The Greatest Generation - Tubules on the Collar (VOY S5E2)

Episode Date: December 5, 2022

When a transporter accident spawns a Borg fetus in Voyager’s science lab, Captain Janeway lets it gestate just to see how things turn out. But when One hits puberty ahead of schedule, his interest i...n the collective becomes a concern for Seven. Is it possible to over baffle? Has Mulchaey been living under a rock? Who has the butt for jodhpurs? It’s the episode driven mad by the tell-tale freestyle machine!Support the production of The Greatest Generation.Friends of DeSoto for Democracy.Friends of DeSoto for Justice. Follow The Game of Buttholes: The Will of the Caretaker!Music by Adam Ragusea & Dark MateriaFollow The Greatest Generation on Twitter, and discuss the show using the hashtag #GreatestGen!The Greatest Generation is on Twitch.Facebook group | Subreddit | Discord | WikiSign up for our mailing list!

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Priority 1 message from Starfleet coming in on Secured Channel. Hey friends of Disodo. Before today's episode, we just wanted to take a moment to talk about the historic labor actions being taken by writers and actors in the American Film and Television industry. If you're a fan of the work done by the people who make Star Trek, we hope you'll join us in standing in solidarity with the folks who actually bring these adventures to life. Over the past several years, the AMPTP, the organization that represents the American Film and Television Production Studios, have reduced the profit from movies and TV going to workers. And in so doing,
Starting point is 00:00:35 they've attempted to weaken the labor unions that represent those workers. They wouldn't even engage the unions on many issues in their negotiations. And so a strike was the only course of action to take. Adam, Wendy and I have been having a lot of internal discussions about how best to stand with the unions and we are continuing those conversations in a dynamic situation. We're doing our best to understand where the picket lines are in these digital spaces,
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Starting point is 00:01:55 and season two of Star Trek Picard. We've set up a page where you can also contribute. It's at friendsofdecotoforlabor.com. That's friendsofdecotoforlabor.com. That's friendsofdisotoforlabor.com. Link in the episode description. Okay, now let's get on with the show. Here's to the finest crew in Starfleet. Engage! Watch your back shot. Hello. I'm Captain Captain Bringengwe. The U.S. is bored. Captain Captain Captain Bringengwe. The U.S.S. Boardhead? Captain Captain Captain, Bringeng what is the U.S.S. Boardhead?
Starting point is 00:02:26 U.S. Captain Captain, Captain. Welcome to the greatest generation. It's a Star Trek podcast by a couple of guys. We're a little bit embarrassed to have a Star Trek podcast. I'm Ben Harrison. I'm Adam Pranica coming at you from a newly re-skinned studio. Do you see this behind me?
Starting point is 00:02:42 It's amazing to see you not under a bed sheet for the first time in episodes and episodes. I know you're used to seeing me in the sheets. Yeah, not anymore. Now, are you in the streets? Wait a second. Yeah. What are we not Star Trek podcasters in the streets? That's for sure.
Starting point is 00:03:05 No, no, we try Star Trek podcasters in the streets? That's for sure. No, no We try to avoid that coming up definitely Star Trek podcasters in the sheets Yeah, which is why our wives are so satisfied. Yeah, I am sure you had this experience been but the the studio space I'm working out of that I'm going to be working out of, it had nothing in it, and the sound was like a high school basketball court. It was so echoey and crazy. Yeah, you have a concrete floor in that room? Yeah, I think that's fair, and I think it's just like it, I think it's just a laminate wood flowering over the tap. Oh, okay, I see. So it's just a bouncy super live room.
Starting point is 00:03:50 And you've now put, you put baffles up. I think I overbaffled, though, man. There's no such thing. That's impossible. Okay, well, that's good because I think what happened is I chose baffle. I woke up and chose baffle instead of decoration. Because I'm looking around it all of my wall space and I'm like,
Starting point is 00:04:12 where do I put the fun things that Bill Tilly has said to us? Where do I put pictures of my worth? Where do I do all that? You've gone with a white wall with a slightly off-white to gray sound treatment panel. And the panels are covering almost every square inch. There's nowhere to hang a tour poster, not that anybody would ever hang one of our tour posters.
Starting point is 00:04:39 That bums me out. So there's a skeleton inside these baffles, right? The baffles a box and it's filled with the deadening material and then it's skinned with the fabric. But there's like wood slats in the baffle. Could I hang a picture on the baffle? I don't know. You should probably ask your baffle man about the weight tolerances
Starting point is 00:05:01 of the skeleton. Yeah. These guys are not coming off. Really? They hung like a register piece of wood and then they nail gun to into that register. Wow. Yeah. It's like on there.
Starting point is 00:05:16 He's like, if you ever want to take these off, you should probably call us, but also just yank extremely hard at the bottom and then kind of like cowboy it up over the top and that's how you get these things off. So I think this is the way it's gonna be. And unless I really wanna make some changes, but it sounds great. Yeah, you should see if that guy that did the mural at Facebook's office
Starting point is 00:05:43 and took stock options instead of payment is available. Talking about a David Cho. To come paint some stuff on your sound panels. Because painting the panels wouldn't harm their efficacy, right? That is a great idea. I've got all these silver sound panels. I could do deserts on them. Yeah. Yeah. I have a lot of panels, dude. I'm
Starting point is 00:06:11 looking around and the ones up top are square. Yeah. I'm surrounded by cubes. I should have made them black and green like Borg's cubes, right? Yeah, speaking of cubes, they don't show up in today's episode. I know. I know. But a Borg's does. Yeah, sure does. Actually, many of them.
Starting point is 00:06:35 Do you want to get into today's app? I really do, Ben. What an interesting second episode of the fifth season of Star Trek Voyager. It's called... DeRone. Reaver Course. Unless you've got something a little bigger in your torpedo toots, I'm not journeying around. Ah! I've put a lot of swobbles in that.
Starting point is 00:06:58 That would have been a cool baby name for you. Deapastrophe RONE. That's a Star Trek name that your wife never would have figured out, right? No, but listen, we haven't shared my baby's name on the show. I want to keep it that way. And I don't want anybody to be able to use process of elimination. So that's the last time we'll ever imply that his name isn't anything. Hey, for the purposes of our show, and I think it would help if we could just have a name we agreed on the whole time so that we're not like fumble fucking around for how to refer to your
Starting point is 00:07:30 son. Could he be DeRone? When we talk about your kid? Sure, why not? All right, good. With my luck, that will spontaneously become like a nickname that he goes by when he goes to elementary school. And then I'll have to like walk it back somehow. Like, yeah, he's actually never been to Rome and we never did that. Just like his daddy, the kid with an embarrassing name. This is an episode that opens.
Starting point is 00:08:04 And I was like looking at this opening shot and I paused the episode and they wrote down this bedside POV, this like looking up from a bed or from a slab. It's really starting to become a visual hallmark of Voyager, like the POV shot. It's of seven of nine making a great big glowing smile. And then you realize it's not that at all. She's looking at a mirror. There's something unusual about this smile,
Starting point is 00:08:31 and this is a thing that me and my wife have done comedically forever, which is she does not smile with her eyes and just her mouth. It's the reverse of what Tyra Banks does. Not smizing. Smizing. The high school dance photo of smiles is what this is.
Starting point is 00:08:51 Right. For many of them, right? There's something haunting about someone who smiles with just their mouth and not their eyes. And that's what you see here. If she did throw the eyes in, though, this would be a real charming smile. It would be. Yeah. She's got everything else smile. It would be. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:09:05 She's got everything else working. It's true. But it takes practice. And when the EMH barges in, he is complimenting her on her progress. She's really irritated that he is invading her personal space without asking. Knock on my door, knock next time. This used to be Seven's move, the entering a place without knocking. Yeah, me thinks the drone does protest too much.
