant Solbor who is here to say that she has a visitor, a man has requested an audience with her. Pretty easy to get an audience with the head of the planetary religion. Yeah, I thought the same thing.

It's like showing up in the Vatican and being like, hey, if I could have five with the Pope, that'd be awesome. And then be like, cool, we'll see what we can do. And I know you're a little old for an appointment. Hahaha. I love the set design of this scene. Kaiwen looks to be praying out loud in front of a pejoran money wheel.

Like you'd see in Vegas. Like the least popular table game at a Vegas casino is always that money wheel. I've never seen anyone play it. She's been given a few fortune cookie-like signs to look for in somebody that's going to come and help her from her profit vision. And Ducat is the guy that comes in and obviously knows what all these signs are. So he kind of peppers into conversation, little turns of phrase about him being a man of the land and having a great plan and having a brother named Stan and

loving the dessert plan. I don't understand. This is a great scene for DuCat because he is uniquely able to bullshit his way through a moment like this. Like he's so practiced at being a fraud that Ki-win really doesn't stand a chance. Like Ki-win's a fraud in her own right, but in a fraud versus fraud situation, I don't know that anyone can. I don't know that anyone can extra from Mad Magazine. Yeah, I don't know that anyone can beat to Cod at this game. Yeah, well, and he has the benefit of having like, a plan put in place that he is participating in.

Like the pot rates are fully helping him. They set her up to be knocked down in this way. She is so excited to get knocked down. She is so excited to have a real job from what she thinks are the profits that she basically just brings Ducat into her orbit like even closer than Soul Boar immediately. Yeah.

They're having tea, they're talking over, restoring the soil, and she's like restoration. It's great. I was just thinking about that stuff. We get an angle of Goldicots face that is positively like the Grinch smiles, you know, like a bigger smile than you think Mark Alamo can passively make. It's awesome. Is that just because he has to kind of hold off

because it would mess up the loaf if he smiled that big most of the time? Yeah, it's tough stuff. You always hear about how long they spend in the makeup chair getting it on. I bet they spend a long time in the makeup chair getting it off too. And I bet it hurts.

It's got a hurt in a way that application does not. But it exfoliates beautifully. I mean, we finally see Mark Alamos skin and he is just glowing. I was just gonna say, I wonder if it acts like those Biori nose strips where it's just yanking the shit out of every pore as soon as you finish a shoot day. I can't be bad.

Beautiful. To be quite honest about it, I've been a pale, I can't be bad. Beautiful. Kira and Sisko are going over some work stuff before Sisko changes the subject to personal stuff. And this is a scene that made me think about how intentional a person can be when they're asking advice and they choose which person to ask advice from. Like Cisco could ask for advice about his relationship from anyone, but when you ask Kira for advice about something related to the profits, I think you can predict what kind of answer

you're going to get. And naturally, Kira is pro-profits in this argument. That sort of feels like the kind of call that Dan Savage gets from time to time of somebody calling in for permission to dump their significant other. They already know that they need to do it, but they just kind of need to hear it from someone else. Right. That's why Kira in the scene is like, if you can't be GGG with Cassidy Gates,

then DTKYA. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha I was worried that Siskel was gonna break his little ships in this scene. No! That one that he touches doesn't look like it's on the stand very firmly. No. I wonder how surprising that was for him during the take. This nebbel is not as well mounted as one would hope. Yeah. On the tick, way you and us on the bridge when change leader arrives. The ship is 36 hours away from a rendezvous point that we are unclear about at this moment. And change leaders looking pretty flaky.

I think the flakiness of dress really goes a long way to sell how sick she looks. Yeah, the dress flake is a great detail for sure. Good thing there's a lot of shower grab handles on the bridge of that tick, you know. Yeah. I don't imagine the gem hadar are using those. They were installed just for her. Yeah.

