The Greatest Generation - Tout Suite Goop Sweep (DS9 S4E1&2)

Episode Date: February 25, 2019

When the Klingons’ plan of “Stop, Frisk, and Blood Test” raises the tensions near the wormhole, Worf must find out their true motivations before it’s too late. But with Gowron personally leadi...ng the armada, Sisko must depend on guile (as well as a DS9’s newly installed torpedo launchers) to repel their attack. What’s the one thing NOT worth waiting for? Who is the red phone? Where do they keep the old uniforms? It’s the episode that plays some rough darts!

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Priority 1 message from Starfleet coming in on Secured Channel. Hey friends of Disodo. Before today's episode, we just wanted to take a moment to talk about the historic labor actions being taken by writers and actors in the American Film and Television industry. If you're a fan of the work done by the people who make Star Trek, we hope you'll join us in standing in solidarity with the folks who actually bring these adventures to life. Over the past several years, the AMPTP, the organization that represents the American Film and Television Production Studios, have reduced the profit from movies and TV going to workers. And in so doing,
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Starting point is 00:02:38 I'm Ben Harrison. Adam, a few weeks ago now, we opened some gifts from listeners. And among the gifts was some crazy straws, one for you and one for me. Mine says, fuck you Adam. Yeah, it's a big one. In cursive. And it is huge. I mean, I have like a 27 inch computer monitor and it's like about as wide as the computer monitor. So it's a big boy.
Starting point is 00:03:10 You really got a suck to use that one, huh? Yeah, you just sent a bunch of it down, a bunch of these things down here to me and this was among them and I haven't gotten to use it yet, so I think I've got what it takes. I think I suck enough to use this. Wow. Very special episode of the greatest generation featuring a live suck. Yeah, so I've made myself a little teaky beverage here
Starting point is 00:03:32 and lowering the straw in. It's a little nerve-racking because I don't know if this thing is totally watertight and it is dangling over such a large portion of my desk that there's really like kind of a lot that could go wrong here. Wow. But I'm going to go for it. All right.
Starting point is 00:04:02 Did you get any liquid at all? Or did you take a break? I'm taking a break and I've just gotten liquid up to the F. So that's where I met. Hold on. Wow. Mmm. Mmm.
Starting point is 00:04:20 Mmm. Mmm. Mmm. Mmm. Mmm. Mmm. Mmm. Oh wow, that was intense and also it will never be clean because it's now full of like sweet teaky drink. This is a bad plan. I should have done this with water. Yeah, you need a 10 foot pipe cleaner to clean that thing up. My jaw is exhausted just section. I was applying. It is extremely difficult to tire out that jaw, but it really speaks to
Starting point is 00:04:57 the length of straw you're working with. Yeah. Now for my next trick, I'm going to suck the chrome off of a trailer hitch. Yeah, that was part of the gift package. God, we got a lot of holiday gifts from our listeners. I'm glad you finally got to see the Bill Tilly, Deputy Director, Intelligence CIA cards. Yeah, those are great. I tweeted a picture of one of those. John Rodderick was particularly pissed off that those went to me and not him, I think. Oh, really?
Starting point is 00:05:33 Yeah, but that's good, you know. He's pissed off about everything lately. Ha, ha, ha. Yeah, just a great big pile of presents and a, I love our viewers. I love that somebody got the idea to make a fuck you Adam Straw and then actually made it happen. Yeah. It's a real straw that works. We received a couple more letters in our PO box bin and I'm thinking now would be as good a time
Starting point is 00:06:01 as any to read them. Let's do it. Captain, I'm sorry to disturb you. I'm receiving a Code 47. Verify. It is Code 47, sir. Start lead emergency frequency. Captions eyes only. Then we've got two letters here. Top one is from Rotterdam.
Starting point is 00:06:20 Whoa! The Port City in the Netherlands. Yeah. It's like one of the biggest ports in the world, right? Pretty great place in my experience Very nice paper letter postmark 6117 No kidding what I
Starting point is 00:06:38 Am not sure how this is possible Hmm O601 17 it was probably January 6th Oh, this is possible. 06 011 17. It was probably January 6th, 2019, and his seven looks like a, his nine looks like a seven. Okay. And they do the, and they do the month and the day in the other order in most other countries. I'm going to Jackie and Laurie you this seven because, I mean, of course it is how you say but also yeah get
Starting point is 00:07:09 a load of this fucking nine oh yeah that's a that's a seven right there's no there that is unambiguously a seven right okay maybe this is meant to like look aged because this paper is so old-timey looking. Yeah, it really is. Boy, oh boy, it is a... It's a novel, it's from our friend Patrick in Rotterdam. I'm going to give this a read. Dear Ben and Adam, thank you for creating the greatest generation and the greatest discovery and friendly fire.
Starting point is 00:07:40 Your podcast has cheered me in innumerable ways and has even helped my marriage. Whoa! Glad it's helping somebody's marriage! Yeah! You know, if you can just help one marriage, Ben. And it's not your own. It's all worth it. Patrick continues, my wife, who doesn't listen to podcasts, has listened to TGG with me, her mood before listening,
Starting point is 00:08:05 Arch. Her mood after? Well she no longer wants to mount my head on a pike. She's like, well at least you're not doing this. I did try to hook her on friendly fire but she was not willing to go that far. Why you may ask? I'm not sure, but I am thinking that it is because I listen to your work so religiously I even try things out that I hear on the show
Starting point is 00:08:28 After hearing about Ben's rock star road diet, exescapades last episode. I tried all the hot dogs all week Not a good call Now my face is pockmarked by acne scars not sure why it happened so fast, but I'm also taking test-astronone pills. Talk about side effects. Never been such a... ...herryman before. Heh. Jesus. Was that too much?
