The Greatest Generation - Top PtaQ (DS9 S3E17)

Episode Date: December 17, 2018

When Chief O’Brien gets irradiated, the side effects are disorienting. But when his premonitions predict danger for DS9, he’ll have to rely on the only person he can trust: himself. How dangerous is the ceremonial garter throw? Is Sisko Kira’s “work husband”? Could Wyatt Miller be involved? It’s the episode that just puts a patch on the blowout.

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Star Trek podcast. I'm Adam Pryanaka. I'm Ben Harrison. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Oh, Adam, oh no, we can't start the show like that. I'm sending a message from me into the future, Ben. Oh, yeah. This is, I mean, by the time this episode comes out, this will be past me speaking to future me because I listened to every episode we put out there. I don't know if you know that.

I both QA the episodes and listen to them when they come out on the day they come out, is that weird? That is weird. I mean, I'm glad one of us is because... What if there's a mistake? I'm sort of compulsive like that. Yeah, I appreciate that. I think that I wish I was a little bit more compulsive like that. I'm locking and unlocking the door five times before I publish the episode. I mean, there is a mistake. I think we can all count on. I mean, the whole podcast is kind of a mistake. It's been a terrible mistake from the start. It's true. I was looking at the calendar, though, bin. The calendar for when this app comes out, and this is going to come out the week after

my dog goes back into surgery. Unfortunately, the first leg surgery was successful. So successful on my dog that he immediately blew out his other leg, his what was previously known as the good leg. About a month ago, and so now we've got like a if a dog had the odometer button that you reset when you gas up a car. Yeah. The eight to ten weeks of rehab will have begun a week before the show has come out. Fuck man. And we had just gotten to the end of the rehab,

which was not an insignificant amount of effort. I mean, we were happy to do it. We love our good, good boy. Happy to do it again, quite honestly. This is a thing we've been told will improve his quality of life all the way to the end for him, but it just, like back to back, man. Yeah, that's a bummer.

It's and I've been at your place a couple of times in the recovery process. I mean, part of it is just bad because he has like one chicken leg. Yeah. I'll get shaved. Yeah, for vanity reasons, first and foremost, it's just not a good look for him. Yeah. Doesn't like that. But also, it's like a, he's got like a dubstep dog haircut. He's got asymmetrical dog haircut going.

Yeah. You can't rock that unless you're a dubstep DJ, you're right. Yeah, and your tag doesn't really like MDMA that much. I'm not that old. I can get into it. That is not one of the prescriptions he takes during recovery. But also it's just a hassle. He's not allowed to go up and down stairs. He can't frolic in the yard that much. He can't do a lot of the things that dogs are supposed to do.

Yeah, you've got to put the strap around his body and carry his back legs like a suitcase. That's a thing. Really? Yeah, there's a thing because he's not supposed to be weight bearing, you know, for the first several weeks on those back legs. So you gotta, when you take him out, you've gotta, you've gotta wrap a Velcro thing around his abdomen that has a couple of carry straps. Whoa.

And so he's like walking on his front legs and you're supporting the weight of the back legs like he's a suit case What why not let me tell you one of those dog wheelchairs if that's the deal It's because there are like single steps that we have to navigate like yeah like the step into the backyard right and Let me tell you something Ben when you have a boy dog that P goes flying When you've a boy dog, that pig goes flying. When you've got your dong proximate to a velcro strap. Yeah, that's, you know, I don't like underwear with very strong elastic for that exact reason.

You know, this is only, God, just like the weakest of tangential subjects to this. But I was over at Johns last week. He's a Borg! And he had just a stack of jeans on the ground. Like, maybe 20 pairs of jeans. You're talking about John Roderick, the co-host of Friendly Fire. Yeah!

Our smash hit war movie podcast. Yeah, and yeah, I should have used first name last name. I'm just name dropping. One he pairs of like nice Levi's jeans all blown out in this same spot. Yeah, I don't know why he keeps them. He's like, what am I supposed to do, man? Like I could get them repaired. And then he holds up a version that's been repaired

And it's not a good look. I don't know if you've ever seen a pair of Blown-out jeans with a with a patch on the blowout. I Almost exclusively wear jeans with patch on the blowout so I Think maybe he maybe he got bad tailoring because I have not noticed that with any of your genes. Because the issue here is that if you have chunky size the way John and I do and you do not, your legs rub together and that's like the highest.

I love my thighs. The highest, put my mouth wherever I go. Damn well, please. That's like a high friction zone. And I've been trying to lose weight and one of the things I hope will become less of a problem, if I am successful, is that I will wear through the crotch of my jeans less quickly. But I literally last night opened the drawer of my dresser and pulled out like five pairs of jeans that I wish I could wear but cannot. I only ever have one active pair of jeans because I wear them for like six months and they

go in the crotch dies and I have to go buy new ones. Kind of like that process though that daily wear. I do too. I think that's good. I've got a rotation Maybe that's what has kept my crotch integrity. You go weaken and weak out on those same jeans You're really hammering the crotch, aren't you? It's just because you're so you're so naturally slim at them You got to check your your your body privilege. I don't think there's any privilege happening with with my body image. That's for sure.

Hey, I lost 15 pounds though. What? Yeah. Hey, that's great. Yeah. My target weight is still 25 pounds away, but I'm on on the road. You're a rogue Jim Shimoda, aren't you? Yeah. I don't even have one of those tank tops, but I'm doing it. Making progress. Yeah, that what are you doing to alleviate stress question on the questionnaire I filled out a couple months ago, has inspired me to also get my butt back in the gym. So I'm a four day a week guy again.

Hey, good. Good for you. Not any less stressed though, I don't think. I can't tell if it's working. But you're just on the elliptical grinding your teeth the entire time. Yeah, I need a sport mouthguard, like basketball players wear. Yeah, I was doing one of those for a while.