She's got a sit down bathtub in recorders, a bunch of grab handles on the bridge. One of those toilet seats that's got like a really thick padding. Her comm system in recorders has the big buttons. She's got the whole thing going. She's wearing a life alert around her neck. Yeah. Yeah. The reveal that change leaders in play, big reveal. We get to the brain ship. Very suggestively I felt like because not sexually suggestive, but just like the fact that there is like an opposing

action between the direction that the tick is flying and the direction that the brain ship is flying. I feel like such a dumbass I didn't pick that up. The show really implies that they're flying toward each other. I never picked up on that. Yeah, it's fun. Just an idiot. You don't need to feel bad at them. You know what,

this is why the show has two hosts. You might have been looking down typing a note or something. Like, great little bit about grab handles or something. I looked in the in the sand during the show and I only saw your footprints there. That's because you were like lying on the beach half a mile down with a peanut collada in your hand and join life, baby. Yeah, I'm not going to walk with you. You're doing your own thing. Yeah, you check out the tide pools by yourself, you dork back in this brine cell. It's warfs turned to have the loud dreams. Turns out they're being interrogated with some clip show devices.

And I'm really glad that we aren't getting those scenes because that would have pushed out this 10 part conclusion into like, what, like a 30 part conclusion that recaps the entire show. Yeah. And like, you get the sense that the brain clip show devices aren't that good. So it would be just like really confusing clip shows that don't really make a lot of sense. Yeah. Yeah, so they're taking turns on Ezri and Warf here

in a way that is troubling to them both. Yeah, they're like, we kinda wanna do this together. If you and I were prisoners, wouldn't you prefer that we be tortured at the same time? I kinda would. You wanna be on the same schedule as your bunkmate in prison, I think. If you and I were tortured, I feel like you'd be down the hall in one room,

and I'd be down the hall in the other room, and we would just be ratting each other out entirely. No question. No question. We would turn on each other so fast in a torture situation. I mean, I have a pretty high-paying tolerance. It's the other stuff that I wouldn't want to deal with. Like, yeah, like, shitting yourself. And yeah.

Can we please move this along? Yeah. It's more just the taking of my time, I think, I would have the biggest problem with. I have to start cooking dinner. We eat at six. This is taking forever. Look, if I don't get these things defrosted right now, it's going to be a big problem for me.

The complaints for my wife will be withering. Much in the same way as you described our ships driving toward each other, I really like that we cut to this moment of torture to go do cuts enjoyment of the wine. Like we're getting very different feelings as we cut back and forth. It's extraordinary. I've never tasted anything like this. You cut and win or live in it up, drinking that fine pejoran spring wine. They're getting white wine drunk, right?

They're getting white girl wasted, and they're talking about like, hey, I don't mean to speak out of school here, but sometimes I wonder if that Cisco guy is really on the side of the Bedurant people. And Kai Wynne, who is calling him Angel, is saying like, you've been anointed by the prophets too. So you're on his level now.

You can say whatever the fuck you want about that asshole. Yeah, you've ascended to the wine level of this club. Good for you. You must speak your mind freely, Andrew. But it's pretty clear that they have a mutual hatred of Cisco, but they also have something else in common, which is this backstory that he tells

her about how he barely survived the Cardassian occupation of Bejor. I survived the occupation purely by chance. And it was one of the like few times in Kiwin's experience during the occupation where she did something that was resistant to Jason, which was that she gave valuable jewels to Cardassian officers to do slightly nicer things to Bajorans. It's a good thing Kai win developed a relationship with Galbarracci. She was not pulling up in a citro and outside of a bejure and cafe and gunning down a bunch of

Cardassian officers, she was just paying them off. I love this shit. The idea that both of them have this special knowledge that they can use against each other in a moment like this. Yeah. Like Goldicott uses her knowledge as a way to confirm his undercoverness. Yeah.

In a really elegant way. Some of the best like con man do cut stuff right alongside some of the best Craven Kai Wynne stuff in this episode. Yeah. How did you feel about Kai Wynne after this story? It actually bumped up her stock to me a little bit. Like, I didn't know she did resistant shit. Good for you, Ki-Win.

