The Greatest Generation - This Isn't A Plot, This Is A Holodeck Program! (S1E14)
Episode Date: March 9, 2016Riker never had it so good when he and the away team arrive on Angel One, a planet of statuesque babes and feeble mini-men who could never fight in his weight class. But trouble is brewing as a handfu...l of Federation citizens have shacked up with the local gals, putting Picard in a tough position as far as the Prime Directive is concerned. Speaking of positions, Riker is going through his repertoire with Sarah Connor, the smoldering demagogue that runs the whole planet. Will Wesley (the boy) get in trouble for beaning Picard with a snowball? Will Worf's sneezes break the ship? Can Picard pry Riker away from the planet-sized sexual conquest of all sexual conquests? It's the episode where we argue about Federation immigration policy!
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Today's episode is about season one. Episode 14. Is that 14? I want to get that right.
Oh yeah, season one. Episode 14.
Episode title is Angel 1. Ben, you want to take us through? Yeah, so I guess the ship had,
they've come across the wreck of a freighter called the Odin
which they thought it was crashed seven years ago.
They find this wreck and they discover
that some escape pods have been used.
So they decide to head over to this planet, Angel 1, which the Federation
hasn't visited in decades, but it's the closest habitable planet to where the wreck of the
Odin was found, and they're going to look for some survivors. So they approach this
planet with some caution because Angel 1 is not a space-faring species yet.
They're similar technology level to 20th century Earth and very similar species to humans,
but they're not in the federation.
A lot of prime directive stuff is going to come into play with any interaction with a species like this.
And they get on on FaceTime with the head of...
I guess they don't get on FaceTime, do they?
They just radio up the head of Angel One and arrange to beam down to negotiate for the right to even look around for these survivors.
Right, and they decide to let Troy take the lead on this.
They talk amongst themselves, and they're like, well, planet run by women, a good forward
might be to let Troy take the lead on this, and so that's what they do.
Yeah, exactly. So this is an oligarchy, I think Data says,
that's with women at the top, and all of the things
that are normal to us and our patriarchal society
are flipped on their durned heads in this angel one planet.
Yeah, there's really a powerful message being told here.
So I guess Riker, Yarr, Troy, and Data beam down
to the planet and they meet the elected one
or is that what she was called, the elected one?
I don't know. I Don't know. Yeah, whatever the whatever the fucking the top dog in their society
Sarah Connor from Terminator. That's who she is. That's what we can call her
Everyone knows her in actors. Yeah, it's a different actress, but it's a
very similar like Amy Adams, Ila Fisher type of situation where you could see them both
being cast in a lot of the same kinds of parts
because they are hard to tell apart.
Yeah.
So yeah, and she's initially really not even interested
in admitting whether these survivors being around
is a possibility and they're pretty standoffish.
They seem to have a real chip on their shoulders
about the federation, despite the fact
that the federation really hasn't spent much time
interacting with them.
These are just kind of plot points.
They eventually admit that these refugees
from the destruction of the Odin did in fact land on angel one seven years ago
and they they've been declared fugitives because they don't really fit into the social
structure of this female dominated society.
And we should say that like the casting of this is pretty is pretty fun.
Like all of the women are like really statuesque.
They tend to be very tall and very lovely.
They're wearing super tall boots too.
Like, that's part of it.
Yeah, I guess so.
But all of the dudes that we see that are,
you know, native inhabitants of Angel 1
are super, super short.
Like, they're male gymnasts short.
Yeah. Yeah, they're like, they are, we are the jockeys and the jockeys are super short. Like, they're male gymnasts short. Yeah, yeah, they're like, they are,
we are the jockeys and the jockeys are we short.
We don't ever see where they live.
We can assume underground in a fireball glass tree.
Yeah, they're, they all, they all look of
or related to Clay Aiken, I feel like too.
There's some definite Aiken vibes.
So the OA team really stand out down here.
Do you feel like Riker's finally home?
Yeah, he couldn't,
he couldn't get out of his seat fast enough
to go to the transport room.
Like he was ready for this.
This is a sexual challenge that I don't even know
if Riker had ever considered,
but he's really up for it.
The main character question for Riker is,
can I take on an entire planet?
Yeah, that is every scene, that's the subtext.
So what they learn from Beata is that,
the incredibly rigid hierarchical social structure that they have here on Angel 1 has been deteriorating over the years, but the
the Federation refugees sort of
catalyzed an acceleration in the decline and that's why they're considered sort of enemies of the state.
