The Greatest Generation - Too Much Entendre (Voyager S1E2)

Episode Date: February 22, 2021

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Priority 1 message from Starfleet coming in on Secured Channel. Hey friends of Disodo. Before today's episode, we just wanted to take a moment to talk about the historic labor actions being taken by writers and actors in the American Film and Television industry. If you're a fan of the work done by the people who make Star Trek, we hope you'll join us in standing in solidarity with the folks who actually bring these adventures to life. Over the past several years, the AMPTP, the organization that represents the American Film and Television Production Studios, have reduced the profit from movies and TV going to workers. And in so doing,
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Starting point is 00:02:27 Welcome to the greatest generation, Voyager. Star Trek Podcast by a couple of guys who are a little bit embarrassed to have a Star Trek Podcast. I'm Ben Harrison. I'm Adam Pranica. Fresh from Guesting. And another podcast. Yeah, another Star Trek podcast. Yeah. We just recorded an episode of go trek yourself
Starting point is 00:02:48 Is that a Star Trek podcast? It sounded to me like it was just two friends working out their Disagreements about each other at each other well two guests just kind of listen to what that sounds like two guests just kind of listen to what that sounds like. I think we did talk about Paul Stammitz, who's a character on Star Trek Discovery briefly. So yeah, there was, I mean, it technically qualifies as a Star Trek podcast was, was what I gathered from the experience. And it qualifies as sort of greatest Jenna Jason, because they like to drink during as do we and
Starting point is 00:03:26 and JK Woodward is a friend of the pod. He's put he's put us in several Star Trek comic books long time friend of the pod. I've got I've got Star Trek comic pages right behind me on my wall. I was just unpacking mine. I'm still unpacking after my move months ago, which is very embarrassing. As much as we like JK and his work, and I sincerely do, the guy is super talented, Darryl could do a lot better, I think. Yeah, with the code. Darryl has the dulcet tones. I really envy his radio voice. Yeah, I don't envy his job job though. It's stuck with JK.
Starting point is 00:04:09 Seems like punishment. Yeah. I mean, I think we have all thought of our podcasting partners as punishment at one time or another. That's true. Podcast jail. No parole. Adam, you're stuck in here with me. And I'm stuck in here with you. Yeah. Do you want to get into today's episode? Yeah, I do. Ben, it's Star Trek Voyager Season 1 episode 2, parallax.
Starting point is 00:04:38 Reaver course. Unless you've got something a little bigger in your torpedo tubes. I'm not turning around. Argh. Lest our viewers forget, we landed on a special square on the Game of Thought Holes. I totally forgot. Will of the caretakers. And it appears as though only one of the hosts did the homework. I feel like a total idiot. I thought about it several times
Starting point is 00:05:04 in between last week and this week. You reminded me constantly. Did I? Yeah, not constantly. I know you reminded me at least once. You were like, hey, don't forget episode two. Well, I don't remember doing that. Clearly, my memory is falling apart.
Starting point is 00:05:20 Well, here's the thing, Ben. I'm going to try and do it on the fly. I'm gonna make, I'm gonna make hash marks. I have a piece of paper here. I'm gonna make hash marks. I've got, I'm, I'm, I'm due for five, right? Five Tamarion style metaphors. You are. And I've got my five. And I can kick off the show with mine. Oh, wow. Ben, his shoulders unclenched. The first Tamarion metaphor sets up the opening scene of this episode. Lieutenant Kerry, his nose, Marche braided. Because this Lieutenant Kerry has got his nose bent out of whack by Poulana Torres.
Starting point is 00:06:05 Kerry's got a kind of rakeish James Conn, Brian Denny, equality about him, that I really came to enjoy. Yeah, I'd say he's more con than Denny. Yeah, yeah. And he doesn't have like the, like, I mean, they're both kind of barrel-chested men, but Denny puts the barrel in barrel-chested. I definitely got some Chifo Brian vibes
Starting point is 00:06:25 from this guy, the Curly Hair, the Pale Face. Those two basically being the only things that remind me of Chifo Brian. This is fucking spectacular. The being a put upon man who is in Six Bay. Yeah. I mean, this isn't a holodeck accident. This guy got his this clock cleaned by
Starting point is 00:06:46 Bologna Torres you don't want to follow foul with Bologna Torres. We're learning this you don't But she's also created a work environment that is fairly hostile to those around her Specifically hostile to Carrie's face. Do you think that she thought he was a door? to carry his face. Do you think that she thought he was a door? This is just a... she can hide behind the... I'll say this. I think she knew what she was doing. Have you broken your nose? I have not. Never done it. God. The people in my life who have say it's very painful. And I think this guy is portraying that pain. Do you think he asks the EMH for a little cosmetic upgrade? Like, wow, it's broken.
Starting point is 00:07:38 Like, what do we think about cleaning the grill up a little bit? Oh, man, I would get my septum undeviated, I'd get a packet to deal. Yeah, that'd be great, right? Get in there with the drill bit and really open things up. Get me out of my once yearly sinus infection, please. That would be great.
Starting point is 00:08:03 We've got the EMH and Chicoote and TuVoc here to deal with this. This is kind of a personnel issue, hence Chicoote and also a security issue, hence TuVoc. And after they depart six bay, they have a discussion about like what next steps might look like in the hallway. And I really like this scene because this is Chico
Starting point is 00:08:26 Te really like chain of commanding the hell out of two Voc. Look, Lieutenant, I don't have to explain myself to you. And it is emblematic of a conflict that I think we're going to get throughout the episode and throughout the series, which is like Starfleet's Ride for formal justice and Make Wee's Ride for Frontier Justice. And this is the disagreement they're having. for formal justice and make weasel ride for frontier justice. And this is the disagreement they're having. W. Slashar, Slashy, Punishment of Belonatoras. Yeah, and I think it also does a really great job.
