The Greatest Generation - The USS Curious (TNG S1E6)

Episode Date: June 1, 2026

When a Starfleet propulsion expert comes aboard with an alien assistant, Commander Riker isn’t buying any of their bullshit. But after his experiment goes wrong and the Entrepreneur is stranded far from home, the very chill Traveller takes an interest in Wesley and helps bring the ship back safely. How is the piper paid? Does a starship use car math or boat math? Who is the Rudy of this story? It’s the episode with a little bit of terror mixed into the benign.Support the production of our shows Members get benefits including bonus episodes and an ad-free experienceSign up for our mailing list!Get a thing at podshop.biz!The Greatest Generation is hosted by Adam Pranica and Benjamin Ahr Harrison The show is produced by Wynde PriddySocial media is managed by Rob Adler and Bill TilleyMusic by Adam Ragusea & Dark MateriaDiscuss the show using the hashtag #GreatestGen and find us on social media:YouTube | Instagram | BlueskyAnd check out these online communities run by FODs: Reddit | USS Hood Discord | Facebook group | Wikia | FriendsOfDeSoto.socialSupport the production of The Greatest Generation Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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I'm Adam Pranica. I'm Ben Harrison. Kind of dreading this one, Adam. Yeah? Yeah. Why is that? Because I don't want to do this. I have not had any mood-altering substances,

well, aside from like the prescription ones, since I was very sick last week. What's wrong with Ben this time? Let's talk about what's happening. and why. At the end of the last episode, we played a little game. We played a game that you wanted to play specifically. Well, a game that had stakes for both of us. Sure. Don't say it like I wanted to play it. Fuck off. We each host the show, we trade back and forth. The stakes of the game were such that I could lose and you could lose or we could both be big winners.

This was the game that you brought to the episode. And what happened was you lost the game. Yeah. And the consequence for losing the game is drinking, unfortunately, for you. Because what happened was a number of questions were answered correctly in a way that I think surprised both of us. Yeah. And now the Piper must be paid and that Piper is paid with pores of alcohol. So I have four options here and I could do all four if you want me to do all four. I thought I'd let you pick your weapon in the spiky brimps.

bird parlance. Okay. I have four things that I remember really not enjoying, which is not a judgment on the things. It is just my personal taste. These are shots that I would not personally want to take. And was this a part of the game's rules that not only were these shots, but these would have to be unenjoyable shots? Grossest thing you can think of that you have on hand.

That's an important detail because I think a lot of folks would just assume that you gave it that little nudge into an additional misery. I was trying to make it interesting. You know, we're trying new things. You know, lessons have been learned. Yeah. So first option, Sambuka. Oh, I believe.

I like Sambuka. This is a product of Italy. Mm-hmm. Did not enjoy this the last time I had it. Similar vein. I have some Akavit or Aquavit. I like Akavit, too. Quite sure how you're supposed to pronounce that.

You'd probably like the mentholated properties of that, perhaps, given how you're feeling. What I was trying to say at the beginning of this before you so rudely interrupted me, Adam, is I've been very ill and I'm also just not relishing the idea of making my stomach deal with any of this stuff. I know you think I interrupted you, but no one who's listening knows what you were talking about. So I feel like I had to set up what we're doing here so people a week ago didn't have to remember what's going on. I was getting to it via the route of pitching people on listening to an upcoming episode of Greatest Track that I think will be very illuminating as to why I'm especially mad right now. I have some ricea. This is a spirit similar to mescal or tequila, but this one, Tatea. but this one tastes like shit.

Again, no insults to anyone for whom that's your fave, not my fave. So this would be like the, it's not a ham or a turkey or whatever, Pachuga. It's like a bag of shit over the still. Okay. Yeah, I think that's probably what they did. And then I have some Applejack moonshine that has been in my possession since like very, very early in the shows run. Can you hold that up for the FODs to see again? See, that looks like the title screen of a late 80s PBS show. Yeah, yeah, that's the graphic design style that they went with.

Well, that one looks almost empty to me, huh? Well, there's enough for four shots in there. Okay. An FOD gave this to me when I visited Asheville, North Carolina very early in the show's run. So I thought it would be, you know, poetic that I've had this since we were last covering TNG. But you don't like it. Well, you're kind of an apple man, though. Over the years I know you to be that. I will say that I remember this more pleasantly, more fondly than any of the others, but it is moonshine, so it is very powerful.

That's what makes it my pick. It sounds like you like that one the most, and so I want this to be enjoyable for you. Oh, that's very kind of you, Adam. You said everything else tasted bad, and I just don't want it to taste bad for you. Well, I mean, like, high proof also tastes bad, you know. It burns. I have my United States Cyber Command shot glass. I assume everybody in the big control room there,

and the United States Cyber Command has a few of these on their desk at all times and a lower desk drawer full of probably Applejack moonshine. Ben, I'm not going to ask you that you take these all at once. I have a proposition for you. Okay. How about you take one when we start the show? and then your last three happen every time a creepy Wesley thing happens in this episode until you're done it's becoming a drinking game I don't know do you want to take them all at once that seems

really more difficult that was the commitment I'm going to do what I said I was going to do okay bottoms up down goes one oh then I want you to know I'm finding this very impressive This would be very difficult for me to do. There goes two. Two shots of moonshine. Oh, Ben just popped up in a frame with like the eyebrows pointed straight at his nose. Yeah. Like cartoonish eyebrows.

When I was in college, I took a friend out for his 21st birthday. And he, like me, did not drink until he was 21. So this was his first time, I think maybe ever in a bar. And it was like an Irish dive bar in New York. And I ordered him a double shot of tequila. And the bartender said, I'm going to give him two singles. It'll hit him harder. The idea being, I guess, if you drink one and then the other, it works more than if you just drink it all at once.

