The Greatest Generation - Tub Thicc (VOY S2E25)

Episode Date: November 15, 2021

When Janeway and Chakotay get a couple of nasty bug bites, they’re quarantined on a planet in order to find a cure. But when the ship is ordered to leave them behind, it’ll take more than some tub... time to make the Voyager crew feel good about that decision. Where is the shuttle? Will we ever know what the ducks mean in The Sopranos? How much steam and foment is needed for a successful mutiny? It’s the episode that’s all gherkins, all the time!For when you're not in the bathtub, find something to wear at PodShop.bizSupport the production of The Greatest Generation.Friends of DeSoto for Democracy.Friends of DeSoto for Justice.Follow The Game of Buttholes: The Will of the Caretaker!Music by Adam Ragusea & Dark MateriaFollow The Greatest Generation on Twitter, and discuss the show using the hashtag #GreatestGen!The Greatest Generation is now regularly streaming on Twitch.Facebook group | Subreddit | Discord | WikiSign up for our mailing list!

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Priority 1 message from Starfleet coming in on Secured Channel. Hey friends of Disodo. Before today's episode, we just wanted to take a moment to talk about the historic labor actions being taken by writers and actors in the American Film and Television industry. If you're a fan of the work done by the people who make Star Trek, we hope you'll join us in standing in solidarity with the folks who actually bring these adventures to life. Over the past several years, the AMPTP, the organization that represents the American Film and Television Production Studios, have reduced the profit from movies and TV going to workers. And in so doing,
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Starting point is 00:02:28 Welcome to the greatest generation. It's a Star Trek podcast by a couple of guys. Just a little bit embarrassed about having a Star Trek podcast. I'm Adam Pryanaka. I'm Ben Harrison. How you doing, Adam? Oof. Having a day. I'm about to get on an airplane. I'm going to New York tomorrow. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:02:50 You're racing to finish an edit and then you're going to visit some friends in New York. I'm jealous. Yeah. I miss New York. Yeah, you're still legally prevented from visiting. I'm going in a couple of months. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:03:07 Yeah. That's when the statue of limitations is up. Stupid. It was my home for 15 years. Yeah, really was. There's no statue. The only statue is the Statue of Liberty. A friend of ours came over last night
Starting point is 00:03:22 and she referred to Seattle as our home. And I said, I don't think it is. I don't think of Seattle as going home when I go and visit. Wow. I think that means I've unpacked my mind. That's really remarkable. I was having a conversation just the other day with a friend who is a beer brewer in Bend, Oregon. And I asked her if she felt like an Oregonian because she's been there. We grew up, you know, in the Bay Area and
Starting point is 00:03:57 into high school together. And she went off to college in Eugene and then has stayed in Oregon ever since. You don't become a real Oregonian until you spit on your first proud boy. Right. Yeah. You're not actually allowed to get driver's license until you do. Well, she said that like her having grown up in California is something that is not a welcome fact about her to some of the people that she comes across because there is a lot of antipathy
Starting point is 00:04:28 toward Californians moving there. And she's heard people say, like if you haven't lived more than half of your life in Oregon, you can't call yourself an Oregon person. Fuck outta here with that. Like, give me a fucking break. Step gatekeeping band. No, but like I told her like,
Starting point is 00:04:50 when I lived in New York, like people would say, oh, if you haven't lived in New York five years, you can't call yourself a New Yorker. And then I got to five years and I started hearing, if you haven't lived in New York for at least seven years, you can't call yourself a New Yorker. Yeah, they moved the goalposts.
Starting point is 00:05:05 And then it was 10 years. I don't know, like, New York also doesn't feel like home anymore to me, which is something that breaks my heart because I love New York. And I really miss it. I can't wait to go back. I can't wait to visit all my peeps. I feel bad that that idea breaks your heart though.
Starting point is 00:05:25 I mean, trying to become more comfortable with the idea of home just being where I am and where I am with the friends and family that I have nearby, you know? Home is where the dog is. Absolutely is. Yeah. Speaking of which, you're getting a pup.
Starting point is 00:05:43 Yeah, that's gonna be true for me in just a couple of days here. You're coming back from New York and a new pup will be part of your life. As soon as we unlock the door, there will be just a pup waiting for us inside. Somebody's gonna go over to your house and leave a puppy. That's the new technology, right? Yeah. I'm trying to raise VC funds for Pupper. No, E, but before they are.
Starting point is 00:06:09 It's an at-based product where you put your profile on the program and then you leave for a trip and then when you come back, there's a puppy waiting for you. That's going to be what's on the jersey on season three of Ted Lasso, right? Yeah. Pupper. Yeah, that's going to be what's on the jersey on season three of Ted Lasso, right? Yeah. Pupper. Yeah, sure is. Yeah, so so big times ahead for my household. Momentous times indeed. We've had an empty home for far far too long, so we're looking forward to not having it be like that anymore. Yeah, it can't be like that anymore, Adam. They've got a bit of an empty nest situation on the Voyager in this episode, don't they? Yeah, they kind of do. Mom and
Starting point is 00:06:51 dad left instead of the kids. Yeah, and they have a very strict babysitter, turns out. And we get to know all the ways in which that is a failure right up front of Star Trek Voyager season 2 episode 25. Resolution. Breaver course. Unless you've got something a little bigger in your torpedo toots, I'm not turning around. We start in on planet, Runyon Canyon, where the camera pans down to a couple of starfleet issue. Like, these are, these look like the kinds of stasis pods that $5 carnival guitar guy would
Starting point is 00:07:34 hop out of with a couple of low mileage pitwoofies, right? And the liver that was about to explode in my face. Yeah. They're big and they're nice. Like that diamond pattern quilted fabric that they're lying on is like such a beautiful detail. Like I feel like these props in this episode really get a ton of care that feel like,
Starting point is 00:07:55 it feels like extra for some reason. When Chico-te and Janeway get out of their tubes, Janeway looks over at Chico-te and she's like, hey, you look just like how I feel. Hahaha. They've been in stasis for 17 days, Adam. That's a lot. You gotta imagine there's gonna be some creaky joints.
Starting point is 00:08:17 Their faces are under glass out there in the elements. I'm surprised they don't have terrible sunburns. Oh yeah, that should be a thing. That would be fun. So they're there and they've been there for 17 days because they've they've caught something. Ben, they sat on a toilet seat on this planet and they caught something that there isn't a cure for. They both walked into this public restroom on this planet and they saw the ass gasket and they're like, I don't need it Yeah, and you see what happens when you don't use the paper gasket 17 days of stasis that's what you get that single ply piece of paper
Starting point is 00:08:57 That would have otherwise protected you from all the microbes surely I Like the rapidity with which we ask and answer questions in this scene, right? Yeah. Can't they just stay on the ship? No. Because it's the planet that slows down the progress of their illness.
Starting point is 00:09:15 Can the Vittien's help the sort of illness? No. Not unless you mean by help, you're saying, allow them to harvest your organs by force. And so this is the only thing that they can do. They can sort of bide their time until a cure for their illness has been found. This is all revealed through radio contact with Doc Hollow Day, which we learned in the last episode is not, I repeat, not using the name Schmollis anymore. No. Does not use that name.