Yeah, it's like the kind of resistance shit where you're like, yeah, I mean, I guess technically that did help a tiny bit, but also like, rich person resistance is bullshit though. Right, yeah. It's like you didn't actually like make any sacrifices of your own. Right. So, I don't know.

I mean, like I'd rather she did than didn't. Yeah, I'd rather the rich give to charity than not. True that. I'm a man. Come to a fore, I'm a rain. Come to a fore, I'm a rain. Come to a fore, I'm a rain. Come to a fore, I'm a rain.

Come to a fore, I'm a rain. Come to a fore, I'm a rain. Come to a fore, I'm oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, Oh, be gone, oh, be gone, oh, be gone, oh, be gone, oh, be gone, oh, be gone, oh, so in Cisco's quarters, he's sleeping on the couch or trying to anyway, like he's punished himself. Cassidy doesn't live there anymore. He's still sleeping on the couch out of some guilty conscience feelings. I realized that the model that he's built for that Bishorn house has a grass roof. Yeah. It really reminded me

of the Jurassic Park Command Center place that I had as a boy. Jurassic Park Electronic Talking Command compound figures in dinosaurs sold separately batteries not included. Did that have a grass roof? It did have a grass roof. I mean, like molded plastic, but made to look like grass. Wow. That's fun. It was great.

It could push a button and it would go, uh-uh, uh-uh. You didn't say the magic word. Cisco is obviously down, but it takes a quark to take him out because when quark enters with the wedding ring that Cap and Cisco ordered for Cassidy Yates, it is like flipping over the couch that Cisco is on and then just stomping

as hard after. Terellian diamonds aren't that easy to come by, especially with this war on. It's non-refundable. This is the council that he didn't seek. Like when he went to Kira for advice on this situation. Right. He specifically did not go to quirk. Yeah. For a good reason. For all of his failings is a hopeless romantic.

Pretty ring though, I thought. That is one of the sickest times. Holy bedazzled right now. It's the sort of ring that I think you'd see on an older lady, well off, you know, like that kind of Beverly Hills giant ring situation. It is a real housewife of X city got engaged scale of rock in this ring. It's the sort of ring that you don't see being worn by someone living in a grass hut on Bejor.

That hand's not going to be doing dishes or farm work. So I can California caters move here to make their little rural existence and look how fucking fancy they are. There goes the neighborhood. Those hands are going to be doing manual labor on Beijor. That's for sure. No. Bezure, that's for sure. No.

Got back to the prison ship. Now, Ezra is having really vocal nightmares that I mean, like the, the stuff she's saying is like specifically very incoherent, but a couple of times she mentions Julian again and this disgusts Wurf. It is not fair to be judged over what you're saying, over anesthesia or after torture or whatever, not fair at all. I couldn't believe, I mean, like I could believe it because it's Wurf, but I couldn't believe

what a jerk he was being. Yeah, yeah. If you've forgotten just how big of a jerk wharf can be, he's here to remind you in this and every wharf centric episode up to now. I read that that they're considering bringing wharf in for the next season of Picard. Just to like shit all over everyone and be a jerk. Yeah. That's what we need. You were any other man. I would kill you where you stand. Kai Winn gets woken up on the late night. Soul Board has let Angel in. He's got great news. The plants that he planted on his farm that he's trained to restore in reliceth are growing

way earlier than they're supposed to. I planted radishes and a special dirt and they came up all year. They usually take weeks to sprout, but... And that's not the only thing possibly coming sooner than expected. Yeah, that's the only thing possibly coming sooner than expected Yeah, that the only thing poking above the surface because She she agrees with him. This is a sign and they get down baby

