The Greatest Generation - They Found Him in Berkeley, They Left Him in Berkeley (DS9 S3E11)

Episode Date: November 5, 2018

When a freak transporter accident disappears Commander Sisko, Dr. Bashir and Dax, Chief O’brien is a little concerned. But when the away team appears at a critical time in the past, the death of a crucial historical figure has them scrambling to save the timeline. Is Brenner Information Systems a part of the Terminator movie universe? What’s the street value of a clown costume? How do Ferengi eulogize each other? It’s the episode that has a really cool tribal armband tattoo that we’d love to show you.

Priority 1 message from Starfleet coming in on Secured Channel. Hey friends of Disodo. Before today's episode, we just wanted to take a moment to talk about the historic labor actions being taken by writers and actors in the American Film and Television industry. If you're a fan of the work done by the people who make Star Trek, we hope you'll join us in standing in solidarity with the folks who actually bring these adventures to life. Over the past several years, the AMPTP, the organization that represents the American Film and Television Production Studios, have reduced the profit from movies and TV going to workers. And in so doing,

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I'm Adam Pranica. I'm Ben Harrison. How you doing today Adam? I think you know if we were passing each other by the water cooler. Uh huh. I would say it's one of those days Ben and then I would just not even break stride. I would just keep walking.

And I'd be like, did you see Seinfeld last night? Is it like this in your city and that the syndicated Seinfelds they show are basically only one of the 16 that the local network has bought. Yeah, it seems like there's a very limited number that they run in syndication for some reason. I don't know. I feel like we're getting stinky car like twice a week now. We don't receive any broadcast channels where I live at all. Don't you have one of those antennas? It doesn't make any sense.

Like we have one of those antennas. Like there's a hill on one side of our house, but it's not a clueding like where broadcasts would be coming from. Those are the Beverly Hills, right? That's what you're referring to. No. Black gold. Texas T.

Adam, it sounds like you're having a bit of a day. And one of the ways I like to unwind at the end of a long, annoying day is by blowing up people's spots and defeating them in contests. Should we go to war with each other? Oh, that sounds great. I think war would make me feel better, right? Almost hell-go-nd war take me away.

Hahaha. We're war. There's been no formal declaration of war. And this took your brand of some luck. That nonsense is centuries behind us. War! On the war! Do you want to you do to, uh, do you want to, you do mirror mirror versus mirror mirror war? Yeah, that's very appealing to me.

Well, I will have mirror mirror war war. Yeah. So, uh, just to be clear, these cards are the expansion set for the Star Trek customisable card game. And, uh, like a lot of the cards we open on the show, there are occasionally rare cards and like collector cards that include like pieces of uniform or holograms or whatever, so we're always on the lookout for those.

Is that gonna happen in customisable card game? Yeah, I'm reading the back of the package. It says, that's all part of the fun. Shit dog. I never know what you're gonna get in these packs. We usually play best out of five, but, I mean, this is war, and sometimes things don't go according to plan. Yeah.

I don't take a dump without a plan. Hmm. I'm ready to flip. Me too. Three, two, one. I'm a rebel interceptor. It's a fighter used by Terran Rebels in the Mirror Universe. 3, 2, 1, I'm a rebel interceptor. It's a fighter used by Terran Rebels in the Mirror Universe, typically stolen from the

Bajurans, Smiley Enhanced, and commanded this one. That's Chief O'Brien, right? Yeah, that's Smiley. Smiley O'Brien! It's got a range of 6 plus X Weapons of 8 and shields of 6 my card does not have any measurables Ben because it is probably impossible to measure. I have the bejure and wormhole itself. Whoa Pretty big but hole here You can I mean this is all of the verbatiras is having to do with the game.

The stuff I don't understand. Do you think that the dominion are just total peaches in the in the Mary Universe? Just real sweet sweet sweet people? They're just flying around the galaxy drinking milkshakes. That's all they're doing. They put the gem in gemheadar. Sure do. What do you think, Ben?

Um, tough call. Your thing goes inside, my thing. Yeah. So what's the, where's the power in that? I mean, also, I feel like your thing could destroy, right? Because it's got a, it's got profit aliens in it. You get off the rails in that thing thing you're gonna hit a wall and explode Get it you could shoot a handful of torpedoes out of mine here's though

It's true. We'd only take a few to destroy it Hey, no, you want to call that a draw? Yeah, I think I think that's fair. All right flip the next one over it 3 2 1 then I have T-vor He's a he's a Klingon science officer. Uh, he works for the Klingon Cardassian Alliance. This is a Scientist Air Act noir. He finds the station, Rife with gossip, backstabbing, and treachery.

But, he likes it that way. That's his idea. He's sort of a Klingon Vanderpomp, business. He's got an integrity of 5, a cunning of 7, and a strength of 7. There's T-Vore. This is another interesting matchup. My card is for an agonizer. The pain-inflicting device, developed by the Terran Empire,

fear of punishment drives crew members to maintain maximum efficiency at all times, and there's alertness, loyalty, and obedience. You and I both know Ben, that the Agonizer booth trumps T4. Yeah, I mean, this is the, this is the Agonizer that's like belt mounted. Oh. But, uh, but yeah, anybody would, uh, would take that over T4 if they wanted one they wanted to win a fight with, right? The convenience of taking Agony on the go.

That's what you want. The Agonyzer Walkman. Now the Agonyzer is wireless. Alright, let's go to our next card. Alright. Three, two, one. I have a character named Gant. It's a medical character,

typical member of the Shikar Resistance Cell. Cared for the mortally wounded Kira Taban, now a part of Kira Narisa's memories of her father's death. Integrity of six, cunning of six, strength of seven. And this dude is pretty handsome looking. He's kind of like a pejorant, Patrick Bateman thing going on.

