The Greatest Generation - They Really Spent on the Sparks (DS9 S4E6)

Episode Date: April 1, 2019

When the Little D can’t advance in the game without doing an escort mission, they descend into a submarine trope salad to hunt some ticks. But when a Disaster level of crew separation takes place, it might fall to Quark to save the ship. What’s the best holiday to eat a Canada goose? Why is Hanok so thirsty for surrender? How do you serve up Captain Jellico realness? What good is a jaunty lining in a jacket if you’re not going to show it off? It’s the episode that rests for as long as it needs to in shavasana pose. Follow The Game of Buttholes: The Will of the Prophets! It’s the MaxFunDrive! Support the production of The Greatest Generation.

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It's a Star Trek podcast by a couple of guys who are a little bit embarrassed to have a Star Trek podcast I'm Ben Harrison I'm Adam Pranica How you doing, Adam? Doing fine Doing fine like Cherry Wine Oh, that's nice to hear Had to put off the start of the recording for one of my famous half-hour dumps.

Yeah, we are here about 27 minutes after the official record time we set on the calendar. You know how it is, Ben. You know how it is. You knew what you were getting into. I knew what I was signing up for when I married him. You knew when you married me that you'd have to put up with all the best. You're gonna have to share me with every toilet. So I'm sorry if when you use the bathroom the seats still warm. Adam, I think a lot of people know I'm getting over something so I have to apologize

again if my voice is a little weird. I think you sound great. I have the thing where I can't tell if I sound great because my ears are stuffed up. You know what's awful about this is that you would be pretty bad at the classic office workplace sick call because if you were to call me to tell you that you were sick as your boss I probably wouldn't believe you. Yeah, yeah. I mean, you kind of are my boss in a way.

Ben, I'm your daddy. I are my boss in a way, you know. Ben, I'm your daddy, I'm not your boss. Oh, gross. Ha ha ha. I'm reporting you to HR. What's Rob gonna do about it? I'm fucking dare him. And it's been a long time since we've done a raskin open.

I don't know if I'm familiar with what a raskin open is. You coined the term. It's named after Judith Raskin, the lady that paid for all the park benches at the park near my house. Because she loves the birds there so much. I don't know her, but I'm a huge fan. Those park benches are a delight. I think she left those park benches in her will So I don't think you're actually gonna have an opportunity to make her acquaintance. No No, sadly not but there's been a lot of bird

Developments since we've last talked about the birds and I just I've felt remiss in not updating the folks Yeah, I'm ready for an update. It's been a while. I have just had the most remarkable experience For a few moments I actually felt the air currents beneath my wings The exhilaration of soaring above the tree tops touring above the tree tops. Oh, man, everybody's here. The bad, the bad. The bad, the bad, the bad. One of my favorite things about going to the park

is that you see the life cycle, you know? Like LA is a weird city that's always 72 degrees and sunny and it really fucks with your sense of the passage of time. Like I was at a party last night talking a bunch of people would move from New York to LA and I was talking about that passage of time thing. And they're like, yeah, like I can remember my time in New York in like three month increments.

Like I know when stuff happened, real it's if to other stuff. And I've been here for the same amount of time and it's just a blur. Yeah. And the part is really cool because like you watch, like, oh, like these birds have all showed up.

Now they're like, making, they're pairing off and they're, you know, like occasionally you'll walk through the park and watch like a male duck holding a female duck down and, and, and doing the bone zone. It's like, yeah, geez. Ducks fuck really messed up. Hey, Vant, don't, don't duck shame them. Ha, ha, ha, I guess it's just their way, yeah.

I mean, as long as they're two consenting ducks, they should have fun in whatever way they want. But there've been a couple of times when I've seen a lone baby duck in the lake, and walking around the lake, I get like, I'll see a baby duck by itself. And you always see baby ducks in their group with their mom. And when you see one by itself, it worries you

because that baby gets separated from all the other ducks. I just found out that there's miniature ducks in this lake. I was not seeing baby ducks. I was seeing ducks that there's miniature ducks in this lake. I was not seeing baby ducks. I was seeing ducks that are smaller than normal ducks. What? Yeah. So I've had like, I've gone to the park, like walk in the dog and had like full emotional,

like feeling like my heart is breaking because I'm watching, I'm seeing a baby duck swim around, lost, you know, separated from its family, definitely not going to survive this ordeal. And now I find out it's just a tiny or duck. Wow. Yeah. So that's one thing that's going on. The one thing that should have clued you into that is the one park bench that says, look at all these tiny, fucked up ducks. And then the quote attributed to Judith Raskin. Yeah. That bench is far off in the corner though. Yeah. This usually a guy sleeping one off on that bench. Yeah. The other big development, having maybe like three months ago.

I saw the arrival of some Egyptian geese. Have you ever seen Egyptian geese? No. And look, give a good, do an image search on Egyptian geese. They're spectacular, weird birds. They're like, they're like the size of a Canada goose, but they're a little bit more duck-looking and they really have remarkable plumage. Wow, yeah, they've got, you know what they have

is they have like killer whale eye. Yeah, they kind of do, yeah. Because the plumage around the eye is very dark, thus making the eye look very big. Yeah, a lot of people call them the orcas of the bird world. Sure, yeah. But yeah, they're hanging around and I also go through crazy emotional throws with these guys because originally there were four of them. And then for a while there were three of them and then there were just four of them. And then for a while there were three of them and then there were just two of them. And they're always in a group.

