The Greatest Generation - There’s No Uhuras in Red Squad (DS9 S6E22)

Episode Date: July 13, 2020

When a Noh-Jay Consortium business trip runs afoul of a Jem’Hadar attack wing, only the Little V can save them. But when the no grownups allowed crew start to indoctrinate Nog, it’s up to Jake Sisko, boy reporter, to bring everyone back to their senses. What’s the big deal about sunrise on the moon? Don’t those pills belong in a museum? What amenities are available in a Starfleet escape pod? It’s the episode that is thermally cool, but not socially cool. Follow The Game of Buttholes: The Will of the Prophets! Support the production of The Greatest Generation. Music by Adam Ragusea & Dark Materia  Follow The Greatest Generation on Twitter, and discuss the show using the hashtag #GreatestGen! Facebook group | Subreddit | Wiki Sign up for our mailing list!

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How does this day find you, my friend. Pete Nutman, this studio home office situation, it's a hot one and you told me that we were insane for not having air conditioning and you're being proven more right. Yeah, it's been very Kaliente here in Los Angeles last year. You live on the cool side of town. I mean, not like socially cool, but the thermally cool side of town. Yeah. In thermal only.

Yeah. Yeah, but boy, I don't know how you're doing it, man. I hope you paid for the overnight shipping on whatever you've ordered to cool your place off. Yeah, I mean, it's going to take some time. It's going to take some money. It's going to take some work. All of those happening during the hottest months, I'm told, right?

Yeah, fun. Fortunately, the hottest months last until like October. So, Oh, cool. You've got a while. You'll have plenty of days to appreciate having gotten it. I was just going to say it like, uh, God, in my previous home, I feel like when our furnace broke and we got a new one, like spring head sprung.

And so we're like, Oh, shit. Like, not even going to use this thing, but that's not gonna be the case. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's for sure. I'll be content to cooling myself off with a giant tanker of iced rum and coffee. It's so damn hot! Is that what you're drinking? Yeah, it's a damn hot.

It's a damn hot. It's a damn hot. I woke up super early this morning because my dog was like piling at the door and I thought he wanted to... I thought he had like a bathroom emergency, but it turned out he was just hungry. Wow. Yeah, he fooled me. You, like there's an urgency to that if you're special animal friend starts communicating a lot,

you immediately go into treeage mode. Right. And he's the kind of dog that will give you a zup if he's about to do a poo. Like if he has an emergency poo that he needs to make, he will make it known so that he doesn't have to do it inside the house. My dog has become a, as soon as we leave the house, pooper, and then before we even get to the end of the block, second pooper. Wow. And this has happened for the last week and a half,

almost. This has been the case. Good for him. Hey, you know, speaking of walking dogs, it's kind of like a kangaroo pouch for a butt. It's going on in there. It's going on in there. It's going on in there.

Yeah. I'm a proud parent. Speaking of walking dogs, it being one of the few excuses I get to leave the house these days, I actually had a dog-related bad bit moment recently, Adam. Wow. Bits, bits, bits. You're always doing bits, bits, bits. You're always doing bits bits. You're always doing bits bits. I was doing bits. Bad bit moment. Bad bit moment. Alright, what happened? So there's a guy that I see

sometimes walking my dog that is like a a cool surfer, soCal guy. And he's got like, he's got like shoulder length blonde hair and a golden lab and. Classic soCal surfer dude. Yeah, and. With a soCal surfer dog. Yeah, he always waves high to me and I always wave high back.

And I've never really exchanged many words with him because I just see him in passing at the park. But the other day at the park, his dog was finishing a pee as my dog and I entered the park. And Darwin ran over to where the pee was instead of to say how to the dog. Darwin went to smell the dog's pee. And I stood there while this was happening and I said, yeah, I guess my dog's a bit of a piss freak. Oh, I do with it. It's, it's, it's. No matter what. And this guy who I've like literally not talked to doesn't know my sense of humor.

You just go right there. Just went right to piss freak and like my face is half covered by a mask. So I imagine he didn't see how badly I blushed, but he definitely like looked at me like, huh, didn't see it, didn't see that coming kind of. It occurs to me that Darwin may be misnamed. I'd like to think of him as Bashir or Julian. Yeah. So, yeah, really bad bit moment. I joke that if I had done that in your presence, I think you would have appreciated it greatly,

but springing it on a stranger just does not work there are a lot of drawbacks to the mask socially and most of those occur with during interactions with strangers totally I have found Walking around here on those dog walks It's totally different from walking around in Seattle because you are greeted as a living human being

by other people in LA that you're almost totally ignored in Seattle. And so I've gotten used to this new way of being. Like you pass someone on the sidewalk, like you keep your distance, you pass on the sidewalk. There's pre-mask, there was a zip or was a zep or recognition of a person's humanity. The mask makes that a lot harder, so I've been doing a lot of waving.

Waving is the new thing, yeah. Yeah. I often have headphones in when I'm walking my dog and I think a lot, like, I think half of the people have gone to a verbal thing, they've replaced their like smile and slight nod with a, hey, how are you? Or something like that? Yeah. And the other half of the people are on the waving plan. And I feel bad because a lot of

people say something to me and then I have to like stop and take the earbud out and go, I'm sorry, I didn't catch that. What did you say? And they're like, oh, I just said, hi. take the earbud out and go, I'm sorry, I didn't catch that. What did you say? And they're like, how I just said, hi. You got to, I mean, I get all up in my head about the wave thing because you have the choice of transmitting information with that maneuver. And I made a mistake one time of being like wiggly fingers wave guy. You do not want to be that guy, Ben. Like a nice crisp, almost like a handshake, right? Like you handshake and then like one pump and then you're out. Well, the way we used to handshake, no one's gonna shake anyone's hand anymore

for the rest of our lives, but now, feel like the single wave is the way to be. No fingers, keep your fingers out of there. Should we be live long and prospering, people? Or is that too dorky? I don't think I can do it, man. That is way too dorky. Yeah, it's really dorky. I think wiggly fingers is better than live long and prosper, fingers. then live long and prosper fingers. Yeah, you might be right.

You might be right. Live long and prosper. It says too many like it's it's an uncontrolled message. In the same way that Wiggly fingers is, I think like it. It might mean too many too many undentended things. Yeah. Yeah. And I don't even know what what Wiggly fingers say, but I know it's not something I'm trying to say.