Starting point is 00:08:56 Might've overshared. I shouldn't be spending all day moistening fibers. Yeah. Mix me vulgar. It's fice to say, say with your help I've left my sorted career of lobbyism behind and become a productive, enterprising member of society. In fact, I've gone into physics. I've felt a technique to remove an
Starting point is 00:09:14 electron from a particle in such a manner that it resembles the action of rasping cheese in a motion paralleling that of the rotation of the earth. I haven't decided on a title but maybe you can help me name the project where I greatest generate Ion. P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P-P I wonder if this was all just a very long walk for that pun. I believe this is all in service of that joke. Wow. Come to the EU Patrick says, or don't, y'all are kicking ass either way.
Starting point is 00:09:54 Best regards Patrick. Patrick from Rotterdam with his two-page joke. Wow. I mean, I think we're gonna try and go to the UK, but who knows if that'll be part of the EU or not by the time we get there. I sort of feel like this letter was a deterrent. Thanks for the kind words, Patrick. We've got a second letter here. It is from Waldorf, and it is a postmark from South Hadley, Massachusetts. Wow. Inside Ben we have a holiday postcard with a picture of a menorah with four candles lit,
Starting point is 00:10:32 and ascribed next to it is there are four lights! Ha ha ha ha ha ha! Oh fun! A belated Hanukkah letter! On the back says Dear Ben Adam and Rob's glory to you and your house. This holiday season, a couple of batlets here, and they're oriented to look like Holly and there are some berries on the end of the tips of the batlets. Oh, fun. Are the berries or drops of blood? I mean, I think you could make the case for either.
Starting point is 00:11:01 Yeah. This card lovingly sent to us from Jillian. Fun. PS been to wrong. I just love checking our mailbox, Ben. Yeah, fun. Yeah, send us an email if you want the address for that. We love opening that stuff.
Starting point is 00:11:20 I love opening a brand new season, Ben, which is what we're here to do today. I cannot believe we're in season 4 of Deep Space 9 already. I know. Where has the time gone? It seems amazing to me. We get a special double stuff episode this edition.
Starting point is 00:11:36 It's Deep Space 9 season 4 episode 1, The Way of the warrior. Do you realize how incredible this is? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Yeah, I think it was aired like this. And so too, we will go all the way through. Yeah, I mean, it says parts 1 and 2 on the streaming service that I'm using. I see no reason to believe that it was ever aired in two parts. Yeah, I see no evidence of that myself, so that's what we got. And that's what we're here to do. That was goddamn Taylor! What's up with you? We come in in media race.
Starting point is 00:12:24 Cisco is bald. Kira has much more hair. They're hunting goops. Goop Hunters.biz. Yeah. They're running into empty quarters, like kind of like staged for Airbnb photos. They're spraying wide beam phaser rifle through the rooms.
Starting point is 00:12:43 And this is a goop sweep. And... Ben, could you say this is a toot sweep goop sweep? Pfft. Pfft. Is that something we could call this? Just, I just wanna like note for the record that when you say shit like that,
Starting point is 00:13:01 I give you a nice laugh. You really do, you're very generous. When I say shit like that, you just you a nice laugh. You really do, you're very generous. When I say shit like that, you just, you like walk out of the room. And I just hear you from the other room going like, Christ, why do I do this? I'm not a good podcast partner for you, Ben. I've never thought I was, something I'm working on.
Starting point is 00:13:20 Ha, ha, ha. They wind up discovering one in a room. It turns into a bird flies down a hallway and they're out on the promenade. You know, they're getting close to cornering this goop when turns out it was Odo the whole time. The game's Mr. Bucket. The first to get their balls into Mr. Bucket wins, but look out! Bite your dead! That's always Dr. Bashir. Dr. Bashir would have died. Had this been a real goop scenario.
Starting point is 00:13:49 And Odo was trying to whip the security apparatus of the station into shape. This is an unannounced drill. And they're talking to Kira about like scheduling the next one. They're doing surprise fire drills. And one member of the population of the station is none too pleased about this. If you're done scaring my customers away, I'd like to open the bar. Go right ahead. That is Quark, the owner of the bar and casino.
Starting point is 00:14:17 It's very disruptive to his business whenever someone pulls the golden fire alarm. I get it. Yeah. There has been a lot of lip service paid to the idea that war with the Dominion is inevitable and this scene starts and you believe that it has already begun and then it's a switcheroo. It's something that this series has started to do quite a bit. I feel like the last episode started with making you think that Cisco was leaving the show switcheroo. And this one, like we're coming back from the summer break, right? Like this is the first episode of the new season. And it sort of plays the audience into believing that they, And it sort of plays the audience into believing that they, you know, the wars started well. We were watching reruns of the Simpsons all summer.
Starting point is 00:15:10 I like it. And we've also pivoted away from the crew having time for hobbies. This is what they have time for now. It doesn't make it any less inefficient, though. Yeah. Like, this whole running from room to room thing doesn't seem like a sustainable way to be. They need a larger scale way To detect a changeling and they just don't have that right now. Right. So Sisko has a little date with his girlfriend Cassidy Yates and they're they're at the
Starting point is 00:15:46 And they're at the exchanging gifts for no reason phase of the relationship. She got him a ball cap of her brother's baseball team. He got her some kind of fancy scarf. Where did you find Volean silk? So good to see that, well, Goldpress Latinum is the currency of the station. She's a woman who's not always on the station, so he got her something very valuable to exchange in other parts of the federation, I guess. Yeah, money is a gift that always works. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:16:12 You know, like, if I bought clothing for my wife, like the odds of me nailing it are so vanishingly low that I don't even bother, you know. Just get her a gift certificate. She knows what she wants. Yeah, you remember when gift for no reason was a phase of the relationship, seems like a long time ago. Yeah, now it's just met with suspicion.
Starting point is 00:16:36 What did you do? The Cassidy Yates not suspicious at all at the full spread on the dining room table candles large amount of food here He's really pulling out the romance stops, you know Cisco out of the game long enough to have forgotten that you Definitely want to fuck before dinner especially It's a meal of this size. Yeah, he didn't he's not following the at the dance average Fuck first adage. Yeah, you're really gonna want to do that. Yeah. Yeah, some things are worth waiting for Ben But fucking is not one of them
Starting point is 00:17:17 Yeah, but they aren't even able to get to Eating of any kind because the nagvar has decloaked outside DS9 bin. Oh, the nuclear clinging out of flexure. It has a general martac at its command who asks like, hey, we're all friends here. Can my men come aboard? And very naively they're like, yeah, sure.