Is he wearing gant brand clothing? Well, there's two T's at the end of this particular gant. Oh, sure. So they don't run afoul of a copy, right? He might be wearing gant brand clothing i can't see if there's a button on the back of his collar or not haha it's one of their signature signature elements of the gant rugger line of line of products haha

oh i think uh i think you might have me be. Ben, I have Aramax. Aramax is a Cardassian medical representative in the Mirror universe. He strives to be noticed without raising the eye of security chief Gerek. But he has done neither thus far. I see those hype beasts lined up around the corner for Aramax sometimes. Right? When the foot locker gets a new ship in it.

Hahaha. Hahaha. Such a sneaker head. Yeah. Man. Hahaha. I think it's two to nothing you. Yeah, this is not doing anything to help your bad day.

My mood has vastly improved. It's starting the game. Let's flip over a fourth card. OK. 3, 2, 1. Ben, I've got Talok. He is a Klingon security man. He has served for four years as a bodyguard in the house of Duras.

He took a position aboard Terec North to escape the unpredictable demands of Lursa and Batur. Well, I mean, I'm glad they mentioned that it was the Mirror Universe been because I don't think that's changed. Yeah. They're unpredictable in both universe-eye. Are they like chaotic evil and one and chaotic good in the other? Or something like that?

As long as window pane decolatage remains constant. It's all that matters to me. What do you got? I got a D7 class Klingon Battle Cruiser. From the picture this looks to be an original series model. It says Klingon Battle Cruiser Circa 2267. Some were provided to the Romulan Star Empire in exchange for cloaking technology.

It's got a range of six, weapons five, and shields of five. Kind of a weak sauce ship. What a pile of garbage. Yeah, a real hoopty. Something that John Roderick would get for free and then drive around until it broke down on the side of the road. And then he would just walk away from it because it would be impossible to connect him

to it. Yeah. I don't know Adam, I think anybody that works that closely with Lersa and Batour and also has the good sense to get away from them. Probably could kick the ass of this ship. Pretty smart. I mean, he has a strength of nine. That's stronger than that ship, huh? Yeah, no kidding.

I mean, in Cardboard, I think it really comes down to the strength number. Yeah, you could punch that ship and break it in half. Like a karate man chopping through blocks of ice. Uh-huh. Adam, do you want to flip over a fifth card? Yeah, what are we at? You have two, I have one and there's one tie. Yeah. Okay. Three, two, one. Stolen cloaking device. Regent Wurf detained Zick in the Mirror universe demanding a cloaking device as ransom to save

their negus, quirk and rom stole one from a Klingon ship, General Martak. Was not pleased. It was just a kind of a beepity-boopity object sitting on a lit-up panel. No evidence of a dongle or not a dongle. The thing in my card could not fit on a tabletop been because I have a galore class starship. Whoa! This is a typical Cardassian warship in the Mirror universe of a type 3 designation. And it's part of the Klingon Cardassian Alliance fleet, so you know it's good, right? This is just some of the best Cardassian Alliance fleet so you know it's good right? Those are some of the best Cardassian cruisers.

We've mentioned it before and I'll mention it again. Little weird the Cardassians have ships in the shape of their symbol. Yeah. That's what this is. What if the Borg's ships were like that hand symbol? Oh no! Another Borg hand dropping out of warp speed. Target phasers on the the phalanches tell

Admiral Hanson to talk to the hand the fight does not go well Picard we're getting the shit slapped out of the I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. is Mr. Quark. Mr. Quark? Yeah, you might be familiar with his apart. Please. Quark was my father. Call me the Reverend Dr. Quark. He's the bartender who pretends to work for the Alliance.

Quark secretly helps Terence Laves escape from Teraknor. He's the Harriet Quarkman of DS9. My card is a dilemma. Much like the dilemma of including my weird Quark Harriet Tevman portman to in this episode. Yeah, will we leave that in the episode or not? Who knows? I mean, it's not like there's anything we can do to stop the tide of

concern trolls that show up in our menchies every day. Yeah, that are dumped into our frozen yogurt. Toppings. Gotta pick those gummy bears out. This dilemma is Kill Van show of force. Aliens from the Andromeda galaxy demonstrated their power to Captain Kirk by distilling two crew members to their chemical components crushing a container instantly killed the victim. Wow. What was this called?

Kill Van show force, and it's like a guy in one hand holding like kind of a It's like a guy in one hand holding like kind of a Doe decahedron that looks like it was made out of pumice maybe The other hand perhaps the crushed remains of a similar Object and there's like sand pouring out of it. So after he's killed these people he can go pumice his corns Yeah, yeah, he wants to exfoliate and his corn. Yeah, he wants to exfoliate and then he picked this up at bath and body works on his way to the Milky Way galaxy from Andromeda. Well, I doff my mirror universe cap to you. I think I think that one's going to be a winner. You think that's a winner?

I think that beats Quark, TVH. It's mighty charitable if you say. You get Quark inside one of those Dodecahedrons or whatever. He's going to get crushed like anyone else. That's mighty charitable if you say. You get quark inside one of those dodecahedrons or whatever. He's gonna get crushed like anyone else. He's gonna be sold to the highest bidder if he was in one of those dodecahedrons. He's gonna be a puck when he's dead and this seems like a contraption that could, that could puckify him. Do you think that when they're reading funeral rights at a forangi funeral somebody says ashes to ashes pucks to pucks?

