The Greatest Generation - They Went to Jake Clips (DS9 S2E9)

Episode Date: April 23, 2018

On the anniversary of a significant event in Federation history, Sisko falls for a woman who keeps ghosting him. But after an awkward conversation at a dinner party, their fantasy romance goes nova. Is Jennifer Sisko reanimated, somewhere? Could a marriage be a “correctable situation”? Why doesn’t anyone want to take shore leave on DS9? It’s the episode where one of the hosts is still numb!

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I'm Adam Pryanaka. I'm Ben Harrison. Adam, your body language speaks embarrassment. Yeah, and the only reason you can say that is because you're looking at me during. Yeah. We're in my podcast studio now. Yeah, not just looking at you during, but also looking at you while we're both standing because for some reason, the chair setup in your house could not accommodate two people sitting down.

So many things about my home is not made for accommodating guests. For instance, the ceiling in my basement, very low. Yeah, if I had a spiky hairdo, I would be scraping the ceiling in your basement. If you were the type of man that wore like those vanity height boots that just added the extra

inch. What the goldfish living in the soul? Yeah, I think you'd be in big trouble. Yeah. This is, we are meeting up in the midst of the max fund drive and by the time people hear this it will be over but I'm already really excited by how people are coming out. Maybe we shouldn't talk about that. You remember how much fun of Trump we made during the election and how bad of a look that

is in retrospect? I love the idea of us. I don't regret ever making fun of Trump, by the way. Yeah, no, that's not the regret at all, but how we didn't take that seriously whatsoever. I love the idea of us like assuming success during the max fun drive. Thank you for helping us meet all of the goals. We have a single goal we came up with. You just smashed through. Smash through every goal. I'm I'm breathless with how grateful I am to everyone who helped us do that. Bendy, have any other things you'd like to review about my home now that you have me on the spot here?

You could say anything. Well, I've met your dog finally, and Sprachit is, I can confirm. I can now confirm, Sprachit with 99% of precincts reporting is a very good boy. Wow, that's an official review. with 99% of precincts reporting is a very good boy. Wow, that's an official review. That's not that Rasmussen polling.

No, no, no, no, no. This is a very high quality Quinnipiac level poll. That's the one you want right there. Ben, one of the things that I have been able to do as we do the show remotely is be the one to check our mail? I'm the one who is proximate to our mailbox. Right. And so I'm the one that gets to open it. This is also a fact that your wife has never let me live down. Yeah. She takes it as a personal offense that that wound up being a job that you took on. And I am very excited to be able to share that task with you here today.

We have a couple of packages from the box that I've retrieved, and I want to give you the honor of opening them. Captain, I'm sorry to disturb you. I'm receiving a Code 47. Verify? It is Code 47, sir. Starfleet emergency frequency. Captions eyes only I'm looking at this first one. It looks like it came in from the address of

of maximum fun headquarters and Occasionally people will send something to max fun HQ and then they will Out of the kindness of their hearts forwarded on to us like They've never sent us a bill for shipping on this stuff. So- When we talk about the overhead that the network has, part of it is sending us mail that has been sent to them. Yeah, all right.

So I'm opening this, there's a big manila envelope. Okay, we've got a comic book and a letter. This letter is from Eric. It says, dear Adam and Ben, it was great meeting you at the San Francisco sketch fest show a few months back. I was the guy who showed you a copy of that Star Trek Deviations comic and asked you to sign mine. You both did after confirming that I was okay with utterly destroying its value. Well, I don't regret the decision. I came to realize there really wasn't anything better to do with this new issue, other than read it. And then let you both have it so here you go

enjoy the comic keep up the good work So he sent us a comic book that we both signed that is not by either of us How weird is it to see this come back? Yeah, this is a comic called Star Trek Deviations and it seems to take place in a world where Romulans took over the Federation, at least a generation before our familiar next-generation heroes were born. On the cover, you might be tickled to note that Riker has an eye patch and he's riding a horse. Cool. Yeah, that SS sketch fest show is great for us and this is as much up to sketch fest as it is to us but that's something I'd like to just make

a tradition of if possible. Oh yeah, absolutely. I love devaluing people's things that ever possible. So happy to do it. Okay, we have a second package here and it is from Yokohama, Japan, from listener Mike, wow. We have a number of listeners in Japan. Oh, cool!

It's a bag full of Japanese candy! Whoa! A little piece of paper and a tiny envelope in here. It's your Ben and Adam. I thought you might enjoy these Japanese snacks and hope they entice you to come over to Tokyo for a greatest gen tour. Hell yeah. Thanks for all the hilarious episodes. They helped with the long crushing commutes in and out of the city.

Thanks again, Mike. Ben, I want to propose something here, right on the mic. And that is, do you want to do a little impromptu segment of Snack or Wack? I am familiar with Crunky because I directed a video series for Max Fun a few years ago called Brian and Lindsey will totally eat that. And in they ate Crunky. They ate Crunky and I'd much rather call it crummy or yummy because I have a personal connection to that. Okay, that's fair.