Starting point is 00:09:30 Also we're aware of the security masturbation protocol on board the ship. How much of this is on Seventh for not locking the door? Yeah, if you're gonna flick the bean in the cargo bay, you need to be a little bit more careful about it. Yeah, she's fl gonna, if you're gonna flick the bean in the cargo bay, you need to be a little bit more careful about it. Yeah, she's flicking the corners of her mouth is what she's doing and the dot catches her. At this point, it seems unclear how much the doc is seen later. He let's it spill that he's seen it all. He's seen everything of everybody. Yeah. He and Seven are off to study a nebular, and this is going to be a brat class mission.
Starting point is 00:10:09 Just how much save your money, Buster. This is a shuttle into which Seven of Nine Tom Paris Bilti and the Doc have all waged themselves to study like novel types of radiation. See what's going on with this. Just another expanse that they're worried about crossing and what it might do to the ship. They're being a lot more cautious about these now, based on recent experiences. Don't you like shop talk though? Anytime Star Trek affords the chance for its characters to be like, man, these brat style shuttles, right?
Starting point is 00:10:49 Do you remember how many cadets they used to cram in here? Yeah, yeah. Get them all stanky. Yeah. Do you ever read about like those NASA experiments or they were like, you know, we're not going to be able to have a shower on the space capsule. So we need to study, you know, how long it takes for clothes to rot off of somebody's body.
Starting point is 00:11:08 So they would just like lock a NASA engineer in a room for like two months and like slide food under the door and they're fucking close, just like come off them in tatters because they got so dirty. Uh, that sounds awful. Yeah, there's a great Mary Roach book about the space program and how nasty it is. God, I bet.
Starting point is 00:11:33 It's so much about the space program sounds cool and interesting and that just sounds horrifying. So it's the book where I learned the term fecal popcorning, Adam. Right. Yeah. And now we all know it. I learned the term fecal popcorning, Adam. Right, yeah. And now we all know it.
Starting point is 00:11:45 There's some light bangers that happen on this shuttle. And BLT pulls a Austin Power style, oh, I fell over, oh, I fell over again. Move. Hello there. I don't know about you, but I've got a case of class two claustrophobia. This conversation about the Brat style shuttle reveals something interesting, an inspiration,
Starting point is 00:12:09 actually, that seven observes how shitty the Brat style shuttle is. And she's like, you know, you guys should probably just come up with a new kind of shuttle. Yeah. And this look between Paris and BLT, we aren't usually allowed to see what this look is. This is usually an under the sheets looked that they give each other. Yeah. They are turned on by this.
Starting point is 00:12:30 Not a bad idea. They are horny as hell about this idea, but then they spike the camera. They both just look directly into the camera. Uh-huh. I thought that was a bit of a strain. I mean, Star Trek has never broken the fourth wall, like this.
Starting point is 00:12:46 I mean, aside from that one episode where Sisky was, you know, feeling a type of way about killing a man. I think we're heading toward a place where we will have infinite Star Trek's and infinite genre combinations. Right. We're probably gonna have the Star Trek office here in the next five years where there will be a lot of spiking in the camera.
Starting point is 00:13:11 A lot of on-the-fly interviews and people's offices about what's happening, what their philosophy of management is. You'd never guess that Lieutenant Halper would end up a jacked, jack Ryan figure after the show is over. But that's the career track. Yeah, turned out that guy was a cop the entire time. So there's a bigger plasma explosion after the little one that caused the initial turbulence. This is gonna be more than the shuttle can get away from.
Starting point is 00:13:46 And up on the bridge, they are determining that they need to beam the away team out, sacrificing yet another shuttle. But maybe the last time we see the Brat class because they've got this great idea to build a new one that's easier to move the camera around in. You think they're running out of Brat's and they're going to like regular hot dogs after?
Starting point is 00:14:09 You get to have a backup sausage if you're from the Midwest. Specifically, they said bigger and more efficient. And I don't think a regular hot dog is either of those W-slash-R-slash-T-the-vendorable broadverse. You're right. You're right. On Voyager, Janeway moves the ship into Transporter Range and they got to get these guys out of there. In the Transporter room, it's Chicoete
Starting point is 00:14:31 in there, along with Mulkehi, which I think when you're coming up with character names, you definitely need to consider the difficulty of saying it, right? I don't think Mulkehi is an easy name to say, and I'm a Pranica, I know of difficult names to say. Yeah, also like, are Irish people allowed to have non-transporter chief jobs in Starfleet? Yeah, it's transporter chief and cop. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Oh man, if you have the the good fortune to be at an Irish pub on the night of a
Starting point is 00:15:11 transporter chief's wake, it's one of the great experiences. Yeah, I mean, there's that one day a year where the transporter stream is dyed green. I'm a ship. It's really fun. Yeah, if you don't know about it, you can be like, ah, Borg's. And then they'll be like, no, no, no, sunny. Okay, he seems barely up to the task of a rough transport. And that's what this dissolves into pretty quickly, right? Am I right? Yeah, you're right. It seems fine. It seems like everybody came back in one piece, but as the doc is stepping off the pad,
Starting point is 00:15:50 he starts blipping out and we get a glimpse of his emitter. That thing got fucked up. Yeah, we do glimpse the emitter, don't we? It's a go day does. Everyone else fast walks out of the transporter room but the doc, after blipping out, leaves this thing behind, and we hear from him from Six Bay, right?
Starting point is 00:16:10 Yeah, he's very worried about what's going on with this thing, and it looks like it got cooked, you know? Yeah. It looks like, you know, you're not supposed to put metal things in the microwave. This looks like, you looks like they were storing leftovers in the mobile emitter and tried to reheat them in it. Doesn't work.
Starting point is 00:16:33 Yeah, I've got a question. Why are we messing around with transporting the doctor? Like, why can't we just transport to a place with the emitter, turn the emitter on when we get there? When the mission's over, we turn off the emitter, we put the emitter in a park and then we beam back up to the ship. Why are we burning starship calories on the beaming of a hologram?
Starting point is 00:17:03 Get a life! Yeah, does the hologram even get beamed or is it just the emitter that gets beamed? Exactly my point. Yeah. Yeah. We don't know. Made me wonder. Of course, it's long day. What? You're going to have to get this into me, don't be careful, because I'm going to see this once. Do it.
Starting point is 00:17:22 So they take this thing down to the science lab and Ensen Mulkei is gonna have to come back to see how the diagnostic goes the next morning. This is apparently a render the timeline level process. Boy, you said it. We just hope that when we get up in the morning, we have an H264 file that is flawless and ready for deliverables because we are not going to have time to do this twice.
Starting point is 00:17:50 Do you think the rate of file size increase is the same in proportion to render time to where like, it's not like processor speed has grown to the extent that you still don't have to wait if you're a video professional for renders. The job hasn't changed in that way. If you're a client, you're still paying for a lot of waiting around. Yeah, man, the number of all nighters I spent babysitting a render because I was worried that something wasn't going gonna work just perfectly. God.
Starting point is 00:18:28 I sat in a lot of empty office buildings at four in the morning, like with emergency power. You know how the overhead lights, there's like one every 200 feet of ceiling space at night. Yeah, and you're like, that's fun. I guess I'll get up and go back over the Coke freestyle machine and make myself another bubble water because I can't just drink soda all night.
