The Greatest Generation - Vaskan Deferenses (VOY S4E23)

Episode Date: October 31, 2022

When an alternate version of history paints Captain Janeway as Dark Karen, Doc Holoday shows up centuries later to set the record straight. But when the narrative gets flipped and Daleth turns out to be the asshole, an angry mob trashes the Museum of Kyrian Heritage in protest. What’s the next step after the combadge comes off? Which profession has the driest bits? What’s the most dangerous kind of banger? It’s the episode in leather gloves and a black turtleneck!Support the production of The Greatest Generation.Friends of DeSoto for Democracy.Friends of DeSoto for Justice. Follow The Game of Buttholes: The Will of the Caretaker!Music by Adam Ragusea & Dark MateriaFollow The Greatest Generation on Twitter, and discuss the show using the hashtag #GreatestGen!The Greatest Generation is on Twitch.Facebook group | Subreddit | Discord | WikiSign up for our mailing list!

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Welcome to the greatest generation It's a Star Trek podcast by a couple of guys Just a little bit embarrassed about heaven A Star Trek podcast I'm Adam Pranica I'm Ben Harrison Happy Halloween Ben Oh is it Halloween? Is this the... is this our... uh...

Our spooktacular? We Is this our spooktacular? We've got a spocktacular. Yeah, you've heard the special theme song. Oh, with the rattling chains and the moment ghouls. Yeah, that's all you have to do to make a special Halloween theme song. You just, like, whatever the sound smoke makes. Yeah, yeah.

Some of that, and there's probably some thunder, right? Oh, wolf in the distance That's probably what the wolf sounds like right that's going like whoo hubba hubba and Looking at slips because we're such sexy Podcasters that's where the wolf whistle comes from right? Yeah, yeah I get even whistle. I can't whistle on cue. It's all the scary sound effects of the one horny cartoon wolf. Yeah. Horny wolf kind of ruined it for all wolves, didn't he? Yeah. Yeah. Because not all wolves, I think we can all agree. Mm-hmm. Most wolves are vicious. Did I ever tell you my wolf story? No. You didn't. I'm just delighted that you have a wolf story. I would do a

very like progressive high school, very like interested in ecology and being good stewards of the earth kind of vibe to this place. You know what I'd say. And for like a morning, you know, symposium one time, they brought like a wolf conservation expert who brought a wolf. Wow. And they didn't tell anybody that this was happening. So it like, you know, like, you don't know

if it's gonna be a morning meeting or a morning symposium, you know, it's just like, I think it was like two different times per week we had one or the other. Usually it was morning meeting, but we filed in. I happened to get a front row seat for this. Pretty good chance at the school you went to that it could be a symposium. You never know. And what do you know, I got a front row seat like three feet from where the wolf was going to be. And a wolf is a bit like a rifle. Like if you've ever seen like somebody

like a soldier with an M16, it's very like, it's very arresting because you're like, that is a device that exists for the purpose of killing people. And that is like very much the feeling you get when you look at a wolf. And they're like, this is a friendly wolf and they talk to us about like how important it was. But the wolf's like openly flirting

with your classmates and stuff, just being a real sleaze about it. Yeah, yeah, it bore its chest and a heart palpitated out of it. It dropped its jaw and its tongue unrolled. Oh yeah, the tongue trick. The wolves are very good at kind of lingus. It's a babe and got out of fork and a knife. But it was a rainy day.

They told us like, hey, just as you're leaving the main hall, we're going to have the wolf out there on the north lawn to do its wolf business. Please do not open an umbrella. That is like the one that this is a very tame wolf, a very people friendly wolf. An umbrella will set this wolf off. And inevitably a friend of mine was walking up to the library for a class and she opened her umbrella. And I watched that. Why did she do that? She did because she was a fucking high school kid and she wasn't paying a ton of attention in the wolf class that we didn't know

We were gonna have that morning. You know what? I this is gonna sound so ugly out of context But was she kind of asking for it? Well, yeah What happened was the wolf started moving assertively toward her in a way where the wolf handler was digging her heels in and sliding across the lawn. And like, close the umbrella. Shoot her! Nothing happened, the umbrella got closed. It wasn't even like really rainy enough to justify opening one.

Now that's the worst part. And I know that like, as a most of your life, Seattle men, you know that. Very few Seattleites own umbrellas. There's almost no scenario. A Seattleite would call a justification to use an umbrella. But this was even a stretch by Northern California standards.

And yeah, like nothing happened. But yeah, like it's one of those things where it's really stuck with me every time I hear a in-flight safety announcement or something like that. Like I'm not really looking for the closest exit to my seat. And I know that just my friend in high school, when the fucking plane goes down into the drink

and we need to make an emergency exit I'm gonna be the one that's like fuck I wasn't really paying attention You're gonna be heading to the exit not closest to you, Ben. Yeah, I'm like a fool like a fucking idiot But yeah, like I think about it all the time You know die in a pool of airplane gas Sorry buddy fortunately for me airplane fuel can't melt bones. I think we can be sure about that. Wow. Close encounter with a wolf. Yeah. Yeah. Good story. Yeah. Damn.

A wolf. I don't know. Wait, why did that come up? I can't even remember. Oh, because it's Halloween and we're talking about scary wolves. Yeah, yeah. I don't have anything as scary as that, but that's a pretty good man. Have you ever, you never met a wolf? Never met one. I mean, you and I met coyotes in LA. That's true.

Yeah, we've had close coyote encounters. Wolves are enormous. Yeah, they're really a different thing. Like if you see a wolf, it really makes you think a coyote is not a threat, which is wrong. A coyote is very dangerous. Yeah. They'll all fuck you up.

Yeah. Human beings are very fragile creatures. Mm-hmm. My dog is convinced he could take a coyote. Anytime I take him on a hike in one of our many LA hiking trails and he sees a yout. He tries to pick the fight that would be his last, you know. My beloved dog Ripley is still focused on squirrels as her as her main enemy in life.

Size appropriate. Yeah. Yeah. I think a squirrel would probably fuck her up. She's all very annoying park and very few bites. That's not my experience. She's a play-biter. Yeah. Bite says love. That's what Ripley says. Well, Adam, do you want to get into a terrifying haunting episode of Star Trek Voyager? Very spooky, Ben. It's Star Trek Voyager season 4, episode 23, Living Witness. Reaver course. Unless you've got something a little bigger in your torpedo toots, I'm not turning around. Tim Ruzz's first and only directed episode.

This was such a catastrophic failure that they never let him direct another. It's funny, Tim Russ was like, I went to start track directing school. I waited in the queue for my turn. Yeah. I did the thing. I got a weird episode. I got a weird episode. I did a good job and that's it. Like, I'm good. I know I got a weird episode. I did a good job.

And that's it. Like, I'm good. I know what it's like now. That's all. And I respect it. I do too. You know, like it is a cliche in Hollywood of somebody saying what I really want to do is direct. Directing is fucking hard and stressful. And if you're also acting in the thing, I can imagine a lot of people finding it very

distasteful to have to do both in a week. My main thing is trying to reduce the amount of things I think about. And as I get older, I'm more rattled by how many there are. And that's what directing is. Directing is thinking about every single thing. Yeah, yeah. It's adding an infinite number of to-do items to your checklist. Yeah.