Starting point is 00:17:41 No problem. And promptly, like two dozen more ships decloke around the thing. It's that classic, even, invited someone to a party, but they've invited eight people you don't really know. Yeah. Yeah. That used to be a thing. It's not a thing anymore, I don't think, as we've gotten older, but that was definitely
Starting point is 00:17:59 a thing in college. Yeah. I remember. Yeah. Oh, I thought this was going to be a small intimate gathering. It is not. The klingons are greeted with a healthy amount of suspicion. I think a suspicion that comes with the surprise decloaking of an armada. Yeah. And they're also very well behaved in a way that that makes quirk suspicious personally. He's someone who is the bartender in possession of a decibel meter for some reason.
Starting point is 00:18:27 Yeah, I had an apartment in Brooklyn that was across the street from a nightclub. And on Friday and Saturday nights, it was just totally intolerable to try and sleep in there. And I actually had a couple of guys from the city come out at like 2am with a decibel meter to see if it like broke, you know, municipal code about how loud something could be. Very frustratingly
Starting point is 00:18:51 it did not. It was like too loud to sleep, but not too loud to be illegal. And how many times a night did you hear usher's, yeah. Like eight times. Yeah, I mean, they just had a loop. That's why I say it all the time now. Right. Quark wants it to be loud and boisterous in Quark's bar. Yeah, it's the sound of business getting done. Yeah, these klingons are too dour. It sure portends to a different kind of war coming up.
Starting point is 00:19:20 And before you're given too much time to consider it, we're in the war room whereaq is drawing his own blood so as to prove to Cisco and Kira that he's not a changeling. It's a McBloodland group. Issue 1! And this is the new rule of the game. This is the sort of paranoia that we live with now on the show. It's so dumb to cut your palm though. Yeah. Like that doesn't heal up quickly.
Starting point is 00:19:48 No. Like they do this in TV shows all the time. Like if you're about to go to war, you don't self-inflicted injury that's gonna take a long time to heal and will compromise your ability to use tools and weapons, right? Yeah. So, bed move, Martak.
Starting point is 00:20:03 But the Klingons are there to like help prepare for the war with the Dominion and you know they they just want to be good allies to the Federation and just goes like, well that's cool, but like nobody asked. And like we don't really think that the Dominion is like getting ready for anything like that. Like we're scanning the other side of the wormhole and like getting ready for anything like that. Like we are scanning the other side of the wormhole and no indication of a build up on that side of the border or anything. It would seem as though the changelings
Starting point is 00:20:33 dying words in the finale of season three have been transmitted on all channels and all frequencies to everyone in the universe. The seriousness with which this opponent has taken is counterbalanced by a cut to the hollow suites where Dax and Kira are getting their spa day on. Yeah, maybe people do have time for hobbies after all. Yeah, it seems that way.
Starting point is 00:21:02 They're not gonna let it ruin their lives. Right, and I mean, I guess the implication is that this is quite a bit later. Like this scene is partly to establish that like the initial tension of 30 Klingon chips showing up has dissipated somewhat. Yeah, that can be really the only reason for this scene's existence because it is not,
Starting point is 00:21:23 it's not a feeling that it's returned to at any point and nothing expressed in this scene really matters in the overarching story to come. Yeah, I mean like Cascura has resisted the hollow sweet. Didn't you play make believe in your child? Yeah, I used to make believe the Kardashians would stop killing the pejorans and just go away. Yeah. Can't stop Debbie Dallard. But that's all we really get out of it. That and some hunky, trail eye candy.
Starting point is 00:21:52 You don't wanna hollow sweet with someone who's not into hollow sweet though. Like this can't be fun for DAX. It's like taking a vegan to a barbecue restaurant. It's just like they don't wanna be there. You know, it's just like, they don't want to be there. You're not going to be able to order the huge platter that would be fun to order at this restaurant. It's not a judgment on them. It's just not the right person to bring.
Starting point is 00:22:14 Gold to cotton. The cup. Gold to cotton. So we cut to Odo and Garek and a scene where they have now become lunch buddies in the break between season three and season four. And a scene's reason for being that is to teach us a little bit more about Odo and his functions because the trivia here is that Odo can make himself into the cup and the coffee and then consume the coffee and then through his hand refill the coffee cup with himself.
Starting point is 00:22:47 It's the same magic trick that Fecsimile Bichir in the last episode played, but this time it's sort of being demonstrated as such. Yeah, it's interesting like low key establishes that Odo is learning about himself via every interaction he has with another changeling. Right. Because I don't think he would have thought to do this mid- season three. Right. Yeah. His imagination was too limited. It
Starting point is 00:23:15 establishes that Garek is going to be a character of note in this episode, which is good, because I generally like Garek episodes. Yeah, and that he's concerned about the situation on Cardassia because the Obsidian Order has fallen in the wake of their kind of being baited by the founders into the Gamma Quadrant. And he usually really has his finger on the pulse of what's going on on Cardassia and does not anymore. He can only speculate. It's all very alarming. With the Obsidian Order being dissolved, it doesn't feel like Cardassia has any kind of defense force available to them. And I thought Obsidian Order was sort of a special forces arm of the greater military industrial complex of Cardassia.
Starting point is 00:24:05 And that does not seem to be the case here. I think they kind of leave that intentionally squishy so that, yeah. Yeah, no, but I agree. One thing I noticed in this scene is, you know how girl Cardassians often have like some blue in their, in the spoon on their forehead? Feel like Gareth had a little bit of that in this scene.
Starting point is 00:24:27 Blue Spoon. You left me standing alone. Yeah, that's why I brought it up. Anyways. They observed some clingsons bothering Morn and we just won't tolerate that. No, we can't tolerate that. No, we can't have it. That's our mourn.
