The Greatest Generation - Trapportunity (VOY S1E10)

Episode Date: April 19, 2021

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Welcome to the greatest generation Voyager. It's a Star Trek podcast from a couple of guys who are a little bit embarrassed to have a Star Trek podcast. I'm Ben Harrison. I'm Adam Pryanaka. Overflowing with embarrassment. You hate to hear it. Like the parasite toilet. I was talking to our buddy Joshua who's going to make emotes for our our Twitch account. And still trying to make Twitch a thing. Are you? I believe the friends of DeSoto have made Twitch a thing. I don't think we really have much of a choice on that. Do you feel like we're too late on it?

I feel like when the pandemic first started, that would have been a wise time for us to jump in. In typical fashion, where a good year passed when it's cool to do a thing. Yeah, I don't know, man. I've been having a lot of fun doing it. I mean It's been like pulling teeth getting you to show up for any of them, but

When you promise me that it's gonna be a cocktail episode I clear my schedule Said everything outside. Yeah, but I was I think we only get like five custom emojis for the account at our current level of access. And so I was trying to narrow down what emotions we should have. And embarrassment was like not in contention for being cut from the list at all. Like that's the number one emotion of this program. What do we got?

What can you share? What the five are at this point? Shoot, that's a... I put you on the spot. That's an email I sent and forgot But yeah, we've got Joshua Jones the the Joshua Jones the chief emoji designer for emoji pdf is gonna make the Emotes for our twitch account or friends with powerful people. That feels good. We could. If we have an emoji problem that we need solved, we go right to the source.

This actually gives me a great idea at them. We're not just friends with Joshua Jones, we're also friends with Jeremy Birch, the proprietor of emoji pdf. A man who lives on one of those weird canal boats that goes around England. That's great. Yeah, like he occasionally posts photographs

of his lifestyle. He's a boat dad, is that what you're suggesting? I don't know if he has any children, but he is a boat dad in all but actual effect. To me, I think the main qualification of being a boat dad is the boat. Fatherhood is a decent second. I don't think it matters to me anyway.

It's like when you're not a father and it doesn't really matter. It's like when Max Fisher tells his father that he's like a clipper ship captain married to the sea. When you're a boat dad, your child is the boat. Yeah, that's true. the sea when you're a boat dad, your child is the boat. Yeah, that's true. And unfortunately, your child can't take care of you in your old age. But, but, but here's an idea that, that hit me just now.

There's already a live long and prosper hand signal emoji. Mm-hmm. What if we could get a Horgon emoji into the Unicode official list? I feel like you and I, with the Friends of Dicitoto, could start a campaign to make the Horgon emoji, at least come up for legitimate consideration. Is there a presentation we'd have to do before a board?

Yeah, there's like a, the Unicode Consortium has like meetings where they vote on submissions to the list of emojis. I feel like this is the kind of useless bullshit we should be spending our time on. You know, when you think about the dark characters who truly run the world and its financial systems, the Unicode Consortium, if you were to just like start naming, you know, generic names for such a group, it sounds like they're who actually run things. Yeah, yeah, like it sounds like another company that you would hear offhandedly mentioned in a Robocop film.

Yeah, like I, you know what, first I really liked the bank that my mortgage belonged to, but then I got bought by the Unicode Consortium. Now, I don't know who my lender is anymore. Between Uxbridge, Shimoda, and the Unicode Consortium, we've really got some depraved evil corporations. I like that vibe. Look, no one's ever kind of respect Benjamin R. Harris and her Adam Pranaka, but I think I think a stranger, there's a generic amount of respect for Uxbridge, Shimoda, just as a name. Respect and fear, frankly. That sounds like a company that would exploit its two employees. It is a company that does. I'm thinking about unionizing.

Yeah, we held no, we won't go. We should have a little sit in. Well, I don't know. Tweet at the greatest trick Twitter account, if you think the Horgon should become an official emoji, I think we can build a head of steam around this, make it a movement, you know? So tell me what would happen if it were. It would just be findable in the emoji keyboard

for every device. It would just, it would be available generally. Exactly. Wouldn't that be great? Like if Star Trek had two emojis and Star Wars still had zero emojis, wouldn't that be just the best? Yeah, that'd be great.

That fucking rule. We would never stop gloating about that as a community. Star Trek would finally have won the Culture War, which is something that really matters to a lot of people. Finally, finally. I could maybe sleep through the night for once in my miserable life. Oh, man, you really said it.

Yeah. How, hey, how, how do you, what mean sleep? How do you do it? How do you get back on the sleep horse? Because, I mean, your sleep life has been shattered for a long time. Yeah. Mine has been recently too. I got nothing, man.

I've got, I have no tools. All the tools I used to use don't work anymore. My mind feels like mush. I actually, I became afraid today that, like what's the main, one of the interesting COVID effects is was mind most right like that. Oh yeah yeah yeah slow mind. You're foggy. If you've got long COVID you could get foggy forever. Fogged brains. I can't remember being as

foggy as I feel today at this moment which is the perfect time to record a podcast. Yeah. And when you want to be, when you really want to put your wit on display, what you want to do is lose out on a lot of sleep. They say you want, you know, to be, to be gregarious, to be a good host of anything, to be just peak personality and want that one and a half martini buzz going. I think, I think we both know that, but I feel like I've had 10 martinis. You've been going through a ton lately, man. It's, I think it's only natural. And I think the important thing is to just keep in mind that like when you're going through a shitty thing, that it's a temporary effect, you know, sleep will come. It will come. David, after dentist, this is not forever.

See, this is a, this is what happens when your body isn't responding in a way that it usually does. You can't just focus on it because then it's really not going to do the thing you were hoping it would do. Right. It's just going to retract. What I'm experiencing is sleep retraction. Like when a man goes swimming afterwards. It's sucking it's sucking back into my body. You have ED but for sleep. I really need that sleep to work Ben and I keep like I keep flicking my sleep and And I keep like, I keep flicking my sleep. And, and nothing is happening.

My sleep is just hanging useless. Like a frightened turtle. Maybe do a couple of packets of that CBD that company sent us. I don't know. Yeah. And we got a hell of an episode to get into today. I think we should get into it.

Yeah, I think it's time. I mean, look, this being a Benjamin R. Harrison edited episode, I mean, I'm available to just draw this baby out. Okay, okay. Well, let's keep going on this, Marin then, buddy. Marin Ezra, Venge, that's not a good idea. I want a healthy, productive relationship with my friend and co-host. I don't want to, I'm not going to sabotage the

Marin. Let's get into it. You're right. You're right, Ben. Let's do the show. Let's show up for each other, man. Now more than ever, that's what we need. It appears as though we've reached that moment in every greatest, Jen, where we pivot from the open to the show itself. It's a specific state of the show. Yeah, we've reached that. What I like to call the boiling point where the bullshit cannot continue and we've run out of things to talk about.

So we have to start talking about an episode of Star Trek. In this case, season one, episode 10, avoid your state of flux. Breaver. And unless you've got something a little bigger in your torpedo tubes, I'm not turning around. This is an episode that begins under the harsh light of an away team mission. We're in a way team race here. It's very funny. I just watched. I am almost positive that this is Runean Canyon and then they shot this this cave is the bat cave. And not only did I recently take a hike and visit this cave, because this is like a popular hiking destination in Los Angeles,

I also just watched it episode of Baywatch that was shot at this exact cave. And wow, I was, I was really tripping out on the, on the, I mean, there is kind of a huge amount of Star Trek Baywatch crossover. A lot of shared directors, a lot of shared bit players and, and like, you know, you five actors showing up on both shows. like, you know, U5 actors showing up on both shows, but the specific cave was a real trip because, I mean, Star Trek has kind of, we talk about Star Trek caves a lot, but it's pretty rare that they shoot in a real cave. It's a location you sell off, and I wonder how often a person wants to go and visit and you just can't because it's being used for a production.