Our cold open is a Janeways log, and it looks a little different than we're used to seeing. This log comes with leather. Yeah. Leather gloves and a tightly- shorn haircut by Janeway. This is I think her fourth different haircut this season. She's got some moose in there. Yeah. She's giving herself some some upward volume on like the last couple episodes.

A little bit of a can I speak to your manager kind of look to the hairstyle I'd say. I speak to your manager, kind of look to the hairstyle, I'd say. Yeah, this is dark Karen, and she is talking about her sort of philosophy of when to apply violence. And she turns around, she's in a black turtle neck, no compage on the uniform. And I was like, wow, that is all it takes to make a Starfleet uniform look very scary. We often see the Starfleets resign their commission by setting the combat on the desk. And they're often talked out of this, right?

Yeah. Like, put it back on, man. You don't want to do that because as soon as you walk out that door, the leather gloves get put on and you get a haircut. And it should get real dark. We often don't see the next step, but this is the next step. It's gloves and a haircut. This would sharpen you up and make you ready

for the bit of the old ultraviolence. Talking to this dude who wants her to kill curians. And he's like, you know, we know you can do it because you're the ship of death. Your reputation in this quadrant precedes you. And they're brokering a deal, right? It's like, you kill all these baddies for us. We are going to show you where a special wormhole is

that will take a lot of time off of your journey. It's a wormhole for murder. And this seems like a great deal for this version of Janeway. She leaps at the opportunity to take him up on this trade. She does. Nothing more tempting. I mean, there is a little bit of back and forth

about like, so we're gonna risk our lives to kill your enemies. Yeah. But that's a negotiating ploy, right? Like I think we see in a little bit how much she relishes the killing. There's coffee in that violence. Right.

Because if she was really worried about it, I think she would wanna like see something that would be some sort of satisfactory proof that this wormhole is real. Yeah. It's a pretty fantastic claim. Like, oh yeah, I got like a million bucks in a seat case in my trunk.

Yeah. You don't need to see it. The banger interrupts this negotiation. And on the bridge, we see some people in some different places that we're used to. We see some aliens that we aren't used to seeing. Nielix is at ops.

Yeah. There's a case on officer with a rifle, and everyone is wearing these leather gloves. You don't see any bare hands this entire episode. I mean, that would be unseemly, Adam. Yeah. Actually, I think you do see one bare hand because Janeway is doing that thing where she takes off a glove and like slaps it into her palm, which is, I don't know why villains are always doing that. Like a beguiled villain loves to take one glove off and like, smack their

palm with the empty glove, right? Say what you will about the nightmare that this ship has become in this version of time. But not many people are getting sick from touching surfaces in this timeline. So there are some positives. Yeah, but these are people that are pro-gloved, but anti-mask, interesting. Yeah. They rejected the mask mandates.

Right. These are the kirions that have dropped bangers on Voyager, and they are the sworn enemy to dayless people. Yeah, they talk about how they're going to attack this planet and they are the sworn enemy to dayless people. Yeah, they talk about how they're going to attack this planet and they refer down to the doctor. And when we cut down to Six Bay, we see the doctor's head has like soon-type data parts in it

and he's all plugged into stuff and he's got weird eyes. He looks like an Android. Yeah, he looks like someone who's walked around the ship not wearing gloves, touching surfaces and then got weird eyes. He looks like an Android. Yeah. He looks like someone who's walked around the ship not wearing gloves, touching surfaces, and then touching his eyes. Yeah. It's very painful. That's not what you want.

He should serve as a lesson to all of them. Yeah. Chaco Tay has a much bigger face tattoo. Yeah. Yeah, I heard they were going to cancel Chaco Tay. Hmm. Not a lot of people are going to miss it though, I don't think. Yeah. Was that a product of the uh, company that makes Klondike bars? Yeah, I think so. I mean, I wouldn't miss Klondike bars either. What would I do for a Klondike bar? Fucking nothing. Give me an it's it any day of the week.

I'd turn around and walk away. Daleth is shocked at how things seem to be escalating here. He was just here to do a simple deal, but like Janeway wants to use biogenic weapons and a kind of shock and awe strategy to end this war. Yeah, this is gonna kill hundreds of thousands and Dale's is like, kind of not what we were asking for, like, I want them defeated, but this is genocide.

Defeat genocide. My crib was semantics. This is a real over-deliver on an under promise in a way that we're not actually cool with, but it's too late. Janeway is pot committed and the doctor has plugged into the phaser array and we cut to the exterior of the ship and it looks like a redress of the Voyager inspired by that rifle that Gynon keeps behind the bar and tend forward.

Yeah. It's all nubby and terrifying looking. Yeah, it looks like the sort of ship if you were to rub up against it, you'd be wounded. It would hurt badly. Yeah. They shoot these biogenic weapons via the phasers down at the surface of the planet. And they also like lock up Daelith. Whose fault is this really? I mean, it's, Daelus. Who's Fart is this really?

I mean, it's not Daelus, Fart. Daelus didn't want Geneside. I can relate, you know, sometimes you get the process of a Geneside started before you really thought through the ramifications, and then you live a life of regret. Sort of a Geneside snowball. One thing start going before you know it, all of the genish-edge snowball. One thing's start going before you know it. All of the Hooshnucker did. Oopsies.

There was no brig to fit me or make rain. We cut to a man working a display in a kind of museum setting and they're watching Voyager do this to the planet. And he's starting to talk about what this is. There's kind of a record scratch. Yeah. You're probably wondering how Voyager got into the situation.

We're in a museum, Adam. It's 700 years later. Pre the burn. I know I was thinking so much about that. Like how much do you have to be careful if you start to like discovery about this specific episode? I think very. Yeah.

It would have been fun if some kairians or whatever had been part of the big like diplomatic conference in, you know, they were trying to decide what to do with the DMA. What is this thing? What DMA? It would have been crazy to have run into the dock at some point M.A. What is this in War D? M.A. It would have been crazy to have run into the doc at some point too in his little shuttle on the way home. Yeah.

Oh, hey, don't mind me. Just looking for my friends. Like, give it a post credit sequence where it's just the doc cruising around. Maybe he doesn't even interact with anyone. No. Yeah. Now he's just like, huh, interesting. I noticed that, uh, what was the, what was the mineral that they were looking for that the DMA was looking for?

Oranite. Oh, geez. Oranite. Of course. I don't fucking remember. Yeah, me neither. Uh. Ha, ha, ha.

Look it up. Or watch that season of discovery. Yeah, yeah. That is not what the show is about. No, it's not. We didn't have enough Boronite or left to synthesize more. These aliens, man, the curians. They look like if Bedurans just had the loaf dobed on but not sculpted, it's just like

a little smushig crap on their face, but it doesn't really look like anything. They look like they've got tonsil stones in between their eyes. I was horrified. Oh God, it's got a smell so bad in that museum. All I wanted to do is stick a cute tip back there and push it out. Mm-hmm. Yuck.