I love tequila, but a double shot of anything just sounds terrible, no matter how much I like it. It's just too much liquid. I'm not a good shotman either. But this is another reason this is so impressive to me is like seeing these go down like this. Was that three or four? It was three, Ben. And you don't have to do this.

It felt like four. All right, I'm just feeling, the bottle is empty. This was exactly four shots of whatever it is, Moonghine. Kampai, buddy. There they go. Oh, ha, ha. I don't feel great about this.

Ben clearly doesn't feel good about this. we need to make the games less punitive for circumstances like the one that just happened. There was a chance that it was totally revenue neutral, you know? I think, just looking at the big board, like looking at the odds, that was far in a way the favorite. That's what I thought was going to happen. I designed the game around that premise. Yeah. I thought, funniest outcome is this totally fizzles.

Yeah. Yeah. Instead, the worst outcome happened. Ben, just to give us an update on your health, are you back to solid food yet? Or was that going to mix with the broth you've had all week up until now? I had some leftover pad tie for lunch. So really, anyone's guess what's going to happen with my health at this point? Oh, boy.

You want to ask me what the protein was on that pad tie, Adam? I'm really afraid to But yeah, go ahead That was the duck pad tie That I ordered last week And Oh, so it was It was week old also

That's like perfect We're recording this on a Tuesday I think we had it On a Thursday night Oh man I disagree with that decision But I wish you well Sincerely

I don't know like where the hubris Comes from Shear fucking hubris Obviously, undeserved based on recent experiences. But that's what we're dealing with. I guess you could say, Adam, I'm fearless. Far more fearless than I. I would be too full of fear to have done four shots of Apple-flavored Everclear like you just did.

Well, it's doing all kinds of things to my propulsion system as it did on the USS Fearless. in today's episode of Star Trek The Next Generation, Season 1, Episode 6, where no one has gone before. See, I know now what you were trying to do with that pivot, and it was great. You know, like they're not all bangers. That was like a B-minus at best.

What do you make of ship's names like this, like as an adjective? It feels like cut rate dauntless, Like, dauntless sounds fucking sick as shit. I do like it. And Fearless sounds like the Timu dauntless. Yeah, I don't prefer USS adjective. I like names and places.

I like USS noun, I think. Yeah. That's what I like. The sister ship USS Yamato. That sounds cool as fuck. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah.

Anyway, the Fearless is pulled up. on Enterprise to transfer a Starfleet propulsion specialist and this person's assistant on over. And this is not the first time that they've done upgrades to starships and their engines. They've upgraded the fearless itself. And it didn't even explode during. So it feels like chances are this is going to work out okay, even though Riker has reservations. A lot of reservations. Picard is trying to reassure.

I'm like, this is coming from command, you know, Starfleet command. the most trustworthy people. And I think unlike Picard, crucially, Riker has actually looked over what is being proposed to do to the enterprise and its engines. And he thinks it's a bunch of nonsense. It suspects Kaczynski sent us. In my opinion, sir, they're gibberish.

Gibberish. He has talked about this with data. Like, there are implied meetings. Here is a thing I noticed in this episode. Like when Riker and Data Talk, it is clear that they have had previous discussions on this matter. Can you think of any time in Newtrak where two characters had a conversation implying an off-screen interaction? That is such a great question because it truly feels like scene to scene. This is the very first time our characters have ever thought about the things that they're saying.

and they're just trying to game it out right there in real time perhaps you simply have a penchant for the dramatic okay I like the going theory that the upgrades before were done to old ships look at them they're so old like of course you can improve in older ships engines like how how long after the Excelsior left space dock did they finish the USS fearless Like Kirk laid eyes on the first ship in this class as they pulled into space doc. My friends, the great experiment. And now, like, yeah, no fucking shit.

There were improvements available to that fucking engine class. Enterprise D seems like it's still under warranty. Not much to improve there. Yeah, they're still doing that thing where they have to drive 55 miles an hour because they're like they're like priming the engine, right? Yeah. You ever do that? Like, you get a brand new car and you have to, like, drive it slow for a while? No. I've, I've never, I've never had a new car that had that requirement.

Wow. Yeah. But I think the same thinking applies to, like, a cold engine start. Like, you don't want to go tearing around. Right. After a freezing cold night, your car's been outside. You want to warm her up. Yeah, maybe that's a Bay Area thing where it, like, doesn't get quite as cold as Seattle, but never gets truly hot either. Anyways, Riker got kind of like, because he's so lippy, draws the short straw on going to meet this guy and be his, it's like point of contact. Since you're concerned about these tests, yes, sir. I kind of feel this like when we're,

when we're like making a business arrangement with, you know, like a hosting company or something, or, you know, like the company that's booking our ads or something, like whoever at that company, draws the short straw of Ben Harrison is their point of contact at the Exbridge Shemota company. Like, Kaczynski kind of fucked up here. And it's, and it's like not entirely his fault. Riker goes to greet and he brings Troy with him. I mean, such are his reservations about this guy.

I think anytime you're going to go meet someone having her around, emotional bloodhound Deanna Troy. What's you doing? Bloodhound, doggy. Kind of a good idea. Did you hear the music cue as they walked off the bridge? Because to me, it sounded like a Red Shoe Diaries needle drop. And like maybe Riker and Tri are going to go have sex before they meet Kaczynski at the

transporter room. The thing about the Red Shoe Diaries that I found memorable was not the music. So, yeah. That wasn't familiar to me. Okay, fair enough. They meet up with Kaczynski. in the transporter room with another

TGG legend our boy Biff Yeager Lieutenant Commander Argyle in this case A pleasure to meet you sir He's standing in the middle of one of the great three shots I feel like like an unnecessarily posed three Like I feel like he's standing on an apple box In the middle of them

Something just seems like You know like when a shot feels more composed than natural? That's how this feels to me I noticed something about Chief Engineer Argyle in this shot that I don't think I have previously thought about, which is that the way he shaves his beard, like he's got the beard and mustache combo, but he shaves pretty far down the cheek on the beard in the way. Like, Frakes famously came back to TNG in season two with the beard because he had been in like a Civil War movie. And he'd like grown the beard out and cut it in that way to be period appropriate for the, you know, 1860s. And I think he may have bit the rhyme of one Biff Yeager in this beard.