Starting point is 00:08:54 I think this is a great Chico Tay episode. It's not really his episode, but I feel like the couple of big scenes that Robert Beltran has, he is really making sure you understand what his character is about. And he really does live in that liminal space between Starfleet and Makewice where he is a man of principle. And like when they were in the A Quad, that principle meant one thing. But here on this ship, it means something else. There are two unintentionally funny bits of physical comedy in this episode, and one of
Starting point is 00:09:30 them occurs here, which is Robert Beltrein enters the turbo lift after this interaction, turns around dramatically and allows the turbo lift doors to close on his face. And those doors are like an inch from his face and he doesn't move. He plays chicken with these doors in a way that delighted me. Six Bay, it's second nose injury. Yeah, we see him later with two pieces of toilet paper rolled up and stuck into his nostrils. Yeah, and he kind of he flattens out that kind of that kind of hook toward the bridge. Yeah. The two men is getting a nose job on today's episode. The two Makewies Gossips who
Starting point is 00:10:14 run into Chicoote in the next scene are like, what the hell happened to you? And all he does is he says dramatic effect. Sorry, we heard what happened. It's clear that these two Makewies gossips have already taken a tour of the ship the day before and are ready to, quote, do whatever is necessary after their conversation with him. Yeah. Pretty dark suggestion. I love how hard he brings the port hulae's down on them. Like they totally think like, okay,
Starting point is 00:10:45 like we're just all make-weez and we're looking for our chance to pluck these star fleets over. And he is like, that is not what this is. And I do not ride for what you are talking about at all. I think you alluded to this in the last episode and it is very apparent now because we have so many more characters to see. But the make-wee is where the bars and the starfleets wear the pips, right? Like that's an intentional
Starting point is 00:11:12 uniform delineation. I don't like the bars because they're a little harder to see and distinguish in SD, especially. Like I kept seeing these characters and being like, can we tell even by looking at that bar what their rank is or just that they are makeweas? If you're going to distinguish them in a negative way via uniform, they should just shoved all the makeweas in front zips. Just don't be front zips for all of them. So uncomfortable. Yeah. It does.
Starting point is 00:11:46 It is interesting. I guess on like Navy ships, there are Marines walking around. So it's like not unusual for places where people are wearing uniforms to have different uniforms. But I wonder if they give any consideration to like showing a, like having the make-wease not fully brought into Starfleet and you know, like maybe you have like a slightly different design to their uniform or something like that.
Starting point is 00:12:16 I wonder if that's gonna be a moment in the show when someone goes from buyer to pip. Ooh. That's when you know they've made the leap. Mm-hmm, that's like going to a second location. Right. That's when you know they've made the leap. That's like going to a second location. That's your uniform. We're really kind of following Chico Te around here because he's got to go visit Torres now. Who answers the door in a fairly threatening way. Still not in the part of the emotional half-life of whatever event caused her to break that guy's nose that is in the like trying to make a men's
Starting point is 00:12:53 phase. Tora is a partner who's okay going to sleep angry. Like you can tell. Absolutely. And like before she even sees who's coming through the door, she is winging a cereal bowl across the room at it. And she's going for the feet. She's not trying to break another nose, which is good. This is a scene where we get our first of I think four different pronunciations of the name Ticote from Belonatores in this episode. I did not figure out on that. She really explores the space with Ticote's name. Ticote. I wonder if as a Klingon, you are pre-primed into assuming an apostrophe in a name where
Starting point is 00:13:37 none of this. I remember seeing somebody talk about how in TNG when they had like a space word that had, you know, there were more than one interpretation on how to pronounce it. It was just whoever said the line with it first got to determine what the pronunciation is. But that's obviously not a foolproof system. Yeah. And if you need an example, the way they pronounced Bejor changes a ton in between early TNG episodes about it and deep space nine. That's a great example of a show just trying to figure out its own vocabulary as they go and that maybe is something that's happening here. Yeah. And also like early in a Star Trek series, everybody is like typically
Starting point is 00:14:24 pretty convinced it's about to get canceled. So like why even bother learning these pronunciations? Right. And you know, like when you're doing a film, there is a script supervisor who I feel like is like sitting right next to the director, like making sure that this shit is locked in.
Starting point is 00:14:42 I wonder to what extent that is a, that's a concern in a show. Yeah, or if they're just moving so fast, it's like, it's hard to, hard to keep track of. I mean, it's like, it's easy to take a Polaroid of somebody in their wardrobe and check that for continuity. It's much harder to remember how they pronounced a space word, you know. Not that Chico Te is a space word, but... Yeah.
Starting point is 00:15:07 Chico Te is here to tell Torres that if she only shaped up and stopped punching people, she could make Chief Engineer one day... I don't need support for anybody. You are if you're going to be Chief Engineer of this ship. And I really like the dynamic between them in the scene. It is not paternal, it is not gender man talking down to gender woman here. It is totally professional in a fairly healthy way. I really liked it and I liked that she starts this scene in a fluck whoever is coming through that door,
Starting point is 00:15:45 fuck you for talking to me. And really, like he knows how to talk to her. He says the thing about, you know, like she's a person with an explosive temper and like many people with explosive tempers does not think in the moment about what her actions are going to mean for other people around her. And he completely gets that across to her in a way that is not disrespectful or paternalistic. There's a third thing about this scene that isn't here. And I feel like we're talking about positives about this scene because of things that aren't
Starting point is 00:16:20 included. But here's another one. Like, if Robert Beltran doesn't spin this, right, he's going to look like he's portraying the character as someone who is trying to place make-wee's in positions of power around the ship that could suggest that the meeting with those make-wee's earlier may have,
Starting point is 00:16:42 like there may be something to that to come. Totally. But the scene has played so straight that you never get the sense that, that, the, the true nature of his encouragement of her is about power down the line. This is not another example of my twisted sense of humor. It is so interesting that this is the second episode because I think that it's, it's almost harder to write the second episode, because I think that it's almost harder to write the second episode to this series than the first, because the first is just like get us
Starting point is 00:17:13 get us into into the situation that the show is about them dealing with. But the second is like, okay, this is the first day that they're in this situation. Like, how stressed is everyone? How are people dealing with it? Like, what goes on? And I kind of wish that there had been a little bit more in the script about, like, Belonatora is flipping out because she's fucking panicked about the fact that her entire life just went on its ear in a way that she has zero control over. And now she has to, I mean, they talk about it a little bit later. Like, I didn't ever want to be in Starfleet.
Starting point is 00:17:48 And now I'm stuck with you freaks. Like, like, I think that's like as close as they get in this episode. Brandon Braga wrote this episode interestingly enough. And the reason he didn't write the first was because he was on vacation. I read. Is that true? Yeah, that's a, that's a fucking great time to go on vacation. Wow.
Starting point is 00:18:13 He's like, yeah, you know, I was out of town doing vacation shit. That's why, you know, I really had to bring myself up to speed. How'd the pilot go? Have we decided how we're gonna pronounce the first officer's name or is that still kind of up in the air there's a McLoughlin group in the next scene if you want that new licks and Kess are late to their late to it because they weren't invited your invitation must have gotten
Starting point is 00:18:35 lost in the mail very very embarrassing for them I feel like they put a lot of thought into this table, been the shape of the table, and not a lot of thought into its height. Did you get this? That you're sitting down at the table, and the table is like above the nipple. They look like children sitting at this two-tall table. Do you think it's that the table's two-tall, the chairs are too short, or that actors all tend to be quite short?