That was a really great moment. Yeah, that's the kind of insightful question you can expect me to ask here on the greatest generation. Deep Space now. Question you can expect me to ask here on the greatest generation deep space and every for Rengi Eulogy someone has to mention the great Wayne Retski quote You miss a hundred percent of the shots you don't take Good win Ben. I feel great Especially to gloat over over you you think our luck gets much better as we as we pivot in the episode today? Did you think it might Adam?

You want to talk about this one? Yeah, let's talk it out. I think we have to. We have to talk about deep space 9 season 3 episode 11. Past tense part one. It's a pun on the word tense. Is it so tense! Do you realize how incredible this is? No, of course you don't.

I don't know when this became policy, but I prefer my cliffhangers not to be telegraphed with a Part 1 appendage to the title. Yeah. Why don't you give me some dun dun dun at the end? Yeah, surprise me with it. Yeah, the defiant has rolled up on Earth for some conferencing. And they're talking about all of the relatives

that might be there and the ways in which Earth is disappointing on a watercolor level, actually. It's one of those things, guys. Like, you don't go over to somebody's house and tell them you don't like their rug or whatever. If you ask me, this could be a little more purple. It's as if the federation are a blue bodies of water only club.

Ha, ha, ha. I just, I just think Kira and Dex are real assholes not to bite their tongues about this. You know who, who lowkey flies a line up in here under the glove is O'Brien saying that he based an entire career out of hating the formality of fancy dinners. He's like, thanks but no thanks. That's why I stayed an enlisted man. They don't expect me to show up for these formal dinners.

Cool way to turn your career into a cul-de-sac, O'Brien. Like, nice one. Like, he goes real class warrior on them, in a way that is like, pretty outside of what we normally see in Trek. Like, nobody is ever like lording their lack of responsibility over anybody anybody typically. Maybe he went too far when he was on the Enterprise and that was why Thomas Reichert tore into him on the Defiant in the last episode.

Like, I know your feelings on officers versus enlisted men, O'Brien. There's nothing to say to you, O'Brien. I think you know why. Well, this is an episode of Deep Space Nine, so we have to have Quark appear in it because he is in the main cast and, you know, we can't just let Armin Shimmerman take a fucking break from having all that loaf on him. Yeah, enjoy your eight hours of makeup for your three minutes of screen time. It's really three minutes cut in half because, you know, half the time they're cutting back from the view screen to Cisco.

Do you think he reads a script and he's like, are you fucking kidding me? There's like half a page of dialogue here. Why? Can it just me a voice call? The crew have showed up at Earth to kind of brief the brass on the dominion situation. And Quark is doing the Negus favor.

The Negus, of course, played a little bit of a part in keeping the dominion thing down to a low simmer. And is now calling that favor in because a family member of his has been arrested. And Quark is for some reason the message boy, I do owe him a favor. He thinks so too. Yeah, if you're going to be at City Hall anyway, why don't you go across the hall and see

if you can't fix this. Quark makes a reference to Devrin III in his comments, which is familiar, Ben, that's the area of space where the time butthole appeared in the last episode of TNG. Remember that, the Devrin system? Oh, really? Yeah, I remember that. So I guess no damage done over there. Yeah.

Devrin 3. Doing great. The fun button on this scene is Cisco quoting chapter and verse of the rules of acquisition to quark. So apparently he now has the rules of acquisition memorized and this really stuns quark, fun little quark ice to camera. And then we are into the process of beaming down to earth. You get to see the defiance, transport transport room, I think for the first time. It's a real tiny one. It's the size of a barrel with suspenders on it.

It's really not much there. It seems like a chuffel Brian might be a little rusty on work in the transport. But according to our sensors, they never materialize at the destination. They're just... gone. All the Mr. Butterfingers! Got a little loose with the annular confinement, wouldn't you say? You gotta confine that annular. Anual.

Is it annular confinement or annular confinement? Ankillis or... Well, how about that annular? So, sit in in for ring shaped? I think we could have guessed that. If you get like a like a like an insect bite, you might have an annular patch on your arm. Sure.

Or if you like doing it annular. Yeah, so, uh, could potentially be a problem because they lost track of them. Like there's no corresponding appearance by the away team down on earth. We cut right away to where Cisco and Bashir have ended up. I mean, it appears that they arrived somewhere. Yeah. And that place is San Francisco, but it's not the San Francisco that they're familiar with.

They are in the tenderloin or close by. Yeah, and they're getting kind of harassed by a couple of guards who are wielding the kinds of shotguns that that Muldoon tried to fight Velociraptors with in Jurassic Park. They kind of look like fascist ghost busters. And Ben, it's one of the great that guys. It's Dick Miller. Yeah. I love Dick Miller.

Yeah, he was the, we talk a lot about Dick Miller in our Donors only episode on the film Gremlins. Yeah, he's one of the greats. He's the super, super jingoistic tractor driver guy. You got to watch off on the farm as ghostly plant Gremlins in a machinery. I imagine like because TV shoots on such a compressed schedule, they probably just gave him the direction.

Act like that guy you were in Gremlins. That's your motivation direction. Act like that guy you were in, Gremlins. That's your motivation. All right, that guy you were in, Gremlins, but he has the gun that Muldoon tries to fight velociraptors with in Jurassic Park. Digwillers like say no more. Got it. That guy's a pro. A love director that really knows how to talk to me.

