The Greatest Generation - Tongo Cuck (DS9 S6E16)

Episode Date: June 1, 2020

When newlyweds Worf and Dax are ordered to take a road trip, they have a hell of a hard time agreeing on a podcast to listen to. But when O’Brien uses Dax’s absence to try to get in on Quark’s standing tongo game, Bashir will have to fall in love with a different golden substance. How do you plan a honeymoon when men are from Q’onoS, and women are from Trill? Where’s the beef between O’Brien and Quark? If you hit triangle over a Jem’Hadar, what kind of loot do they have? It’s the episode that reiterates, once and for all, that we didn’t know. 🖖 Get tickets to GreatestGenKhan II: Star Trek III! 🖖 Follow The Game of Buttholes: The Will of the Prophets! Support the production of The Greatest Generation. Music by Adam Ragusea & Dark Materia  Follow Adam and Ben on Twitter, and discuss the show using the hashtag #GreatestGen! Facebook group | Subreddit | Wiki Sign up for our mailing list!

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So Star Trek Podcast from a couple of guys who are a little bit embarrassed to have a Star Trek Podcast and a little bit embarrassed to open their podcast the way I just did. I'm Ben Harrison. I'm Adam Pranica, there's nothing I can do about it when you open a show this way, except you can't help me. Just sit back and watch. I hoisted myself on my own, Paterd. That's what happened today.

You're a voice acting professional. I mean, you take those kind of risks. I would say that I am not a voice acting professional because no one has ever paid me to voice acting professional because no one has ever paid me to voice act. I mean, you're the, you're the main impression here on the hip podcast, friendly fire. You have a number of great impressions on this very show. The greatest generation is a funny term. I think it's what you're known for. Adam, we tried all day to solicit five star review questions for our hit open

Marin segment, Ben and Adam answer questions from our Apple podcast reviews. As far as I can tell, we had no takers. Nobody had a question for us that was burning so hard that they that they would go to Apple Podcasts and leave us a five star review for it. John Adams' reply was more of a comment unless of a question in wondering whether or not a five star review was compulsory in getting a question read on air. Always cutting that John Adams. Never not a little bit cutting with Chief O'Brien at work cartoonist John Adams. That's the brand promise of Chief O'Brien at work. Yeah.

You know what you're going to get? And I know what I'm going to put into my mute filter, which is, does it have to? Is the new phrase to be screened. You posted a screenshot of your mute filters the other day and those the first time that I saw that that wasn't just a bit. No, it's the right. You actually do put phrases into your mute. Absolutely. Absolutely is a real thing.

Yeah. Do you do you remember the phrases that p us? Let's see. Very disappointed that. Did you know that? Mm hmm. Why didn't you say? Yeah. A lot of things in that neighborhood. Yeah. Oh, that's a shitty neighborhood bin. That's probably the only neighborhood we could afford. At this point. Speaking of brand promises, do you know the brand promise of the greatest generation?

It's that we didn't know that. Dot, dot, dot. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's, we don't do research. We, and that's, here's why. I mean, I don't know if we've said before why we don't. It's because it's impossible to do an amount of research that would limit the why didn't

use of the world. Yeah, and I think also our goal is to have a fun conversation. And if it's just about finding the most number of facts, that's not as fun as speculating about how many balls Warf has. Y'all know which shows you can go to for that kind of information. It's not this one. It's down the street.

Adam, so in lieu of answering questions from our Apple Podcast review, Marin, I thought we could do a raskin open. It sounds like someone's been for a walk. I have just had the most remarkable experience. For a few moments I actually felt the air currents beneath my wings. The exhilaration of soaring above the tree tops. I went on a social distance walk with a friend the other day, and we went down to Echo Park Lake where as of this recording, the birds are all having babies. The birds are fucking like rabbits, lots of gozzlings around and a few ducklings, Adam.

Hey. And ducklings are really fun to watch, you know, learn how to be ducks. And we set on benches that were more than six feet apart. The raskin' benches? Yeah, on the raskin' benches? Yeah, and they're asking benches. And we were watching some like two grown ducks who were like fully like fighting each other. And one of them was definitely like, definitely a girl mallard duck.

You know, like the mallard where there's the, the male is green, has got some green feathering. And then the girl has kind of a more modeled brown feathering. Right, this is an animal for which the man species is the better looking of the two, yeah. Yeah, a dynamic, not reflected in either of our marriages, but that's how they do it in their family. In my marriage, I'm the one with the cloaca.

This mallard was in a fight with another duck that I'm... I think was a different species of duck, because it didn't really look like a girl mallard or a boy mallard. It was another brown duck, and they were fully fucking fighting, which was crazy because she had like, the the male had maybe two dozen babies, like a real big school of little ducklings who were kind of caught in the middle of this fight.

And I was like, this unfolded like a, like an epic war movie the way this went down because we're watching these two ducks fight and the babies panic and try and figure out what to do. When dad, the other male duck, comes out of the trees or something, swoops in and starts fighting alongside his main squeeze against this, against this third duck, this unknown species duck. And the babies got so freaked that they, that they like left, they, they started,

they hopped off the lily pads that they were hanging out on and started swimming for some nearby reads. And the fight was going on rough enough that the three of those ducks all went off in another direction. And we just watched as the babies like were basically abandoned by their family swimming off into these reeds.

And then the mom duck comes back, finds the babies, and then the other, the attacking duck, finds her. And the attack goes on. It was unbelievable. attacking duck finds her and the attack goes on. It was unbelievable. We wound up staying and watching until the dead duck, like, found his way back to where they all were. And then this is what happens when you tear up an entire loaf of bread and then sprinkle it onto a group of two dozen baby ducklings.