Yeah, right. Exactly. It's like a German phrase that you know, but you don't know the translation of. It's like you're sitting down with a German speaker and they're like, I'm going to do a bit on this guy by teaching him to like parrot this phrase that means something awful That's what wiggly fingers are. It's the awful German phrase that you don't know the definition of It's it's it's you know, we haven't added another rule to Adam and Ben's rules of living a.k.a. Ben and Adam's rules of living, in a long, long time, and I'm wondering if when waving at someone do not wiggle your fingers is a candidate for that list. Yeah, I mean, it seems like an important life lesson. I just pulled up the greatest generation

wiki. Right. That's where all those rules live, right? I have the rules here in front of me. All right, let's recap. Should we go through the rules? I think that's important. Okay.

Rule number one, seats on airplanes must never be reclined, which is basically, we could take that off the list at this point because I'm never going to go to another airplane. But, that's just, it's such a gut punch already. Rule number two, don't touch the screen. Fair. Rule number three. That's almost unarguable, right? Like people really love to argue about rule number one.

That now not arguable because it's not a thing anymore. Yeah, there aren't airplanes anymore. So whether or not the seats are reclining is a moot point. I think two has been elevated maybe into the number one position because, especially, now that most people are living and working from home, there might be, you might find something out about first and you live with, or your special partner. You're ordering a new desk lamp and your partner comes over to see the array of products that your internet search has returned. And they touch the screen to show you which one they like.

No way! Get your fingers off my screen! It's no good. All right, number three, leave without saying goodbye. Number four, be kind and polite, tip well, and be brief with customer service people. That's a good rule. That's like the golden rule. Yeah, it's perfect. Number five, no bits on tips.

No bits on tips. Number six, the bathroom in an RV is for number one's only. That's a big rule. Yeah, I mean, it's never gonna come up in my life because I'm never gonna have RV money, but it's a big rule. Yeah. I mean, it's never going to come up in my life because I'm never going to have our V money, but it's a good rule. You could, but you could be invited into an RV in a situation where you thought it was a safe harbor for a number two, but it is not. Yeah.

And then rule number seven, the greatest generation must be listened to at one X. I think those are all solid. I don't think we're kicking any of those rules out. I think some have become less relevant than others. But what do you think about adding wiggle fingers to the list? So rule number eight. When waving at a stranger, no wiggly fingers. Oh, boy. It's fun to look back at these rules. We haven't talked about them in a long time. I know. Life rules by Ben and Adam. Yeah. The, the two least qualified people to tell you how to live your life. Yeah. This is, this is not an advice show.

Yeah, sure isn't. Well, Adam, do you want to get into our super serious joke-free Star Trek podcast? Always ready to take an episode of Star Trek seriously with you Ben. Let's really give this one the academic treatment. It's in its deep space nine, season six episode 22, valiant. Do you realize how incredible this seems? No, of course you don't. We are opening at Quark's bar where the drink replicator is broken. Quark is working as asoff, actually making drinks. Which seems like, I mean, you see a making drinks

on a lot of episodes, but this seems to be like an especially intense drink-making situation. I like that he cracks an egg into somebody's beverage. Quark's needs a speed well. That's a problem. He's too reliant on that replicator. Yeah, it's a DAX that comes into fix it. That's right. Because ordinarily, there's like a hierarchy of people who would fix this device.

You submit the ticket and it goes to O'Brien who then shoves it off onto rum, who then shoves it off onto nog, and nog doesn't give a shit about quark, so he would not get in there expediently. When you look at this drink reclucator, what you got here is a real bartender's lament. As you can see, the manifolds are a jumbled mess, mixing lead pipes, copper, PVC, and various other materials, and they're from all different areas of the bar being in service. This bad tender has not cleared up his filters, but therefore, his drink gun is going to be clogged most of the time. I wouldn't want to suck down the bacteria-filled beverages in this dive for all the money in the world. It's so gross.

Yeah. When they pull down this panel, there's something instinctually revolting about the mix of technology and and wet. Yeah, totally. You know, like when the panels dropped and you see all the lights, but you also see viscosity, it's gross. It's a very like David Cronenberg feel. And yeah, I kind of, I think that like maybe, like I think it's a very effective little moment,

except for they also smeared the green goo on just the face of the replicator. And I think it would have very effective little moment, except for they also smeared the green goo on just the face of the replicator. And I think it would have been a little bit better if he'd cleaned up the kind of cosmetic thing, and then when she'd opened it, it had revealed how gross it was. Yeah. Because I think that as a business man,

especially like a food service business, you are hiding the grossness from the customer. Like if you walk into a restaurant and you see chicken carcasses and the garbage can, you're like, you, I don't want to be here. Part of it is the theatrics of this beautiful plate of food just appeared on my plate and I didn't have to see any of the sausage get made. Is that the reason outside of like slip and fall safety? Why why there's there's like the waffle flooring behind the bar? Why there's the the rubber mat where drinks are prepared?

Like right. Yeah. Because you want to catch the shit, but but you also need to hide it. Right. Yeah. You want it to be a little bit discreet. Yeah. So Dax is doing nog a, filling in on repair duty because Naga is on his trip.

Naga had a chance to take a trip to Ferenganar and I told him that I would cover for him while he was away. Yeah. With for some reason, Jake, Quark takes great umbridge with the idea that both Naga is heading to Ferenganar and also that Dax is his super And Odo picks up right away that it's not so much that that he believes that Dax is overqualified for this Yeah, it is because of Quarks infatuation with her Odo has real like first guy in high school to get a girlfriend energy

Where suddenly he's the expert on relationships and love because he got a girlfriend. It sucks. How did that? Fuck you, Odo. I don't really enjoy that the outshot of this scene is also quirkful on staring at DAX's ass for five seconds before we cut to the runabout. Yeah, like if we're gonna have Odo catching quirk in something, let's have him catch him, do that, you know. That's a great call. Like, I think you could re-edit the scene with the fudges that they have

and change how that feels entirely. Yeah, and make quirk, you know, peg the needle with a dirt bag quirk is. Theater in the round, day quark. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha When the moon at your eye like a big pizza pie. There's a reuniting of the Nojay consortium on the run about Shenandoah. Nojay consortium. Never heard of it. It's Jake and Nag.