So this is a Ben and Adam will connection to that. Okay, that's fair. So this is a Ben and Adam will totally eat that. Yeah, I don't think that this looks like a green tea or maybe a Matcha flavored crunky, which is not the flavor that we tried on that show. It's like size of like a peanut butter M&M It tastes like a chocolate covered green tea Kit Kat Sure, yeah, but I guess a green tea Kit Kat would be covered in sort of a green chocolate. If the stuff in Nestle Crunch was all together and not separated by chocolate,

like if you have that stuff and somehow surrounded it with chocolate instead of infused it with chocolate. Crunchy's good. I apologize to any listeners that have that thing that makes them completely flip out when they hear people chewing things on my gloves. I don't like that. I've become what I hate the most You've become what you set out to destroy. Yeah, should we try this galbo? Yeah, let's let's rip it into the galbo the galbo Yeah, it looks like a strawberry confection with the chocolate on the inside. Oh man. That's a lot like you Ben, chocolate on the inside.

Oh damn, I really fucks with this galbo. I'm gonna go ahead and say yummy. I would say if a hupper is not your favorite candy, you might not like this. It tastes very malted. Yeah. But I do love a strawberry candy. There's a thing about Japanese characters that always looks like it's yelling. The candies that Micah sent us all seem very aggressive. Adam, you got four things to pick from. There's one that kind of

There's like an Asian snack mix that I see sometimes at Japanese grocery stores that has little Little slivers like the rice crackers Rice crackers slivers yeah and I really love the this kind of snack mixes it's those just mixed with peanuts and then we've got almond chocolate which looks like just almond dipped in chocolate and we have two kind of I'm gonna say like oh they're high chew so we have high chew here but these may be our flavors that we wouldn't necessarily have it looks maybe like concord grape and orange flavor high-chew really

you know what's messed up is the thing that's got me most interested is the grape high-chew is this gonna be like that scene in in pwee's big adventure? We're standing there smiling at each other while black liquid pours out of our mouths. One of the great scenes. Hatchew does special flavors in different parts of the world. Most notably they make a pineapple version of Hatchew only available in Hawaii.

Wow. Well this is a very distinctly conquered grape tasting candy. But it's not, it's not clawing. It's not. It's not like a grape jolly rancher would be. It tastes like an actual conquered grape. Mm-hmm. This thing is doing weird things to my mouth because I got two fillings this morning and

my mouth is still not unknownnum from that experience. I totally forgot about that. Why did you pick the high chew of all things? It's really messing up my oral sensations. You're Dennis, is this gonna be pissed? I like it. Do you like it? All of this stuff is yummy. Thank you so much for sending that in, Mike. Big fan, Mike. Thank you so much. I'm glad that everything you sent was non-perishable.

I hope to see you and the rest of our friends of DeSoto of Japan on a future tour date. I think that would be something that we both very truly want to do. I would love to learn the Japanese translation of Friends of DeSoto. We'll go over there and get tattoos of the symbol for shame. Wow, well, now that my mechanism is clear, and I'm ready to talk, I'll mic again. Why don't we pivot to show, Ben, and talking about season 2 episode 9 second, site. It's sort of a holiday episode, Ben, because people are observing the fourth anniversary

of the Battle of Wolf 359. Or specifically, almost nobody is. What I was thinking during this scene was that, is this the same day that the Enterprise is celebrating Captain Picard Day? Like, Picard's doing everything he can to just sort of wallpaper over the day, like. Yes, it's for the children.

Maybe if I just made this about all the good things I do, no one will notice what day it is. I'm a role model. Modern culture celebrates tragedy in such a specific way. And as depicted on DS9, this is only noted in a personal fashion. Like when Cisco walks around the promenade later, there's no like flag at half mast or whatever variation of that. Yeah, you would think that the other federations at least would have some feelings for process. Like a sale at the stores at the promenade.

Like, never forget our 30% off sale. Yeah, I mean, there could be like, I mean, you could even have like an episode about that because I think there's like a weird thing with something like 9-11 where like everybody's story feels pretty personal and like there's a weird hierarchy of story because if you lost somebody that is personally known to you, it means something different than if you were like in DC, which means something different than if you were like across the country and experiencing it. And you get in conversations where you just have to like shut the hell up because 9-11 is

much more a thing that somebody else goes with than something that you deal with. I wonder if they would have tackled this in a different way had the show come out after 2001. Right. Because it's something that I would be interested in seeing in how a culture views itself post-tragedy. And by all accounts, this was the worst thing to ever happen to the Federation. Yeah, a ton of people die in that attack.

And it just seems like a very quiet and small personal thing that Cisco and Jake deal with, like they have a little chat where Jake gets up and tells Cisco about a really scary sounding dream that he had. And it's very touching. And it made me think that there's some interest in character development we could see with Jake around the idea of separation anxiety because that's kind of the topic of the dream. Like what does Jake go through when Cisco's like

through the wormhole? Like he's literally like 70,000 light years away sometimes and that's gotta be a kind of a head trip for a character like that. Cisco is so poised that he is a great audience for Jake in this scene, but it doesn't seem like they're they're sharing a grief currency here in a way that that like I wanted to feel more out of them for this moment.