I will tell you, it takes everything in my being not to scold people for tearing up loaves of bread and feeding them to the ducks. Yeah. I mean, that's, that's an old person's hobby right there. For some, it's all they have. It's all they have. It's not good for the ducks, but, uh, apparently it's good enough for old people that you can't get in trouble for it. Uh, don't, don't turn this into another one of your classic Benjamin R. Harris and Screeds against

the olds. You know what grinds my gears. But yeah, it was amazing. It was, I mean, I was convinced at certain points that these babies were going to be motherless or fatherless or parentless entirely. What are you thinking of? A different point of getting in on this, like physically. I mean, it was mostly happening over the water, but a couple of times the fight did make

it up onto the grass, and I probably could have, like, intervened, but I don't know what I want. What I want. What I want. Are you a man gets giardia from Echo Park Lake. Are you a man has asked kicked by duck? We usually choose not to name the victim out of respect to their families, but in this case, we must join the humiliation. Aria Star Trek podcaster. Humiliated by Duck. What's the most humiliating part of that description? I wonder.

Hard to say, it was very dramatic. And it was kind of amazing that it all just went like like it told a whole story right in front of me You know, you know, I mean we've learned this from from even hit somewhere blockbuster's been nature Finds away It does Sure does I think that these ducks know something about three-act structure that even Star Trek could stand to learn something from. And I really appreciated that about it.

Wow. The B story of this is just you and your distance, what, companion, watching and doing nothing. Why is cracking at the ducks expense. As headless ducklings are being tossed into the echo card lake one by one. Yeah. When they drain and drag the floor of that lake a couple years from now, they'll find lots of discarded firearms that have been used in murders and headless ducklings. We're gonna need as many ducks as we can get so that they can help us against the upcoming

murder hornet apocalypse. Oh yeah, yeah. Ducks love eating murder hornets. One of the many apocalypsees of the year 2020. Things are not going as bad for the crew at deep space nine though Adam yeah they are going for us here in 2020 America, do you want to go? They're going as well on DS9 as our show is with that pivot I'm gonna get into this episode. Yes, let's. It's Deep Space Nine, season six, episode 16, change of heart.

Two. What, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, episode of Star Trek, ever is the set of stars. Wow. Isn't that amazing? That's amazing. I think someone miscounted. You must have done some research to find that out. 500th is what I read. 500,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, Getting from wound 500. You want to start your 500th episode with something that reminds people of the prestige and grandeur of Star Trek. So what better thing than a game of tango in Porx Bar? Is that a joke?

Do I look like I'm joking? You can speak to this band about how much fun it is to watch someone else gamble. This episode definitely asks you to buy that that is a thing. I know this for some people. There's a world series of poker that people watch. There's a bunch of Ferangie sitting around

with hooded sweatshirts and sunglasses that have holograms that make it look like their eyes are cobras. I am famously a degenerate gambler from back in the day and I can tell you that my levels of depravity do not get to the point where I enjoy watching gambling at all? I do not like to watch. Who does though? They like watching it in rounders, right? Sure. I mean, there's a type of gambler that really enjoys it, and I'll admit, on occasion, like at the, you know, toward the end of a poker tournament that I've spent hours playing,

if I get knocked out, I will stay out of curiosity to see who might win. But I'm not like at a table game or something, like I'm not going to hang out and watch my friends play Blackjack, for example. You would ask your friends to watch it, though. Perhaps is the only game that's fun for an audience, I would say. But that's only if the audience understands how it works, which very few do. It's an almost totally incoherent, inscrutable gambling game.

My understanding of Crap's begins and ends with, if you wanna win, you gotta play. I mean, you just like hanging around Crap's pits, because you wanna blow on people's dice. Yeah, I do have a king for blowing on fists. The design of Tango is fucking mental, right? Like, there's like piles of different shaped cards, there's square cards and cards that looks like

you could insert them into the view master. Yeah. The entire board rotates. It's not just like a spinning ball and a thing. It's like everything rotates. There are so few games with wheels. Right? What is there? There's life. Life has a wheel. Yeah, I guess of the gambling games, there are wheel-based games, but the wheel sure does make it fun, right? Yeah. It seems like the wheel sure does make it fun, right? Yeah, it seems like the wheel also rotates both ways,

which I feel like would get really confusing. I wonder if anybody has ever actually back-designed tango based on what we see people doing in the show. What is confront, what is evade, what is putting an index on the margin or whatever. I really like the game and I really like what we know of it just based purely on what context we're given. Like the vocabulary involved seems very authentic given the cultures that enjoy playing it. I mean, you don't need to know how it works

to get a sense for who's winning and who's losing. It's a fun, like, writerly background thing, I think, to have people doing to get them together that doesn't feel totally fucked out, you know? Right. And I think that, like, with a real game, there's a temptation to try and actually like have like an actual scenario play out in it. If you're depicting like a poker game, you know, that's the danger, right?

Like you couldn't have them play a real game because you'd have to keep track very carefully of who's up and who's down and who's turn it is and stuff. But with them, you almost have to determine the order of the cards in the deck in the scripting process or something. Yeah, you don't have to worry about that in this case. Yeah. I think it's a great point. So who DAX is playing this with a bunch of Frankies and Quark and up on the second level of Quark's, Brian and Worf are. Hold on a second, I just came up with something. Okay. Worf is kind of a Tango Cuck, isn't he? Hahaha.

Got you, Emmett. Just swooping in for the title of the episode. It just came to me. Oh, yeah, cool. Great. O'Brien's like uncomfortably standing next to Worf. Like, are you sure you just want me to watch with you? Do you want like a tissue for your tears or anything?