Exactly. Sorry, you can't go in there. There's a guy dressed as a talaxi and running around and it wouldn't be safe. It seems like something that, I mean, I'm sure we'll eventually know at the answer to this question, but I wonder if there are limits to locations, especially around L.A. where like, look man, that cave at Runyon Canyon, it's already been booked for half the year. Like, we can't, we're not allowed to book it anymore. It's like a wedding venue that's really pop. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, the, the bat cave is pretty fucked out, I would say.

Yeah. So this, this is an away mission that is all about collecting edible plants for to restock Nielix's galley. And Lieutenant Kerry is really psyched because he found something that looks like an apple. An apple. And in the process of describing how you would be poisoned by this fruit if you chose to eat one

Neelix nearly cocktaps carry Oh, you get a sharp pain in your knees Which begins to work its way right up to he is like really going for it and Chico te has to grab his arm mid mid flick and Put a stop to that. I think we got the picture. I thought that was pretty intense like Chico take kind of stepping in as the HR department on this episode. Is the suggestion that Carrie would ordinarily wear a cup in a way mission? Yeah.

Yeah. Nielix is walking down the line with one of those aluminum bats to make sure everybody has their cup on. I just also want to say that I forgot Carrie's name for a good portion of this episode. And whenever he popped up on screen, I just referred to him as not O'Brien. He does have the bizarro world O'Brien vibe, doesn't he?

Josh Clark, through no fault of his own. No relation as far as we know to the Josh Clark of stuff you should know, a dear friend. Yeah, just looks a lot like Miles O'Brien. I am Chief Miles and with O'Brien. This is fucking spectacular. He really does. I think he's still a working actor.

You hope so. He's a great looking guy. He is just aged into such a rugged face. I just have that as I have TV photo. Oh, let's see. Wow. I'm gonna click in. Yeah.

Okay. You know what? I wish I didn't click because now I see how many episodes he's in and I feel like he may not be long for the Voyager world. Wow, spoiler alert. Yeah. Anyways, up in orbit, Lieutenant Paris starts to get the sense that there may be more than one ship in orbit of this, we thought, uninhabited planet. And they're able to confirm this. Tuvac shoots this pulse out and it kind of lights up space

near where the ship is and you get like the shadow of the ship behind the pulse of bright light. It seems like a technology that could have and would have been deployed on TNG for 40 episodes trying to detect the cloak ship. Like Mr. Warf, fire the glitter cannon. Yeah, they say it's not precisely cloaked. And I wanted techno babble to the effect of like, in what way is it not cloaked? Like, why didn't you pick it up with sensors if it's not cloaked? Is this the one and only reference?

I mean, well, we find out later that this is a casingship, but the casings clearly have cloaking technology. It wasn't used the first time we ran into them, right? Or was it? Well, it's implied in some of the dialogue that the, I mean, this jumping way ahead, but it's implied in some of the dialogue that the Voyager crew member who's been in contact with them gave them the idea for this. So, something that they wouldn't have come up with on their own, I guess. Can you imagine being a space-faring species with cloaking technology, but not replicator technology. What a bummer. Is there a tire ship, like, food storage then?

Nothing but bloodworms. You couldn't get very far without a lot, a lot of food. Or maybe they just eat, like, pill-form food. Like, they're, like, one of those 70s sci-fi futures where everything is consumed in, like,'re like one of those 70s sci-fi futures where everything is consumed in like a like a nutrient pellet. They're so hangry all the time, like yeah. Their attitudes are such a bummer that I would imagine they're pill people. The case on mistrim is one of the most violent sex in the entire case on collective. Not exactly bun vivon, so over there in the case on mistrim.

Not exactly bun vivon, so over there in the case on Nistrum. No. So Janeway orders that the away team needs to scramble back to the service and they're kind of doing a head count as they prepare to beam everyone up. And Ensen Kim is like, you know, Ensen Cesca isn't here and Coates is like, yeah, of course, she's the transporter chief. Obviously she's the one back on the ship, beaming everybody up. And Kim is like, no, she doesn't have that job anymore for some reason. You remember the outlines of bodies that were crudely drawn next to her station? As if she was some sort of like fighter pilot in World War II?

as if she was some sort of like fighter pilot in World War II. So, Chicojee does something that I think is pretty sus here, which is he says, all right, everybody back to the ship, I, by myself, will go look for her in the caves near where she was, you know, picking olives or whatever. Chicojee, you gotta use the buddy system, dude. You're so right here because like throughout the entire episode, I was like, no one suspects Chicoote. Ever. And yet Chicoote is frequently around Cesca.

Yeah. And as a history with her that is much more complicated than either of us realize. Right. Right. So yeah, he goes into this cave and does see a couple of caesons walking around and he runs into Seska. She nearly shoots him because she's been hiding from the caeson quote unquote.

And then they get in a gunfight with these guys. And Chico day takes a hit and they gotta like do the like no soldier left in the field thing where he throws his arm over shoulders and she like helps him limp out. Yeah, it's got to hurt especially for being shot in the in the chest shoulder area. Yeah, it's probably not a part of the body you want to move. Yeah, yeah, it doesn't seem like the K-Zon's phasers are that rugged though. They're not like, you know, like the gem of the art shoot you and it's like giving you a blood infection. And the case hunt shoot you in the chest and you're like, ow, ow! Hey, I mean, thankfully it looks like the wound is healing nicely.

Kind of early. Very irritating though. Yeah, ooh, that's smart. I wonder how reluctant the show was to shoot in a real cave after giving us so many episodes of Star Trek caves because the difference is really striking. Well, it seemed to me like they cut kind of in between real and set or something because there's the shot of Chico Te Walking in, which is clearly the Batcave. Like it's a real, it's a real formation of rock with dirt and like exterior light behind him that they can't

expose properly because outdoors. And, and then when he finds Sesca, it, it looked maybe more like a set to me, but it also looked really big and deep relative to the Star Trek caves we're used to seeing. Like it looked like a much bigger and more elaborate Star Trek cave set. And I was like, oh man, we're gonna be in here the whole fucking episode because they really

splashed out on this cave set. And no, this is the last we see of it. Wouldn't you be nervous about matching up the footage, though, like, I would shoot everything in that cave. And then if I had to shoot in the Star Trek cave to try to match, but yeah, I'd be horrified at the prospect. Yeah, they did a nice job though, it looked good. I'd give you a little bit.

Chico Tay recovers quickly on the ship. It looks like his cave drawing hand is usable at least because he's in a very darkened quarters working on this thing when Sesca walks in. This is an entire episode that is lit very uniquely, I would say, and I think but that starts here. This darkened quarters is a brand new look for the show, I think. He has a very gloomy lighting scheme for his quarters and that seems like that's like the way he keeps it on purpose. Yeah. You left me on Genesis.

Why did you do that? What Zeska was gathering on the planet's surface was mushrooms, and she shows up with like an urn full of mushroom soup, and starts like bragging on how that she had some friends like pulled a caper where they distracted Nelix and got him to leave the galley so that they could raid it for ingredients, and she could make him his favorite type of soup. And Chico Te is like mid slurp when he finds out that this stolen soup valor. You loaded the food reserves? No. He sets the spoon back in the broth and pushes the bowl away, disgusted. I love how much runway Aseska has given to tell this story. Like, no, it's such a long walk. If you had any question about who the main character of this episode is, it's answered

right here right now because they basically like, Aseska gives us the good fellow story of making Marin Harris us from prison here with this story of how the mushrooms fell off the back of Nelix's truck and the take that Robert Beltrein gives in response. I don't know man like the soup's been made. The damage has been done. I don't think you get, I don't think you want to waste that soup to go today. And plus a really good mushroom soup, nothing like it. One of my favorite soups. It's fucking spectacular. I'm not an entirely against soup person, but of course.