Well, much like recording a show to send into the future by several weeks. So too is the story of one Miles Edward O'Brien on today's episode, Ben. What do you say? We get into that story. I am all for that plan of action. Alright, today's episode is Deep Space 9, Season 3, episode 17, Visionary. Ben, we start off in a place that I think we now realize is the most dangerous station in Ops. It's the pit, right?

Yeah, it's the pit and O'Brien appears to just be napping on the job. I am Chief Miles Edward O'Brien. This is fucking spectacular! Right there, right there in the command center of the entire station. If you're gonna nap anywhere in Ops, that's the place, right? Outside of the dangerous electrical shock hazards, I think staying out of sight is probably a good idea. But also, I mean, we see the instrument panels on

starships blowing up all the time. And I think that it's smart that Deep Space 9 has centralized all of the exploding parts of their computer in one place. Mm-hmm. You know? And it's like, because it's in a pit, it's contained, you know? has centralized all of the exploding parts of their computer in one place. You know? And it's like, because it's in a pit, it's contained. Nobody's going to get blown up by an exploding panel. Does the pit have a blast door that closes?

Like, if shit just starts going crazy down there, can they roll it closed? Can they seal O'Brien in like Steve Zahn and Crimson Tide? Tadl Kayko, I love her! I love that idea! It fills up with water and they're like, why is there water in there? But yeah, the chief was messing around with an EPS conduit. Plasma exploded on him and he's been irradiated. The doctor is saying like,

I do think he should be restricted to light duty for the next few days. I wanna ask this question as gently as possible, Ben. Do you think O'Brien does, probably not gonna get a great score on Angie's list, right? I mean, I don't give a shit, as long as he fixes my fucking wiring. Yeah, it's not your body.

Yeah, do whatever you want, man. I don't know, I expected more respect for the trades out of you, given our mutual, this old house affection. No, I mean, I think that it would have been nice for O'Brien's rap if they could have worked in one line about there was like a micro fracture in the metallurgy that nobody could have known about unless they had

like a Jordi LaForge visor, you know. That's what I'm saying. They should get them off the hook a little bit because they're starting a pattern. It's a pattern, but it's also like a piece of shit station, you know. Right. So, I don't think he was in and out of Six Bay as often for work related entries on the D. He had to go get his entries in the holodeck instead. Right.

I love how Bashir prescribes light duty for O'Brien as if every job in the history of the Federation isn't light duty. Like, would he ordinarily be going into the cargo bay and like hand stacking shit? Yeah, I don't know. I mean, got to move around, you know? Got to close those rings. So

well, this is all fun, but Kara comes in and interrupts everybody and says don't mean to spoil the fun, but the Romulans have arrived on their way down to roll out the welcome mat for roll out the welcome mat for these Romulans, Kira and Sisko bump into Odo, and some security dudes who are in the process of detaining a punk in drug-like cling-on. And there's just a fun little coincidence that the station is gonna be hosting some cling-ons and some Romulans at the same time.

Uh-oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Yeah, this is a problem, Ben, because they famously don't like each other. Yeah. I mean, if you're gonna rank Pataks according to the Klingons, I mean Romulans are right up there. Yeah, there's a leaders in the Patak clubhouse.

They're tap-patak. top attack. These Romulans are a delegation that are here to make good on the deal that the Federation struck with the Empire for getting a cloaking device for the defiant. The deal is that they get to look at everything the Federation has gathered in the way of intelligence about the Dominion in exchange for that cloaking device So and they're they're right down to business you're not interested in your accommodations commander We are here for your intelligence briefing nothing else The two main roms are gonna be Ruan and Karina and Ruan is gonna be the guy who does most of the talking in the conference room scenes. Karina is the one with the long face.

Ruan was in a Star Trek first contact according to his IMDB. I don't remember what character he played. He was the admiral that ordered the E not to come back during the Borg attack. Admiral, catch you at a bad time, Jean-Luc. Wow. It's crazy how once you're in Star Trek, you're in Star Trek for like six different characters. Yeah, yeah. If they like an actor, they are excited to bring them back for different loaf.

Like what do you think it is? You know you're going to be in the makeup chair for a long time and there's a certain kind of actor that just isn't into that. If you have the disposition for the loaf. Yeah. It's like when they, you know, when like the police get a litter of puppies and they like see the one that's like the most enthusiastic about chewing the towing the toy or whatever, that's the one that they want to sniff the drugs. Yeah. The the Star Trek industrial Complex finds actors that are well disposed to this kind of work. These roms want everything. Ben, they want every file, every log, they want personal logs, they want browser histories,

they want everything. They're a wide-ranging investigation, they have sub-pened all the files. Seems fair though, I think when you're given cloaking devices out, you're inclined to ask for the maximum in return. That includes any classified reports you may have made to Starfleet command. The requests that they're making are based on the fact that they have no eyes in the gamma quadrant. They have not sent ships through. So, I mean, there's like a one point point a bit of a argument between Kira and Cisco Where Kira is like why are we working with these turkeys and Cisco's like I don't know

I kind of see it as like pretty reasonable. They're asking for everything as a negotiating tactic and we'll work with them until we're both happy with What we're giving them but this was the deal, and there are no known. It's always a game of chess with them, and they've been playing chess from the beginning. If we can hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate.

Some of my favorite shots in this series are like a galaxy class or a del soul parked at the station. And we have Romulans and Klingons at Deep Space 9 at this point. And we never get an exterior of the station to see either these ships. And I thought that was really disappointing. I was disappointing, but I think that if you're looking for exciting model effects in this episode don't worry they're coming. Go to Kotlin. Go to Kotlin. So, Adam, when you put a dartboard up in a bar. Now when you're hanging a dartboard, in your home's recreational space, you can I want to make sure that that bar isn't right next to any barstools.

Well there Diane, you see, that's our spot that we're originally invented by the Mayans. And came up through Florida as the conquistadors explored the mainland of North America. We're down here with our homeowner, Mon. Mon, what can you tell us about this recreational space? Mon, a man of very few words Typically on this show, we have our homeowner recite some lines that we gave them in a way that is wooden and unprofessional because they're normal people Mon refused perhaps ingeniously. Morn doesn't sign his wafer, so he's just like blocky pixels.