Starting point is 00:18:48 You think I ever worked in a place with a freestyle machine? That would be amazing. Oh my God, there are... I could not resist that. I had no choice but to resist. Damn, the Telltale freestyle machine, just goading you. Yeah, all I could think about. So is it because the bubble emitter is 29th century tech
Starting point is 00:19:10 that it takes this long to do a diagnostic on it? Maybe that's the case. It's like hooking up a new hard drive to an old computer. Right. Yeah, so Mokai he's supposed to check on it in the morning and they walk out of the room and this thing spouts tubules immediately. Yeah. Yeah, if Mokkehi had stated his post for even 30 seconds longer, he would have noticed.
Starting point is 00:19:40 This is why he's, you know, he's new to the industry. This is why he's a PA and not the producer or whatever. Like the, you know, he doesn't know that the buck can stop with him. It's true. After the break, Jane Wayslog tells us that the nebular keeps growing. She's like, usually we see small nebulas, nebulas, regular size, but this nebula is... Whoa, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, as creepy as hell, I thought. Yeah, because BLT is like sleeping in her negligee and the doc. I mean, this is classic, the doc, right? This is classic pre-Sera Silverman episodes, the doc.
Starting point is 00:20:35 Why wouldn't you, if you're writing this story, take the easy one and put Paris in bed to take great umbridge with the doc over this moment, right? Like put them in bed together. Right. But Paris and BLT have been having problems in their relationship lately. And this demonstrates those problems nonverbaly. Remember when they were in the void and they were like picking fights with each other? I don't think that they've like completely patched things up yet. Hmm. That's too bad. So we get a scene where she goes into take a shower
Starting point is 00:21:10 because he's like demanding that she work on his emitter on her day off. Yeah. She disrobes. They're back to the camera and the doc pops up there in the shower too. Hey. It's nothing I haven't seen before.
Starting point is 00:21:23 It's crazy. Roxanne Dawson has gone from wearing four layers of clothing in the last too. Hey, it's crazy. Roxanne Dawson has gone from wearing four layers of clothing in the last season and a jacket to full on rope drop in early season five. She has to throw her Terry cloth towel over the iPad to keep him out of her private space. It's crazy that the showers are sonic, but the towels remain the same, right? Yeah, also it's crazy that they put face time in the shower area.
Starting point is 00:21:55 And what's going on here seems pretty pervy, doesn't it? Remember how novel it was to occasionally go to a hotel where there was a TV in the mirror. Oh, yeah. I don't think they do that anymore, but I remember the first time I encountered that. That's a big fun. Yeah, I went to a hotel that had a TV in the mirror, but it was at a right angle to the tub in the room, which was so annoying because I was like, I want to take a bath and watch fucking, you know, moonshineers or something on the Discovery Channel.
Starting point is 00:22:28 Moonshine truckers. And instead, like, I'm gonna be relaxing all of my body except for my neck will have a giant crick in it from being turned to the left the entire time. Yeah. Fuck that. My neck, my crick, my 90-degree angled hotel mirror TV.
Starting point is 00:22:50 There's a reason why Weird Al writes those songs and not me, right? Yeah, yeah. We never do parody music on this program because we know it would be bad. Leave it to the masters. So seven wakes up suddenly mid-re a, she hasn't fully regenerated, but she knows something's up. Yeah. She's suspicious. She steps off the pad and then we kind of cut up to the bridge where it looks like Harry Kim pulled the overnight shift
Starting point is 00:23:17 in command. It would be great if every time he had the big chair, he played a clarinet and it just became his thing. Oh, great. Ensign Kim's here to play his clarinet and make us call him captain again. Sounds like you're enjoying the big chair. That's not a bad way to spend the night. Commander, I keep asking to be rotated off of the fourth shift. And I think you know why. I keep asking. Yeah. From what I hear, Ensign, you're one of the past masters on board
Starting point is 00:23:49 at getting rotated off. He was stating the obvious again. You definitely want to set up the security protocol. If you're in your quarters rotating off, right? Right, yeah. And you know, make sure that the Delaney sister is into it before you start rotating off. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:24:09 Something funny happens here that maybe wonder if the show isn't on the joke. Did you notice the cloud of story writing credits here displayed over the ever growing Borg screens in the science lab? Yeah, that was pretty fun. You think that was a comment on itself? Yeah, I think they're tagging the joke, hanging a lantern on it. Yeah, because there's like eight writing credits
Starting point is 00:24:31 on this one again. But like Brian Foller among them? Yeah, we're in capable hands at least. Yeah, we like Brian Foller even though he quit Star Trek, right? Ready to run discovery and then the the last moment like, fuck that. Yeah. I mean, whatever happened there. It sounded like the first couple of years of that show a pretty rocky situation W slash R slash T show runner. Oh, yeah. You said it. So Chico Te is like relieving Kim of commands
Starting point is 00:25:06 and is asking for a situation or report and seven walks out of the bridge and is like, there's Borgs here. And they're like, what do you mean? And she's like, I could tell, you know, I'm getting proximity alerts in my brains. This is an old DNA Troy trick, right? Right.
Starting point is 00:25:22 You know, whenever she'd be like, I feel something and it's weird. The whole show stops. Yeah, but I think that Troy had earned a certain like instinctive trust in the rest of the crew on the D that seven hasn't quite yet. So there's a lot of like, what do you mean there's borricks instead of just like stop, like all stop security alert, kind of shit. And I think if they'd like said red alert the second they got this report,
Starting point is 00:25:51 maybe, and some Mulkehi wouldn't have gotten in the trouble he did. Yeah, and so far there hasn't been any false alarms of like, she's never been the girl who cried borricks. Now, this is, to my knowledge, the first time she's brought up something like this. So, well, Kay, he goes down to the science lab to do his follow-up on the diagnostic. And when he opens the door, it's like a twitch streamer has read on the lighting, hidden the room.
Starting point is 00:26:20 It's all green. Yeah. We don't even see what he sees, but we do see the tubules go into his neck. Okay, you got a call for backup, dude. You got to. When you see green, just call for backup. That's either rams or borigs.
Starting point is 00:26:36 Is it possible that Mokei doesn't know what the borigs are? Or anything about how they present color wise. He's like, he's just been living under a rock. I remember six months into 2002, an NPR report where they found somebody that worked on a farm somewhere in the middle of the country that hadn't heard of 9-11. Yeah, that's Mokai. Yeah. That's Mokkei. Yeah, he's that wolf 35 what? No, I mean, Picard in my mind has always been one of the great captains
Starting point is 00:27:12 and a spotless record. Yes, me. The thing I like about Picard is nothing bad ever happens to him. Yeah. That's what I think. I've always admired his eloquation. So we got Borgs in the science lab, seven who has been told to go to six bay to, you know, it's like they first at first, don't believe her to the extent that they order her
Starting point is 00:27:46 to get a diagnostic of her board's parts. So condescending. Just a bunch of men telling her to go see a doctor about whatever it is they don't understand inside her. Sounds great. And smash cut to those men being proven dramatically wrong and a bunch of security people marching down the hallway with huge rifles
Starting point is 00:28:08 to the science lab. To co-tage a seven of nine, looks like you were right. Discovering that it has started to become assimilated. Why do I love these scenes so much? Just a fucking march down a hallway with a bunch of star fleets and phaser rifles. We could have luxuried it in the scene for like another half a minute.
Starting point is 00:28:28 Give me more of this walk. Yeah, there's that YouTube that's like 10 hours of Riker and Picard marching down the hallways. Yeah, that's great. I wonder if that can happen to this soon. Yeah, are there enough cuts that you could keep it going? That's great. So yeah, they find Mulkei, he's out.
Starting point is 00:28:47 Is he dead? They don't say it explicitly, but as they describe what's happened, and because no one rushes to give any sort of life-saving aid, like to him, I think that's what they're saying. I think that's the... Well, they take... No, but they take him to Six Bay and he like walks away, but... What?