Starting point is 00:09:46 Nor would anyone else use it at him. No. That much we can guarantee. We can guarantee that for the rest of Voyager, that will not come up. Ben, I'm looking at one of the popular bedding websites on the internet where you can just bet on all kinds of things. And it looks like the doctor never being called Schmollis again, a minus one-ten favorite.
Starting point is 00:10:12 I'm going to go ahead and transfer every dollar I have onto that bet. That's how sure I am that this one's going to pay off. I like those odds and I mean, it's like the return is gonna be huge for us. So I'd say I'm gonna put my personal savings and everything we have in the Xbridgeimoto corporate checking account. Absolutely.
Starting point is 00:10:38 Push that into the pot. Hey, if you don't mind, will you also do like one of those cash withdrawals from the credit card to the business credit card? Yeah, definitely. You know, the high interest cash withdrawals. The interest rate is very high on a cash advance on the credit card, but I, like, we're going to get this money.
Starting point is 00:10:56 This is big money. Yeah, this is a sure thing. So she radios up to Tuvacalk who has been left in command and basically says like go ahead and leave without us and When there's transfer of command in Star Trek there is usually Some ritual about it. This is very perfunctory, isn't it? This is just a matter of fact. We're staying here, you're up there, you're the captain now.
Starting point is 00:11:26 Look at me, look at me, you're the captain now. And that's it. We've seen Janeway self-destruct by doing no more than whisper to the computer. I feel like transferring command codes has typically taken a lot more pomp and circumstances than this, but maybe maybe that happened off screen because they can't go back to the ship because this disease will take them the second they're out of stasis and off this planet. They can't even be in stasis on the ship because it's too risky. But maybe she has already done that.
Starting point is 00:12:01 Maybe she did it before the 17 days in the pods. I really wanted to know the consequence for the illness. Like there's no description of how fast it acts or how painful the symptoms are or what the symptoms are in general. And I wish, like I wanted to be a little more fearful about what would happen to them if they chose to stay on the ship or
Starting point is 00:12:26 or move to any other planet or whatever. It seemed pretty one-sided in terms of the conflict here. And I thought that would be an opportunity for conflict that was not taken. I mean, as it is, she's not so bummed to get left behind because she checked some of her interest-bearing accounts. And in those 17 days, like they have really shown some impressive returns. Right. She's ready to hop back into the containment unit and chill. I'm going to ride this out, baby. So this transfer of command happens, and Janeway orders TuVoc to head on out of there after sending down some gear
Starting point is 00:13:07 like you need to leave, continue course back home and also whatever you do. No matter what. The most important rule of all, do not feed the fidians you've gots after midnight. No matter how much they cry, no matter how much they beg. Yeah. That's what you got to do. I mean, this makes sense to me because if the Videans find that there's two people just like defenseless by themselves on a planet, that's their organs, right?
Starting point is 00:13:39 Oh yeah, yeah, I mean, it's gonna be a fight over those guts. Yeah. They're gonna be all up in them guts. Do you think the Videans really like too short? Tinkin' in the guts like the toilet. He gets very anatomical. Yeah. He's the most anatomical rapper there is.
Starting point is 00:14:01 After the theme song, there is a McLaughlin group. Is your want where Tuva kind of breaks the news to the crew that the Videans are not going to be involved in this storyline? And they're like, wait a second, they have really great medicine. Obviously, not great enough to solve their own problems, but maybe they can solve ours. Yeah, I mean, all we have is this worthless hollow doctor here who never fixes anything. That can be only trust that guy. And Paris is like, you're the captain.
Starting point is 00:14:31 Like, whatever she said, doesn't matter anymore. Just try and do what you want to do. Yeah. Of a room full of very pissed off crew members. Paris is the most openly pissed off. The McLaughlin group does not go well, Enterprise. Like this is an airing of grievances in this scene versus a scene that you typically get in Star Trek,
Starting point is 00:14:54 which is like the listing of possible solutions. Yeah. Kim is so shattered, he can't even get out of his chair at the end of the meeting. Do you remember this? Like the scene ends, everyone walks out and Kim is just totally wrecked. The long night of the soul for Kim happens so early
Starting point is 00:15:11 in the set of steps. It's more absolutely wild. I'm not certain what it is you expect me to do. Later on, Janeway Radio is too about to say that they've received their shipment of supplies. It's basically like a semi-truck full of IKEA boxes back there. They got their work cut up for them.
Starting point is 00:15:35 What sucks about this setup is that someone has already reserved the shelter with the picnic tables in this park and the grill and stuff. They've got to go build all this stuff on the other side of the park. And that's just going to make for an awkward hang the rest of the afternoon. I mean, it's a scene that's very interesting because it can really serve as a test of that internet conspiracy theory that IKEA furniture is confusing and hard to put together so that people will break up over IKEA furniture and then they'll have to move apartments and buy a bunch of new IKEA furniture.
Starting point is 00:16:11 Just to kind of complains about the amount of shit that's been sent down to them, wouldn't you want everything? And though they mentioned having a shuttle on location, I really wanted to see a shuttle on the surface, or at least like a corner of one to suggest that it's there. I wonder if they left the shuttle in orbit, could they just like call up to the shuttle and have the computer beam them up? I think your hypothesis about the shuttle in orbit has to be true because of the storm that happens later, right? Right.
Starting point is 00:16:45 Because there's a storm that fucks up their camp that you would think wouldn't harm a shuttle at all with what the shuttle's made out of. Right. Shuttles made out of tougher stuff than this canvas and angle iron tent that they build. But they've also been left with like all of the scientific equipment that they will need for Janeway to kind of return to her roots as a scientist and study this disease and see if she can figure out a cure. Because this this came from an insect. Her mission while they are stranded on this planet is
Starting point is 00:17:22 find this insect, see if they can sequence the genome or the proteins or whatever and figure out if they can solve their own problem basically. I mean Janeways clearly going to be the one that takes the lead on the science, but as she digs through some of the gear she's like what is this scientific lubricant Chicoetay? And also the box labeled scientific tax documents. So there's a question about the level of participation that Chicoetay is going to be involved in W. Slashars, Lashty, the science. Chicoetay, how can this box claim to have scientific rose petals
Starting point is 00:18:06 and candles? What do they have to do with science at all? So that's one of the concerns the chainway has. Another is that, you know what, let's just drop rank for a moment. Feels like every time we drop rank on Star Trek, it means some shit is about to be said. This is like a very gentle request to drop ranks.
Starting point is 00:18:27 And you get the feeling. This setup might be her best shot at forgetting Tom Mervins once and for all. Because it feels like this is a situation without an expiration date. They're going to stay down there until a cure to the illness is found or they die of old age. They are going through the stuff and she's very upset that her photograph of Tom Irvings in the Kmart picture frame. It's not among the effects that they've been to town. Why is that filed in Chicoete's tax documents? beamed down. Why is that filed in Chicoote's tax documents? What the hell Chicoote? I mean, I'm all for people having kind of broad interests, but that doesn't technically seem like a tax document per se. It turns out that Chicoote's spirit guide is Tom Mervyn's butt.