Yeah, yeah. It's not giving me a line reads. He's just, you know, he's telling me my motivation and letting me explore the character. He respects me as an artist, and he knows my work. But she and Cisco are there without their combat. Yeah, every bit of metal has disappeared off their uniforms in a way that does not exactly go explained initially, but we don't really have much time because

they're getting hassled for their papers, please, and they don't have papers. So off they go with the authoritized, and the thing that we're leaning against looks to me like a subway entrance, and so the camera kind of pans down into the underground and we find that DAX materialized right next to them, but like a floor down. And she is still unconscious having not been roused by the barrel of a shotgun. This is the first of several scenes where we see how things are displayed in this time period? This is the year 2024. And did you see that all of the fonts are the Apple font from the original Macintosh

computer? Yeah, and like they used it on the original iPod too. Yeah, so it was all very familiar in that way in a fun kind of way. Yeah. They did quite a bit more graphic design to like build this world than Star Trek has traditionally done. Like that sign you're referencing is the subway tunnel and they've got like subway lines that are, you know, don't necessarily correspond to Bart, the existing medium range train that operates

in San Francisco. So I think it's a really a really nice, efficient way to give dimensionality to this version of the future. Yeah, I wish we saw that train. It would be great if it was the same Bart train that we know today. But just like super rundown. Well, I mean, yeah, I think we both said the same part, rain that we know today. But just like super rundown. Well, I mean, yeah, I think we both said the same thing. Go to Kotlin.

The Kotlin. Go to Kotlin. So. A good Samaritan finds Dax at the bottom of the stairwell she is. And not just good, but handsome as well. Yeah, he's got real David Bowie vibes, does he? Yeah, and we'll come to find not just good and handsome, but also rich.

The trifecta. You usually have to pick two. I love how he doesn't notice her spots until like 20 minutes later where really that should be the first thing that he sees. Yeah. Instead, he just notices her manner of dress. Yeah. And he's like, well, why don't you come with me? You can use the computer in my office to get some ID because if you don't have ID, it's your fucking ass in this time and place. She's also just like way quicker on the uptake than Cisco and Bashir. Yeah. Like Cisco and Bashir, while they have shotguns pointed in their nose, they're like, this is strange.

And she's like, oh yeah, I must have misplaced my papers. Thank you, kind sir. Eight lifetimes of street smarts is what this equals. You know? They don't mention that that's a part of her deal. They just let her act as if. I did get a little creeped out by a choice that this actor made when they leave the subway station, which is that he grabs her forearm very firmly and walks her to his office.

Like it made me think that they were telegraphing something like horrible was about to happen to her, you know? I sure felt that way. I mean, he is Chris Brenner. I'm Chris Brenner. Brenner Information Systems. You know, Interface, Operations, Net Access, Channel 90. That Chris Brenner. The Chris Brenner? Holy shit. He's like the Bill Gates of Brenner Information Systems.

When does Brenner Information Systems become self-aware and begin judgment day? It's my question. Oh man, I'm going to Jackie and Laura you an amazing photo of Jim Metzler, the actor who played Chris Brenner. Please do. present day Jim Metzler is Has a real fun look at him. Oh Wow, he did you just send me a picture of Robert plans His long long locks Adam Wow, he looks like a friend of the kind kind Yeah, he does. You may be sitting in front of a marijuana plant in this picture. They found him in Berkeley, they left him in Berkeley.

This guy tries to make the case, like, once he gets daxed back into his apartment, he's like, oh yeah, those spots. I too was a man with a tattoo once and then goes on to describe a Mayori full sleeve arm tattoo we used to have. This is the 90s dunking on the 90s. This is another technology that Star Trek figured out before the rest of us was we're going to look back on the 90s and really make fun of every white dude that had a tribal tat.

The script was written by Robert Hewitt Wolf and I imagine like Robert Hewitt Wolf has a son named Scott who just recently got this tattoo and he is like turning to the screen and making fun of that life choice. You'll never get a square job, Scott. You give the Hewitt wolf a bad name. So back on the D, O'Brien and Kira are puzzling through this transporter problem, and they're saying that, start of late, is saying like, you didn't do, you didn't beam anybody anywhere. And they kind of hit on the idea that the cloaking device and the defiant may have had something to do it. Do it because the hull is impregnated with something called cronoton particles. Yeah, those are the particles from Star Trek First Contact.

And like that is a line basically read by Jonathan Frakes in that scene, that we dunked on quite a bit during our live show tour about first contact, like they bring the viewer up to speed with time travel using three lines of dialogue. Yeah. Sensor show, Chromatic Particles emanating from the sphere, creating a temporal vortex time travel. I don't know whether this is a good character moment or a bad character moment for Kira and O'Brien in saying that neither of them display any kind of grief. I mean, the scene is not pregnant with stress in the way that, oh my god, I beam these people

away and now they're gone. Kind of should. You could, on the one hand, speak to their like sober professionalism that you'd want in this moment, but also, like I think it's okay to be extremely freaked out by this. Yeah, I think this is a Brian having a little bit too much enterprise privilege that is going unchecked. Like, anytime something like this happens on the enterprise, it is going unchecked. Like anytime something like this happens on the enterprise,

it is like snap your fingers and solve the problem situation because you got Jordy LaForge there to help you puzzle through it. Where's your Jordy now, smiley? What we get for the rest of the episode are three storylines. We've got the mystery on the D. We've got the story as it's unfolding for Cisco and Bashir and we've got what DAX is going through and they are all very different, tonally.