No one ever asks the main cast of TNG what it was like to work with Biff Yeager the way we would. Naturally at any Q&A portion of a convention. If any of the old characters aside from Kevin Uxbridge were available to us at this point, I'm sure an extended bit about that would start right about now. And people can use their imaginations. But he's there and they meet Kaczynski who comes off the transporter pad, hot to trot and wants Captain Picard. Like he is, Kaczynski will talk to no one but. And Riker really pulls rank on him.

And he's like, engines are my responsibility. responsibility as the first officer. I see to it that the captain has a ship that's in good working order. You can talk to me. There's a real different energy between Kaczynski and his assistant. Kaczynski is super rare in a go. He's badgeless. He seems to have been working so fast his badge just flew off of him even. Contrast that with his assistant who almost arrives facing the wrong direction on the transporter pad and just kind of exploring the space. That would have been such an incredible move if you'd just been facing the other way. He is so blest out compared to the coaked out Phil Rosenthal that Kaczynski is in this

moment and every other moment from here. He also has like a different brand of PIP. Like he like speaking of TAMU, he got he went to the Timo PIP store and, uh, and got the square kind. And so many questions arose in my mind. Like, what happened to the previous chief engineer? Did she and Shimoda get shipped off to the academy? Like, you're not considered cut out for Starship Life after the adventures of the Naked Now.

I mean, sure, it could have been someone else's decision, but wouldn't that have been yours if you were caught up in that? I'd want a transfer if I could request one. Yeah. Let's just get a clean break. Let's go to a new school where nobody knows about what happened. It never happened. I'm calling in sick the next day after my pants are pulled down on stage in the cafeteria, you know? Like, I just am.

Yeah. So Kaczynski just kind of marches out of there having introduced himself and his assistant. And emotional bloodhound Deanna Troy just tells us what happened in the scene that we just saw. Something about this concerns me. I don't know what. I can point to no reason yet. This is truly that era for this character. It's just the repetition of her feelings.

Things that we've already observed about Kaczynski are the things that she says. Was there idea that she needed to say the things about Kaczynski to establish that she is really in touch with him but cannot feel the assistant? because that's like, I feel like the upshot is, the assistant is a blank to her.

She couldn't get a sense of him at all. Right. And like, that discomfort is something that she's trying to convey to Riker, clearly. And he is not feeling good about this interaction at all. I think one of the things that physically underscores the entire thing is the way the scene ends. The way they both cross in front of the camera

and go in opposite directions, Into theme. I thought that was a really nice bit of flourish there on the blocking. That is. I don't think we've ever seen that ever again after this. That's good directing. Yeah. Yeah, we should say first time director Rob Bowman here, all of 27 years old.

Fuck, man. What am I doing with my life? That's 20 years ago for me. I'm actively drunk talking about an episode that I admire. weird ways. Comparison is the thief of joy, Ben. You're doing just fine. What do you think Rob Bowman's doing right now?

You think he wouldn't rather be sitting on a podcast, hammering Everclear with a semi-funny buddy? Come on. He'd love that. Are you calling me semi-funny? Jesus, catching strays here. I was describing myself as that. Oh.

Like he would want to be you. No, that makes sense in retrospect. You're saying on Everclear with semi-futney. You're very funny, Adam. You're not semi-fummy. You're superlite. You're S-tier funny. You're one of the funniest people I've ever met.

All right. Hold on. And I've met, like, you know, Todd Barry. I've met Todd Barry. Amok, Angelad, and Tanaga. After the theme, engineering is where we start, and Kaczynski starts by taking control of the conversation. Look.

When you've done something twice, you're kind of an expert on whatever it is that thing is. Kaczynski has the humorous I did agreeing to do this episode today, given my recent past, and the pad tie I ate for lunch. Shear fucking hubris. Can you give us a defecon level to your digestive system right now? Are you feeling anything at all? Digestive is fine, but my cerebral system is. fried. I'm fucking hammered.

Wow. Yeah. I had a two martini night a couple nights ago and I was surprisingly blasted in a way I was not expecting. I've been able to shrug off two martinis before plenty of times. I haven't been drinking much lately. I was already low tea to begin with. My tolerance has gone way down. A friend described recently watching a movie

while taking just a little bit of drugs. And she said the drugs kind of got on top of me there. And I really love that way of saying the thing that you enjoyed got, like, took over. A little out of control. The drinks are getting on top of you there. Sounds like. They really are. Kaczynski wants to know why this child is here.

And that's Wesley Crusher and big rumpledy orange sweater this episode. And everybody in engineering is like, hey, man, like, slow your role. Like, we're just getting to know you. And he's like, in 15 minutes, we're running a test. And he's like super smart. I want to cut to the chase. Like, I have anticipated everything you could possibly think about the thing I'm about to say.

So I'm going to say it ahead of saying the thing I want to say so that you can get all the questions out of your mind. I know that the simulations that you ran didn't work. And everything I sent. as far as equations and math goes, didn't make any sense to you. But this is a little bit, you know, it's a little dab of art and a little dab of science.

Like I'm a once in a generation talent, you're not going to believe what I'm capable of when I play the beautiful instrument that is the Starship Enterprise. Kaczynski throws a real Terrence Fletcher from Whiplash amount of energy around in a way that just being the way he is, Like, it's funny, Argyle never seems to be put off by him. And Riker either.