In the same way that anyone describing their dream can be kind of a turn off. Like, there's no way I can process the heightened emotion of you in your dream state. All I can do is just sort of listen. Right, to do my best to empathize with what that must have felt like in the moment. And that's a thing that I think Sisko as a character, he is so poised so often.

And when he allows himself to be not poised, he becomes a caricature in a way that we've made fun of before which is too bad. Right. Well, there's no flag at half mast on the station, but one flag I did notice when he takes his late night walk on the promenade is one of those flags like you see outside of like a metro PCS in a strip mall that says like, you know Unlimited data $40 a month or whatever. I'd never seen this but there was like there was one of those type of flags Like on the promenade in the background And I just I just like that like the one of those type of flags on the promenade and the background.

I just like that one of the worst ways that capitalism is depicted in our time continues into a capitalist place in the 24th century. Look, they did at least outlaw the idea of the guy flipping a sign around while listening to a walkman on the sidewalk. Like, you will not find that guy on Deep Space 9. Yeah. Do you think Cork got censured by station security for having an inflatable flailing arm man

at the bar? You get one of those on the ground floor of the promenade that think could touch the ceiling. Yeah, in there. Yeah. Yeah. It. Very frightening. Morn did not like it one bit. On this walk, Cisco walks around

while the single brass instrument of a widower's walk plays. Yeah, and it's not long before he is, he encounters a lovely lady in kind of a red, onesy with a sheer cape. I don't think I've seen the stars shine so brightly. One thing I noticed about this lady is that her voice sounded super present,

like it was looped. And I wondered if you thought that was a creative choice, like because of the nature of what we find out she is. Fena is played by Sally Elise Richardson, and she is a voice actor. And so one of the things that it made me think was that as a voice actor is your preference to loop your dialogue,

and if she had any choice in the matter. Yeah. She does that thing that we've noticed before in movies and television where when you speak quietly, often that is a looped thing. Well, they're also like walking through the promenade and she is maybe a foot shorter than Avery Brooks. So the the boom pole is gonna be like a couple of feet,

if not a little bit more away from her mouth. And that's not how you get great sound. I mean, it's a lot of the time what you have to work with. But if you're making a show at this level, you might want to go back in and loop it. But I always wonder if it's a creative choice, because sometimes it is. I really like her voice.

She has the the allocation of a voice professional. Yeah. Like she sounds great. She does. You know, I think it's pretty clear pretty early on that Cisco kind of fancies her. She is fanciful in a way that is objectively attractive. She is just very kind and ethereal and just and unknowable in a way that is very attractive. Right.

She's vulnerable and mysterious at the same time. Yeah. The next morning, Cisco is like gabbling around his workplace like a happy dude. Yeah. Like... It's funny how similar he is to Picard in that way. Like any sort of change in disposition while he's at work, he is very noticeable. Yeah, Kira kind of calls him on it.

How come you're drinking Choraltan tea? There's a funny exchange between him and O'Brien where he's like, oh, Brian, you love a bold card. You would just hate working on a space station where everything worked, wouldn't you? And I think that tracks, like, if the John Adams comic, Chief O'Brien at work is any indication, like, there's something for O'Brien at work is any indication like there's something

for O'Brien to do here on Deep Space Nine in a way that there really wasn't on TNG. Everyone assumes something is wrong because he's happy. How sad is that as a concept? It almost makes me feel bad when someone tells me that. Like, oh, I must be kind of a shit most of the other time, right? It's like somebody noticing that you're dressed up. It's like, oh, do I look terrible most of the time? Right, yeah. I think the other variable that I didn't quite get

when we watched this was which specific day that is depicted is the actual anniversary because he's saying, like, I almost forgot that it was happening. And that night, I'm wondering if it was that the night before the anniversary or the night after because if it's the night before he comes into work on the fourth anniversary of the worst thing and he's like hey hey hey here's my people cool let's have some tea yeah and this is another case where the

non-observation of the holiday is weird. Yeah. And when Kira challenges Cisco about his attitude, I felt like that's where it was going to begin. And I thought that's what the problem was that she had with him initially was going to be like when a friend knows that it's the anniversary of someone's divorce or whatever or like their dad died or whatever it is, there's always a sort of like, walking on eggshells in this.

And I thought for sure Kira would challenge him on that, but it was, nope, it was about the beverage. I bet first draft of this script was, the premise was Cisco celebrates the fourth anniversary of Wolf 359 and the death of his wife. And they wrote that and then they came up with this storyline to like undergird it and then rewrote it to like beef up that storyline.

And they did that thing that happens in editing where you forget that your audience isn't getting all of the stuff that you've already thought about with the anniversary stuff anymore because it's been written out. That's my theory. I think that's a solid theory.