So I was imagining that a coyote had come down off the hill and gotten one of these guys. And it was very upsetting to me because they're so weird. And like the weird thing about them is that they're always just kind of like walking around together like they they just live in the park they just walk around like they don't ever seem like they're doing anything they're just kind of loitering you know and it just made me really sad that one of these guys got grabbed by a yout and then suddenly they're back to four.

Just, uh, I don't know where the other two went. Maybe they, uh, maybe they would have made a run to the store. Yeah. When shopping for the others. Like you have really strong feelings for these birds, Ben. I do. You know, when I watch, uh, those like David Attenborough documentaries, it's really hard for me to accept like what a challenge

it is to live in the wild. Yeah. It makes me feel feelings. Wow. I'm too cold. I just, I watch those things stone-faced, just accepting of the laws of the wild. Well, I think also I feel bad because my dog is obsessed with the idea of

picking a fight with a goose. Like, and you want to give that to him, don't you? Like, if you love your dog, you want to give him a win, right? I don't think he would win. I think a candidate goose would kick Darwin's ass. Candidate goose kicks a lot of animals ass. Yeah, a candidate goose would kick my ass. Yeah.ose kicks a lot of animals ass. Canada Goose would kick my ass.

That's a mean ass bird. They're coming and they hiss and they stick their tongues at you. Yeah, they're no good. Yeah. No good at all. But they're good eating. You eat a Canada Goose on a holiday dinner? Yeah, in Boxing Day.

Found this one, shitting in my yard. Enjoy. My yard is full of gray green pellets. Gross. Wow, that sounds like a delight. You get yourself a burger at the burger shack in that park, Ben. I do, that's one of the good burgers, I think. Yeah, they get written up as like one of the great burgers in LA.

A lot, I think that the chicken sandwich is the sleeper hit there though. Hmm, I have not gotten it. One thing I don't like about that park is that the paddle boats are all swans. Yeah, that happened since I moved here. They, uh, I don't like about that park is that the paddle boats are all swans. Yeah, that happens since I moved here. I don't like that. They swapped out plain paddle boats for swan paddle boats.

Give me a plain paddle boat. Why does it have to have the big neck obscures my vision of the lake? Yeah, that messes up your opportunities for paddle boat photography, etc Especially when you're a birdman such as yourself. Yeah desires for nothing else than taking pictures of his favorite birds I that's all I want Wow feeling all the feelings at the park speaking of the park. Speaking of semi domesticated animals had them. Yeah. We got an episode with farmer hogging in it. Nice pivot. I was wondering how you were going to get it done. Good show. Do you want to speak to me about season four episode

six starship down? Sure do, Ben. Oh, I could have gone speaking of geese. We've got an episode about down Right, you know what I like I like it as said originally. I okay. I don't like the punch up Okay, it was it was a it wasn't a punch up. It was a lateral punch at best. It was yeah You know you don't want to punch down. It was not an uppercut, it was a cross. You realize how incredible this is? No, of course you don't. You know, this starts off like one of those real boring Star Trek apps that are about like the economies between two cultures.

Yeah. The economic entry episode used to be a major grounding for a story in TNG. And I thought that's what we were going to get here with the meeting between the Karema Commerce Ministry and one Ben Cisco. Yeah, do you think that Karema is where that one host from, queer eye comes from?

Yes, yes, that's very funny Ben. Fuck you. You know the flat house is an entire podcast about how words that sound like other words are a funny idea. You think you're above that and they're 10 times funnier than us. You know I think my problem is that I am behind several seasons on that show. Oh man. And maybe- The seasons good. Yeah.

And I think they go to Lawrence Kansas in one of the episodes. Oh, that's a place we've been. A place we've been. Hmm. This is like a meeting at the table in the little D. Well, what they've done is they've driven the little D into the G quad and they've met up with the Karrama

and their ship. And so this guy, Hanok, played by James Cromwell, beams over to do a little negotiating. And what they found out with the help of Quark as kind of a mediator is that tariffs are no good for their trade economy, Ben. Yeah, they have not been shopping at the duty-free shop that I'm sure Deep Space 9 has.

No. They're getting crippled with duty. And I guess the Ferengy Viacork have somehow been put in charge of arranging deals between the federation and the Karama. Boy, if there's anything you need to suspend disbelief about in this episode, it's that. Do you remember the first episode that we meet the Ferengi and they're introduced as like a very serious antagonist to the Federation, a real villain in this universe.