Starting point is 00:19:27 It turns out that Chico Te Spirit Guide is Tom Mervyn's butt. That's why he can't reveal what it is then. Especially to Janeway. So the vibe of a new start on the planet surface, not exactly mirrored up on the ship because an engineering BLT is just bawing out in Incin for being distracted while filing a report. This is the Incin whose eggs were burning in the last episode. Yeah, so she just had a really rough couple of weeks. And what's great about this episode is we stay with her for the rest of it and it's just
Starting point is 00:20:02 like her day. She has like as many lines as as Skull Cogan on the show. As soon as this Ensign is dismissed from this scene, Kim Cytles up to say that like it's little soda voce, right? He's like, you know, Starfleet crew isn't taking this very well. And how would I know who would talk freely to me of all people? It's a mystery.
Starting point is 00:20:27 They should really be talking to Nelix, huh? On the Nelix News Network. Anyway, what's the temperature of the makuies? Makuies? And BLT is like, yeah, I mean, the makuies hate it, too. Like, Duvac is our number. But they hated everything. The two are the same.
Starting point is 00:20:42 The two are the same. The two are the same. Right. But they hated everything, the two guys. The two guys. The two guys that we hate the most. Right. But it does seem like the seeds of a sort of pro-Jane way mutiny are being planted here. Your point about two-vac being Make Wee's enemy number one
Starting point is 00:20:58 is something I really wish the episode emphasized a little bit more. In that point's absence is just the general sense that everyone hates what happened and they take it out on two-vac. But there are specific reasons why the makuies could ensured. Right. Skullcogin and PLT maybe should have had like even stronger feelings about this. Right. But that's that what this episode's about Adam. This episode is about Janeway and Chico Tay getting into civilian clothing and sort of
Starting point is 00:21:31 turning into Dr. Quinn characters on this planet's surface. They have definitely replicated their clothes from the Rumspringer Amish collection from the 1996 JC Penne catalog that they used to inspiration. Yeah. Look, I make fun of it because it's silly. But also, it is fun to see these two main characters get, I think, four costume changes this episode. And not to ruin it, all of the costumes are silly.
Starting point is 00:22:01 You can't stand it, can you? Yeah. But it is still no less fun to see them in different things. I marveled at these costume choices. Like, Janeway's first dress, like the rum spring comp is, I think you're making because it is such a remarkably conservative dress by our standards, contemporarily.
Starting point is 00:22:23 You remember that episode we were watching where they were dancing in sundreams? And I think we went back and forth on how it could have been any music choice for that because of the compression of time. Like how classic rock today is like music from the late 90s or whatever in a strange way. Like what if the clothing choices for their time on the planet's surface were completely insane
Starting point is 00:22:48 and uncommented on like Chicote in a Tuxedo? And Janeway and like cut off Jean Shorts and a punk rock black leather biker jacket. It could be anything, it could be all the things. I think what is startling about Janeway's dress specifically is that it is so little house on the prairie and not outdoorsy by our contemporary standard. It suggests a gender role in terms of the work
Starting point is 00:23:18 that they need to do there. Yeah, and it doesn't seem like a practical outfit if you're going to be doing a lot of hiking and like whatever. Laying on your chest to garden. Right. Yeah, it is super gendered. And I'm not mad at it.
Starting point is 00:23:35 I think that there's a lot of love for this episode from the community for the gender roles that it sort of implies may develop over time. And they're not like ultra-traditional gender roles that it sort of implies may develop over time. And they're not like ultra-traditional gender roles by any means. Like, Chico Te is the one that's doing the cooking, for example. It is not Little House on the Prairie gender roles,
Starting point is 00:23:55 specifically, it is merely like familial roles in a very interesting way. Yeah, it made me very curious if this is where it starts when it comes time to reap, what is gonna happen at that point. If we're sewing floor length dresses, what will we reap? So it's time for Janeway to share her goodbye message with the ship and it's a message you really want to listen
Starting point is 00:24:22 to on the bridge, if you can possibly get a ticket, right? We hung on the shot of Janeway with her message so long. I thought we were being deprived of the cut around to the people listening to the message. I became momentarily really frightened we were gonna get the thing I wanted the most, which is the emotion in receiving this kind of message. Yeah, and crucially, it's the shot of her saying the message
Starting point is 00:24:47 that's like the close up of her facing camera left, Chico Te facing camera right a face in between their faces. This is a scene that makes it very much about Chico Te and Janeway as much as it is about the crew. Yeah. We do get cuts around the ship for their ship reacts. And in his case, Tuvac's message in reply is as heartfelt as he is able to make it.
Starting point is 00:25:18 I thought his words were really great too. Thank you, Captain. He starts singing at the end of his message, which again, I think at this point it's a little forced. And it's like, come on man, you got that one song. Broaden your repertoire if you're going to be singing all the time. I don't want to cut too far into the end, but when the crew becomes more openly hostile to Captain Tuvac, they bring this up over and over again.
Starting point is 00:25:42 And why are you singing all the time? The crew fucking hates that. Cut it out. When we come back from commercial, Janeway is in a monumental stone tub that Chico Te has been sneaking off into the woods to make for her. It's like made out of obsidian or something.
Starting point is 00:26:04 It's like super thick. It's a thick daddy. It's not a wood. It's like it's like made out of obsidian or something. It's like super thick. It's a thick daddy. It's not wood. It's a thick tub. It's tub thick. And yeah, she's like, she's having like a soak like late at night on the edge of the woods outside the, outside the apartment. I kind of wanted a prop call back to the water reclimateers from the pilot episode of the series, you know, the ones that they wanted to give to the K-Zone because when I saw this big bathtub filled with water, I was like, well, how did they fill it? And then it's due to reason that they would use a device like that to do it. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:26:41 She is so far unable to find the bug that bit them. And so she's starting to kind of re-strategize a little bit, trying to think about what she could do to solve this problem. She's like radioing Chico Te Indor, who is doing finger pains. Chico Te are you there? I'm not dressed properly. Is it a mandala he's making? It's like a mandala made by like a kindergarten.
Starting point is 00:27:12 Yeah, because he's got the sand in his fists and he's just sort of like milking the sand out of them. Yeah, she hears something go bump in the night and freaks out and Chacote runs out there with a flashlight and a dustbuster. She has wrapped herself in a towel and we meet a monkey in the woods who is like they've suspected there's some type of local primate but haven't seen one until now. Look at the cute little guy. This little guy. Outbreak, the movie came out in 1995. And after that movie, I never trusted a monkey again.
Starting point is 00:27:55 Do you think this is a TV show that knows that, that has sort of, because not to ruin the surprise, nothing happens with this monkey. The monkey doesn't do anything. The monkey isn't germane to the story in any way. There's no utility for the monkey at all. I felt like it was using the monkey's reputation as an outbreak monkey to make me feel uneasy for the entire episode.
Starting point is 00:28:22 I felt manipulated. That's interesting, because I sort of interpreted the monkey a little bit like not like a great execution of this, but like more like when you see a bird in the sopranos, like it is there is kind of like, as like, symbolistic. Life goes on, huh?