They are willing to eat a little bit of his shit in order to just get the experiment done. Yeah. Like, I think Wesley's the only one that is possible to, like, bring to heal from a personality like this. But I feel like everyone else is sort of like, whatever, dude, like, let's just do the thing. Like, they can't be hurt by him, you know?

Right. Yeah. How great does this warp core area look? I wanted to talk about this real briefly with you. This is a bowman that would go on to work a lot of X-Files episodes. And seeing the way these places were lit in this episode reminded me a lot of those early seasons of X-Files that were so moody with the lighting. Yeah. It also feels like the camera is lower than normal when we see the core itself, like to really like,

emphasize the grandiosity of how huge it is. I really wondered watching this one if I would have the same experience walking onto the warp core set that I did onto the reproduction bridge set. Like, oh, it is much smaller than I imagined it to be. But, like, but Baumann makes it look immense and powerful and, like, throbbing

in this way that is so visceral. Kaczynski describes what's going to happen here at what I want to describe as like the toddler sandbox table. Like everyone sort of gathers around it. Yeah. Riker and Argyle and Kaczynski to go over what's going to happen. The teacher is going to do a lesson about like the like water cycle where they like dig a trench and and make water go down to the ocean.

Crucially, the assistant is a little further away, a little out of earshot even. Well, he's over, he's over in the nook, the Shimoda corner. Right. that we've come to know and love. And it's also, crucially, the position that Wesley was at when they all came into the room. So one of the big reasons they needed to kick Wesley off the console that he was working. The Traveler does this very nicely. Yeah.

Doesn't he? Traveler brings such friendly energy while Kaczynski brings like, coked up Cairo-Wing. repractor energy about like all of the adjustments he's about to do. And they start working it, you know, traveler on his computer, Kaczynski on the other. And Wesley is right in there. He gets right in the traveler's nook. He wants to see what the traveler's up to. And I guess in many ways, Wesley never leaves the traveler's nook. Like from here on out, that's where he lives. I think it's very important that what is about to happen on the ship is described as non-destructive. Nothing bad is going to happen.

We're just going to run this engine experiment. And that begins at warp one and a half. Maybe we won't even go faster than warp four. But that's the expectation here. It's going to be really chill. Shit goes down pretty fast. Kaczynski has lost control with the ship. experiment. And I think you don't need him to say so if you're looking at how hard the warp core

is pumping at what is basically a hummingbird's heart rate. Something just doesn't look right about the warp core here. Did you get the sense the assistant made a mistake? Because there is one moment where like the camera finds his face and he's like, oh shit. Well, it's like right before he starts the like phasing in and out of reality. It is either he made. a mistake or he doesn't want to get blamed for it because it definitely has the energy of wouldn't you just want to get away at a moment like that if you could? No. We have a very unique jump to warp and go past warp 10 and the assistant gets like knocked

back where like they're reporting our velocity being totally off the scale. And Picard on the bridge is like, uh, reverse engines. and there's a little argument with data about whether or not that's a safe thing to do, but they do it. He doesn't even consider all-stop. Like, when your car is out of control, like, maybe you're going down the other side of a mountain. Right. And there's no, like, pull-off for semi-trucks.

You would want to pull the e-break and not throw it in reverse, right? But that's car math and not boat math. And I think they're working on boat math, right? Like, if you spin the prop the other way on boat, boat, like you probably stop faster, right? You do. That is such a great comparison, because we're talking about space, and space is like water, not like road.

Like, you're tearing your fucking engine up if you throw your car and reverse going down a hill. Yeah, but not if you're on a boat. All right. Anyways, Wesley was the only person that saw what was happening with the traveler, and we've dropped out of warp into what. Gordy describes as the far side of galaxy M33. These are those M numbers I was talking about, Adam. Yeah, yeah.

The Messier numbers. It's a whole classification system. Not only have they left their home galaxy, but they passed through two more in order to arrive two million light years from where they started, and it'll take 300 years to get home. Ben, what a great idea for a Star Trek series this is.

fucking slaps. I wonder what kind of crazy aliens they'll meet along the way. Jordy, set a course for home. I've laid in the reciprocal course back, Captain. My first officer and chief medical officer have perished. But we're keeping Biff Yeager.

He's still going to be the head engineer. Sounds great. I mean, what we're talking about is combining Riker and Beverly Crusher into a biker? Yeah, I like it. Amazing. I am La Coutis aboard.

You will respond to my questions. I am La Coutis aboard. You are bored. Just kept talking in one long, incredibly unwroken sentence, moving from topic to topic so that no one had the chance to be interrupted. It was really quite igniting. Kaczynski struts onto the bridge. proud as hell.

They have just done something that will put his name in the history books forever. Have you ever been so happy that you've swung your arms from side to side the way Kaczynski is here? What a move.

I don't know if I've ever been truly happy seeing this. You know, seeing what genuine pride of accomplishment looks like in a person who has done it. Kaczynski tries to explain what's happened and I don't think anyone could explain better than

what is outside the view screen. That is telling the story here, right? It is a lava lamp dropped into a bunch of salad dressing inside like you know how on a driveway you'll see like kind of a shimmery oil slick. Yeah. Down there. I mean, it looks amazing. outside. It truly does. It's just another galaxy, right? Like, they went through a couple of galaxies and are now on the far side of one. It kind of feels like they're in between galaxies, though. It feels like this galaxy is way weirder than the one we came from. And down in engineering, the assistant, it's not looking so great. Like, he was pale, but he's looking fucking pale. Hard to know if that's Wesley related, what's going on with him.