Do you think there's a chance that the Borgs took her body and reanimated her? Oh man. Where is that episode? Where the cube pulls up to Dune's 9 and it's- I've watched a lot of Star Trek and it made me actually look this up. Like are there examples of people they thought were dead? Yeah. But the thing is like crew people were lost in these skirmishes with the Borg and then they

they show ships like blowing up and burning in space. So those aren't people that are getting assimilated. Yeah, it would be too cartoonishly horrible I I think, if Borgified, Jennifer Sisko appeared. Yeah, I think that what the, what the Borg are doing at that point are just heading to earth and like ships that get in between them and earth, they're just kind of like brushing aside. Yeah. They're not thinking of those as assimilation opportunities per se, they're just like, in the way.

Right. Yeah. They aren't being very efficient. Right. They know that once they get to Earth, all of this other shit is pretty much academic. So it's kind of a creepy scene between Cisco and Fennah at the very end. It feels like a very large, large situation in that, like in the same way that Pee Wee experiences this super heightened moment with a character that left a huge impression on him.

Yeah. Cisco does the look away and then looks back and Fena's gone. Galdacot, Galdacot, Galdacot. So, we've got kind of, kind of two storylines. I'd hesitate to call one the A and one the B almost in this episode, but to the extent that this one is introduced way later, the B storyline is about this classic scientist old that almost feels like they pulled him straight from like season two TNG.

That is going to reignite a dead star and he has pulled his del soul up to the station to like do some final prep work on getting ready to do this big giant science experiment. I love the idea of an intern being in the writers room going. So how do we, how do we develop the scientist character and everyone like laying back in their seats like, oh God, don't you know he's old.

He has a super attractive wife that's like half his age. We know this Steve. Didn't you read the Bible, Steve? This guy has a nine volume autobiography that tells you anything about his ego. There's that reception scene on the Prometheus, which is his Dell Soul's name, where it almost seems like an improv game of how can we heighten like what an egotistical shit this guy is Yeah, like it's that they talk about like going to see an exhibition of his artwork And it's like I've never seen canvases that big. Yeah

For all of his bluster I found myself liking him just because he was such a cartoon Yeah, he was kind of like a charismatic asshole. Yeah, yeah, and I think I think that's doing part to the performance. Like he really brings him to life. Yeah, his name is Professor Sayotech, and he's done a lot of work in the terraforming game, and now he's in the business of restarting stars. He's kind of what Dr. Timisin was up to in that episode with the Lwaxana Troy.

Yeah. Do you know he read that that actor passed away recently? He did. Yeah, I just read Pete Timisin. Yeah. So Cisco has been preoccupied ever since his first meeting with Fennah. And his first meeting with Fena. I think first and second, right?

Because like he's like in that good mood and then at some point she bumps into him on the promenade again and he like takes her up to the, he shows her his docking pile on. Yeah. Yeah. She's not human. She's pretty close to. She's got like double volcanaires. She's alien in in ways that don't obscure her beauty, you know?

Yeah. In the same way that like, bejorins are sculpted in a way that like preserves their inherent beauty. Everyone looks great in a nose ridge. Yeah. Everyone looks great with a pointy ear. Yeah. We've never heard of her species before on,

I think they name them, but I don't remember what it is. Like, at one point, he's, cause she keeps disappearing on him, you know, like in the, in the dogging pile on, he like asks about her, her past, and she's like, I can't tell you. And then like, like flailingly runs away, very dramatically.

Yeah. Uh, at one point, Cisco is like, Hey, Odo, can you look into this, this girl Fena that I met the other day? Don't have a last name. Don't even know what species she's is or what ship she came in on, but I would love to get a sense of who you think she might be, because I don't know anything about her. I think this is the point in the episode that I wanted to compare this ep with, I think it's cousin, which is the perfect mate from TNG. The thing that made that character so attractive was how, like, in addition to her physical beauty, was like, she was a deeply written person, like, with ideas and thoughts and was

super smart. And at no point in this episode, are we ever given a deeper story to this girl that Cisco's crushing on? Yeah, I don't think that they had to do that necessarily. I mean, I don't think that it takes away from the premise because it's about Cisco's infatuation. And that's significant because he hasn't been infatuated with anyone for a long time. I mean like any time you go on a date and it's one person talking about themselves at length and the other person not talking about themselves at all, that's a bad date. And he's trying to make this a good date.

But as a viewer, like part of your task is to feel the way the characters feel. And I was never infatuated with her like Cisco was. And I wanted to be. Yeah. Well, you didn't smell those pheromones, dude. Cisco does tell Jake that he basically is in love again. I met someone, Jake. Yeah, they're sitting around eating Odo in the morning.

And did you notice that? No. Same oatmeal that nog spilt all over Jake. Gross. If I was Jake, I would never eat that again. Odo should be the doctor. Like he shows up in the toilet bowl. He's like, call an Oscar, be complete.

Looks really good in there. You do have a tonsil polyp, though. Your motility is well within range. Like, you have to shit back in his bucket. Gross. You know what, there's like an intimacy between Jake and Ben Sisko that we've talked about quite a bit. There's the like physical affection that they showed to each other.