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Meanwhile back on the ship, Wesley is getting into some high jinks playing snowball fights on the
holodeck and hits Picard in the face with a snowball that you know I guess
they threw it and didn't see that the captain and commander war for I guess
warf is still just a lieutenant captain and lieutenant warf are walking
around in the hallways nearby.
But Ben, do we know where the holodex are in relation to like the ship structure itself? It seems
it seems like when you walk by the holodex you should sort of get that at any point a door might
open and you are either hit with a snowball or something far worse.
Seriously, I know that Holodic 3 is near main engineering because that's where George always sets up his simulations. But that means that there's at least two more and I have
no idea where where there are on the ship. Man, that is some knowledge right there.
Yeah, that's, that's
impressive. That's knowledge that has me forgetting when my father's birthday is
kind of knowledge, you know. That's great. Sorry, sorry, Ben's dad. I think you,
I think you probably guessed that your birthday would be forgotten when,
when Ben started calling himself Wesley
Boy, I hope I hope he's not a listener to this show
So he gets hit by a snowball so does war right or just war if just get the snowball shrapnel
I think worth gets the shrapnel, but as
As Picard shoes Wesley and his little friend away, they smell a smell
that reminds wharf of some cling on flower, I guess.
Which has got to be like the corpse flower, right?
Right.
So what winds up happening is that this is an airborne virus that starts kind of sweeping through the ship.
And, you know, Wurf is pretty soon sick with it.
You know, I think Wesley comes down to the fresh, but then Wurf has it.
Eventually Picard has it, and he has to leave the bridge.
Like, this is the first time that Crusher actually takes Picard out of the command structure
with a medical order, because he has got a pretty
rage and head cold and Picard leaves the bridge
and puts Jordy in command.
There's a very funny scene where Jordy goes
and sits in the big chair and it's like,
they really play it for like,
for like, hey, look at what a cool show we are
that we let a black character be in command very temporarily.
Uh, yeah.
I mean, I will admit, I felt that moment tinged with,
uh, with weight in that way.
Yeah.
I mean, I think it's great for the character of Jordy,
but I really felt the producers padding themselves on the back in a way that kind, I mean, I think it's great for the character of Jordy, but I really felt the producers
padding themselves on the back in a way that kind of skived me out.
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The OATM goes and meets with Ramsey,
the leader of the Odin's survivors.
And...
Let's name the male protagonist figure on the planet
after a popular brand of condom.
That's a great idea.
Yeah, well, yeah, maybe they were thinking of that name for a riker before they decided
it was a little too on the nose.
Oh, that would be great.
But since their citizens of the Federation, but not members of Starfleet, the survivors
of whom Ramsey is the only one that gets really any screen time to speak of.
They refuse to go back to the Federation.
They've made lives here.
Some of them have wives and families.
They recognize that the society that they have adopted is super unjust and fucked up,
but it feels like home to them. And because they are free citizens and don't,
you know, they don't like exist within Starfleet's command structure,
Starfleet doesn't really have any jurisdiction to remove them against their will.
So I thought, I thought Ramsey's was, I'm just gonna keep calling him Ramsey's, right?
That's his name. Ramsey. Something like that.
Singular.
Yeah.
We can cut all that out.
I thought Ramsey was one of the coolest looking people
that we've seen yet.
Like, looks like David Lee Roth.
He's got an awesome biker jacket.
Like, he's super brooding.
Like, he's sort of heroic.
Yeah, he's definitely got the same jacket as
Poe Dameron loses at the beginning of Star Wars,
The Force Awakens.
Yeah.
Like it's like a cool ass jacket
and you wouldn't think less of a stormtrooper
for stealing it from you, you know?
Yeah, I mean, he's drinking meat out of one of those
like big iron cups. I mean, he's drinking meat out of one of those like big iron cups.
I mean, he's been living on his own for eight years.
I don't know, the guy seems really cool.
Yeah, he's chill as fuck.
He's like living in a cave,
swimming on a tanker and standing up for what's his.
He sort of looks like he's living Riker's dream
at the moment.
Yeah, surrounded by babes.
Marooned on a planet made up entirely of powerful women and there's no escape.
Yeah.
Yeah, Riker's just standing behind some foliage to cover up his boner.
Yeah, Riker's like, this isn't a plot, this is a holiday program.
He's just pinching himself the entire time.