Sure. He's like, if you could just get out of my nook, I think that would make me feel a lot better. He does not want Wesley to call his mother, and he does feel responsible for what's happened. But Wesley has already puzzled it out, that somehow space and time and thought are closely related, and the assistant is a little freaked out about how quickly he grasps the idea. the energy to the scene, I can't emphasize enough, has got a real, hey, don't tell your parents about what we talked about energy. The sort of energy you don't want between an adult and a kid. Like, you must never speak of this is just never something an adult should say to a kid.

Like, almost under any circumstance, like, it's clear that Wesley is like delving into something that the assistant says like they're not ready to. to hear your truth, Wesley. And, you know, I imagine that's like a meaningful moment for a certain type of viewer. But you don't want the adult to be discouraging disclosure in exactly that way. And I also like that it's couched in like, you know, Kaczynski is not like completely idiotic. He's like the blind man that's describing part of the. elephant kind of a thing. On the bridge, Kaczynski is still peacocking around about this great thing he did,

and he's going to have his name on the new warp speedometer for all time. Why not? Since I'm the one who's made the so-called warp barrier meaningless. That's Argyle gassing him up. He calls it the Kaczynski scale. Picard really throws some cold water on his nuts about this. And scientific advancements really only matter if you can do them a second time, right? So can you do this again, Kaczynski specifically as a way to get us home. And Kaczynski is super confident about doing the same thing. And it's going to work a second time. And so he's going to go off and try that. The second he leaves the bridge, Picard is like, okay, guys, what do you think? This feels crazy to me. And everybody gets to weigh in. Like, this may be like one scene

where emotional bloodhound, Deanna Troy. I know what you're thinking. Actually. says something that is interesting, which is he's not lying, but like, that leaves the possibility open that he really believes what he's saying. I think there's a heavy handedness to the direction that you start to understand in a moment like this, because what we get here is another, like, very intentional tableau in this shot. Like, everyone is arranged just so, so they can share these ideas with each other. Cast photo style. You just don't get these moments in a modern TV show without a musical score to accompany,

you know, to suggest that there is thoughtfulness taking place. Right. If we can do this again, Picard says, they can send like a ship that all they do is science. Like they could send one of those ships that's just a sphere with nacelles, you know? Yeah. Like this does not have to be the job of the flagship data to do. do all the scanning of this unique place that we have found ourselves in. No one wants to be on a Pasteur-class starship, but maybe if you sent it this far out

to do this kind of cool shit, we could put half its crew compliment on there. Maybe that many people would want to show up for work. I hear Beverly's thinking about taking a year off, you know? The USS Curious is what that would be called. Back in the engine room, Kaczynski comes in with the same BDE he had when he walked onto the bridge, talking about how basically he's a history book shoe in. And all of you little people that were here might get mentioned in footnotes. And he is getting ready to punch in the calculations to get them home.

And Wesley kind of tries to pull Riker aside and be like, hey, man, I think that this may not all be like exactly what it seems. And I think the assistant had a lot to do with why we're here. And Riker kind of hushes him up. I wish Wesley had said something like, that guy makes me feel weird. And he told me some stuff that I shouldn't tell you. But I think that's wrong.

And so now I'm telling an adult the very funniest part of this entire. episode happens here, which I just love. So Riker's not trying to hear Wesley's note about what happened. And instead, pivots to a assistant's too tired. We can't have him work this job. He needs his rest. And to emphasize his point, he helps the assistant move from one very short stool to the very short stool right next to it. if you blink twice, I think you missed this moment, but the way Will Wheaton like pulls him from his shoulder, basically across to another bar stool here, is so unnecessary and hilarious.

Well, it's necessary in his mind because he's like, I want to see Kaczynski do this by himself. Like if Lobster Hands here is not on this console, can Kaczynski do the thing that he claims to be able to do, And that would be a way to verify the veracity of what Kaczynski's saying. But this isn't like, no, no, no, I'm going to slump back over under the other stool. And everyone gets in position. Now everybody's seated.

Like everybody was standing before at the sand table. They're all sitting now. Everyone knows better now. Yeah. I couldn't be sure Kaczynski wasn't standing on his knees for this, like, dorfing I bet. I mean, he did have a couple of, like, really epic golf shots there. Let's look at the swing in a regular speed.

They start. They're going. And Kaczynski seems confused and perturbed that it's not going exactly the way he expected it to. But the traveler starts glitching out again. And this time, Riker notices, crucially. but also everything gets super blurry and they go through space again

at a insane rate of war they've gone to plaid and after all stop we are now somewhere even weirder than before a billion light years away from their home galaxy kind of look like they're inside like a wadded up blue scarf that like all the sequins are falling off of

yeah real thrift door scarf at the view screen. It's a crazy distance that they've traveled. It almost is like no distance at all. It's so impossible to comprehend. Picard walks himself to engineering this time. Yeah. But once he's gone, Worf sees a targ on the bridge,

which is an old childhood pet that he used to have. Ben, did the Reschenko's really allow him to have a targ? In his childhood home, I find this hard to believe. Was this the targ he had on Camp Kittimer? Like before he went to the Rochankos? Yeah, he's not specific about what part of his childhood as this little guy was his companion. Did the Romulan's murder his pet?

Yeah. No wonder he hates their guts so much. I think crucially, the detail that Tasha Yarr sees it too is interesting. because once we start to see all of these things appear for crew people, it's much more funny to think that other people can see them too, and it's not just the person. Well, I also like the, there's kind of like a domino effect of like, Yarr sees the Targonne as like, oh, that's what pets are to the Klingon people.

You're telling me it's a kitty cat? Yes. And then she thinks of one time she was in the presence of an animal, that one would consider a potential pet and it was in a horrific flashback. Yeah, she sees the targ and she's like, that reminds me of my rapy comfort cat. I hate cats.

I love that. What are you doing here? So like the thing Tasha manifests is a knock-on effect of the thing Wharf manifests. Right. What Picard manifests is just like a deep-seated personal fear. like what if the turbo lift doors open and it's just space? Yeah.