But this seemed to be even more intimate than anything we've seen before because it was dad admitting to son that he was in love with someone. Families deal with this, right? Like, it's a negotiation. It's not always easy for kids. It's something that has to be processed and Jake is just like, go dead! Yeah. Which maybe is just,

Jake is a really chill son and like wants the best for his dad. Like, maybe that's all there is to it. But I was surprised that it was never more complicated than that at all. The more we get to know Jake, the more I feel like he might be the most in the D&D parlance, like, good character on the show. Yeah, lawful good. Yeah, he's almost unimpeachably good at every turn. Yeah, it really takes after his father in that way. I like him. I like him too.

I like episodes with him and I want to say more of him. Yeah. Well, so there's this reception on the Prometheus, which is a, uh, uh, and it's a nice hang in a Federation space that we don't often get on this show. I found myself, uh, feeling very nostalgic. Yeah. One interesting thing about the Prometheus is that it's commanding officer is a lieutenant commander. What the hell? DelSoul class starship is sort of a big ride. Like that's a big ship that I kind of feel like needs a captain or deserves a captain.

And this dude, it's like he's not just a low rank officer. He's a lieutenant commander, but he also only has one solid pip and one circle pip. They mispipped him. How does that happen? We have the pips of an officer with a rank of Lieutenant Junior Grade. That's like giving a person with their learners permit, a Lamborghini. Have fun kiddo.

This is way too much ship for him. And everyone on the crew went went to the like they're all Jake molds. They're all slick back. They're all slick. Yeah, they definitely went to the great clips all at the same time And we're just like give us whatever lieutenant commander what's his nose got. They went to Jake clips You may not like the way you look, but you'll look like Jake. So this dinner party so much is made about this recipe that Professor Sayiddick has prepared for this fancy meal and how his wife has made it for them. And we were both watching this episode together, Ben. And it was such a... here comes...

The Big reveal! Yeah, like, who do you think it's gonna be? And it's the lady that we have come to know is Fena, but a very different performance, you know, it's the, she's got a much less exciting hairdo. She's a much more muted colors in her costume. Also, not happy to be there. At first, you get the reaction from Ben Cisco that's like, holy shit, that's her.

No poker face on Cisco. It becomes very clear that it is not the same person and confirmed when at the end of the dinner party, Cisco's like, hey, that was a phone time we had last night, huh? We almost kissed, it was, she's like, no dog. Commander, I don't know what you're talking about. I've never met you before tonight. Interesting that, like, for all the nobility that Sisko has, he treats her having a husband as kind of a correctable situation.

He's like, you know, if you had just told me, I could have beamed your husband off of the ship into space. This is an accident I can make happen. Like, he's never upset about the other man in a way that he could have been. He kind of gets along with Professor Sayatek too. Like, this is a weird moment where it's kind of like, well, like I like that guy and I respect him and everything, but if we really do have this connection, I can let all of that go.

So yeah, it's real weird for him when she kind of throws it back in his face and says, Commander, obviously you have mistaken me for someone else. That's like never something that you say when it's the truth. Yeah. Or the whole truth. Right. There is a deep deep sea story which is like the reason the Prometheus is there is so it can be it can get a slight refit so that it can go faster. Making it to 9.6 is a pretty big deal for them because once they drop this seed into the dead star, they're gonna need to be able to escape

a possible Nova situation. Yeah. And the guy they put on the job is O'Brien. Noted, not warp engineer. Yeah, I've been in LA with very little money lately and when it comes time to buy a car, we may be looking at a possible Nova situation. Right.

Another thing about this ship being at this port of call is that later on it is revealed that no one has left the ship. Yeah. It's not there for days. So. It's a shitty port of call to be in a mission to be on if you can't leave the ship. Hey guys, do you want to go check out Deep Space 9? No.

What? You mean that place with the Klingon restaurant? And no thing. Oh, we'll be entertained by a Ferengy. YEEE. Oh, is that the station that closes at 9 p.m. every night? Yeah, all right. I think I'll just kick it here.

I could get measured for a suit by a Cardassian. Why is it all of the galaxy's villains running the concessions on the promenade on this station? They do have that 40% off sale for Wolf 359 day though. It is probably a 35.9% off sale, isn't it? Like that's how it would have to be. That's pretty fun. Yeah, at the Romulan mattress store or whatever. Say a tech is the only person on this thousand person's

starship that has disembarked onto the station since it put in four days ago. So apparently whoever's running their 10 forward is fucking awesome. Right. And so it sort of informs the next meeting that Cisco has with Fena. When she shows back up, Cisco is a little less interested romantically and a little more intellectually curious about what her deal is. She comes over to his apartment as he's finishing up a long day and I think he's actually just coming back from the dinner party. Right. And the first question he asks is not, why do you only have the one outfit?