Yeah, Bashir and Cisco are in a heap of shit and what they are being taken to by these Jean-Darm is, I think meant to be modeled off kind of like a Warsaw ghetto type of idea. It's a walled-in part of San Francisco. It is called the Sanctuary Zone that is, you know, tenement buildings and, you know, throngs of people and, you know, throngs of people and you know food rationing and they're kind of being checked in because their identities can't be verified and therefore the the police just assume them to not be able to get gainful employment and be

active members of society and This is a this is an idea that's arisen a couple of times throughout history the last person I heard advocate for it was John Roderick when he told me about his Ziggurat homelessness plan. Sure. That was not something he campaigned on directly. Yeah, yeah. That was the other shoe was going to drop when he sees power. Sure. But yeah, they get shown through like an armor door

and into kind of a DMV like environment where they're giving numbers and scanned in and told the wait. It's a real shit hole. It's like burn barrel level shit hole happening in here. It's a heady mix of poverty and mental illness and an anger. It's like squalor and garbage in a way that is like every underpass of the 101 freeway near my house. The Dick Miller character is growing increasingly frustrated by Bashir and Sisko's lack of understanding and how things work.

I sit down, shut up, and fill out the forms. If you've got any problems, don't come to me with them. And so that's going to be a going conflict throughout their storyline as they're being processed. Back on the ship, O'Brien has figured out that some piece of microscopic singularity passed through the transporter at just the right moment. And it's not that Bichier, Cisco, and DAX were sent to some different place, but that they were sent to some different time. And that time is probably centuries different from their current time. So that's a relief, right?

It seems like they've got something to go on. They're gonna potentially have a way to work back through the system and figure out where they went, but they might not be able to be accurate. And so the plan that they kind of come up with as a group, him and Odo and Kira is all pick like five likely time periods and send people back with track orders and see if we can find them.

I love this plan. I wish we got a whole season of this search, like bottle episodes for every time period. That would be great. The most expensive season of search, right, ever. They're just constantly doing that thing from first contact or they head to the transport room and say computer appropriate

garments for 21st century. It's so great. What are you doing now? Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, there to be us totally ignorant of this time period. And the idea is that they're budding up against a watershed moment in world history. They are in San Francisco a couple days before the beginning of what are referred to as the nachos bell riots. A delicious mixture of tortilla chips, queso, carne asada, and sour cream, guacamole, and salsa. Delicious. When that tenderloin taco bell ran out of rafried beans that day, all hell broke loose. No, but the idea of these brutally enforced ghettos being something that polite society tolerates because they kind of sweep a social problem under the rug.

It's about to boil over it and like the poor people in San Francisco are going to riot and rise up and the actions of somebody named Gabriel Bell who heroically make sure that the riots do not result in the wanton deaths of any of the guards or staff of this ghetto will inspire political change. And people will reject the sanctuary zones as a solution to a problem. And in fact, humanity will start to kind of get on the path of the post-scarcity future that the people in the Federation enjoy. I love what this episode does with this setup

because you're thinking, oh man, I can't wait to meet Gabriel Bell. This guy sounds amazing. But the foreshadowing of this, with all of this front loading of his biography is that like, oh, well, if we're finding all of this out about Gabriel Bell right now, what are the chances that he will be showing up on the scene to have the opportunity to like tell his own story?

Right. Probably not that good. Right. Yeah. So they also start peppering in the idea of that they're being concerned over like contaminating the timeline, like they know things about history and could potentially rewrite it by accidentally intervening

and like that's down to like the doctor wants to like help a suffering kid that they find in a hallway, but the commander is not sure that even that is acceptable because if he like saves a life, what if that life he saves turns out to have a major historical impact? It's like the Ashton Kutcher movie Butterfly effect. Whoa! It's exactly like that. There's a fair amount of teaching the viewer in this app and one of the conduits for that is the social worker that gives us and basherants go the low down on how these sanctuary cities work. Yeah, and she's kind of like that. She's in that weird position of being a bureaucrat

that is employed by and therefore sort of complicit in the Sanctuary Zone program, but also doesn't love it and doesn't necessarily approve of the logic of it. She's clearly not evil. She clearly has, feels a lot of compassion for these people and everyone else, but like she's in a system that she can't change. I hate it, but that's the way it is. The economic pressures on a character like this are such that if she doesn't have a job,

then she is in the thing that she disapproves of. So it's one of those horrible catch-22s that some people find themselves in where like just to keep their head above water, they have to kind of compromise on their own values. She's not such a good person that she doesn't use the slang of the time against gimmews, which are people looking for jobs in a place to live, or dims, which is the term of art for the mentally ill. I try not to use them, but it's a bad habit.

Not a great look by the social worker in her use of these terms. She traps a lot of G-bombs, a lot of D-bombs. I feel, I mean, you should probably cut those out, Ben. I don't want the concern troll is coming out for me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I just wanted to say I love the show. I've listened to every episode, but your use of the term dim

is incredibly problematic. My friend is dim and there's nothing he can do about that. And she also warns them about another category of sanctuary dwellers, ghosts, who are basically just, you know, opportunists who beat people up and take their food ration cards. And she seems to have, like, despite being, you know, right up against it, physically, a pretty naive understanding of how the Sanctuary Zone works, because she says, like, you know, there's plenty of buildings, so you should have no problem finding a place to sleep. And that is not in fact true at all. They get in there and every building has a tough dude standing on the stoop, you know, threatening people away from it. She's the customer service operator who's like reading from the script with how to fix a certain tech problem. Speaking of tech problems, TX has been trying to raise Cisco and Bashir

on their communicators whenever she's had some alone moments from Bill Gates or whatever's name is. You mean Chris Brenner from Brenner Information Systems? You know, interface operations net access channel 90. That Chris Brenner. Yeah, she's not able to to reach them obviously. He's been looking into like where they might be like they're looking at hospitals and trauma centers and stuff like that. But he puts her up in a hotel room for a few nights and he says, like, hey, there's only one set for like my life in this episode, this office. So I'm having a party in it later. Do you want to come?