Or, no, that's part of it. That's part of it. Wharf is like sticking himself through the bars of the balcony of Quark's bar, like to feel, to feel something. Ha, ha, ha, ha. They're betting on decks. Worf Worf is very confident that she's going to win this game.

And her brands like, what are you talking about? Like, like she's the Cleveland Browns and Quark is the New England Patriots. Yeah, I mean, the matter of the streak is brought up as a defense. The idea that Quark has won over 200 games of this. What chance does DAX have in breaking this streak, but Wharf has a lot of faith in his wife's abilities. The faith that Wharf has in DAX being planted here as the A story and the nascent interest that Chief O'Brien has in Tango being planted here is the B story.

Very seldom do you get the A and the B kicking off in one scene. Pretty fun. Yeah. DAX is unable to break Quarks' streak and something happens here, Ben, that is maybe Quarks' most unforgivable sin. It's got a long list. He allows DAX to believe that she's won

and then slow rolls his winning hand onto her as she's like gathering the money out of the pot. That is like you can't do that if you're gambling in real life against people. You will get a beat down in the parking lot. What kind of fucking mobbed up card games are you playing in, man? It's just something you understand when you play social gambling games as you never slow roll like that. It's taken something you understand when you play social gambling games as you never slow roll like that.

It's taken with great offense. There's some true, strategic to being like, well, I'll call your thing. Right. And raise it. That move is not allowed at a poker table. It's called string raising. That's what I'm saying. It's for that very reason.

You can't do a move like that because it gives you information you shouldn't be having. You have to have all your chips in the hand at the same time. The aftermath of this is not terrible though, right? Because Dax doesn't really give that much of a shit about losing. And they go, she and Wurf had back to quarters and are doing their Nightly routine where they each brush their hair and And Wurf I like how they each have a little vanity. It's fun Wurf's vanity includes a little a little crash a little K-lash crash Uh-huh kit kill kill crash

Yeah, it taxes like train have a conversation with him and realizes that uh, that he is, he is in communication with a higher power. Uh, so she, she, she has to, she has to stop talking to him and he turns around and says, I told you when we got together, baby, you were going to have to share me with every warrior in this quadrant. This pre-bedtime routine pivots into a pre-fucking routine, which, which came as a surprise to me. I thought, uh, I thought Warf already blasted up in that balcony watching the game. It's not the case instead. I don't feel like talking anymore. He hops under the giant bear skin comforter that he has on his bed.

They definitely have a sort of gengus con war tent in a movie kind of bed. Great setup. Yeah, it just looks way too hot. Yeah, I would. I mean, they actually talk about their, their non-compatible temperatures later on in this episode. But I don't see how, I don't see how Dax is comfortable with this at all. No, it looks awful. Yeah. They get woken up in the wee hours by

Major Kira who needs them both to come up to ops. This is a great bit of military efficiency that their marriage has built in here, is that Major Kira doesn't need to summon both officers. She can just summon one and she knows both will show up. Warf is a little later than DAX because when Kira wakes them up with the message, she's like, I did not urinate after intercourse. Therefore, I am in grave danger of a UTI.

That's why you see him check in the cranberry juice just at the mission. Yeah, everybody assumes it's blood wine and that's how he gets away with it. Warrior String. Gold to cotton. The cotton. Gold to cotton. So the Starfleet intelligences have been receiving encrypted

communicates from a Cardassian double agent, Lassarin, who has been sending them like incredibly valuable information about what the Dominion is up to. But now he wants a face-to-face meeting. There's some fun op-secondness. He's going to beam a communication thing to a specific coordinates outside the badlands. Somebody needs to be there in person to receive them.

That's going to be Wurf and Dax. It's a road trip, Ben. It's a road trip, Ben. It's a road trip and a run about because all their good ships are off doing stuff. Yeah. I guess Cisco's in command of the D right now. Is that? Yeah, it used to be.

What's going on? Dax would get those missions. Or Wharf. And then she'd get rewarded with those giant pipes. Now it's Cisco getting all those pipes. You don't throw something like this way. So they head out to the badlands, and this road trip starts like many husband and wife road trips, which is just trying to get the banter going in the car.

We'll probably have to put on a podcast or something later, but for right now, it would feel bad if we couldn't just have a conversation with each other. Yeah, save the podcast for when you really need it. Now, it would feel bad if we couldn't just have a conversation with each other. Yes, save the podcast for when you really need it. Thing is, DAX and Wurf don't listen to the same ones. So it's just another reason to argue. It's no fun. Yeah. You ever do that thing where you find a third kind of podcast that neither of you listen to? Yeah, and neither of you are happy because you aren't listening to what you really want to listen to. Yeah, and neither of you are happy, because you aren't listening to what you really want to listen to.

Yes. Compromise. Yeah, they use the time to plan their honeymoon and they have what I believe to be a pretty common marital confrontation here about the nature of a trip and the many forms it can take. I think personally, I'm a vacation man. When I travel, I like to go and relax. And this is different from my wife who happens to be like a more tourist-oriented trip

taker. She wants to see and experience. She wants to do all of the things that you do when you go to pizza. Right, and this is familiar to me watching Dax and Wharf argue about their honeymoon because Dax is a vacation honeymooner and Wharf seems interested in making it a trip and experience. He wants to suffer. She wants to be indulged. Right.

There's not like a midpoint between those two. You, uh, it's a binary. I mean, you could extrapolate that into the marital bedroom fairly neatly, I think. I guess in the marital bedroom, she's the one doing all the suffering because of that extremely overheating fur blanket that they have to sleep under. Right, and the two loved cocks. I mean those are loved for her pleasure, Adam. Dax has already made a decision.