Starting point is 00:29:08 Yeah, he walks. With the other two security guys that like leaves two Valkin Seven in the lab. No fucking way. Are you, are you serious? Yeah, go to like the 12 minute mark and you will see dead man walking. All right.
Starting point is 00:29:25 Take him to Sick Bay. The Nets of Mokkei under the room, they sampled his DNA. Oh, you hear bright and early. But like, one of the things that confused the hell out of me in this episode was I think it's the same actor playing one eventually. Is that, am I wrong about that? Very, yeah.
Starting point is 00:29:43 It's a different guy, but it's the same DNA. Why would they recast Mokaihi and one? This is the point I wanted to bring up later, which is like if you're Mokaihi, the actor who plays him, and you see how this episode begins, you gotta be like, I'm a main character here. I'm gonna work for an entire week. This poor guy Todd Babcock,
Starting point is 00:30:06 they pull him out and replace him with J Paul Boomer. You know that guy, right? He plays every Nazi on Star Trek for the last ten years. He was in the killing game. He was the killing game Nazi. No shit. Yeah. You're up. Must be purified. What the fuck? And I J. Paul Boomer. I like him just fine. You would but Ah, what a nut smash Todd Babcock has to deal with. This is why I thought he died. Yeah, I cuz they also like don't seem to check in on him any Further in the episode. Nobody's like how is Enzen Mokke? He doing See my attention was drawn to seven. I totally missed any further in the episode. Nobody's like, how is Enzen Malkahi doing? See, my attention was drawn to seven.
Starting point is 00:30:47 I totally missed Malkahi being taken away under his own power. Yeah. Why don't we know what happens to him? There's so few members to this crew. Somebody dying should be a huge deal. Like going down and getting covered in McRibsauce because you went into the wrong nebula too quickly, should be like grounds for the entire crew grieving.
Starting point is 00:31:14 You imagine, okay, he goes back to his quarters, where his wife is, and she's like, what is that on your neck? Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, I knew you in that seven were up to no good. Yeah, he's got two beles on the collar. Try to explain that one away, okay? So seven is able to walk through the force field that surrounds the object in the middle of
Starting point is 00:31:42 the science lab. And two of us is like, what the fuck is going on in a way that I really liked, because like Tuvac has to suspect that Sevin is doing this, right? Yeah, I think any detective, and let's face it, I think that's what Tuvac is, should have arrived at that suspicion. She goes in, she pushes a button and a little door,
Starting point is 00:32:05 Iris is open and there's a Borg's baby in there. Yeah. I love how it's a little box. Yeah. And it's the same baby as an Alimic peel. It starts dancing. I love how you get the POV. Yeah. The Borg feed us here too. I wanted the POV at the beginning of this episode and the POV is delivered in the next scene. It's the Captain Seven and two Voc looking in at this thing and the Captain is surprisingly
Starting point is 00:32:37 accepting of this new dancing baby they have on board. To an extent that I had a hard time believing until she starts talking about the idea of once it matures, you know, appropriating its defensive capabilities. At this point, I don't feel like a lot of that is said. She just, her reasoning is I want to find out what happens. And that's good enough. Right, yeah, the copy of the doc that was in living witness, if that had been ever able to report back
Starting point is 00:33:12 on the idea of like attack borgs in the cargo bay, like that would have been a fun motivation for Janeway. Like I've always thought that was an interesting thought to repel invaders. This could be the beginning of our attack-borg force. But yeah, she does wind up having a very interesting justification for that, but we don't get it for a few scenes. When she's like, yeah, go ahead and put a security force field up and post a detail to this
Starting point is 00:33:42 thing, but we're not killing the baby borgs. It's like, you know, blinking guy dot gif. So much to unpack in this scene about how the hell this happened, right? The explanation is that it's kind of a two vix thing, like the transporter malfunction made it so that sevens, borgs, nanoprobes got down with the docs, Halloween, a matter along with Mokai, he's DNA and they stirred it all together.
Starting point is 00:34:11 And that's what you got. Yeah, it's growing really fast too. It's developing much quicker than a drone would normally. This Borg's is the first to get pubes in his class. Pubes in a mustache. Yeah. All the other Borgs is the first to get pubes in his class. Pubes in a mustache. Yeah. All the other Borgs are like, what the hell? Like, I thought we were playing floor hockey.
Starting point is 00:34:32 And now all of a sudden, I've got to body check a man. Yeah. Who is awesome at classmate? Like, and it makes this drone feel really awkward at first. And, and it will feel really awkward also when it starts to develop male pattern baldness like in senior year, but in the meantime, it does sort of become a hero to its peers because it can buy beer without being carted. Yeah. I love, there's a throwaway line here that made me laugh and laugh, which is the doc is talking to seven about the patient
Starting point is 00:35:05 and that they're the equivalent of a six year old boy at this point. And the doc is like, I can tell it's male. You think so, doctor? Did you look under the cod piece? The doctor also says that his mobile emitter is embedded in the cerebral cortex of this six-year-old drone. And man, like the grieving his freedom on the ship storyline really gets pushed to the
Starting point is 00:35:37 background in this. Like I feel like Robert Picardo knew how big a deal this would be for the doc, but the script kind of forgets what a big deal that would be. I mean, there is that moment where the doc goes full deep thoughts by Jack Handy. And he's like, if you ever drop your Hollywood miter into the brains of a Borg's drone, let him go because man, it's gone. The one way that the script does honor that storyline for the doc is that he is on full barge in via FaceTime mode for the rest of the episode. But yeah, they are letting this thing develop in a quick way.
Starting point is 00:36:21 And seven meets with the captain in her ready room about this. And this is when we finally get a cohesive pitch for why this is an interesting idea and one that we should entertain. And that is, this is a 29th century Borg's that doesn't have any connection to the collective. It's like the idea of a child that's born with no knowledge of racism.
Starting point is 00:36:44 They'll be able to indoctrinate it into their way of thinking. I love this moment because it is... like his file is getting read to Janeway. And when Janeway hears about all of the great things about this guy, she's like, that is a hell of a combination. You got a round, didn't you? Incredible. Justin, come on.
Starting point is 00:37:08 We know it more than U.S.S. No more than U.S. Come on, Justin, come on. We know it more than U.S. Come on, Justin, come on. Her idea is to put seven of nine in the position of sort of being the ambassador to make friends with the super-drone
Starting point is 00:37:24 and lead sort of a first contact mission. of being the ambassador to make friends with the super drone and lead sort of a first contact mission. We cut down to seven going to meet this drone when it wakes up and it's the kind of first contact where everybody's pointing rifles at the species that you're making first contact with, just in case it's an asshole. And this is perfect better be polite
Starting point is 00:37:42 than was it during the minute cap food. This doesn't go great. And I think part of it is because this new drone is so much of a clean slate. He can't even understand what's being asked or said to him, right? Yeah, without a board code base to tell him what to do and how to act. Yeah, he's dumb as hell. We are individuals. Do you understand?
Starting point is 00:38:10 State our designation. Apparently not. I gotta put this out there. This board costume fucking sucks. It is so bad. This is like that episode of Voyager, where BLT gets kidnapped by that robot, and it's like a race of robots.
Starting point is 00:38:28 I don't know what's happening from the waist up on this guy, but this looks like they inflated balloons and put like paper mache on them, and then like pop the balloons, and then like painted it gray. I don't understand why future tech has to look so rough. Yeah, it's very lumpy. I think this guy should look like fucking
Starting point is 00:38:47 Robocop. Yeah. Or like, there's like eight Ironman suits that are cool as hell. It's nanotech. You like it? Right. I feel like this should be a much, much cooler version. Borg's drone than we've seen before. And for whatever reason, he doesn't look cooler. He looks worse. Yeah, it's, you know when like suddenly in like the mid 90s, everybody stopped wanting to have their home electronics be black and they wanted them to be silver. Yeah. He's like the Iowa boom box of board drones. Ooh, that, that one hits harder than anything I see.
