The Greatest Generation - Warp Salieri (S7E20)

Episode Date: September 13, 2017

When Admiral Nechayev comes aboard, Picard would almost rather be relieved of command than carry out her orders. The mission coincides with Wesley’s Spring Break, and he’s eager to do some sweet b...ong rips to get out of the funk he’s been in. Who's the George of TNG? Why not deploy the Paul Sorvino Solution? Was anybody woke in the 90s? It’s the episode with all the pan flute. COOL!

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Priority 1 message from Starfleet coming in on Secured Channel. Hey friends of Disodo. Before today's episode, we just wanted to take a moment to talk about the historic labor actions being taken by writers and actors in the American Film and Television industry. If you're a fan of the work done by the people who make Star Trek, we hope you'll join us in standing in solidarity with the folks who actually bring these adventures to life. Over the past several years, the AMPTP, the organization that represents the American Film and Television Production Studios, have reduced the profit from movies and TV going to workers. And in so doing,
Starting point is 00:00:35 they've attempted to weaken the labor unions that represent those workers. They wouldn't even engage the unions on many issues in their negotiations. And so a strike was the only course of action to take. Adam, Wendy and I have been having a lot of internal discussions about how best to stand with the unions and we are continuing those conversations in a dynamic situation. We're doing our best to understand where the picket lines are in these digital spaces,
Starting point is 00:01:01 and we would never intentionally cross one. With the information we have, we feel like we can do more good talking about and supporting the strike and continuing our show as planned. We'll keep you informed about what all this means for greatest trek specifically. Today we're making a contribution to the Entertainment Community Fund. This fund exists to help all the people whose livelihoods have been put on hold because the AMPTP refuses to negotiate
Starting point is 00:01:25 in good faith with the unions. It provides financial support for writers, actors, and all the thousands of laborers who make the shows that we talk about here and without whom we wouldn't have Star Trek to cast pot about. Those folks are all out of work because billionaires, company shareholders, and the executives of these companies don't want to compromise on the length of their yachts. We hope you'll join us in supporting entertainment workers in a challenging time, especially after they've already endured several years of challenges brought on by the pandemic
Starting point is 00:01:55 and season two of Star Trek Picard. We've set up a page where you can also contribute. It's at friendsofdecotoforlabor.com. That's friendsofdececoto for Labor.com. That's FriendsOfDecoto for Labor.com. Link in the episode description. Okay, now let's get on with the show. Here's to the finest crew in Starfleet. Engage! Welcome to the greatest generation, a Star Trek podcast by a couple of guys who are barely holding it together while they do this. Star Trek podcasts, they're a little bit embarrassed to do. I'm Ben Harrison. I'm Adam Pranaka. Yeah, my life feels like that scene in undiscovered country when
Starting point is 00:02:46 Sulu wants all the power to the engines. And that fucking guy on the bridge is like, it's gonna fly apart then. Terror apart then! Sulu's like, fly apart! God damn it! Fly the fucking thing completely apart! That's my life. That's your life too right now.
Starting point is 00:03:04 Yeah, the last episode we recorded recorded I was dead on my feet. I'd just been, I'd been like driving and walking around all day, working my ass off and we were supposed to record two episodes and I just tapped out at one. I was like, no, moss. The consequence of going out on tour was that we gobbled up all the runway and now here we are a day before episode release day and we're recording pod. This is fairly unlike us.
Starting point is 00:03:35 To be under this kind of schedule pressure. This feels like a gun to the head. The only thing that could really make me feel less existential terror right now, Adam, is if one or the other of us started open up packages is... Open and then... I just happened to have a couple of packages... Right here, Ben. Fuck you.
Starting point is 00:04:05 I'm receiving a code 47. Verify, it is code 47, sir. Starfleet emergency frequency. Captions eyes only. Ben Luckyus, I went down to our official greatest Gen PO box. That address of course is 1037, North East 65th Street, number 263. And Seattle, Washington 9815. That is not to be confused with our official B.O. box, which we also have one of. Sorry, keep our body odor at him.
Starting point is 00:04:36 I know what that joke deserves, but I don't know, Ben, if as its editor, you've got the guts to drop crickets on your own joke. Alright, what we have here is a tube package, a package, and a cardboard tube that is taped so well that I'm being very dangerous with an exacto knife in opening it up. Oh, it's got a plug. A blue plug in the end of it. Looks like some posters.
Starting point is 00:05:14 I will try to get them out of the tube without destroying. Those are posters for our show. It's like, hey guys, would you mind signing these? Okay. It's like hey guys would you mind signing these? Okay Do not destroy the posters do not destroy the posters What we've got here is an original Visit anybody Canyon poster.
Starting point is 00:05:45 Whoa! Sent to us from Matt from Columbia, Missouri. Hey, cool! And this is basically from my lips to Matt's ears. We put out a request a long time ago. Wouldn't it be great Ben if we had if we had one of those like spoof postcard posters from like the tourism board yeah this is like as if anybody Canyon had a tourism board and they were
Starting point is 00:06:18 advertising at it as a great place to visit it It says they've got to be around here somewhere at the bottom and it is a It is a will riker yelling into the canyon and there's like a grand canyon seen in the back nice choice of wild west typeface I think that's super fun and like an eagle flying above the canyon. It is like an eagle flying above the canyon. It is printed on some sturdy cardstock and it's really beautiful. That's Postram 1. Here's here's Postram 2. A variation of the same. It says greetings from anybody Canyon with the same tag line at the bottom. This version of anybody Canyon looks a lot like the OG, anybody Canyon with those purple crystals.
Starting point is 00:07:07 And our really beautiful mat, like, God, it's... We should do something with these band, that's all I'm going to say, like not just... Frame them and put them on the wall. Yeah, they are suitable for framing and they are beautiful and I will definitely share them on the social media pretty awesome That's cool man, I you know I was thinking about greatest gen con and how fun it would be if there was a way to like display all of the cool Like homemade stuff people have sent us over the course of doing the show at it.