It's Casperian Prime for them. The vacation capital of the whole variant cluster. And Wharf quickly agrees. His agreement is so fast that it makes Dax kind of question this overall personality change that he's demonstrated lately. He's just far too agreeable to things. It's almost as if he's been married for a very long time in the way he's just kind of avoiding the conflicts whenever possible. He's been married for a very long time and in quarantine for most of that. Yeah. Oh.

I kind of got the feeling that he'd like read one book about how to be married. Yeah. And it was just like following the instructions to the letter and not adapting them to his lifestyle. I have to make certain adjustments in my lifestyle. Unfortunately for his agreeable as Wurf has been, he also does the kind of scorekeeping that you just can't, you can't ever admit to doing the kind of scorekeeping

he does in this conversation because he starts doing the list. And look who's talking. And you can't do the list at your partner because that is a disaster. You can't doing the list. And look who's talking? And you can't do the list at your partner because that is a disaster. You can't do the list and you can't bust your wife's chops, mid-argument.

Like, like you could bust your wife's chops if part of your relationship and that's a fun thing you guys do, but introducing the bits into the argument does not work. Right. I didn't expect you to surrender so quickly. Surrender. That worked.

Back at Casa de O'Brien. I am Chief Miles Edward O'Brien. This is fucking spectacular. It's Bashir and O'Brien having their own argument over what to do with their free time. Yeah, Bashir shows up in his evening wear. he's ready to engage in one of his spy thriller hollow suite programs, but the chief is hitting the books. He's studying out on Tango because he's obsessed with the idea of beating Quarket Tango.

This doesn't seem like the sort of game that you learn by sitting with an instruction manual. You know, like this seems like exactly the kind of game you need to go into a hollow suite and practice for real. I think Kalimini's performance here is really admirable because I think that there's a writer mistake in the choice they make in this episode, which is, I don't think that O'Brien is filled with the kind of hubris of a guy who goes to an NBA game and goes, you know, I'd like to take Michael Jordan on one-on-one,

you know, like, that's not really his character, but somehow he carries this across and makes you believe that this is what he's fixated on right now. It could so easily work more neatly with this personality if it were made into more of an engineering problem, right? If O'Brien is a person who likes to solve problems, who studies things and then fixes them or finds more efficient ways to do them, like I could see a game like this being very intriguing to someone like him,

but there is no such parallel drawn between the interest here and his character. Instead, it's about kneecapping quark. Like he wants quark to lose. That's his motivation. Yeah, but he also like has never been like, he's never been in like the top two of characters that hate Quark. That's always going to be Odo and Kira. Yeah, I mean, you think that

it was Quark's fault that that he served a lifetime sentence in a in a mind prison with how much he wants to get back at him. I want to beat Quark. It's the stick at the quark and the doctor is persuaded to at least try a game of tango for this reason. All right, let's play. I'll do this. This is my favorite part of the episode is is Bashir glancing at the instructions for this very complex game and going like, all right, I'm ready to play. Skipping the two-hour settlers of Catan bullshit that you have to sit through every time you

play it once a year to figure out how it works. And by the time you've sat through that, you've had like two and a half beers and you're already kind of not equal to the task of playing settlers of Catan. I tip my hat at the complicated board game players in our lives. We're friends with many of them Ben, but I just, I don't have the energy for that. Before the lockdown started, I played a game of monopoly with an eight-year-old, and I was like, this is more fun than I remember, but I also don't see myself playing another game of monopoly at any time soon. Yeah, I mean, that was you and our one.

I would have liked to have checked in on our four Benjamin R. Harrison. see myself playing another game of Monopoly at any time soon. Yeah, I mean, that was you an hour one. I would have liked to have checked in on our four Benjamin R. hearsay. And and it was like me playing the game of Monopoly full time and her like playing it for three seconds, then like running and getting a stuffed animal and showing that to me, you know, then telling me about a movie she saw, then playing her hand. You're monopoly dungeon master. Also, you were, you were doing it all. You were doing it all. Making sure that, that, that a kid doesn't steal from the bank.

Oh yeah, kids will try anything. Should've been your job primarily. In the runabout, they get their FaceTime from Laceran, this Cardassian who is betraying his people in order to, I guess, stick it to the Dominion. We don't really get his motivations, do we? We don't, but his attitude is such that I liked him immediately. Yeah. He was very put off by the entire circumstance.

He got the one Klingon and Starfleet, which had to be a really unpleasant surprise. Why did they have to sit clinging on? I'm a trail. Does that make you feel any better? I like this kind of vibe to a character on this show. Like this person is extremely stressed out. Their life is in danger. They need to work quickly.

They're impatient with these new people he's being asked to trust. This seems very real. Yeah, it does. And I think also real that a starfleet who lives a comparatively comfortable life and isn't worried about every single person around them would have like a bit of a hurdle to get over empathy-wise with somebody like that. Yeah. and Starfleet being Starfleet, they just eat up all the shit that he's doling out to them. Tell us, that of course we'll meet you on this planet you're fleeing to. Of course, we'll land the shuttle there in the jungle and walk in. It's fine.

Just tell us where to be and when. This mission is getting more complicated all the time, but they're game for it. Dex is like, is there any chance you'd want to abscond to Casperian Prime? I mean, that would really... That'd be very convenient for us. Yeah, you could probably get a second hotel room. I'm not really

sure if it's in the budget, but that's kind of where we were headed anyways. Yeah, there is not a lot of collaboration on this planet all. It's Lissarin telling them what the plan is and to be there or be square. And they need to agree to it now because they're all three of them are going to go radio silent and they need to stick to it now, because they're all three of them are gonna go radio silent, and they need to stick to this. What's they do? He basically tells them like, on this day at this time,

I'm going to leave the compound and walk into the jungle. And if you're not there to meet me, they're gonna kill me. And this great information about where all the founders in the Alpha Quadrant are and what they're up to will be lost. That's great information.