They have to tile his face out. Who is that? This concealing his alien identity. Yeah. But Brian's pretty psyched about remaking quirk in the image of the Irish pub. He always wished it was. And quirk doesn't really understand. He flings all the darts at once and they all hit Morn. No!

And I mean, if Morn isn't wearing the puffer jacket, he's probably in some trouble. I wondered if the implication is that that's a puffer jacket or that that's a very skin-tight garment and his beefy body is right behind it. Oh, man. That's some prime beef, if so. I didn't even consider that that may be real beef.

Dax loves that, dude. Yeah. Maybe it's because he's so beefy. He would make a lot of sense. Ah! So I didn't even consider that that maybe real beef. Dax loves that, dude. Yeah. Maybe it's because he's so beefy. He would make a lot of sense. So Brian grabs the darts. He's like, not how you do it, Quirk. Let me show you.

And he tosses a dart and mid-throw the screen flashes. And suddenly he's up on the upper level of the promenade. Watching himself talk to Quirk about how the Klingons have destroyed the hollow suites. And it's like a, there's two of them here in the scene. And it's like one of those eerie Star Trek music cues. And at one point, the other O'Brien turns and sees him. And he kind of phases out of existence like a ripple in a pond

and then we smash cut back to a dart hitting the bulls eye and O'Brien like passes out on the floor. Yeah, it's pass out in the theme song. Ben they do a thing here that I wanted to discuss with you a little bit which is a fun bad dream rack focus and this is a thing that you see a lot in horror films or if you're me, student films. And it's the technique of zooming and changing focus at the same time. It moves the background in such a way that makes the scene look dreamlike and weird and just off. Yeah, it's a lot of fun. I love this stuff.

It is especially hard to do with a non-motorized lens. Like, when you got to go to hand it on that? Yeah, but chances are pretty good that they got a fancy, you know. Fancy polar? Yeah, the... You got to get a fancy polar bit. Automatic zoom control joint. You want to use incognito mode when you buy a fancy polar. Automatic zoom control joint. You want to use incognito mode when you buy a fancy polar.

And hope it comes in discrete packaging. Yeah, marked not fancy polar. So in the infirmary Bashir examines O'Brien and says he's been bombarded with radiation such that and says he's been bombarded with radiation such that his hallucinations are related to that. I love this scene because O'Brien had an experience that we can see was not a hallucination, but he can't necessarily see that. And so we know Bashir is wrong in this moment because when the other O'Brien that was talking to Quark on the promenade turned and noticed him and saw him phase out. That's a cue to the audience that this is not something he's imagining.

But they would never assume that he's time traveling as a first guess at what's going on. That's another reason I love that first jump and how it's portrayed so much is it teaches you so much and so little time about what the rules are here. Yeah, it's great. Ben the Pataclan group is not going great. Yeah. Because the ROMs are asking a bunch of uncomfortable questions about the Dominion and their last interaction with them and it seems to be pretty odobased. Like they're aware of odo, they're aware of odo's relationship to the founders

and they are suspicious of that relationship. Right, they're aware of it, but they also don't really understand it in the same way that we do. Like they're understanding that he is a member of the same race as the founders. They then project onto him all of the motivations and all the allegiances of the founders. And there's nothing Cisco and Kira can do to explain that away.

The Ramyun's are like, you know, he must be, if he's one of them, he's one of them. He's not, he's not on a different team. So why are we trusting him with walking around this space station? It's really a burden of proof issue for them, you know? I don't mean a conscious choice to stay here with us. He has no loyalties to the dominion and he has no information about their plans. Yeah, the suspicion is that there's a cover up, right?

We find that hard to believe. It's the truth They're getting answers they don't like they want even more classified stuff than they asked for previously and People like Kira are getting defensive because to someone like her she's giving truthful answers, but they're unsatisfying and so she's becoming frustrated. Yeah, O'Brien encounters Quark. He's like walking down the promenade and gets told that there's been some damage done to the hollow suites by these Klingons. And this is the first time we find ourselves in a future that O'Brien has gone unvisited because he's like in the middle of his rote response to Quark and realizes that he remembers this

and slowly turns his head and sees other O'Brien standing there, jaw-dropped watching them from the other side of the walkway. Ben, this is another Razer Bedeep episode and it made me wonder how much they prescribed to a sort of cause and effect way of shooting. I think you mentioned a long time ago that one of the things that made an anavisator such a great actor was that, like it's not just emotional truth,

but like physical in that's remembering where your limbs are, remembering what they're doing, being like thoughtful about that stuff. And when you're shooting repeated scenes, especially in a time travel context, Kalamini gets that challenge now, because they're shooting this in a couple of different ways.

He needs to remember what his limbs are doing. Yeah, and it's interesting because this scene is different from the version of it we saw before. First of all, all of the camera positions are stationed on the other side of the upper walkway. So we see it from a different perspective. But also, it's different in little bit differently and that is also a bit confounding, you know like You think about the other O'Brien the one across the Brahminod there like