Starting point is 00:07:47 I have got a strange relationship to the idea of a personal display. Ben, do you have time for a story? Sure. I haven't told you an embarrassing story in a long time. Well, you do less embarrassing stuff than me. Let's be honest. So in the fourth grade, I was a member of a newly relocated family to the city. Our family had just moved from Nafik to Redmond, Washington, where I went to an elementary school nearby. And in this elementary school, there was a display case. This display case was used for student collections. It was a way for you to get to know your other students
Starting point is 00:08:33 through what they chose to collect. And lots of times there'd be like, I don't know, stamps. Or... So it was like a rotating key that you did display like in the airport when you see like Absolutely, like every month there would be a different display like someone would put in like like Old pictures of their grandparents or or like I don't know. It was sort of felt a little bit Get to know me instead of like here's the things I collect.
Starting point is 00:09:05 I chose the second interpretation. I chose to use it as a place to show off my collection of Star Trek ephemera as a new kid in town. And at school, I thought this would be a great thing to do. Boy did this backfire because what I put in this were things that didn't exactly look great as a collection like 20 Star Trek the next generation books that I had built poorly. And whatever action figures I've managed to collect
Starting point is 00:09:50 at the time and on like a three by five note card, my name and grade level displayed prominently. Not a great decision for me, socially been, it was a decision that that had sort of a ripple effect through the rest of my years at that elementary school. What is going on when adults let kids make decisions that bad? That's what I'm saying. Like, I look, I take responsibility for that choice. Bad decision by me, but also, this is a school full of adults who should consider themselves counselors for youths like myself, youths that may be on the wrong track, then youths about to commit social suicide.
Starting point is 00:10:46 I could have been stopped. Boys are in trouble. I believe that's what boys town is all about, isn't it? Like it's taking a child who is about to display an embarrassing collection and you stick them in a town. So you stick them in a camp. You you you you you teach him right once they're there. I should have been taken out of class. He needs a big brother. He needs some kind of mentor who's gonna show him right from wrong. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:11:15 I did not know any better than. And so the display went up. The reaction was not good. It remained for, I don't know, the two weeks that it was meant to remain. And then I put all of those things in a brown paper bag, took them home on the bus and never spoke of them again. Just two solid weeks of feeling hot under the color during every waking hour. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that basically informed everything to follow for me.
Starting point is 00:11:57 That was an inflection point. You know, a lot of people, they have inflection points in their lives, been moments that changed everything. I believe this is something they discuss on inside the actor studio. If that fucking guy from inside the actor studio ever interviewed me, he'd ask me about that inflection point moment and this would be it. You'd have an answer chambered.
Starting point is 00:12:19 Humiliating, Ben. Well Adam, fortunately your humiliation W slash, slash T star trek has not ended because we get to do this show, but all journeys do eventually come to an end. As does one Wesley crushers in the episode we came to talk to the folks about today. Should we get into it? Yeah, let's do that, Ben. It's season seven, episode 20. Journeys in. Well, Adam, Wesley. Wesley, the boy. The boy.
Starting point is 00:13:07 Young Wesley, Crusher. My son. Has come aboard. He's like, I don't know, is this spring break or something? Yeah, it sounds that way. Senior year spring break from the Academy and he's spending it on the entrepreneur. His mom has gotten him separate quarters so he can feel like his own man.
Starting point is 00:13:27 There's far away from mine as possible, so you don't even have to see me if you don't want to. Everyone's excited to see him. Yeah, everybody's excited to see him, but he has a plate of shit under his nose. Yeah, he's rocking some real attitude from jump. He should return to the enterprise like a conquering hero.
Starting point is 00:13:45 He's the most popular kid on the ship. He has exactly the opposite issue that I had when I displayed my collection. I was immediately thinking when I saw the way he was acting, do people hate him on the ship now because of the fact that he attempted to cover up the preventable death of one of his classmates. And then, journeyy and Data like bus data, they're like, hey, chum, great to see you. Welcome back, Wes. Jordy and Data are like, we've killed
Starting point is 00:14:14 people lots of times based on our bad decisions. It's a hey, you're one of us now. Yeah, Data's like, do you think that I've never lit a plasma fart? That's like my main thing, dude. I'm totally suicidal. I want to die more than anything. Like they don't get it. They can't quite, they can't quite hang. So they just get right out. They sort of do that thing where they like, they give them a little bit of a wide birth like oh he must be tired from his travels. We'll come and see you later like that sort of uh that sort of exit. It's a weird scene and it's one of those it's one of those cold opens that just
Starting point is 00:14:57 ends is just kind of like something's wrong but we're not going to say what. Beverly leaves Wes in the quarters after kissing him on the mouth. Ben, I mean not to get too personal, but how old were you when you stopped kissing your parents on the mouth? I was young enough, I think, to not remember when that stopped. I don't remember when it stopped either. I, yeah, it's weird that we kiss kids on the mouth, I guess, to me. I mean, maybe my tune will change when fatherhood comes my way,
Starting point is 00:15:40 but it seems weird with an adolescent and it seems weird with a little kid. To me. Let's be clear, it seems far weirder with an adolescent. Oh yeah, oh yeah, I'm not trying to like, it's wrong shade of anybody. Yeah, I was just at like a big family gathering and it was definitely clear that like,
Starting point is 00:16:01 I was not necessarily always on the same page with relatives of mine, W slash R slash T how we express affection for one another. Oh, yeah, like a lot of different armed hugs. Yeah, like me going for the hug and realizing as I'm, you know, like past the point of no return that this was supposed to be a handshake. Oh. That's tough. Yeah. And you can try, you can try and save it and turn it into a
Starting point is 00:16:35 app, but, you know, that's not necessarily something every like 65-year-old lifelong literature teacher is aware of and able to do. I don't even know what to say, dude. I'm sorry. I'm just trying to embarrass one up you, Adam. I was happy to see Wesley, I mean, even though Wesley is a total shit for half of this episode, I was happy to see him. And it made me grieve for the many interesting Wesley episodes that we missed in his absence. And I mean that totally sincerely.