Starting point is 00:24:47 Yeah. I thought it was interesting that both Garrick and Odo go confront them. Like Garrick is kind of rolling as though he's one of Odo's deputies. Really, he's just like, he should really just stay out of it entirely. But I mean, if you're Garrick, it's got to feel good to have Odo like at your side, right? Oh, yeah, to be... Yeah, if Odo is your pal, you know that you're in better shape than most on the station, no matter what goes down.
Starting point is 00:25:16 Yeah, agreed. They scare these klingons off and then Garrick winds up back in his tailor shop and discovers that the klingons have just gotten the drop on him and they kicked the shit out of him. Uh-oh. They kinda toss his shop and give him the business. That's our boy. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:25:36 Yeah, our girl is Cassidy Eights and her ship, the freighter's Josia, is under attack, Ben. Yeah, she's, she named her ship after David Mammett's daughter from Girls. Like, hello, good name. Ha, ha, ha. So with the Josia under attack, they take the little D out to it.
Starting point is 00:25:58 And there's a greater sense of urgency here because, uh, Cisco's girls on that ship. Right. And the deal is that the, the Klingons are enforcing some kind of like security procedure that they just imagine will be what everybody wants them to be doing. We have orders to search all vessels attempting to leave a Jorin space. You are tortured by self-doubt and fear, and it is not pleasant to be around. And so any ship leaving the system, they are tossing and just goes like actually the
Starting point is 00:26:31 bejorns have a fourth amendment to their constitution and that's just not legal here. Like you have to have probable cause and like the light on their license plate being out does not count. Cisco really takes this interaction right up to the line of starting a war, like they fire some warning shots, they try to cripple the M-char, which is the ship that has got the Joja in a tractor beam. I'm so fucking sick of all of you.
Starting point is 00:27:00 And then they finally scare Commander K-Bock off of the Georgia and thus rescue Cassidy Yates from this bit of trouble and K-Bock retreats saying that Galron is going to hear about this in a fairly threatening way. Yeah It's not entirely true because We find out in pretty short order that K-Box dagger is given to Cisco, which can only mean one thing. K-Box did. He's been executed by Martak.
Starting point is 00:27:36 For not completing his mission of tossing the ship and palm testing everybody. Stop, frisk, and blood test was something that came from the top, came from Marthock. And so Cisco kind of has that blood on his hands. I love Marthock's loaf. He's like, he's like definitely seen some real action. Like he's a cling on, and he's got cling on loaf, but he's also like very heavily scarred. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:28:04 He is a rugged looking dude. He's got Klingon love, but he's also very heavily scarred. Yeah. He is a rugged looking dude. And when he comes into the office, like drops the knife off on Sisko's desk and yells like one word at him and walks out. So fat. That is a pretty threatening. So Sisko's looking to put a Klingon shield in between himself and the Klingons. And who are you going to call?
Starting point is 00:28:24 Ben. I'm going to call Lieutenant Commander Worf. between himself and the Klingons. And who are you gonna call, Ben? You're gonna call Lieutenant Commander Wurf. You're gonna give him a great big hero shot right off the bat. Yeah. You're gonna lasciviously drive that camera floor to ceiling on that body. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:28:39 Giving him the reveal befitting of a legacy Star Trek character. Some lip services paid to how devastating it must have been to lose the Enterprise. She was a good ship. Yes, sir. This episode, October 2nd, 1995, Star Trek generations came out November 17th, 1994.
Starting point is 00:28:57 You would think that Cisco would, I guess maybe it'd be impolite to bring up both 3.59 with somebody that served on on the enterprise, right? Yeah And yet you and I have said many times that it's not brought up enough. It should be where were you on 9 11 level Conversation. I mean it does come up in this episode, but they don't It's not it's not brought up here and I felt I felt that was intentional like they they left the tension of that in the room Warf has been sitting Shiva
Starting point is 00:29:28 on the planet of Borath after the entrepreneurs Untimely death in Star Trek generations and he's been questioning his future in Starfleet They press on this theme a bunch in this episode He's in a very similar place in his life to where Cisco was when he was first stationed on Deep Space Nine, which is a feeling of great uncertainty about what his future and Starfleet might look like. Warf is there to to sort of be the the Klingon whisperer for Deep Space Nine while these worships are present. You could say that Warf is going to be Cisco's Chadiche here, right?
Starting point is 00:30:08 Yeah, I guess so. The Chadiche is on the other foot this time. To start to get his feet wet, he heads down to Quirks Bar, which is where we know the the Klingons to be gathering a lot of the time. Reconnects with the Chifo Brain. I am Chief Miles Edward O'Brien. This is fucking spectacular. It's introduced to the doctor. Destroyes their dartboard with his wicked left arm dart throw. Am I right in that? Yeah, we're playing some rough darts. Is he lefty? Either that or he approached the game so not knowing how you're supposed to play
Starting point is 00:30:53 that he just like uses the hand that the dart was handed to and wings it. I could see that. Compliments Kira on her nice hat. Which unfortunately covers up her new haircut. She looks great. Yeah, a lot more volume for Kira in this season. I really like. And yeah, we see him like kind of unpacking in his room. We get to see there's a nice detail of him putting a picture of himself
Starting point is 00:31:20 and a teen Alexander down on a table. You talk about the amount of time that's passed. It has been a very long time since we've seen Alexander, so it is weird to see a teenage version of him. Yeah. He's clearly cutting his own hair. He's got that band T shirt on. He does not smile in the picture.
Starting point is 00:31:42 You know, all the qualities of teenager dumb display. I hate you. One thing that goes down in the bar though is that is that Worf like walks up like chess puffed out to the guy that kicked Morn's ass and really embarrasses this guy, right? Klingon's fight in a way that is familiar to anyone who watches Star Trek, but Worf in particular will always grab your ankle and flip you over. He loves that shit. Yeah, so much more than the Kirk chop.
Starting point is 00:32:12 He loves the ankle grab. But it turns out that this guy is actually Marthotks son. So when he's in his apartment later, Marthotks comes to take the knife back that Wurf took off of this kid. And it turns out that Wurf did this very strategically. He is doing this to get Mar-Tok's attention. And not speaking the Klingon language, but he is speaking Klingon to Mar-Tok when he draws him out like this.