We know that when he time traveled before this is not what he saw. Yeah. I really like how this episode treats these moments. They don't really go hard music you with this. Yeah. It's spooky, but it's fairly unpronounced. It's subtle and good. This leads Orion to take the issue. He's been in Starfleet long enough to know that this is something that you've got to take to the brass. So the next scene is in Cisco's office and DAX has been put on the case. She's like done an internal scan of the station and found noticeable temporal anomalies

in the places and times when O'Brien had these experiences. And so they know that something is really happening to him pretty early on. And initially they don't know exactly how far forward he's going, but they are aware that it is real. Ben, it would be so interesting if this were a consequence from O'Brien's time traveling in past tense part two. Like if you were still covered with chronometric particles that made both he and Kira even subject to these sort of jumps. I was really hoping that their suspicion would be tied to that somehow and

they would also exam Kira for some reason to make sure she wasn't going to be doing these as well. There's just not enough time for that kind of speculation, but that's where my mind went initially. Yeah, I mean, I think that maybe the issue is that this is an episode that is paying off something from an earlier app, which is that they are getting the cloaking technology from the Romulans and they need to make the Romulans whole on that deal. Yeah. I think that TNG might have just forgotten about that deal and not ever come back to it or had to like address that within the episode in which it was established and yeah This is a very different kind of show, but it is in this meeting that Orion

travels again and he's a This time he is in Quartz bar, and it is a fucking brawl It is an old school Star Trek brawl. He comes in there and the jukebox kicks up and it's just a funky, funky disco song. Everybody was Star Trek fighting. Those Kirk chops were fast as lightning. Time travel is a little bit frightening. It's one thing for there to be a bar fight, but as soon as a bar fight escalates to throwing Yeah. That is crazy. Yeah, the two things that really take a fight to the next level is throwing stools and like that move where you smash a guy down on the bar and then run him along it so

every glass breaks against his face. And I think both of those things go down in this scene. That's such an unnecessary fight, Flourish, that I don't think would ever happen in real life that I would just love to see. Yeah, I mean, I don't want to be in a bar fight, but if I was, like, I would want it to be this level of lit, just, you know, like, get it out of my system in one go. Yeah. O'Brien saves O'Brien's life in this scene. Having two O'Brien's in any bar fight, I think, is an unfair advantage. And I don't mean that in Star Trek, I mean in life. Yeah, so he comes back to the meeting with Dax and Sisko

and passes out, which seems to be happening. Every time he comes back he collapses on the floor and wakes up in six bay a few minutes later. And the prognosis is that this is actually like having a cumulative effect on a Brian's body. And he could die if they can't figure out how to stop him from traveling in time. Nice bedside manner this year. Also, like this scene really had me scratching my head. I think losing Vedic Bariol a couple episodes ago is kind of hardened bishir, the idea of death of notable people. He goes right from there's a problem with the nerve cells to this might kill you in

no seconds flat. Kira comes in. Does that thing of like, how you doing chief anyways? Uh, Cisco. It's some big news. Uh, you mean she wipes? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha I guess is Isisko Kira's work husband? Yeah, I think that makes sense. Wow. You think that Beryl was ever threatened by that? I think Vedic Beryl was threatened by interesting storylines.

That's the only thing that he was afraid of. Man, you're nasty to that guy. I know. Buck is wrong with you. nasty to that guy. I know. Buck is wrong with you. Kira is upset that the Romulan's demands are so honoris.

And Cisco is like so chill about this. He is all about keeping the peace, whatever the cost. He's like just give him whatever they're asking for. Like this is fair. This is like they're not some great lines, right? He says no personal logs, no unrestricted accents, access to the defiant, but he also sees where they're coming from. His point is like this has been the deal the whole time.

Like nothing about this should be surprising. Yeah. And then weirdly, we cut to the meeting room and it's just Kira and the Romulans. I thought it was weird that Cisco wasn't in the scene. The cut from this scene. I'm always diplomatic. That one. That is the most ridiculous thing I ever heard and I resent the implication. Is one of the big laughs of this app and I think and of this season. It was great. But yeah, she should not have been left alone in that room with them.

They have the vibe of the consultants that they bring in in office space to like assess whether people should be, have their jobs eliminated and Kira's going like, I have people skills. I'm good with people. They're doing that thing that is very familiar to people who know me, which is like it's so irritating to have one party in an argument, super calm, while you're trying to argue with them with like a raised amount of energy. Yeah. Me being

the calm person that's very irritating to others. You're very irritating. I've not been gone, I've not been gone, I've not been gone. Exactly. In Quarks, Bashir and O'Brien are playing darts again, and they're discussing the future that O'Brien saw, and what the chances are that that's gonna happen. They're kind of staking out this fight. Like, like, two cops sitting in a crowned vick on the corner waiting for the fight to break out. I love that.

O'Brien really feels like it feels about right, but the doctor is saying, like, oh, well, maybe it won't happen because you warned everybody. Like they've beefed up security at the bar. The Klingons have been 86 from the bar. Like this is probably not going to go down. And just then the Klingons come down the spiral staircase into the bar and they're like, Quirk, what the fuck, man? Well, you're not paying attention and turns out Quirk is just reliably greedy and the Klingons paid him three X what it normally cost to use a hollow

suite and he lifted the no Klingons restriction, which probably, you know, would have been a violation of their civil rights. Right? Like, you're not allowed in this bar based on your race. Yeah, that's, that's tough. You're not going to make that happen on DS9. Yeah. A place that allowed the gem-hidar to walk freely. Yeah, they're very committed to their liberty and liberal policies. This is one of those moments where we get a premonition inside a premonition that we saw before because during the fight, O'Brien blinks out and he's in a hallway looking at himself service a wall panel and upon opening this door to the wall panel, the other O'Brien gets shot dead.

Very distracting for me because this wall panel is definitely the top of a rubber-made file box that my mom had when I was a kid. That you are always afraid of? Yeah, I mean, I think shot people dead several times right in front of me. Ben, you seem like the type of person that would have thought about this question and had an answer ready to go much like your tuxedo as a time traveler answer. But just like I think one of the best Q&A's we've ever done. If you were to see yourself from another time, would you call yourself Ben the way Miles calls himself

Miles? I thought that was fucking weird. He sees himself and he's like, Miles? I think you would, I think you'd have to say, hey. Dude, dude! I thought that was weird. Yeah. I'm not calling myself Adam. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. I mean, I don't even like calling you Adam. Yeah, I don't like being called Adam. Yeah. O'Brien wakes up in the infirmary like the undertaker like bending at the waist.