Starting point is 00:17:22 Like, I think Wesley is an interesting conduit as a character to go through adolescence with. And when he was on the ship, his storylines were not great. His acting, I think even he would admit was was equal was equally regarded, but for him to leave, I think, deprived the viewer, especially viewers of the age that you and I were at the time of that person, that person that they could really like feel like they could embody. And so to see him come back, maybe feel like we were really missing something. Like I think there were great stories to be told with him that didn't get told for that reason. I wonder why they spent so much time
Starting point is 00:18:09 in the first several seasons of this show, doing storylines about how Riker and Wesley had other opportunities elsewhere that they might need to go do. Yeah. It seemed like from jump, they were writing ways for Wesley to get off the show Yeah in in descripts
Starting point is 00:18:30 the the The direction they chose to go with Wes was really weird too like from the beginning he's boy genius vunderkind But but what if he were just a normal kid on a ship full of adults where no one was like him He's just as different if he's standard issue teenager The stories are just as interesting if he is having a hard time adjusting in this in this adult pseudo military world Yeah, like in that way he becomes more More like us than then even as a genius, you know? Well, I think that this series is when they realize that everything doesn't have to take
Starting point is 00:19:13 place on the bridge. Yeah. You know, and like, I, like, the original series, like almost everything that isn't Kirk fucking a green lady on a planet is set on the bridge. So they like shoehorned the character of Wesley into the helm position so that they could have him up there all the time. Yeah, because he had to be present in order to have a story told about him. Yeah, and yeah, I agree. Like I think a, I think a modern version might just have a, like it's the same thing we said with the lower decks.
Starting point is 00:19:50 Like if you could just check in with people that aren't on the bridge all the time, like that's an interesting, those are equally interesting stories to the ones that they found to tell. Right. Well, we come back from title sequence, and Picard is nervous and getting a bunch of fancy pants,
Starting point is 00:20:15 which isn't canopays together, because Ed Moldin-Caea is coming aboard. And he's very nervous about that, because it usually doesn't go well between him and the J.F. I'm here to relieve you of command of the Enterprise. That old war horse is back. Battle axe and I'd roll the chaos. I still love her. I think she's great.
Starting point is 00:20:42 This is a dope scene because like it's always fun to see Picard's status like flipped on his head and he's trying to curry favor it and kind of works. Like she's much nicer to him this time. I mean, he shows consideration for her interests in a way that that melts her icy acts a little bit. But you will notice, Ben, that she never eats any of the canopies. She just appreciates that they're there. She's like, thank you for trying to play me a little bit. We don't get the scene after she leaves of Picard, like using his arm to slide everything into a desk side garbage bag. And then the scene after that where Wurf like wanders through the
Starting point is 00:21:29 Observation Lounge and sees a bunch of uneaten canopies in the garbage and like Double checks to make sure nobody's coming and scarf some down delicious. Wurf is definitely the George of Star Trek the next generation Was it in the trash? Yes. Then it was trash. For sure. So what Nichev tells Picard is, is like, there's a planet full of colonists who have relocated there who are descendants of Native American settlers. And you know that they're truly Native American because,
Starting point is 00:22:03 as she begins to describe them the pan flute starts playing Yeah, they need to be relocated because there's been a Cardassian Federation Agreement that sort of redraws a boundary line in which this planet there on is now inside Cardassian territory Like there's been some trading of planets when it comes to redrawing the territory. This Native American planet is now inside Cardassian territory. And then the Federation, I suppose, has gotten a few X Cardassian planets. But this poses a real problem because they got to get out
Starting point is 00:22:39 because the Cardassians are typically unkind to those who would be on their planets who are not invited. It's a heavy quandary because Picard rightly raises the kind of ugly history of disconnected white people in power, making decisions about where native peoples are going to live and then, you know, putting, putting ink on paper to like enact that into law and then the native peoples find out later and are like, what the fuck? And it sets up a very real moral quandary because Picard is, you know, not really down with the political decision that was made, but it is his job to go carry it out.
Starting point is 00:23:25 And that's, I mean, something that I'm sure that people in military command structures deal with all the time. Right. Right. A tray of canopies isn't going to get them out of this pickle. Ben when Nichev was telling Picard about this problem, I was thinking if only Picard had recently experienced the need to relocate a bunch of settlers, why doesn't he deploy the Paul Sorvino solution to this problem? They already tested it out. Like, they're not gonna have holodeck problems this time around.
Starting point is 00:24:06 Like, they could tell all these Native Americans to get inside their tent, a storm is a common. They beam them to the holodeck, they be able to hit them somewhere else. It totally worked. Yeah, but these are not primitives, they're just traditional. They don't not have a nickname. Traditional. Trampled to this planet.
Starting point is 00:24:28 But ban, traditional can mean dumb also. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha I mean, I don't hate that plan, but my hunch is that there's a lot more of these colonists than we had in that little village that Paul Servino was so hung up on. And I imagine the, I mean, well, the prime directive is one thing. I imagine like deceiving a bunch of federation citizens and kidnapping them and taking them to another planet and leaving them there is probably not a great look. Yeah, but like, on a list of outcomes, ha ha ha ha.
Starting point is 00:25:18 Them saying no and getting killed by the Cardassians has got to be number one awful. And then down the list has got to be the forced relocation, right? Yeah, I mean, there's no good answer to this problem. Like that's the central thrust of this episode. And he keeps telling the Cheyah that like you're putting me in a really fucking hard place and she's like, well, tough tits, buddy. Yeah. That's your job. If you don't relocate them, I've got a starship with a cargo hold full of blankets that might take care of this problem for you.