I am, I always marvel at how much you enjoy soup. Like, it seems impossible to make the like soup as much as you do. There's a test kitchen recipe for a mushroom and rice soup. Oh yeah, is it fussy? It's fussy as hell, man. It's so fussy. That's the, that's one thing that every test kitchen recipe has in cop. And it's like, we're gonna teach you how to make garlic bread in 18 kind of complicated steps.

You're gonna use every pot in the kitchen for this garlic bread. It will really surprise you why that is. Right on cue, Nielix radios in about the stolen shrooms. I'd like to report a crime. After Chico Te hangs up on him, Sesca kind of pivots into a, you forgive me because we used to have a thing, right? Like, you're not going to throw me in the brig. Not like you used to anyway.

The way this was revealed blew me away, because she's kind of implying that they still have a thing and then he has to kind of like remind her, no, we broke up, remember? Yeah, and there's like that cool film noir. You know, there's a reason baby that we didn't work out before and it's totally unstated. I mean, and they are looking out a window while they talk about it. I'm not sure if I'm mistaken. I'm not sure if I'm mistaken. I'm not sure if I'm mistaken.

I'm not sure if I'm mistaken. I'm not sure if I'm mistaken. I'm not sure if I'm mistaken. I'm not sure if I'm mistaken. I'm not sure if I'm mistaken. I'm not sure if I'm mistaken. I'm not sure if I'm mistaken. I'm not sure if I'm mistaken.

I'm not sure if I'm mistaken. I too ate the offending soup and therefore I will have my replicator rations revoked for two days. He's really insufferable with that moment and really throughout the rest of the episode, it's kind of a tone setter for him. Yeah. Yeah. When you root for Tuvac more than Chico Tay and you like being with Tuvac more than Chico Tay because Tuvac seems like he'd be more fun to be around I think that's a problem for your non-volcan characters. Yeah TuVac's the kind of guy you want to have a beer with. Yeah, Chico Tay is just like kind of exhausting at this point Yeah, SESCA resorts to using Ensign Kim as a sexual threat. I have had my eye on young Anson Kim.

Right. Which, you... There's our theory that Anson Kim is low key, the number one stickman on the ship. Right, and I think this is a threat that Chicoote needs to take seriously. It's a lot to process, but we don't get much time because Chicoote is called up to the bridge.

There is a case on ship in distress. I guess it's the same ship that they saw in orbit. And they're getting really bad video call quality. It's like one of our Twitch streams in the early days, like really breaking up bad sound quality. No good. You don't like that. It's an emergency face time, which is I guess I guess he grabbed the side of his ship and held down the side button for three seconds

And this thing went out and then that that like Totally horrifying moment when you push it again to try and turn it back on and nothing happens for a minute Yeah, yeah I don't know anyone who doesn't believe their phone for at least a second will never turn back on after doing that. That's a fear everyone has. It is by far the most upsetting thing

about the way the iPhone is that those buttons just don't seem to be connected to anything when you try and turn it back on? It just works. They talk a little bit about how this distress signal is probably a trap. They don't really have a lot of trust built with the case on and have every reason to believe that this is some kind of scheme. It's Nelix who gives this voice. Yeah.

Nielix, go back to the fucking kitchen, man. Yeah, shouldn't you be supervising that stuff? Hey! Given the recent crime wave that has hit it. Yeah, like as the guy who just had his pants pulled down and his mushroom stolen, like, ha ha ha. Give me a break.

Janeway says, maybe this isn't a trap so much as a trap opportunity. Yeah. Because the case honor like one of the big players in this quadrant, it'd be really great if we helped them out in their time of greatest need. And then started to build some trust and made an ally in them. I mean, put another way, they might have something of value over on their ship. Maybe we open up the velcro of that trapportunity in an attempt to keep some of their assets over there. Yeah, and Nielix is like, trapportunity keepers are banned in my school. Turns out they keep all their valuables cinched in using these plastic rings that like

Like all you have to do is pull hard and and their stuff comes falling out Yeah, and then it's broken. Yeah, they asked their parents for a replacement. Yeah, a little waste so they beam over to this ship and Everyone on this ship is like frozen in carbonite There's like melted metal goo all over the place and K-Zone that just got caught in it. Another example of CESCA being involved in a weight team and not being the transporter op, I think you could sprinkle in a couple of scenes

of CESCA getting onto the pad, looking a scant at the new chief here, you know? Yeah, yeah. I wish they'd given a little voice to this because like they do talk about like lieutenant Kerry not getting tapped on the shoulder to be head of engineering. I think that it's very clear that Sesca has been taken off

of transporter duty. Right. I wish that they'd had like, to Cote say like, listen, Sesca has been like turning people into cat food left and right with the bad transporter operations. Let's start sending her on a lot of away missions, you know, that's a good way to get rid of somebody

that's a bit of dead weight. We cut to Susque on the away team and she's looking at these people who look like they've been beamed inside of walls and stuff and she's like, like it's PTSD for her. It's from all the times she's done that to people. I feel personally attacked by this away mission. They're like, Cisco, when are you see if there's any radiation on the other side of that

field? Yeah, go ahead and walk right through. Yeah, the blocking of the scene and in subsequent scenes, continued to confuse me because it's made very clear through my hands that there's a field up for their protection. And then Seska just kind of walks around it into the foreground of the frame in a way that was very confusing for me.

They show it on a screen later and there's like a curve to it, but it looked like it curved the other way from the way she walks. Like sometimes when we see shields around three dimensional objects in Star Trek, we see the curvature in a way that helps us make logical sense of it. There is no curvature to this shield when we first see it. That's part of the problem.

Yeah. Anyways, it's very confusing. They find some like exploded technology and that's clearly like where this all started, where all these problems started for the case on. They also find one survivor who is in really bad shape. So they beam him directly to six-bit. I thought it was a unique moment in the episode when we're on an away team, we find a survivor,

we beam them away, and then the show doesn't go with the person being beamed away. We remain with the away team in what feels like a fairly unique storytelling fashion. Yeah, because they're getting some readings off of this, you know, ground zero of the explosion, and it's a piece of equipment, it's got neosorium, is that what they say? Yeah. It's got neosorium technology, which is a technology that is unique to the federation.

Only the federation puts this on their cuts before putting a bandage on tap. They're the only species that does this. They don't buy the generic stuff at the drug store. They go neosorium every time. Yeah. Yeah. You're not going to go to Skar with neosorium, even though this guy and everyone else on that ship extremely Skar'd up. This technology didn't do them any favors. You think that's what's going on with their loaf? Because like the case on, I mean, it's a little bit like, clinging on hedges, but it looks very like inflamed and irritated on a queson

in a way that it never does on a cling on. I think going through puberty as a queson would be great. Who, because who's gonna notice? You're acne. Yeah, yeah. Wow, your voice changed suddenly. Nice one. I didn't even realize you were an adolescent. So we get a, a bedside McLaughlin group. Is your walk in 6 Bay after they come to this realization of this federation tech on the ship. Nice to see Doc Hollow Day. I feel like it's been a while, a little while. Yeah. They learn that every cell in this case on's body has been altered. He was luckier than the others.