So this is a real conundrum because if they, you know, they can't violate these guys'
rights by removing them, but by leaving them there, it means that they're potentially
emparaling our relationship they have with this planet,
which is considered strategically important in the quadrant.
And it's a real conundrum.
So meanwhile, pressure is building back on the ship
because more and more crew members are being incapacitated.
And they've gotten word from Starfleet that
shit's starting to heat up at the neutral zone. So the Romulans are building up a fleet
on the edge of Federation space and there's another ship and an outpost out there but
they're not really any match for what the Romulans are flexing. And the enterprises is required to head over there and put on a show of force.
We're made to think that the Romulans might be as dangerous as the Ferenci at this point.
Potentially.
So they send data back up to the ship because obviously he's not susceptible to this specific
disease. to back up to the ship because obviously he's not susceptible to this specific disease,
even though he was susceptible to one earlier.
And reikers orders are like, get to the neutral zone before it's too late and put a stop
to this situation, then you can come back and get us and we'll resolve this.
But that puts the survivors in a bad situation because the Sarah Connor character
has ordered the execution of all of the survivors of the Odin and all of the wives that they
have taken to kind of put a stop to this problematic movement within their society and culture.
The demonstration of their execution machine is great.
It's sort of like in Data Lore, how Lore wanted to transport a tree outside and then shoot
it with a phaser to demonstrate the enterprises power.
Sarah Connor just put the big potted plant in the suicide booth and then hits a button
and then destroys the plant.
It's great.
No, she doesn't hit a button.
It's her little...
It's Clay-Akin.
Yeah, her little Clay-Akin guy lowers his hand slowly
onto a crystal ball which starts glowing red
and then the thing, and then the potted plant evaporates
into thin air.
Everyone's like, holy shit.
Riker makes this impassioned plea
for the lives of the survivors saying,
like, don't do this.
Even if it's obviously your right to do whatever you want
as the elected leader of your society,
and that's the way the law works here,
but if you kill these guys,
you're gonna make martyrs out of them and that's really stupid the law works here. But if you kill these guys, you're going to make martyrs out of them and that's really
stupid and not worth it.
And she bounces out of there to consider his idea.
And they come back and announce that they're going to take Ramsey and all of his followers and banish them to the far side of the planet where life will be hard, but they won't have any interaction with the oligarchy and they won't threaten Sarah Conner's rule. Yeah, it's sort of a weird, it's not quite a happy ending.
It's like, she basically cops to the idea that they want to slow the evolution of their
society, and this is how they're going to do it by basically marooning these people
out in the middle of nowhere.
So I guess that'll work.
And Ryger gets a good lawyer moment.
I think this is his first time really like stating a case, eloquently., he makes when he's not trying to bone someone. Yeah. I guess maybe
maybe he's so eloquent now because he got that tension out of his system about
20 minutes before. Yeah, he's in a refractory period and that makes his his words
a lot more appealing to the women of of of of Angel one. Yeah. One of the most fun scenes in the whole episode is, uh, is he's, he's,
he sets up a meeting with, uh, with Sarah Connor and, uh, and Sarah has some
clothes sent to him.
So, so Rikers in, in the little condo with Troy and Tasha, and they're like,
you're not going to wear this.
Are you?
And Rikers like, of course, Of course, I do this all the time.
I was on that one planet wearing feathers
and I was on that other planet wearing like,
spiky shoulder pads, like, you'd like,
list off all these examples of times
where he's worn crazy shit.
You're not going to wear that.
Of course, part of this mission is diplomatic.
I have requested an audience with a head of state
and I will honor her by wearing indigenous apparel.
I don't believe this.
You're going to put that thing on and parade around like what of them?
Why what is this attitude on?
On Cabbatris, I had to wear a furz to meet with the leadership council and on armist
nine, I wore feathers.
So we ducked behind the partition, put on the costume, and it is costume and it is awesome.
It's a plunging V that would make the American apparel people blush.
Like it Vs all the way down to the crotch.
And then it's patterns and colors that would make them very excited.
Yeah, it exposes just the left nipple. And boy, like as a man who cannot grow a beard, I see how hairy one commander riker is.
And I'm like, God, I just wish I could do that.
Like very envious of that going on.
So he's like, don't worry.
I've got this cool costume in a meeting set up.
I'm going to keep it professional.
So he goes out to hang with Sarah Connor
who immediately puts the moves on him.