Starting point is 00:25:52 Oh, I've got. Oh, I've got. I've got the hood full of some textiles. Captain, just so does like, and we're not supposed to touch them right okay I got you and then where are we dropping them off? Okay No problem. Why are they all in these vacuum sealed baggies? Well, it's not my job to ask any questions I'm just hauling my butt back and forth across the quadrant quadrant. So they head off to Dorven 5, the planet in question where these American Indians are living. And in the meantime, Wesley has changed into philosophy professor at Reed College Drag and is
Starting point is 00:26:49 like wandering around the ship in a vest and a turtle neck just to open around. It is hard tweed. You know, sometimes you'll see a tweed jacket or something that looks like it almost needs to get broken in. It's so sturdy, like it could stand up on its own. Yeah. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Looks like he's wanting a bulletproof vest of tweed.
Starting point is 00:27:10 It's definitely a thornproof vest. And he's been like a shithead to Jordy. Jordy's like, hey, look at all these cool, like, aftermarket mods I put on my warp core and less like, you probably just got these out of the auto trader. These are bullshit. Yeah, he is straight up like rolling his eyes at Jordy. And most people wait until they're out of sight to roll their eyes at Jordy.
Starting point is 00:27:37 Like he's doing it right in front of him and copping a total attitude. He's not just subtle, he's actually being a dick directly to him. And Jordy finally says, like, what the fuck, man? Why don't you just go ahead and leave engineering. I don't even want to hang out with you anymore. I know you're warp Mozart or whatever, but I taught you everything you fucking know. Get the fuck out of here. Yeah, right now you're more like warp-celliary. Warp Celieri. Hahaha. Sick Burn Adam. Hahaha. So Picard meets with these Indians, and the Indians have decided to exclusively send
Starting point is 00:28:13 men as their delegation. Hahaha. So, one of the ways they're traditional is that they're super patriarchal. Hahaha. Hahaha. that they're super patriarchal. Are there even any women characters on the Indian planet? Oh man. Just background actors. That's tough.
Starting point is 00:28:33 I think they're in the background, but deep background. Fuck that. Yeah. Give me a break. But they're like, hey man, we're gonna hear you out on this and Picard is like, listen, I don't like this at all. But this treaty has been signed by the Federation. I've been given the uncomfortable task of bag man for this information.
Starting point is 00:29:00 And we've found some cool planets in the neighborhood that aren't on the Cardassy inside of the line that I think you guys are going to really like. And we want to do what's right here, but we got to we got to get you off this planet first, first and foremost. It's an interesting version of lawyer Picard, right? Because this is a version of lawyer Picard that does not necessarily believe what he's saying is right. Like you can see him twisted up about this. Yeah. He's making a strong case, he's making the only case that he can, but the full like lawyer Picard Gravitas is not behind it.
Starting point is 00:29:36 There's also some like, I don't know, like the, the like thing that makes a lot of border conflicts and land disputes so hard in so many places is that religion gets involved. And then it's not just like how can we figure out a mutually agreeable way to whack this land up. It's like, oh, we're Protestants over here and we're Catholics over here. So that factor will make it impossible to ever reconcile this.
Starting point is 00:30:13 Or we're Hindus on this side and Muslims on this side or whatever. The Indians have a real spiritual connection to this place. And so they're like, hey, it's not just a planet to us. It's more than that. And you know, we didn't really get consulted when somebody drew a line that, that put it on the wrong side of it. So, fuck yourself. Picards reaction here is like, evenly been here 20 years. Like, I find that reaction totally years. I find that reaction totally appropriate. Look, I get the native people's argument that they're there to stay, and they've put down roots and stuff, but man, 20 years out of 400. I mean, those roots are weak. You could yank the plant out of the ground and replant it, right?
Starting point is 00:31:08 Yeah, so they don't come quite to an agreement in this session. And Picard is like, well, let's adjourn and everybody think on what's been said here today. Meantime, we're gonna have a party up on the ship and you guys are all invited. And it's like, it's basically just kind of pushes that conversation into a new context where Picard gets to like walk around with the long white haired
Starting point is 00:31:32 elder of the tribe and like wrap with him about what's gonna happen. And you know, like this further exposes how like far away from there on a philosophical basis. But there are times when the greater good demands that certain sacrifices are made. The old man is like, there are also times when a people sacrificed too much. Oh, and also, by the way, your distant relatives were responsible for resettling some people back on earth. So why don't you quit repeating history? You fucking asshole.
Starting point is 00:32:13 This this really like drops an anchor inside Picard like he's like I was I was not familiar I'm not gonna do that impression, but he's like I was not familiar with that bit of history Yeah, like the guys like look it up asshole Like this is actually like a pretty cool moment in the script because I feel like a lot of white people are like Well, my family never did anything so it's fine like I like don't tar me with the brush of white supremacy And it's like not all all federation, right? Yeah, it's totally not all federation.
Starting point is 00:32:51 And he's like, hashtag, yes, all Indians, buddy. Also in this party is played of shit Wesley, who is like, it's like moep. You know, like don't go to fucking 10 for it and make everybody else have to deal with your bum out, Wesley. Yeah, he does the thing where he shows up late and then he goes and sits by himself. Like, thanks for participating. Yeah, he's like, sit, sit by himself in a way that's like, you know, he's not looking
Starting point is 00:33:22 at his phone, he's not reading a book, he's not even drinking or eating anything, he's just sitting there like picking his skin on the palm of his hand. And this dude comes up behind him and it's like, hey, I'm really glad you're here, I've been waiting for a long time, I had a vision quest about you. This is a guy that will know as Lakanta and the amazing technical
Starting point is 00:33:46 repentant shirt that he wears. He's got that mysticism that can only be accompanied by an even louder pan flute than has ever been heard before. Here's the thing, Ben. Like Wesley is such a shit up until this moment. I don't really understand why he's listening to him. Like, he's not listening to anyone at this point and all of a sudden he's gonna listen to this jack-off.