Starting point is 00:32:42 I thought it would have been a fun meta moment for a warf two, give, Martak, not only, you know, that knife back, but Drex's knife, his son, like, as a fake out, like, wait, wait, did you just kill my son in the bar? Just knife after knife in his bag. Just dump them out. The suspicion that Cisco has is that the Klingons are not being entirely upfront about what their intentions are. And Warp doesn't exactly get that out of Marthok, but he does kind of establish, you know,
Starting point is 00:33:31 like there's a new Sheriff in town as far as Klingons are concerned, and I'm not going to be an easy guy to get along with if you're not going to be forthcoming with me. And if there's one Star Trek character who knows what being a sheriff is all about, it's Wurf. I've heard you of his Wild West episode in TNG. Did I show your face in this town again? We get some fun name-checking too during a Wurf-Calisthenics session with DAX. Yeah, we get to see Skullface.
Starting point is 00:34:02 We understand that his investigation has put him in communication with Gauron and Kaelas and his brother Kern. But. And you kind of realize that Worf is about as well connected as you could possibly be. Yeah. Like, he's got everybody in his role at X. Like, even today it is difficult to forgive the idea
Starting point is 00:34:21 of a text or a voicemail message going unreturned, but it seems like in the future that has got to be highly intolerable. Like there is no way you don't know if you've received a message from someone. And so the idea of warf being iced out here sends a message. No one will speak with me. I was thinking a lot about that. Like when Cisco is having his date with Cassidy Yates
Starting point is 00:34:45 and Dax's voice is just suddenly in the room, you know? Like, God damn it! I forgot to turn my fucking radio off, you know? Yeah, you don't want that going off at the wrong time. You can't screen your phone calls. So, after this bonding session with Dax, where it sure looks like they become good buds afterwards, Worf decides to get drunk with a family friend named Heraga, and he's a gray-haired Klingon man who is a great source of information.
Starting point is 00:35:19 Nothing more honorable than getting the elderly drunk and applying them for information. I suppose you have a right to know. Right, and that information is that the Cardassian government has been overthrowed with the help of changeling infiltrators. This really comes out in a later scene, but not before Warf is sort of security-shamed by Odo. It's like a cudd-ouddly, becomes clear that this old man is going to spill the beans and then Wurf is like staring out at the promenade the next day, like thousand-yard stare of a man who knows too much. And it becomes clear that Odo has been surveilling him heavily since he
Starting point is 00:36:03 came aboard the station. And like, it is really weird to me that they don't even address that Worf used to be a security man in this scene. Like, oh yeah, obviously that's what I would have done too. You know, I used to do a bit of security myself. Yeah, never brought up. Never brought up never brought up instead Odo level some thinly veiled threats to warf like you know I could have been the bottle I could have been the
Starting point is 00:36:34 glass I could have been the blood wine maybe you pissed me out this morning and I just got out of the sewer system. He's been everywhere, man. Yeah, but so, yeah, the Cardassians are... The Cardassian government's been overthrown. There's a new civilian authority in charge, and the Klingons are gonna go exploit this for... Kind of a war of adventure, right? Like the... Yeah.
Starting point is 00:37:02 The ideas that they feel bad, that they've made peace with everyone around them, that's not what Klingons are supposed to do. And they're gonna go get back to their old set trip in ways. They miss war and they miss the way that war made them feel. You can understand this. It made them feel strange, but also good. The thing is a Klingon attack on Cardassia
Starting point is 00:37:26 would jeopardize the pre-existing treaty between the Klingons and the Federation because it really puts the Federation in a bind. Like as treaty partners, you're sort of dragged into this war. Yeah. But if you don't have the Klingons back, then you're sort of breaking the treaty. The justification that they're using is that probably the Dominion did something to leverage on's back then you're sort of breaking the treaty. they would have shared some evidence of that with the Federation and made the case for what they're about to do.
Starting point is 00:38:05 And they have not done anything of that kind. This is the moment in the episode that I need to bring this up. And that is, are the changelings such a big part of the story now that you can't credibly believe any main character? Like, how can we believe Martok isn't a changeling right now? Even though he sliced his palm a couple of scenes ago, like, we we believe Martaq isn't a changeling right now, even though he sliced his palm a couple of scenes ago, like we don't know that this Martaq is the same as the one before. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:38:31 My attention is divided in every scene now. Right. Yeah, they need the gattica thing where everybody like every time they enter the room, they put their finger on a thing that draws a little droplet of blood. It's just impossible to background that knowledge anymore. Like it's always up front. Anyway, with the meeting between Martaq and Sisko revealing, like sort of outing this real plan,
Starting point is 00:38:56 they're like, well shit, we can't stop the Klingons because that breaks the treaty. We can't help the Klingons because that's fucked up. There's like, there's this hard place and there's this rock and we're stuck in the middle, man. We've got to somehow flush this intelligence down the toilet in such a way that it reaches the Cardassian sewer. We've got to back channel this shit and there is no red phone in Cisco's office. So what they do is they use the embodiment of the red phone on Deep Space 9, and that's Gary. Yeah, I really liked this scene. They call them up, and Cisco says, like,
Starting point is 00:39:31 measure me for a new suit. Don't forget the waist. I think I've lost a little weight. Another thing that cracks down, or your nut's hang is always a little too tight. And Gary doesn't know what's going on initially, but he plays along while they discuss playing on troop movements in a sort of unguarded way. Oh, thank you, Captain. I believe I have everything I need. And so the next scene is Garrick FaceTiming with GolduCut, and they hate each other's guts, but this is important news and important to all Cardassians. Right.
Starting point is 00:40:04 But I think it comes a little too late because the card... but this is important news and important to all Cardassians. Right. But I think it comes a little too late because the Klingons really blow right past the frontier of the Cardassian Empire and are headed toward the core of Cardassian space. And eventually it becomes clear that they're gonna go need to rescue the leaders of the Cardassian government.