Starting point is 00:19:08 Well, if it's the if it's the last one, it's kind of unforgivable. Like you gotta rescale the room for your little actors. You gotta you gotta pump up the chair. I think. You're self in a position of power. This ship is in a pretty fragile situation. They're not only trying to make two crews that naturally hate each other and into a single cohesive unit, but they also, I mean, the bangers, it's hard to overstate how badly the ship is fucked up. They're in transit trying to fix things about the ship and trying to find energy, they're losing the amount. You know, like the, it's that horse power
Starting point is 00:19:48 getting to the wheels issue that you deal with in cars, right? We don't get more power to the warp drive. We're all gonna have to get out and push. I love the, the triage of their problems is such that like the fourth or fifth bullet point is, but also we're running out of food. I guess, I guess people aren't shitting enough for the replicators. But you wanna talk about oppression,
Starting point is 00:20:09 you should start in your own mess hall. There's a shit shortage on the ship. Well, it all goes back to energy and I think that the replicators are like a pretty high energy input thing and they're so focused on like moving toward the a quad as fast as they can, that that seems like a thing that they can like solve later. It's one of those things,
Starting point is 00:20:29 like if you're on a long road trip, even a quick stop for lunch feels like it's not just the 20 minutes that you stop for lunch, you're suddenly behind by like an hour and a half for some reason. These things compound. Yeah, so Kess is, she's, you know, she's a cool teen and she's into blowing trees and she wants to get some hydro going down on the lower decks of the ship.
Starting point is 00:20:52 You lose a munchies tonight, yo. I've been thinking that you might be able to convert one of your lower decks into a hydroponic space. And everybody's pretty into that idea. KM and Tora's look at each other like, all right. All right. I'm glad we didn't leave the shakeweed behind on that caretaker planet. We're taking this one on the road. Taurus is like, hey, if you could make some Indika part of that plan, I feel like that would really help me in particular.
Starting point is 00:21:22 Also Captain, whenever you communicate with anyone, if you could just suddenly tell them that we're carrying, uh, that would be, I think that would be good for diplomacy. Starship voyage or riding dirty. Yeah. Chicoate, I mean, they're doing a lot of like personnel stuff to here. They're talking about who's gonna, who's gonna be right for the right positions. We've managed to find a replacement for the transporter chief. Bollocks.
Starting point is 00:21:49 And Chicoetay puts Taurus up for chief engineer much to Janeway's incredulity. So much so that she changes the subject almost immediately. And that, if you're Chicoetay in this moment, that it's never a good sign when the boss changes the subject from a thing that you wanted to talk about No, I mean another thing I kind of thought would have been nice in this script was somebody giving voice to the idea that like part of What we are going to have to do is find a way to trust each other and the idea that trust is
Starting point is 00:22:24 Partly extended and partly earned. I think that he could have made a case at some point to her to just say like, if you want me to be your first officer, like part of that is like taking my recommendation seriously. That's such an interesting observation. There's a one-sided transaction happening here that I feel like could be equalized if Chico Tay were like, you know, I'm starting to get a whiff of of a mutiny on board. I just thought of being that to your attention. And also, I have an idea for who might be a good chief engineer, like if that's brought together as a package, I think that's doing a lot of the work in the relationship.
Starting point is 00:23:06 It's interesting that that like, I like I'm never paranoid after that first scene that I mutiny is in you know happening somewhere in the background right but anyways. Yeah a lot of a lot happens in the scene Tom Paris gets told that he's going to become like a field medic trainee and work with the EMH on learning how to do that. Nielix volunteers his services as a cook. I can do some wonderful things with vegetables. It's like, it's a pretty major shit going on, but the meeting gets cut short because a banger gets dropped on the ship.
Starting point is 00:23:45 That's right. Right outside is a time butthole. We know it's a time butthole because all the right words are said. Creating a temporal vortex to time travel. Shit. And describing it, it looks exactly like the one that the Frazier Crane ship emerged from on TNG. Yeah, I really. It's got that same makeup.
Starting point is 00:24:06 It really like felt nostalgic in a way to look at this butthole. What if Bozeman's just start rocketing out of this thing? What if all the time butthole's container Bozeman? And a riker with a huge beard. Yeah. Who doesn't want to go back to his time? You don't know what it's like and I get a burst.
Starting point is 00:24:24 They see a ship inside. It's so funny. Like, they're squinting at the ship in there as if enhance isn't a thing that they've ever done on Star Trek before. I was yelling at the television. Somebody sees a man. Word for this? Anyway, they're like, we need to get a closer look
Starting point is 00:24:42 and the only way we can do it is via tractor beam. And except they can't use a real tractor beam, they need to construct a subspace tractor beam, which is a Taurus idea, which Lieutenant Kerry begrudgingly agrees with. I love that all of the dialogue from Lieutenant Kerry is like, I agree with Taurus. She actually has really good ideas.
Starting point is 00:25:09 Because so many with a light, the wing of Waymore, where my nose can come down here and engineering, because I'm starting to swell up again. He's walking around like pinching it and facing up to keep it from bleeding. That's everybody's like, haven't you ever seen that G.I. Joe? You're supposed to lean forward so that the blood can clot. And he's like, oh, thanks.
Starting point is 00:25:29 Now I know. And knowing is half the battle. This is actually a moment where Chico Te kind of kind of steps in it because when they're trying to devise a solution to the, let's get that ship in their problem. He radios, he radios Torres instead of Kerry. And this is enough to have Janeway keep Chico Tay after class. She, she pulls them into, she pulls them off to the side and is pissed about this circumvention of rank. She's like, listen, Commander. I know that you've got your engineer and I've got my engineer, but we can't have dueling engineers.
Starting point is 00:26:08 Then they're just gonna be playing back and forth at each other. It'll get more and more involved. And sooner or later, somebody's gonna be shooting a bow and arrow at a hillbilly. This argument they have is really interesting. It's about rank versus ability.
Starting point is 00:26:25 This is one of the things that made it impossible for me to function in a normal workplace. Because I always felt that my ability was greater than those of a higher rank. And so I was, and so I was attitudeently punching everyone in the nose, all around me. And you're like, what? Punching up is supposed to be fine. It's punching down that we're not supposed to do. Yeah. Yeah. Pretty interesting beef they're having here, but, but Chicote actually does an interesting bit of like show talking about show here. I have no intention of being having here, but Chicote actually does an interesting bit of like show talking about show here.
Starting point is 00:27:08 I have no intention of being your token, Marquis officer. That word may be set up in my seat a little bit because of what we know about the construction of the Chicote character and his reason for being. That conversation I alluded to earlier about like the trust that Janeway will need to extend to the Mayquise is the subtext of this scene. And I thought it was a great scene.