Starting point is 00:34:16 Like, he's like, I'm having a really deep sense of spiritual on we. I wish somebody that was a caricature of spiritualism would come up and talk to me. Yeah. And this, I think, thrusts at the main issue with the episode for me, which is like, you don't have to make Wesley a shit to create an opening for Lakanta to get into, like, to dig him out of this hole, right? Like, it doesn't have to be this way.
Starting point is 00:34:50 It could have been, his character could have been sad or just, like, feeling listless and directionless. He doesn't need to be shitty to his friends also. Yeah, it felt like lowest common denominator character work here, like, like you could play more subtly with his emotions, but I guess you need to write him broadly for a new viewer, I guess. I don't know. I don't know why he's like this, but it's troubling. So the federation is basically admitted to the Indians like, hey listen, like we want to do this in a way that you guys are cool with, but if in the end we can't reach an agreement, we've been ordered to just like literally be
Starting point is 00:35:52 blew up against your will and take you somewhere else. So like we hope it doesn't come to that, but that's our line. And so like while Picard like tries to keep working on this diplomatically. He has worth working on the strategy for if they have to just be total assholes about this. Not helping matters is the fact that the Cardassians have shown up. This is the first time that I've really had a look at the Cardassian uniform. You know, like they they tend to shoot the Cardassians waste up, but you get like a full cowboy shot here of this lead Cardassian guy. And they're talking about Gully Vick. I am Gully Vick. How do Cardassians sit down? Well, not having their uniform poke them in the dick.
Starting point is 00:36:50 Because that thing comes down in a sharp V, like, there's no way to sit down in that uniform is there. And yet we see Cardassians sitting all the time. Not everybody keeps their genitals in the same place, Captain. Yeah, where is a Cardassian dick? It must not be at the bottom of that point. Have we ever seen a cardassian kneel? That point really draws the eye.
Starting point is 00:37:11 That's a variation of the deep V, isn't it? It's the deep D. Yeah, this guy shows up to the planet early in sort of a scope out mission, like he's wanting to do the home inspection before buying. And Picard's like, hey buddy, we're actually trying to do some diplomacy here. This is not a great time for you to make an appearance.
Starting point is 00:37:36 Can you just like go so we can continue to dispute this? And the card, that was a bad call on Picard's part. He should have been like, oh fuck, the card assids are here You guys are in big trouble now. You better do what I said Well, that's just it this goal in a very loud voice is like what is there to dispute? This is our planet You got to get these people out of here. I know I don't have the keys yet, but I made the down payment so technically Yeah, not a good look.
Starting point is 00:38:07 It really puts Picard on the ropes. It puts him on the ropes and it shouldn't. Like it should be, like the Cardassians have a real bad boy wrap around this part of the galaxy and you would think that you could play the fact that a bunch of them are walking around with guns for like, hey, let's consider this
Starting point is 00:38:31 from a safety of the colony standpoint. Like are you sure you want these assholes all over the planet? Or what's up? Why didn't Picard hit his communicator and be like, hey, Will, where was the heads up on this? Like, it's your shift on the bridge, right? Like, you could have told me a Cardassian ship
Starting point is 00:38:49 came into orbit, you could have told me that they were gonna beam down. What the fuck? Like, they never should have had the jump on them like that. Yeah, you definitely don't want it to get to there on the surface of the planet before the Captain knows. This is another example of something that happens throughout the entire episode, which is
Starting point is 00:39:07 Riker not helping. Like his role as an exo should be to offer alternatives, or to, I don't know, support your commanding officer when he has a tough decision to make, but not only does he not tell Picard about this card to ask you in ship. At no point does he ever offer council to Picard when he's making these decisions, even when he's in all the McLaughlin groups, even when he's just around, like he's so unhelpful, it's weird. It's notably, like his help is notably absent from all these scenes. He does not have much of a part in this episode. Yeah, and he should.
Starting point is 00:39:45 Wesley's on the ship and he's totally being awful. Like, wasn't Wesley at one point in his care? As like an adult counselor figure? He's not even helping Wes. Riker should be the big brother to Wes. The, he should be like, no dude, don't put your, don't put your plate of shit in the school collection display. Writers so absent you'd think that Freaks was directing the episode.
Starting point is 00:40:12 Wesley meanwhile, despite the fact that Kardashians are crawling around making extravagant threats against everybody, Wesley is like in full like. I'm gonna see with this, what this man from a different culture can teach me about spirituality. This guy wants to smoke me out. I don't know where he got his shit or where I'm gonna go to do it but it seems like a pretty chill idea. Lakanta promises him a safe space to get smoked out and leads him up into this attic. An attic full of terrifying dolls, Ben. Yeah, not really where you wanna have your hallucinatory vision quest.
Starting point is 00:40:53 I think Wes has been led into a lot of strange rooms that he's not comfortable with. He just sort of goes along with the flow. Yeah, over those other gimp's, oh no, they're dolls. Oh, interesting. I was starting to feel right at home The trope of white guy going on vision quest is no good, right? Yeah, yet
Starting point is 00:41:18 I don't know man. It's like it's early 90s. I guess this is this is what this is what you do in the early 90s. I guess this is what you do in the early 90s. You add- Wesley's like, LeConte, I wish I had spent some more time with your culture before I applied to Starfleet Academy, so I could have put Native American on my application. I might have gotten some better scholarships and whatnot. So Wes takes a massive hit out of the campfire and starts seeing visions of his dad. And his dad is...