The profits brought us together. I feel like there was an entire decade where the only kind of movie in the theater was aging Alec Baldwin or Jack Nicholson falling in love in old age with like Helen Hunt. Or, God, I don't even know, but it feels like that was the movie that everyone went, that all of our parents went to see for a number of summers in a row, you know? Yeah, and it was kind of like the reaction

to the erotic thriller of five years before that. Yeah, like, and invariably, if you were to go to one of these movies in the theater with your parents, like you'd see more of Merrill Streep than you had Bargain for. Right. You'd be sitting in between your mom and dad wondering what possessed you to agree to go

out to the movies with them. Like, I really admire Anthony Hopkins showing full butt. Speaking of older men at him, Soul Boer really seems like he is suffering under this arrangement at this point. I feel like the actor who plays Soul Boer is doing a lot to make himself noticeable in a very fun way. Yeah, because like, I feel like he may be the same guy that they've had running around with Kiwin several episodes. But like in this late night scene when he comes in and he doesn't have the hood over his head, you can see that he just looks like a senator from Nebraska or something.

Right. This episode he seems to be making choices. Yeah, it feels very funny to see him play up how undignified he thinks this all has been. It's a living. The whole salmon dynamic between DuCarte and when is out the window. They're a knight. It's kind of a salmon, the damned situation. dynamic between DuCat and when is out the window there tonight. It's kind of a Sam and the damned situation. Whoa. Cassidy is packing up her shit ahead of her next gig.

She's in the cargo bay, you know, doing, doing freighter captain stuff clearly on the clock. And I think this detail is important because when Ben Sisko enters the scene, he psyched because guess what, Cassidy? I've changed my mind, which means you don't have to work anymore. Hahaha.

Yeah, you can live off my fat emissary of the profit salary stacked on top of my fat starfleet salary. You can't help but notice when Cassidy just walks out of the cargo bay with him not saying a word to anyone that she works with. Yeah, they're like, so are we supposed to take the shipment without you or it's gotta be so crazy making? Like the effect of Cisco's

equivocations are seen mainly on Cassidy in her life, but there's that ripple effect that goes far wider to so many more people. Totally. I was kind of amazed that it was as easy for him to win her back as he does, because he was like, hey, I really blew it in that previous scene

when I expressed misgivings about getting married to you. And she's like, well, like as long as you promise not to go back on this, I will marry you. I gotta level with you, Ben. I didn't want this. I didn't want this to happen that fast. I don't think captains this go deserved the comeback so soon. Yeah, I think

that some some rebuilding, some restoration to put it in duke hot terms would have been good. But yeah, they, I mean, it happens really fast. They make it belt buckle official in like the next scene. Yeah. Yeah, it's a phaser rifle wedding. Because they pivoted away from bejure and style wedding and into a starfleet wedding. And this really put Admiral belt buckle into a stressful situation because he had to get one of those,

those subspace, ordained minister, forms filled out, which is sweet when you want someone you know to officiate a wedding, but I think everyone can kind of agree is not the real thing. Yeah. Kind of a weird mood in this wedding, too, right? Yeah. When they come in, everybody's kind of like sitting around, almost like they're waiting for a funeral to start.

Yeah. Is that because Kira is pissed that Cisco is not taking her advice? I think everyone's mood is a little dower because they haven't moved the death wall out of the wardrobe ahead headed the wedding ceremony. Well, belt buckle is doing the speech of fighting of any wedding officiant and he says, uh, now, does anyone here see any reason these two should not get married? Speak now, or forever hold your peace and Cisco flashes into a profit experience where his mom makes one last pitch. And he says, no, mom, I'm my own man. I'm going to marry Cassidy, whether you like it or not.

Do you get the sense that profit experiences happen in real time? Because it's unclear to me whether or not Ben Sisko puts the ring on Cassidy's finger and pauses halfway through for the amounts of time that we get the profit experience Like I wanted to help back into the room. Devastating. I wanted to cut back into the room so bad as everyone's looking at Ben Sisko like he He's not finished putting the ring on. What is he doing? What's taking so long? Is he hesitating or is he having like a grand mall seizure or what? Yeah, but with a flair for the

dramatic Cisco snaps back to and finishes the ring making and everyone everyone's happy, mausole town. They, they plants one honor, it's official. Cisco is a married man. Do you kind of wish this episode was called until death separates you? I did think that was a strange turn of phrase. As was the vow, as put to us by Admiral Beltbuckle. Yeah, why did they not have that as the title? If the title is till death do us part,

why is that not the line? Or if the line is till death separates you, why is that not the title? Gotta say I like until death separates you. Until death causes you to move into the other bedroom down the hall. Until death makes you sleep on the couch. Next to your model house.