Yeah, yeah. Oh man, they call themselves the curians. Everyone else calls them the halitocens. Yeah. Uncle, this is laughter. You're right. them the halitocens. Yeah. I'm going to be talking to you. You're going to be talking to me. Don't be careful. Because I'm going to see this once.

Ben were in a museum, which means we've got a docent here. And our docent for the episode is named Quarren. And he tells a tour group what happened to their people 700 years ago. Quarren played by Jadann of the Drumhead fame. I know. I take injections, everyone knows that. Nice to have him back. Yeah.

Welcome back, Henry Warren Itz. Yeah, the suffering of the Kirin people has continued to this day. This is the thing they look back on, the voyage or incident as being kind of the moment that their fortunes changed. And this is sort of a, almost like a Holocaust museum in a way, like when you think about it, this is a museum that is about the horrible crimes

that were visited on their people. This is something that I feel like lower decks would have really leaned in on, pretty hard in terms of like the way a museum works. Right. And all that, there's less of that going on here. I mean, absent the Q&A portion of the presentation that we get next. Yeah, I mean, this is a Star Trek trope, right? Like the museum showing a video of unspeakable violence.

Yeah. Why are they showing a whale being butchered? They don't even know what whales are. There are some vaskins, the type of alien that Tedran is. Also on this museum tour. Couple of them take some umbridge with the way the story is being told. They don't want critical Curian theory taught in schools.

They don't want their kids knowing about this stuff. Like a nice background acting this episode in terms of that kind of conflict, I think. Yeah, and you start to understand that the Curians and the Vaskids like cohabit this planet or several planets, but the Curians are sort of are somewhat marginalized community relatively speaking. And this is a way of talking to all members of this society about what factors led to that.

Right. It's interesting because it's not super condemnatory of Daelith as a character. Daelith seems like he sort of got in over his head and did something like that wound up being horrible for the curians primarily, but not because he like set out to be as evil as the Voyager wound up being. Right. There are some questions that like people have it a flight museum basically like how big was the Voyager and how many people were on it or whatever.

And the dosen rightly is like, why don't we watch more footage instead of trying to answer your stupid questions. And then the footage we catch back up with the genocide in progress, this thing that they've attacked the planet with has only killed 3,000. And Janeway is pretty let down by this number, to be honest. Yeah, it's not great. Down in a lab, Chaco Tay and Kim are torturing a dude to try and find where this dude Tedrin is. Tedrin is a curian that they're looking for. They hold a Q-tip up to the side of his nose and they're like, I'll push it out, man.

I will do it. I won't even get super close up video of it and put it on Reddit. And he's like, no, no! Yeah. Boy, Chico T's tattoo. Yeah. Bears mentioning.

Really go toe-to-toe with Q's tattoo in that one episode. Yeah, it mentioning. Really go toe to toe with cues tattoo in that one episode. Yeah, it's enormous. Mine's bigger. Claims to still be a man of peace and enlightened man, but but he rolls with these beasts. It looks like he got into Kim's hair gel here too. Yeah, yeah, he's gone back to the Caesar look. Kim is getting ready to like hit this dude with a pipe and the doctor intervenes and says like, no, like that's too brutal away of torturing. I remind you, he must still be able to speak. What I'm going to do is inject this guy with something that dissolves his ocular nerves.

Yeah. And it is painful if you're wondering. Yeah. I mean, he says that the cerebral cortex will ultimately liquefy. Yeah, that sounds bad too. That's how they get this guy to give up Tedron's position. It looks like there's agonizer boost

in the background of the scene. Like, why do not, they just throw them in there. Did you see those? If you have an agonizer, why not use it? I know. Or was that their sport drive? Yeah, it's hard to say. I don't know.

All of this is bad history, you know, like speculation by historians based on imperfect artifacts. We will come to find out. What makes this scene even worse is that the doc has two hypospraise and one of them has like a red ring and one of them has like a red ring and one of them has a blue ring. He gave him the rectal eye toxins, didn't he, Pen? Oh, God damn.

It's really a shame. I mean, I guess kind of intentional, right? Yeah, I mean, I guess that makes it worse. That's more, more agonizing, isn't it? Like not only are my eyes burning out, Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I guess that makes it worse. That's more, more agonizing, isn't it? Like, not only are my eyes burning out, but that hyposprave was meant for a butt. You bastards. Loosing my eyesight is one thing. The indignity of this is another.

Up on the bridge, Chaco Tay comes with the info about where they can find Tedron. And the captain is not like super thrilled that this information was extracted under torture. You can't trust information. You torture out of people. Yeah. People will tell you whatever it takes

to make the pain go away. And that's the only reason torture is bad. You never stop to think about why you might have been glitterbonded pain go away. And that's the only reason torture is bad. You ever stop to think about why you might have been glitter bomb to men? Maybe some out of context statement. Yeah, yeah, this isn't Janeway's problem, though, like no matter how the information was extracted, she's like, all right, check out a or however I pronounce your name, taking a salt team down No matter how the information was extracted, she's like, all right, check out A, or however I pronounce your name.

Take an assault team down and pick up this guy. Yeah, kind of weird. Like that's sort of how they pronounced his name in the first half of season one, I feel like. Yeah, it's a nice throwback, isn't it? Yeah, some of the historicity of this stuff is actually pretty good. Yeah.

The Kirions managed to beam a board. The Voyager is boarded in the engine room, and this is when they pull out one of their most devious tricks. Computer, initiate the Borg activation sequence. They've got domesticated borgs on the ship. It's not just seven of nine. She's got a bunch of borgs with her. Yeah. Like attack borgs.

Yeah. And Janeway orders them to attack the guys who beamed in there and assimilate the survivors. Yeah. It's scary as hell. Yeah. So you multiply the borgs with your knees. And they're like really doing like dramatic,

like action movie borgs shit. Yeah. Yeah. You see the Dracula tubules go in. Yeah. Janeways like, yeah, go ahead and assimilate as many as you want. Those those can be part of a team attack board. If you like. Yeah, I mean, they're your problem now. They've nabbed Tedron. They're heading back to Voyager. It's pretty exciting stuff. They take him to the Mess Hall, which I guess isn't the Mess Hall anymore. And I wanted to know about this version of Voyager history. Like, are they? Yeah. I get a question about the simulation

we're watching. Really dig all the gloves and tattoos by the way. My question is this, where are these guys eat? They shot that guy in the middle of the mess hall but there are no tables there. There are no kitchen implements in that room. Are we supposed to believe that they all eat privately in their quarters? Is this a future that presupposes that they're beaming the poops out, but they're also beaming the food in? And how simultaneously is that arrangement? I'm going to go be a hotdog into my mouth.

Get a life. Tedron winds up being a pretty plain dude. He's just like our bone stock white guy with a little bit of loaf on his face. You know how there's the scene in the war movie where like the guy refuses to surrender, but it is the form of refusal that Is like spitting in someone's face and double middle fingering their way to death Tedron is a guy who is like a door-to-door salesman who gets politely declined at the doorstep Yeah, and then gets shot in the back for it. Yeah, he's he is like the member of the Church of Latter-day Saints on mission who sees the Mississa on the door. Yeah. Just turns around.