Yeah. I would pay top dollar for that information. I would rent a guy a hotel room on Kasperian Prime for information like that. I might stick a bigger ship in a larger crew on an information, on an information gathering mission like this. I might dispatch, say, a worship with a cloaking device into Cardassian space for a mission like that. Where are you gonna get those kind of materials, Ben? Back on the station Bashir and O'Brien have started their fun, fun game. And no shocker, Bashir is way better at tango than O'Brien is.

Yeah, he's great. And it feels very related to the conversation that O'Brien and Bashir had in that uncomfortable X-Men episode, that uncomfortable X-Men episode where like O'Brien understands that he would be overmatched if he played, he may even have an assumption that Bashir would be too, but he does not bend to what a statistical likelihood is. Right. In any area of his life. Yeah. And so he pivots into Bashir being the race horse for tango. Yeah.

We can beat him. We. That is just, he wants to be Bashir's coach. And he needs to figure out a way to get Bashir as interested in sticking it to Quark as he is. And they just basically make it a race war thing. Right. The thing about Farenki urine is that it is very unpleasant to drink.

It's no prize to me, miles. I'd rather drink platinum, to be honest. Moan has been telling me about its flavors and it sounds rather delightful. The thing that intrigues me most is its body temperature. Ha, ha, ha, ha. I like to get mine straight out of the mouth. Oh, God.

Back on the Shenandoah, we've got to get through this asteroid belt before getting to Sikara, and they do. It's another reminder of what a great pilot dax is. Yeah, 300 year old pilot, and kind of a hot rudder. In fact, it could go faster. By all means. This plant sucks, though, because the base on Sikara

is surrounded by the shield, and they can't land the runabout inside the shield. They get to land very far away in the jungle and it takes a two day walk through it to get to the rendezvous point. I would say that Lacerin fucked the plan up, you think? Because they show on the map where the complex is and then the perimeter and then where he wants to meet them. And he's like, not even halfway to the edge of the shield.

Like, yeah. Lacerin, meet us halfway. Like, you've got to know this shit. If you're a highly valuable operative that wants to get extracted. Yes, but, if just a little bit more detail had been given to the idea of this being more of a prison break and the constraints on Laceran's ability to make this easier on them were more

pronounced. Mm-hmm. I wonder if I wonder if if that wouldn't be a way to understand the situation better Because it because it honestly because they don't do that. It makes LeSaire and look like a huge dick. Yeah. Speaking of detail, I really loved the detail when they put their backpacks on and get their rifles and head out of the runabout that there are two doors that open up. There's a little miniature airlock on the side of the runabout there. I don't think I've ever noticed that before. When, uh, when Warf touches the, the door lock thing, his fingernails get super long. Though it's a, it's a problem they haven't fixed on these runabouts. Yeah.

Want to be careful with what you touch. You should, you do not want to look at that bowl of fruit in the back. It's fucked up. No. Yeah. That looks like at this point. So we cut to the next morning and DAX and Wurf have made their tricorder into a thing that masks their life signs. But the trade off is that they can't use it as a tricorder anymore. So they've got to sort of navigate by site. Right. And they're kind of in a pretty dense Rambo jungle. And a pretty well, well executed Rambo jungle.

I want to say from a set design standpoint, like they have to walk 20 kilometers in brush that they can't really see through and they don't have a GPS or anyway to like, to negotiate it. I think one problem is that every time we see them in a wide shot walking through this jungle, they're zigzagging through it. I'm like, that is not the way you maintain your sense of where you are. That is bad-orienting. We've both capped on the home and garden centerification of outside play sets before. Yeah, this all wants perennials.

Now, home and gift-wise, actually. This seems like the best realized version of that. It seems like they got their arms around both the density and the variety of plants. But also, it looks like they're shooting in the round. Like, we're not putting the camera inside the set as much as we're keeping it outside and using the brush to obscure our vision.

So like I understand like shooting this in a straight line isn't going to work because you just don't have the room to do it. But I mean by setting and resetting and making your actors move the way they are, I think it's done so much more depthly than it usually is, especially in those early seasons at TNG. Yeah, you are not worried that Echo Papa 607 is anywhere nearby. Right, right.

I mean, you can't see the psych here by design. Back on Deep Space 9, the trouble with wanting to join an illegal gambling game is you got to know the password, you got to talk your way into that game. I think I can take these guys or what, David. So is it a game for you? There's a level of trust that needs to be established with the scumbags that participate in things like this.

And in the case of DeepFace 9, of course, that's quark. And one way he limits his exposure to law enforcement shutting down his gambling operation is by only letting Ferengi's play. Dax is the only non-Ferengi that's ever been allowed to play in this Tango game. I wish I wasn't such a Ferengi racist because I thought I recognized the players in this game that weren't quark. And I'm not sure those were the people that I thought they were.

Yeah. I think that part of that is probably that they have like a limited number of molds for the prosthetic makeup and they reuse it on background for angies. Right. I'm not a for-enky racist. It's the molds. This is a byproduct of theus. Right. I'm not a for rinky racist. It's the mold.

This is a byproduct of the loaf. Yeah. It's got to be the loaf. I love this setup because Bashir has to talk his way in, but he doesn't have to do much talking once O'Brien makes with the suitcase of Latin. Yeah, our money spends here. This is one of the props that I would really want. Oh yeah.

Because I love, I love when O'Brien opens up the suitcase, it's got the pick and pull liner inside, and it's got like, what is it? Like just four strips. It's got very little inside that giant suitcase. It's a lot of fun. Of course it's a high stakes game, and that the buy-in is five strips.