I love that detail. He is most definitely alive. Yeah. But he tells Bashir in a few hours, I'm gonna be dead. I thought that in this moment when he says in a few hours, I'm gonna be dead, it would have been great if Bishir had like double checked his clipboard or something like, huh, that's not what I have.

Hahaha. You know, like no, no, no, no, I mean in a time travel way. I mean, that would be in keeping with the casual vibe that Bishir throws throughout this app. Yeah. They hit down to this hallway and it's Odo and Sisko and O'Brien and they're taking a good look at this rubber-made file box in the wall and they're not detecting anything, you know. Like you can even see the fucking rubber-made logo on this thing. I love that everyone takes comedy cover, like down the hallway while Odo opens it.

Yeah, he opens it and it's just there's just some glowing Star Trek crap inside. It's a one thing case. No death device. But they're like, okay, well this is an empty section of the station. Nobody's down here. We'll put up some some nest cams or whatever keep an eye on things and we should be able to figure out who the perpetrator is. We find out that these time jumps are moving O'Brien exactly five hours into the future. That's another element to this scene. Like, Odo is suggesting the security camera is part of it,

but another element is like, now that we have an exact measurement to this, it would be nice to have a clue about what's causing this time-shifting and DAX coincidentally enough radios to the crew that she has a theory. Yeah, in ops, she shows them a singularity that is an orbit of the station, and they, in ops, she shows them a singularity that is an orbit of the station. And they, I think initially are treating the singularity as potentially just some weird space phenomenon that is, it's on an ellipsis, so whenever it gets like to one part of it, it emits something that is pulling a brain into the future, which is why the jumps are kind of a predictable amount of time and that are predictable, interval. So they're starting to wrap their heads around this. And like the doctor has like

an idea for how to cure him of time travel, but they're not treating it as being like a an intentional threat, you know. They're just treating it as being like a Star Trek puzzle. Up to this point in the app, O'Brien has sort of viewed these jumps with curiosity. I mean, and outside the bar fight, nothing's been dangerous about them. It feels like O'Brien kind of sleepwalks through these in a way that I was hoping for a little more interest on his part, you know? Right, like the fear of having seen himself die seems like it would inspire more frantic action. Yeah, yeah, I guess it's very business like okay, it's the singularity. We'll start you know, start treatments. One of the things I love about O'Brien is that he's he's so level headed

in a bunch of his life, but the thing that I love about him too is like when he goes off, it is super fun to watch him boil over. Don't feel like he boils over. Yeah. So the crew has like checked out this section and the suitcase on the wall and they're like, well, we're going to hang a camera and keep an eye on it, but Kira wasn't a part of this investigation and has since moved the Romulans to this section right next to the booby-chap wall panel. What are the chances? Yeah.

Cisco is feeling confident enough about the doctor's chances of removing the radiation from him and the security camera being posted on the wall next to the suitcase that he'll just let things play out. Yeah, well, he also doesn't want to expose the fact that they kind of have a jump on whatever strange situation is going on here. So now that that security device is in place, they can actually figure out who's going to do it

by the hint of the fact that they know a little bit about the future. When they cut to Odo's security office and you see the footage from the camera, I think it was fucking hilarious that it oscillates. It was going bang on for it's just a little bit. That's how you get blind spots, Odo. Yeah, they forgot to push that pin down on the top of the fan. They keep it pointed in one direction.

Yeah. Yeah, but Odo, not because of the security camera, has detected a transporter beam is placed and object within that suitcase. Yeah. Says, he tells Cisco, like, you know, now the game is a foot. I'm going to fucking investigate everybody. I'm investigating the Klingons.

I'm investigating, like anybody on. I'm investigating like anybody on the station including Quark. On the list of people that Odo is investigating Ben, the visiting Tarellians of the Haven planet, of the Wyatt Millers, of the take on me music. Really? I guess they cured the plague because the Tarellians are cruising around the galaxy again? This is great news for the Terellians, I didn't even notice it, so tossed off it is. Yeah, like they throw it in on this list, but that's a big name to be on that list. I didn't investigate why it miller been. That is always up to no good. To be quite honest about it, I was in a pair.

I'm fucking in pain. Mr. Bucket, I have to reverse. Back to my limit state. Go! No, I don't use the bucket anymore. At Quark's, Bashir and O'Brien are discussing the situation while drinking the blue drink of awkward premonitions. Yeah, and Quark is coming around to refill them and he's like, you know, if there's a character

on this show that is like Biff Tannen, it is me, and I would like you to grab a sports almanac next time you go forward in time, you know, I want to know what's going on on the double wheel. If you could help me out, that would be great. I mean, Quark who has known about these jumps since before the theme song finally sees an angle. Well, he's not a brilliant man, but the next jump is not that O'Brien goes and finds himself with the double wheel and writes down a bunch of scores, but he actually finds himself

in six bay. There's a covered up body on the slab. He peels back the blanket and finds himself dead. God. We get one of the rare looking pasty into commercial moments here. Yeah, and the explanation is that there's something going on with this basal ganglia that the doctor didn't initially detect. Basal ganglia are the tastiest parts of a Miles O'Brien bin. Oh yeah.

No one prepares calpians like the imperial chef. But now we start kind of a theme of every time O'Brien goes into the future. It's not good for future him. Yeah. Yeah, and so like a message in the bottle, Bashir is like, look, here's what you need to tell me to do to save your life. So he gives him some instructions about a scan

that Bashir needs to run so that he can find the damage and repair it before it kills O'Brien. And they have kind of an argument about the level of care that Bashir gave O'Brien that resulted in his death, that I thought was really cute. Yeah. O'Brien is pissed that like in his eyes Bashir didn't try hard enough to save his life. And Bashir is a guy that put like robot brains into Vedic Bariol. Like O'Brien must have a do not positron brain transplant medical or bracelet, right? Yeah, if you go into the health app on his phone, it says don't positron.