Starting point is 00:41:51 I know what Doug Wirtz agent told him when he got the part of Jack Crusher was like, all right, you're going to have three parts in this television show over the course of seven years and you're gonna have about four lines total across that span, but it's gonna be really important. I wish I could feel anything for Jack Crusher, you know? Like, does the whole Jack Crusher thing work for you? Because it doesn't work for me, and in spite of me really wanting it to, I think it's just because Jack was force-fed down our throats for the first three seasons, as a main underpinning for Beverly and Wes, and the main reason that Picard can't be with
Starting point is 00:42:39 Beverly. But it would be great if Jack Crusher was cool in some way that we knew about like if we loved Jack Crusher the way that we're supposed to love Beverly I think that would be helpful uniform. He's just so anonymous. Yeah, it's hard to care Well anyway Jack is like look Wes you can go your own way and Then in the background go your own way and then in the background go your own way. He's like Wes, you don't have to go to the Academy anymore. You can blaze your own trail to two roads in a wood. Blah blah blah. I don't want to be one of those an earring ghost father that's always making his son do the same career path that he did. You see, Wesley? You're confronted with a different kind of ghost dad.
Starting point is 00:43:34 A ghost dad who is encouraging you to place your own way. Arudie. You'll notice that when I walked into the foyer, I did not slip through the floor. A gag that works in the trailer but stands up to no scrutiny, Theo. So we cut back to Wes and he's like blowing huge clouds and he's like, oh shit. I don't have to do this anymore. Cool. Hahaha.
Starting point is 00:44:12 And he comes out and like he's like, he's, you know, his eyelids are droopy and he's like, wow, that was fucking super profound. And he's like, he's like, he should be a washcloth right now. Like, he is so sweaty. He looks up and up a set of stairs out here in this village that the Indians live in is Worf. And Worf is doing some tricordering and...
Starting point is 00:44:37 Worf has a memo that Wesley's a dick, so he just treats him like normal Wes. He's like, hey, buddy, how you doing? And Wesley's like, what are you doing, Worf? And Wor He's like, hey buddy, how you doing? And Wes is like, what are you doing, Warf? And Warf is like, all right, man, just between you and me, like if these people should not see reason, we have orders to get him out of here.
Starting point is 00:44:55 And Wes is like, what? Hey, everybody, did you hear that? Fucking Warf, like, shut the fuck up, man. Like, this is a major security bit of news here and he just tells Wesley, that's a dead Wesley crusher, who is so far down the line in terms of of what sort of top secret information he should have access to.
Starting point is 00:45:21 Like, he should not be told. Yeah. So he gets, he should not be told. Yeah. So he should even be on the planet surface. What is he doing there? Getting high as fuck. Yeah. Yeah, he's gotta get high. He like rouses the rabble.
Starting point is 00:45:35 He like comes very close to inciting a riot. And like we go to commercial and when we come back, he's like presumably still super high, getting chewed out by Captain Picard. It's gotta be so scary to be high and chewed out by Picard. Can you just say, stop yelling at me for a second? Let me stop. Let me stop. My thoughts.
Starting point is 00:46:02 Stop talking so fast also. And also, stop talking so slow at the same time somehow. Do you think I could just go take a shower and come back and we could have this meeting later? Let me sleep this off and or eat an entire box of Captain Crunch without any milk. Picard is so ripsh it, he's like, you really fucked me, Wes. You double crossed me and you fucked me.
Starting point is 00:46:31 This is what happens when you fuck your captain in the ass, Wesley. This is what happens. This is what happens, Wesley. This is what happens when you fuck your captain in the ass. Picard is totally fucked here. There's an insurrection on the planet surface, which I gotta tell ya, pretty tasty storyline
Starting point is 00:46:53 if you're thinking about a movie down the road. Mm, yeah. I mean, you could really spice it up if you... Stick a pin in this, I think. Gave some, some F-Merry Abraham with lots of extra skin to the to the story say no more ban in fact say exactly Nothing else because that's all the story we need yeah, that's all we need sold in the room So Wesley is in big trouble and in the midst of this argument, like Picard is like, you know what this could mean for your career in Starfleet and Wesley is like, I don't give a shit.
Starting point is 00:47:37 I'm quitting Starfleet and I'm quitting the Academy, fuck you. I'm resigning from the Academy. He does that thing where he rips off his combat and sticks it on the desk. The Universal Sign for I Quit in Star Trek. Yeah. It has a little less impact than the Universal Sign for I Quit in Cop shows, which is the combat and the gun. Yeah. Yeah. I guess he doesn't have a phaser in those little cargo pockets on his uniform. That's true. This, I mean, I think Picard is so angry in this scene that he is not completely sad at this moment. Like the tilt up to him before the commercial break is just like, what the fuck? Sort of like that moment, that refractory period after a fight when you're still
Starting point is 00:48:25 angry like you have not come around to the idea of reconciliation he's still pissed yeah yeah it's it's really uncomfortable and kind of devastating and then it kind of it kind of turns around when West talks to his mom and is like hey listen like this is something that I really thought I wanted but I I've realized It kind of turns around when Wes talks to his mom and is like, hey, listen, this is something that I really thought I wanted, but I've realized in taking it super seriously and working really hard at it, that it's not what I want. And I'm gonna do something else.
Starting point is 00:48:58 And she's like, let me try and talk you out of it. Let me talk and he's like, no, this is me being real for the first time in a long time. Beverly's like, maybe I could convince you by kissing you on the mouth over and over again. But that help. Unzip your mask. Beverly comes around to this idea pretty fast. She's like, look, I'm your mom and I love you no matter what. I had no idea you were suffering like this. And like if this alay is your suffering, then you've got my support 100%. Like, I wanted to leave Starfleet for episode to go to go fuck a candle. So like, this is not a, this is not nearly as flimsy of a reason
Starting point is 00:49:44 that leave Starfleet as that was. was like she's probably the most forgiving person that he could find in that We've started to go fuck a campfire. I can totally see that What is up with the crushers attraction to to flame? She's so magical, you know She's so magical, you know? And the last thing I think she says to him is that she remembers that episode way back at the beginning of the series when they met the traveler, and the traveler was like really impressed with Wesley's ability and said that he was like Mozart but for warp. And Wesley's like, that's really great to hear.