You need five Gs just to sit in this game. Five strips doesn't sound high stakes to me. Five strips in the suitcase. I guess they knew what the buy-in was. Use the problem. I mean, it's made into such a giant sum. It is quite literally all O'Brien and Bishop have. So the stakes are high for them.

This is a thing that like, you ever hear that story about Michael Jordan, Michael Jordan famous degenerate gambler, uh, was asked by someone in the locker room if he wanted to play cards against them. And Jordan's like, yeah, sure, that sounds great. And the other guy's like, well, what do you want to play for? What's the stakes? And Michael Jordan's like, what would make you uncomfortable? This is what's threaded through this buy-in scene.

It's that this is all Bashirin and O'Brien have. And that's what makes the stakes high. It's not that the stakes are high to Quarkin company, I don't think. I guess my answer to that would be any amount of money would make me uncomfortable. Sure. Yeah. You just feel a lot more than I do, though. That's how you feel anything is by putting your ass at someone.

Making myself uncomfortable financially. This game does not go well, enterprise. I mean, it goes well in the sense that Beshear lasts. And in any sort of tournament game, when you make it to the final two, I think that's a very good sign. Yeah, I kind of wondered if there was some mechanic in Tango, because they say no coaching between rounds at some point when O'Brien yells at Beshear. So I wondered if all those Frankie hanging out by the bar are waiting to come back in for another round of the game. Oh, I wonder.

But it does feel like one of those scenes in Rounders where like this is the last dough they've got and it's like it all has to happen here. And court plays plays a lot of mind games with Bashir. He's, uh, he kind of turns the scene into a scene about the torch that both he and Bashir still carry four dacks, regretting that she got married to somebody else. It's the game within the game that has always been there. Like whenever you watch dacks play tango, she's giving shit and taking shit the whole time. Yeah. And up until this moment, I never really recognize that for the gamesmanship that it was. Like so often you see it as just conversation among friends or frenemies, but you see it here

in a slightly different context, you immediately recognize it. Yeah. It's something darker. context, you immediately recognize it as something darker. Indeed. And O'Brien sees it for for what it is, but Bixir does not. Bixir, I mean, they also say something about how like O'Brien is much more of a strategic thinker than Bixir is, but Bixir can like do the do the math part of this game. And I think, I think the scene is about proving that you need both to do gambling, you know, like you need to be doing doing the probabilities, but also thinking strategically and playing the player that you're playing against. I like that. Bishir isn't just a cheat code of of a mind like he has a Achilles heel.

And it is the conversation around Dax. It's his lack of guile. Yeah, and quark takes a sheer down, ably. Mm-hmm. And that's the end of the episode. Interestingly, like that's the end of the B story, basically. Yeah, yeah, gambling over. You doing now? Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, some kind of bug bite or rash that Worf needs to treat. This is rough bush that they're going through here. Benizuela, that was some mean bush.

The editor for the episode just had their NLE set for all Crossed Is All for every transition. It's just automatically adding that as they drop clips into the timeline. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know that I've ever seen more crossed his eyes in an episode. Yeah, and this one was fun. Are they hunkered down for the night? Wurf is a widow bit chilly, so they put the astronaut blanket around him. He says he'd rather be in pain than cold.

I love this. This little detail. More pain was cold. And then much like my brilliantly timed raskin open at the beginning of this episode, they hear a little story in three acts by listening to the calls of mating animals in the underbrush. I really wonder what the test audio could have been for these sounds and how much they played around with what it could be. Just leave in the script supervisor, that's what I say. Auga. I'm gonna shoot. I'm gonna shoot. I'm gonna fill you up.

I'm going to fill you up. This is interrupted when they hear the classic twig snap of bad guys nearby in a forest setting. They clear their campsite super quickly. More quickly than any campsite has ever been struck. They get this stuff all hidden away and jump behind a log and three gem had are coming out of the forest. Warfshoots first. Yeah. This scene reminded me of something that I think is a little bit ugly about the gem had are, which is that they are bad guys that we don't feel bad about seeing killed in great numbers. Huh.

Even though they are slaves. Right. Like, the, it does seem weird that Star Trek introduced a character like this that is like designed to feel dangerous a little bit, but also to be like killable in large numbers without us empathizing with them. This is something that Star Trek has been unable to articulate for 25 years, though. Like, I feel like the first time an idea like that

was as sophisticatedly put was in Star Trek Picard when Picard finally said like the Borg are victims. Right. They are not monsters the way that we think of them. And like, this is not even... Spoiler alert, Adam. This is not even close to how we are to look at the gem hadar here. No, I mean, this is, this is proposed to us as a rad action scene where

wharf like flings a mech leth into a guy's neck. You would both sides the gem hadar. Man. That's classic you. a mech-class into a guy's neck. You would both sides the gem-hid-ar fan. That's classic you. I'm just trying to say, like, I think that this is an area in, like I think Deep Space Thin is a good show, but I think it slipped up in this one respect. If you were to be manipulated into feeling sorry for the gem had are based on our conversation or maybe your own personal feelings about them, the reminder that they shoot weapons

with anti-couagulants in them is a reason to hate them a new because when DAX gets hit, she's bleeding pretty bad and this is a nice callback about these weapons. We know this about their beam weapons that they make it so that soldiers on the battlefield must care for the injured that makes the death slow and painful and bad for everyone around, not just the victim. I got a little confused about the timeline here because it was like there's like three days and there's 20 kilometers and they've slept for two nights. And we've got 17 cross dissolves. So how long is it dissolved? How close are they to the rendezvous point or not? But the episode pretty quickly

makes you understand that there's still quite a lot of walking to be done, and they're going to try and keep doing it despite the fact that DAX has an openly bleeding wound that won't stop. And there's nothing they can do about that till they get to a starbase. When Wurf stops them, you know, during one of their many breaks that they have to take, he looks down at the dressing and it looks exactly like a strawberry bin. That's how you know it's bad.