I only ever want to do it. Perfect, black. Make it yourself. I'm trying to help you see this as an opportunity to grow. Make it yourself. What do you make of Janeway personally executing this guy and his associate? Pretty hardcore. Pretty brutal to see. You always wondered like what goes into the decision of what the phasor's effect is gonna look like because this is not phasor set to go

or even phasor set to vaporize. It's just phasor set to like face plant. You don't see the beam going in either. Like it's obscured by the birdie. So we got out of an effect shot there. Yeah. That's good. I mean, there's a little glow, right?

Isn't there a little glow? Yeah, but that's practical glow, right? Can't you just, you got a person on a light switch, making that happen? I think that that was an effects glow. You think? Yeah, I think that that was an effects glow. You think? Yeah, I think they pulled out after effects for that one glow. My love of practical effects is the reason for that suspicion.

Yeah, well, you know. That's a projection, Ben. That's probably why Tim Russ didn't get invited back. Yeah, like really, you didn't go practical for that? Are you kidding me? So she ISIS these two characters and the camera pans over and one of the windows at the mess hall just like looks into the museum.

Yeah. And Gordon is like still leading the tour. It's like the ride in the at the beginning of Jurassic Park. Hold on a minute. I really tried to figure out whose decision this was visually because I think it's a really elegant way to do these transitions. And I'm just going to blame Tim Russ. I think this is a great idea. Yeah. I mean, I think that that is a director choice, right? I think so too. Yeah. So that's sort of the end of the of the Voyager encounter. After that, things just got real bad for centuries for his people.

So exit to the gift shop. Maybe pick up some $20 novelty leather gloves of plus you Janeway. $50 Jim bag. Wonder why this Jim bag cost this much. Any enormous face tattoo, like too big for a kid. What kind of kid with a giant face is gonna have this temporary tattoo on them?

And it doesn't feel like a weird and uncomfortable cultural appropriation when it's like the people that genocide at you to wear their tattoo. I mean, maybe distasteful. Outside of the context of a Halloween party, you know, like if the picture ever gets out, it might fuck with your ability to win public office. Like did you think that that was a fun costume to put on?

I mean, are you suggesting like a quad box apology might be the next step after pictures are released of a comically large, like an adult-sized face tattoo on a child's face. Yeah, yeah, I think so. All right. I mean, a child doesn't know any better? No, but still. It's still a bad look.

One of the exhibits in this museum is a torpedo casing from Voyager, which based on their rarity, I mean, this is like an Argyle card. Yeah, yeah. That is the natural yager of Voyager artifacts. And the guy's like, like, this is a museum that does not put velvet ropes around the priceless artifacts.

Like, I like that. Museum patron just like elbow deep in this thing. And he's like, Hey, yeah, that's actually a 25 megaton weapon. Could take out a whole city. I love that the Docent does a bit here on this guy because Docent bits are the driest bits, aren't they? They really are.

Mega dry. You put Docent bits inside a bag of beef jerky, so it doesn't get gross. That's how dry a docent bit is. Yeah, the desiccant of bits. The gift shop at this museum does swift business and chapstick because everybody's so dry on the way out. That's what she says.

Oh, man, there's a vaskin' truth are there. And this guy takes great umbridge with the stories being told in this museum. Yeah. Some of his best friends are curians. Yeah. Important to know that. I don't have a problem with your species.

He doesn't like the implications that he has any personal responsibility for the oppression of the curian people. Yeah. And he puts a tough question to Quarantine, he's like, so you've got like more artifacts to explore that have data in them. What are you going to do if some of the data contradicts some of the lies that you're pushing here?

And Quarantine is like, well, if we find that, we will reevaluate and adapt our understanding of the truth. A noble scientific stance that he takes there. I wish we hung on just for a moment with this guy in the aftermath of this answer. When he's like, fuck that. Your facts aren't going to get in the way of my beliefs. Yeah. Yeah. Later that night, Koran has the museum to himself and...

God, you know he's jacked it all over the place in there, right? Yeah, just... Museum after dark. The fucking black light images of this museum are deeply troubling. Just sitting cross-legged on the torpedo casing. It's like a bird of rarest spun heaven metal. It's like an episode of Inside Edition. It's really bad.

Yeah. I loved that the simulation that they're looking through the window is in fact the holodeck. They're not like looking at a video that they've recreated. They're looking through a window into a holodeck. It's so fun. I love these transitions. He goes in there and he's now in Voyager's engine room, like engine room after dark,

all the lights are dim, sort of lit by the warp core. And he's doing the thing of a scientist like talking to his tape recorder while he does the science. And the thing he is messing with, he realizes is a uh, optronic data stream. It's a, it's a hologram in there. Yeah. What could it be, Adam? It's what eye doctors use. Hmm. Did you go see an eye doctor? I didn't know. Oh man.

Either did I. The thing puffs in the docents face. It's like, ah. puffs in the docents face. It's like, ah. And then just like a out of a replicator materializes those weird sunglasses that they give you. There was Voyager bastards. I'm going to have blurry vision for two and a half to three hours. Damn it. I didn't arrange for a ride home.

I'm gonna have to call an Uber, but then I'm gonna have to come back here in an Uber tomorrow to pick up my car. Fuck! Oh, this is going to be it! How the fuck am I gonna pay the parking meter? It's a two hour time limit, it's fucking 4 p.m. And 8 p.m. do I have to stick around here? Sit in a coffee shop and not be able to read a book even?

Faa! Ben. Ben. Ben. You're really an artist with that bit. The doc appears and he appears with his traditional opening line. The dosen puts in a red baron pizza and the microwave and the doc appears running like a fighter jacket.

Please take the nature of the medical emergency. Oh, man. This is great. Initially, totally stunned to be in engineering without his mobile emitter. Then he sees that he's alone with Akirian and alerts the bridge that they have an intruder. He is freaked out by the Kirion in a way that you, you know, based on your knowledge

of Kirions generally. Yeah. Seems a little unusual. Like, he needs some distance between him and this guy. Yeah, it's like, you know, I mean, you, you hear about the oppression of Kirions, but we also need to understand is that we've been trained through years of media bias to fear curians. When the doc crosses the street to pass, the curian dosen, I mean, it's very troubling. This really makes you sad. Yeah. Yeah. And like the dosen has to go through life wondering if people are actually crossing the street or if they just had business on that side of the street, right? Right. Yeah. A lot of this stuff is subtle. It's true. Microaggressions even.

How the aggressions, if you will. The dose and tries to get through to the doc, explaining what day it is and the doc doesn't believe it. And the doc is finally like, well, if it truly is the year that you're saying it is, what happened to voyage or in the crew? The understanding that they're long dead by hundreds of years. If there's one main criticism I have about this episode, is that like moments like these could really punch you in the heart.

But unfortunately, the doc is incapable because he's a hologram of truly feeling the depth of that knowledge. Yeah. But also by virtue of the pace of the plot, he's not given a moment to really consider that fully in a way that might make you feel something. Just we have a ton of episodes left to get through. And yeah, this does not feel like Ripley finding out her daughter is dead. It's a moment for sure, but we're past it pretty quickly.