Like in a pretty evident, like,
shit's gonna go down, right?
They lay on the bed, they're talking together.
Riker actually calls what he's doing diplomatic relations,
which is great.
It's almost like smiling and wink at the camera
before turning back to Sarah Connor and making out.
And they do one of the classic naked gun transitions.
Like they don't dissolve to an oil Derek pumping,
but they train going into a tunnel.
But they do, they do like a full two second dissolve to a campfire.
We'll be back with the Ramsey's character. Yeah. Oh, it was, that was really nice. I enjoyed
that scene quite a bit. Yeah. I would say that the other really genuinely enjoyable moment in
this, in this episode is the scene when Wurf is sneezing on the bridge because they
dove in like amplified lion roars every time he sneezes.
And I love the like Wurf is a big dude but he's not like significantly huger than anybody
else on the ship, but they make it sound like his sneezes
are deafening and audible throughout the enterprise.
They serve superimposed.
Jordi implies that other people
and other parts of the ship can hear him.
Fishtnery reports computer math.
I'm sorry. Getting sick.
I'm sure after ship knows that by now report to sick Halo tenant.
Engineering to bridge.
This is also the second episode in a row where there's sneeze humor.
Like we didn't go over it last time, but in the data lore episode,
one of the scenes is data stating in front of a mirror,
trying to sound authentic when he sneezes,
and he can't quite pull it off.
I feel like there's a writer in that writer's room
that's constantly trying to force in some sneeze references
because this is due on a row now.
It's either that or there's a writer
that everybody hates that's constantly sneezing
and they're kind of,
kind of kind of subliminally writing it into episodes.
God, Dave is so stupid.
I can't believe it came to work sick.
How is it going to get all of us sick?
Yeah.
I think that the thing that I think is interesting about this episode, you know, it's sort of
on its face meant to be kind of thought-provoking about gender issues, and
I don't think it quite succeeds at that.
But it does raise some interesting ideas about freedom of movement.
I think that the Federation has pretty interesting standards with regard to that.
Like, they can't just tell one of their citizens what planet they can and can't be on,
which has got to be a headache for Starfleet if they're going around trying to enforce the
Prime Directive, but anybody that's outside of their command structure is not bound by it.
And, you know, like there's plenty of people
in the federation that have spaceships
that can get to these planets.
So, it's a, I don't know, I thought that was interesting.
An interesting thought experiment
sort of makes you think about like an individual's rights
to movement.
And I thought it was like maybe unintentionally
more thought provoking than, uh, it needed to be on that, on that tip.
I like the idea of unintentional thought provoking.
That's great.
I think, I think you're right.
And this is another example I feel like of the show bringing up an issue but not
really going all the way in on it.
I mean, is it enough to have an episode concerning gender roles and relations and have
Riker fuck one of the women?
Like is it enough to have an episode that has some racial inequality references and then have a super clumsy fight
to the death with the people.
Like, the show at this point seems to raise the conversation, but doesn't really take it
seriously enough to resolve it in any satisfying way.
They just sort of bring up the topic and then they sort of play it out in any satisfying way. They just sort of, they bring up the topic
and then they sort of play it out in their own way
and they don't resolve it in a way that satisfies,
at least at this point, I think,
I think we both know that this show gets a lot better
at that kind of stuff, but for now,
I think it sort of seems satisfied enough
to just sort of have it involved,
but not be able to really have a message
about it one way or the other.
Well, I have good news for you Adam.
We are officially across the halfway point for season one, and not to say it's all downhill
from here, but we've got a lot of space camp.
Yeah, exactly.
We'll acclimatize for the rest of the journey from this point.
Is that what those headaches have been about until now?
Yeah. That and the auto-oroticous fixation belt you have around your neck.
Right. Right. Don't leave home without it. Drunk Shemota is the time in the show where we recognize an achievement in character development
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or just being weird.
So Ben, do you have a Drunk Shemota?
Drunk Shemota! So Ben, do you have a tronk Shimoda? I really struggled to come up with one.
I didn't write one down.
Grasping at straws, I'm going to say it's maybe the combination of y'all and Troy, who
sort of reduced themselves to giggling like schoolgirls when they see Riker dress up in
the traditional costume of this society.
And I feel like it's maybe just,
I don't know, it seems like if the gender roles were reversed,
it would be like a really disgusting show of male showvinism.