Starting point is 00:28:39 Of, yeah, that's what it means in the sopranos. For sure. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. Yeah, so Janeway holds out a pinky and the monkey holds out their pinky. And then, woke up this morning, got your cell phone munk. The lighting in this exterior night scene is really gorgeous on Janeway, I thought. But Chicoete is almost totally in the dark, I thought, which is I think good
Starting point is 00:29:10 because at the end of this scene, Chicoete is caught looking. She comes in in a bathrobe and he's holding a potted plant in front of his groin. She's like, this monkey, maybe the clue to the research that we're doing, and he's like, yeah. Hey, listen, before you get on that laptop, let me close the tax documents folder. I mean, they say that the only two things in life
Starting point is 00:29:42 that you can count on are death and taxes, and we're stranded on a planet with no government so I can close that right. Turns out there is a third thing that I can count on at this age. A lot of people aren't so lucky and I feel very fortunate. I'm not bragging. I'm trying to acknowledge my bone rocket privilege. Yeah, I mean, I think one thing I am going to work on is a nethertub to sit side by side with your tub.
Starting point is 00:30:18 Ah, ChicoTe tells Janeway that, uh, maybe you're working too hard. You know, maybe you should let go of the bugs and the science and whatever, but Janeway does not take this to heart at all. She is extremely determined to not stop looking for a solution to their predicament. I'm a long way from it right now. I need to keep looking. The subtext here is like, I am not going to be on this planet with you for the rest of my life. It's kind of brutal because he goes like, my people have a saying about even the eagle must know when to sleep.
Starting point is 00:30:58 And she's like, Chicote, they don't have a saying. That's made up. That's fucking bullshit. That doesn't exist. You're full of shit again Again with this let it go I Feel like this is a real tension though be and an attention that is like newly familiar Between the people that are like quarantine is a okay by me. I like social distancing
Starting point is 00:31:22 I like not having to go out into the world versus the like Janeway Energy of like I'm gonna science the shit out of this. I'm gonna I'm gonna solve this problem Isn't it also a different version of the tension that's been running throughout Voyager from the start Which is the how much do we fucking ache to get home and race to get there at all costs versus Come around to the idea of these semi-permanents of our circumstances and try to come to grips with them and And instead of stirring up all of the conflict of being prevented from the thing that you want the most try to like accept and make the best of the circumstances
Starting point is 00:32:04 You're in it a tension that is very intensely explored in this episode. And the other tension that is very intense in this episode is the tension between the entire crew and two-vac, which kind of comes up in this next scene where they're traveling through space as fast as they can away from the way that Chico Dan Jane were on and Mr. Kim comes up with a Videan convoy on long range sensors and he is arguing for TuVoc to make an overture about, hey, can you help us with our captain and Tuvac, Orders, Paris to fly in the opposite direction, basically, like get away from the Videans. Kim had just seen Crimson Tide, so he really, like, got it up. To foment a mutiny on the bridge here.
Starting point is 00:33:04 Don't we have to try? Don't we owe that to the captain and the commander? We're all very well aware of what our orders are and what those orders mean. That's your the fuck up! This is a fucking amazing scene, friends and kin. The mutiny does not go well. It's basically your greatest fear if you're fomenting a mutiny. You're looking around, you're doing that thing
Starting point is 00:33:25 where you're like, everybody with me and everyone's on my side and fuck you! And it's just crickets. It's as if Kim were two vicks here. That's the level of support he's getting. A lot of stoned faces around the bridge of people that are biting their lower lip and looking away, wishing they had the courage to back him up.
Starting point is 00:33:49 Yeah. When Tom Pairs thinks your behavior is a little bit out of line though, I feel like you re-evaluate. I don't know. I mean, if you're Tom Pairs, you got to be hoping that Kim gets put in the brig for at least a little while. Free up a couple of Delaney sisters for the rest of the crew. Yeah, give Paris a fucking chance.
Starting point is 00:34:11 Instead Kim is just kind of asked to leave the bridge and he does so, but he goes down to the mess hall where he meets up with Skullcogan and Ensign Swinn. I'd say in this scene, he's more like Sullcogan, Ben. What do you think of that? It's pretty good. It's a good punch up. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:34:34 And they quickly rope BLT into their conversation. And the mutiny is definitely getting a little bit more of a head esteem around it now. Also getting a head esteem is the Kitchens interest in cooking with gerkens. There's now two episodes in a row where it's just all gerkens all the time coming out of that kitchen. People get their cucumber into little pieces for its zikki in innumerable ways. Because Nielix is holding one that's been cut in half and one hand. I wondered if they just had,
Starting point is 00:35:07 okay, we've got Ethan Phillips in the makeup already for the two scenes he's in in the previous episode and we've got Bonnie Turpin on set for the two scenes that she's in in the previous episode. Let's just shoot this thing in the galley. Hey, what vegetables do we have around? Oh, we have gerkens from the previous episode? Okay, put shoot this thing in the galley. Hey, what vegetables do we have around? Oh, we have gerkens from the previous episode. Okay, put those in Nielix's hand. Cool. Yeah. Cut one in half. There we go. And so this is the core five of the team that is going to try and
Starting point is 00:35:41 change the course of Voyager history. It's pretty cool that Kim got his nuts absolutely smashed in on the bridge a moment ago, and that didn't deter him from what this is. He's ready to foment once again. Yeah, the fomentation continues, a pace. We cut to two Vox quarters, and it becomes clear here that two Vox is a streamer.
Starting point is 00:36:08 He's an internet content creator because what we know about all internet content creators is that whatever is going on in the foreground, the background is lit with purple light. Right. Nobody wants them in real life, but if you're streaming something on the internet, purple light in the background is for some reason a very important aesthetic choice. Depending on your perspective, it is very late or very early when Kim enters, and Kim has a suggestion to share with Tuvac if he's up to hearing it. Apologizing. It's about as sorry as I can get. Apology accepted. What Kim suggests is maybe Denara Pell and her goodwill combined with BLT's brain matter
Starting point is 00:36:55 are a couple of chips that work in the Voyager's favor in this galactic poker game. We have more leverage with the Videans than we think. Is basically the argument. And Dubai is like, hey, counterpoint. Remember when we wasted 300 of them and destroyed one of their ships? And Kim is like, Oh, good.
Starting point is 00:37:18 Counter-Counterpoint. That was the other Voyager that I'm technically the only person from that ship here and I'm willing to apologize on their behalf. What if a very nice apology and then maybe whatever the meat equivalent of a fruit basket is? What about like an edible arrange ball but it's made out of like chorizo. Toovac basically says something here that is refrained for the rest of the
Starting point is 00:37:52 episode. Heavy is the head that wears the pips. You don't know what it's like. Kim rises to the level of mutiny. This is mutiny too for Kim. And Tuvac diffuses his bomb in a very captainly way and says, unless you want to lose your job right here and now, you better yes sir, turn on your heels and go back to fucking work. I will turn this car around and drop you off on the planet with Jakote and Janeway and then leave again. Kim basically gives Tuvak the fuck you of Yesors. Yeah. And that is that. Yeah. How close did Kim get to being roommates with Brad Dorif? Give me the three episode artwork where it's Brad Dorif and it it's a cam, the odd couple.