Starting point is 00:39:26 Damn, dude. Yeah, I don't know why so lumpy. I don't know why so unfinished looking. He's also very like, herky jerky the way he moves seems a little more bobbily than other drones. This was an effect I was hoping would improve as he got his programming, right? Like, as an acting exercise, you could understand if in the beginning, when you have no programming, you would have a difficult time speaking or walking, and then as those things became installed, you'd get better.
Starting point is 00:40:05 That never changes for him. Yeah. It's a choice that this actor makes and does not abandon or modulate at all. This guy is a great actor because he acts like a Nazi in an awesome way, awesome Nazi acting. You love that shit. Robot acting. Not so much. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:40:26 And not only that, Ben. You get Todd Bapcock on the sidelines, watching this performance probably go in like... Are you kidding me? I could act like a robot better than that. Fuck! I was in the beginning of this clip. This guy's supposed to be based exactly on my character's fucking DNA!
Starting point is 00:40:48 And I bring Nazi guy in! What's that say about me? Should I just get out of this fucking acting game? Start a career as a plumber or something? This is why when you go to start Trek conventions, the J Paul Boomer and Todd Babcock tables opposite sides of the floor. They can't be close to each other. Yeah. Real bad blood. Yeah. And like sometimes you'll hear other people that had featured roles in other episodes of Star Trek say that they thought that John Paul Boomer had some pretty good ideas. Like he was in all that.
Starting point is 00:41:27 And Todd Babcock will fucking throw a starship model across the convention center if he hears that kind of talk. I don't blame him. Yeah. You know what John Paul Boomer has? There's a lot of facial hair on his vinculum. I always just got damn it up.om. I was just goddamn it up! God!
Starting point is 00:41:46 I was just about to make that joke! Oh! When you have two Star Trek sponsors on the same wavelength, thinkin' to the same joke? God damn it! What do you need two of us for? Ben could do the show by himself at this point. I would never. What I was going to say about John Paul Boomer was that it takes like eight hours to get him in the one makeup, but it takes an extra two hours to shave his makeup.
Starting point is 00:42:15 It's so much better than what I should. They're gonna take it down in stages, like all the different guards. Oh, yeah, that thing will bind up a clipper, like nobody's business. They got to stop it and charge it halfway through. If you're not listening to the Star Trek Prodigy episodes on Greatest Trek, you are missing out. Yeah. Yeah. Well, so after some failed attempts at verbal communication, seven attempts, a Borg's Mind Meld,
Starting point is 00:42:54 which is a couple of probes into the neck of this drone, and it's loving, getting the information so much that it grabs under her wrist and like wants to like force her to continue feeding it information. Yeah. Tuvak tries to shoot him off of her because she keeps going, shoot him, shoot him. But that doesn't work. Hey, Tuvak, I think you can spin that rifle around and hit him with the butt of that thing. Yeah. At this point, that's not the thing that gets him to disengage, though. Telling him that he's hurting her is the thing that gets him to stop.
Starting point is 00:43:34 Yeah, he complies and backs down. And now, like, based on that experience, they're like, let's give this guy tons of information. Oh man. A lot of risks being taken this episode that I don't quite understand. So this is like one of the few episodes that I can acknowledge the Nielix is good at getting his hands on random shit element of his character.
Starting point is 00:44:03 Yeah, like this. He has some like Borg's communication nodes or something. Mm-hmm. And he gives them to BLT and they're down in engineering working on like just giving like database material to this drone. He's got an insatiable appetite for this stuff. Yeah. It doesn't make him walk any better, though. I don't think any of the materials are about how to walk steadily. No. I mean, like, you know, my child is still an infant
Starting point is 00:44:30 and he's very wobbly. He doesn't have a ton of control over what his arms and legs are doing. And maybe we should cut this board drone, some slack at him. What about that? You're saying, uh, to round and Daron are very similar in that respect? Yeah, this Dron is just like Daron, my son. A boy. There is a moment here that felt very savacanz-fuck to me. This Dron is looking at the data node and he's like, well, what the fuck am I supposed to do with this?
Starting point is 00:45:04 And seven's like, well, yeah, you stick your nodules into it. Yeah. You finger-fuck it. And this drone is like, what mean nodules? And seven needs to like grab his arm and flick his wrist and get these things to pop out. I think one other thing about how lumpy and crude- looking his costume is that is not great is that when the probes come out, when the little tentacles come out, they're so like perfect and clean because they're like computer rendered
Starting point is 00:45:34 that they don't look like part of it. I agree. But he loves this. He loves getting the data. He's like, give me more. Like, you like hit me again. And he starts to get it. Like as soon as he starts absorbing more of this information,
Starting point is 00:45:47 he's like, whoa, you're seven and you're Nelix. And I'm on a ship. And I'm me. I'm not a part of a collective, we're friends. I'm on Star Trek. And then he just looks right in the camera. Yeah. What is it with this episode and break in the fourth wall? No one is treating him as a security threat at this point.
Starting point is 00:46:11 Seven's like, cool, things are going great. I'm going to go do something else. Nelix, take him to Six Bay. Nelix, take the wheel. And this drone is even like, I don't think that's a good idea. But seven's like, look, I promise I'm gonna come back. You're gonna be fine with Nelix and out in the corridor Nelix and this newborgs take a walk while he kind of makes
Starting point is 00:46:33 rainman style observations of his world around him. He's a precocious little murder machine. And I thought that the scene with the doc could have been And I thought that the scene with the doc could have been a very interesting heightening of the doctor's feelings of resentment. About this guy having selected a name so quickly, do you think, is that part of the resentment? That too, but yeah, like also having taken
Starting point is 00:46:59 his mobile emitter, like the doctor must hate him. I love that moment, it's such a fun callback when Nielix is like, well, what's your name? And the drone's like, I don't got one. And Nielix is like, you, you, one. Wait, that's it. I got to get that. Lucknow put your luck number your mouth.
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Starting point is 00:49:42 Get to do it. Do it. The doctor explains the situation at some pressing by one. Explains the situation that led to one's existence. And it's a real like, was I an accident, daddy, kind of moment. And the EMH even kind of positions himself in 7 of nine as the father and mother figures, which has got to be especially galling to Ensign Mulkei, who is like lying on a biobed recovering from his tubule wound off camera. I really wonder if this episode works without this specific moment or
Starting point is 00:50:19 these lines of dialogue, because this feels so much to me like a fourth person on the credits list going, I have an idea. This should be more of a metaphor, like more obvious of a metaphor than it is. And we need to just fucking say it. Like, I wonder if I would feel his sacrifice a little more if it came from a place other than I'm a mistake and that is where all myself worth is and that is how I will live my very short life. Yeah, because like to his credit, the EMH gives an S tier the rubber broke rationalization for why he shouldn't feel that way. Right.
Starting point is 00:51:01 Call it a random convergence of technology. But I was like surprised at how cool the image was being because like the image is such a petty and resentful character. I can't believe he's just like, no, no, you should feel totally cool about this. Look kid, I had a tone of freedom with my mobile emitter. I could go out and do whatever I wanted at any time. Rambul if you will. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:51:24 And now that it's buried in your brains, I'm fine. It's just fine. It's good, it's what I wanted. Yeah. One turns out to be very helpful down in the engineering section. What's BLT doing? She's like scanning the nebula or some shit. Well, she's doing real work while seven stops
Starting point is 00:51:52 like it's a fucking tour group situation, like showing them around engineering. This isn't a classroom, seven. Yeah, and like showing off engineering and the people in it, like they are all equal objects worthy of just kind of casual descriptors like she calls BLT volatile right to her face. Yeah. Yeah. BLT is like 29th century technology, huh?