Cisco never should have trusted Quark in this role because he's seen Quark wave a contract over his head before snapping it at the person he wanted to sign it. Like so many forringy whips. I'm just saying like they were like on an even footing with the Federation in terms of their power in the quadrant in that episode. Yeah. How far the mighty have fallen. Now they're now they're the errand boys for the Federation. Yeah. So under ZX rulership the fair the for any of not done well. I mean it just kind of goes to show what the end game is for those that seek to

Fuck with the universe economy, you know, those who want to get one over on the other guys the fraudsters are not gonna Wait in the long run. No, we can't let them we get a scene. I mean what we get are like a bunch of reaction shots From Ben Cisco. He's not telling Hanok that Quark is in a ton of trouble at this point, but it's pretty clear that once Hanok leaves, Quark is gonna be grounded big time. Yeah, so this is like one of those things where this is set up, this is kind of head-fainted

as being the A story, but it's just really just an excuse to get the D, to get the little D in a dangerous place with another ship, because pretty soon Cisco gets called up to the bridge because Jamadar are in the neighborhood. Yeah, a couple of ticks closing in fast. And I love Hanuk in this scene, because everyone's kind of assembled on the bridge to meet this challenge. And Hanuk's like, hey, I'm gonna go ahead

and beam back over and get myself up. That's sort of the Karemma way. And Cisco doesn't let him. I'm not about to turn you over to them. Cisco kind of that'll be the day is him. Like, we know nothing of Hanuk's relationship to Cisco, but this is a big, thick underlying to their relationship that I was not expecting.

I'm never gonna let you die, Hanuk. Hanuk's like, wow, you're kind of making me uncomfortable with how much I'm willing to defend my honor. Cisco is going to stand and fight with these Gemhead R. And I guess the Gemhead R are going to kind of target the Karaman ship. So it is the defiant attempting to defend that ship. It's an escort mission and anybody that's played video games knows that escort missions are fucking bullshit. Right. But yeah, the the caramanship is is dinged up pretty badly and it has to descend into the atmosphere of the planet that they met up in orbit of. Hanukks like they're going into the atmosphere to give themselves up there.

I wish I was with them. Cutspeed. Any of those second thoughts about maybe letting me go? I just really want to give myself up. If anyone could just point me to the nearest hatch, you can go ahead and get that done. I'll just jump across the breach. I'll, here I describe this planet as a, uh, something, in a way that kind of caught my attention.

She says it's a class J gas giant, which was actually the division I competed in when I was a professional speed eater. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. Was that walk long enough?

I love that. Just at the moment where I was ready to set up a tent. We had reached the punchline. Ben, if you were to be a speed eater, what would be your food? I think that chicken wings are a food that I have eaten at a pace that seems like professional speed by accident. It seems like you could go pro as someone who's witness

such a thing, yeah. Yeah, maybe like 40 ounce malt liquors I could be competitive with. I don't know, I'm not like a gulp of beer down guy. I just drink too quickly. You're an old Edward 40 hands guy from back in the day, aren't you? I never actually had him taped on, but...

Because they were emptied too fast. Like by the time anyone would tape had, they were emptied too fast. Like by the time anyone would tape them, you were already done. They were still trying to find where the start of the tape was on the roll. I was like, done. God, that is just a whole lot of liquid man. Whole lot.

That's the fucked up thing about that challenge is the, is the going P part because you can't get your Trausers undone when you have forties taped to your hands. Did you were you drinking a malt liquor when you did that or just Yeah, old English Fuck I don't know how you did that It's like 22 you know. Yeah I had hurricane ice when I drank the 40s. I don't even know if they make that anymore.

I've never heard of hurricane ice. Yeah. Yeah, what you want is either a malt or an ice beverage. Imagine if your life was like a hurricane at him. Hmm. Hmm. I can't even. You know what this episode is like?

Star Trek 2, The Wrath of Con, and by extension, Submarine Films. God, it sure is. You know I love a submarine film, and I love things that resemble submarine films. Uh-huh. But is this episode two on the nose? Like, we get full on, we get the,

we got to seal the compartment or people will die. We get the creaky sounds of a ship being crushed in an atmosphere. Like it's so. We get the torpedoes in the water. We got to, we dodged the first one, but the second, you know, like, like it is the trope salad that you make submarine films out of. I can save like how I really feel about it for the review portion, but like I was hoping for a variation on the theme and not the exact paint by numbers theme of that, you know? Yeah. So the deal is that they're the two ticks and the caramanship and the little D going around in this gas giants atmosphere.

So they've got the scrambled porn on the on the view screen. They can't see out the front of the ship. Tactical. Inoperative. They've got torpedoes. They're like modifying probes to be torpedoes. Dr. Would you care to assist me in performing surgery on a torpedo? And I guess I'm not really sure why they had to modify probes instead of just using the torpedoes, but... It's because the guidance systems don't work in the muck. This whole plan is insane. Like why even go into the atmosphere? They have two kilometers of sensor range, Ben,

which is like a unit of distance that's so small you rarely ever get it in Star Trek. I think they go into the atmosphere because the Karaman's tried to ditch the gem hadar in there and they're nominally on the escort mission. But everything is going wrong and eventually the gem hadar. Like it seems like the gem had our like it seems like the gem had our not quite as crippled by the effects of the planet as the as the little Diaz, right? Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, in in a way that's similar to this episode being to a submarine film, I thought this episode would also be very similar to that TNG episode of disaster Because they kind of set up Ensign Carson as the green horn on the bridge Right, and then they start knocking off bridge crewman, and I'm like, okay, well, this is a this is Ensign Carson's time to shine and they give her A bunch of lines up front and then we never see her again Yeah, if they give her a bunch of lines and then we got to know her a little bit so that when she got a girder dropped on her, it hurt a little bit more. Yeah, the girder gets dropped on her off screen. She just disappears.