It's like that one episode of Seinfeld. I got so many Star Trek episodes relayed to Seinfeld some way, but when Seinfeld. Got so many Star Trek episodes really designed some way, but when Seinfeld dates the lady with the single dress, it's early, let's go out. She's the lady with the single onesie plus cape, which is a really powerful look. The dress that Fena wears was mourned by Antonia Kirk's fake girlfriend from Star Trek generations. These are Caterian eggs, your favorite. That was preparing them to soften the blow. Woo!

Yeah, same dress. Damn. The idea of Star Trek as a production. As a company. Having an Indiana Jones warehouse style facility that just has every costume ever. And all the models and stuff, because it's always like, oh, this model

is from one of the movies, but they like put some other shit on it and repainted it for this episode. To be able to cast someone and go like, oh yeah, you're a size six. Like, I'm just gonna go into the sixes and see what we have, see if something works. And to have that work is crazy.

And this is such a deep cut. That's wild. To get that dress. Yeah. Wow. Well, this scene between her and Cisco, you know, it's initially he's like, what is your deal? But she kind of calms his concerns

and it turns into a make out, but a make out that results in her kind of like turning into blue energy and disappearing, right? It seems like Cisco is freaked out by this in a way that could be seen as like did I just make her explode? I wrote down that this should be terrifying, but then I remembered, oh yeah, it could just be like a transporter technology. Yeah. Like, the idea of somebody disappearing in front of you is like fairly common place in

the 24th century. Yeah, we talk about it a lot like how it would be okay if characters were impressed by things and start trick. And it's also okay if people were are surprised. And Cisco is just so poised here, he's like, huh? If to himself, he just went, when you got a beam out, you got a beam out. This is a fairly tonguey kiss, too.

A tonguey or kiss that you normally get in Star Trek. There's a way that you can shoot kissing that is in profile and then in one quarter. And they sort of one quarter it in a way that you can shoot kissing that is in profile and then in one quarter. And they sort of one quarter it in a way that you can like see inside every brook to his mouth. Like you can see the contraption happening. Yeah, you can see all the way up it. Yeah.

The next time that Cisco and Fena meet, he has the wherewithal to call Dax over. Right, he's got Dax on speed down, he's like, Dax get down here and she comes in and instead of shaking Fena's hand like nice to meet you. Cause Dax has like spotted them walking around the promenade a couple of times, like she's seen, you know, she's like everybody knows that Fena is not a figment of Cisco's imagination.

She has that fun scene with Cisco too about like, why don't you want to tell me about this lady? Is it because I'm a lady? Because I can talk about Guy's stuff too. Yeah, I used to be one of the guys. I still kind of am. You should see me with the fringes. So that's been set up before, like,

like, Dax is as curious as anyone about this lady. She wants to meet her, but it's fun when she enters the scene and just whips open the tricorder without any sort of introduction at all and says Well, Commander Cisco your girlfriend is not a girlfriend at all But in fact a being of pure energy kind of a bummer, huh? So they wind up going to the starship the Prometheus when they get to the Prometheus they see that Nadel is in a

comatose state and the professor is freaking out. Hillfresh, he won't wake up. And this scene goes on a while before he notices the third person that came in with them who looks exactly like his wife and his... The being of pure energy in the room. The being of pure energy in Brightred. Hard to miss. He knows her. Yeah. He's familiar with this particular character. He knows her and does not like her, either.

Yeah. So it turns out his wife's species has an ability called psycho-projective telepathy. And he starts kind of like, psycho-projective telepathy shaming her. Like, I told you never to come back and stop being, stop being around here. And as we continue on in the episode, he like, he has a one on one with Cisco,

where he's like, yeah, it's just because I'm like, such a shitty guy to be in a relationship with. And her species has a mate for life, like from a biological imperative standpoint, kind of species. So yeah, she's really hating life right now because I'm such a shithead. This was such an interesting concept to me. In that, this is a different personification of being with someone and having them daydream about being with someone else.

Like the sort of convincing yourself out of a relationship that happens usually just only in your mind. She's able to project through her alien power. And I wish a little bit more was given to this in that you only see it from his perspective and I wanted to get it a little more from hers. His perspective is so weird too because it's like he is an admitted garbage person but express is no interest in doing work on himself.

It's just like yeah, it sucks. Like she just is gonna have to deal with this until she dies and it's a shame. Like he really feels for her, like he cares about her, but not enough to like take the step of trying to improve how he is to her. Yeah. Like what is that?

Yeah, and this is like his fourth marriage or something? Yeah, he says at one point, he wants to have written as many books as he's had marriages like. Ha ha ha ha ha. Yeah, and so the idea is they've got to put the genie back in the bottle, the genie being fena and the bottle being the del. Right, so they are heading out to this star

and the bridge full of guys with the same haircut are hard at work on the the science and Cisco is down there I guess talking to Fena about the situation and gets a radio from SX that's like hey you better come to the bridge right away. He goes oh yeah why? He goes, oh yeah, why? It's like if I were to if I were to call you and I'd be like hey Ben. Yeah, how's it going? Go on okay, I'm well. How's it going with you? Oh, I just got into a car accident like You can go ahead and begin with the emergency

Like like don't do the don't do the polite pattern. There's an emergency happening here. I would have expected more out of DAX here, with lifetimes upon lifetimes of experience, breaking bad news. The bad news here is that the professor has jaked a shuttle. Yeah. A shuttle with the sun seat in it. The one guy without the jaycare cut on the whole ship.