Starting point is 00:40:24 It feels like a very Saigon is about to fall kind of situation, right? Yeah. And if there were a natural endpoint to a two-parter, this would be it. The disillusion of the peace treaty between the Klingons and the Federation happens at about this point in the episode also. Yeah. Gauron has withdrawn from the Kitamerah Courage. Which is fucking wild.
Starting point is 00:40:48 It's felt like for three seasons, Deep Space Nine has existed more or less out of the main through line of Star Trek and Star Trek stories. Like it's very frontier justice. But when you start fucking around with this treaty, it affects everyone. We saw this treaty in one of the movies. Yeah. That's how canonical it is. Yeah. Galron doesn't just want to go into Cardassian space. He actually wants to recruit Wharf. Come with me Wharf. Gloria, wait you on Cardassian. And the idea that there's like another career available to Warf is particularly tempting to him in this moment.
Starting point is 00:41:29 Unfortunately, it comes with so much leverage that it's either Warf take off his combat and join the Klingons or galron ruins his life by basically taking away all his property, dissolving his family name like the punishment for not coming along is pretty bad. I thought it was pretty rough that Wurf didn't blow a call into Kern to like consult on this issue. Kern, our family name will be disgraced for seven generations. Kern wakes up on his ship and none of his command codes work anymore. Like, give us that 30 second cutaway. That would be amazing. Yeah, I would love that.
Starting point is 00:42:18 Warf is always going to be the man of honor if we know him to be. So he thinks that what Martaq is up to is bullshit and he really sticks to his guns in a way that burns Karin's career to the ground. So this is collateral damage. To be quite honest about it, I was in a pale, I'm fucking in pain. Mr. Bucket, I have to revert back to my dead state school. Oh, I don't use the bucket anymore.
Starting point is 00:42:43 The idea that they have to go out and rescue the leaders of the Cardassian government is a fairly fraught idea because it has been established that there's a non-zero chance that these are actually just a crowd of founders that are on Cardassia to take over it and give the founders a toehold in the alpha quadrant. But that's what they got to do. So I get a couple of scenes before they head out there. One of them is a fairly tearful smooch goodbye between Cisco and Cassidy Yates. The promised filter game is super strong in this scene.
Starting point is 00:43:21 The scene is also interesting for its navy whyfification of Cassidy Yates here. Like there's a real sense that you know Sisko's leaving and he doesn't know for how long and he can't tell her what exactly he's doing. Yeah. And it's a real feeling for that reason. I think it's especially real feeling because she herself has been in danger already this episode. So they're both living in times that are not safe. It makes her character understand his mission in a way that I don't think she would have before. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:43:55 I think she would have aged re-ent his rocky a little bit if she wasn't put in danger in that first half of the app. So they get on the defiant. They're heading out there under a cloak, which is in violation of the treaty. And they're just going to rendezvous specifically with Golducot's ship so that they can rescue the leaders of this government. There's a little bit of a ticking clock here. They've got 52 hours until the Armada reaches Cardassia
Starting point is 00:44:25 prime. So that's happening in the background here as well. They're given some some temptations along the way. Like at one point they fly through a debris field of Cardassian ships and they don't even stop to scan for survivors or anything. Yeah. These are decisions that give a great amount of impact to what they're doing. You know, like, you know that Starfleet wants to scan for survivors. That's like the number one thing Starfleet does. Do we know at this point what Starfleet wants to do?
Starting point is 00:44:55 I mean, where is the admiralty in all this? But I wonder if they don't trust admiral's after the season finale or season three. I think the Chev is a lot more reassuring than that ambassador guy. Are those the Larry and Cannabis? It would have been nice to fly here into an episode like this. What'd it like to see here?
Starting point is 00:45:15 Yeah, do Cots got the jump on evacuating these people and put them on his ship. And it's do Cots ship that's under fire at this moment. Yeah, the puzzle is like they got a beam everybody off of it because the ship is gonna come apart in space. It's not in great shape because three Klingon ships are attacking it. So the Define actually engages them and blows a couple of them up and then it's like they're like tractor beaming the last Klingon ship while they drop their shields
Starting point is 00:45:47 and beam the Cardassian Survivors aboard. And I guess the idea is that the tractor beam is like minimizing how deadly the Klingon disrupt your fire is. Yeah. But they're taking some pretty serious damage. And this despite some discussion of new armor that the Defiant has added to it,
Starting point is 00:46:08 and they get all the Cardassians aboard. And I guess they're getting genetically tested down in six bay as they come aboard. Like, I get a funny scene with Dr. Bashir like insisting on it from Golducut. This episode really sets the tone for what's to come. Like when you see that Armada outside Deep Space 9, it is a breathtaking amount of ships
Starting point is 00:46:32 and effects work happening. And this fight scene between the defiant and these Klingon ships is fully developed and realized. And it is so far away it feels like from the pack magnification of these space wars that we got in the first couple seasons. Like it is exciting and several minutes long. Yeah, and it seems like the effects are at a new level. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:46:57 It's one of those things where I wish we had the HD remaster, but like, you know, the defiant like grabbing onto the other ship with a tractor beam and towing it and whipping it around in front of the camera is super dynamic and fun to watch. Just feels like they have somehow cracked the code of how to make this fun and exciting to look at. I thought for a moment the space soup wasn't going to be packed in the captain's chair, but it's here, Ben.
Starting point is 00:47:28 It's not going anywhere. The thermos is present. So the survivors are rescued and they zoom home, but they have to do it without a cloak. And that's a problem because they're being chased by that heavy cruiser and a bird of prey. Yeah, and so they're doing that thing where they're like radiating ahead to the station like, hey, we're coming back, but we're going to have company. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:47:49 Fortunately, they have retrofitted the station with a great deal of new armaments. That's great, except for there are also like 30 more cling on ships that have pulled up to the station to go supplement the ones that are already in Cardassian space prosecuting this war. And we get another totally lit combat sequence here. Like we get the like new torpedo launchers like deploying on the station,
Starting point is 00:48:15 we get all different types of pulling on ships flying around firing shots. Like I mean like one of those cruisers I think is the version of the cruiser from like Star Trek the motion picture. Yeah, like they got all the models out of the off the shelf for this one. They've got some old steel floating out there, which is great. Yeah. I love that there doesn't seem to be a shelf life on a Klingon ship. They'll just run that thing into the ground and this is is like a dynamic, almost like Star Wars level battle sequence because there's both the ship to ship stuff,
Starting point is 00:48:50 but also on the station, they've deployed guards with guns all over the promenade and stuff and we start to see boarding parties beam onto the station all over the place. There's a very extended combat sequence in ops. Yeah. Like, at the end of this episode, ops is fucking littered with violence. It's like two bodies deep, everything. It's so new on the show to get fight scenes that last this long to like a compound fight scene where there's like six moves.