She's a little bit in you. That's like a very weird choice because they definitely are doing disaster tropes also, like separating people into kind of interesting groups. Yeah. So we've got quark and the trade minister. We've in there in the mess hall. And then Jadzia is down in a jeffries tube

with another guy who seems like a red shirt, right? When O'Brien tells munis to go help DAX, that guy is going to fucking die. Boy, I'm totally in agreement with you there. There were a couple guys that you see in fleeting moments of disaster and you think, well, bye. It's like a better version of the thing that happened in this current season of Star Trek Discovery when that barzant lady, yeah, commander, like when they like specifically comment on her red shirt,

you know, when the other guy dies, it's like that, like they've given these characters' names and lines and they're not killing them in this episode. It's so confusing because later on, two bridge groomen are killed and you see their melted faces, but neither of them are people that we even saw at all as living.

Yeah. So why wouldn't they choose to kill someone we know? Boys and Peters and our dead, sir. Instead they kill all girders everywhere. There's so many support structures that fall out of the ceiling in this episode. It's almost like comically crazy how many fall out of the ceiling. I really like that this episode uses foreground sparks during the bangers. I can't remember ever seeing sparks go off in between the camera and the characters

when we're shooting them head on. But they do that quite a bit here. They're forward of the plane of focus in the camera, so they really glow on the screen. Yeah. Super dynamic. God, the spark budget on this episode off the charts. They really spent on the sparks. They killed one of the gemmared hardships with their probe trick pretty quickly, but the other is still out there, and they get a banger dropped on them that unleashes all the girders and Cisco gets bonked on the profit nuggin and We've had a bit of exposition from Kira that this is a special like but Bajorin Lent holiday To celebrate the the coming of the profit. They they fast for for a day to

To honor his coming. I thought it was interesting that they introduced the idea of her fasting and that is never an element of suspense here during her situation with Cisco. Yeah, I kind of thought that that was just like, the other choice would be like put an ash cross on the her forehead or something like that. I think it's a would be like put an ash cross on the hair forehead or something like that.

I think it's a way to get the characters talking about Cisco's spiritual significance in this scene. True. It's like. I thought it was a little manipulative that Cisco's assault soup exploded on him during the banger, because I I mean he's covered in tomato bisc. It looks like he's wounded far worse.

Yeah. But as it is he's wounded pretty badly because he's got brain bleeding. He is in a bad way and there's not really anything they can do because the doctor and DAX are out of comms range. DAX is kind of the steves on of this episode. She's down there with munis and they finish fixing some critical system and munis makes it through the door. And DAX gets a couple longfalls of gas from the atmosphere of this planet.

Dr. Closet Bokhead. But you're still in there. No, Dr. Batsunorah. The sheer closes himself into a small compartment with her and she's in a really bad way and Cisco's in a really bad way. You know, nothing against Terry Ferrell's performance here, but you look at Sinequa Martin Green's performance and hailing poison atmospheric gas. Ah!

Compared to taxes. Not truly it. Not very comparable. Well, it's different because she didn't get tied to a chair for it. Right. Right. Yeah. Pretty tame gas, I think.

It's an interesting episode because Dax and Cisco sort of become non-factors in it after this as far as like performance is go. Yeah. Basically sleeping for the rest of the episode. Cisco is in full on Savasana pose. On the bridge being tended to by Kira. Yeah, dedicating his practice. Yeah.

I think, you know, whenever there's a head injury on a TV show, I feel like there's someone making a makeshift pillow for the head. Where's Cisco's pillow? Yeah, and his biggest fan, Kira, who's going through like, I mean, initially she's like trying to tell him stories and try, you know, she's pitching him on a four-shift rotation giving us that Captain Jellico realness. That'll never work, Kira. Given me life with that Captain Jellico realness, honey. But, but then she shifts to like telling stories and then eventually shifts to like full

blown bargaining with the deities for his life prayer. It's a good Kira episode, isn't it? It is like you can really trust Nanavisid or with an acting job where she has to act by herself and nobody is helping her. Oh boy, that's a great point because even though she's acting across from Avery Brooks, she's kind of not, right? Yeah. He's basically just a, you know, they might as well just put a Avery Brooks Demi on the floor.

Not only that, I mean, the Navisatoria is so expressive and the scene is so dimly lit. It also, like, sort of handicaps for performance in that way too. And she's still, like, she shines right through that darkness. Yeah. I'm glad you brought up the lighting because this episode is very dark, but at the beginning, the bridges, even like, is super brightly lit, like more brightly lit than I think the little D typically is. I felt the same way.

Yeah. And I think that they do that to just kind of give us some, to give us some contrast. Yeah, after the, after the ship is really messed up. But I think they kind of over did it a little bit. Yeah. So we cut, we cross cut from the bridge with Kira and Cisco and the turbo lift with Bashir and Dax that they've escaped to for the time being. And also to Quark and Henak who are still arguing over the tariffs and what Quark has done to manipulate him. And Henak is not having it at all. It's kind of presenting himself as like an anti-greet business nerd.

Like he loves calculating like an appropriate margin for a product based on, you know, the costs of goods and the labor involved in producing it. And Quark is like much more a like, yeah, like you buy something and you see what you can get it, you know, you can sell it for. It's like gambling, it's exciting. It's, he approaches business from a very different standpoint. He's an idealist of the kind that would be crushed

under the boot heel of modern capitalism. Right. His light would be extinguished like so many cigarettes. Well, he's like one of those people that thinks economics is a hard science and not a social science. Sure. You know, like that people are rational actors that make non-emotional choices in the marketplace.