Starting point is 00:38:46 They put a strip of tape down the middle of the room. Brad Derriff murders cam with his own clarinet in a scene that is straight out of seven, like it is the most disturbing, grizzly death scene ever. Down on the planet, Chicoete is really making a house at home and this is very uncomfortable for Janeway. Chicoote is making some headboards here Ben ahead of the destruction he's planning to bring to the ones they already have. Yeah, these are Bert and Ernie or Pot and June Cleaver style headboards, right?
Starting point is 00:39:25 Are they sleeping inside by side beds? The headboards look kind of like the place where you put your feet on a leg press machine. Like, they have these big patterns on them, like kidney shaped patterns. I was like, oh, what a chased idea of these two twin beds that they're sleeping next to each other in until to have this conversation.
Starting point is 00:39:46 Janeway sits down and then Chicoate does like a full riker lean foot up on the log. Like, look at my dick stance to to talk this through. There's been a costume change, man. And Chicoate is wearing the belt straight out of the Andre the giant collection from the Princess bride Anybody want a peanut? They're brudan We're needed two horses, another one. Hello, lady.
Starting point is 00:40:32 Did you see the Andre the Giant documentary on HBO that came out? I think it was last year. I wanted to, I haven't seen it. It was phenomenal. Andre was certainly, I mean, one of if not the greatest drinker that ever lived. I myself saw him drink 20 to 25 beers, maybe four bottles of wine, usually several mixed drinks. This is a scene that made me wonder is Chico Te's efforts about giving up or what? And I think this is a question that Janeway's got in this scene too.
Starting point is 00:41:03 Like, hey man, you're working pretty hard for a guy who may or may not want to go back to voyage or like your improvement seem permanent. Yeah. These are not the kinds of things that are rentered those to improve the apartment. These are homeowner style improvements. These are the good set of blinds, not the plastic mini blinds. Because you know that the next set of windows you have won't fit these, so you're not gonna spend your arm in a leg.
Starting point is 00:41:31 So she kind of bales out of this conversation before it gets too heavy and goes to check the traps again. The bug traps, I should say. Yeah, she's a bit of a trap queen in this episode, isn't she? Yes she is. I don't like how they're held up, like they're dangling off of the trees with monofilament line. Could we mask out the fishing line and make this look like a cool futuristic bug trap?
Starting point is 00:41:57 Can we please do that? I kind of like that they were hanging and I like the implication of the mistake that they made later in the episode because we find out that this is a burrowing insect that bit them, but these traps look like they're designed to catch flying insects. So I kind of thought it was like. He's fucked up. Yeah. Anyway, she's out checking the traps when the monkey shows back up and every time Janeway sees this monkey, she does the same move, which is she crouches
Starting point is 00:42:28 and she slowly extends her arm to try and like welcome the monkey into their family. And the monkey is never interested in that. It just wants to screech at her. But it's sort of getting her attention and the weather changes. the wind really picks up She looks up in the sky. It looks like that situation on that on Beijor when chief O'Brien went down there and was like Roped into some weird cult. That's right
Starting point is 00:42:59 Yeah, did you think for a moment that the monkey caused this storm? Oh Yeah. Did you think for a moment that the monkey caused this storm? Oh, I didn't put that together, but I was because of the like color of the lightning flashes thinking about the family candle that Beverly Crusher inherits in this scene. I feel like that green lightning flash is a big candle fucker situation.
Starting point is 00:43:25 It is. So I like that connection. Maybe this is a spooky ghost monkey. There was a thunder and lightning storm a couple of weeks ago in LA. That was maybe the strongest, loudest thunder and lightning storm I'd ever been in. And I'd been in serious lightning
Starting point is 00:43:43 and thunder storms in the Midwest and this Put all of those to shame like my entire home was shaking like things were falling off the shelves and stuff and This storm on the planet surface is strong enough to knock Janeway onto the ground. Yeah, it's bonkers Chico te gathers her up and together they head toward the shelter where they should really be heading is the shuttlecraft. If the shuttlecraft is in orbit, I would have bought a, it's too dangerous to beam up right now. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:44:16 And if it's a stitch a dialogue solution to this problem. Yeah, that would have been a good thing to pepper in here. But instead, they just kind of like are cowering under a table for a long time in this episode. Like we get them rushing back to the shelter and then we get a scene in the ready room between Tuvac and Kess that is like a very different tone. Like it's one of those like there's an emergency in the A story. Why are we in the B story kind of moments?
Starting point is 00:44:46 Kess is in here making the case that, you know, you should really address the crew. Yeah. The crew is a feeling group of people being led by someone who feels things a lot less. So maybe there's a way you could bridge that gap so to speak by going out there and talking to them If you could sort of meld with their minds or something
Starting point is 00:45:12 Too Valk totally does that thing where he had the crew in the first half of his speech and Then he pivots into hell yeah, we're contacting those sausage thieves and it's on me when we do it Set course for those stinky butcher-shap fuckers. And so they go. Yeah. Wait a face criticism with bravery, Tuvak. I wasn't expecting this. I thought this is going to be another opportunity for Tuvak to be unflinching. Yeah, it's a really interesting scene. It's like a... He starts singing though at the end of it, which is like, God, give me a fucking break, man.
Starting point is 00:45:51 Every time. I mean, Cass at one point in, in, in her little aside with him is like, too much like you, you're a Vulcan, so I know this is hard for you to understand, but morale is important to these people, which is why I'm proposing that you merge with the morale officer. We have some of those orchids on board. We can make it happen. Maybe you got something out of the experience in the episode previous to this, like maybe there's some sort of long-lasting effect to your character that we could have an opportunity to experience with you here. Something you gained from that experience that you didn't have before, but now you do.
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Starting point is 00:48:01 Hey, hey, hey, oh, I'm about to count you in line. These clouds are really freaking me out. I hate having to stand in line and boy, what do I? These giraffes do not smell good. No, they do not, and they've such short nacks. But I'm hearing we need to get on this. We've got to get on the art. It is about terrain, about a spout to destroy humanity.
Starting point is 00:48:19 Hey, oh, sorry, sorry, sorry. Are you Noah? Yeah, I know we look like humans. We're actually, we're podcasters. We are podcasters, so it's different. Have you heard of Ono Ross and Kerry? We investigate spirituality, claims of the paranormal, stuff like that. And you have a boat and say the world's gonna end,
Starting point is 00:48:33 so seem like something for us to check out. We would love to be on the boats. We came two by two. What do you think? Ono Ross and Kerry, available on MaximumFun.org. I've got to get that luck than I was selling on ice to. But seriously, Adam, this storm is fucking bonkers. They're under a table while their shelter gets just ravaged by lightning and thunder.
Starting point is 00:48:59 Yeah. Arms are being rubbed for comfort. That's how dangerous things are feeling. It's really nice to see J in the arms of C, though, right? Yeah, that is, huh. It's really nice. I much rather see J in the arms of C than seven in the arms of C. I wouldn't know.
Starting point is 00:49:18 I don't know what you're talking about. In the calm after this storm, the tricoters are telling them what our eyes already see as a parent. Shit is fucked Ben. Yeah. The research project is over. Nothing is over. Nothing.
Starting point is 00:49:33 You just don't turn it off. All of their equipment is destroyed. For some reason, the lubricant barrel remains unbroken as well as so many tax documents. Those things went unharmed. Yeah. Structurally, they were made out of far sturdier stuff than anything else, which is kind of a mystery to me. That was the case.