And she's like, cool. Yeah, I'll come back to this one set. How they use resources in this episode is a bit of a question mark for me because in times arrow they did such a great job with giving data even the smallest amount of backstory with like how he would be able to get close or a hotel room or whatever like with a poker game but you get the idea that Chris Brenner of Brenner information systems is wealthy enough to you, comp her a hotel room for a couple of nights. Right. But like, her clothing and her, everything she gets later, we don't know how she gets. I wanted the montage where he's sitting on the round couch thing and then she comes out

in a bunch of different outfits and he like shakes his head at the first five or six. Right. And she comes out in a mini skirt tights and a high waisted jacket and he nods his head and like gives her the finger guns and they go to the party. That would have been great. We know how Cisco and Bashir get their ordinary clothes. They trade those stoop tuffs for them. They're like, hey, we want to get up on the roof of this building.

They're like, well, you don't have anything to trade. They're like, all right, I guess we'll go look somewhere else. And then they're like, wait a minute. And then it's just smash cut to Bashir and Cisco putting like wearing the clothes of those guys. That's another scene I would have wanted to see, like them getting out of their jumpsuits and like handing them through the curtain

to the stoop-tuffs and then having the jackets and stuff passed back to them. We're told that they look like clowns. People use that word specifically. Yeah. I have a hard time imagining there's any value to their uniforms at all. So why would they want to be traded for? Here's the thing, Adam. Sometimes when you're in a dangerous place, you know, like if

you're a kid, red in the New York City subway in the 80s and you're wearing a polo jacket and really nice Nike's, like it's sort of sending a statement like I can have and defend this polo jacket and Nike's, you know, because a lot of kids are getting jacked for their Nike's on these trains. I love how much Bishir is embracing the look of the time because not only did he change clothes, but he's like tussled his hair and grown a seven five o'clock shadow. Do you think he can just kind of like go like, and it just pops out? I mean if that were a thing it would have worked for me by now. Like Homer shaving his five o'clock shadow and it just like pops back the second he finishes.

The sheer fits right in here. Post costume change. Yeah it looks great. I talked about this a bit before. They meet in this building, this dude who's like trying to organize kind of an anti sanctuary zone rally from within the sanctuary zone. He's worried about his kid,

because his kid got beat up, but he's looking to like do a non-violent version of the bell riots. He's an organizer, and he seems pretty righteous. So, he's looking to put this together, and he's basically saying, go around and tell everybody you meet that we're going to get together and do a peaceful protest outside of the processing center. Tell people when they come to the rally to bring their families, their kids. Where are your best clothes?

Speaking of groovy things where people are wearing their best clothes, let's go to this party. It's a real who's who. I mean, to get invited to a party in the office of Chris Brenner of Brenner Information Systems. That Chris Brenner! of Brenner information systems. That Chris Brenner. I love how Dax's up to is like a three hour project. Like I question the resources she's put into finding Bixir and Cisco after seeing her hairstyle for the party.

She's like choked out some exotic bird and included that in the look. I mean, I was looking at possible places for Cisco and Bichiro to be, but then I went down this weird YouTube rabbit hole of like modern hairstyles. In kind of just like shooting the old breeze with Chris and a couple of his high society friends, she finds out that a possibility is that her crewmates have been put in the sanctuary zone. That's something that Chris Brenner of Brenner Information Systems, you know, Interface Operations Net Access Channel 90, thought to bring up to her as a possibility.

It's a conversation that also epiphanizes DAX about where Bashir and Sisko might be, because she like bails out of that conversation, and she's like, I think I know where they are now. Yeah, this all adds up. Like this is why there has been no other evidence of them anywhere. This is the moment where things get pretty speedy with the crosscutting between scenes. Because from here we go back to Cisco and Bashir where they get into a Star Trek fight around a burn barrel with a biddle in his gang of thugs. These are some bad boys that have been harassing them from the moment that they entered the

zone. How bad can you be if you're wearing a newsboy hat, though? At a hard time taking Biddle seriously. Yeah. Well, a lot of his buddies get beat up pretty bad. It's just because of a Trishon that Cisco and Bashir start to lose. They do get a bunch of Kirk chops on these guys before the fight starts to go the other way. Biddle is like, what kind of fighting is this? Amazing. Show me how you put your hands together there again.

Interlace all of the fingers and then you make a chopping expo-tion. Somehow your fingers don't break on contact. It's possible. And yet it's so effective. A good Samaritan sees Cisco and Bishir start to, you know, have the tide turned on them and he intervenes and Biddle sticks him through the belly with a knife. And he and Gang runoff Cisco and Bashir trying to trying to help this Samaritan who has has tried to help them and pretty soon like the Spotlight of a helicopters on them and they and they need to

Runoff Cisco has taken this dude's ID in the escape and when they get a moment to breathe after evading the Shotgun wielding cops, Cisco reveals that the man that was just killed was in fact Gabriel Bell, the man who is supposed to lead this riot and like make it the politically effective moment in history that it was going to be. It starts a pretty fun sequence that is a lot like the disappearing people from the picture in back to the future scene. Like the timeline has been done polluted and we know that because back on the defiance they've lost communication with the federation everywhere.