Starting point is 00:50:23 Yeah, I kind of feel the same way. By telling him this, she does that thing that the traveler warned her not to do also. Remember when the traveler told Picard in Beverly, he's like, look, this kid is special, but under no circumstances are you to tell him how special he is? He's got to find his own way, man. Yeah. Go, you won't marry. Back on the planet surface, you can tell things have gone from bad to worse. I could just see Bill Tilly listening to this episode, like,
Starting point is 00:51:05 head in his hands, like, that is the worst, that is the worst singing I've ever heard of my life, of a classic rock hit. You know when you've lost Tilly, you've lost the crowd. Bill Tilly just turns to the camera and sheds a single tear. Oh, that's sort of related to the people depicted in this episode, Ben. Was that intentional? That's part of the joke.
Starting point is 00:51:36 If there is ever an opportunity to explain the joke, though, Ben. To let the air out of my joke. Down on the surface, you can tell things have gone from bed to worse because nobody is attempting to do diplomacy aside from Wurf. They have no right to be here. The terms of the treaty gives them the right to survey this planet. We don't recognize that treaty. Wurf is barely holding it together down there. He's like periodically like hitting his gimme, to kill her.
Starting point is 00:52:09 Guy's not exactly my strong suit. Little help. And you know, it's like turning semi-violent. And Wesley is down there. And he's like about to go intervene. And he like freezes time and Lakanta's like, no dude, you've gotta let them solve their own shit. Like mid-fire fight.
Starting point is 00:52:36 Like the phasers come out and they start shooting. And Wesley does a full-on freak out. He does the sort of freak out that you would see in a M Night Shyamalan movie where the freak out pauses everything, or maybe it's the sort of freak out that you see and saved by the bell when Zach says something like, all right, stop.
Starting point is 00:52:57 I don't find a way out of this. My life at Bayside is over. And then he's like walking through the frame. And La Conte is like, you're better than this. You're not even on their same level. And not only that, I'm not on their level either. And then he morphs into the traveler. It's like the end of return of the Jedi.
Starting point is 00:53:16 Every, every black villain has a, has a frail white man inside of him and every, every Native American has a gray alien inside of him. A gray, three fingered alien. That it looks like they didn't finish painting. I had never noticed that the traveler, like the airbrushing on his neck was incomplete. I thought he was all silver everywhere. But the airbrush on his neck especially, he's got flesh-colored neck.
Starting point is 00:53:46 Yeah, I guess he does. Looking at it now. Yeah, it definitely just stops at his weird collar. Yeah. It's nice to see the traveler again. That's a deep callback. Yeah, I mean, definitely plays into, like, another racist uphology thing of like they oh then the natives have been in touch with the aliens forever maybe because you secretly are aliens so that they're aware of many things do you feel like these Indians are more or less caricatures than what they than how they treated the space Irish?
Starting point is 00:54:23 less caricatures than how they treated the space Irish. Less. Yeah. I think that there's things that are embarrassing misses. Yeah, only dudes get to come make any decisions on behalf of the tribe or like, hey, we just have a room full of indistinct,istinct religious crap, and you're, we're gonna let this white guy have a religious experience in it. Yeah, but at the same time, like the episode does point,
Starting point is 00:54:55 like make some like very good points about the nature of white supremacy and like historical injustice that white people have brought on people's color. Yeah. So it's 90s, you know? Like, yeah. Like everyone was woken the 90s.
Starting point is 00:55:15 Yeah, nobody was all that woken. I am a cuter's of all. You will assist us. I am a cuter's of all. You are all. So the traveler basically offers him the thing that Doc Brown offers, offers Marty. He's like, come along with me, man. We can travel through space and time together.
Starting point is 00:55:39 You'll learn all you need to know and I'll be your teacher if you have me. And Wes is like, school sucks. I'm going to go off with you. And like he's like just let me pack my things. And so he does. And he goes off to live with the traveler. I guess if you control space and time Ben, do you even need to pack anything? What do you need a bag for? Yeah, you definitely don't need one of those weird cylindrical cases full of iPads. I love the idea of the traveler, like going to help him pack. He's like, you're not gonna need to eat that.
Starting point is 00:56:14 You're not gonna need that. That either. Yeah. Wes is like, how about the like mini toiletries I've gathered from all the hotels I've been to? Like those can come in handy. He's like, you're not going to need those either. The hotel we're going to has its own mini toiletries. You're going to be good.
Starting point is 00:56:33 Picard wraps it up with the Cardassians and Indians basically saying like the the Indians are going to live on the Cardassian side of the line and being their Cardassian jurisdiction. The Indians are going to live on the Cardassian side of the line and be into Cardassian jurisdiction. They have like this one dude at the top of their social hierarchy has unilaterally rescinded the Federation citizenship of everybody in the colony. And if he's cool with that and the Cardassians are cool with that, I'm cool with that. What the fuck, Ben? Picard has got such a short memory. He was tortured by Cardassians almost to death. What does he think is gonna happen here? Everyone on the
Starting point is 00:57:14 camp is going to be murdered in like a week. They're all dead. I think that fucking treaties got to get rewritten. That's the issue. This is the hue thing like Picard thinks that hue is like sending Hue back is gonna be just as good as genocide in the Borgs and he's thinking this this rag tag group of Native Americans is going to Somehow make the cardacians feel like they they should not Genocide them off this planet. They now own he has a lot of faith Like for a pragmatic captain figure. He has a ton of faith in the goodness of people that really is not earned by the people he's giving it to. The button on the episode is Wesley with a vanishingly small amount of lugging,
Starting point is 00:58:01 beaming down to go be with the traveler and Picard and Beverly wishing him a duet. a big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big And and totally does not I don't even I hardly even remember that scene does he even does he even bring up the traveler? Is it insurrection or nemesis where he's he comes to the wedding? I can't even remember. I don't know either. I don't think he has anything. I don't think he has lines. It's so fucked up like. The first thing I would ask Wesley about if I were to see him again is like, what's up with you and the traveler? You must have seen some crazy shit. In a lot of ways, he was the star of the show in the first season. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:58:54 Like, he was like our proxy character. It seems like if you wanted to get weird with a final start track the next generation film. You could really, you could really make Wesley the underpinning of that and whatever the fuck the traveler did do him. He traded his black leather mask for a gray nylon one. You know, like you could make the argument that he sort of gets Anakin here by the traveler. Like he has all these mysterious powers that they do nothing to conclude story-wise. He just goes off and does his training.