Starting point is 00:27:34 They do not resolve this conflict here. They don't agree at the end of the scene. I feel like they are building respect for each other in this scene. They are working toward a working relationship still. And I, I think it's another great, I think it's a great Kate Mulgrew scene and a great Robert Beltran scene. It is a scene of power where one person has rank and another person is a Minority and that brings me to my second Tamarion metaphor
Starting point is 00:28:16 Which goes Janeway her lip and zander stallions running wild She's the hack man calm down mr. I am calm. I am calm. You don't appear to be calm. I mean, at least it wasn't Janeway. She finds Chicoete reading her Bible and questioning why part of it is underlined. And what's this? I am become death. The destroyer of worlds.
Starting point is 00:28:43 Coffee black. Make it yourself. I'm trying to help you see this is an. Perfect black. Make it yourself. I'm trying to help you see this is an opportunity to grow. Make it yourself. In 6-BAY, KESS activates the EMH to do some light gardening and fertilizing. And, uh, God, he takes great umbrage with this. Yeah. It does not like being activated for a non-emergency.
Starting point is 00:29:02 It's like when you call 911 and they're like, sir, you know, a shopping bag blowing around on the highway is not considered a legitimate reason to call this number. He has a legitimate medical emergency of his own in this scene and that is he has spontaneously become 10 centimeters shorter. About. Yeah. Dr. Shrinky dink, they call him. He doesn't notice it, but he like, Kess calls his attention too, and he goes and runs
Starting point is 00:29:34 a diagnostic on his laptop and sees that he has indeed shrunk. They tried doing this as if it was a thing that he felt, like he looks down and he sees two stumps instead of feet. He just didn't play as well. You can't see it in this scene, but as this effect goes on, it is literally just a like a warp effect in post-production where they squish him out. Right. And I was like, I was watching this and I was like,
Starting point is 00:30:05 my parents wouldn't notice, you know? Because when they got their first widescreen TV, they watched everything looking like this for a year before I came home from college and fixed their settings. The EMH has to call Kim to open up a ticket. But they've got their hands full up on the bridge bin. We're a little busy right now. We'll get to it as soon as we can. They're ready to deploy this tractor beam. It's a situation like the push pole of both
Starting point is 00:30:38 the anomaly and the beam create this tension, right? You wanna pull the other ship out, but what's happening is the tractor beam is pulling them toward it. And so they need to decide whether or not to kill the beam as they're using it. It's a close call. I would really advise anybody who is inventing a tractor beam to make sure that it is really easy
Starting point is 00:31:03 to turn off if you need to. If you engage a rope if you throw a grappling hook on something and it's pulling you in. You can just got the rope. Yeah, you just shoot a rope. Shoot a couple of ropes. Yeah, shoot a couple of ropes on those nacelles. Didn't you think that Kerry was going to die here? Because at the very end, they're like, we got to figure out how to cut off the power to this thing.
Starting point is 00:31:34 And Carrie is looking down at the instrument panel and he's like, someone's going to have to go in there and do it. And I fully expected like the the Jordi training program where he has to order someone to die. Like this is it. Yeah. Which leads me to my third to Mary and metaphor, Bill. Okay, you're catching up. Which is Lieutenant Kerry, his Spock Box is waiting because I thought this was going to
Starting point is 00:31:58 be his moment. Like in dying, Kerry would prove the greatness of a starfleet to Torres, and that would straighten her up and fly her right. And also make the decision easy for the captain. Yeah, only in his sacrifice would she rise to being qualified for that job. There's no resolution to this. It's literally like a... Captain, I can shut it down, but I'll have to get in there and physically cut the main
Starting point is 00:32:23 power to me. Do it! There are so many scenes in between this one and when we see Kerry again, I was like, well eventually they're gonna cut to the scene where we're scraping Kerry off of a wall. Yeah, we're the like, or the like funeral scene where hologram Kerry is like looking around from crew member to crew member telling them what he loved about them. Yeah, the, you didn't come here to make friends. And I respect your, your gumption. Care is, you're gonna make a hell of a, close torpedo funeral. There's something about the, the visual language of it, right?
Starting point is 00:33:00 That suggests this like this. I don't think we're just baking this up. No, you don't cut away from a dangerous scene and then leave us guessing. And then I'm not a dresser, yeah. You and I took the same thing away from this moment and I was shocked to see him still alive later. But he successfully cuts the tractor beam.
Starting point is 00:33:20 And one suggestion that Nielix has made is that like a nearby star system is inhabited by technologically adept people and maybe they could go ask them for help and so It looks like they're you know plan A isn't gonna work So plan B is gonna be going and asking for help. So They had that direction, but pretty soon it becomes clear that this space butthole is following them. Look, captain, there's no use. You can't shake them. That's not the only thing following Janeway.
Starting point is 00:33:52 About this for a Tamarian metaphor. Your butthole always behind you. Nice. I like it. In a meeting between Torres and Janeway, they kind of post game the whole beam situation. And Janeway's like, look, you know what happened to Kerry, right? We're both guessing he made a great sacrifice here. That's what happened, right?
Starting point is 00:34:18 I didn't hear anything about it, and it's been kind of an emergency, it's one thing after another, but I've been operating under the assumption that Kerry is a grease mark on the floor of engineering. Taurus is pre-defensive about what happened with the beam. And this pivots fairly elegantly into a job interview that Jane way is doing.
Starting point is 00:34:37 She's murdocking Taurus' record at her. And this is like one of those job interviews that Torres doesn't know as a job interview. Like there's some feeling out happening here. Do you think you're ready? I don't want to like pre-drag Voyager because it's a show that is just getting up on its feet. But this scene really made the case to me that there was something to the crew doesn't have conflicts between each other thing of TNG, which is like, we're being pulled into a time butthole
Starting point is 00:35:09 and we're gonna like stop and have like some office politics right now. What? Yeah, this is a quark B story situation happening right here. A little bit. It's kind of a mismatch. I mean, you could see where it matches. Yeah. But it's, I think this is a perfect happening. It's, it's, it's, it's an order
Starting point is 00:35:33 thing also. It's that like, I don't feel like we're out of danger. It's a track sequence thing. It just doesn't seem like when it's like, you know, bottom of the ninth, two batters on, is when you, you pull the guy on deck aside and go like, Hey, some of the ninth, two batters on is when you pull the guy on deck aside and go like, hey, some of the other guys in the clubhouse have some major concerns about your attitude, you know. Right, right. So their conversation gets interrupted by the-
Starting point is 00:35:56 That was a metaphor, was it Tamarion? I don't know. I mean, you're gonna need credit for it if you're going to complete the assignment. Yeah, the children of tomorrow don't have baseball. I don't think so. I'm not going to count it. I've got four hash marks written down here. I'm doing great. The EMH's ticket has been escalated to management because when EMH is on the line with Janeway, he continues his complaint, but also he discloses that he's not the only one experiencing weird symptoms on board.