And Quarren is like, oh shit, like we totally thought you were in Android and he's like, no, I'm obviously a hologram. And Quarren is realizing that like some of the conclusions that they had come to about this event 700 years in the past. We're not entirely accurate, but he's like, yeah, so like you probably need to start writing your defense because you're not exactly a historical specimen. You're really more of a defendant. There are other issues to be resolved. What kind of issues? Uh oh, yeah, cause like the doctor was the dude

that did the biogenic weapons. He's like the men, mengal of the story in the curated version of the history. The doctor's like, what are you talking about? And the docent is like, well, we are in a museum and we can watch the program. Yeah. And so they do. Get the, get the, get the, get the, do it, do it. Do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it bio weapons, right? And this is a meeting that is way more action-packed than McLaughlin groups usually are.

Yeah, this is a version of history where the McQueen's form of controlling the lower ranks held a lot more sway on Voyager. Yeah, and so there's a lot of punching and kicking and scuffles. Yeah, if Eleanor Clip punched Pat Buchanan in the face over and over again. I would tune in for that. That's the version of the McLaughlin group this is.

Yeah, my living room would look like an episode of Inside Edition if Eleanor Clip routinely punched Pat Buchanan in the face. Very jack-able. The doc has some notes about this version of events. Pure fiction. Mrs. Obser. Yeah, like why would Janeway break up a fight by shooting her face at her own computer screen?

Yeah. That's just stupid. Who does that? Yeah, it's like throwing her remote at the TV. Like, look at you. Now you need to get a new TV. She always did herself on her own, Patard. It was just a baseball game.

And, you know, like, I'm not this, like, mustache twirling Android villain that I'm depicted as. This is fucking bullshit. I'm a nice guy. I'm a bit prickly. Sure. Sure, but look at my eyes. They look nothing like that. Yeah. They're like, like, but look at my eyes. They look nothing like that. Yeah. They're like like soulless gray eyes. They're nice looking. Beautiful peepers. What are my best qualities?

The doc can tell the dosen that the kirions were aggressors, but the dosen really isn't trying to hear this. Yeah. He basically shuts him down. He's like, you know, like I'll show you what really happened. And we get to the scene where Janeway wastes Tedron. And we're actually standing in the room for this at this point. And I love the line about Janeway

halfway across the galaxy rolling in her grave Such a lured depiction of Janeway like it really does not sit well with the doc. It's not a fan It's actually a two-person coffin me and Tom Mervins Chico Tee was buried separately in a bathtub. No one knows why. It was a very full coffin. Me and Tom Mervins and our many, many dogs. The dogs were buried in the coffin first.

And then subsequent dogs were put into the coffin later when it was exhumed. Over and over again. Finally, we had to switch to a larger coffin to accommodate all of the dogs over the many, many decades that we live. Is this another love me, love my dog demand? Yes. How could I ever refuse you? Thanks, honey. Many people criticized us for having

two Egyptian of a burial plan. What? What? What? What? criticized us for having two Egyptian of a burial plan. He imagined going to a funeral and like me and you are at a funeral and I'm like elbowed you and I'm like, man, this is really Egyptian, isn't it? This is way to Egyptian, Ben. Yeah. Who the hell is this guy? It's kind of uncomfortably Egyptian, I would say.

I barely knew him. So the doctor is really like putting up a fight. Like this is not the way it was. The Vaskins and us were doing like a pretty tame trade agreement and Lakerians attacked us. And Goren is like, I'm not trying to hear this, man. You could say that there are vaskin differences between the different versions of events. Yeah, not to be confused with vaskedeference, which is a different thing. I mean, that's even more different.

Yeah. But yeah. So when he's to get it in the circuit to this computer That's even more different. But yeah. So when he's to get it in the circuit to this computer with a soldering iron and, yeah, we want some stuff. Goren does not want to hear, but Tedron was a bad guy.

No, I mean, that version of Tedron was cool as hell, right? Definitely need to preserve that fucking hero statement. So he just kind of like slams the phone on the doctor, right? Definitely need to preserve that fucking hero statement. And so he just kind of like slams the phone on the doctor, right? He like shuts the program off without asking. Yeah, you hate to see it. Very mean. Yeah. Very childish too, you know? He doesn't look good doing this. Like I don't and like the uncomfortable truth about my history. I'm not listening anymore. This Dosen, I think, could use a little bit of a break, but he's basically living at the museum right now. Yeah. And later on, he records his log where he sort of admits

that, you know, I think the doc is telling the truth. In some areas, it's just weird that they would have a doctor that would be so good at lying. Yeah. For what reason? Yeah. It may just be that some of my longest-held beliefs might be in dispute. What am I to do about that new information?

Yeah. There's two paths at that point. There's the Tulsi Gabbard path and the more honorable path that this guy takes. The Docent looks up at the wall and the camera tracks up and it's January 5th. Oh no! No. So the doctor in talking to him said, like, if we could find the medical tricorder that I used in some of these scenes,

like I could corroborate some of my story by getting at the data inside it, assuming it survived. And the dosons, like, does the tricorder you're looking for have a blue band or a red band? And what does that mean also, because I put both of them in my mouth all the time. I'm the dosant, I can do that. I have a sort of like puppy, slag, baby way of exploring the world. Like I like the taste things to get a sense of them first. Uh huh. The red one is pecan.

Yeah. Got a lot more flavor to it, you know? Like that French guy that ate a bicycle and said that the chain was the best part. I'm willing to keep an open mind. That's the most I can promise. So the next day he goes and gets the tricorder, which is like, man, like your priceless relic just sitting out on a table in the middle of the museum

for anybody to walk away with. Wildly trusting culture. This is like a children's museum, right? That invites you to touch. Yeah. This is like the tank of eels or whatever. But like, that's the day of a children's museum, right? That invites you to touch. Yeah. This is like the tank of eels or whatever. But like, that's the day of a children's museum, right? But like, when you've got Vaskin's routinely coming into the museum

and like yelling at you for telling a version of history that they find uncomfortable, I don't, like, not Larry David, like putting on a pair of shoes at the Holocaust Museum and wearing them out. They really know how to make a shoe back then. Yeah, well, they had cobblers. Yeah.

You got to be concerned that somebody might be trying to erase this, especially based on what happens later. Right. But he takes this tricorder into the simulation, boots the doctor back up, and they get to work on it. Inside the Voyager Encounter program, the doc and the doc have kind of a heated argument about what really happened and what might happen next to the doc.

Yeah, and the doc wants to do his version of the program. He's like, let me show you the way I remember it, and you tell me like what you think. We cut to the program that the doc has created, and he's not wearing pants, like ever. And his dick is really impressive. I'm quite adept at the art of holographic programming. It is like end of Boogie Night's holy shit.