It's got little pips, little seeds evenly distributed on it. I am not laughing at what they were able to do here, design wise. Like the strawberry part was funny to me, but what they do with Terry Ferrell's makeup and making her look more and more sickly as time goes on, I think is really great. I think the episode does a great job, makeup, wives, throughout.

Because this first scene in the daytime after she gets hit, she already looks terrible. And I was like, oh man, they took it too far too early, because there's still a bunch of episode left, but she gets worse and worse. Yeah, you, yeah, I thought the same thing. Like you see her initially and you're like, you got to give yourself a place to go. Right. Cos medically here. And I didn't realize how bad they could do. They could get it. But it's actually also hard to tell who's taking Dax's injury worse because she is cranky and not putting up with Werf's bullshit that much. Your blood pressure has dropped another 20%.

I love that good side, man. But he's also like really beating himself up for having allowed it to happen. If I had not been joking with you, I would not have allowed the jambadard to get so close. Confirming all of the responsibility for it on himself. And also, like, super eager to, like, do the mission, despite the fact that his wife has strawberry belly. I expected there to be a reference to, like, this is why husbands and wives shouldn't go on a way

of missions together. Like, you only get a hint of how problematic as a rule that might be toward the end of the episode, but at no point do either of them reconcile the fact that like, they shouldn't even be here like this. This is a bad idea. I also wondered, like, there's, it makes sense that they have to clear away from the campsite where they were, because they think that somebody might come looking for those gem and are. But why does she keep having to come with him after that?

He like, have her stop somewhere and rest, and he goes and makes contact with Laceran. Because that's where they get eventually, but we have like three scenes of them like sniping at each other and then reconciling and then recommitting themselves to the mission before he decides to do that. The head cannon that I have is sort of undone by the choice that Warp eventually makes. But up until that point, I was like, because they don't have tricorder mapping, if he left her, he would lose her. Like, he'd never be able to find her again. And I fully expected that to be baked into the conflict here, but it was never about the logistics, it was all about the emotions of the idea of leaving

her. I think, yeah, maybe your head can and it's right though, because by the time they make that decision, they're very close to where Laceran is supposed to meet them. So maybe the risk is lower. Warp is like, I am hearing the single brass instrument of bleeding out. Yeah, sure. Blood pressure is lowering. Apparently they travel with plasma that he can inject

into her. Like, that's one of the things in the backpack is like lots of plasma. Because when we see it get injected, she's like, oh, more plasma, great. Which means that like what is like a third of their awake it just plasma canisters do they have another third dedicated to plasma canisters for him because I can't imagine that they have

compatible plasma maybe warf stood over the gem had our bodies hit triangle and looted them for that plasma. And he also decided to wear one of their hats. Yeah, Warf took some of the plasma himself. He has a little more dead eye. Yeah, but it did lower his stamina. That's one of those ones that's a bit of a trade off. All right, long, long, sweet, long, long. Do you hear everybody? Have a time. Finally, we reached that point, Ben. She can't go any further.

And she needs surgery at a star base, and they don't have one of those in the jungle. So Dax does that thing where he tells Wurf, she's sort of old Yellers Wurf. She's like, you gotta go complete the mission. Just go, and then she starts putting me into him. Yeah. Yeah. Crying, she's crying when he leaves, and he does it, he runs off into the jungle,

he comes to a clearing. Did you get real English patient vibes here? Like when he left her, I was like, this could get really interesting. Yeah. Like what if he came back and she was dead? There's been an accident. I needed a doctor.

I was wondering, I honestly was. I couldn't remember how this episode went. And I was like, man, is this the one where... I don't want to say anymore? What do you what do you talk about? But are you saying something happens to Jadzee of DAX? Not necessarily. I mean, they do sort of imply that, right?

When he gets frustrated and runs back to her, he finds a passed out DAX and has to check for pulse. But he's able to fireman carry her back to the run about. And we catch up with him waiting in the waiting room in six back on deep space nine. She's in surgery. And Captain Cisco enters the episode for the first time. Captain Cisco enters the episode for the first time. Bishir, we cut to Bishir in surgery using like a strawberry stem holer. Scalpel. Hulla. Can you wipe my brow a little bit and give me a drink of some urine?

This is one of like of all of the weird edits we've gotten this episode. This edit is maybe the most jarring. That cut back to Deep Space Nine after After Wharf puts DAX on his back. Yeah, because a lot of desperation is omitted there, right? Yeah. Yeah. Wharf has to admit to Captain Cisco that he bailed on the mission because he did not have the heart to leave his wife behind.

It was a telltale heart situation when he was running through the jungle and he was hearing it, get louder and louder in his ears. He says, well, Captain, sometimes the needs of my dicks outweighs the needs of the many. And then Cisco gestures to his own single dick and he's like, or the one? Yeah, I mean, he's literally traded his wife's life for potentially the lives of millions and Cisco makes him admit that and he says you may never get a command. Are we still selling a The Warrior, the Legends shirt, Heather store? I think that that was a very limited run. Great shirt. That was old like eight of.

I cannot wait till we get to go back out and tour again and we meet those eight people because those eight people are awesome. Those eight people see the show for free. Yeah. Yeah. That's doubling down on the terrible investment that shirt was. That is commitment to the bit. Yeah. Wurf may never get a command of his own after this jam up, but Ben Sisko totally understands the choice he made. I love the world building of this dialogue here because on the surface, it's it's reprimand and it's bad.

But I love the idea that they can't really publicly punish Warf because it was an intelligence mission. Yeah. And they can't reveal to anyone in greater starfleet that it had happened or what their capabilities are. So it's- Right. It's another secret shame for War, isn't it?