Yeah, I felt a little non-plussed by this scene just because of the way they do it in first contact where you get like just kind of the briefest glimpse of the Earth's Borgified as they go through the time butthole. I wanted to know just a tiny bit about what non-federation and a Fied Earth was like was the species wiped out was there a non-warp capable society still happening on the surface of the earth. Did somebody come just like kill them all or they're clinging on, they're like, tell me something. Just give me a little something to chew on, you know. Totally agree, because the idea that there are Romulans outside the neighborhood is an

insufficient description of what changed here. Yeah. Morning, morning, morning, steered, sweet, morning, morning, morning, morning, morning, morning, stop, have a time. So what's happened is that the timeline has changed, but it has, time has been preserved on board the defiant, the defiant representing all that's left of the federation at this point. The theory is that because of the like, keraniton particles in the hull or some bubble that's

formed around the ship or something, they're outside of what, of everything else that has changed. Cisco and Bashir in the aftermath of Gabriel Bell's death have vowed to preserve the timeline at all costs. I mean, Cisco tells this year. We have to make sure those hostages survive. That's a very non-specific announcement, but then shit really starts to pop off. They're like walking around telling people about this rally that they're trying to put together

for a couple of days from now, and they start to notice that a lot of people are running around pretty crazy, and they're like, hey, what's happening? And they're like, oh, there's like some kind of a nachos bell riot getting started. You can smell it. Yeah. I mean, smells delicious. It might give you the shit. It's because most people don't eat a lot of fiber normally.

And that constitutes the only fiber in their diet. Yeah. Those, those refried beans actually have dietary fiber in them. And then this riot scene, there's some wide aerials of this scene. There are a lot of extras here. I think maybe as many extras as we've ever seen in an episode of Star Trek on television. A big, big scene. Hundreds of people, and fires, and and you know light swinging through the smoke.

It's pretty epic in scope and Cisco and Bashir get there just in time to like yank the the shot got away from one of the bad guys and save this guard from being beaten to a pulp and they enter to a pulp and they enter the DMV area that they were processed in. There's Biddle and his buddies starting some shit. I think I am making a political statement. Cisco sees what's happening on scene and he's like, once Biddle shot the first guard, they didn't hesitate. Takes out the second and the third because what's the difference? They don't leave any witnesses.

Biddle's got to get it on in the scene, Ben. Yeah, don't let him blind. And Cisco introduces himself. He steps into frame and he goes... The name is Belle. Gabriel Belle. And then it's like... The name is Bell. Gabriel Bell. And then it's like...

...in to be continued. Yeah. And then like this message paid for by Gabriel Bell for Senate. Yeah. I mean, I mean, I think any campaign run by Gabriel Bell is going to be backed by Chris Brenner of Brenner Information Systems. Yeah, explicitly backed because Brenner Information Systems can kind of like put its thumb on the scales in terms of what news articles people see because they run all the algorithms. You know what, with a comment like that, I think that pivots us right into the, did you

like this episode portion of the show, Ben? Yeah, it sure does. Because when I think about whether or not I like past tense part one, I think it has mostly to do with the way that Star Trek routinely struggles with its own sense of condescension about modern times and in like near future times as depicted in this ep. I wish it was a little more adept at the sermon that it's trying to do because as it is, as we see it, it's too preachy for me. And it takes me out of an essential message that I think would be good if it were handled a little more subtly.

What about you? I remember seeing this episode when it aired. I remember it made a big impression on me and I thought it was a great episode but where it fell apart for me was it didn't seem like a realistic future. Like in 1995, I was watching this go in like fun episode. Like it's a fucking laugh riot to imagine that in 30 years, like we'll have, you know, formalized ghettos in major American cities and guys walking around in shotguns

enforcing fascist political policies. And I think that like it seemed a little bit ridiculous from that standpoint then and now seems like too preachy about our current situation from our perspective in 2018. Somehow it seemed implausible then and too on the nose now. Yeah, like how strange that it missed the targeted intended, but hit a further, more difficult target. Yeah. Yeah. Like you couldn't, you couldn't do the same shot twice.

Yeah. But that said, like I think that for the characters, I am compelled. And I, I found myself compelled again. We've had an impacted ass full of Star Trek stories where the characters go back to a time period in San Francisco specifically. And I think this is best and breed for that. Well, there's no guide in this,

and come on. You're wrong. There's also no Mark Twain, though. So, uh, did someone say my name? Fuck off. Ha ha ha. A good day to you, sir. Yeah, good day.

But what I guess what I'm trying to say is, like, I really liked watching this episode. And I was fascinated by that change. And, yeah. And I think that it has something more interesting to say than I realized initially. It's on it's on the side of like for me I definitely agree with you that it isn't by any means a perfect episode Well, why don't we see if we have any perfect priority when messages been we always do priority one message from star fleets coming in on secure channel Need a supplement on that.

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Rob Shulti as you may know has a seasonal horror film podcast called Pumpkin Spice Podcast. I like that he's just taking Uxbridge Shimoda money and turning it right back around and putting it into Uxbridge Shimoda. Yeah, that he's a true believer. Wow, did you know that the producer editor of two expert Shimoto shows has his own podcast? That's right, Rob's post Pumpkin Spice Podcast, a seasonal treat for fans of horror films. Alongside his buddy's Graham Young of the Austin Film Society and Catcon personality Brittany High, Rob and Co take on all aspects of the scares.

Subscribe now and visit the Patreon page for bonus episodes. Woo! Thanks, he says. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Uh, Rob's is, I mean, as of this recording, uh, we're still right in the thick of, uh, pumpkin spice podcast season, and I know that Rob's been working super hard on that show. Yeah, they do a different horror film series every year and in this year it is the child's play series of films. Oh man.