Yeah, people are crazy. People be crazy. You see what you can get away with and you've got to figure the other guys doing, people are crazy. People be crazy. You see what you can get away with and you gotta figure the other guys doing the same to you? That's not the way the Carama conducts this. Oh, come on. But that facade kind of crumbles

when a torpedo hits the ship. Yeah, and it's a dud. Yeah. This is the one way that I feel like we get an interesting variation on the theme of submarine film, right? Yeah, absolutely. Because, because like, Worf is kind of running the show from engineering.

And there's like a, there's like an e-story line about Chief O'Brien teaching Worf how to be a good leader. I just feel like. Worf almost didn't make it to engineering because he had to hold open a door to get out of the bridge. Yeah. He went over to the door and he's like, uh, can you, you come, you come help me. It's deep background so you can't really see his struggle.

Yeah. I'm fucking paid Mr. Bucket I have to revert back to my dead state Oh, I don't use the bucket anymore There's a scene where like this, you know, they dodged the first torpedo and the second one's coming in and the guys like It's 75 meters It's 50 meters Like how fucking slow is this space torpedo? It's covering 25 meters in like several seconds. Wow.

That is a great point. All you need to do is add a couple of zeros to those figures and it makes a lot more sense. Right. But I think they kind of tied their hands when they gave the two kilometer sensor range. Yeah. That's true. But yeah, so this torpedo lodges itself in the side of the ship.

It's dug in like an Alabama tick, Adam. Ben, is there any way to make this scene not funny? Because we've got a two shot of Henok and Quark, and then we like, I think we went pan over to the hall. Yeah. That the torpedo has has penetrated and I just laughed out loud. Is it because the torpedoes glowing and it's not glowing red for example. Like I don't know. There's something about the scene that's cartoonish.

Yeah, it's it's a little bit silly. And when we come to understand is that Hanok is actually the person that sold the torpedoes to the gem he did our. He's not just in business with the federation. He's been hoisted refund for this torpedo. Yeah, because it sort of makes Hanakh into a hypocrite, right? Like he's not the hardcore idealist that he's made himself out to be earlier. Like he's a guy that works in the margins by selling arms to the gem hadar.

Like, and also not selling quality arms to the gem hadar. I totally understand this approach though, right? Like if you can get everybody to believe that you're like a real honest to goodness plays by the rules, business person, like it makes it easier for you to fuck them over, right? Yeah. So him being on his moral high horse about the way business is done actually kind of makes sense for his character

and it's a fun reveal. And by selling to both sides of a conflict, I mean, they've really turned into Karema Burton as a company, right? Yeah. His last name is Cheney. Hanak Cheney. I love this scene because you finally see the John T. Liner of Quark's Shave Ice Jacket.

I never thought we'd see him take it off, but when he does, it's great. Yeah. You know, you don't always design a costume to have a variation like this. And it's pretty cool to have seen this frock several times before we see its full capabilities. Do you have any jackets with John T. Liners? I feel like you have to, right?

Your Benjamin R. Harrison. My tuxedo has a fairly jaunty liner. Yeah. I would say. And I have like a brown corduroy jacket that, you know those, you know those cars are kind of like purple but then in the shifting light you see like green and orange and blue time out of the paint. I have a liner in a corduroy jacket that kind of looks like that but, you know, you never

actually see it. So it's not meant to catch anybody's eye. I made a mistake with one of my jackets. I got a a filsen tweed jacket for very cheap on eBay like five years ago. Uh-huh. And it was it was one of those weird one-off jackets that they didn't make many of. And so the liner was very plain. And not only that, it would snag you when you put your arms through the armholes. I want that. And I started to tear it just through regular use. And so I took it to a tailor to get re-lined. And I think I chose a liner too jaunty, because it actually made me want to wear the jacket less because the pop from like, tweed is a very plain looking textile, I think.

Like it's, like you definitely, you definitely know it when you see it, but it's not a look at me kind of. Quark is never gonna have a tweed garment. Right, but the liner is so loud that it's all anyone can see when I wear it. And I think I need to get it reliant just to like

To to reverse the interest of what of what the jacket looks like, you know I want people to see the tweed not the crazy liner. Yeah, you don't want it to be the pink and white stripes Inside of Jerry Seinfeld's brown leather jacket. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, exactly Yeah, exactly. What is with the pink lines? I don't know. Yeah, pink lining. Quark, we have known to be a bit of a locksmith, I believe. So he actually pitches like opening up this bomb

and doing the bomb tech thing where they find the red wire and the green wire and decide which one to clip. So we've pollinated a submarine film with one of those action films where a bomb must be used, right? It's kind of fun. It's diehard three meat scrims and tide. Yeah.

I like it. Yeah. This is getting better and better. Indeed. This is when we come to understand that Hanuk was the salesman because he's seen a schematic of these torpedoes. And there's a pretty fun moment where Quark just kind of like throws caution to the wind

and reaches in and pulls out a component that has a 50-50 chance of setting the thing off. We keep going around the horn in this episode where in a scene next to this one, Bashir shares his strange fantasy with DAX about, you know, it's so cold in the turbo lift, Ben. They've got to seek the warmth of each other's arms. He's gotten too cold.