Starting point is 00:49:58 This kind of resolves the remaining conflict between Janeway and Chico Te, because it's like, there's no way we're going to capture bugs and sequence their fucking genome at this point. Star Trek Captains have a long history of not being great with giving up. I don't like to lose. The storm blew up the damn cabin we had. It's over. We gotta abandon planet. No!
Starting point is 00:50:24 She calls him a coward. Yeah. That was a bridge too far, Janeway. What the fuck? This is the scene where Janeway begins to let go of hope. She begins to treat the No-Win scenario as being a No-Win scenario. Back on the ship, we gather via two-box log that the Videans have said they're going to contact Denara Pell on their behalf. And the Videans are familiar with the planet that Shikote and Janeway are camped out on.
Starting point is 00:50:53 And you better be damn sure Denara Pell is on your side when you throw the Videans that kind of raw meat, right? Yeah. I would have kept that factoid a little closer to the vest. Yeah, maybe don't describe which planet this happened on because she's like, I know that planet. Yeah. It's your very first guess. I was kind of surprised to see her.
Starting point is 00:51:12 I can name that planet in one piece of information. Yeah. She's like one of the few vidians that isn't just hellbent on harvesting every organ she can find. I never thought I'd say this, but I was happy to see your face in this episode. I thought she would only be referred to and not seen. Yeah, it was great that they brought the actor back. So she's like, yeah, you guys can meet up.
Starting point is 00:51:35 We know how to solve this virus. We have an anti-serum, how to girl. Here's some coordinates. They've got 20 hours before the meetup happens and two bucks, like cool, so instead of any shore leave, I think a good thing to do in this case is 20 hours of battle drills. Just in case, we know what the Videans are like.
Starting point is 00:52:00 And Kim is in the back of the bridge and he's like, having just watched Crimson Tide I can tell you that this is actually a really solid idea. I'm thinking we get Nielix to make just a whole mess of enchiladas for the entire crew just really get into the enchiladas before we meet up. Hopefully there will be things going on gastrointestinely, that will prevent a gut-steel situation. Yeah. Down on the planet, Chicoetay and the captain are clearing the downed branches off of their
Starting point is 00:52:36 tattered shelter. And Chicoetay says, hey, listen, we're in an area that's surrounded by woods. I would like to make a captain's log cabin. This is as good as our show has ever been. These hot tree episodes. The comedy is just burning hot and clean. Yeah, very efficient comedy. Just go to his like the way I see it. we've got the main structure here and then I can
Starting point is 00:53:08 build a living room, a dining room, a deck, maybe a nursery. And then he like unzips the front of his tunic. This is very disappointing build quality from a 24th century structure, right? Like they'd called it a plasma storm. But give me a break. If fallen tree branches take this thing out, I'm not happy with what I've been sent from the ship. Yeah. The Federation really needs to revisit the design of its quonset huts.
Starting point is 00:53:44 Right. But they can't complain about this build quality for too long because the monkey shows up. Janeway maybe wants to have it as a pet. Yeah. They're talking about like, hey, we've got plenty of time and this monkey will be a challenge to domesticate, but maybe we can do it. The pet ownership is a bad idea for a new couple, I think, Ben. Yeah, it puts a lot of pressure on the situation.
Starting point is 00:54:11 We elliptically cut to later where Janeway is pretty sore from all the work she's been doing. This is sore from physical labor of gathering wood for log cabin, right? Is that what you understood? Yeah. She's not back to science. Science is off the table.
Starting point is 00:54:29 Science is not on the menu, boys. Ha ha ha. Chico Te has also been working just as hard, but you know those hands aren't tired. No. He brings those hands over, starts working out the knots. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:54:44 Always a good idea to bring up your mother in a possibly sexual situation as this one is. Every time, it works every time. Janeway kind of allows herself to enjoy this for a bit before snapping out of the reverie. Like she doesn't want her basement to get flooded completely. Right. It's just maybe...
Starting point is 00:55:05 We just had a storm and we haven't installed a new sound pump yet. I don't want to flood. I don't want to run the risk of the basement flooding again. Totally good move in a situation like this. She just bales back to the bedroom. Maybe she could bang one out on her own, just to get that out of the system so that it's not hanging over their heads. As you're designing the log cabin, could you include a bean flicking wing? Doesn't look like the headboard job got done yet, huh? She goes, did they blow away in the plasma storm? Maybe so, or maybe she insisted that they not make them.
Starting point is 00:55:39 The comedy of them both being under the table and the headboards flying around the room during the storm is not something they wanted to tempt. Yeah. At the end of the scene, we get the very rare single brass instrument of unfulfilled sexual desire spin, which is a tune Star Trek doesn't play very often. The blue balls, flue-gall horn. The blueble horn.
Starting point is 00:56:05 The blue. The blue. The blue. The blue. Boom. It's like we're two great tennis players out there. That rally can go for as long as you need it to go. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:56:18 We're just doing it for fun at this point. For the love of the game. Back on Voyager, the Videans are near. This is one of those rendez-vouss where, you know, you show up to the drop an hour late. The drop is on you. And this is the Voyager pulling into a part of space where they are wrong-footed from jump. And there are three Vadeanships that have surrounded them. Oh, this is scary. This is scary and combat feels imminent, but before we get to that, we've got to get back to the cabin.
Starting point is 00:56:54 Speaking of tearing someone's guts out, Janeway tells Chicoete that they need to talk. Speaking of firing a beam at someone that potentially breaks their heart. Chicote does that thing where he pivots the conversation away from the finality of a letdown to ancient family story time. He puts on that CD that was always advertised on television in the 90s with the Panflute music. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:57:23 And he says, listen, there's an ancient legend from my people. One of my great ancestors was a man from Nantucket. Janeway knows he's just making it up. Janeway sees right through this. This is the first time he's told an ancient legend that he admitted was totally made up and fabricated. I mean, the Limerick was a dead giveaway. The point of Chico Te Story is that like the audio slave song, he will wait like a stone. After the commercial, it is a fucking firefight up with Voyager Ben.
Starting point is 00:58:06 Yeah. Damn you, Dinarapel! They gotta be getting low on torpedoes at this point. I thought the same, yeah. But this is an existential threat. You fire the torpedoes if you think you're gonna die, and death seems imminent here. It does, and Six Bay is filling up, like more and more crew members are being brought in. But, Doc Hullo Day, who is referred to again as Dr. Schmullis in this scene,
Starting point is 00:58:35 Oh no! Takes a fucking facetime from Denara Pell. Oh, Ben, we have lost a lot of money. Oh my god, I forgot about the bet we made at the beginning of this episode. Fuck! We have lost everything. Damn it! No!
Starting point is 00:58:51 Ah! Not fucking! Oh! Oh, you know what, Ben, I'm actually doing fine. I transferred all of my 401k into a hedge bet on Schmollis being set again. This very episode, the hedge actually earned me back everything I put on no by betting yes and then some because it was the underdog. Hey, you have a 401k?