Yeah, and he's gonna go plant the seat himself. Yeah, it's kinda like that scene where Dr. Crusher goes and flies a shuttle into a sun, except for this one's gonna be fatal and he knows it. And it is like his alternative to talk therapy is, is crash this shuttle into this sun. They don't lock up the shuttle since the Jake incident. Not only that, they're giving contract employees access to these shuttles. Right.

And the ability to lock out the commands on the tractor beam and stuff. Yeah. Can't beam them out. Can't catch it with a tractor beam. And we watch this shuttle just like impact the surface. It's like Genesis device, eat your heart out. This fucking sun turns back on. I didn't think we were gonna see this.

I was very excited by this scene. It was pretty fun. It was a cool effect too. Like the like rocky, like burned out core of the sun, looking like it's catching on fire and then cut to the wide as the flames like encircle the sphere and then it goes to full star mode. For a person who is so into the legend of his own life,

I think the professor really planned poorly by dying on Wolf 359 day, because like there's an entire Wikipedia article on the Federation database about Wolf 359, and then at the very bottom, I was like, also died on Wolf 359 day, four years later. Professor Sayotik, like that's not how you grab the headline there. For best or say a tick, like that's not how you grab the headline there. Other notable deaths on this date.

That's like the, maybe a curb your enthusiasm where a character's like, yeah, my friend died on 9-11. Who's uptown? Yeah. Hit by a car. Exactly. What a shame. The button on the episode is the now widowed,adel. Yeah, speaking of widows and widowers. Yeah, they're having a club meeting on the promenade.

Yeah, it's like a sweet scene. They definitely don't have the spark that Fena and Sisko had, but he's very sweet there. He's like, yeah, she was just like you. And I think she's a little bit relieved. Like she's kind of free now, you know? Relief, but not feeling free to express relief. What'd you make of the lie though?

Cisco tells her that her psychic projection was just like her when she's not. I guess it's a lie technically, but I don't really know like what you would say. Other than she's just like you. I mean, if you look just like her, she was super happy and great. Too bad you're not like that.

She would have to be a projection of her personality and this must be contained inside her on some level. So, I guess that makes sense. Yeah, I don't know that I quite read it as a lie so much as just like the plattitude to punch out of a conversation that could get very awkward very quickly. Because they didn't have a connection on that deep, deep level, you don't get the single brass instrument of forever alone. For Ben Sisko, the episode

just kind of ends. Yeah. Did you like this episode though? You know, I think it starts and it's like that idea of Sisko and his son grieving their lost family member. And then it gets so distracted by this crazy series of events. And I don't feel like thematically it tied back in in a way that felt satisfying to me.

Like I wish, I think that that's such an interesting part of Cisco and to have it just be kind of window dressing for an adventure that I didn't particularly find compelling. Seems like a shame. I think that they could have just do one more script past guys, but write it in such a way where this actually really forces him to deal with something that he is having a tough time dealing with. Yeah, he goes through such a thing and yet by the end it feels empty in a way

that I wish it didn't feel. Yeah, I mean, like the Famke-Janssen character in the Perfect Mate, he's given this character that is, you know, perfectly appealing to him for whatever reason. That's a complicated feeling to have and I don't feel like they dug into that. And I think like you said, like, she's not a very well-realized character on either side. I also just hated the like, hey, we're having a dinner party and this woman is here like bringing plates in

for everybody and then clearing plates after them. Like super retrograde depiction of like what her role is in this marriage. Like, what's that about? Like, why is this just... It's so weird that a show Like, why is this just so weird that a show that celebrates science is so bad with their scientists?

Yeah, yeah, real weird. Did you like the episode? I sure did like elements of it. I mean, it was great to be on a ship again. Yeah. I feel bad about how much I enjoyed that part of it. Because we're gonna be trapped here for a while. Yeah. Don't feel too bad.

Yeah, it feels like this is the first Cisco episode we've had in a while, and I think that's good, because I think we need to start developing as character in a more meaningful way. Instead of Whittower, Ben Cisco, emotionally damaged Ben Cisco, it's time to start coloring in some of his panels and this episode gave us a chance to do that a little bit. I did like that

about it for sure. I want to see if we have any priority one message just now Ben. I fucking do. Priority one message from Starfleet coming in on Secured Channel. Need a supplement only. supplement, supplement? supplement. supplement. Yeah, it's extra. The interest alone could be enough to buy this ship. Ben, our first priority one message is from the warm, honey bosom. Oh, man.