Nag admits that this is a mission. This is a courier mission for him. He's been tasked with personally taking a message from the Federation to the Grand Naked and for some reason, Jake is there to tag along. Pretty nuts for Nog to be trusted with a high level diplomatic communique like this. This is the Federation making an explicit overture to the Ferengi alliance to join the war with the Dominion. And they give it to, I mean, like, you know, they make the case. He's the only Ferengi in Starfleet, which is worth mentioning, but also like, give me

a fucking break. It's nog. It makes total sense that he would be a part of the mission. It makes no sense that there is not also a diplomat with him. Right. At least stick a diplomat in the runabout that's tasked with dying, you know? Like, at least begin there. So they head out toward Ferenginar from Starbase, 3 Balboba, and in pretty short order, they detect that they are not alone in this part of space.

They roll over the part of space they're in and the log reveal is just a bunch of ticks underneath and they're heading the wrong way. I think that we see five ticks in the view screen and they just go right past them but then one circles back for the Shannon Della. I think all five should have just licked a shot at them. Yeah, that would have been easy, especially if you're the jammer and not the jammed. Right, because that's one of the things

that Nog complains about pretty fast as soon as they leave the star base. He's like, for some reason, our sensors are jammed and we can't communicate and then Blam, here's all the ticks. But the ticks don't have that problem. The ticks can sense that the runabout is headed their way. Right. Yeah. And it's strange. There's a pretty like jazzy camera shot kind of swooping across the bridge as they start taking a face of maneuvers and trying to outrun these ticks that reveals that the control panels on the Shannon

Doah are really fucked up and lived in. Did you see this? Yeah, I noticed that too. It's the part where they took, they took like a structural pillar out from the, between the forward windows. Yeah. So they could fit the camera behind there. And all you see is like the place where that structure was and it's not covered. Yeah.

It looks like nails were ripped up and out of it. Yeah. It doesn't look like a clean piece of technology. It looks like fucked up plywood, you know. technology, it looks like fucked up plywood, you know. The camera move, I think, is one that they're hoping is so unique that that's where your attention is. Like, you're looking at faces and you're experiencing a camera move instead of really taking in the place. I think it's also one of those we're shooting for SD TV. And maybe this gets cut off on 9 out of 10 TVs.

It gets a little muddy with resolution. Yeah, so I don't know. It was what I noticed in the shot. But it is like a new kind of thing, right? That kind of inside the cockpit of the X-Wing kind of camera work that they're working with. It felt like a greater usage of the run about space here than we've ever gotten before. And it's not just that shot, the establishing shot inside the Shenandoah

also shooting from behind as that door to the rear opens. It felt like a new perspective on the ship that we haven't gotten much before. Totally. The shot from the fruit bowl, so that is. Fruit bowl angle. Yeah, it's wild to think that like, they're in season six with the runabout

and somebody came up with some new stuff to do with them. Hammer or the quies. This was a Michael Vihar episode of Vihar and Viharter fame. If you remember that story. Yeah. I mean, I wonder if it's also partly going to CG instead of model miniatures for the X terriers thing, because like they can make those shots so much more dynamic with CG. I wonder if they need to kind of step up the camera work

on the interiors to match that. Yeah, I wonder. I like that instinct. You don't want your practical stuff blown away. No. It's not gonna fit. It'll look bad. Go to contour, the cup, go to contour.

So. After the theme we learned that Nugg floored it into Dominion held space and they're getting deeper in Dominion held space. This is a bad strategy by Nugg who sort of like brushes Jake off in a like this is the only place we could go. Like we're being chased. What do you want me to do? And you know they start to get a lot of holes punched in their runabout.

Did you notice what the computer said when the tick was attacking the Shinandoah? No. So they're getting bangers dropped on them and the Luxana Troy voice comes on the blower and says, morning, we're within range of enemy weapons. I thought that was a really bizarre statement. Like, I've never heard a computer say we. Right, the computer usually refers to the ship in like the third person. It doesn't have a, it doesn't have an eye. This felt like a very strange editing omission.

Like, I feel like there is a showbible about how the computer speaks and I don't think we as ever. Yeah. Said by computer voice. That's very strange. It definitely caught my attention. Yeah.

Activatorscape cards send out the log to where all hands of that in ship. Fortunately, the cavalry comes in. And this is a ship that they are initially misidentify as the little D, but it is in fact the little V, which is kind enough to take out this tick and beams, Jake and dog aboard. And this is a very familiar set, the interiors of the valiant look just like the interiors

of the defiant, very cheap television. Everything is tilted slightly like that sister station to deep space Totally Chief petty officer Kelly Clarkson Is who they meet who's transported them on board This is Dorian Collins. Yeah, yeah, she's sort of the chief O'Brien of the valiant and She's got an interest it. She's got the chief O'Brien And she's got an interesting, she's got the chief O'Brien PIP on one side and then kind of an interesting

brooch on the other side of her collar. And she takes them up to the bridge where a bunch of Starfleet cadet uniformed Starfleets, all wearing this collar brooch are finishing up their fight with the tick. They, you know, fire a full spread of torpedoes with maximum yield. Take that thing out. All ships destroyed captain. Begin rescue of the strainer crew. It's a very strange environment. It's red squad. It's a bunch of college kids working

this worship. It's the USS parents on vacation. It's a real Lord of the Tix situation. It is. We get there's something about the quality of Tim Waters, the ship's commanding officer, that that I think is able to perform like Paul Papa, which is like, he's Jasper from Jasper's Law on 90210. He's a little bit typecast as a guy with a punchable face. And he's got Ben Affleck teeth before the teeth job. And there's so much about him that is just like not right from the way that he interacts with people to the way that he like swings his command chair around like everything just seems unerred about him. Right. He's got like, he's got like, performative world readiness where he's he wants people to think of him as a 49 year old captain who's logged 20,000 hours in the chair and what he really is is a college student for all intents and purposes and uh.

Right, this is very like USS ROTC. Yeah, I wondered if the casting cast for height because Jake is so much taller than everyone else in this crew in a way that was so clear in this episode. Yeah. Like they found actors that were on the shorter side to I guess, to kind of like underscore how young they're supposed to be. Yeah. The actor who plays Ferris is the same height as Aaron Eisenberg. Wow.