Is it hypothermia? It looks good. It's gonna be alright. And as soon as DAX crawls into Bashir's arms, I'm like, oh God, Bashir, please don't say anything. Please don't say anything. Don't fuck this up. Please don't go back to season one.

And he actually refers to season one, Bashir, in like, you know, Dex season one me would have turned this into something really creepy. And I'll tell you exactly how. Yeah. And she's like, I'm kind of surprised that you're not season one and around right now. Doesn't Bashir know that even mentioning that makes you that creepy? You, he has become season one.

Bashir and become season one destroyer of relationships. It's nice because I don't know how much time we've had to digest season one, but sheer. And I just watched that documentary on HBO, the inventor about it. Oh, I've yet to see that, but I really want to. It's really interesting because there's two journalists who are like marquee interviews in the doc who wrote profile, like Big Magazine profiles for Fortune and the New Yorker about this lady who turned out to be a fraudster before her fraud was understood by anybody. And they are like sitting there talking about like this person that they got wrong, you

know. And it's like, I think it takes a ton of confidence in your own, in yourself to admit a mistake on a scale like that. And it is really cool to see this show chew on what a bad character busier was in season one in this episode. Yes. So often, Star Trek's character development begins with their characters as being almost perfect, and then at the end of eight seasons, you see their growth to become even more perfect. Fisher's not like that, and for as cringy as he was in season one, I don't think you can

fully appreciate him without that, you know? Yeah, yeah, and so I think it's cool that they don't peanut butter over the fact that that was kind of a regrettable way of him being What are you doing now? I'm not be gone. I'm not be gone. In engineering, a wolf is being pitched an idea for a weapon system that sounds exactly like the deflector dish moonshot from best of both worlds. And he does not remember it. The guy who was told to fire said reflect or dish moon shot.

Like these engineers are describing exactly that and worse like that is a very intriguing concept that I'm totally inexperienced with it all. Even the two engineers look at each other like really? Yeah. Like we actually we stole this. Yeah. From you. We read about this when we were studying to become engineers.

You know what? You know what would be a thrill for us as engineers if you fired it for us? Like I would just love to watch that. Get a, get a, could one of us put on a fake beard and give you the order? And like, let's see if we can get the karamans to send over a voicemail beforehand that says like, like, the battle with the gem had our did not go well defiant Oh all Hanson all the time yeah, Ben Keeping the memory alive Hanson is my is my mood all day every day. Yeah

Hanson is my resting state. Yeah, yeah, resting Hansen face. Yeah. Yeah. That was a fun scene. Warf is starting to get it. Yeah. And it's based on O'Brien's advice. O'Brien makes the case that like, look, you don't give an engineer an order. You give an engineer a problem that they can go out and solve. Yeah.

They're just nerds that want to do math problems and like being a domineering asshole to them is not a great motivator. Like you're going to get worse worked out of them because they're going to feel shitty about what they're doing. It's like telling someone that their job is to design a website that stays operational 24-7 and not like giving them a task like that's that's less specific. Give me a different symbol that will actually be in the opposite. Can't do it, don't have one.

Back on the bridge we hear the pan flute of imminent emissary death, which is a pretty bad sign, I think, because as Kira starts grieving the pre-death of Ben Sisko, the pan flute becomes more apparent. It's a heavy moment, you know, and it's, it is pretty crazy that Star Trek is occasionally able to get a character to speak in a nonsense made up language and have us be like, have, you know, give you the, give you the goose bumps that there in like this very like serious spiritual space. You know, Nana visitor can do it because she's done it before also.

Yeah. Right. This is a, this is one of the many weapons in her arsenal. Yeah, she's great in the scene. The power of prayer works at him. No, it doesn't. Oh, in the scene it does. It does, yeah, that's true.

I mean, who knows, right? Every Brooks is doing a little... It's impossible to separate the variables because they didn't give us an alternate universe scene where she doesn't pray. All right, that's fair. You got me there. Yeah, I really got your dead to right, you piece of shit.

Something that's a little bit act drunk adjacent feels like act about to die, right? Yeah. And Avery Brooks is given that task in this episode and does a fairly good job. It does. It's a pretty subdued moment. But yeah, it seems like he's going to be OK, right?

Well, especially because we get kind of an elliptical edit at the end of the soul thing that ties things up very neatly in the form of a commander's log. But before we get there, we need to get to the part of the show where quark and hanak disable the torpedo sticking into their room, right? Yeah. That moment where quark reaches in and quote unquote clips the right wire without preparing Hanok beforehand, I think is great. Yeah, he tears off the bandaid, you know? Yeah, I think I would want it that way.

If I'm in that scene, you know, like I have at times been a slowly pulled the bandaid off type of person and that's not a good way to be, I think. If I'm gonna bite it in that room, rip it right out. Yeah, I think having had dental work done recently, knowing that they're about to stab you with something is the thing that makes, all of the build up to that is the part that sucks.

I mean, getting stabbed also sucks, but it's better if it just is like, oh, fuck, I just noticed something is, but like, it's better if it just is like, oh, like fuck, I just noticed something is happening. Oh, it's over, you know. It's still really encouraging of you finding another dentist. I mean, they drilled out all the cavities. It's over. The drilling does not go well, Benjamin. Why is my dentist talking to me through a view screen?