That remains to be seen. I guess this radiation pulse basically pushed metal through everyone's body, and he fused with metal on a molecular level, but it didn't overwhelm him as much as the others. This is a moment in the episode that I felt like was a mistake that because like we could have, we could have doled out these clues a little more judiciously, but instead the doctors like, yeah, his blood has been replaced with vegetable broth

for some reason. And we can't really tell why that is. Like telling us right away that it's replicated technology at fault here. There's coffee in that minor technology that could change the balance of power in this quadrant. Did you think Kess maybe had like another change to her hair? Suttler than the last time, but it seemed like they changed the lines a little bit.

Anytime there's a case on in the room, I'm not looking at anyone else's hair. I've got to be honest with you. They take all the hair out to gin out of the scene. So this McLaughlin group kind of continues out the door and down the hall with TuVoc Chico Te and the captain. The implications of there being Federation technology on this K-Zone ship are pretty upsetting to the captain, and Tuvac is kind of talking through how that might have happened, and he's like, maybe somebody else developed this technology independently of the Federation. Or maybe it's more of like a Carlos Mencia thing where it's more of like joke theft. And if so, that would be pretty bad.

What is, how did you get my espresso machine? Well, be fucking stolet man. One of the three ideas that Tuvac proposes is that they may have gotten it from another federation ship that beat them to the squadron. Yeah. And I wish they allowed that to exist as a possibility a little longer. And not only that, like, to exist so long

as it stretched out for several seasons. The idea that there's another mystery ship out there, I think is a tantalizing possibility. That would have been a really fun seed to leave planted. Yeah. But two-vac goes fun seed to leave planted. Yeah. But two of us goes with door number three almost immediately. It is the most probable explanation. He's thinking that there's a Oliver Mencia on board.

They do that thing where they like stop the turbo lift mid shaft to process this. There may well be a trader on board and what the actual fuck like we are all in this together. How could anyone possibly justify selling technology to the K-Zone? And it's a very upsetting moment for the captain. The music changes in the scene and I think doesn't change back for the entire episode in a fun way. I think we're getting an expression from Kate Mulgrue. There's a real Catherine Janeway reacts happening in almost every episode where she has given a bit of information that is extremely bad. And she just has to process and then make a decision about it.

It's like you and I basically every day of 2021. It's Captain Janeway's Reddit face. So this technology would have had to be transmitted to the case on somehow. And so she wants to go through all of the logs of ship to ship transmissions that they've sent and see if he can find what was sent to whom and when and by whom. Tuvac suggests that Chicoete might want to be careful around CESCA, which is probably good advice generally if you ever want to be transported anywhere. And this was not a good moment for Captain Janeway

because I think she asks a question that she's better than and she's smarter than as a character which is why would anyone betray us? Yeah. I can think of a reason, Captain Janeway, you've surrounded yourself with Mayquise and you blew up your only way home in the first episode. It's the narcissism of self-assuredness. She's like, I obviously like make all the correct decisions

because I am the captain, so everybody should be on my side. Why would anyone dislike me? Me for making very unlikable decisions. I also, I thought it was it was very interesting like they're going over like the list of suspects and Susket sesca leaps to the top of the list, but Kerry is also a A prime suspect in this episode and I was very proud of you for that because when we were talking about the episode cap for This in the last episode of the greatest generation. You were like, it's either Kerry or Cesca. Yeah. You really nailed it. It's elementary, do your data.

I mean, at this point in the episode, they do a fairly good job of playing the shell game between them, you know? Like, you're not really sure who it's gonna be, but the thing is, like, Cesca from Jump has always been suspicious acting. When she looks at you, you can see she's working things out. In a way that carry isn't, like carry came straight out

with his dislike of BLT in those earlier episodes, like there's an emotional honesty to carry that seems better hidden by sesca in a way that makes her more of a suspect than carry ever would be at this point right So this crew makes it down to engineering where BLT and sesga and carry are working on how do we get at this technology? That's like stuck over there on that ship a wash and radiation. There's a force field up But if we open it we'll flood the whole compartment

force field up, but if we open it, we'll flood the whole compartment. Speaking of Scotty, there's a great moment here where BLT is giving Captain Janeway kind of the schedule of work ahead, because the problem to solve here is how they get that piece of tech over the ship given the many challenges they face. We should be able to make an attempt by tomorrow. And Captain Janeway's like, no, no, like, what is it really? And BLT is like, I'm never gonna scotty you, all right?

I wanna start our relationship on solid, truthful footing, and that means I'm gonna give you deadlines that are accurate, and I'm also never gonna take a family member to the bridge if they're injured before taking them to six bay like I should. I thought it was a little weird that she dipped into that pitwa of, I'm a miracle worker. I don't want that reputation. And just dirtlers in it. When it comes time to delegate the tasks for this job though, Chico Te really middle

managers himself into this thing like BLT's got the shit handled and then he goes and he steals Seska away from this. And the sides are to the bridge, and this is a thing that Seska takes great umbridge with. Yeah, demoted to the bridge. Yeah, and she's pissed. Yeah. I mean, it seems like... You get snacks when you work on the bridge, though.

I'd wanna go there. You do get snacks on the bridge. Never seen Cas and Nelik show up with past apps and engineering one single time. Are those Valerian cannabis? Engineering is a lid-domly environment for sure. Ha, ha, ha, ha. Yeah, they say like, hey, if you can go get a hoof

to put that in, you can bring it in, but otherwise, sorry. There are no cup holders in engineering, and I'm almost positive I've seen them on the bridge. I thought that there was some interesting subtext in the scene because it felt very plausible to me that Tessca wanted a little bit of autonomy, a little bit of plausible deniability to slip away. And she knows that by being on the bridge,

she's gonna have a lot of eyes on her. And she makes her by being on the bridge, she's going to have a lot of eyes on her. Yeah. And she makes her complaint not about that, but about being babysat and about, you know, having suspicion cast on her by somebody that is supposed to trust her or whatever. Especially so publicly, right? Like this, this reassignment happens in front of everyone, and that's very uncomfortable. Yeah. But she's a classic manipulator. She like knows how to play it in public and in private in just the right way. Right.

So, SESCA, after registering this complaint with Jakote, does something fairly suspicious by going directly to Six Bay to ask Kess about the condition of the patient. And Kess here has a little joke. She's like, K-Zone, more like Laison. Am I right? And then like, gestures over to the, to the K-Zone and the Viobad.

Mm-hmm. Were you able to look at her haircut in this scene before the camera pulled back to reveal the K-Zone? No, I was looking in the direction of where the K-Zone was laying. I wasn't even looking at Cassier. I'm sorry. Okay, interesting. So yeah, they get a replace all of his blood. And what the, what

cast has been working on is screening everybody aboard the ship to see if they have type K positive blood to, to transfuse for this guy. And Kesterns to Seska, and it's like, hey, you seem to have somehow never given a blood sample to six bay, which is super dangerous for you. And also kind of inconvenient for me, because I'm trying to find compatible donors right now. Seska's like, ooh, that's because I am a heavy intravenous drug user. And I've been told I should not give blood under any circumstances. My blood won't help you. She's had some kind of blood disorder where she's not allowed to donate and everybody's like, wow, super convenient, interesting that that would come

up now and not any other time, Sasca. Well, okay. Yeah. Anyway, I've got a few more stops to make before I go back to the bridge. We cut from this scene to two Vachakote and Captain Janeway, having a very four by three conversation in a private room that they've reserved. They do not need to be this close. They're basically having a huddle before a play starts. How many yards do we get? Seven, two. Really? What in the half? close. They're basically having a huddle before a play starts. I don't think ever on TNG