Yeah. Like, and when they're together in a scene, you can really tell. Commander. Hansen. So the Captain Tim welcomes them aboard and explains that they've been field promoted. He was field promoted to Captain of the ship and in his capacity as Captain of the ship has field promoted all of the other members of Red Squad. And they've been out here for eight months prosecuting the war as though they are a ship

in Starfleet. The Captain ordered me to take command of the valiant. It's unbelievable. I think this scene is really well done when he kind of over-explains his authority and his origin story. Yeah. It feels like a guy, like we know the ship has been out for eight months or whatever. And this guy has had nothing but time to practice what he was going to say. The first time he had to explain himself and it feels very practiced.

Yeah, yeah, spoiler alert, but I'm sad that he died in this episode because I wanted to see him explain it to somebody who actually had some authority over him. Yeah. Like I wanted to agree. I think it would have been so fun to see him say it and exactly this tone of voice to Captain Cisco or Admiral Belt buckle. All right, as you wish. There is a visual language to this moment too

that caught my eye. So like Waters is sitting back in his command chair and this is a location we've been in a thousand times when a captain speaks to a subordinate leaning back in their chair, but this is the first time I remember the laptop covering up almost half of the frame. And what do we know about compositions that are created this way?

Like this is a character covering for something. This is a character with something to hide. Like this is that language being spoken. And also like that huge Starfleet Academy red squad logo on the wall is like, it is like comically big. You can't take someone seriously if they've got like a movie poster in their office and they're like an executive, you know? Yeah, yeah, he offers not a bottle of water

and he's like, so what are you working on these days? Right, right. Jake's getting fixed up in 6 Bay and Nag is getting promoted to chief engineer of the ship. And it's kind of fun that they get separated for a little while, right? Right, right. Because Jake doesn't see Nag again for a long time. And they each have very different experiences while they're apart. And it really engenders the conflict that happens between them later.

Yeah. I think one thing we maybe forgot to mention is that Jake talked to Nog a little bit about the fact that he was interested in doing a little bit of reporting on this trip to Ferengenar. Like he was interested in maybe getting a schlussi with the Grand Negus for the Federation new service. And now, like, he is, he has really got, he is onto a story that nobody knows exists. But he doesn't seem to be like in reporter mode for much of the beginning of

this episode, the temptation to, like, you know, pull out the, the pad and start taking notes, doesn't seem to get to him just yet. This is about the part in the episode when there's a lot I love about this episode, but the story really falls apart when you start to scratch the surface of like the spatial geography of things. Yeah. Because if this ship has been tasked with charting the the border of Federation space. Right.

They've been at it for eight months. All of the adults die. And then they find themselves moments away from the star base that Jake and nog just left. We're told a little later that they that they must maintain radio silence. away from the starbase that Jake and Nog just left. We're told a little later that they must maintain radio silence. Like there's so many contradictory pieces of information here.

Yeah. Well, that's the other reason that I'm sad that Captain Tim buys it is that to me, it seemed that Captain Tim had kind of made up the radio silence thing. And that he had taken the orders that were meant for the real officer that was on board the ship and assumed the responsibility of doing those orders. Do you think that's what the story is? Yeah, I think that's what the story is, but it's never said explicitly in the episode.

It's really interesting that it isn't explicit and it's better that it's not. Yeah, absolutely, because you could interpret it otherwise, too. Mr. Bucket, I have to refer to my tent state. Oh, I don't use the bucket anymore. Some chief engineers are born with warp cores, but not I guess the type of chief engineer that has a warp core thrust upon him. This is not something that you throw away. This is the other great piece of story utility in this, which is like, okay, we can reuse all the sets from the little D, but we can also have it be a convenient story element that Nog knows his way around this

type of engine. And he can like make expert suggestions to the first officer about like the the intermixed system or whatever. Have you recalibrated the lateral impulse control system? You know the intermixed system or whatever have you recalibrated the lateral impulse control system. No. What does that have to do with the injectors he's pretty rapidly field promoted and that's where he goes while Jake goes and hangs out in the mess hall. There's a euphoria to the moment where you feel like you're in a group of people that. You are either professionally or socially. Of a higher class than than yourself yeah when you're in a group of people that are either professionally or socially of a higher class than yourself. When you feel like you make it, you said the right thing at the right time and all of a sudden you're part of the club. That moment for Nog here is pronounced.

He has a solution to their warp drive problem. He's invited into a squad that he's always wanted to be in and has been ostracized from it's It's great. That's the hook like he's hooked and he will be hooked throughout the episode because of it Like he's finally where he's always wanted to be the mission is that that was you know sent on the assumption that there was There were still adults aboard to the USS valaliant is get some intel on this crazy gemheadar ship that is operating somewhere in nearby space and get the intel back to Starfleet. And they've been able to like determine the location of

this ship, but because the warp engine has been badly disabled, they've never been able to get close enough to it to complete the mission. And so with Nagabor, they can finally, they can finally get their engine going fast enough to find this ship and get a close look at it. It feels like a very crimson tide adjacent story, right? Like, except for blindly firing nuclear missiles without secondary confirmation, they've got command of a little D for as long as they choose to have it,

because of this radio silence mandate. Yeah, unlike crimson tied where the radio is broken, in this episode, the radio has been turned off unilaterally by the commanding officer. You have a watch, Don Trin. I don't know if I wish this, but it would have been interesting to see waters throw hissebo into the communication system. Yeah.

Hence, the word sabotage. For some reason, Jake is in the mess hall with the chief and he starts talking to her about where she's from, talking to her about what it's like to grow up on the moon. And she's been away from home for a long time. She speaks very poetically about what living on the moon is like and she's really homesick. She dominates this scene, this actor, who plays Collins, Ashley Brienne McDonough. Yeah. She doesn't have a lot of credits, but she's so good.

She sinks her teeth into this, like she's Charlton Heston in Wayne's world. Like, I was totally shocked by this, and I was not prepared for how seriously she monologed her experience. Dawn is so shocking on the moon. It belonged because it felt true to her character, but it also felt like it didn't belong because no one else was taking their stories as seriously as she was. Yeah, I want to know what happened with this actor because it doesn't seem like she worked that much

but she's so good. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like if Nanavis, the tour had been on set the stage, she would have been like, hey, an eight is good. Take it from me. Take it from me. You can cut these people's heads up if you go all the way to 10, like dial it back.