That's what the big deal is. I get it. It's so big, dude. I get why people were paying him 10 bucks. I'm a big bright shining star. It's incredible. It's not quite a fire extinguisher. It's like a fire extinguisher you'd find in a race car under a seat, you know? Right. Yeah. Or like in the overhead compartment on an airplane. Yeah. Yeah, that's it exactly. They're in the captain's ready room and she's making this deal with the Vaskin Ambassador guy.

Hey Ben, the gloves are off in this simulation, huh? Mm, yeah, yeah. It's a bare knuckle simulation. And the deal is not like we'll show you our space, but her, if you kill our enemies, it's, we'll give you a bunch of dilithium if you give us some medical supplies. They're just, the vascular just want medical supplies

from a voyager. It is a boring ass trade deal. Yeah, it's like fuel for ibuprofen. Yeah. The doctor knows about this exchange because he has been asked by the captain to prepare the medical supplies. And so he's done that.

He's got the supplies ready to go and cargo by one. But there's a banger that gets dropped on the ship. And that is the attack of the curians. And they're being fired on and The curians are not responding and this is just like a totally unprovoked attack I like the canonically the curians weapons work just as well as we know them to and that they can beam through shields Because they've boarded the Voyager and they're an engineering. Yeah, and Bad Tedron is like taking seven hostage and he takes engineers hostage.

Yeah. This is a bad deal for everyone. Yeah. Right. Got tickets that lock them. Get that old, better large, rich here. I got tickets that lock them. What's not? Are you selling a host? God.

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Yeah. It's after hours, you know? Cause Janeway, Daleth and the doc have tracked the intruders down to there. Yeah. The doc goes in first in order to draw some fire, which does not come, but this does impress Daleth for how heroic he is. And that was one moment where I wondered if the doc had like written that line for himself. Yeah.

Well, ego boost in his own version of history. That's big fun. God, you think things are going to wrap up here with no more bloodshed, because when Tedren's down, you think that danger's effectively over, but then Daelith shoots him when he's down and you're like, oh God. What the fuck, Daelith?

What are you doing, Daelith? Yeah. Daelith seems like sort of a hapless guy that got in with a bad crowd in the other version of history. In this version of history, Dailiff seems like a real fucking asshole. We wouldn't need help if we wanted to destroy you.

Yeah, I didn't think he had it in him. Yeah, it's bad stuff. Tedron has killed the doc scans him with the medical tricorder. He's like, yeah, sorry, nothing I can do. Yeah. The thing about when Kirin dies, is their tautel stones just kind of fall out under the ground.

And everybody's like, oh, god. They do that thing instead of like when you wave your hand over their face and their eyes closed, you wave your hand over their face and the tautel stones fall out. And then their family members keep the tontal stones. It's kind of a memento. And post a video of them coming out to Reddit. Yeah. Very entertaining.

Yeah. And he's like, why do we even go on Reddit? The doc continues to give background to the story, which is great because we realize that this is a simulation that's being attended by another tour group, but it's no ordinary tour group. It's like a tour group of politicians, right? Government officials are something.

Yeah. There's members of both species in this tour group, and the lady Hallitose feels that she is there purely as sort of an act of tokenism. Please, this isn't about race. It's always about race. It's always about race. But the Vaskin, dude, is very interested in hearing this

because it does go a long way to redeeming some of the horrible stories people tell about his people. So he's like, yeah, I'm really into this line of research. We should keep looking into this. Things come to a point with the information on the tricorder. Like if they can prove what kind of weapon killed Tendrin, this name is Tedrin, right?

Tedrin, yeah. They probably call him Ted, around the office. Right, Tedy to his friends. If it was a Vaskin weapon that killed Tedrin or a Kirin weapon that killed Tedrin, that's pretty crucial information in this conflict. It really is. And, you know, it'll help them understand

what role voyage are played and understand the origins of this conflict more fully. And the Hallitose lady is like, I think instead of doing this, we should arrest this fucking doctor and charge him with work crimes because he has a work criminal! He hooked those houses into his head and then shoot a fessor, boom done on our planet and kill hundreds of thousands of people! Why are we listening to his story?

Hello. This like giving Joseph Mengele a budget to make his own film. Why would we do that? This lady's pissed. And it appears that she and the lead arbiter on the other side are at historical erasure heads. Okay, but the lead arbiter on the other side are at historical erasure heads. Okay, Paul. But the lead arbiter gets the final say because his people are in a slightly higher esteem, culturally speaking. Yeah, kind of proving the point of her tokenism.

Yes, really, really does. Yeah. So they get to work on decoding this tri-quarter, and they're working on unlocking the secrets that it holds. They have an interesting conversation about BLT who has notably not appeared in the simulation because presumably Roxanne Dawson was on family leave, but this is when bangers start getting dropped, not on the simulated Voyager. Now, but on the museum itself.

Museum bangers. The most dangerous kind. There's a lot of fragile stuff in the museum. Right, and these are bangers that no velvet rope could hold back. Yeah, we see that the museum is under attack and it's the Kirion's pouring through the doors. And the reason why is that the truth is so frightening to them that

their only choice now is to just bust in and break a bunch of stuff. They're looking for this Mike Pants guy. Can't find him. And some Kirion's shithead put his boots up on Janeway's ready room desk. Yeah, sucks. Peas and her desk drawer. Yeah. Is that your idea of political protest, really? The dosen, like, impotently tries to stop them. Like, and he just gets shoved across the room.

These guys have pipes. Yeah. What is the dosen gonna do? I was scared for him. I thought for sure they'd power up the dust busters that they have in the exhibit or something, you know? That dust buster is like, is established so many times visually.

Yeah. There's a whole scene that opens with a close up on the dust buster. I was like, somebody's getting wasted with that thing and it never comes into play. Yeah. Yeah.

Never does. This place is thoroughly fucked over this museum. Yeah, there's like a, the morning after the big high school rager, kind of energy to the next scene where, you know, the light has come up and the museum is, is in terrible shape. They can't find the tricorder. That's, that's one issue that they have.

Yeah, the other issue is the guy passed out and sleeping on the stairs. Like how drunk do you have to be to sleep on stairs? They're like, does anybody know this guy? Was he even at the party or did he sleep on these stairs? I think he works at the grocery store. So weird. How does anyone know him? So the doctor is like looking at this, looking at the wreckage that the truth of his existence has led to, and he proposes, I'm going to

decompile my program or I'm going to teach you how to decompile my program. Like if I am like this catalytic to racial violence in your society, like get rid of me. I can't do that to you. And I'll do it myself. No. His point is so interesting here. I mean, this is the central point of the episode. Like, do facts really matter?

How much do they matter if those facts are centuries ago? And wouldn't it be better if we could just lie to preserve the piece, like a family that doesn't talk to each other about hard things? Yeah. Kind of an interesting position for the doctor to take. Yeah. I can kind of understand it from a, like, being horrified at the violence that has broken

out on your behalf, but also, like, he's a physician and a caretaker. And so like you would think that like some psychotherapy knowledge might be part of that. And it feels like very counter to that school of thought. Well, the one time the doc dabbled in therapy of bad things happened, right? It's true. Yeah. So he's taking a sort of anti therapy stance.