Starting point is 00:52:16 Well, this panel is 24th century technology and you'll notice it's perfectly smooth. What the hell is going on with your chest, one? It looks like you were dragged behind a truck. perfectly smooth. What the hell is going on with your chest one? It looks like you were dragged behind a truck. The hell is going on in the Iowa boom box factory. Newborgs really earns us keep in this scene. He's like, what are you doing? BLT. I'm going to be LT says, newborgs is like, well, I can do that right now.
Starting point is 00:52:46 Like I know exactly how to do this task that you're trying to accomplish fee-boy. And then he jumps right in onto a keyboard and the licks that he plays. Yeah. They work. Yeah. He really brings the house down. Yeah. And one is integrated happily into the crew far more easily than 7 of 9
Starting point is 00:53:09 ever was. I loved how the camera panned down to her hand and she had a pencil in it. She snapped it. That was a fun callback. She co-taused to be the one doing that all the time. I love it. So one finally meets Janeway. Yeah, I was wondering what this was going to happen. How are you today? I'm just fine. Thank you. It seemed like Janeway was so curious about one, and then one is born or whatever.
Starting point is 00:53:42 She doesn't come to meet him or anything. There are two ways that one is very, very different from seven. The first is that he is really interested in knowing how people see him in a way that seven really never has. And if Janeway specifically approves of him, the second is when he turns and walks away, he has got a giant borg's dumper on him. Like, holy moly. Even white boys got the shout, baby got it back.
Starting point is 00:54:12 I hate to see you go, but I am still watching you leave. Like, there is no distance you could walk away where I'm not seeing that dumper. Yeah, one can really throw it back. Am I sufficient? Why, yes. More than sufficient, in fact, that's... Don't want none unless you've got buns on.
Starting point is 00:54:32 They should have cut away before he turned around, Ben. Can you imagine being in the art department and being the person that gets tasked with sculpting the one dumper? It didn't need to be that big. I mean, this is an actor that's worn, what are those Nazi jodpers? Like, yeah. Like, he's used to like a big butt piece of apparel back there.
Starting point is 00:54:55 How does Borg's butt look worse than Nazi pants? Maybe that's why they cast him as a Nazi as he's got the butt for jobpers and and just inconveniently. You know what? You don't want to adapt a Borg butt to fit him. Todd Babcock is leaning back in his chair going, oh, I get it now. All right. It's actually fine.
Starting point is 00:55:17 I get it. I understand. Seven reports after he leaves that he's like starting to get a little bit curious about his, you know, like where his adoptive family, but he's starting to get curious about his biological family over his techno biological family, rather. And the idea of like learning about the board to something that seven is a little bit hesitant to proceed with. And Jane was like, well, we've kind of thrown caution to the wind so far in this episode. Why don't we go ahead and keep doing that? You don't want a Borgs to find out from their friends, right?
Starting point is 00:55:59 You want to sit them down and tell them directly from a parent or an authority figure. to sit them down and tell them directly from a parent or an authority figure. Yeah. So like maybe tomorrow and seven and one head back down to the cargo bay to recharge overnight. And he's like, come on, mom, you got to tell me, you got to tell me about the boards. And she's like tomorrow, right, I do it tomorrow. And he's like, I don't want to go to bed.
Starting point is 00:56:22 There's a monster under my alcove. And she's like, all right, let me get the flashlight and show you. They sort of have like the Borg Burton Ernie of Voyager Energy as they're going to bed here. Great call. I wanted to just go to sleep. Let me get a little rest, huh?
Starting point is 00:56:37 I was surprised at this point at one not being more articulate for having downloaded so much information for knowing so much. Like, he's still reading his Borg Lenny to me and I was just waiting for the moment that he has a misunderstanding that kills a bunny. Right. And by bunny, I mean someone on the crew. Yeah, like another Mokaihi type. Right. Right. Because Mokaihi is fine. We saw him walk out of there. I love how one is the kind of Borgs that sits on the toilet backwards.
Starting point is 00:57:12 Like he goes into the Alco face first. Oh, yeah. He's the AC Slater of 29th century Borgs. Yeah. This is big fun. Hey, what's that thing beeping on his neck? Yeah. That seems, you know, like when they put a tracker on a car in a movie and it's
Starting point is 00:57:28 got like a bright red light, you're like, really? Like, wouldn't a spy gadget not have a red light that would call attention to itself like that? Little strip of gaff tape would probably take care of that. Yeah. Nope, that light is him contacting a sphere. And we get a screen grab from first contact here. The collective is talking about how they've detected this guy
Starting point is 00:57:54 and they're altering course to intercept. If you're breaking this episode, would you choose to have this scene right here or would you save the confrontation for the end? I kind of didn't want to be here. I don't want to go to the Borg sphere and hear them talk about this new signal they picked up.
Starting point is 00:58:13 There would be something really interesting about just them going to sleep and then waking up with Janeway and every security person on the ship in the room standing in front of them. That's what I'm saying. Like, how do you make this cut stronger? I think you take out that 30 seconds before the commercial. Because that is a rude awakening. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:58:32 Yeah. And Janeways, like, what have you done? And they're like, what? We didn't do anything. We took them offline. No signal. No signal. I'm giving you an order.
Starting point is 00:58:42 I'm giving you an order. It was bad under spurt. I'm giving you an order. I'm giving you an UF just crossed the line. No signal no signal Jane was like all right well go ahead and show him about the Borg like we planned I mean at this point the Borgs is out of the bag right like right they they sit him down in the ass lab and It's safe to say that this instructional video did not land how they had hoped because one's major takeaway is, boy, the borax are pretty neat. What's it like to meet them? Wolf 359, more like Wolf 360, because add me to that. Okay, he's in the ass lab watching this video too and is like,
Starting point is 00:59:29 I had no idea. Oh my God! What the fuck? The camera pans over to him in the back and he's like, Pfff. Pfff. Pfff. Pfff. Why didn't anybody tell me about this? It's horrible. Yeah. Last to find out, Mokehi.
Starting point is 00:59:55 More surprised than one. So, Janeway, it turns to one and is like, hey, so we're about to meet these guys. Do you think you could like soup the ship up so that we won't get killed when we meet them? Yeah. That's a huge amount of trust to extend. There's coffee and the orderability is to enhance our defenses. It's such a weird scene because the questions and answers
Starting point is 01:00:16 are coming from so many different directions like Janeway's like, what do you think about giving us more weapons and defenses? And one basically turns to seven in this very same scene and it's like, hey, what do you think about going and joining them? Do you ever think about giving us more weapons and defenses. And one basically turns to seven in this very same scene. And it's like, hey, what do you think about going and joining them? Do you ever think about that? Yeah, like right in front of Janeway. And seven is like, nope, I actually want to stay here.
Starting point is 01:00:37 And I think you should too. What do you think about the pregnancy of that pause though? It did seem like she had to think a long time about it. It did. And they didn't actually show it, but you can hear Janeway snap a pencil in that pause. Do you wish to rejoin the collective? Voyager is my collective.