An engineering Nog is proposing the violation of a bunch of safety regulations in order to solve their warp speed limit problem. This is inspired by Chief O'Brien. This is what O'Brien does every day. Yeah. O'Brien has apparently broken 50 regulations to get the little D working the way it does. And Nog is working from his playbook and suddenly the command staff of this essentially

hijacked starship are concerned about following the rules. Right, but Lieutenant Commander Nog talks his way past this. What was up Right. But Lieutenant Commander Nox is way past this. What was up with him being Lieutenant Commander but having Lieutenant Pips? The Pips thing is something I thought a lot about because like all of these little kids are wearing Pips. Yeah. Like Waters is wearing the four Pips. Did he take them off of the body of his dead captain. Hahaha.

Do you just replicate the pips or are the pips unreplicatable so that you can't get stolen pip valley? Hahaha. You know, by going into Cisco's restaurant, right, getting the four-pip discount. Right, I don't think that... I feel like they've got to just be a replicator thing. One of the scenes I really love from Star Trek Picard was Rios going through all of his old Starfleet things,

and it's like a shoebox of Pips. Yeah, he had a zillion Pips. It made it seem as though the pips had a value to them. Right. It was unreplicatable. Right. And like, it seems like you get issued a whole new set of pips every time you go up a rank. It's not like if you're an Enten and you're being made a lieutenant. It's not that they just give you one more pip. It's that they give you the full two pips, right? Right.

So some pip issues in this episode. Right. Collins, who last we saw her had just been crying in the mess hall with Jake has changed venues. She's gone to a second location to cry that being the infirmary on the ship when Waters walks in and goes for the pill box. Captain Tim is raiding the ship pharmacy and we begin to understand that he's been popping some

pills to take the edge off the pressures of command. And he notices that chief Collins is having a problem. And in classic guy who has just taken some illicit drugs, why is like, are you upset about something? Fucking deal with it. There is something wildly anachronistic about pills on Star Trek. You know, why do they exist? Have we ever seen anyone take a pill on Star Trek before this? No, I can't think of a single time. This should be a hyposprae. What is he doing?

Yeah, that would be... Not all aliens keep their throats in the same place, right? Right, yeah. That would be not all aliens keep their throats in the same place, right? Right. Yeah, it would be great to see him like come in take off his shoe hyposprae between the toes Captain I had no idea Want to do it? Yeah, all the medicine isn't gummy form The next scene is Jake Cisco getting hauled into Captain Tim's Ready Room where Commander Karen wants to see his manager. Because he's gotten chief Collins very upset and they don't like him stirring the pot on their ship. They're pissed that he made Collins cry. Yeah. For some reason Jake squintes in

incredulity here. Like I love the shot reverse shotness of this moment. Yeah. He cannot believe it. It sure can. And this is another example of what you were talking about before, Ben, where like the way they shoot in black this scene makes Jake look very tall. Yeah. Shooting him from below and waters they shoot as much shorter.

They shoot him from above to emphasize this. I almost want Jake to be like, I'm three years older than you. Like, don't really control me. The second my father finds out about what you're up to, you're in a huge amount of trouble is basically the subtext of this scene. I wonder like all of the actors who play crew people on the USS Parents on Vacation are like, are good. They're good actors and I like all of them, but I wonder if they should be younger for that reason to make that difference more pronounced because there's never a point in

this episode and say for a very few that I feel like Jake is the elder of them. I never feel that way. This is the only scene that it really felt that way to me. And I think partly it's the text of the scene and partly the way it's shot because also Captain Tim is seated. So the camera is above his eye line looking down. And then the camera's kind of at the same level, but looking up at Jake.

So Jake looks like a man who is standing above a kid. Right. Jake is dismissed with great condescension, leaving Captain Tim and exo Karen together in a suggestion that they may be a couple of horny teens. Yeah. That's the feeling that I got. Yeah. I wonder why that that I got. Yeah.

I wonder why that subtext wouldn't be injected a little more. Like when Captain Tim dies, you expect Karen to super feel it in that moment. Yeah, yeah. Or maybe she's just so, so far gone at that point, so scared that it doesn't register. Yeah, Karen and I dated for a few weeks now. The only thing that gets me through are these pills. These for some reason pills. So this is when Jake and Nog finally meet back up and Nog is busting because he's got his red squad in Cygnia, he's got his extra pip. Jerry, I'm busting!

He should have two extra pip, but he just has the one extra pip. He's so excited to tell Jake about how he is now chief engineer of the USS Parents out of town. He's psyched and you can't help but feel happy for him, even though his promotion is unearned, like that's basically the main thing about Nogga's. This is what he's always wanted and he's finally gotten it.

And he's gotten this ship moving a lot faster because as they're having, like they don't quite have a long enough conversation to have Jake kind of explain how Fubar the situation is. Like Nog is definitely like let his head get gassed up a little bit by getting like a cool field promotion, but we don't even get to see them have the conflict of like maybe we should not listen to these freaks because it's red alert and they're they head up to the bridge and they found the battleship. Yeah, they're on the tail of this giant

battleship. That ship out there is twice the size of a galaxy class ship and three times as strong. That's accurate. Pretty awesome sounding. For some reason, Jake is not welcome on the bridge, and that's because he's just asking questions like he doesn't belong there. We're trying to do a job. Commander Karen puts him in his place. I don't remember anyone inviting you to the bridge. After the commercial, we get a Tim's log bringing us up to speed. They launched this probe and the data from the probe is totally

valuable. It's revealed some weaknesses in this gem-hidard battleship that would seem to be exploitable. It's a small thermal exhaust port right below the main board. And this is a pitch that Captain Tim makes to the assembled crew in the mess hall. He's like, mission accomplished, guys. We were sent out here to get intel on this thing and we've gotten it. But shouldn't we also destroy it? And the drawbacks to this plan are listed in this scene. They need to get

within 300 meters of this giant battleship in order to shoot a torpedo that is manually targeted. A precise hit will start a chain reaction which should destroy the station. The august is going to have to especially modify a torpedo taking out all the guidance stuff and put again some kind of radiation jammer. And what it'll do is exploit what they believe to be a critical design flaw in this giant, jammed our battleship. And for some reason, Jake speaks up and he says, like, this is not bullseying Wamprats, guys, like this is something that a my dad and his actual crew of actual Starfleet officers would not attempt given what the condition

of this ship. And I think you guys should for sure not do this. And Captain Tim really uses this to marshal the enthusiasm of his crew in a way that is really stunning. Like, it's almost like he wanted Jake to naysay this so that he could whip Red Squad into a frenzy by saying nothing is impossible to us. Who rules? Who rules?