Yeah, he collects those. He's got a wall full of secret shame trading cards. Yeah, I just love how there's that kind of repetition for him. Yeah, that's good. The button on the episode is a little exchange between Worf and Jidziah when she wakes up from her surgery. She asks, went the mission well and he breaks it to her that he just, he chose her over the mission and she understands the weight of that. It's a very sweet and tender scene.

I understand why Warf doesn't have many friends on the station because you know he would always choose to, like, he'd get invited out by people. I mean, he'd always want to stay home with her. Yeah. His love language is dereliction of duty. I guess you would say. Yeah. Did you like the episode Adam? You really want to do this. His love language is dereliction of duty. I guess you would say.

Yeah. Did you like the episode Adam? You really want to do this. Here, now, okay, okay, let's do it, do it. Yeah, and really a lot more than I thought I would in the beginning. I mean, this presented itself as a very predictable kind of A story, B story, you know, silly B, serious A,

rescue mission. Like, you think you know how this B, serious A, rescue mission. Like, you think you know how the story is going to go and then halfway through when the B story fell out and we committed to the A entirely, like that was a technology the show never does. Right. Like, like, it confines us into that one lane throughout. And then the way the story ended,

I thought was super affecting. And it made me, it made me like, Worf more than I did before it started. It's a great Worf episode, I think, because it's a great Michael Dorn episode. And he's an actor who hasn't had a lot of good episodes lately. I think he, I think he needed this one. And the reason it's such a good Michael Dorn episode is because it plays into his strengths, instead of fitting him into a weird backstory box, which he's so often relegated to, right? Right.

Like, he's, Michael Dorn, as Worf, is a very good storyteller when he's not given a super long story to tell with a bunch of background music playing. Like, when he's just sincere and a matter of fact about his life and his myth making, like he's far more interesting. And also he's given an opportunity to be funny without trying to be funny. And that is crucial because when you sense the hand of the writer's room trying to make something funny and like brute force it that way, it never is. And Warf is genuinely funny in several parts of this episode.

I think because it's just so honest about who he is as a character. So yeah, I did like it. Yeah, I mean, the whole motif of whether Warf is funny or not, and you know And was he considered funny on the Enterprise, was the Enterprise a boring ship? Is like, it feels a little bit like the writer's room is just dragging the show that they spun off from. At first, and then you realize, no, this is just like honoring the arc of this character as being like a real arc.

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It really reminds me of a Thing that would happen on that show studio 60 on the sunset strip where somebody would like hand their Comedy sketch script to somebody and they would like clients at edit for that amount of time and say this is good stuff. Yeah, and I like that show gets made fun of for that, but like this is actually a good use case of that kind of hubris stick You know depiction of somebody like oh, yeah, I get the gist. This is fine My wife and I have been watching 30 Rock and we got to the episode where Aaron Sorkin

is a guest person on the show. Oh wow. And for that show to make fun of Aaron Sorkin, a person who made a show, that was like a serious 30 Rock. Yeah, because they came out like the same year, right? Yeah, like, like, all of the complexity of his appearance on that show

and the backstory to it, I think is great. But I love how I love how the show and he makes fun of himself in that moment for those reasons. That's cool. Yeah, I need to pick that show back up. I haven't seen every episode of it. It's good show. It's fast.

It's real fast. Almost as fast is our progress through the game of buttholes, real profits, where currently our runabout is on square 58. It's now in our show where we figure out what the next episode is going to be and how we are going to review it. That's true, Adam.

The next episode of the show is season six, episode 17, Wrong's darker than death or night. Kira learns that her mother was once Golducat mistress. Oh no. God damn. I think if there's one person who's not who's not going to take that well, it's going to Cut, Mistress! Oh no. God damn. I think if there's one person who's not, who's not gonna take that well, it's gonna be Kira. Hmm. Yeah. That's gonna be a rough one.

We head over to Gach that Biz-slash game so I can roll this bone, huh? Gotta do that, Ben. I'm looking at our runabout and it's blinking on Square 58. You're required to learn as you play, roll. All right, 58, and I'm gonna go ahead and roll this bone. Looks like the hazards ahead are that space butthole, the real long one that takes us way far down or potentially a starship mine in which we would have to build a model

of a starship while recording the show. Oh God. That would just be great. I'm having to seal myself up into my studio office. Famously, my home has no air conditioning. And so the idea of being confined with a bunch of paint fumes excites me greatly to be honest. You could do like a papercraft model or a Lego kit or something I'm I'm gonna get into the huffing. Okay. Yeah, right up to you Chula

Did I win? Oh, boy, Adam, I've rolled a five. I have jumped over that space butthole. Thank goodness. And we're right in between the butthole and the Starship Mine square. Yeah, square 16. The butthole and the model ship. Yeah, we're on the taint that is 63. Regular old episode next time. the model ship. Yeah, we're on the taint that is 63. Regular old episode next time. Best kind. Best kind. I mean, maybe I'll do some huffing before that,

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Yeah, I'd be, look, nothing's going to get me to rejoin Facebook Ben. But I am very curious how the Jim Shimodas are doing with at home gymnasium. Yeah, yeah, what are that goes? We might have to make a new shirt, Ben, for Jim Shimoda. It's the same Jim Shimoda shirt as ever with the headbands, with the sweatbands, but they're like, what, they're doing dips with a dining room chair.

I did it, yeah. What's going on there? I did some burpees at home the other day, and I've been soar and angry about it ever since. That's a bad way to feel after a workout. Yeah, that's happy. Well, anyways, all of that stuff is fun stuff to do. Listen to other shows on Maximum Fun.

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