Starting point is 01:01:00 The take they didn't use is seven smiling like she did at the in response to the question. She just smiles with her eyes. And that's why she's so alluring. Yeah. So one basically tells Janeway that he's got to think about it. Like there is no answer to the question, will you help us? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:01:21 Probably because they couldn't walk to a stride through the door. For that fucking dumper. One is feeling a type of way as they walk down the hallway. And I really like this scene because the hallway is like a beehive activity. People are like running to get to their stations for a red alert situation. Imagine being afraid of the Borgs attacking you and running past a Borgs in your corridor. Don't love that. Yeah. So they head up to the bridge where they're getting hailed by the Borgs and being told to heave to and prepare to be bored. Do you remember the deal we made earlier that allowed us safe passage? And the Borgs are like,
Starting point is 01:02:11 yeah, you actually didn't say anything about it going forever. It actually expired. You fool. You didn't negotiate an endless period of peace between us. Yeah. Yeah. Jane Way is like, fuck, God damn it. There's always something in the fine print that gets me. They go back into a void in the next episode and Jane Way super bummed about not negotiating an endless peace agreement between Voyager and the Borgs. It was short-sighted and now all of us are paying for my mistake. Yeah, this is just like another opportunity for her to feel super guilty about a mistake
Starting point is 01:02:48 that you made in the past. Yeah. Yeah. So the Borg's put a tractor beam on Voyager and one sticks some tubules into the computer and is able to remodulate their shields and break the tractor beam. And I loved this exterior shot. It looked so cool. Yeah. I love getting weird with the angles. And then he enhances their phasers and they take a shot at the sphere. And this doesn't work.
Starting point is 01:03:16 Their technology is only so good. There's only so much he can do. But he has really souped their shields up. And they're like, well, fuck, I'm not really sure what we can do because we can't win in a shooting war with this sphere. And he's like, don't worry about it. I got this one, guys.
Starting point is 01:03:34 You stay here. I'm gonna beam over. I'm gonna march right over there and I'm gonna tell them to knock it off. And he is super confident he won't be assimilated, even though both he and Seven are hearing voices. And it seems like they're having an effect on him until Seven is like, you've got to resist these voices,
Starting point is 01:03:56 my friend. Yeah. So he does like an eye dream of genie hand movement and beams himself over to the sphere. And the sphere tells him resistance as futile, and he's like, like fun it is, and starts beating up drones and hops onto a recharge station and starts hacking the sphere. I think everything in the episode rides on this scene because you're warned about what would happen multiple times about if this 29th century Borg's
Starting point is 01:04:31 falls into the Borg's hands and improves the Borg's across the quadrant. Like the fact that they don't fit him with an exploding vest before he beams over is insane. It's terrifying. They're just trusting him. And what he does is he goes and flies the sphere into the nebula and it crushes like a can. It explodes, it's a huge explosion. Great effect. Really fun effect.
Starting point is 01:04:59 I think the Borg should have seen this coming though because one learned how to fly a sphere but never learned how to land a sphere, but never learned how to land. Yeah. Yeah. And also two is one. One is none.
Starting point is 01:05:12 So precisely got to be anticipating that he would self sacrifice. He's like the one survivor. His personal force field was strong enough to prevent him from dying immediately, but he's really fucked up. And they get him to 6-BAY, and the doc is scanning him, and he's all bloody. He's got bored brains oozing out of his head, and he needs surgery. He's talking to 7 about, like, did it, you know, did it work? Ship out of danger, Captain. And she's talking to him about how nice it is to be in the collective,
Starting point is 01:05:49 but he's like, again, they know about me. So they're going to be obsessed with getting me. And I don't think we can let me fall into their hands. Yeah, I mean, he wants to die here to protect Voyager, Yeah, I mean, he wants to die here to protect Voyager, but also to correct God's sick plan. The accident that is won as he perceives it. I was never meant to be. And he goes so far as to put up a force field to stop the doctor from saving his life. Yeah, fucked up.
Starting point is 01:06:21 And when he dies, there's that moment of pause, where the doc looks at him, he looks at the flat line and he's like, did he have an organ donation card or can I just go in and get my emitter back? Yeah, I also thought it was kind of a weird choice to do kind of comic relief right here, but the doc tries to do that thing where he reaches and pushes his eyelids closed, but the force field is still up, so he can't get his hand in there.
Starting point is 01:06:51 Yeah, that's tough. Yeah. So the book end of the episode is a shot of seven looking into that same mirror from the beginning, only this time, sad. Yeah. Maybe she'll turn on his alcove some other time. You think you just tear the alcove out or you just turn the power off to it at this point.
Starting point is 01:07:09 Oh, yeah. Maybe she leaves it exactly like he left it. Oh, yeah. It's like kind of like a parent with a kid who's gone up to college. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Not my parents, but.
Starting point is 01:07:21 Oh, yeah. Yeah. You know, more sentimentally minded parent. As soon as I had crossed the threshold of our front door on my way to the car, shit was being done to my room. Yeah, suddenly this is a guest room, interesting. Pretty nice composition at the end of her with the Tesla coil behind her head, that final scene, and also like a pretty affecting performance here by
Starting point is 01:07:45 Jerry Ryan. Truly. I thought that she was great throughout this episode, but did you like the episode overall? Yeah, did you like throughout the episode? You know, I'm maybe easy to get along with, most of the time, but I don't like bullets, I don't like friends, and I don't like you. I think starting from the end, Jerry Ryan carries this episode as a main cast character in a way that seemed momentous.
Starting point is 01:08:17 Like the captain of the ship is mostly sideline during a story that is an existential threat to everyone there. It's really Seventh's job to figure this out. That said, like, what happens in this episode is a lot better than what we see in this episode. And I think sadly, so much of it has to do with one's chest. Sadly, so much of it has to do with one's chest. Like it's on screen a ton. It's hard to take him seriously as a threat when he is just kind of a slow borgs about it, even though we're meant to believe that he's superior in every way. I wonder why they chose not to make him linguistically superior. Like a little faster on the uptake,
Starting point is 01:09:06 a little athletic looking in the walking around, like make him a superhero because telling me he's a superhero and describing all the cool things he can do and only seeing like one trick, the transporter trick, like he wasn't impressive enough for me. Yeah. Yeah. And this actor is used to playing very impressive characters on Star Trek, you know, master characters, if you will. Our blood is pure. And uh, just don't think he rose to that level with one. And one is such an interesting character. I thought I thought he deserved more interesting ideas, but the execution, I don't know. It's hard to articulate the improvements that I would make outside of that chest, but
Starting point is 01:09:51 I think it starts with that chest. If the chest rose to the level of the ass, maybe we would be more praising of this episode. Yeah. What did you think, Ben? I think this episode is really entertaining. You know, first and foremost, that's an important metric. But yeah, like it definitely felt like a non-dangerous Borgs episode, like which I hate. Yeah. And like much less interrogation of the captains kind of less interrogation of the captains kind of willing this to risk everything, to try a thing out with the Borgs that I would have wanted in an episode.
Starting point is 01:10:32 Like I think this would have been a really interesting two-parter and really like go into all of the angles on this. And you know, like that could be a richer storyline about the doctor grieving the loss of his mobile emitter, but you know, coming to have a respect for this character or something, you know, more about everybody questioning what the captain is up to and her having to make a more full-throated defense of her plan. Right. Scarrier, enemy encounters with boards. I mean, serialize this like you did the heroogen message. Like, that was running in the background of half a dozen episodes. There's no reason why you couldn't slow down the gestation of this thing
Starting point is 01:11:15 and make it something you really think about for a long time. And like, that scene about BLC being volatile, like, make one more volatile, make him more tempted to be the worst kind of borg's more times, you know. The show so interested in teaching people how to be human, I know the very name is racist, but like with how much care the doc takes in bringing seven up and socializing her and stuff, there is that story baked in here and that never happens. Right.