Who rules? Who rules? I think the thing that really pushes Captain Tim over the edge on this plan is exo-carons-availed shot at him by comparing the weakness of this gem hit our battleship to Captain Tim's sexual prowess. It seems like they might not last that long even in a battle situation. I think Captain Tim knows what a reference to wet pasta is truly referring to.

For some reason Jake and Nug wind up in the engineering section doing surgery on a torpedo. And Captain Tim is actually watching the surveillance camera of them and listening, you know, he's like popping pills and listening into their conversation. Like every great paranoid. You know, I thought this is a great scene. Yeah. And it's getting out, right? That he's like taking, taking these pills. Jake, Jake mentions it to Nog because Jake heard from Dorian. The secret is out. Nag tries to starfleet explain Jake in this scene

as if Jake doesn't know, like what being in starfleet's all about by virtue of being Jake's this go. If I'm for some reason, Jake, am I also for some reason looking for an exit strategy at this point? I think I would be at this point. I think I would be. Yeah. This point, where's the nearest life raft? I would maybe be like stashing a few things

that I know I want with me in the nearest escape pod. If he is headed to an escape pod, he doesn't make it because when he leaves engineering, he's immediately arrested by shepherd, which is the red squadron guy we knew from Paradise Lost. He's the guy that helped Admiral Layton launch the coup attempt, right? Oh shit, yeah. You remember this guy's face? He's got the Gary Busy teeth.

He does have the Gary Busy teeth. He's got a very familiar face. Like he's been in a lot of stuff. Yeah, he's been like a background actor and a lot of stuff. I mean, Paul Popp, which and Courtney Peldon, Tim and Karen have also done a lot, and specifically a lot of like sci-fi genre stuff,

which I think is probably why I recognize the three of them, is like they pop up in a corny monster movie that's like 30 things to the right on some row on the Netflix, you know? We're like, well, wife to sleep, I'm drunk. Let's see what this dumb thing is. That's using your time, Weisler. After, for some reason, Jake is thrown into the clank. We get a montage of preparation.

And I, we're nearly love a scene like this. We're checking our weapons, we're making sure everything's ship-shaped before this battle to come. But it's during this montage that we really get a feeling that Red Squad has a diversity problem. Mm, yeah. Red Squad, red squad's got a look, doesn't it?

It really does, and it makes me get like low-key Hitler youth vibes, and I don't think that that's an accident. There's a couple of aliens, but they're crucially white aliens, you know? Yeah. And that's, that is a really weird choice. And I think that that's, you know, partly just 90s casting racism, but it's also, you know, this is a show that styled itself as a, we're breaking down barriers and telling stories

that couldn't be told on other shows. And there's no worse in Red Squad. That's a great title. Captain Waters has walked the little V and he finds himself in ten forward where Geinen asks him what he's doing. Captain Tim's like, I thought it was a tradition for for captains to walk the ship on the eve of a great battle. Kind of it's like, you're not a great captain and this is going to be a bloodbath. You're not even really a captain, captain Tim. Yeah, no, instead Captain Tim, like he gets to do all of the great

captain ship that you want. If you want to be Captain More than anything, you wanna do this on the one MC address of the crew before a big battle. He's loving this. I felt like there was some great writing in not letting him monologue too much because,

because what if he's great? What if he's like, what if he's great? You don't want him to be good at this. What if he's great as a question you ask yourself? You also ask yourself like, what if he kills this huge gem had our worship and then comes home and has to like accept the rank of Ensen

and start his career over? Like he would be, he's spoiled, right? Like he can't be, he can't be somebody's subordinate from now on because he's been off the curse of success, fighting his own war with his own warship for eight months. Yeah. It's analogous to what has happened to us with our dumb podcast where we're unhierable now. Right. Yeah. He's a, he's a loner, daddy. The gem at our battleship is pretty awesome looking. Yeah. We've seen it before, but this is the most we've seen it. And, and it's well done battle too, because they really explain what the goal is. I mean, it's like, what if the Death Star sequence from Star Wars didn't

work? You know, is basically what this posits. I love that the little V flies in the space between the spoiler and the trunk lid. On this thing. I was so worried because that one guy gets taken out by all those girders and shepherd turns around right as they're going through that gap. And it was like shepherd, look away. You're doing man. If you're a guest star in this episode and you haven't read the entire script and maybe your first shooting day, you notice like you're shooting out a sequence. There's a bunch of carts loaded up with girders. I think you have to have a bad feeling about your character.

Surviving this one because it's bangers and girders for the rest of the app. It is pretty great sequence. Girdermass murder. Yeah. And they, you know, they come around for their, for their pass on the, on the weak spot that they believe to exist. And there's a pretty great explosion in space except for when the, when the dust settles, the ship is still there, and it is still just as capable and deadly as it was before. Didn't go in. Didn't go in. Back in on the surface.

Didn't this feel to you like the first time the Enterprise went back and fought a Borg ship in that queue episode? Yeah. Like, they're just reigning torpedoes onto it. And as soon as the blast clears, it's just still there and still coming. It is fine. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

They didn't go for a close-up and show the ship like putting itself back together, which I loved about that first Borg episode. Everyone is starting to get fall and samurai here too. Totally. On the bridge. It's great. Yeah, one thing that we haven't talked about is how many panels and parts of this ship

show battle damage as they're walking around it. There's lots of scorched bits on the ship, and it's clear that they don't really know how to maintain the ship in the same way as a professional crew would. But it also falls apart even bigger than other Starfleet ships if you can believe it. And this battle culminates with the entire crew and Captain Tim getting a taste of their own girder. You know, this is a sequence that underscores an observation you made earlier, which is like

you need those little details to be equal to all of the exterior shots that we get, because the exterior shots reveal that this battleship is just fucking stomping them. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and they're like big holes getting taken out. Like as they start to list the number of whole sections that are exposed to space, it's just, you know, the ex-triars of the ship are just as exact.