Picard took a couple of officers into his ready room and then stood eight inches away from them to hear what they had to say, but that's what Janeway does here. Are they concerned that someone outside the door could hear them? There must be a cure, some formula. He raised such an interesting point that like why it is everybody dressed Chico Tay in this episode? Yes. And he is in this inner circle for these scenes. We trust Chico Tay because the episode does, because we're with him so often, but I think

they could have made the episode far more interesting if we weren't with him as much, and instead we were with Toovac the whole time. But I guess maybe we've gotten a number of Toovac as detective episodes up until now, and maybe the interest was in changing the perspective. And also, the captain's trust in Toovac has been shaken a little bit recently. So maybe she is like hoping that she can balance that out

by having her other right hand in the room and just hoping that he's not involved somehow. What they're sharing in this conversation is that the signal came from their ship. There's a signal was sent from their ship to the K's on ship. It was during like a test of some sensor package, and it was kind of hidden in the chaos of that. Captain Janeway was like, we didn't send a signal,

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Yeah, a useful amount of time. Four hours and 20 minutes and Tom Paris takes out a bowl and blazes up and is like right. Right. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. A like two foot vaporizing pan like shoots up from his panel. But this sucks, right? Because four hours is not enough time for our non-miracle worker, chief engineer to complete

the thing she was working on to get that piece of equipment off of the case on ship. Right. And they're talking about, oh shit, like this is about to get a lot more complicated when Harry Kim reports that a transporter is firing in transporter bay two. And I just thought that this would have been a perfect moment for Susca to accidentally get mungled in a transporter accident. What a poetic end for that character. I mean, you can tell that Harry is relieved to be reporting that it's Zeska that's leaving

because I think this is, this qualifies as just one less problem for Harry Kim, you know, the further away Zeska is, the better because she drama. Yeah. Yeah. His DMs are gonna calm down a lot. Yeah. Yeah. I DMs are going to calm down a lot. Yeah.

Yeah. I think the Delaney sisters were far less stressful to be around than Zeska. Totally. So Zeska had proposed this idea of making a subspace bubble around herself and going in and getting the equipment. It was deemed too dangerous, but now that there's time pressure, she's just taken it upon herself to go ahead and do it.

This is a technology she learned from Harry Kim, though, who had experimented with putting a subspace bubble around the tip of his penis. And the numbing effects of the subspace bubble made it so that he could last a really long time. Yeah. Yeah. It's a ridged bubble for her pleasure. It was sexual inspiration that Sesca had in that moment. And so she goes, and this is a great, like this conflict on the bridge is so great,

because two voks, like, ah, she's destroying evidence. She's clearly the guilty one in Chicoate. She's like, she's over there proving her innocence, man. And at this point, no one can tell which is which. Yeah, and they're like, should we just beam her out of there? And they're like, well, that could kill her. Interesting idea. No, we can't do that.

Yeah. But her subspace bubble fails. Cut over to Kim, and he's like, fails every time. Ha, ha, ha, ha. I told her it would last forever. They have to beam her directly to Six Bay. Chico Tay runs down there. And she's got a real nasty sunburn when he gets there. When we cut to Six Bay and we start from the back of her head

and rotate the camera around. This is a camera move that telegraphs horror. And so by the time we got around to the front of Seska's face, I was like, Rouge, that's the big reveal. That's it? I know. I was expecting to see scrambled eggs up there. I was writing a note on my phone

and I looked away from the scene and looked back up, and she kind of turned her head back and forth a couple of times, and the side of her face that is the most singed falls into shadow toward the end of the scene, and I was like, oh, did I miss something more severe? And I had to rewind it and rewatch, because you're right, it totally implies

that she is really fucked up by this, but. We know the visual language of radiation too, because we've seen it on Star Trek. We've seen it on Spock's face, specifically. Like, I think you need to give us some bubbles. Yeah. Like, the only way that I knew for sure that it was radiation was when Belonatora showed up

and said, she stayed at her post. It took Tora's a long time to get there because she hit every button on the turbo wave. So we get an interrogation scene this time with Lieutenant Kerry who comes into the captain's ready room and sits down across from her while Tuvac and Chico Teh kind of stand over his shoulders. This is an incredibly intimidating way to be asked a bunch of questions. The blocking here is intimidating, but Ben's, they do something really subtle here that I love, which is Kerry's combat is riding a little high. And I think that indicates a lack of confidence.

When you drop the combat down, I think it elevates your confidence into a Cal Hudson area, but a high combat, like how Kerry's wearing it. You can tell why they did it because of how they framed him. They didn't want to cut the badge by the bottom of the frame, so they moved it up a bit,

but it makes him look in trouble. It makes him look guilty You're out of contact for almost an hour on the planet where we encountered the case on You mean when I was picking those poison apples It's another scene where the captain is sitting behind a desk and looks incredibly low relative to the desk And you've called this out in the observation lounge scenes previously. I'm wondering if Catherine Janeway is just the kind of person that comes and sits down in a chair and lowers it. The first thing she does is go, grabs the controls and lowers the seat as far as it'll go. One of my favorite memes is there was two women yelling at the cat. In this case, I am the cat. I love the real housewives. The only

thing I love more than them are log cats. And Carrie is basically grounded and sent to his room at the end of this scene. His answers are insufficient. Poor Carrie. He gets told that he's confined to quarters until they can straighten this out, which, I mean, makes sense. Like they take, like if they're, if you're eliminating variables,

Seska is eliminated because she's on bedrest in six bay and Carrie is eliminated because he's sent to quarters. It'd be great if you get on checking in to say that the time it takes to do things is getting longer based on. On sesca being benched and now Kerry. I have a bad feeling about this. It's just not going to work out. The second he leaves, they're like, well, he has the motive and opportunity. And I was like, what mode? Like, I didn't see that either. They implied that he was like jealous of Blanna

for getting the big job over him, but I don't see that translating to betray the entire ship. Like they don't make the case that he's that kind of person, you know? You mean me personally. It's interesting that the revelation of the type of technology happens later and its relationship

to the level of guilt that this person, the guilty party might have on the ship. Like, because no one knows what's been traded, the feeling is far more hostile for a suspect like Carrie or for sesca thinking that like the technology could be a weapon. It's not been stated, but like it could be anything. And that it ends up being replicator technology feels like retroactively something that makes the suspect less evil, you know? Right, yeah, like it's a

humanitarian act. Where the very name is racist. It sucks that Carrie can't get himself out of this kind of jail though. Like, there should be... He should be able to explain this. I really liked his performance though. There's a moment where he just... He's like mid-sentence and he just kind of stops and realizes he's like not gonna talk his way out of this.

Right. And is like, listen, I don't know if Sasuke did it or not, but I didn't do it and that's all I can say for now like I You know get like where's my fucking lawyer basically right? Yeah, good luck finding one out here Carrie you're fucked And brings a sense of ordering stability to my universe to know that you're still a pompous ass. So this casan ship approaches and the color gets up on FaceTime and asks, what the deal is? You got one of my ships over there and you got a guy on a biopad. I mean, we call them lasons whenever one of our own is sick and it needs to be confined to bedrest.

It's just a little little case on joke. I love doing bits over here, you know. The quickness with which Captain Janeway allows this dude and his handler to come over. Pretty striking because the very next scene smash cut to six bay and the gang's all there Yeah, he's got an assistant there with him They're talking about the blood replacement I kind of thought that they were gonna do like a World War two era like you replaced his blood with other blood from Non-K-Sons But they don't do that.