Yeah. It's a DNP directive. Yeah, poor O'Brien. Be sure he's like, stand aside. He's gone. But he's still breathing. Sorry, there's nothing any of us can do now. Cisco and Odo meet up in an empty set of quarters and Odo has figured out how this killer

surveillance device got into the rubber-made file box. Somebody modified the replicator in this quarters with a piece of technology that is strong indications of having Klingon origins, and they turned the replicator into a low energy transporter and did a pretty masterful bit of professional transporting work to beam that thing into that wall panel. And what it turns out is that these Klingons are, in fact, members of something akin to a tell-shear or an obsidian order. They're like a high-level espionage team that Odo's got their number now.

And, God. Like, tell me everything about the klingon strike force, Ben. I know. Like, I wanted to stop the episode here and then have a different episode that was just about them. Yeah, like, and also reach through the screen and slap Sisko when he says, don't explain it to me. Like, I want the explanation. These guys report straight to Gauron. Like, I want all that stuff.

Yeah, tell me everything. Yeah, so all of this is evident enough to question the klingons. Indeed, and the idea is like, oh, we'll just detain them for the rest of the time that the rameons are here, and that will minimize the threat that they pose to station security.

And also they won't be able to like put killer devices in any more rubber-made tubs. Ben legally, when you're doing an episode of television or a film that involves time travel, wherein a main character talks to their own main character, you must have a scene where one character asks another who told you that and then the main character says you did.

They check that box here with Bishir and O'Brien and the infirmary. Well, who might have I'll give it to me? Yeah. The trouble with scenes like this is that you kind of inevitably have to listen to a character do the same exposition two different times. Right. And that's always boring and dumb. If it's neither of those, it's just inefficient.

Yeah, I mean, the idea that O'Brien is going to die of a basal ganglia thing is established already, but now he has to re-explain it to the doctor and save his life again. Which I guess he's all right with doing, given his emotional state this app. Yeah. He's okay with it. Odo very efficiently crams all three klingons into the same cell in the brig. And they're unhappy with their circumstances. They threaten Odo. When my family finds out what you have done, they will come here and kill you.

But Odo threatens right back. The only people who will be coming here are your friends in Klingon Intelligence. With the embarrassment of the Klingon Intelligence community as his leverage. Yeah, he says like, hey, like it would suck for you guys from a career reputation standpoint for this to make its way back to the people you report to. So I will gladly be discreet about what you've done here if you'll tell me what you're

up to. Snitching is without honor, though, Ben. Right. I surprise that the Klingons didn't go that route. Klingons are pretty easy to cram into corners like this, though. The rules of Klingon are so well-established. Yeah. I mean, they don't really betray what their decision is here.

They just look uncomfortably at the camera, and then we cut to another scene. Yeah. So the chiefs, Basel Ganglia, has been cleared of whatever nasty stuff was in it. And he and the doctor are pretty close to being done with, with squaring him away. They're meeting with Dax and Cisco and Ops going over this, the situation. And O'Brien is suddenly boarding a runabout in the future.

Finds himself piloting this runabout to safety while they like load refugee like denizens of Deep Space 9 into it. And there's a fucking great model shot of all three runabouts speeding away from the station as it explodes in the space. This scene made me think a lot of that scene in time squared. Like I

think this is the first time we've seen the station explode. Yeah. We've gotten a evacuation scene that preceded it. I love this stuff. Some of my favorite parts of Star Trek are scenes like this. And I think it's smart that they wait this long in the series to do this because it does feel pretty impactful to see Deep Space 9 explode in space. Yeah, it's practical too. It's fucking great explosion and it also impacts the wormhole. We get to see the wormhole wink out of existence. Right. This is an awesome sequence because like what we've

established up till now is that O'Brien can take knowledge about him getting killed or him contracting a disease back into the past and save his life. But in this scene, the future self that he encounters doesn't really know anything. Like they know that the station is under an existential threat, but he does not bring any linchpin knowledge back to save it. And I feel like the danger feels very real now in a way where like if he'd just been given another contra code to punch in when he gets back

to his time. This episode would fall flat, but like this really ramps the feeling of tension up. Yeah, and I really like the scene that follows. Like, there are no answers, and they can't rule anything out. The only problem with the scene that follows is that he flashes back, and this time does not collapse. He just continues the meeting, and is like, hey, I have some new information. Yeah, that's different. And they kind of break their own rule here, don't they? Is that because they treated his ganglia? Maybe. I mean, that's pretty good, Canon.

It's head Canon about the head. I like it for that reason. Head, head Canon. Canon. So they actually prepare to evacuate the station, but they do it in a real low-key manner. If the destruction of the station is a result of an attack or sabotage, we don't want to alarm our enemy. And Ryan rather heroically volunteers to go back in time one more time. He and the doctor kind of puzzle through this way that they could like inject him with even more ionizing radiation and fine-tune exactly how far into the future he goes. It takes this year basically no time to Develop and produce the time-garner that moves over and forward by two hours. Yeah, I actually got a really bad

Bruce one time at a wedding time to trying to catch the time-gather when the groom rocketed off his finger. Ouch. Do people do that at weddings anymore? Yeah, I think that's still a thing. Wow. The wedding phase of my life seems like it's many years in the past, like the years where you would go to five weddings in a summer. Yeah. Now I'm going to second weddings.

That's the phase that I'm in. Cool! Yeah. All right. Long, long, steep, sweet, more, more. Long. You need to hear everybody. Long, long, long, stop.

I love this scene because it's one of the rare moments when an officer feels the mortality of a moment before a mission they're about to do. Like O'Brien actually does the, I've got a letter in my quarters for Keko, man. Yeah. You know what to do with that letter, right? I understand, boss. It's also the first time Keko has come up in this episode, which I felt was a little weird before this. O'Brien's like, yeah, I think very little of her when she's away.

I've been, uh, I've been jacking on a lot. And frankly, like the hormones in my system just don't turn my thoughts to my wife that much as a result. My dick is fucking burger right now. I would actually welcome the sweet release of death. Like, have you ever gotten like a hot Italian sausage at the grocery store and cut the casing off? That's kind of what it looks like down there.