Just for Ben and Adam, the message goes like this. P8. This is the eighth of this crazy series that they've sent. But most of them, I think think go onto the greatest discoveries. You definitely have to be a listener to both shows to even be following this, but also you definitely won't know what's going on. Warm-hunting honey bosom doing their part to make sure we grow the listenership beyond the fence of the greatest generation. Message continues, use dildodo to mix flour with baking powder and salt, fold flour mixture into creamed butter and sugar with eggs on floured surface. Be sure not to over mix flour.

Bake at 350 degrees for 20 minutes or until a toothpick comes out free of flour. Be sure to wash floury hands and oduster. Cool and frost with mint frosting. Share with a binterong. I would not be the warm honeyd bism of a binterong. Yeah. It wasn't mentioned. I would know that that was a fake priority one message.

Had there been no binterong reference? That's the shibboleth that we prove it's the word honey more money to listen with Adam our second priority one message is from AC3 s-quire I'm just for ASB aka penguin face aka a Blorp master general aka a puncher of faces. And it goes like this, sorry for outing the face punching. Hopefully your students don't listen. Thank you for doing and then parenthetically schisms dropped.

The challenge with me. Never would have gotten this far without you, and I'm so proud of what you accomplished. Compared to the challenge, Tenure will be a piece of locale cake. Please do Uxbridge Tenure Committee for real-doll you personally. Oh I see, so they want us to enact a little scene. I'm not on a committee with anybody. The thing about a public company is that the board can vote to fire its presidents and that is a humiliation that I would prefer to avoid.

It's just effective life in a capitalist society that to grow a business past a certain point you need to give up some equity and reduce your own stake in the business and I took some bad advice early on. I lost some close friends who attempted to excise me and rest control of the business. I considered very early on how enjoyable it would be to form a company made up of my friends and family. How would you like to work from home and let your income generate itself? It seemed like a good idea at the time. First you find one friend to work for you, and then they find three more friends.

And before you know it, billions of Hoosnok working for you at the bottom of the pyramid. This was my idea. Ultimately, I had to destroy my pyramid scheme. Well anyways, I have to go forward some emails because if I don't, I'll have terrible luck I'm told. So, uh, I'll just bridge out. If you have a priority one message, you would like us to read on our show. You can go to MaximumFront.org slash JumboTron, where personal messages are a cool $100 and commercial messages are a steal at $200. It's a great, great way

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I mean, I think it sort of has to be the professor. I think Sayatek is the guy clearly having the most fun until he is very abruptly not having the most fun. He really does have a lot of fun. But like he has a great outshot, like his final words are like full of gravitas. And fun, like he knows he is adding to his legend even though like he picked the wrong day to do it. He's like I'm going out like a poet and it's going to be amazing like in this blaze of glory. So maybe I'm going to give my Shimoda to him. What about you? My Shimoda is going to come today in the form of an apology that I think we owe to Mr. Mott. We've dunked on Mott many times on the greatest

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These guys are milk toast for days, and they all have the same haircut, and I think that Mott gets a special citation in drunken charmote-ness for being kind of the the heart and soul of the entrepreneur in a way that I never realized. It was hard to know what we had at the time with Matt and now having seen crew people on a different ship. Absolutely. Great great barber. Best in the business. Best in the fleet. That's a great Shimoda band. A greatest-gen live show is something you don't want to miss.

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Kira is torn when a displaced alien race arrives on Deep Space 9 and claims Bajor as its people's legendary homeland. Or as Netflix has it, when a ramshackle alien vessel is detected making its way through the wormhole, the ship's four passengers are transported to deep space nine. How could you not watch that? Ramshackle is one of my favorite words. Netflix is supported entirely by paying customers.

There's no advertising on Netflix. And you can see how radically that reduces their need to do clickbait. Yeah. Like, don't care if you watch it at all, but this is something that the interns the first 30 seconds of this episode. The capsule for get out is like a young couple

goes to visit her parents. Well, the thing we have we have to do at this point is see in what condition we watch the episode Ben. I do. Well, it looks like we're on square 26. Ben, which by the way, we are doing a terrible job of remembering to go move the little game piece on the website Yeah, I feel I feel like there's got to be some programmatic way where we can say like in another Place on this day it should move to this place and that would just happen automatically Yeah, if anybody knows has like serious Google spreadsheet kung fu and could help us with that Right to Drunk Shemoto Gmailmail.com I think that would be awesome We're also like working on making this game board look a lot better

We had a cool Somebody wrote in like with a way to upgrade the way it looks that I'm really excited about but we just haven't gotten around to it because we've had so much We're really dumb with this fucking game by the way. Yeah, no, it's dumb It's no, I mean like we could set it reminders for ourselves to move the game, by the way. Yeah, no, it's dumb. No, I mean, like we could set reminders for ourselves to move the game piece on show date and we don't. Adam, we've had Max Fund drive and tour stuff. Yeah. This has turned into basically both of our full-time job

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You're required to learn as you play, Role. I have rolled a five. CHULA! Did I win? HALVING! Which skips us over the naked now. No. To square number 31. So an unaltered episode next week that I am personally really looking forward to.

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