Instead, they realize, oh, this guy is going to recover and color is making threats. Like, hey, you can't take shit off of our ships. He seems more concerned about the ship than the lason, isn't he? Yeah. That got that vibe straight out. Clearly, lasons, like the second a cas a L-Zone, they become expendable. Hey, if you got time to L-Zone, you got time to K-Zone. I love how he's like, look, we're going to take the ship back and that's all there is

to it and Captain Jane was like, we're actually doing a crime show here. That ship is evidence. So... Didn't you see all that yellow tape that we wrapped around the other ship? Yeah. He starts kind of making threats. He's like, you guys may have a fancy ship,

but you've only got one of them and we've got a bunch more on their way. So you better start to stepping. Like, we're not fucking around with you. And the Captain like sidles up to the doctor and is like, Hey, if you could like stall these guys and make them let us keep this dude in a bio bed for a while, that would be great because we we would really like to ask him a question or two when he wakes up. And the doctor's like, Yeah, that's a great

idea. And as they're having this conversation, the assistant to Kala gets like a little hypodermic needle that pops out of the ring on his finger. Yeah. And kills the liaison. He dead. Everybody saw that this was about to happen, but nobody was able to react fast enough. Not even two-vac.

I thought the same thing. Like, I love the effect. Like this little needle is so, like the gauge of the needle is so tiny and the sound of it coming out, great sound effects work. Shoo-wink! Shoo-wink! I mean, I thought it was effective. They like scan him and they're like, no, they've given him the AstraZeneca vaccine.

That'll lead to blood clots in 0.001% of cases. It's one of those moments that is more interesting as an effect than it is in the logical foundation of what's going on in the room, you know? Like there should be a force field up or something. Like I feel like, and I don't think this is exclusive to working with the K-Zone, but like that Jail House visitation rule should be an effect when your enemies are visiting enemies on board your ship, right? Like they should be separated in a way that would prevent this Why couldn't this have taken place over a phrase time? Yeah, that's a question I had. Yeah anyways He's dead. They like And they just kick him out.

That's what's great. Like, you just murdered this liaison. I'd like to invite you to leave. Yeah. You think that that's gonna be the end of the Six Bay scene, but the doctor and Kess want a word with the captain. They're like, listen, we're still working on the CESCA being sick thing over there.

And we screened her blood, and her blood is not Bajorin. And the doctor does what I like to call, dropping the C-bomb. My suspicion is she was born... ...Cardassian. What the fuck? It's a real problem this episode. People's blood not being the blood that it needs to be, or that they're expecting.

What Susque's blood implies is that, in fact, she is a Kardashian who has been genetically re-engineered and reloved to appear to be a bejure. No one suspected it. She had no taste for Kanaar. I mean, the only the only thick beverage she enjoyed came out of instant cam. So that didn't tip anyone off except for Oh! Oh! Oh! Anyways, the captain and two Valk have another little meeting

with Chico today, this time to break the news to him that his ex-girlfriend and one of his former crew was in fact a double agent. And he is understandably humiliated. At the end of the city, he tears to do Vogue. He's like, did anybody on that ship genuinely work for me? Was I the only like actual make-whees on board? What the fuck?

This is an unintentionally funny scene. It really is. Like it makes, check out they seem like such a boob. Chico does like you to Vogue expect me to believe that the makeweas were infiltrated by someone who turned out to not be who they said they were. How dare you. It's too Valk. What do you think they're trying to do to to Kote's character here? Like what do you think they're trying to do to Dakota's character here? Like what do you think his reason for being is? Because he's not a great character right now.

He's not interesting and he's not good at his job. He's starting to come across of being like almost unimaginably gullible for somebody who worked in a like clandestine terrorist organization. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like major's like major cure.

It didn't trust everyone she met, but Chico day for some reason does. He's definitely got like the G point zero, zero one clearance at the CIA or whatever. Like he's, he's only authorized to open junk mail. Hello. Anybody lose a secret CIA shit? I don't think so. They sent the engineering team over to the K-Zone vessel to get the piece of broken equipment. Culles like threatening them and, you know, saying like, you're not allowed to go over there and do that.

And this is a great Janeway moment. She just will not take Guff from anyone. You know, I'm really easy to get along with most of the time. But I don't like bullies and I don't like threats. And I don't like you color. Regusia used this clip in one of the drops in the Janeway song. Yeah. Because it's so fucking boss.

I love the tension between between the confidence of a captain who knows her torpedoes are strong, and the acceptance of it may not matter how many torpedoes we have if what we've got raining down on us are more and more K's on ships. It's a math problem here more than it is, a weapons problem. Right, but crucially, those K-Zone ships are not here yet. And so when she says basically, fuck around and find out to Kola, to Vike like looks at his instrument panel and he's like,

he is not fucking around Captain. It's a real fun reversal of the whole tier, because the K-Zone guy is like, you're the one acting toward war and Captain Janeways like an active war would be shooting our remaining torpedoes in that ass. And then the K-Zone basically hangs up on her. Right.

And I think it's, I don't know, it's very interesting how when the Voyager encounters the K-Zone, it keeps being this thing where like, the Voyager encounters the case on, it keeps being this thing where the Voyager is not trying to be hostile to the case on. They're not trying to do things to provoke them. And inevitably, what they have to do is interpret it in that way by the case on. It's interesting how hostile it is only verbally between them. They really snip at each other. Yeah. is only verbally between them. They really snip at each other. Yeah, yeah.

I mean, but like we started this episode with Janeway wanting to potentially turn this into an alliance, something that they could like count on. Like what if we could make friends with these people? Like it was a cool idea. Right, it didn't last. Now, now it's really disappointing. It's not disappointing to the costume department who won't have to

assemble these alien characters every single episode going forward. They get the equipment back over to engineering and they're scanning it and they realize that it has more than just Federation technology in it. It's like composed out of bionural fibers, which is like a brand new technology that Voyager is the first ship equipped with. So that throws the ghost ship, the other Federation ship theory out the window.

This has to have come from Voyager's transmission. And that's pretty damning. That means definitely either Kerry or Seska did it. In a moment that to an outsider would seem incredibly suspicious to Cote takes this information right to Seska. What's wrong with you? We find out later it's part of the manipulation happening, but yeah, this bedside scene is a challenge to everything that Zeska has offered up until now as a defense.

It seems hellous, suspicious he goes goes over to her. He's implying that like it's not that bad It was just a replicator, but You know my confidence in you has been totally shaken. I know about the whole Cardassian thing and she's like I am not a Cardassian. I had this this blood disorder like you can ask the Cardassian lady that like donated bone marrow To save me when we get back home. I thought Martha Hackett's performance in the scene was great because she really sells this moment. You start to see it and go in like she is a Cardassian secret agent.

She is betraying the Voyager for selfish Cardassian reasons, and even going like, oh, she actually has like somewhat justifiable make-wish kinds of reasons for doing this, and also might not, in fact, be a Cardassian. I had only one agenda with you, Chico Day, and I never kept it secret. Up until now, she's been given a lot of short,

quippy moments to help us understand her personality and this is the first of two scenes where she's really given the room to monologue here in both this story and her and her anger seen later on. Like she really does good work here. I thought she had a great episode. In the corridor, it's clear that this conversation was part of a plan that Shikote and Tuva have hatched that has already gone into motion with Carrie off screen.

Yeah, they were both given the same story about the where this equipment was stolen from. I guess like part of it was actually like physical stuff that got stolen. And I guess that means that she gave it to them in the Star Trek caves at the beginning of the episode. Yeah, must have been. That is incredibly risky.