Which is a great take by Patrick Stewart in an early episode of the series. It's also just like a really cool effect. Like it looks really interesting. And also like I think it's a very cool choice that they didn't make the exterior space place look like the wadded up blue scarf that they're seeing at the view screen. like the space that he almost falls into is Enterprise at Warp Space and that's the fear, you know. When Tasha Yard tells Jordy about what the cat's all about and how she remembers it and refers to the rape gangs of her childhood colony, man, I'm with you, Jordy. I don't know what you say to that.

Are you all right? That's really tough. Yeah. I mean, I could tell you we're going through something, but I didn't need to know that. We cut to some other areas of the ship where things aren't quite as scary. Folks doing ballet and playing violin. Also being chased by unseen forces, like, that's part of it. So it's like there's a, there's some terror mixed into the benign.

Right. But I think it's important to realize that, like, it's not nightmare shit happening to everyone across the board. Not everybody is experiencing an event horizon. And it's also not clear how consistently the illusions appear to people nearby. Like Tasha could see the targ, but I think maybe Picard didn't see the tutu on the, on the Ensign. You know, like when he yells at her and she snaps out of it, she's just in her uniform. And it doesn't seem like, I feel like Picard would have said something if he had. had looked at her and seen her in a tutu dancing around the cargo bay.

Right, right. Finally, Picard encounters his mom, who is not swinging from a rope, but instead sitting in a chair offering him tea. I'll make it cool and strong the way you like it. No more. And they do that thing where they give Picard that reverse bandit mask of light. Like he's Kirk in a TOS episode here. Yeah.

What do you think of that? I mean, I think season one TNG has so much TOS in it and we don't talk about it enough. Picard tries to make himself clear to his mom, like, by sort of describing what's happened and where they are. Referring to an outer rim. Like, I understand what he's trying to describe, you know, geometrically, but maybe if he used a circular loop of rope or something to make his point, I think maybe she might understand it better. Right, and it may not have been so upsetting to him If she had said something like, you know, even though I'm gone Like there's always a piece of rope connecting you to me

Promise me you won't go into the basement You do not want to know what is down there in those stones Oh, my father used to say There are a thousand ways to die When she leaves, this is another moment where Patrick Stewart is given an opportunity to shine in reaction to something. Like, that stepping off of the turbo lift was real terror. And when his mom disappears here, you really see the devastation on his face. He is both, like, he's irritated with Riker for interrupting what he believes to be, like, an opportunity to learn something about what's going on. like he takes like a snap second to grieve that moment of connection with his mom that he maybe even feels like he squandered a little bit on mission shit and he goes like all right riker i don't want to be helped i want to be the help like let's set red alert let's fucking get down to business and they go to engineering where they have brought a bio bed in so that the assistant can lie on it near the warp core that's always a bad sign right if you

can't be moved to where medicine can be practiced on you. They just put you on a massage table where you're at. The assistant keeps like grabbing Picard's hand and trying to put it in his lower back. Like, yeah, like, I feel especially bad down here. Picard gets on the one MC to tell everyone that this place that the ship is in is in some sort of world of pure imagination. And he tries ordering everyone not to think of the same. stay puffed marshmallow man, which is the second direct line between TNG and Ghostbusters and only a few episodes. It is.

I really like that this all is something that Picard has figured out himself. You know, he didn't need a whole McLaughlin group to go over what everybody thinks might be happening. And they kind of stepped to Kaczynski at this point. And they're like, so this wasn't really anything you had anything to do with. And he's like, I really thought I did. I don't know what to say. This revelation is like being made the pilot

and the smugglers run ride at Disneyland. You think the thing that you're doing at the controls is affecting anything at all? And it turns out you're not. The ride's just doing what it's doing. Argyle should have known. He really throws himself on the sword here. He's like, my bad, like, I should have spoken up more

when I saw how stupid the equations were. But if the first officer can't convince the captain, the equations are idiotic, then like, what's the chief engineer going to do? It's really bad news that the traveler is dying because he is the only one that could possibly get them home from so far away. Finally, they transfer this guy to Six Bay. Pretty good idea there. And Dr. Crusher is struggling to fix him. And finally, because Wesley's in the room here, there's a lot of talk around Wesley. and Picard himself is the one to get the folks in the room to stop calling him the boy. My name is Wesley, Commander Riker. He knows.

We all know. I was kind of touched by that. Yeah. Like it was a moment, the first of many moments where Picard actually comes to the defense of a character that he initially didn't care for at all. He insists that Beverly wake the assistant up and Beverly is resistant, but he's like, this is a fucking emergency because the longer we're here, the, the dumber the things people might think of and our ship could be destroyed, basically. So get that fool awake. And the second he's awake, the assistant confesses to being a traveler of all of space and time. I've made some mistakes

is an incredible admission for what those mistakes are. Like, real quaveral box of polity type stuff here from the assistant mistakes were made and I made them the mistakes were made and by me no one could have possibly foreseen that we would end up a billion light years away from where we started we're not finding you don't deserve to wear that uniform we have a little bit more conversation about how thought is the basis of all reality and kaczynski is like no, that can't be. Like, I'm over here on this part, and this just feels like the side of an elephant. And I like that Kaczynski was the one that felt like what the traveler was actually doing is magic.

Right. The traveler has a way of describing himself, the things that he does and his relationship to his world, that is very poetic. it is very non-denominational spiritual travel agent. What is the essence of where you are now? Like he understands the trip he wants to take everyone on in a way that he can't quite articulate to folks outside of that kind of very new agey, woo-wooey kind of vernacular, you know? It becomes clear that he's kind of like,

this is kind of a first contact situation for him and his people. They didn't ever think humans were interesting enough until now. But doesn't he seem a little cueish? A little cueish. And he goes back under. And at this point, Picard is like really out of patience

with Kaczynski. For all the scientific opportunity, this adventure has presented, like the information that we're gathering will never reach anyone that can do anything with it because we're too far away. Yeah.