Starting point is 00:49:22 Yeah. On people is so difficult, and they put so much into these scenes to make them feel real. Thought they did a great job. Yeah. I think that one thing that misses a bit here is that like nobody takes cover behind anything ever.
Starting point is 00:49:38 Yeah. I wonder if it's just that phasers punch through stuff, so taking cover is pointless. Yeah, maybe. And like everybody gets involved. Like, you know, Chief O'Brien is looking shots in the atmosphere, Dr. Bashir, like we get to see Odo beat the shit out of guys
Starting point is 00:49:54 with his bare hands, Garek and Ducat are defending the Cardassian government at the end of a hallway. Like Ducat has gotten his hands on a batlet somehow? That's great. It goes on and on and on, and it's that double episode luxury of just, we have time. Let's have fun with this. Like, let's make really extended action sequences.
Starting point is 00:50:20 It feels like strategically Galron sort of blew his load here because he boarded DS9 as soon as he took down their shields and did not board with enough people. And so as soon as the the boarding is put down and shields are raised again, he kind of lost the window because these cannons that have been mounted on DS9 are so effective that they're actually like doing real damage to the Armada, and the advantage that Gauron thought he had in numbers is actually evened in such a way that in the intervening time, like a backup fleet from the Federation has been en route. And so Gauron really doesn't see a way to win this fight. And there's an argument between him and Martaq on the bridge of their ship
Starting point is 00:51:09 where they're trying to decide whether to keep going with this offensive. And Martaq is on team fight until we die. And Gauron sort of on team long game. Again, the utility of Worf speaking that language comes into play because he's able to kind of tip Gauron over to like a withdrawal to Preserve the empires is not a defeat at all Destroying an empire to win a war is no victory. This is not an episode that ends with everything the same as when it started
Starting point is 00:51:46 an episode that ends with everything the same as when it started. We have klingons that are controlling parts of kardassian space. We have a very destabilized relationship between the klingons and the federation. Everything is different at the end of this episode. The conflict between the klingons and the kardassians and the federation versus the klingons is exactly what the Dominion wants. All scenarios benefit the Dominion. And they only realize it after having killed a bunch of each other's people. Yeah, like one of the last scenes in the episode is a visit that Cisco pays to Wurf. This is him coming with the paperwork that ends Wurf's commission as an officer in Starfleet.
Starting point is 00:52:26 Yeah. He's quitting. He's going away. I mean, it's hard to be sure because you don't get the scene of him taking off his combat and putting it on a table. That's how you know it's official. Anytime someone quits Starfleet. No, instead, Cisco kind of talks him into giving it one last swing. Cisco's like, you know, I have a red uniform just your size.
Starting point is 00:52:48 It belonged to Cal Hudson. Ha, ha, ha. Little awkward where the communicator goes on it, but, ha, ha, ha. Yeah, so, so, Worf shows up on the elevator and Ops in the next scene in his shiny new red turtle neck version of the uniform. And he is the new strategic operations officer
Starting point is 00:53:13 for Deep Space 9. Yeah, look at him. Lookin' good and red. He got to wear red a couple times on TNG in those alternate versions of the Enterprise Bridge, like when Riker's memory was being fucked with, for example. Right, yeah, it looks nice and red.
Starting point is 00:53:31 And I feel great to have him here. The ending is not all happy, because while the council has been returned to Cardassia, the Klingons aren't backing down from all this ground they gained during this episode, during their offensive, and they're looking to retain control of all of this space that they gobbled up. It doesn't look like peace is going to come anytime soon.
Starting point is 00:53:57 Yeah, it's bad news bears for the future, and it doesn't seem like the quadrant is on a great footing to repel and incursion by the founders but that's kind of how the founders run their shit. Did you like this episode, Ben? I did. It was very exciting. I like this stuff with Galron. I like the stuff with Martok. I feel like we have some fun and interesting characters and it's fun to bring Galron back. I kind of missed Jake and Nog in this episode. I thought they had enough time to maybe have like one or two scenes to see what happened to them during all of this. I thought it would have been interesting to find out. You know, like one thing that we have talked a lot about over the course of this project is the times when Star Trek sort of chickens out on changing everything, changing all the rules.
Starting point is 00:55:00 Right. All the rules feel really different at the end of this episode. rules. Right. All the rules feel really different at the end of this episode. And the last episode as well, like this episode picks up where the last episode left off and doubles down on that. Like, no, like this is going to like really change significantly over time. It's very interesting to watch a show come into its own like that. It sure is. I mean, I thought about at the end of this episode whether or not this could have been its premiere episode. Huh. Like, what if this were the first episode of Deep Space Nine? Because of those rule changes you mentioned. There are true stakes here,
Starting point is 00:55:38 stakes that extend beyond the station's walls, you know, like federation affecting stakes. And I really like that. It feels like a real Rubicon of an episode in that, like, nothing will ever be the same after this. And, like, you can feel how confident the show has become in its effects work, which I don't, I think maybe, maybe they couldn't do an episode like this three years ago, because they just didn't have the money or the resources to make those things happen. But now, now they do. Now you can tell these great war stories, and it's great to see. I didn't realize how much I had missed war, like it's very comforting to have a legacy character back. Like in the same way that I momentarily was so happy to see Riker Kamatamas on the show
Starting point is 00:56:31 in the last season. Like it's not just nostalgia, it's like a real affection for these characters. And I think Wurf can do nothing but good here in my mind. I think I'm excited to see what he does and how he interacts with the crew. Yeah, me too, man. Feels like the beginning of great things and I hope it is. Well, do you want to see if we have any great priority one messages in our inbox?