Starting point is 00:59:20 Yeah. What's that like? It's cool, I guess. Hahaha. Denar Bell is like, hey, listen. Rarely has a bit pivoted so hard and do serious on-weep. Like that one. She's like, hey, listen, like my boss did not tell me that this is what the plan was.
Starting point is 00:59:46 Like, I got completely fucked over here, but I do have your serum. If you can get your shields down, I will give you transporter coordinates to get this stuff and you can be on your way. And so Doc Hollow Day talks to Tuvac about this. Maybe Tuvac's one great moment as Captain is he like walks the entire crew through the sequence of events. This is my favorite moment of the episode. I love how he tells you what they're gonna do and then they do it and then he tells you what they've done. You love it when Tuvac
Starting point is 01:00:22 talks dirty to you. The decisiveness of T Valk here is what I love the most. And this rides off of the decisiveness that he has shown throughout the episode. Yeah. He stuck to his guns on every decision, on most every decision, and it is that impulse here that saves the day at the end. I wondered about the like ejecting the anti-matter container thing.
Starting point is 01:00:47 I don't know if this is... Why aren't they doing that the whole time? Like, it seems like something that they either couldn't afford to eject, or a thing that they should do, like frequently, but not both, you know? It's the fry oil from the mess hall. Yeah. Because like, like, there a tension in my mind here that it was like, oh fuck, are they gonna kill Denara Pell?
Starting point is 01:01:10 Like did she just fucking die? Because they asked for her help and she got fucked over by the leaders of the Vadeans. And this is like forcing their hand. Like they have to destroy these three ships to save their goat. It sure felt like if the ships were to be destroyed and she were to die, that would be a sad moment.
Starting point is 01:01:32 But that the ships are only damaged and not destroyed, made me wonder in what greater trouble Denara Pell might be for surviving the incident and being found out. Yeah, we don't really know what their society is like internally. Um, well internally, I feel like their society looks like the internals of many other races. I think you'll find the similarities pretty striking, Ben. If you want to talk about what Vadin government is like, let me just tell you, you don't want to see how the sausage is made. I love that everyone at home got to see that expression. It was Bill Mar.
Starting point is 01:02:16 I saw Bill Mar. And that one. Fuck you. It works. Ben, the medicine gets beamed over. I don't know why they beamed it over to Six Bay instead of next to the warp core where important things belong when you beam over. And having succeeded in damaging the other ships, they warp right over to the planet where Janeway and Chico Teiron. And we catch up with Janeway having sort of finally made peace with a long life here on the planet that is symbolized by the fact that she is beginning to cultivate plants.
Starting point is 01:02:53 Like she's just made a vegetable bed and planted a bunch of talaxian tomatoes. And she is. You could say, Ben, that she's starting to put down roots. Mmm. Mmm. Mmm. Mmm. Mmm. Man. Weirdly, Chico Te would not like to dwell on the subject of her tomatoes.
Starting point is 01:03:17 I find it very satisfying now. But does want her attention back inside the hut. I've sprayed these tomatoes for aphids. But the liquid that I used seems to have a strange viscosity to Kote. What is this? And why do we have so much of it? I guess he's less interested in tomatoes and he's more of a peach enthusiast. The bugs are just sliding off of the leaves. He takes her inside to focus his energy on a boat with a man in it. Yeah, what's great about this, this schematic is
Starting point is 01:03:59 that there is no man in the boat. As if this is a concept completely forage to come. It has not found that yet, but they've got a lot of time so they can work on that, you know. Yeah. Well, they're standing there, the communicators start to chirp. Yeah, you get old time radio sound out of the communicators as the voyageer comes back into range.
Starting point is 01:04:19 Yeah. And there's two Valk. He explains that they have solved the virus problem and that they're there to pick them up. And it is news that is very bittersweet. Yeah, this is Chicoote's one chance. And he blew it. So.
Starting point is 01:04:42 So. You had weeks, Chicoete. You think Harry Kim has weeks with anyone person? No. He's got like, gets in there and he closes the deal. Yeah. A always B, B, K, Kim. They got 30 hours to say goodbye to the outbreak monkey, which they do, and then the button on the episode is they're back on the bridge.
Starting point is 01:05:11 Didn't take them long at all to fall back into their pattern of work. Yeah, captaining in a starship is a lot like riding a bike, which is something that your coach they will never know anything about. Did you like the episode Ben? I really did. I mean, I think that this episode does something very interesting to explore the motivations of these characters and the way they
Starting point is 01:05:47 deal with that. I think that this episode and the previous episode feel very related in my mind because they are both kind of talking about that weird middle thing that isn't quite grief that the Voyager crew is going through. And like even pre-greave can get you pregnant though. Right, strap it up if you're going to be- Fill in her out with grief. Flung across the galaxy, 75,000 light years away from your family.
Starting point is 01:06:13 Yeah. That moment at the end where there's just a wordless shot of Janeway walking out in her uniform. It's the first time we've seen her in her uniform since the beginning of the episode. Too much fucking shit on me, I can't breathe. And it is clear that she is sad to be leaving this place and this life behind. Yeah. And it feels like something that she has had to confront repeatedly in her life now. And she gets back into her captain mode so easily.
Starting point is 01:06:43 And Jacote gets back into his first officer mode so easily. And like the metaphor of their roles as told through fake old timey story of my people feels very poetic in that moment as well. But the idea of the pain of being these characters going through what they're going through and also understanding the way they cope with that pain, the way Janeway copes with that pain by like the zest for exploration and Chico Te's way of dealing with it by throwing all of his energy towards supporting her and taking as much weight off her shoulders as he can. and taking as much weight off her shoulders as he can, because otherwise all he would wanna do is stop and chill the fuck out and stay away from everyone
Starting point is 01:07:31 is really nicely described in this episode. And it's one of my favorite episodes of Voyager so far. Whoa, I could have used a few more facets of complexity to their deal on the planet. Because it's the button on the episode that makes me feel like an aspect to their life there was missing. Because I wanted to feel like Janeway was relieved to not have to be capped in anymore, to not have to have those responsibilities anymore.
Starting point is 01:08:06 I wanted something about their life there to be attractive to her in that way. Yeah. And there was not even a whiff of that. I think it got there just like right at the very end, but it was paper thin, you know. But it didn't have to do with her character's duty, it had to do with accepting their circumstances,
Starting point is 01:08:26 which I think is a far different feel to the whole thing. And for Chico Tay, I felt largely the same. Like the reasons a person joins the make-wee's is because they reject so many of the things that Starfleet values as well, right? So where was his low-level subtext of like, God, I'm finally not in Starfleet values as well, right? So where was his low level subtext of like, God, I'm finally not in starfleet anymore. Like, wasn't that, you know what?
Starting point is 01:08:49 I did it for a while and now that I don't have to do it anymore, like this is a relief also, I think. I found the right word, like relief. The relief to be on the planet surface is a feeling that I wish we had a little more of. Instead, we got that fucking monkey. And I liked everything about this episode besides the monkey. What was the monkey there to do? It was an unmotivated monkey. Get the monkey out of here. Why are the ducks and tonies pull at them? Replace the monkey
Starting point is 01:09:17 with some of those relief vibes to the characters. And I'm 100% in on this episode instead of the majority in. I still really liked it a lot. Yeah. But that's how I feel. I mean, I think that's a super valid read. I just, yeah, I think, I'm curious about the relationship they'll have going forward. And I have read that there's a deleted scene in this episode when they get back and Tom Paris goes up to Chico day and is like, what is your intention toward the mother of my children? But I understand why they cut that.