Starting point is 00:36:33 They don't get to interrogate this too much further because a banger interrupts the conversation and Janeway leaves to the bridge without hanging up. This is an episode that is replete with bangers interrupting conversations, but like, I thought that the symptoms of crew members, people having headaches and stuff and the hologram, not, the projector is not working perfectly. Stuff was so well set up in this episode. I think that it, like, this stuff would have been much more A story or seemed much closer to A story in TNG and there's subtlety to it, you know, like it's just kind of peppered it in a way that you can notice it and think about its potential story implications if you
Starting point is 00:37:20 want, but it's not banging you over the head. These are, I mean, speaking of the bangers, Ben, Kim Friedman is a, is a director of many DS nine episodes. And I read that she sent tape to the bridge crew and was like, look, episode two, replete with bangers. I want you to do it like this. Wow. And it was basically a how to bang video that she sent everyone. And that I think is why everything,
Starting point is 00:37:51 I found all the bangers plausible in this episode. I thought the whole bridge crew did a good job. There was one where Chicote falls over and almost hits his head on one of the banisters in the bridge. And it like, I was like, oh no, he almost, he almost bonked his noggin. And then I had to remind myself, like, they didn't actually shake the bridge. Like, he, like, was walking around in a steel room and did that and sold it. And it's a credit, it's a credit to Kim Friedman.
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Starting point is 00:40:38 Gold. So as you were saying, Ben, the butthole is always behind you in real life and in this episode. Paris has confirmed it. They're back in the same place as when they started. That's not it's a real like it made me think a lot of negulum. Like is he back? Yeah. Is this him? It doesn't look unlike negulum out there.
Starting point is 00:41:02 Yeah. And that DevTales is nicely into my fourth Tamari and metaphor. Then, wow. It goes like this. The V caught by Nagi-Lum. If they fuck, can he watch? That's why you're pretty right, you know?
Starting point is 00:41:22 You know what? That's what Nagi Limbs did too. He's into blowing up brains and watching people fuck. I like to watch. Yeah, that was all he wanted in the whole world. Yeah. This is a real mind-bender. Like the idea that there's two things that are true, right?
Starting point is 00:41:41 Like they traveled, they really did. The ship is saying that they moved. They've got the records of travel, and they also have the star charts tell you I'm there exactly where they were. I know that this would be too derivative, but they don't drop a boi. Prepare a boi and launch it when ready.
Starting point is 00:41:56 Warning boi's. An emergency boi. A warning boi. Before leaving, they just depend on their own sensors. That would have been nice. I mean, I feel like if you introduce dropping a boy, an emergency, boy. Into the script, then you probably
Starting point is 00:42:14 have to spend three minutes of screen time having them go, like, the boy is getting further away. We're right on top with boy. Captain, it is the stationary beacon we just released. He must have come full circle circle. Janeway is great here. She like, she pauses the episode at this point. She's like, look, we're going to stay put.
Starting point is 00:42:36 I want everyone to do their own book report about how things have gone up to this point. And I want to read all those book reports at 1,500 hours. And then she's out of there. I love that. Like she's gonna do her own study of the situation in a way that like Picard and Cisco would never, ever, ever do that. Yeah, Picard would be like suggestions. Right.
Starting point is 00:43:02 She's like, no one can do his own work. She's like, I'm gonna go fucking solve this problem by myself. And that suggests a thing that happens later when, when Taurus and Janeway are finishing each other sandwiches and a meeting that they have later, like her, her interest in excitement and problem solving is mirrored by other people in a way that makes you really like Captain Janeway. is mirrored by other people in a way that makes you really like Captain Janeway. This is the second McLaughlin group. It's you too. And like right before it happens, there's a scene between Torres and Lieutenant Kerry where
Starting point is 00:43:33 Kerry is like, just so we're clear, I'm gonna be in charge and you're gonna sit in the chair behind me at this meeting. You better get used to it, Torres. You're gonna mean thing in orders from a voice that sounds like this. But it's not my fault it sounds like this. It's your fault. Oh shit. Breaking news, Ben. My wife just texted me for the first time. We've been doing the show for 350 something episodes. My wife just texted me to say that I have a cocktail waiting for me upstairs.
Starting point is 00:44:10 Wow, you better go get that cocktail. You have the con, Ben. I'm gonna go get that drink and bring it back down. Hell yeah. And then Instant Jogline is just like, what? Oh man, I wanted a cocktail. I pulled a double shift here.
Starting point is 00:44:30 I'm standing on the bridge, I've got nothing to do. Everybody else has a cool job in this episode and that guy gets a cocktail. Come on. And Adam is back with his cocktail. Look at this. Wow, that is a beautiful pink drink. What are we drinking?
Starting point is 00:44:50 This is a blood orange margarita. I don't know if you've heard about the citrus in California. It's a delight. Adam, since we moved to our house, we've had, I shape you not, eight different citrus trees gifted to us. And, uh, and several more have been promised to us by various friends in a way where I, I need to like start slow rolling our willingness to accept citrus trees. Wow. I can't imagine
Starting point is 00:45:21 what your backyard's going to be like in a year or two. I know, it's crazy. I mean, one of the things about living in the South land is that anytime you go over to somebody's house, they are trying to voice lemons on you or whatever it is they happen to be growing. Like, it's almost a weed down here. Like, oh, we have 300 limes that we had to pick this weekend.
Starting point is 00:45:47 It would really help us out if you could take a hundred of them. And, you know, you try and do people those solids when you can. And like, I'm looking forward to a lifestyle where I don't have to buy citrus at the grocery store that often. Me too. For sure, but I also like, your access to citrus is the only reason I seek to preserve a good relationship with you.
Starting point is 00:46:10 Long term. Wow. It's very hurtful, Adam. I thought we had like a whole thing here. Yeah, we're doing that. We're in business with each other. That's a good thing. Things are fine.
Starting point is 00:46:24 Oh, okay. Hey, where are we in the show? Volana crushes this McLaughlin group, like totally steals, carries thunder by saying like he has some good ideas, but the thing that he's suggesting is not going to work. And she's like pulling a story and b story stuff together. She's like, the doctor is getting shrinky dink and people have headaches. And probably that is something to do with the fact
Starting point is 00:46:50 that our sensors are telling us stuff that confuses us and we can't get a clear signal from the other ship that's caught in this thing. What we gotta do is some kind of field geometry, etc., that will let us clear up that signal because the thing we would do to fix the doctor is going to be the thing that we do to fix the whole situation. Kerry makes a critical error here because he suggests that a workplace meeting is something that anyone would want to attend.