Starting point is 00:56:55 What are the chances, Ben? Priority one message from Starfleet coming in on Secured Channel. I need a supplement on it. supplement on it, come. supplement. that. supplement on that? supplement supplement Yeah it's extra. But the interest alone could be enough to buy this ship!
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Starting point is 00:59:00 you can do either of those over at Maximumfund.org, slash jumbo-tronon where personal messages are $100 and commercial messages are $200 and both of which support the ongoing production of the greatest generation Hey Adam. What's that been? Did you find yourself a drunk Shimoda? Morns fuck this when the klingons are acting the fool at Quarks. It is a really great moment for me. Morn gets a couple of moments in this ep that I think merit a mention.
Starting point is 00:59:34 That's one part and then also that he is the first person through the door of Quarks after it reopens. Like the door hasn't even finished swishing open entirely and mourn is in. Yeah. And I love that about him. Yeah. He's sort of like the, uh, the canary and the coalmine, right? Right. Like, mourn isn't around. I feel like you're in true danger.
Starting point is 00:59:54 Stop worrying about decibels, Quark. Just look for mourn. Yeah. It's like Mr. Roger says, look for the morns. He was famous for saying that. Yeah, put little kids' minds at ease, you know, if there's ever, if there's anything going wrong, look for the morns. What about you, Ben? My drink should be about it is quirk.
Starting point is 01:00:24 Pretty early in the episode, I think it's maybe when Wurf shows up in the bar the first time, Quark is pouring a beer for Chief O'Brien, and he's pouring it out of like a coffee pitcher. Yeah, yeah. And then later in the episode, there's a scene where like Quark and Garrick just have kind of a heart to heart
Starting point is 01:00:43 about how much they hate humans. And Quark pours Garrick a root beer out of the same picture. We didn't give that scene a bunch of chat on the show, but I thought that was one of the best scenes in this episode was their conversation. I did too. We were trying to keep it to like a normal length of episode despite being a double up in terms of how much content we had to get through. Yeah. And I do feel like we've breached past a few of those scenes, but that is a great scene, but I was very distracted by that weird like insulated urn at Quarkas.
Starting point is 01:01:19 Presumably behind the bar he has one with beer in it and one with root beer in it. You got to practice good beverage hygiene because if you mix those things up or you're sharing the container and either of those are going to taste good. Yeah, it's like when you ordered decaf at a restaurant, you see him pouring it out of the, out of the caraf that doesn't have the orange spout. Right. Okay, what are you doing? Gotta get that orange spout. Right. Okay, what are you doing? Gotta get that orange craft.
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Starting point is 01:03:20 No, they do not, and they've such short nacks. But I'm hearing we need to get on this. So gotta get on the arc. It is about do not, and they've such short neck. But I'm hearing we need to get on this. So, gotta get on the art. It is about terrain, about a spout to destroy humanity. Hey, oh, sorry, sorry, sorry. Are you Noah? Yeah, I know we look like humans. We're actually, we're podcasters.
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Starting point is 01:03:49 O'Neil Ross and Kerry, available on MaximumFun.org. The next episode is season four episode two, the visitor, when a tragic accident causes Cisco to vanish before his son's eyes. Young Jake begins a lifelong obsession to bring him back. Must have been your lifelong obsession. What's that a reference to? That's a, that was that line from Star Trek 6 with the two curks that I can't believe I kissed you line. Wow, so we're pivoting out a war a little bit. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:04:32 Sounds like and it sounds like what could be a bottle episode perhaps. Yeah, well Adam you've got you've got the action today. Do you want to roll them bones and see how we will be doing this episode? Well, we're required to learn as we play this game of Deep Space Nine. Ben, it's the game of buttholes. We'll have the profits. It's the game that we play at the end of every episode to decide how. We watch the next episode. You're required to learn as you play. Roll. We are currently on square 73 of the game board.
Starting point is 01:05:10 And out in the distance, what we have is a square that says the nth degree. That is our extensive research episode. An episode that we've never done an episode that way before. Yeah, really changed almost everything about this show. It's the Mission Log Square, Ben. Yeah, yeah. That's five squares ahead. If we land on that one, we will be outsourcing the show
Starting point is 01:05:34 to our friends at Mission Log, who will be happy to do a set salad for Mission Log. There in no way annoyed at our very existence. All right, here goes nothing. I have rolled a one. Tula! Did I win? Aw, big.
Starting point is 01:05:55 Which seems to be the only roll possible for me. Moving us just one square ahead to square 74. It's a regular episode, Ben. Fun. Alright, well that'll be next week looking forward to it. In the meantime we got a bunch of thank yous to give out. The biggest thank you really goes to the folks that go to MaximumFun.org slash donate and support this show on an ongoing basis. It has really changed our lives and we really really appreciate it. If you'd like to do that, there are gifts at just about every level of support and the Max Fund Drive is coming up soon,
Starting point is 01:06:33 so there'll be even giftier gifts then. We really appreciate it. Yeah, the show is impossible without your support. We also need to thank Anna Magusia, who made a bunch of original theme music for our show, and dark material, who made the original Picard song that was the theme music when we started the show. Thanks both for the music. We also see you, Card Daddy. He's built till in 1973 on Twitter.
Starting point is 01:07:07 He is the creator of all the great and hilarious trading cards that get posted to Twitter after every episode. He's doing great work, weekend and week out, and we love him for it. We sure do. If you would like to talk about the show, use the Grace Jan Hashtag on Twitter, go on Faces book, go on Reddit, go on the wikia, there's all kinds of great ways to connect with other friends of DeSoto, talk about the show, and yes, and the jokes. And with that, we'll be back at you next time with another great episode of Star Trek
Starting point is 01:07:40 Deep Space 9 and an episode of the greatest generation deep space 9 which uh probably hugs our fathers a little more than usual Make it sound. Maximumfund.org Comedy and Culture, Artist Don't Listen or Support it.

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