So on the brain ship, Warf is ultra pissed off at Ezri that her delusional ramblings included the name of a man he feels threatened by. I should not have trusted you with my heart. And they don't really resolve this, do they? No. Like there's's an admission, like, Worf wants her to admit that she has feelings for Pashir and she's like, I mean, like, like Jidzee did and I do too. Like he has a friend, it's not like there's nothing official about it in either case. It's more of a question of volume, Worf, because, uh, because you see, Dr. Bashir was a person on deep space nine. And that immediately qualifies them as potential love interest for facts. I really don't

think you should take this too personally. Yeah. But the brain barging and they all beam over to the tick. They're there with wayune and demar and the brain. And it is announced to them here that the brain will be joining the war on team dominion. Turns out, Ben, that there are two marriages this episode. Yeah. And it is a big, shitty,ating wayongrin-to theme. Yeah. Did you like the episode?

You really want to do this? Here, now I'm okay, okay, let's do it! I really did. I think this is one of my favorites in a while. Solid episode. Yeah. This is not to say that I have disliked this season of Deep Space 9 or the series of Deep Space 9 itself in saying something like this but whatever it is about these last

This last series of episodes I really can't wait to watch the next in a specific way in a unique way and it's Yeah, like I immediately want to watch the next episode because of it. And I think that's the sign of a good one. I'm hooked. I agree. Yeah, I feel much the same way. And I feel like the kind of wind stuff and the doot-cot stuff is just so juicy. It's so they're like so well-written to be hateable that watching them scheme and canive

and then start boning was just amazing. Like I was really worried about the Clark Kent issue with you, Kat, when he first showed up on the station. And I like completely forgot about it once he started interacting with Kiwne because it was just like, I don't care, it's too fun. I think I want to say also that, I mean, and because I just can't be 100% positive about anything anymore in my life, the one thing that cuts against the episode is clearly the elevation of guest stars above the main cast characters in this episode

and maybe the last couple episodes too. Like aside from Cap and Cisco, it's really the guest star show at this point. And that isn't to say that the guest stars aren't doing great work because they are, but it's just the exclusion of some characters and some actors that we really like. It's like you asked for a crunch berries and you got oops all villains. It is exactly like that.

But for right now, what I'm asking for is all P1s. You think that's a taste that satisfies? I think that's part of this balanced breakfast. Priority one message from Starfleet coming in on Secured Channel. Need a supplement on it. A supplement on it? A supplement. A supplement.

Yeah, it's extra. But the interest alone could be enough to buy this ship! We actually do have some P1s here, Adam, and the first one is of a promotional nature. It goes like this. Attention! All FODs in the greater Seattle Tacoma area! If you're looking for someone to tackle the dirty and dangerous task of window washing,

and roof and gutter cleaning, give Northern services a call. We are one of Seattle's best exterior cleaning services, and the only one dumb enough to invest in this podcast. Wow, our body of work includes Moss removal, Unferengenar, window cleaning on the promenade, and pressure washing, Rikers quarters.

Don't go up the long ladder yourself, and the call to action is visit NorthernServicesWA.com go up the long ladder yourself. And the call to action is visit northern services w a dot com to schedule your appointment. I love this. I love this promotional message. I love a very specific promotional message for for one. But but also having lived in Seattle for many years and being a homeowner there, you find yourself an outfit that will do your roof and your gutter and your windows that you can trust that does a good job, and that is a relationship that you make for life.