When O'Brien appears in the future, he appears in his own quarters and wakes himself up. The question, I, like, this is another depiction of a person in Starfleet who doesn't sleep beneath a blanket. Yeah. I'm always distracted by this little shit. It doesn't make any fucking sense. Why? Why isn't he sleeping under a blanket? Yeah. Not even possible for me. Yeah. No. Not only that, he's sleeping on top of the blanket. Like when he gets up. It's not that he doesn't have one.

Yeah. Also, that bed is not big enough for him and Kiko. Like to see if a single man bed, while she's at a town is O'Brien Benjamin R. Harrisoning and doing like two double beds in the quarters. And that's his. Does he have a man cave in his apartment? And he's sleeping in that while she's gone?

Um, anyways, uh, another confusing thing about this scene is that sleepy headed O'Brien that time travel O'Brien is waking up does not appear to be hip to the scheme of time travel. I was right there with you, Ben. Why doesn't he already know? Why isn't he awake and waiting?

Yeah, like, okay, what do we do? What do we got to do? Yeah, and just like the moment when you or I are asking each other these questions, like they have an argument about temporal mechanics in which they state how much they hate temporal mechanics. Like it's a slide whistle reference to the logical fallacy of this. Yeah, weird. I hate temporal mechanics. They make it up to ops just in time for the bangers to start a drop in.

And we get up on screen the Romulan Warbird coming in like a super high speed attack run on the station. And while they scramble to try and get the defenses going, the time travel of Brian collapses on the stoop there, and very weakly passes his time travel arm band over to Bathrobe O'Brien, who he sends back into the past to bring the message that the singularity and orbit around the station was not a space phenomenon, but was in fact a cloaked worship. Is there a pajama clad O'Brien and the playmates action figure collection? Because if so.

Oh man, with the arm band action accessory. With the time garter? Yeah. Give me that. It's like bright orange plastic with, it's not painted or anything. No. That's like the shittiest thing about those toys is all the little accessories are just like purple.

Yeah, they're not sensical. Like, like it drove me crazy as a kid that there would be like a purple tricorder. Like, that's not what color tricorders are. Yeah, I gotta tell you, I'm opening up every action figure I get, and I'm just throwing all that stuff away. That's probably sacrilege.

That probably means we'll stop getting sent action figures by the friends of DeSoto, but uh. Better take that out then. Ha ha ha ha. This is a crucial moment because, uh, the O'Brien's flip-flop time periods, they exchange. Yeah, and presumably the one that was totally irradiated died on, you know, in ops from his radiation poisoning. But Bathrobe O'Brien appears in the in Six Bay, like kind of creepily hovering behind the

doctor. Chief, what happened? And the doctor is like scanning him. He's like, what the hell? Why are you totally irradiated? What's going on? It's like I switched, switched with my counterpart. There's been a change.

They never even considered this as an option. It is crazy that the O'Brien that we get for the rest of the series, for the rest of his life, is not the O'Brien from this specific timeline, right? Yeah. It's bizarre. It's, uh, we'll have to watch him closely and see if he seems strange for any other reasons. He's always been a little squirrely. So, presumably, these Romulans have been interviewing

every person that lives on the station because we find out that they've been interviewing Quark, Cisco and Kira and Odo and some security guys barge into the conference room and say, Quark, you're free to go. And then they sure lock homes the Romulans about their evil plan. The evil plan was basically that the Romulans felt the Dominion was an unknowable threat and therefore they were just going to take it off the board by exploding the wormhole and

exploding the station was actually to cover up what they had done. They were going to make it look like the wormhole spontaneously exploded and the station was a casualty of that. An interesting theory commander. It's a great moment for Cisco specifically because he gets to rise to this moment and really throw it back in their faces. Yeah, and he's like, I got 50 photon torpedoes

aimed at your ship's dick. And if you don't want your ship's dick to get blown off, you'll call it off. I think it's time we left. This is an offense for which the Romulans should be punished, like diplomatically, but I get the sense that that'll never happen. Like, this is just the shit that they pull,

and then they never get punished. Romulans gonna rom. Like, this should be a war-making offense. They get beamed off the station instead of leaving on the ship they came in on to just think that was weird. Oh, I didn't realize that. Remember they came in through the Dacking Ring? Yeah, were they on a Romulans ship, though,

or were they just like, were they flying commercial? That's the thing, Ben. We never see the exterior, so we don't know. They have Delta radiation butt plug status. Yeah. The button on the episode is Bashir and O'Brien playing Dart again. Bashir is playfully needling him about what he might know about the future. Is this the same night

that the station would have presumably blown up? Like, because O'Brien knows that they're gonna get dabbo on the dabbo wheel over there and kind of teases his cork with that. But what he have gone and hung out in the bar all night with his buddy, Bashirir in the other timeline. Here's what my head can in presupposes.

It's that I don't know a lot about Davo, but I feel like it's a coin flip. The opportunity to fuck with Quark in the way that O'Brien has here is such that he's going to call Davo before it happens because it's probably a 50-50 chance that it does and if it hits it is just going to like melt Quark's mind. But also would this O'Brien know that Quark had asked for special future knowledge? Here's the thing, this might be a good question to answer during the Did You Like portion of the episode. Yeah.

Because I have some thoughts about this. Well, we could get to that. That's right now. You really want to do this here. Now, okay, okay, let's do it, do it. I love this episode, and I love it the more I don't think about it. Yeah. Because it is almost totally incoherent.

But if you just lay back and let the episode happen, it is fucking great. It is so much fun. It's like inception. It doesn't actually make any sense, but it's real fun. It's totally high stakes and totally fun because it's O'Brien involved. They did great in every element besides the actual time travel science.