Karen's like, it would be more expedient if you could just tell me which decks are still intact. The sequence where the little V is destroyed is so great. We're getting what feels like a brand new comp of this class of ship. We're getting details of panels opening up and escape pods bursting forth. We're getting those escape pods being shot and destroyed. It is ugly. Yeah, the, the gemmider are fight dirty. And, and they're, they're taking out.

They're shooting the parachuters. They're taking out the parachuters. And it's Chief Collins, Nog and Jake, like, make it into the last lifeboat. And they are the only ones that survive. Really fun nod to space balls when Nog gets into one of the escape pods without looking like back in first and he puts that that aliens arms across his lap like a seat belt. Good stuff. Yeah.

Why did they have a zoo board the USS valiant? I don't know. Great for morale. Yeah, I guess so. Unclear how long they are adrift before the little D finds them. Yeah, we don't have interiors of these ever, right? Have they ever been shot? I feel like in Star Trek First Contact,

we saw the exteriors of those pods, but I don't know if we ever saw exteriors of those pods, but I don't know if we ever saw inside one with the door open, right? No, I don't believe we have. I feel like Starfleet would have a real nice roomy escape pod, you know? Yeah, something with a fruit bowl area.

So the defiant picks up this distress call from the escape pods. They cloak and investigate, and then we get this dissolve to Ben Cisco and Jake mid conversation and what's interesting about cutting in on them mid conversation is they also cut away mid conversation in and edit I can't remember another example of on this show. Right, yeah, it feels very modern television, right? Yeah. That you come in media race and come out in media race. Yeah, interesting technique. In the infirmary, we learn that Collins has a skull fracture.

Nog's gonna be fine medically, but it's unclear if his confidence will ever be a hundred percent. Yeah. He's pretty shattered. He's got some regurts, and I think it's like a little unclear whether they're regurts surrounding, like getting his head gassed up by the glory of Red Squad and getting to participate or just regurts over the mission went not well.

This war has been going on for a while, but spending a bunch of time aboard a Starfleet ship and then having it get destroyed around us and having to make it out on a life raft, really re-centers how scary the war is. That's a great call. It takes, so often, it takes a big ship being destroyed on Star Trek to really feel the stakes of a thing. You need to lose a big pot. That's what they did. I'd believe if you're in Dr. Bishir's six

bay, you're looking very closely at the color bag that they stick on the hook for your eye for you, right? Oh, sorry. That one's for me later. The classic banana bag for someone who's dehydrated. It's not going to work.. You don't wanna see that on the hook over your bed. Collins comes to, as Jake and Nag are having, their rap session about what happened. And Jake is gonna write the story and Nag wants him to write a story about a great ship and a great crew that blew it. And Con's wakes up

it is like still a loyal member of Cult Captain Tim. It's so, I really like this moment in the app because it plays with your expectations. You're expecting a cadet to feel lucky that she's alive and changed by the experience, but the horrible truth of this moment is that she's unchanged by the experience. If he failed, it's because we failed him. She's a true believer, and that's doubly horrible because she's the one that put Jake onto the fact

that Captain Tim was struggling with addiction. Like, Captain Tim was not in his right mind and also got him and his entire crew killed and she still fully believes in him. She still believes in Jasper's law. I know you don't get that reference. I don't. Paul Papa which played the lead singer

of a band called Jasper's Law in 90210. Okay. We see that Collins has unchanged, but Nag is. Nag will be changed forever by this. He takes his red squad pin and presses it into Collins's hand to give it back. He might even have been a great man,. In the end Captain Tim sucked. That's the big takeaway. But did the episode Ben is my question, did you like it? You really want to do this. I kind of like the episode. I think you really need to extend your

suspension of disbelief around the idea that a federation ship A survived eight months of the war without any like resupply or regroup and be that it was a Federation ship that was operated entirely by cadets that didn't actually know what they were doing. But I think that there is some pretty well drawn stuff about like the hubris of adolescence and the like because it's not Lord of the Flies, right? Like it's not we revert to our inner evil when we don't have the structure of society over us. It's that like the structure of society like brought the inner evil out of Captain

Tim and because he was able to mow,mow the rest of the crew. He succeeded in this improbable fife-dom for a little while. And I think that that's a much more interesting story than Lord of the Flies in a lot of ways. And I think Star Trek is a fun and interesting place to tell a story like that. And I like a nog episode. I think that it's an interesting and good episode to test nog's metal as a character. And Jake's, to be honest. Yeah.

How about you? I'm with you on the need to suspend a great deal of disbelief to enjoy the app. I think both of us were able to in order to get there with it. But I could have gone for a little more, Lord of the Flies. I could have gone for a little more kid finds his parents gun. Like that's what the little V is. It is a weapon and it also represents freedom.

And I don't know that you could get 40 teenagers together on a ship like this and expect them to, to a person be all about the mission. Some of those kids miss their parents. Ben, you know, some of those kids want to fuck. Not all of those kids are going to be chanting red squad in the commissary. And this would have made a really interesting three episode arc of experiencing a crew that has had responsibility thrust upon them, start to fray a little bit.

And I'm not asking for like order of the hand, you know, burn barrels in a hallway situation on the little V, but a little bit of dissension, I think, would have made it, I think would have been some nice spice to the thing. Especially like the place where I was looking for that most was between Tim and Karen. Yeah. You get the suggestion that there may be more of a relationship that's just then is just professional there, but where it's unclear in what direction that may be. And I think that's interesting stuff that goes unexplored. I think that if Tim and Karen had fucked, that would have been interesting. If N Tim and Karen had fucked, that would have been interesting. If Nog and Collins had fucked, there would have been even more weight to that moment at

the end when he says that Captain Tim was a bad captain. I agree with you, Ben, sexualized Nog. That's what we need to do on the show. That is what the show was missing. You know what I liked? Maybe most of all in the set? The new cadet uniforms are bad ass. Yeah, they're good. I feel like they should be the main character of the set. I like that they're not black, that they're like pewter. Yeah, and you can kind of like the black uniforms, they just like don't work that well on video, I think. Yeah. You know, like they, they, they, they just disappear. And, and they don't work that well on film either. Like the, like when we saw the, like, original deep space

nine uniforms in the one Star Trek film that they were in, Star Trek generations, they looked bad then too, you know. Yeah. This is a show that's trying to find its way costume wise, I think, at this point in time. Well, do you want to find your way to some priority one message, Adam? Sure do. Priority one message from Starfleet coming in on Secured Channel. You need a supplement on that.