Yeah. Those are really, those are different makers when you live in Seattle, where 90% of home ownership is water remediation. When we got our house, I put a ladder along the side of the house and went up to look in my gutters and I just laughed at myself for even checking them because there's just nothing in them. There was just another sun inside. Yeah. LA does not have that problem, but yeah, like I mean you hear all the time about how like

Dad's falling off ladders because they were cleaning out their gutters or something is like a huge cause of injury and death among homeers. It's statistically terrifying that it's so common. I think about it every time I get on a ladder So farming this out to a professional who like knows how to do it in a safe way and can do Star Trek bits with you in between doing the work. Come on. Nords West Services w a dot com. That's who I'd be calling if I still lived in Seattle. Well, Ben, our second priority one message is of a personal nature this time. It is from QAnon, son of none. Oh no. It is to the Star Trek CCG continuing committee and the message goes like this. See you in court, mother fuckers. P.S. Neil is a Patak, PPS, Hale Hydro, PPS, trust the process.

Oh no! They, I've got to express some gratitude for the pronunciation key here. Advising me that the pronunciation of QAnon is in fact QAnon. Wow, well, some terrifying internet cultists apparently listen to us, I guess, and have some kind of axe to grind with the Star Trek. I think these people are innocent. I think QAnon stole the name from this QAnon, and it's an unfortunate situation. Wow. Yeah. That's, I mean, that's certainly possible because they spell it a little bit differently. I see here there's an uppercase Q and then there's a dash and then lowercase a non.

Right. So, wow. Well, I hope that's the case, Adam. If you'd like to get a priority one message on. That's me making excuses for QAnon. Ha-ha-ha-ha. If you'd like to get a priority one message on- That's me making excuses for QAnon. Hahaha. If you'd like to get a promotional message or a personal message on the show, you can do it.

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You're right up here. Drunk shumotin! Yeah, we talked about him earlier. I'm gonna give it to the actor instead of the character though. James Otis is the guy who plays Sulbore and whatever got into him on his shoot days was working. Totally. He walks right up to playing big

and then takes a step back from big into just really interesting. And that is just exactly the spot that an actor on the periphery of a scene needs to occupy, I think. Yeah, he is for sure my drunk Shimoda as well. Like for the same reason. I mean, I asked myself who is having the most fun in this episode and it is that guy. Yeah, hi, Marks, for James Otis.

A guy I hope goes on a nice long run here, as long as Kai wins on the show, I gotta believe there's going to be a soul boar. Yeah, it doesn't have many lines, but everything he does, he does well. He doesn't need to let a line to that face. That's true. Well Adam, do you wanna see what we got next in store for us on this here program? We can't stop now, Ben.

You're gonna tell us what episode is next and then I'm gonna go over to the game of buttholes for the profits to see how we're gonna be talking about it. Yeah so the next episode is season seven episode 19, strange bedfellows, while warfin Esri face execution, an alliance between enemies threatens to turn the tide of the war against the Federation. Hmm. Hey, who's got the role here?

I believe it is my role today. All right. I wasn't, I mean, I realized that I'd just snatch the die out of your hand, but it's not intentional. Hey, don't sweat it, buddy. We are on square 58, presently, which puts us in range of a space butthole that could take us down to a Quartz bar and also a Starship Mine episode.

I don't believe we've ever hit that Starship Mine. Yeah, that being the square where you and I build a spaceship model while recording the show. Yeah, like the distracted episode, I believe, is what that is intended to be. So in other words, it'll sound like every other show we've ever put out. Ha ha ha ha. All right, well I'm gonna go ahead and roll this bone.

You're required to learn as you play, roll. Keep your fingers crossed. Chula! Did I win? Hardly. Oh boy, I rolled a five, which puts us right in between that space butthole and the starship mind. It's a regular episode.

And we've jumped past one of the biggest hazards on the board, that space butthole that can really tank our chances of getting to a more enamored. It's not let it hurt us, Ben. Yeah. All right, Adam. Well, that was the episode. We've got a few thank yous to give out. Of course, we should thank Bill Tilly, who runs our social media accounts,

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