Starting point is 00:47:25 And invite someone with nothing to lose to one. And this is what makes the moment Torres pulls down Carrie's pants and slings him in the balls, like such a surprise to him. Like he's thinking about this in a Starfleet way and she's thinking about this in a job interview way. And that is a Starfleet way. And she's thinking about this in a job interview way. And that is a really galaxy brains him. That is a huge miscalculation for Carrie here.
Starting point is 00:47:51 Speaking of entitled white guys making grave miscalculations, Tom Paris is the guy at the meeting who doesn't understand what's going on who says, let me get this straight and then says what he thinks is going on and everybody else laughs at him. So, the scene coincidentally is related to my fifth and final Tamaria metaphor, Ben, and it goes like this.
Starting point is 00:48:15 Paris, his ball is unkicked. Janeway, her pockets filled with quarters. I felt Tom Paris here so much because he is like, he's giving voice to the every man. And there is something so great about this performance. How could we have been seeing a reflection of something we hadn't even done yet? I feel like Robert Duncan McNeil has, has lived this moment before. It's the only thing that explains the awareness that he goes through on his face about having a good idea, like this happens to me on the show all the time. I start talking before I think about what I'm saying. And then as I'm saying something,
Starting point is 00:48:57 I figure out my point. And then I become delighted at my own resourcefulness in the moment. He come delighted at my own resourcefulness in the moment. And these are the stages of improv that Robert Duncan McNeil is going through in this moment. And you see all of those expressions happen on his face. And by the time he ends on the period, he's like, he's so delighted. And he just can't understand why he too is in the ball kicking machine after this. He thought he did a great job. Am I making any sense here? No, but that's okay.
Starting point is 00:49:31 You don't understand temporal mechanics, Tom. Try to keep up. Janeway is so condescending to him. This is not a good Janeway moment, I think. She basically pats him on the head and gives him a lolly and sends him on his way. She pivots from a bad moment though to a great moment because the end of this scene is her and Torres getting like ultra nerdy about what the solution to this problem is going to be and then they're like running out out of the bridge like messing with stuff and
Starting point is 00:50:01 clearing up signal and they get the distress call from the other ship finally and said not a surprise to me because I could fully hear Kate Mulgrew's voice in the original transmission But a big surprise to all of them that it's just their original transmission to the other ship. I could tell that Brandon Braga wrote this after coming back from a vacation, because in the scene previous, Kim is stricken by a headache, and too about takes him to six bay, you're thinking, oh my god, I hope Kim is okay.
Starting point is 00:50:42 And then when they emerge from the staff meeting on the bridge, there's Kim. Guess he's fine. Absolutely no reference to his affliction whatsoever. There are three instruments on the leathering's tachyb can't. Get the shirt tucked in, go down with the shirt, and go through it. On the bridge, they got to process this audio,
Starting point is 00:51:03 so they run it through a couple of filters, and what they hear is Janeway, and what we get is the second moment of unintentional physical comedy in this episode, because we're on the view screen, and then Tom Paris pops up and defray him from below. It's the Voyager. It's us. It is a delight. I really like this bridge, and I like the lighting on this show a lot. I feel like they found a way to kind of split the difference
Starting point is 00:51:28 between the dark moodiness of Deep Space Nine and they're like very flat lighting of TNG. Like I feel like we're back on a Starfleet vessel, but not like we are in the easiest time of our lives, the way that TNG universe was sort of meant to feel. The idea at this point is to shoot war particles into the singularity. Yeah, the like speaking of metaphors, Adam, they come up with this metaphor of sitting at the bottom of a lake that's frozen over and seeing your own reflection up in the ice above you.
Starting point is 00:52:07 And this is, this is Torres's metaphor. And if they got into this lake, they must be able to get out by the same hole that they entered through. And so they're looking for like a crack in the, I guess they call it the event horizon, right? Yeah, just gives me the chills. They're hoping that they can go back through it and Sam Neal won't be on the other side, pulling his eyeballs out. I feel like you need Torres to use this metaphor
Starting point is 00:52:37 to obscure the unintentional metaphor happening all around us, which is, they throw back to Paris and Paris is like, so when a thing is too small and you need to put a thing into it, there are a lot of methods you can use in order to accommodate the thing going inside. All through the last half of this episode, I was like, man, if we wanted Adam Ragusia to make just a super horny version of the Janeway song, like this episode is all we need. That's it.
Starting point is 00:53:10 It is everywhere. Oh, it's too small. It must have collapsed since we first passed through it. We found the crack. That's the important thing. They're putting things into other things. They're using dequeons, which sounds like a crossover between a dick and a taquillon. They fly a bunk bed into the space anomaly to find this crack and widen it because it started to
Starting point is 00:53:36 patch itself up since they punched through. And crucially, it's Janeway and Torres that onboard the shuttle. And this is a great moment for Chico Te too. You can tell he's makelies because he doesn't even think about stopping the captain from going on a dangerous mission. Yeah, he's like, go for it. And I think he's got his eyes on the chair. Also, do you think Janeway's chair has a nobun?
Starting point is 00:53:58 Mm-hmm. If it's there, I don't think I can ever find it. If it's alluded to, that would just be too much on Tondra. In this episode. It would just collapse under the weight of the on Tondra. The on Tondra, too much for this episode. It's basically an exposition mission for Janeway Antora's. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:54:21 Where Janeway tells her that actually that asshole professor, who is a huge dick to you actually admired your potential. So maybe you could start to do the same. Yeah. I mean, I think that recent events and pop culture in my own life have made me especially sensitive to this. But the idea that Torres was was at Starfleet Academy,
Starting point is 00:54:45 getting in fights with everyone she came across, and people going like, wow, she's really got pluck, I admire her. Uh-huh. Like, it rubbed me the wrong way. Like, I really think that, like, we as a culture need to move away from tolerating people, flying off at the handle when they don't get their way and then facing no consequences when they hurt other people. But the upshot of this scene is basically like Torres did not imagine herself to be fitting
Starting point is 00:55:14 in well at Starfleet Academy and dropped out because she was always in conflict with other people there and what those people thought of her was that she was a, she had a lot of talent and they were really looking forward to making an officer of her because they thought she was going to be really great. I was very surprised at the conclusion of this scene where we get a two-ship Monty moment where they need to decide which ship to return the shuttle to at the end. There is not even a whiff of this being a potential problem when they leave the ship that they're on. No, it's a total twist. And I mean, the issue is like they have to pick one, like they don't have anything in the sensors to go on to like decide which ship is the correct one.