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I don't know if Mark is Ari's side piece. I don't believe that's the suggestion. I... I think... my guess is that Ari meant to say, thank you for always being at my side. Right. But, but whatever it is, the feeling is very strong between them. Ari is also a person that is prone to having bad bit moments.

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I thought number three in this message is which term is more cringey? Treknology or Star Tech? Oh, it's pretty cringey there. Well, it's pretty cringey. I think Star Tech is worse, because it doesn't, it doesn't even get you to what we're talking about. Did you ever have the Motorola Star Tech phone? I never had a flip phone. I was just thinking about that the other day.

I never had a phone with a hinge on it, Adam. That was my first cellular phone, and I got it because that's a boy. That was its name. All right. Ben, I used tuition money on it. That was, that was dumb. I wouldn't recommend that. So yeah.

I think we can get your first cell phone in college. I did. Wow. I never had a major. I skipped major on the evolution of teenager dumb. I had a, um, an alphanumeric page before I had a cell phone and I had a cell phone when I was in high school. See, I thought not having a major would give me a greater sense of freedom, freedom being a prized aspect of being a teenager, but I didn't really leave the house much, so.

Yeah. Didn't really matter. I had that major thought I was cool until no one paged me on it. I didn't really leave the house much, so. Yeah. Yeah. Didn't really matter. I had that pager thought I was cool until no one paged me on it. Right. Yeah, you get the bill with like the list of incoming pages and there's just not in there. Just my mom's phone number.

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Yeah, I know we look like humans. We're actually, we're podcasters. We are podcasters, so it's different. Have you heard of Ono Ross and Kerry? We investigate spirituality, claims of the paranormal, stuff like that. And you have a boat and say the world's gonna end, so seem like something for us to check out.

We would love to be on the boats. We came two by two. What do you think? Only Ross & Kerry, available on MaximumFun.org. Hey Adam. Did you find yourself a drunk Shemota? Yeah, I don't know if this person has a name, but during the montage of readiness, there is an unfortunate ECU of a crew member that I'm just going to call the Zitty crewman. I did catch that.

And it's hard to think of another shot slash crew person in a future hundreds of years from now, which has the complexion that I am so familiar with by looking in the mirror. Look at that guy. He's still in Starfleet. You wonder, right? Like can't a dermal regenerator sort you out? W slash R slash T acne? I mean, what kind of perfect future is this? If it can't do that, it may be, it may be both thrilled and sad to see Zitty Krumann. So It made me, it made me both thrilled and sad to see Zitty Krumin. So they are my drunk Shimoda. What about you, Ben?

My drunk Shimoda is another unnamed Krumin. There's only a couple of aliens in the crew. One of them is a Vulcan. He's like one of the few people on the crew that seems to be like roughly similar height to Jake. He's way in the back in that scene when Captain Tim comes in and says, we're red squad and we can do anything. And everyone starts chanting red squad, red squad, red squad. I don't like that moment. He's the only one that doesn't. He's just standing in the back,

not saying anything. He's the only one that doesn't. He's just standing in the back, not saying anything. He's clearly embarrassed by what's happening. There's our dissenting opinion storyline that we were hoping for. Yeah. I mean, that's the one thing I love about this episode is that you can feel all of the interesting other stories that are available to be told, you know, it leaves us wanting more.

Yeah, and most of the time that is the mark of a episode that we like. Absolutely. Well, do you wanna see it if the next episode will be one that we also like, Adam? I sure hope it is. We'll be able to find out by going to gok.bizslashgame where a game of buttholes will of the profits awaits. And currently we are on Square77 on the

porch of an nth degree slash extensive research episode. Oh boy, that's the, that's, that's probably the most controversial kind of episode we've got at him. Just after that is the no notes caught in the nebula, Ep and I like how close those two squares are. They seem mirror related. Well, the next episode is season six, episode 23, profit and lace. When Grand Mega's Zach is deposed, Quark poses as a female to help him regain his power.

All right. You're required to learn as you play, role. All right, I'm gonna get ready and roll this thing. I'm gonna need your help, Adam, will you blow on these bones? Oh, lemma read! Oh boy, Adam, we are caught in the nebula for the next episode. Cool. We landed on that frayed riker, the beardy messed up hair riker of a future that we dare not contemplate.

This is kind of a throwback for us. I feel like the early apps of Greatest Gen were with very few notes. It was just you and I shooting the breeze about an episode we had just watched. So I'm expecting that kind of vibe here. Yeah. And that'll be fun. Can't wait. And we'll take our leave here. What do we need to tell the people?

Well, I think there's a bit of news that we have yet to announce on the show. It's that the greatest generation and the greatest discovery have a Twitter handle of their own. It's at greatest trek. Yeah, follow at greatest trek on Twitter and Instagram for all the official updates from the show. Do we want to announce who is running those accounts?

Adam. Oh yeah, we should. Much like Nog was field promoted to a rank he didn't deserve. Unlike that, Adam. Yeah, unlike that, we have field promoted Bill Tilly to the rank of social media. Lieutenant, he will be running the greatest trek Twitter account as well as the greatest trick Instagram feed. He's promised not to inundate those feeds with only his great comedy trading cards which are probably the ways that that most greatest gen friends of DeSoto would know Bill Tilly. He's been a friend of the show for

a long, long time. Yeah. And we're happy to have him work with us on this aspect of our show. We sure are. We're trying to pay him a fair rate for maintaining those accounts for us. If you're in a position to help us cover the cost of that, head to Maximumfund.org slash join to support the show on a monthly basis because this only gets more more expensive to do. It's right. Music on the show was created by another friend of DeSoto Adam Ragusia who has since left us in the dust for his wildly popular cooking YouTube channel. You can find him on YouTube. At Adam Ragusia, he will teach you how to cook anything. There's not anything that guy won't cook.

He knows all the cooking techniques. He taught me how to make a great ice cream at home without the use of an ice cream machine. About that. What flavor was your ice cream? I made a strawberry ice cream because they had really nice local strawberries at my grocery store the other day that were just super super flavorful and And I made a I made a nice cream out of them. It's been a highlight of my week eating that ice cream

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