Starting point is 01:09:55 That's great. I'm glad they didn't hook up. If that's gonna happen, way too fucking early. Yeah, leave it for the slash between the J and the C. We got a Ross and Rachel this shit and and push it into the hint your seasons. Yeah. Well Adam, do you want to see if we have any any priority one messages in the inbox? Sure do you been priority one message from Starfleet coming in on Secured Channel. You need a supplemental link to it. Supplement?
Starting point is 01:10:26 Supplement. Supplement. Yeah, it's extra. The interest alone could be enough to buy this ship. Our first priority one message is of a promotional nature. The message goes like this, in the style of Kevin making a late night TV commercial for his rubber doll business. Jail pipes and crew scratches that itch or we give you the itch.
Starting point is 01:10:51 Kevin's shoe the newest rubber doll. With Shubb Space connections to stay up to date, a long shuttle missions, you won't just meet Friends of the Shadow, you'll discover all new topics that need context. Who gets pushed out the airlock next? Who goes into the freezer? What happens when Captain Janeway and mutated parish pushed their bids together? So the call to action here, Ben is join Jailpipes and crew and in parentheses the Star Trek timeline's mobile game. Oh, so this is like a group of players in Star Trek colon timelines, it sounds like.
Starting point is 01:11:33 Yeah, JL pipes and crew, wow. We know JL pipes and crew. Yeah. That's one of the first dogs of Tisoto. Do you think that this is the same jail pipes as Hope and Robert's dog? The one that almost bit my face off at San Francisco sketch vest a couple years ago. That was my fault though. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:11:57 Jail pipes is fault. You don't stick your face in another dog's face that you don't know. Yeah, it's a recipe for disaster. Yeah. Adam, our next priority one message here is from Ben, comma, preparing for his birthday, and it's too Ben, comma, on his birthday. Goes like this.
Starting point is 01:12:14 It's my birthday. Play the role, Aaron, drop. [♪ OUTRO MUSIC PLAYING [♪ You got a P1 message for yourself, Ben? That is not me. For your birthday? This is not my birthday. I don't have a birthday in mid-November.
Starting point is 01:12:34 Everybody knows that. At the date of this recording, your birthday is this Friday. It is not mid-November. And yet, this P1 makes me want to believe that this was you Making your own birthday P1 That's not it's a separate thing that come on. We need to respect other Ben and and quick comparing that Ben to you Happy birthday other Ben. Yeah happy birthday other Ben. It's okay that you have my name I don't feel weird about it it Ben our final priority one message is from Brebelki
Starting point is 01:13:09 Whoa one of the best friends in a Soto and it's to all J.C. Shippers everywhere and the greatest Gen team. Message goes like this. It's finally here THE episode where all Janeway X Chicoete shippers have their heart pulled out and Toovixed. What? Too soon? He built her a bathtub If that isn't the this old enterprise meets love. I don't know what is We all deserve to have a number one like Tukote, even if he stretches an ancient legend. Speaking of romance, happy engagement to the Card Daddy! Ah, happy engagement Card Daddy. Yeah, Card Daddy built it recently engaged,
Starting point is 01:14:01 working as we speak on building a bathtub. Yeah, for his future wife, we join Bree in congratulating another one of the best friends at the Soto. Thanks, Bree. Today we're carving a bathtub out of a city and connecting it to the plumbing of this hut using pecs tubing that we have laid under the ground and insulated with a spray in a foaming adhesive. As the mason on this old house, I have the thickest baston accent. Reclioring the show to use subtitles during every scene. We're going to use a notch trowel to lay down some cement and then we're going to use a notch travel to lay down some cement and then we're
Starting point is 01:14:48 going to set the tub right on tap of that and it'll stay snug and secure. Well you can make sure the greatest generation stays snug and secure henceforth on the internet by buying a priority one message over at Maximumfund.org slash jumbo-tron. And we thank all of those who have already done that, especially Ben and Bree and the JL pipes crew from today. Thank you. Hey Adam. It's that Ben.
Starting point is 01:15:19 Did you find yourself a drunk Shimoda? Harry Kim has no fucks to give. He's my Shimoda. What about you? Mealix. Holden Gerkens when he walks into a shot. Always funny to hold the Gerkens when you're walking into a shot. I was tempted to give the person with the Gerkens in the last episode my drunk Shimoda for that reason.
Starting point is 01:15:42 But this time I'm not gonna let it go by without Drunk Shemota-ing it. Great call. Objection noted, we'll do this without you. Let it do it. Let it do it. We'll add. Adam, why don't you tell us what kind of call
Starting point is 01:15:57 we're gonna make on the next episode by heading to gach.bis-lash-game? Well, I tell you about season two episode 26, basics, part one. Oh, using Jakote's son as a pawn, sesca, lures Voyager into an explosive showdown with the case on. This is going to be the Mari Povic episode, a Voyager. And you know how this cliffhanger's gonna end. With a Manila envelope.
Starting point is 01:16:28 You're required to learn as you play. Roll. Ben I'm over at Kaach that biz-slash game, where we have the game of buttholes. The will of the profits. We have our runabout on square 39. Nothing but smooth sailing in the tiles ahead. You're old this day. Ben, I've rolled a one. Gosh, it means we've landed on square 40. Tula! Did I win?
Starting point is 01:16:54 Harvey. We have not left the fourth row and for the season finale of Star Trek Voyager season two, we will be recording a regular old episode. Man, a regular old episode. Can you believe it? We've really just been reg-eping it a lot lately. Hopefully it's shorter than the two-hour episode we've recorded for this one. Godfuckin' dammit. Well, the last couple episodes have been long boys. Like so many headboards. Mm-hmm.
Starting point is 01:17:28 That's a Kote mix. We really appreciate the folks that support our ability to make these long boys, people that head to maximumfund.org slash join and support on a monthly basis or folks who recommend the show to friends, family, co-workers, within the HR policies of wherever they work, religious leaders, spiritual advisors, strangers on the street. They need to hear the good news.
Starting point is 01:17:57 Yeah. Greatest Gen. It goes for the good work. That's important. We gotta thank the Cardati Bill Tilly, who has engaged, has been for the good work. That's important. We gotta thank the Card Daddy Bill Tilly, who has engaged, has been for quite a while. We knew about that. We did.
Starting point is 01:18:11 We should have congratulated the Card Daddy a lot earlier, but we're thoughtless jerks. We're not trying to put his big news out on Maine. That's up for him to do. And I guess, free Belki. Yeah. Listen, free Belki is in charge of this whole situation, honestly. Free Belki is the upper hand now. We got to thank Adam Ragusia, who made the
Starting point is 01:18:35 original theme song for the greatest generation Voyager and Dark Materia, who made the original theme music for the greatest generation period. And with that, we will be back at you next week with another great episode of Star Trek Voyager, an episode of the greatest generation voyager that has determined that was a lie. I'm a good guy. Artist-owned? Audience-supported.

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