And you would think that a writer that is going to tackle an episode
where the society is misandrist in the way our society is misogynist would have the wit
to see what they're doing in that moment.
Yeah, that's a great nom. And I agree with you on those points. To me, no one else could be drunk
Shimoda besides Riker, because he's got that confidence
of, I think we all know this person,
like the guy at the party who's like,
no man, I'm fine to drive.
I'm all right, like nothing bad's gonna happen to me.
And that seemed to me as the scene where he puts on the costume
and somehow makes the case that he's not gonna go fuck
Sarah Connor in that moment.
Like no, no, it's diplomatic relations, I promise.
Like everything's gonna be cool.
Like he's got that level of bullshit hanging off of him.
While his nipple is hanging out, And to me, nothing could be more drunk
than that.
Yeah, it's just so, I mean, you know,
if I'm standing in a room with that man looking at that
nappy nest of chest hair, I'll believe anything he tells me.
Yeah, yeah, eat it up.
Come with me if you want to live.
Come with me or come on.
I'm the cutest aboard.
You are bored.
I am the cutest aboard.
You will assist us.
Ben, what are we going to come up next
on the next exciting episode?
So the next episode is entitled 1-1-0-0-1-0-1,
which at the end of Datalore they're like off to go get their
computer refit, and I feel like this was what they were
talking about, so the Enterprise is hijacked by an alien
species who need the ship's computer to regenerate the one damaged
on their own planet.
So what I remember about this episode is that this species are called the binars and there's
a pair, they're like in pair groups and they are super advanced and speak to their pair
bonded counterpart in binary code and are great at fixing computers, but their own
computers fucked up and it's killing their planet. So they decide to hijack the enterprise.
And the way they distract the crew is, I guess most of the crew is on shore leave, but they
get Picard and Riker kind of duking it out over a babe in the holiday.
I remember this episode better than maybe any other episode in the first season.
And honestly, I think it might be one of my favorite episodes of the whole season.
I love it. And the reason is, it's a heist episode.
Totally. I love a good heist. Yeah. The idea of stealing a starship,
like I thought was super cool and the idea that, and even more, like no one's on board the ship
except for Riker and Picard as far as I remember. So like you're on this giant ship,
you're by yourself, it's been hijacked. Like, I think that's just cool,
no matter what genre you're in.
And for that reason, it's one of my favorite episodes
of the entire series.
Um, the release, or the reception, I mean,
was just as favorable.
I mean, people are saying it came very close
to being a really good episode.
And easily season one's best and most memorable.
Right. What do you think? Do you like it? I like it. I remember that lady being a
real attractive babe and there's a lot about right? Right? It's like
setting a jazz club I think. So there's a lot of, you know, Riker, Plain, is Trombone, which is always fun.
The Trombone, of course, being the soprano sax
of brass instruments in terms of suggestiveness.
Yeah, absolutely.
And I think the, it's like an interesting alien species
that they're interacting with. And I think it's like an interesting alien species
that they're interacting with. Maybe a little bit preposterous
that the alien species that is best at computers
is the one that needs help with their computer,
but I forget quite how they justify it,
so maybe that's okay.
Yeah, I'm looking forward to rewatching this.
Me too.
Make it sound, make it sound.
Make it sound. As we stagger to the finish, I just want to thank everyone
for listening, and if you have any thoughts or comments, be sure to reach out to us on
the Twitters. I'm cut for time. Ben is Benjamin R. A.H.R. Is that your Twitter handle? Am I
correct in that? That's correct, yeah, and we've been using the hashtag greatest gen, which is kind of an
embarrassment because there's a lot of people mourning their World War II fighting grand
fathers on it, but also us making dumb Star Trek jokes.
It's a real good mix.
Yeah.
If you've ever had an awkward moment at the Thanksgiving table with your grandpa,
it's basically the Twitter equivalent of that.
Yeah, so go check that out.
Leave us an iTunes review if you really want to stick it to us
and make even more people listen to this embarrassing and embarrassing show.
Yeah, we got a great review that I just read, which was calling this the real life equivalent
of the Chris Farley show, which was my favorite review that I've read so far.
So I just want to say thank you for that.
And do you remember that time where we recorded a Star Trek podcast
been? Uh yeah. That was awesome. Uh that's about it for me. I'm Adam
Franica. I'm Ben Harrison. See you next time. See you next week. Make it sound, make it sound. Make it sound. Make it sound.
Make it sound.
Yo, make it sound.