Yeah. I love the realization that this too is a simulation. Yeah. Yeah. This is a thing that has done all the time in Star Trek. Like we're still in the holodeck. We're not out of the simulation yet. But this is such a unique take on that, which is we are in a different

museum watching a history of how are people established peace among each other. I love the idea that every single thing in this episode is a part of that simulation from the beginning to the end, like all the conflicts and the arguments about everything. It's great. It really is. It's an interesting button because the lady leading this tour is like, yeah, so the doctor was our medical chancellor for a while, but then he took off to go find out whatever happened to the voyager.

And we never heard from him again. And that's the way the EMH has written off the show. He's shodagay and stole their shuttle. He knocked up like a lot of people. Like there are six Kirin children that look like the duck. There's vanskins, there's Kirins, and then there are people that are sort of like half hologram here. Yeah.

That's where they came from. Yeah. Wow. What a man. Did you like this episode, Ben? You know, I've made it easy to get along with post-review time. But I don't like bollies, I don't like friends, and I don't like you. I love this too. I do like this episode.

The episode really scared me at the end because I thought it was going in the direction of the like history doesn't matter argument that the doc is making. I was like looking at the progress bar creeping across the screen and I was like, shit, like how are they gonna, like, how is the end of this episode just going to be the doctor saying the truth of history doesn't matter if it's too painful for people to bear. Right. And I like that it doubles back and sort of ends on the opposite take. But hard to square the existence of this episode with the MHB being on the show going forward,

right? Like, haven't we been told that it's like impossible to make a second instance of him before? I don't know. I mean, this is an episode that glosses over that aspect to it that during the attack in an emergency situation, the ship created a backup and that backup was installing. I don't know. It seems as though this should not be possible, but I mean, clearly does. Yeah, yeah. So I don't know, but I really liked the message of it, and I liked the kind of story structure of it. If it's a bottle episode that isn't like a super perfect fit in the continuity of the show, I'm totally fine with that. Well, yeah, I think, you know what, I think you

just answered your own question, Ben, because the entire thing was a simulation. I believe that there are still many aspects that may be not entirely true. And so the idea of how the dot got there might not be factually correct either. Yeah. And wonder if they thought about having more like visual mistakes in the second version and the doctor's version of events. Yeah. Like the combat just don't look right or people have the wrong number of pips or something because that is also recreated from history. He looks as food is just so good. Everybody loves leola roots. The reason that no one's in the mess hall is because it's a riot in there every time.

Trying to get to the front of the buffet line. It just did away with it. How about you Adam, did you like this episode? I did, but it made me sad because it just made me think about how much value we place on our own history and like how our history kind of leads us around on a leaf so often, like as a culture and politically, you know, like the importance that we put on like societal figures or political figures of like centuries ago.

And I'm talking specifically about originalism and the founders or whatever. Right, right. It's insane, and it keeps getting more insane, that originalism in any form is tolerated, you know, as the Earth philosophy, either politically or for our society. It just sucks.

Like we should be moving forward and not looking back. And so some of the questions that this episode asks about how much weight we put on those things. I mean, you could both sides this argument in the context of this episode. Yeah, but I think that that's like one of the strengths of this episode is it really does force you to reckon with

both things. Like we want to be forward-looking. We want to build a future that's better for everyone. We also need to not ignore the things that have led to and like there are tempting ways of going too hard to one side or the other of these arguments. That's why being a cafeteria historian is bullshit. Like it's all history or none of it is. Like take it or leave it.

Yeah. But that's just not how things work. Which is why I choose to leave it. Yeah. Because I can't take all of it too much. Yeah. Hey, Ben, let's just live in the moment, man. You know where?

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And Ben, my question for you is what is a snow? A snow is a very fancy, uh, bassinet or crib or something that has like, I think it's like motorized to rock the baby. Oh, is that a thing that delivers food? You'll see like driving on a sidewalk. You can just have a new driver baby home from a dinner you're having.

If you ever see one of those driving on a sidewalk, assume there's a baby in there. Okay, no, yeah, it's like, I don't know, I'm gonna cost like $1,700, so like most people can't afford them, but you can rent them. Oh. Cause, you know, your baby is an infant

for a finite amount of time. Yeah, but babies are also filthy, so a used snoo is kind of a hose without situation. You would hope. Yeah, I don't want to poo colored snoo. Yeah. Well, we've considered it. Our baby is actually sleeping really well. We're putting them down for, you know, six hour stretches, So we get up in the middle, the night and feet and once

and then get back to bed. And we're actually doing okay in that regard. But if it starts to become a problem, I definitely am aware of the snoo, and I appreciate the advice. The difference between four, five, and six hours of continuous sleep is enormous. And I'm saying this as a fucking puppy, man.

Like, my shit isn't bad at all. Sleepwise compared to what you're going through, but it felt like once we crossed five hours into six, like that was an amount of sleep that did not reduce me into insanity. Like that was a, that was enough to get totally. Totally. Our next P1 here is from... Well, get answers to the question. I'll check conveyance, but you like to get totally. Totally. Our next P1 here is from...

Well, get answers to the question. I was trying to convey it. But you like to be blown out of. The D, it's always the D. Yeah. I don't wanna see something hit the D that makes a hole in the side, but if it gets me an add and blown out of it

in something worth it. I wanna be blown out of the D, but sucked into something else, right? So, like, there's been a rip in the side of the ship by some space butthole and it's sucking, it's sucking real hard. And then I go flying out of the ship but I get sucked into this space butthole.

Who knows where I've gone? Yeah. Maybe I'm a Lerve. Wow. Maybe I'm not. There's some hope. But either way, I'm not just blown, I'm also sucked. And that's what I want. Folks listening will'm not there's some hope but either way I'm not just blown I'm also sucked and that's what I want folks listening will know that there's a Event horizon special bonus app yep over behind the paywall at maximumfund.org Big fun. There's an extended decompression scene in that movie. I feel like

decompression scene in that movie. I feel like, you know, I don't want to look at gift hours in the mouth. We're lucky that the Star Trek industrial complex would even consider blowing us out of a hole in the side of a ship. We're lucky they don't sue us to Bolivia. Yeah, but if they did, it would be really fun to have a scene where like one of us was holding on and the other was like, yeah, you know, I had the other one by the hand and it's like, don't let go, don't let me go. Yeah. And then, you know, you see the fingers like give up one by one on the edge of the console or whatever, and then we go into the space but whole. Yeah. Now we go. Where maybe we lived. Yeah. Maybe that's the Nexus. Maybe we're on a ranch in Montana riding horses with Jim Kirk. God.

Cooking eggs. If it's just fucking Victorian Christmas every day for an infinite amount of time, I'd fucking drop Kirk's space toaster into the bathtub with me. Just end it. I had to write an X-Priority one, that's just from notorious FOD,

and it is two Benjamin R. Harrison. That's me. Hey Ben, when Dr. Bashir stays over at your place, does he sleep in your bathtub, asking for a friend? Also Ben, if Kevin Oxbridge wanted to visit Africa, what advice would you give him? It doesn't take a lot to give Ben tellin' you. to visit Africa, what advice would you give him? What are the risks of getting schismed well on the trip?