Starting point is 01:11:49 It would have been nice if it had happened, but it doesn't. Yeah. Well, do you want to see if there's anything nice in the priority one inbox at them? Yeah, I'm just checking out the costume design on these P1s. Priority one message from Starfleet coming in on Secured Channel. Need a supplement? P1's. Adam our first P1 is of a promotional nature. Goes like this. That time of year again, yes.
Starting point is 01:12:24 It's time to start thinking about what to get family and friends for the holidays. Get them something you know they will use, like small batch, carefully crafted hot sauce from PSP Brooklyn. PSP Brooklyn. PSP Brooklyn prioritizes flavor while striking the perfect balance of options from heat to mo-heat. Our BK box car gift box features all five of our delicious flavors, packed in a beautifully designed box featuring a lively NYC subway scene.
Starting point is 01:12:56 Get yours today, Adam! PSB Brooklyn is a company founded by a very good friend of mine, Jamal Richardson. Yeah, and we both were sent a couple of bottles of this hot sauce bin. Yeah, and I actually just yesterday in the mail, Adam received the box car gift box. Whoa. We're getting dinner tonight.
Starting point is 01:13:19 I will bring this and you can pick a couple more bottles out. Cool. Of the gift box. It's really beautiful. I really liked the sauce that we were sent before and what's more, I fucking respect that they didn't put the little dober thing on the end of the bottle. Yeah. Like, that is a full on pour spout that you need to be careful when you're using because
Starting point is 01:13:41 I made some eggs with it a couple mornings ago and oversawed. It was delicious. Jamal is a great dude. I met him. He was a bartender when I met him. He was instrumental in my wife and I in our courtship. We would go to the bar that he worked at all the time. Wow. I've traveled the world with Jamal.
Starting point is 01:14:03 He's a really talented photographer and videographer. And I really hope people will check this out. So go to pspbrookland.com and get that hot sauce. Yeah. I mean, I think we're both people that have Miriam hot sauces. Yeah. In their pantries. I go to this one all the time. Yeah. This is one of my go-to hot sauces in the house. Yeah. The mango maruga one is my personal faith. If you're looking for an endorsement, but I also really like the green one. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:14:33 PSPBroken.com, hit it up, support my buddy Jamal. Ben, our second priority on message is from Kathleen and it just to Ben and Adam. Message goes like this, you guys have given hours of entertainment for many walks with my dogs, studying for veterinary boards, maternity de-leaves with my kids, and more.
Starting point is 01:14:54 Thanks for being the dick-filled soundtrack of all of life's big and small events. I'm gonna stop the reading right there and just turn to Cameron and be like Kathleen. Are you missing a word there? Is that what you meant to say? You're saying that you left out joke? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:15:17 I mean, in her defense, we also leave out jokes. Sure. In what we do. Message continues, you always make me laugh and genuinely make the world a more fun place to be and congrats to Ben on Baby. Enjoy the ride. Thank you, Kathleen. Ah, what a sweet message.
Starting point is 01:15:36 And boy, congrats on veterinary boards and the kids of your own. That's amazing. Yeah. You've had a very busy couple of years. Doing the important work as a veterinary professional. You and I have encountered many of those over the years. Indeed. And they do great work.
Starting point is 01:15:53 They do. They're very much appreciated. Well, thanks to everyone that got a P1 this week, if you'd like to get a P1, had to maximumfun.org slash jumbo-tron order yours today Hey, Ben what's that Adam? Did you find yourself a drunk Shimoda? Oh boy I'm gonna give it to Mulkei. We recently reviewed an episode of Baywatch on our hit bonus podcast, The Santa Monica Mountains.
Starting point is 01:16:28 And Craig Pomeroy, the lawyer lifeguard, gets beat up at one point in that episode off camera and then they drive him into the town that they're visiting in a Jeep and like push him out of the Jeep and then he's like lying in the dirt and his buddies have to come gather around him. And it's one of those, how fucked up is he?
Starting point is 01:16:49 Is he a dire need of immediate medical attention because he was so weak he couldn't prevent himself from being pushed out of this Jeep, and now he's just lying on the dirt road. And Mulkay, he very much the same vibe here where he's just like lying. He doesn't like radio for help. He doesn't call for backup. He doesn't do anything, but go into this room and then get found lying on the floor.
Starting point is 01:17:16 But then they're like, help him to 6 Bay. And he gets up and walks to 6 Bay with a couple of security guys. How hurt is he or not? They needed to help him better. Okay. Ben, my Shimoda is also okay, he, but the reasons are more simple. Okay.
Starting point is 01:17:37 It's that I just want to give him the respect that this episode does not. Okay. And that is that. Yeah, fair enough. Keep it simple. I like it. Well, Adam, I'm going to head over to the Game of Buttholes,
Starting point is 01:17:54 The Will of the Caretaker at Gach.BizslashGame. Our next episode is season five, episode three, Extreme Risk. In order to retrieve a probe stuck in a hazardous atmosphere. Tom Parris designed a new type of shuttlecraft. Wow, so they're just gonna talk about replacing a shuttlecraft in one episode and the very next episode, they will have replaced it. Yeah, they just go ahead and do it. You know what the big reveal should be? What?
Starting point is 01:18:25 It's a brat with a cover over the bed. Isn't that just a cross trek? Yeah. Well, Adam or Shuttle are, I mean, we're not even a shuttle. It's a runabout. Sure is. That is on square 93 at present. Then do we need to replace the runabout? Do we need to replace it with a brat or something else for Voyager? Man, I mean, we could replace it with a Delta flyer, but there's already a Delta flyer on represented on the board, you know?
Starting point is 01:18:57 What do you talk? I don't know what a Delta flyer is. I'll explain when you're older. Okay. So yeah, I'm gonna go ahead and roll this bone. It looks like the only thing I could hit is a space butthole that would take us to an nth degree extensive research episode, probably the most popular square on the board. People really like the type of research we do when we hit those.
Starting point is 01:19:20 Someone on the internet mentioned that we needed more episodes with no notes. Yeah. I kind of agree. Someone on the internet mentioned that we needed more episodes with no notes. Yeah, I kind of agree. Yeah, the recent episodes of Greatest Trek have made people think that the writing ideas down ahead of time has been our greatest folly over the years. You're required to learn as you play. Roll. The prevailing wisdom is that the show is better when we try less.
Starting point is 01:19:47 I'm gonna go ahead and roll this bone, Adam. And I've hit a three. Chula! Did I win? Putting us on Square 96 regular episode next week. Nice. But we are now tantalizingly close to a more enamored episode.
Starting point is 01:20:08 I'm afraid. It's right there. How about that? Yeah. Very cool. All right. Well, that will just about do it for this episode.
Starting point is 01:20:15 We got some credits, though, right? We got to bore people with some credits. The credits are never boring. This is my parents' favorite part of the show, because they know they can listen to something that they want to hear pretty soon. Ben, I mentioned up top that I was able to professionalize my studio with acoustic treatment.
Starting point is 01:20:34 The only way I was able to do that was because the show is supported financially by those that can afford to do so. Yeah, when I moved a couple of years ago and put up acoustic tiles in my studio, same deal. Like the fact that this show sounds good, that we're recording in spaces that are designed for recording in is 100% something we're able to do
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Starting point is 01:22:43 which is also about cooking, but also about a lot more. He's a really smart and entertaining guy, and the podcast is great. And he weekly listen, proposes to us. One of the greats, making great things. With that, we will be back at you next week with another great episode of Star Trek Voyager and an episode of the greatest generation Voyager
Starting point is 01:23:02 where Adam learns about the birds and the bees, W-slash, R-slash-t, shuttle design. Hmm. Where do new shuttles come from? When a pilot and an engineer love each other very much, Adam. Oh, no. That is going to be a difficult birth for BLT. She's going to have to put the engineering smock back on for a little while.
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