Which are, which are beloved and hilarious, occasionally even intentionally hilarious. And Rob is such a talented producer. It should come as no surprise that he's also a great host of this program. So definitely go and check it out and support the project by going to his Patreon page. Yeah, thanks Rob's for that promotional message. You know there are some workplaces that say that they have ownership of all of the projects that you create while you're employed by them. Yeah. Do you, is that something that's in the expert Shimoda employment contract?

I forget. I know. I'm going to have to look that up. I'd like to call the lawyers and get to the bottom of this. We might be entitled to get our beacwed on that Patreon money. Rob's like, you fucking remember Rob's. God, we would be so fucked if we didn't work with Rob's salty.

Our greatest friend of the program Rob's salty, we just like for no reason. Just get hell greedy on him. We would never do that. No, that our way. Our way is leaving money on the table whenever possible. Yeah, we've done it before and we'll do it again. Adam, our next priority on message is of a personal nature. And I just from Nick, the sometimes teacher,

and it is to Kevin the Daweller. I don't know what that means but the message goes like this. Hello from China! Life here is amazing. I haven't found Timmy's girlfriend yet. Chinese is tough to learn because I don't have Mike to teach me. Please give Brady a teeny tiny high five for me. Don't work too hard. Tony's lying about the due date. Also, in case Jimmy forgets to tell you, the good side is up.

This may be a Chinese state actor eh, activating some element of their espionage apparatus for all we know. Or it could just be an errant sector of the Wormhoney bosom, or one of the other numerous groups of priority on message enthusiasts that just write stuff in that seems like mainly designed to confuse us. I feel like this may be Nick's attempt at circumventing the commercial priority one message apparatus by trying to sell us on the idea of Chinese language lessons by his friend Mike.

What's that about? We're not in the pocket of big Mike. Absolutely not. So many pockets to avoid, Ben. Yeah. It's a real, a real minefield. Well, if you have a message of activation or a message of promotion for a greater viewership, you can take it on over to Maximumfund.org slash jumbo trun where personal messages are run under dollars and commercial messages are $200. And that's a great value been because

they reach kind of an astonishing amount of people. Yeah. And so doing, they also help the ongoing production of this program. Happy New Year, I already won, is it? Hey Adam. What's that been? Did you find yourself a drunk in Shemoda? Drunk Shemoda!

I think I'm going to give my Shemoda to O'Brien for just like he never owns up to this at all. Did you notice that? Yeah there's no like god I should have double checked the chronotons status of the ship before I swiped up. Like the thing that they tell you if you've ever been in a car accident, one of the things is that like never admit fault because you just don't know. Right. You don't know what happened and that is what O'Brien's doing here.

He's not admitting fault. He's instead like pivoting into CSI mode, a mode without emotion. Right. And that is a weird choice. But I guess it's sort of like being a surgeon for an entire career like you're gonna lose some people on the operating table yeah and and like eventually you just become immune that would have been great if you if

if the second they disappeared he dropped to his knees and just started pounding on the floor of the transporter. It never gets any easier! Why? I personally would love that. What about you, Ben? Who's your Shimoda? My Shimoda is Biddle, who is going to be main antagonist that Cisco and Bashir encounter a few times in the in their time in the sanctuary zone and it looks to have been set up to be the main antagonist for the next episode. The first encounter that they have with him

he he calls Cisco new boy that's his big insult for Cisco is New Boy. Oof. Come on, Biddle. If you're gonna be the toughest street tough out here in these streets, you're gonna have to do a lot better when you're busting somebody's chops than calling them New Boy.

I mean, it is a historically known slur for a white person to call a black person boy. Right. And I wonder if that was the way that they were able to use that word was by like putting a little bit of new on it to get it through without it being so cutting. What do you think about that? I mean, I thought about that a little bit. I also thought about how like anything

that didn't include the word boy that was actually creative might have been a more interesting thing for this character to do because why not actually have him be like interesting? God, you could drop, you could use that line as a drop in a lot of our episodes. Mostly just about us. Yeah. Yeah. This actor, we're going to see that wielded at us in the, in the iTunes reviews pretty soon here. Yeah. Yeah. One star. Why not make it interesting? Don't do that as a joke. That's not funny.

Don't do that as a joke, that's not funny. Flag doesn't appropriate. Yeah. This actor, Frank Militari, is actually a lot more accomplished as a producer and writer for television. He's written on NCIS and Jericho and the unit and he's acted a bunch, but he's also written and produced a ton of television. Way to reject his surname and go into TV. I think a lot of people had an idea of what line of work he'd get into.

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Did I win? Aw, Vic. It looks like we've leapt over the banger. Oh, man. And we're on square, uh, square 25. That was a close one. Just that banger. Oh man. And we're on square, uh, square 25. That was a close one. Phew. Just this, that banger.

Those bangers are, are dangerous and they're, they're pretty plentiful on this board. Yeah. Somehow only two bangers, but they feel like the most dangerous part of the board, even though there's like way more space buttles. Wow. Well, safe and sound on a normal episode of the greatest generation Deep Space 9, my favorite kind.

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that keeps track of all of your drunks, Shimoda, and all of the different inside jokes that we do on the show. They really get granular with what a reference is to and when it first arose on the show and how it's evolved and stuff. It's really wild that that exists. I'm glad that it does because occasionally I need a little help in knowing what I'm talking about. Should I ever lose my mind, that will be a resource that I can use.

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