But if you're gonna get bogged down a time travel science, you're gonna make an episode that's like primer, which isn't fun, you know The movie primer, I mean I liked primer. No, I I liked it too But like that movie was about time travel mechanics and and less about the characters involved where this episode is more character-based Yeah, I loved that they had the good sense not to do the face-to-face thing that Star Trek 6 did or Will and Tom Reiker did in TNG. Like they blocked O'Brien to O'Brien really, really well. And I think another piece that makes me love the episode, it feels a lot like a TNG episode.

It does, yeah. It's, I think a very strong episode in the button is the wrong button. Like, you don't want to end an episode like this on a scene that primarily provokes the thought, did any of that work or make sense. Yeah. Like, that's not the taste you want to leave in everybody's mouth, but... You want to believe that it mattered. Yeah, and I think it could have been ended that

way. And it would have been an almost perfect episode. Like despite the time travel making no sense, it could have been almost perfect. If it had ended in a way that felt impactful. But this it's like a slide whistle that also sort of kneecaps the rest of the app. If you're willing to accept everything up until the button, and I think the button happens fine. Yeah. And that's where I'm at with it. Like, if I'm viewing the entirety of the episode

and applying the same rules, and my rules are, don't think about it, then great episode. One of my favorite episodes of DS9 so far I would say fun Do you want to see if we have any great priority one messages? Yeah, let's hit it Priority one message from star fleet coming in on secured channel Stop alone stop alone stop alone Yeah, it's extra the interest alone could be enough to buy this ship Yes, extra. The interest alone could be enough to buy this ship!

Ben, our first priority one message is of a commercial nature. Hey! It's from our friends at AutomationGame.com. Message goes like this. Ever wanted to design your own Previa? Yes. Or a new Malibu for Picard? Well, now you can in Automation.

The car company Tycoon Game. be a CEO of a multinational car company designed cars and engines with powerful tools and mind-boggling detail set up factories and sell your own cars in various different markets. Wow. Available in early access on steam and it's made by friends of DeSoto and Wellington, New Zealand. Cool. I love games like this. Not shoot them ups, just the build something. I love games like this as well, and this sounds particular interest to me as somebody who has recently waited into the selecting and purchasing of a car.

Yeah, you're a recent carman, Ben. Yeah. The last piece of this message says PS can Ben, Adam, and hopefully John, please come and do some shows as well. I'm going to be a little bit more careful about the game. of a car. Yeah, you're a recent Carmen Ben. Yeah. The last piece of this message says PS can Ben, Adam and hopefully John please come and do some shows as we love watching podcast live. Man. Well, gotta tell our friends at automationgame.com that we have talked to our booking agent

about going there. It's something we want to do badly. So, yeah, no timeline for that. The thing that's gonna make it happen is if we can get some actionable intel on the size of our audience there. And I think we'd even be willing to do it at a loss just to get to go, but we need to be able to get like 200 people in a room, you know. A festival helps to, because a festival covers things that are expensive like hotels and flights sometimes. Yeah. Well, automation sounds like a great game and I'm pretty excited to check it out.

How do people get this, this game? It's available on Steam, which is a popular video game service, but also automationgame.com is where you can find out more information and get the game there. That's how the graphics look pretty great. Yeah. If you're a car nerd, especially like a cartooning simulator, it looks like a lot of fun. And I know you to be an actual car nerd. So, this is right near wheelhouse.

So to speak. Adam, our second priority one message is of a personal nature and it is from Gina R. Collins. Hey! And it is for Kevin Collins. Goes like this. Happy birthday anniversary and Christmas, my 42. You're one of my favorite time lords, Starfleet Officers and Nerds.

Thank you for introducing me to the pod and to our TGG family. Here's to our next adventure love always. Shout out to that TGG fam. Yeah, I mean, I wonder how Kevin feels that Gina has taken on my middle maybe Gina naturally had my middle name. Maybe maybe that's the middle name she was given at birth, but I suspect that she took it as a numb to gear the same way I did. So I wonder how Kevin feels about that. I don't know. Non-threatened, hopefully. Yeah, it seems like it's all in good fun and seems like there's a lot of love headed toward Kevin from Gina. Well, if you're a friend of DeSoto or even a family of DeSoto with a message for another friend or family member you can take it out over to Maximumfund.org slash

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Drunk Shimoda! Yeah, it's Bishir. Bishir fails to see the magic in this episode at all. And the moment where he should have felt it the most was he had watched his friend die. Yeah. And then the appearance of a second O'Brien should have at least made him raise an eyebrow. Yeah.

Doesn't even do that. Weird. Something's wrong with Bashir. I mean, I think you want a doctor with like steady surgical hands. Yeah. Someone who's going to give it to you straight. I, those are, those are behaviors

that I appreciate about Dr. Bersier. Do you think this is an over correction in their writing? Like, they, he was such a goofball, boso creep in the first couple of seasons that they thought, oh, we gotta make him more serious and more chief medical officer and more dispassionate. I do think that, I think that's what's happening here. My drunk Samota is quirk for Biff Tanning in this episode.

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That's of course the Netflix episode description. The Amazon description is Komatos and dying after an alien attack. Bashir must access different parts of his personality, which take the form of crew members to save his life. There's a writer that's seen the whole episode. Yeah, so that's kind of like a profit or experience, right? Yeah, kind of does. The picture on Netflix is of Garrick, and the picture on Amazon is of Old Bashir. Hmm, so this could be a weird app.

Looking forward to it, Ben. I am, too. Do you want to head on over to gosh.bizslashgame where we host Game of Buttholes? We love the profits and find out if we will be doing this in any particular type of way. Gotta do that.

All right, Ben, we are currently on square 43, where just ahead, we've got the traveler episode, and in the great, great distance, we have a space butthole ahead. Yeah, and that space butthole leads to a fuck it, we'll do it live. You're required to learn as you play, roll. I've got the die in my hand. I have rolled that die, and it is a one. Chula!

Did I win? Harvey. We are on Square 44 for the next episode, just a great and regular episode of the greatest generation. Yeah. Well, our thanks to our buddies, Felipe Superieiro and Craig Anderson, for making the,

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