So, like, they wake him back up and the traveler like commits to helping them get home. And then he's like, all right, everybody else can leave the meeting. I just want to talk to Picard now. And they have a little one-on-one in this dark operation room. What he admits is that he goes around the galaxy looking for real Wesley types. He and a few like him are why I travel. And then he makes sure that they are on the right track.

and encouraged toward realizing their potential. He's like, you know, Kaczynski? Not untalented, but a bit of a salieri. Wesley. Now that's a Mozart. Picard says he understands. And so the traveler is taken to engineering, and Picard heads back to the bridge.

And promises not to say anything about this to Wesley or his mom. Right. That's part of the deal. Picard finds a crew person trapped by his own imaginary flames. encourages him to put out the flames with his mind. And he does. What he does not do is get ordered to change into a fresh uniform. No, he has to go back to his station immediately after this.

Picard encourages the entire crew to think really, really happy things and especially happy things about the traveler, because that's going to be the woofie that he can, like, harness to get them home. No random shit. It really resembled a call to prayer, didn't it? On the one MC. Yeah, that's why he got up on top of that minaret. And all decks comply.

Like, we cut around seeing everybody listening to this. And down in engineering, the traveler's like, Kaczynski, why don't you get on the other console? And he is so touched that the traveler thinks of him in this moment. Like, Kaczynski retroactively becomes the rudy of the episode. Like, he fought so hard for this. And it's like a little bit of vindicating in a weird way. It would be so easy to be too cynical for this moment to work.

But I really found it effective. Yeah. And I think it's Stanley Camel and his performance that pulls this off. Like, he could be so loathsome for the first 80% of the, this episode, but at the very end, when he goes in that opposite direction, he really becomes someone you root for. It is not easy to play guy we hated getting something that they don't deserve and taking it graciously. Yeah. Yeah, he does a great job with that. So they get going. Picard's a little impatient because it only looks like the speed that they were going the first time

and not the speed that they were going the second time. And it doesn't really seem to be working, but then Wesley gives the traveler like a like a little handshake and the phasing starts to happen and now we're cooking with gas and he phases so fucking hard that he disappears he says oh my God I'm in a phase and then he goes and that's the last we see of that guy he's gone there's a moment right after this happens

where they're like, I think it's Riker and Wesley and Kaczynski or something standing by the table in engineering going like, oh my God, we did it. And there's like a background actor with a clipboard that just like walks over to somebody and like compares some notes and then hands on the clipboard. Like, what could you be doing that's just like routine right now, man? Pretty great moment. But we're back in position. Like we're exactly where we were when this whole adventure started and Riker comes back to the bridge and is sad to report that the traveler appears to not exist in any way we understand anymore. And Picard reports this to the whole ship. He's like, you know that guy we were thinking all those happy thoughts about? RSVP, that guy,

maybe. We killed him. One of you on the crew thought a bad thought about him. And look at what happened. You might want to think about that tonight as you're going to sleep. I'm not going to name the person I think caused this. I think you know who you are out there. I want you to think about that tonight. This is like Picard toxic management tips.

They've talked a little bit about how if Riker had just listened to Wesley in the first place, maybe all of this mess wouldn't have happened. And they decide it's time to summon the book. boy to the bridge. And I love when they call him up. He enters the bridge as if he was one floor below, like waiting with the turbo lift ready to go just in case. And he enters the bridge.

And Picard is like, okay, like, yeah, you know, come on, kick the tires on some of these chairs. And Riker cites some, like, standing order that Picard has given. to sort of pimp Picard into issuing Wesley a field commission to acting ensign. But it's not a reward. They try very hard not to make it seem that way. It's going to be so much work,

so much studying, so much sitting on a stool without a back to it uncomfortably. Riker's like, we should get the doctor up here. Like, she will fucking love this. Like, let's pop some champagne and party. and no, they're going to let Wesley have that moment later. That's our stand-up and cheer moment. Yeah, how about that?

He's so happy. Happier than he's ever been. Ben, I came up with an idea for what to talk about after I recap. Before I really knew how hammered you would be, let me just pitch you what I had in mind. And we'll just get your reaction to, to, to even the idea that we could pull this off. Lay it on me.

What I wanted to do, based on what we experienced this episode, is something that I don't feel like we get a lot of opportunities to do, which is like do a very special after-show segment where we can get serious and thoughtful. Because I want to talk about Wesley Crusher's relationship to adults and why it feels so weird now when it might not have then. because I sincerely think it is no longer possible for adults to try to support or motivate or mentor younger people the way they used to. And I think there are a lot of dark, bad reasons for that, but I also feel like that there's something sad about that too. Because when I was younger, my neighbors were really cool and my neighbors were my parents' age.

And I would often like talk to them when they were around. my neighbor taught me how to play golf and he was an adult that wasn't my parent and I wasn't in any danger with them but I feel like the opportunities for those relationships between younger person and older person is not available for good reason but also for bad reason

and I wonder what we lose when when that's not a possibility when a kid can only have a relationship with an adult that is their parent safely you know what do you think about that I think we maybe like overestimate how much risk kids are in in any given circumstance these days in a way that maybe our parents generation underestimated. I'm not really sure. Like I feel like maybe there's like an overcorrect, under correct, but I'm not quite sure

where like the happy medium is. It's something I think about a lot as a parent because yeah. That's why I wanted to ask you specifically. Speaking of neighbors, like I had a couple of kids. in the neighborhood that I played with. But like when I was a kid, there were a bunch of people like in our neighborhood that I was on friendly terms with. Like I would,

there was a guy across the street who was the oboist for the San Francisco Symphony Orchestra. First gay person I ever met. And I was like, like I would go over there and hang out. And it was like not weird or creepy or anything. It was just a nice neighbor who was like worldly and like a little sophisticated.