Starting point is 00:56:07 And if they don't pick right, they're stuck in the butthole. Right. 50-50 chance that they're stuck at the butthole, Adam. If I had a nickel, then what? For every time I had a 50-50 chance of being stuck in a butthole. I feel like that's more of a special occasion thing. Oh well. So it's much less of a coin flip in my life. Your life is different than mine.
Starting point is 00:56:32 They get back, they choose right, they choose correctly. But this is after they watch a different shuttle, enter the wrong USS Voyager, and then they just melt in an extremely painful looking scene of violence. At the end of what I thought was kind of a family film. Yeah, yeah. Pretty surprising, right? And you just have to close your eyes to make it not happen to you.
Starting point is 00:56:59 I don't get it. So they pick the right ship, but the problem is this hole is small and it's getting smaller. Now, how do we make it bigger? Put a wedge in it and force it open. And they they went pan over to Janeway and she is like, ram it in there. And so they do. Yeah. Did you see before we get through the hole in the in the nambula, did you notice when they flew the shuttle into the shuttle bay on Voyager, they showed the reflection on the shuttle's windshield of the the
Starting point is 00:57:35 shuttle bay doors opening and accepting them pretty nice. It was a total like subtle special effect. It didn't need to be there. I thought it was so great. It really puts a nice fit and finish on this show. It's sort of like an older television shows when they do driving around in car scenes. Like the windshield is the thing that spoils the effect because there's no reflection at all in like an episode of Rose Ann or whatever. But in episodes made more recently like they're mirroring the reflection in the windshield and they're making it semi-transparent and they're selling the effect of the drive in
Starting point is 00:58:16 that very same way. And it's those little details that like all of the little details serve the effect in total in a way that makes you believe it. And the like capabilities that they have on this show, you know, it's not that much later than TNG, but it's really visible how different it is. And I was reading a thing about like how the bridge, like all of the different monitors that they have on the bridge, like they have to like play what is happening on those monitors in sync every single time. So like making, you know, it's not just lighting
Starting point is 00:58:51 that they're changing for red alert. It's like, it's lighting plus computer screens and like playing tapes and stuff. And it's like pretty primitive by contemporary standards, but like when they were making this show, this stuff was super duper impressive. The one moment in the scene that kind of bumped me was when they land, the shuttle in the cargo bay, Janeway mentions the ship is real because of the bump, and then they get up as
Starting point is 00:59:20 soon as the shuttle lands, I just hate that shit. Like sit down until you're at the gate. Yeah, wait until the fucking little dingos off and the flight attendant says. It's so aggravating. God. So the ship shoots through the gap, Ben, it just explodes through this thing. And a lot of people think it's just pee,
Starting point is 00:59:41 but I think those people are jealous. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Yeah. Mission accomplished, Ben. Chico Tay in the button on the episode
Starting point is 00:59:56 walks Torres to engineering where she is now chief engineer. Yeah. She said. It's, I thought like the way they walked in he says like like this is your new crew And I thought that the camera was gonna swing around and everybody was gonna be like lined up in you know in two rows So that she could inspect your troops and it's now they're just working It's the other torres in there too, and that's how you know that they actually landed on the wrong voyager Torres in there too, and that's how you know that they actually landed on the wrong Voyager.
Starting point is 01:00:24 That she punches this prime Torres in the nose and you're like, that's my Torres. That's my Torres is filmed for a live studio audience. I mean, there's a pretty cool scene between her and Carrie. I've been told that my nose is going to be fully healed with like a week. Kerry, his humiliation well suppressed. There you go. Does that check all the boxes? Can we do it? I got to five. I made it. Congratulations. You didn't study for the test and you still passed. The Benjamin R. Harrison story. Storing in my life.
Starting point is 01:01:06 Why should I try in school? I don't need to. This is a great moment between her and Carrie. And it doesn't feel super contrived. I feel like my sensitivities are very receptive to bullshit like this. It's unearned. But I feel like Carrie is begrudging enough in this scene to where there's nothing he can do about it.
Starting point is 01:01:35 So he's gonna be a supportive employee. This felt real to me in a good way. I totally agree. I really like this scene. And to the extent that this is an episode about how Chief Engineer Torres gets to Chief Engineer, I think they really sold it. And I love the little Koda where Chico Te finds Jane way up on the second level of engineering, just kind of like making sure that this is working out because
Starting point is 01:02:06 she has a vested interest in this working out. And I love that the show knew to like make her very interested in making sure that that is the case. Right. Chico Tay asks Janeway, hey Janeway, how's the peepin? way. Hey, Janeway, how's the peepin? How's the peepin, Janeway? We know. You know, you can't have a first season episode of any Star Trek series without a slideHS tape of Dorf practices medicine, we get the full body view of his condition. And the condition his condition is in is Dorf. Did you, this may just be like the fact that we're looking at like SD television and my ability to like see weirdness in it is totally degraded by higher resolution shows that we have now,
Starting point is 01:03:13 but when Tom Paris walks in to like work on this, it almost looked like they shot him against a green screen. Hmm. I don't know why. It's been a way like they separated him from the background. It was like, huh, almost looks like they didn't shoot that in the same room or something. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. Totally believable effects work on the CMH.
Starting point is 01:03:38 Like, really great stuff. Definitely shot against the green screen. Yeah. Well Adam, did you like this episode? Objection noted, we'll do this without you. I like the episode far more than that scene. Like not even that scene could ruin the episode for me. Yeah, I like the two. It's a nice mix of TNG nostalgia and new voyager problem solving. The kinds of problems that you could never have on TNG being solved in this episode. But against a pretty familiar type of Star Trek storyline, and I really liked that about it.
Starting point is 01:04:31 I thought that was a really smart way to do an episode two for a series. Yeah, they really, like that Nagila episode is so foundational in so many ways in Star Trek. And like for them to construct something out of the suggestions in that story, completely unrelated to horror or the kind of mysteries there to solve, but instead turning it into kind of a technical exercise and a personnel exercise, put a nice spin on it. Well, do you want to put a nice spin on a couple of priority one messages, my friend?