Yeah, and I guess the transmission then was just to tell them how to avoid getting picked up on Voyager's sensors at the beginning of the episode. And so this all was uncovered just by sheer luck. Yeah. Yeah. Like that Tom Perez happened to notice something weird on his panels and like looked into it. That's wild. The amount of luck involved in picking them up at all. Really bad luck for CESCA. So they've kind of like set up a stake out. They're sitting and engineering just like playing gin and waiting for an alarm to go off

on the computer. I thought this was kind of a funny scene. They really do that that beginning of the scene sequence of just following a random crew person walking all the way across the set before the camera finds our two primary characters. I always love that. I do too. And I love this poor guy. Like, is looking like he's trying not to look like he's acting like he's walking? like he's trying not to look like he's acting like he's walking. Yeah, well it's given the sense that this is like after hours in engineering,

so he's kind of taking a slow walk, but like I feel like he's walking at a pace that is like almost impossible to walk at. Like I either walk way slower or way faster than that. I never walk at that speed. We laugh, but like if either of us or anyone we knew or anyone in the world were given the direction to walk across a room, it's impossible not to be self-conscious about that. It's so hard. I think it does a nice job considering. Yeah. So they start watching this, like, this, you know, these security codes, getting entered into the computer, or somebody's like trying to cover their tracks and the ship's

inventory system. And I'm sure as a guy who used to work in retail, you're probably very familiar with this kind of thing. Oh, yeah, like, like, they dial up the green screen AS 400 of the replicator inventory and like it's just ancient technology that only old brick and mortar stores use but it works and it's stable and that's why they use it on the Voyager. Yeah. No reason to change a thing that's working. Yeah and they see CESCA's security code go in and so BLT is like we got him if it's sesca's security code going in Obviously, this is carry trying to throw us off the cent frame sesca and then we cut to Chico Tay entering a dark six bay and Comes clear very quickly that the PLT was completely wrong

It becomes clear very quickly that PLT was completely wrong. You have to shoot. It's one of those. You don't actually think I'd be dumb enough to use my own code, right? Yeah. And to code is like, that's the point. That's the fucking point. This is a really intense scene.

Like the captain comes in with two Valk and a couple of security guards. This is like three cards. Monty, where the person at the card table moves the queen once though. Like, were you satisfied with the trade craft here? I mean, you kind of feel like Sesca is back into a corner at this point. Like, she is relying on her previous performance being persuasive enough to Chicoete, but like it's three-code bounty where the operator moves the queen

once but also has an extremely good getaway plan. Yeah, that's true. And we're given a lot of background about how much was done to chase down, you know, this computer terminal to begin with. Like I I think Jakote describes it as going through every piece of fiber filament on the ship in order to find it source. So. Yeah. Do you side with Seskid in the scene when she turns it around on the captain? And it was like, I only did it because you fucking idiot stranded us in the delta quadrant. A federation captain, you destroyed our only chance to get home. Well, I mean, I'm a rule follower, so I don't side with her, but what I do is admire the shot that she takes, and I appreciate the voice that she's given to

what is never revealed to be a popular opinion on the ship in a way that I was hoping for. Like, SESCA is made into be alone wolf here, but you know, when we cut from her to the disgust on Janeway's face and then back to SESCA's rage, like, it would have been nice to like catch the co-tape being like, yeah, she's got a point. One of the ways to turn the knife from sesca would be like,

and I'm not the only one who feels this way. And you think it's easy to dig me out. Like we're we're buried in the ship like fucking ticks. Like good fucking luck figuring out who else feels like me. So the threat of Seska is maintained by virtue of her escape. So we maintain the threat level, but in a different way from what I was hoping for, which was its presence, like the threat of proximity,

I think, and how acute that would be going forward, I think would be effective. But yeah, I wonder, like, there, this is that kind of TV writing that is like all about not closing doors, and I feel like this is a way of potentially writing this character off the show or not. Like, Saskas still maintains tons of potential in both directions.

Sure feels like a Rob Yarlin situation in progress here. Like, she's going to show back up. For some reason, she's not going to be a cardassian. She's going to like have the pine cones step to her head. I've decided to convert to Kazon society. Yeah, that'd be fun. Well, yeah, anyways She she's like pre-programmed the computer to beam her out to a waiting Kazon ship computer command xjl and The button on the episode is a Jakote finding two-vac hanging out in the galley. And it's basically, I tell me I'm a good man.

I thought the exact same thing. For some reason, chico te is wearing a powder blue members only jacket. So eyes are like piercingly blue all of a sudden or like, what happened to that happen? Yeah, I won't say two vvac makes Chicoote feel better, but Chicoote feels better after hearing two-vac explain that like sometimes you come up against a better player

and there's no shame in losing the game to someone who is highly skilled. You just happen to have taken two humiliating losses on a very public stage, and that can't feel good. But you know what, a lot of people would have gotten beat in your situation. So yeah. At the risk of you never stopping making fun of me

about this, this really reminded me of a dear family member passed away recently, and we had a Zoom memorial for him this weekend. And there were 10 stories about him just savagely destroying people at Croquet in this memorial. It was like, you know, like Ted was a loving father, like a gifted home cook. And he really fucking cleaned my clock at Croquet every time I visited his house. Ted could really host a great barbecue. And if I never, ever needed any help, he was always there. But I will say I'm glad I no longer owe him $1,200.

Playing Croquet against him. no longer owe him $1,200 playing Croquet against him. I was just, I don't know, like it really reminded me of Ted, this thing. Jessica is the Ted of being a spycraft. Yeah. Yes, so. Well, did you like this episode Adam? You know, I'm maybe easy to get along with most of the time,

but I don't like bullets, I don't like threats, and I don't like you. Look, I mean, it's what, like 1995? It's 2021, Adam. We're not gonna get eight eight eight eight eight. You got a lot to catch up on. We're not gonna get a pandemic. We're not gonna get a 26 minute episode

of Star Trek Voyager that feels like the usual suspects. We're just not. Right. I thought the way that they maintained the mystery of whether Seska was the heavy, was effective for its time, suitably interesting, kept me in suspense. Hey, guys, maybe let Kerry out of his quarters, you know, before the episode ends, I think that'd be cool. That would have been a great button. That should be the button. Kerry just like looking at his watch, like throwing his hands up, like, I wonder when somebody is

going to come let me out of here. We cut to, we cut to Kerry in his quarters, like playing video games or whatever, and then we do that. Sometimes TNG would do this. They cut to the exterior and you can still hear the interior of what's happening in the scene that came before. I would have liked that very much. Yeah. Lonely, Lieutenant Kerry.

I'm glad Cezca's off the board if for no other reason that it could elevate carry back into prominence the way you should be. Elevate carry, lower carries, combatge. Once again, you know, Hudson him up. Yeah. What about you? I like the episode too.

I, I, I'm right there with you and having appreciated how it kind of kept me on my toes the entire time. And it's not, you're right. It's not the most sophisticated version of that that's ever existed, but it totally had me. And like, it's such a uniquely Star Trek voyage or storyline in such a fun way. Yeah.

Yeah. I feel like they, like in season one, really understand what is interesting about this show in a way that is like so much deeper than TNG or DS9 were in their first seasons. Yeah, I mean, that's a benefit to a show like this, you know, like the architecture for what makes a great show is already in place. Like, there's a format here that they're aware of. Yeah. And they've learned lessons from previous versions of this show that mean they can avoid some of the mistakes

that Star Trek has made before. Well, do you want to see if we have any mistakes in the Priority One inbox, Adam? I think the only mistakes having to do with the Priority One inbox are our own. Priority One message from Starfleet coming in on Secured Channel. We need a supplemental link. Supplement?