And what it helped to take Rolren or Wesley the boy with it? Please do all the draft the boy. Let's see. I'm guessing the risk of getting skisioned are pretty low If you know, you know where you're going and what you're doing I would take Rowl-Larren with me for sure. I do not think I would take the boy with me though I am a traveler of all of space and time. Yeah. And Bashir does sleep in my town, but I don't want him, you know, we throw enough peed on bed sheets in the laundry in my house without Dr. Bashir sleeping in the guest bed. Just an evergreen comment by you, Ben.

And if Kevin wanted to visit Africa, what advice would you give him? Uh, Kevin, try not to genocide anything over there. Yeah. They've had enough hardship. Yeah. Wow. Well, if you'd like to leave a priority one message for a friend, co-worker, or loved one, or me, yeah, you could try writing one to me next time. That'd be cool. I don't see what the upside would be of that But yeah, I guess we could try anything once Go ahead and hit the maximum fun dot org slash jumbo tron and set it up today Hey, Ben, what's that Adam? Did you find yourself a drunk Shimoda? Did I'm gonna give it to the

Incredible. Drunk Shimoda! I did, I'm gonna give it to the race riot crowd. It's kind of a collective Shimoda. Sure is, yeah. The people that run into the museum to smash stuff just do not look like they're dressed for a race riot. They look like they're dressed for business or something. It's like women and like knee length dresses

with like long leggings underneath them and dudes in like the alien equivalent of suits. But you know, they just, they don't look casual enough to be people that spontaneously rioted. My Shemota is the same group of people, but for kind of a different reason, these guys are wielding batons or segments of pipe that they look afraid of swinging

with any velocity. They barge in there and they're like, they don't even hit the dinosaur bones. Wouldn't you want to baseball bat those dinosaur bones? No one touches the dinosaur. They're just swinging at glass. I want to know what they thought that dinosaur did on the Starship Voyager Like how they thought that factored into the Voyager incident story. Yeah, one of the great unanswered questions of episode Also, there are so few sets in Star Trek where there's an upper floor and a lower floor that you could throw someone off of during a fight

Oh, yeah, and this is that set, no one takes a tumble down the stairs and no one will helm screams off of a railing into an airbag. There isn't a green plasma fire for anyone to fall into. I guess I was hoping for a more violent riot. Ha, ha, ha, ha. Yeah, that's me. That's what I enjoy. Yeah, I's me. That's what I enjoy.

Yeah, I guess so. Ketchumotas, yeah. Let's talk about next week's episode, Adam. Why don't you head to gach.bizslashgame and tell us how we will be recording season four, episode 24. Demon. Voyager lands on a demon class planet in order to mine for Duterium. Shut up really? To replenish the ship's dangerously low supply. That's not a real thing. Yeah, there's M class, there's L class, there's demon class. So the the Nuck planet was like sex class.

Yeah. Rises a fuck class planet. Mm-hmm. Come on. There's no demon class planet. There is now baby. Are you the roller or me? I think I think you are.

Or is me. Is you Adam. All right, Ben. Well, right now we are on the doorstep of a banger. Our runabout is on square 23. Alright. And I've calibrated the game to take place on today Ben. Halloween.

Wow. I'm going to take these spooky dice in my hand. You're required to learn as you play. Roll. Bad luck things happen on Halloween. I see that naked now that we could hit. I'm worried. I'm worried for you.

I'm worried for your commitment to continuing as a co-host on this show. I rolled a six last time. A six gets us to the naked now. This is the stupidest timeline, so I'm fully expecting to roll a six. Thankfully I've rolled a two. Chewlaw! Did I win? Harvey. It's hopped us over the banger and landed us on Squirt 25.

Ben, the demon planet episode will be a regular episode. That recording in the nude in a pool. Yeah. Alright. Yeah, just a regular old demon episode. Okay. Alright. Yeah. is what it is. Well, that was a lot of fun, Adam.

Wasn't it? We've got people to thank, my friend. Yeah. People without whom this would not be possible. And the first group of people I want to give a special citation to are those who support our work at maximumfund.org slash join. You set up a monthly membership,

you get all that behind the paywall content, our recent event horizon episode, Tundle Fund. We're doing new episodes once a month. We got lots of fun stuff in store. I think you're really gonna enjoy it. You go check it out. And the public television parlance, it's friends of DeSoto like you.

Mm. Those that financially support the show. Yeah, you hear's friends of DeSoto like you. Those that financially support the show. Yeah, you hear that bank of phones ringing behind me? Yeah. Let's people hearing the call right now, calling in, setting up their membership. It's weird, I see all the telephone cables, but I don't see any of the phones or the operators. Yeah, what is that?

They're all wrapped around your door knob? Uh-huh. Kind of a bizarre contraption kind of a clockwork. Well, you know, some people have more elaborate ways of getting there than others. You know what a freeway is of supporting the show, Ben? And I don't mean like a place you drive your car. You're talking about leaving a review or hitting a star on your podcast, app of choice. Yeah, or just recommending it to a friend. Yeah. We really appreciate folks

that do that. Take a friend aside, look at them in the eyes and say, we need to talk. And then just sort of let that hang for an entire afternoon and then meet up with them later. Let them worry. Yeah. And then you tell them about greatest track slash greatest generation. Yeah. Speaking of greatest track, that's our social media handle on Instagram and Twitter. And those are also great places to talk about why you like the show. Use the hashtag greatest gen to talk about this show. We got to thank our card daddy Bill Tilly who runs those social media accounts, makes them real fun to follow. Check them out.

There's that good part of Twitter, right, the carve out? Oh yeah, yeah, there's a Friends of Disotto group on Twitter. You can join that. You can also join the discorddrunkshamota.com. Yeah. You can sign up for a mailing list at gach.biz slash mail. And buy yourself a t-shirt. That's true.

That pod shopped out biz. Tons of great stuff over there. Get yourself a friend of the Soto phone case. How about you? How about you? Thank you, Nick Dittmore, for making our show art and helping us get PodChop.biz up and running. We also got a shout-out Adam Ragusia,

who made the Janeway song. Original theme music based on the Picard song by Dark Materia. Yeah. Check out Adam Ragusia's podcast. Adam Ragusia podcast, it is called... It is called that. He's also got a great YouTube cooking channel. I listen to it all the time.

Anything else we need to talk about? Oh, we need... Oh, Wendy Pretty! Yeah. Come on, how could I forget? What are you doing? You can't forget our producers! Pistopy right now, I can just tell. Oof, he's like listening to this audio, the raw audio.

It went, edit this to be like further forward in the credits, just so it seems like I'm not the asshole that I really am. Wendy Britty, without whom this whole operation will quickly fall apart. And we appreciate everyone that supports the show, which enabled us to work with a stone cold pro like Wendy every day. Hell yeah.

With that, we will be back at ya next time with another great episode of Star Trek Voyager and an episode of the greatest generation Voyager that, then and Adam, are recording from the surface of a terrifying planet. A demon class, which is a real thing. Maybe won't be that bad, maybe it's just what they called themselves to keep people away. Oh, like a Greenland Iceland thing.

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