and, like, you know, might have a movie on that was like a little bit above my pay grade. And I was at zero risk. Like, like, zero traumatic things happened when I went over to his house. It was just a cool dude in the neighborhood. And, like, our son has started to do, like, go play at other kids' house and we're not there hangs. And I've heard that, like, some families just, like, completely don't do that now. Like, you never let your kid go over to something. somebody else's house because what could happen. And I don't judge anybody for like making that

decision. I don't have like the qualification to like even make the cost benefit analysis of of it, you know. But I think that I identified with Wesley when I was a kid because Wesley had a relationship with adults that seemed similar to the one that I aspired to having with adults. I feel exactly the same way. And that's why I wanted to talk about this specifically which was like how much pressure it puts on on a nuclear family or parents when like you are the only besides their teacher I guess yeah the only significant adults in their life like I loved having adult people to compare my parents to and just to have that data point absolutely you know like the adult friends that my parents had like when I would go over to their house and see what like a

different kind of just like seeing what other lifestyles were like that was like some of the most valuable and most educational and motivating stuff I experienced in my childhood. Like, oh, like, this guy is an entertainment attorney and he lives on a house on top of a hill and drives a cool-ass Jeep Wrangler, you know. Yeah. You know, I'm glad I didn't choose entertainment attorney as my career, but like I knew what was available to me in a way that I think the law of kids don't get, you know? Yeah. Well, I'm sure this is going to come up a few more times. in episodes involving Wesley Crusher specifically. But I'm glad we got a chance to talk about something a little more serious

because that had been on my mind throughout this episode. So thanks for having that chat, Ben. Thank you, Adam. Do you want to see if there's anything sincere in the Priority One inbox? Only if an adult wrote it. Priority One message from Starfleet coming in on Secured Channel. You need a supplemental income. Supplement.

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That is unimaginable. I know a lot of friends of DeSoto are sending you love right now. Absolutely. Yeah, not just Simon, even though Simon put this out for the group, but I hope in sharing this you get some comfort. Yeah, me too. Ben, we got a final priority one message here. This one is from Hannah O, and it's to you and me.

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We did. Yes. I told you. Best sport in the world. One part basketball, one part swimming. One part wrestling. I didn't know it was such a rough game. The show where I'd ask you three trivia questions about horse polo or water polo or chicken recipes.

But that game is dead. Because this isn't Star Trek Enterprise. Well, we have here as an opportunity to play a different three-question game. Okay. That I will create based specifically on the events and characters of an episode of Star Trek The Next Generation like we just saw. Get the questions right, and you'll gain your freedom. I think there's something Ben could know. I think it's time he told me so.

There's something deep inside of heat. And somewhere else he'd rather be. There's no way this game could be lame. Correct answers he must obtain. I just hope he understands. Sometimes the brain do not make the man. All he has to do now is hear these lines and answer truth. Somehow.

All he has to be is someone who always knew their right answers for all three questions. Freedom. You won't let us down. Freedom. I will not let you give up. Freedom. You got to make no mistakes. It's nice to be the first podcast that has gotten to a concept like this.

No, no. Three multiple choice questions await you, Ben. One question about faraway places. Another about things with three fingers. And finally, a question about a different Kaczynski. This time I'm talking about Ted Kaczynski, the Unabomber. Ben, you laugh now, but if you don't get these questions right, what you'll have to do is tape your fingers together

in a traveler-like configuration for an entire day. and do a video diary about your experience for social media. Let's begin. Question one is about faraway places. In where no one has gone before, the Enterprise travels 2.7 million light years from home. Which of these real-world locations is the farthest from any human settlement? A. Alert Nanavut Canada,

the world's northern most permanently inhabited. a military outpost in the Arctic. That's A. B. Villa Las Estraeus Antarctica, a Chilean research station, and one of only two civilian settlements on the continent. And C. Point Nemo in the South Pacific Ocean, known by some as the oceanic Ocean of inaccessibility.

A is in Canada. B is in Antarctica. C is in the South Pacific Ocean. Your answer, Ben. I'm going to go with sea in the South Pacific, because Pacific Ocean big. Ben, sea is correct. Point Nemo is over a thousand miles from the nearest land in any direction. Yes.

Question two. The traveler's species has three large, disgusting, Broughtworth-sized fingers on each hand. What real animal also has three digits per limb? A. The Sloth, which moves so slowly that algae grows on its fur. B, the I-I-Lamer, which uses its elongated middle finger to tap on trees and extract grubs. C, the rhinoceros, which has three toes on each foot and can run up to 30 miles an hour, despite weighing over a ton. I'm going to lock it in with sloth because I believe I have heard specifically of a three-toed sloth. Correct answer, Ben.

Yes! The three-toed sloth! Yes! Let's see if you are as knowledgeable about famous terrorist Ted Kaczynski. I had a friend when I was a kid whose dad was on his list, by the way. What an honor. Yeah. Ted Kaczynski lived in a 10-foot-by-14-foot cabin in Montana with no electricity or running water from 1971 until his 1996 arrest.

What unexpected literary influence did Kizzenk? Sinsky's site for his primitive lifestyle. Is it A, Jack London's The Call of the Wild, B, Henry David the Rose, Walden, or C, Ernest Hemingway's the Old Man in the Sea? I'm going to go with Walden. That's going to be my final answer. Ben, you have aced the very first edition of Threaton

and gotten all of the answers correct. good job by you Best freedom on the internet easily Absolutely Yeah Good job by you Thank you

You've wiggled out of your punishment Yeah Interesting that you didn't set up any stakes Where if I did so There would be maybe a negative downside for you But I hope that is inspirational To you going forward

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