They like they like blow up the gem hadar. Everything is like, you know, they they rescue all of the all the caramans and some security guy like prize open the door to the mess hall and quirk and hanak have just gone right back to kibbitzing about business. We get a very long den you man. Yeah. Yeah we do. It feels weird.

The bolted on commander's log and then dinyu mu of, I guess it starts with quark and Hanak at the dabbo table, right? Yeah, Hanak has poop-pood the idea of gambling previously, but now that we know him to be a scumbag on quark's level, we see him get dabbo. I kind of see this as a ban and Adam situation that hasn't played out to its natural conclusion. Adam being quirk being the Adam figure and and ban being the the Hanok figure who has yet to enjoy gambling. So you think that you think that you're gonna get me into it. I think I think eventually we may find ourselves at a crap stable during Star Trek Las Vegas.

Whoa. Could be fun. Oh, spoiler alert. Could be fun. I would stake Bill Tilly, but I don't want to play myself. Fine. That sounds like a great time. Yeah.

We both stake Bill Tilly. Bill, you lost $1,000. What the fuck? Bill, start a Patreon. That's what finally happens to get them to start one. Yeah. We get a deep sense of guilt. Bill, set up a Patreon. I love how also in Quarks bar, we see that Morn sits far away from the dartboard these days. Keeping a critical eye on it from across the room. Yeah, keeping

his signature side eye on that dartboard. Not even Quark could hit him from that distance. I guess Warfin O'Brien are good time buddies drinking and talking about their days on the Big D. One of the engineers from the Defiant brings a repair plan to Warf who seems to be sort of like the commanding officer of the Defiant in a lot of ways. Right. Yeah, definitely get that too.

Like a Cisco ship that Warf runs it most of the time. Did not take much time for that to happen, huh? Yeah. And it sort of happened off screen, I feel like too. Do you get the sense that when Kira is aboard the defiant, she is still the first officer, or is warped the first officer in a defiant context? I mean, you never, you rarely see Kira sit in the big chair.

Is my, is my answer to that, you know? I think the chair is the answer. The whole stuff between Kira and Cisco, largely circled around the kind of, the way their relationship was almost entirely professional because the position he holds in her faith tradition is, you know, makes it too weird for her to be around him in an off-duty context. But this harrowing experience has kind of made them both recognize that maybe they

could maybe they could lighten up a bit and get to know each other on a more personal level. I wish that the things that I told people made them glow the way that Cisco telling Kira he's taking her to a baseball game, make Nanavis tour space glow in that moment. Like wow, I wish I had that kind of power. I wish I made anyone that happy. If I'd ever had that effect on my on my wife once. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like it's sort of happy sad in that moment.

I see that moment and I'm like, wow, great moment. And then also, oh, I wonder if I could ever make anyone feel that way. Yeah. So the last shot in the episode is Kira sitting at a crowded baseball stadium in Cisco, walks in and he says, I should have done this a long time ago. What do you think the hot dogs at Quarks taste like? I imagine they're like the 7-11 job that's like slowly rotating on the rollers. I imagine that they're just a giant mealworm, the size of a hot dog on a butt.

Oh. Relish in your body. Is it way to save put relish on that hot dog, Ben? Yeah, there you go. Now you're using your nagon. Oh, wonderful. Photo finish for this episode of the greatest generation. High five free-shrame, roll credits.

Well done. Did you like the episode? Yeah. I mean, the tease of this episode, 20 minutes in, was that Adam, you will not like this episode because it is just so on the nose with the submarine stuff. Yeah. But then, 10 minutes after that, it totally takes a left and it feels like it's a fresh variation on the theme. Like it played against my expectations in a really fun way. It also felt like there was a totally different sounding score to the episode.

And this wasn't something I was able to confirm, but some of the music elements, especially post-banger, like in that darkened bridge, Sounded very unstart Trek-like, like very, you know how there's, God, I don't know how to describe it, like non-melotic sounding and more, more like the sound of pipes being struck or rhythmically or like, I don't know, like something was interesting there that they were,

that they were introducing this episode that I hope they stick with. But it did not register to me in that way, but that's an interesting observation. Great Kira episode for sure. Great quark episode actually, because for as much of a shithead as he is, like this episode gives him the chance to defend not just his actions here, but every action that leads up to this moment. And it makes me see him in a slightly different way. I mean, he's no less undeserving of prison.

But knowing what drives him specifically, I think, is good stuff, and I think that he articulated it well. So that's my review. What's yours? I really like the episode. I am a nasty little submarine cuck and I will always enjoy the salad of tropes of that. Yeah, you wanted to empty my bill, John, you're huh. You like that you will submarine cuck. Yeah, glug glug. In the immortal words of Jordan Wars. You want me to turn those valves, huh?

You want me to turn them real hard. Yeah, I want the repair crew to get that nasty little little little water spray cut off. You like those high PSI's, don't you? Oh, give me that crushed depth. Crush your net's depth. I think it's a really fun episode. It's an interesting season.

Like, tonally, this couldn't be a harder left turn from the last episode that we watched. And I'm here for it, you know, it doesn't feel uneven or weird. It's starting to feel like they can kind of, they can take wild swings like this and get away with it a lot of the time. Yeah. Yeah, I like it. Interesting sequence. You know how we talk about sometimes like the sequence of an album being very specific in terms of what song comes after the one before it.