Starting point is 01:05:07 That's more of an emotional exercise to me, but I'm here for it. Priority one message from Starfleet coming in on Secured Channel. Need a supplement on it. A supplement on it? A supplement. A supplement. Yes, extra. But the interest alone could be enough to buy this ship! Well, Adam, our first priority one message is that a personal nature, and it's from Robert
Starting point is 01:05:30 DeSoto, and it's to all the friends. Captain? Goes like this. Unless this somehow stops Ben and Adam from getting money. The attack from planet Tompkins should not be tolerated. Set phasers to stun for now, but subspace messages from Planet Tompkins should not be downloaded to your electric newspapers. I think this might be suggesting that the official Star Trek podcast, Star Trek, the pod directive is somehow an enemy of
Starting point is 01:06:04 ours. Oh, that's not the case. Yeah, they can coexist peacefully in a universe with us. Yeah, I won't brook any antipathy towards PFT. That's for sure. I've had the pleasure of shaking PFT's hands once or twice and he's a perfectly lovely guy, and I wish that show the best Yeah, I mean look Robert DeSoto's are captain. Yeah, so we've got to listen. Yeah much much likely tenant Carrie we You know we're not gonna second guess an order orders is orders Adam Ben our second priority one message is Ashen, it is to myself and anyone who needs to hear it.
Starting point is 01:06:50 Message goes like this. You are safe. You are loved. You are making yourself healthier. You have everything you need to love yourself. You are a good person. Your emotions are healthy and you express them in healthy ways. You deserve peace.
Starting point is 01:07:11 You are resilient. Believe in yourself. Live long and prosper. And then in parentheses it says, play the Ensign road drive here for no reason. Hell yeah, Ash. Yeah. That rules. So Ash just pimped me into kind of a motivational speech.
Starting point is 01:07:38 Yeah. That I'll be putting out in a series of eight compact discs. It's just me saying those things, and I'm calling it personal greatest generation power. Wow. Well, that'll be 10 times as successful as we ever were. I know. But if people want to make us more successful and want to get a message out there they can head to maximumfun.org slash jumbo tron it's a hundred bucks for personal message and 200 for a commercial message and we really appreciate it because
Starting point is 01:08:16 it will help us stay out of publishing self-help CDs. help CDs. Hey Adam. What's that been? Did you find yourself a drunk Shimoda? I don't know. Drunk Shimoda! As soon as I saw Tom Paris popping into frame but from below, that's it. That's all I needed to see.
Starting point is 01:08:42 I stopped recruiting my Shimodas at that point in the episode. Because there's something so silly about directing a person into an unnatural thing. And whether you specialize in corporate like me or or music video like you, when you're watching a thing, it's imperceptible, it doesn't look silly. Like it's just a thing that happens in a music video or a Star Trek episode, like someone stands up into frame and addresses the camera basically, and that's just a natural thing that happens.
Starting point is 01:09:20 But I've been ruined by production in such a way where I remember what it was like to explain to someone what I would like them to do. And I remember how silly it was coming out of my mouth. Like, like, if you can, can you just stand up into frame and say this? It's going to, it's going to feel dumb, but I promise you it's not. It's not going to be on camera. And this is one of those moments where I just thought about all those times when the explanation does not serve the thing that you get on screen.
Starting point is 01:09:53 And that's hard. Tom Perez is also my drunk Shimoda in this episode. And it's not for that standing up in the frame, though I did find that delightful. It's for his performance in the McLaughlin group when he tries to kind of recapitulate what everybody has been saying. I loved it because it was like, like I think you're absolutely right. Like the viewer really needs that moment
Starting point is 01:10:19 to like the techno babble, he's gotten so thick and frothy at that point, because the Captain and Torres are just nerding the hell out. It's a Santorum amount of techno babble. It's absolutely. It's a frothy mix of techno babble and regular dialogue. And so he's there to like he's there to like bring it back to human level, but also the humiliation of everybody else in the room being like, come on man, we're way past this. Great. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:10:55 Wow. Double Shimoda this time. Double Shimoda, I love it. Tom Parrish, that's to an early lead. Ben, I've gone on over to the game of buttholes Will of the Caretaker to see that our runabout is on square 21. Why don't you tell us what the next episode
Starting point is 01:11:17 of Star Trek Voyager is gonna be? Next episode of Voyager is season one, episode three, Time and Again. When Parris and Janeway are sent back in time, they must decide whether to violate the prime directive by warning residents of a planet facing annihilation. Seems pretty early to be doing a time travel episode. I think you got to save this for the end of the first season at least. Too early.
Starting point is 01:11:43 I think Brandon Braga has a bit of a reputation for loving him a time travel storyline. So, that's my, that's my sense of things. I'm not sure if that's absolutely true, but... Well, he's probably a person who's motivated to catch up on lost time, giving how much vacation he likes to take. You're required to learn as you play, Role. Well, our runabout on Squared21 only has a banger out ahead of it that it could hit.
Starting point is 01:12:14 But I'm going to go ahead and roll this bone and see how we will be doing the next episode. Chula! Did I win? Hardly. episode. Tula! Did I win? I had him I ruled a four jumping us over the banger we're on square 25 and it's gonna be a regular episode next week which will be really easy for me to remember. Oh yeah that's great. I think that'll really help you out a lot. You know what else helps us out a lot at Adam is all of the great friends of DeSoto who head to MaximumFund.org slash join
Starting point is 01:12:49 and support the show on a monthly basis. They also gotta thank Bill Tilly, the director of social media for Uxbridge, Shimoda, Incorporated. He runs the greatest trek accounts on Instagram and Twitter. They're really fun to watch. Yeah, he's great. Great hire by us. Good job by us.
Starting point is 01:13:09 It's Pat ourselves on the back here. The music you've been hearing on the show created by the great Adam Ragusia, who was guilt-tripped into it by us and also the many friends of DeSoto who love and appreciate his work. If you'd like to see more of it, and also the many friends of DeSoto who love and appreciate his work. If you'd like to see more of it, he's got to hit YouTube channel full of great recipe making. And also getting pretty ripped.
Starting point is 01:13:35 Yeah, he's a good. He is a fitness enthusiast of the highest order. Speaking of that, one thing I've noticed, a lot of Jim Shimoda hashtags on the peloton. Guys, very happy to see people turn out over there. You're writing electronic bicycles, huh? I am. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:13:59 It's been keeping me sane. That's good. I should try and do something to keep me sane. You should do that. That sounds great. You should try and do something to keep me saying. You should that. That sounds great. You should get a TV bike, man. It's given me something to put my angst into. Well, I don't think about that, but in the meantime, I'll be back at you next week with another great episode of Star Trek Voyager, in an episode of the greatest generation Voyager, where we're time traveling earlier than expected,
Starting point is 01:14:30 which is kind of ironic, given that it's like a relative time. Yeah, it doesn't really matter. Yeah, like what, like time travel, it's like, doesn't matter when it happens. It's like, when you time travel in the first season of your science fiction series, and you do it too early, doesn't really matter.
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