Starting point is 00:59:32 It's totally unresolved. It's weird. Did you like this episode, Ben? I did, Adam. It's fun to watch as an episode and maybe more fun as an artifact of the time it was made. Oh, interesting. Then like a just good episode of television. But it is interesting to see it kind of like, you know, like the story moves and it's, and it like there's a bunch of interesting scenes
Starting point is 00:59:58 and like well, many of them are creative failures of one kind or another. I think it like, it held my interest in it and made me think a lot about what ways social more days have evolved and like in what ways this episode was ahead of its time and in what ways like this episode is dated and shitty. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:00:20 What is interesting to me about this episode is the degree to which the story might be related to Will Wheaton's relationship to the show. I mean, I don't know a ton about this, but I do know that Will Wheaton was dissatisfied with his role on the show and did not necessarily get along well with the the cast of it and sort of acted his way off of it. Like, he wasn't a joy to be around for a time and then he left. And I wonder to what degree the story of him leaving the show the first time around informed the storyline for this episode informed the storyline for this episode and the idea of his redemption in it. The Crusher curse. Or the idea of him able to conclude his story on better terms.
Starting point is 01:01:14 Or I mean better slash open terms. I wonder how many regrets Will Wheaton has about the circumstances in which he left the show the first time. I mean, I really do think that that was a missed opportunity for him in the show. I think he could have been an instrumental part of it and his character could have had a lot of fun stories to tell. And we'll just never know what those were. But in that way, I find the story interesting, but the caricatures certainly don't help. And I don't know, like, in the same way that I find the travelers such an interesting figure and yet totally unmind as a story engine.
Starting point is 01:01:57 Yeah. So, yeah, I medium like the episode is what I'm saying. Ben, do we have any priority one messages that we might like a little more? Oh, we sure do, Adam. Priority one message from Starfleet coming in on Secured Channel. I need a supplement on this. A supplement on? A supplement.
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Starting point is 01:07:55 Ono Ross and Kerry, available on MaximumFun.org. Hey Ben. What's that at him? Did you find yourself a drug Shimoda? What's that? That's that's that's that's taken a hit from the campfire. Just sounded like doing old man. My drunk Shimoda is wharf in that scene where he is yelling at the colonists like, we're doing this for your own good. And they break out the phasers and start blasting away. Worf's job there is definitely do whatever you can. Worf's job there is definitely do whatever you can to deescalate. But if you look closely, he actually shoots one of the cardassies.
Starting point is 01:08:54 That's so great. Yeah. Like I don't know if it was like a mistake that the people doing the comping did or like a grito shooting first, like maybe this is something that they snuck into the HD remaster, but like it goes by blink and you miss it, but like warf definitely center masses, the Cardassian that they're trying to take into custody when the fighting starts. I don't know, man, if I had to shoot a Cardassian, I would probably shoot him in the dick.
Starting point is 01:09:26 That's the only spot that doesn't cover with that body armor, right? Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. Just crack enough dick shot. Did you have a drunk shimata? I did. Ben, poor deenatroy. Ha, ha, ha.
Starting point is 01:09:40 Is given the two tall task to speak credibly about the Pueblo Revolt of 1680. Are you familiar with the Pueblo Revolt of 1680? I am. A historical event that she should know nothing about. But while she's at the Muglofflin Group with Picard, and the old man is really given Picard the business about his ancestors W slash R slash T relocating the old man's ancestors. He's like, yeah, Picard, what do you know about the playable revolt of 1680?
Starting point is 01:10:18 Picard's like, I don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Troy's like, um, actually, I know all about that. Exposition, exposition, exposition, exposition. There is no fucking way, Deanna Troy knows anything about that. And yet she basically delivers story to camera in that scene. I just think both of the things didn't give that line to Riker. Yeah. Not, I mean, Troy need something to do, I guess, and this is it.
Starting point is 01:10:47 So that's my drug, Shimoda. Like how many takes did this take? This is probably a one or a right? Yeah, just say it and get on with it. I'm moving on. Yeah. What do we have coming up on the next episode, Ben? Next episode is season seven episode 21 first born.
Starting point is 01:11:04 A mysterious family friend arrives to help transform Warf's reluctant son, Alexander, into a warrior. Do you remember this episode, Adam? I think I sort of lost the memory of this episode to time. I don't know. Like, this is every other Alexander episode. Warf wants Alexander to be a warrior. Alexander wants to make clay astrays.
Starting point is 01:11:26 That's the central conflict to their relationship. This is one of those. I really have no, that description jugs nothing in my memory. Yeah, this is every Alexander story. Like, why do they feel the need to give Alexander a bottle episode in season seven? This is terrible. He doesn't deserve this. The traveler should have taken Alexander too. Gotta wrap up every little storyline, Adam. Yeah. Yeah, well gotta watch it.
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