Supplement. Yes, extra. The interest alone could be enough to buy this ship. We have a bunch of priority one messages here Adam. The first one is of a promotional nature and it goes like this. Do you prefer your podcast host a little embarrassed? If so, try Feature Bang.

The podcast were two amateur writers revel in that embarrassment to do mainstream reviews of adult films. As Feature Bang, host Tara and Jim focus on the close on parts of adult films to give funny and insightful takes of the hidden gems of the genre, plot, production and character. Basically, when they're not doing it, Feature Bang's review in it. You know, just reading the name of the show, I quite naturally had an idea of what this podcast might be about. Never in my wildest dreams did I believe that I would be correct. Well named show. We did this on the greatest discovery for that.

Was that greatest discovery or was that a bonus episode of this show where we reviewed the DNG porn parody? It's all the pornogue edited out. I don't remember. Maybe you can drop in a an editor's note here that directs people to where that is, but I don't know that sounds like a lot of work. Anyways, subscribe to Feature Bang because the scenes you fast forward over make for some excellent pod. I would love to be on feature bang, but I also know that that's not anything I can tell my wife I was doing. Researcher. You gotta believe me. It's for a show. I've gotta go into my office for a little while for something.

Why did it take you all day to prepare for that show? Hahaha. Why are you quote, not in the mood right now? Hahaha. Why are you walking with a limp? Hahaha. Ben, our second priority one message is from Daniel in Chicago, it is to Ben and Adam, and in parentheses,

it says, your pain, my shame. Wow. The message goes like this. That was a poorly conceived and written message trying to tell you what to do with your show, and I just learned that you recorded it before I could retract. I want to apologize and say I'll follow wherever you go, even if it's with Nelix. You've provided much needed laughter during some pretty shitty times, and I sincerely

thank you for that. LL and P. So Daniel and Chicago is calling back a previous message. I'm trying to find it in our archives and I am, oh Daniel and she- Oh he wanted us to watch Earth-Colon final conflict. Daniel, you don't have to feel bad for making this suggestion like that. It's okay.

Yeah. Were we harsh on Daniel in a way that hurt feelings? I hope not. I hope not. We- I hope that this all comes across as being in good fun. Right. Yeah.

Look, we're gonna need some ideas about what to do after all the Star Trek has been watched. So I'm not, I'm not gonna turn off this bigot there. I was just fairly emphatic that we weren't gonna take that idea for action. And our final priority, my message of this episode is also of a personal nature. It's from Aaron and it's to my Adam, your Adam, and Ben. Goes like this. As we near another year of marriage, I'm so happy you remain my sass mouth, even though I'm a daydreamer and a bit of a giggle plus. Anyways, other Adam and Ben, perhaps with your help, I will be able to power through Voyager on my second attempt. Consider this your bribe.

Thank you for giving us a reason to laugh and share track together. Hopefully Aaron stuck around. This was a requested date of late November. But we were wrapping up DS9 around then. There was probably a lot of doubt in Aaron's mind about whether or not they wanted to even do Voyager with us. And I think we can say definitively a lot of reasons to have kept going. Do Voyager with us. This is a lot of fun.

So far, Voyager has been really, really fun to do. And we really appreciate everyone who gets a P1 because it helps us finance the ongoing production of the greatest generation. That's right. So thank you. Go to MaximumFun.org slash Jembo Tron to book yours. I'm Captain Captain. And Jane way. The U.S. and for the captain.

Captain. And the U.S. and the world is about to kill it. Hey Adam. What is that, Ben? Did you find yourself a drunk Shimoda? I don't know. Drunk Shimoda.

I think Janeway's decision in just letting the's on leave after murdering a guy in their six Bay. Is crazy to me. Yeah. Like she is so thirsty for that K's on friendship that she just looks the other way on a murder perpetrator. All right, get out of here. You guys. You got you got me. You guys, you got me. I don't think you can do that, Captain Janeway. I mean, especially after she's, she's taken great umbridge with other alien cultures doing weird alien shit on her watch before, specifically the episode about Nielix's lungs. I think that this scene required an equal amount of umbridge being taken. Yeah. You can't just let him go without a stern talking to at least,

a slap on the wrist. I think they deserve that. Yeah. What about you, Ben? I'm gonna give it to Sesca. I think that we've had so many Cardassian villains in Star Trek history, you know, Ducat and the guy that interrogated

Picard at the four lights, being kind of the Apex examples of that. And they're so arched, they're such, such, must-tashed whirlers, you know. And Sascha is such a low-key villain that I think, I think she's got to be my Drunk Shemotor in this episode. I was just thinking about like if you were writing a novel about this episode like whose perspective would you write the scene from when Chico Te comes in and confronts her about her Kardashian blood and I think it'd be really interesting to be inside her head in that moment because she has to she has to sell him on a

damn lie really fast. Yeah, and yeah She clearly like knows some some made up backstory or whatever and has a lot of details to pepper in to make it sound real Because I fucking believed it by by the time he walked out of that room. Yeah, me too. She is as scary or scarier in some ways because of that. Like, the way she can just maintain eye contact with a man that she had a romantic relationship with and tell a lie of that scope and scale is really frightening. Give me the heebie jibis. I'm very curious about what sort of threat she presents going forward because she worked in engineering. She knows the shield frequencies.

She knows the weak points of the ship. She's a terrible threat to them. Where the Nacells meet the star drive section, right? Yeah, she could point to a diagram of the ship and the grundle area quite easily. Yeah, so she's my drinks from out on. Well Ben, it's time to point to the area on the season that we will be discussing next.

That's the moment in the show where you tell us what's gonna happen in the next episode. And then we go over to the game of Buttholes, the rule of the prophets to decide how we will discuss it. The next episode is season one, episode 11, Heroes and Demons. Janeway sends the ship's doctor on his first away mission, rescue the crew members who have vanished in the holodex version of Bayowulf. What is this a weird animated film from the mind of Robert Zameckis? Yeah, must be.

I mean, whenever Star Trek makes a literary reference, it's just like Jack Off Handboschen. Like, yes, you're very learned people, Star Trek makes a literary reference. It's just like jack-off handbotion. Like, yes, you're very learned people, Star Trek writers. The only fun that our crew likes to have is literary fun. You're required to learn as you play, Role. We are currently on square 87 and we've got the A the traveler a little bit ahead and a Nielix's galley a little bit past that. Mm-hmm. Tlaxy and champagne. Yeah.

It sounds good. Wonder where we can find that. Here on Earth. Tula! Did I win? Hardly. Well, we're not going to have to find out this time at them because I've rolled a six. Wow.

They're on square 95. Wow. You're on square 95. Wow. A big roll that puts us in range of that Mornhammered square that has been so elusive to us. What would it be like to do a Mornhammered in the next week or so? I don't know. Pretty exciting prospect.

Hard to picture, but that could very well happen. How would a vaccine mix with a hundred shots of beer? Let's find out. We'll be the first people to test it. Yeah. In the meantime, why don't we give out a couple of credits notes? What do you say?

Can do that, Ben. The music you're listening to right now is by dark material, but the theme and interstitial music was composed by the great Adam Ragusia, a person that you hung out with recently on our fancy new Twitch stream. I did, yes, when one Adam closes, another Adam opens. That should be the rule. Adam's only as you come. Sorry, Rob. You're not an Adam. Speaking of Rob's who produces our Twitch stream,

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We're going to have to get the goose on a theme song. That's what I'm saying. Man. Well, notice I didn't use the F, which means we can move that switch stream around if we have to. I love it. I love it. Speaking of things called Greatest Trek, follow the Greatest Trek Twitter and Instagram accounts.

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