Yeah, thoughtful. More thoughtful than I would have expected. Indeed. What do you want to see if we have any priority on messages to check at them? Let's do it. Priority one message from Starfleet coming in on Secured Channel. Need a supplement on top. Supplement on top?

Supplement. Supplement. Yes, extra. The interest alone could be enough to buy this ship. Adam, we have a couple of priority one messages here. Our first is from Steve and it's to Kate. And it goes like this. Our marriage is based on more than TNG.

Despite the evidence of the contrary, TNG games, bad movies, parties, and now this somewhat embarrassing podcast. Though I'm more data than JLP, for you, I'd take a phaser set to 16. Order maximum warp and resist even when it's futile. If you go to anybody canyon, I'll be there. Happy anniversary, I'm Zadi. Oh. It's hard for me to conceive of a relationship that's built on more than TNG though, okay. Yeah. That must be cool. That must be nice. I really hope that this is anywhere close to these people's anniversary because it was ordered on the 7th of December. Oh shit.

I don't know how if it lined up correctly or not, but Happy belated if that's the case. I think it's, boy, it's really, it's a good news, bad news thing because we really appreciate the idea of selling these out because they really do make a meaningful difference in funding for the show, but their popularity makes it so that sometimes they don't get out on the dates that they are requested for. So thanks for sticking with us if you're putting in for a P1. Yeah, somebody was asking me about if they could attempt to line one up

for a specific episode of Star Trek Voyager. And I was like, yeah, I don't know exactly what our schedule is gonna be, but if you wanna attempt to do the math, go for it. So they scheduled the P1 for two years from now wow yeah that's I mean I don't know if they actually did it or not but that's what they said that we're gonna do we have their money actually I'm not sure if that's how it works no we don't. Oh, shit. We only get paid if it happens. Yeah.

What a terrible deal. Yeah. I guess we're on the hook for Star Trek Voyager. I'm gonna look at our contract. Then our second priority one message is from Mrs. Eale. It is for Mr. Eale. And the message goes like this, dear Mr. Ithic.

I miss you and I love you. Here's the thing. Ithic is spelled ITHCK. Right? That's Ithic. Yeah, Ithic Yeah, it could be a it seems like it's thick but kind of jumbled. Oh shit. I mean is it mistyped? No, because there's no way you put the eye before the TH accidentally. It is a case for the- It is a case for the H. Eye before T except after C, right? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha greatest gen con in Bella Cula BC 2020. Whoa. I just want to thank you for being the bestest of friends and better Akka Winchewancha. And that is a AKK AW INCHEW INCHEW.

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Are aware of the bosom and they're invited in Yeah, I don't know do binterongs and and bolt trout get along I don't know I think we're gonna find out in Bella Cula BC in 2020 By that time we'll be touring with a binterong Hmm, I don't know why this works, but it does! Ha ha ha ha! Well, uh... If you'd like to send a priority on message, you gotta see MaximumFun.org slash Jembo

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Cellbow and pulling him off into the corner of the room and telling him how to be a leader. I do not get that. I mean, he does do the, with all due respect thing, which is what you do when you're about to deliver some face to someone that you shouldn't. Permission to tell you what to do, sir. Yeah, I mean, mean, he becomes even more lovable if that's possible just by virtue of his interactions with the people

that he orders around. And he gets some reflected comparison love by how much better he is at this than Wurf. But he makes a couple of fun faces faces like when Wurf is being a dick and also that you've got 10 moments when he like really there's something that engineers do in Star Trek when when they get an estimate of the time it takes to do a thing and then always asking for a couple fewer hours or whatever. Like he really went to that, that Scotty school of,

of chief engineering and yeah. I don't know, I like his brand of leadership here a lot, so I just want to recognize that with my Shimoda. What about you? My Shimoda is Munis. I'm not really sure how to pronounce that name, and I feel like they pronounce it differently depending on who's saying it in this episode. There's not an N-ye over the N,

which I would have expected for Enrique Munez, which is what his name is in the credits. Yeah, but I mean, I definitely heard somebody say Munez. Yeah, yeah, exactly. At some point, but he's my Shremota because when he is told to go get in the jeffers tube and help Dex, he just turns around and it's revealed that he already has his lunch box in his hand.

It was just standing there waiting for something. Hey, moonies, it's an emergency situation. You don't get to take your break right now. I really liked that. Yeah. He's my charmota. What do we have coming up on the next episode then? The next episode is season four, episode seven, little green men.

A mishap sends quirk, ramen, nog back in time to Earth of 1947 in Roswell, New Mexico, where military forces mistake them for alien invaders. I like it when you say the name's Ram and Nag, so close together so that it sounds like Ram and Nag. A disgusting combination of Ram and noodle soup and eggnog. The most umami holiday beverage. That is thick with two C's right there.

Ha ha ha ha ha. This is one of those episodes, isn't it, Ben? Like one of the episodes that people think of when they think of DS9. I, of course, haven't seen it because I haven't seen any deep-swaist nine episodes after season two, I think. But looking forward to seeing this one. Yeah, do you want me to discover if we will be doing it in any type of way?

Let's do it. Okay, so we're on square 88. We could hit a the traveler, which would move us five spaces forward, or we could hit a wormholehole which would send us down to square 72, which is a quirk's bar. You're required to learn as you play, roll. Trouble ahead, Ben. You may blow on this on this dice. You know you say you don't wanna gamble

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