The Greatest Generation - Wesley's Chick Magnet (S2E10)

Episode Date: May 25, 2016

When Wesley meets an age-appropriate romantic partner, Picard is put in a foul mood. To make matters worse, the Enterprise’s 5 star Uber rating is at risk. While Worf and Dr. Pulaski have both met t...heir match in a mean old lady, The Boy is going on dates and offering chocolate to his new friend, but she has a secret second ‘look’ that might be a deal breaker. Is Guinan the ship’s best counselor? Did the Sand People from Star Wars do VO work on this episode? Is Salia one of the aliens that left a big pile of Armus on Vagra II? It’s the episode where Wesley learns romantic karate from the masters.

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Starting point is 00:02:42 I'm your host Ben Harrison. I'm your other host, Adam Pranica. It's really a show about manipulation at this point. It's a show about manipulation, and that's just like really abandoning our dignity in every way we can think of. Yeah, it's true. It's true.
Starting point is 00:02:59 We were told from the start, look, you guys need to stop being so embarrassed about doing the show. You need to embrace being so embarrassed about doing this show. You need to embrace how nerdy and awful you are. It wasn't even about being embarrassed about the show, more people were concerned about just our well-being and like how we actualize ourselves. Like, and so that's nice.
Starting point is 00:03:19 Which is surprising, given what insufferable fucks we have presented ourselves to be here. Yeah, yeah, I don't know why people care about us at all. It's kind of baffling. Hey Adam, I thought I might open up another pack at a Star Trek cards. What do you think? Have we turned into Star Trek presence cast? Yeah, we definitely stole this out of the Routeric Playbook, didn't we? Yeah, I guess so.
Starting point is 00:03:45 Yeah, go ahead and tear one open. What's cool is there's only three cards inside, right? So it's not like a long thing. I think it's five, but... Well, fingers crossed for a biffie-yager. Oh, it'd be so great. Okay. I've got one for an episode called Dark Page, and it's got a wolf sticking its head out
Starting point is 00:04:07 of the turbo lift. It looks like. Okay. Don't remember that one, but I see the word locks on us several times on the back of the card, so I'm going to put that right down. Probably won't see that one. I've got one for Data's Day. Do you remember that episode?
Starting point is 00:04:25 Barely. Yeah, that's good. I think that it actually kind of is a call back to the episode that we just watched, where he's writing a letter about what his day is like to Commander Maddox back at the Dastram Institute. But the boy, the card is real weird.
Starting point is 00:04:45 It's like a cat's eye rising like a moon over a rocky landscape with data standing in front of it, kind of silhouetted against it. So are these like artists' interpretations of the episodes? Or like what you're describing doesn't sound like a screenshot, right? Yeah, it's sort of like, it's sort of like what the criterion collection poster would maybe look like if they were releasing these episodes on On DVD which they never would yeah
Starting point is 00:05:17 Oh, here's an interesting one for time squared, which I believe is like two or three episodes away from which I believe is like two or three episodes away from now. So the cards retain their predictive power to some extent. Your Gypsy Star Trek cards. Yeah, a lot of these are just for episodes. So, oh, here's one for Skin of Evil. Oh, nice. Yeah, it's got like Tasha Yars face
Starting point is 00:05:43 in kind of a screen print looking Design and then it's like dripping black goo at the bottom. Oh the card is dripping Just the just the design at him the card is a piece of cardboard. Oh, that's too bad. I was hoping it would be like Like moist a little bit I was hoping it would be like moist. A little bit. Maybe if I weep openly on the card, it'll release some goo. There's nothing quite as devastating as the idea of a man alone in his apartment, opening Star Trek cards silently weeping.
Starting point is 00:06:21 That's like what I can actually come up with something slightly more devastating, which is a man not alone in his apartment. His wife downstairs in your shot while he sits upstairs weeping about Tashiyaar. She's like, I so look forward to the weekends. It's when we can spend time together. And you're like, sure, except for the hours I spend recording and editing Star Trek podcasts. Oh boy, I only say that because I know the feeling quite well. Now tell me truth, you don't deserve to wear that uniform. Let's head right into season two, episode 10.
Starting point is 00:07:08 The episode that inspired the movie, Shallow Howl. I can't even pronounce the name of this episode. Ben, can you? Yeah, so the episode title is The Doe Fan. What does that even mean? That is the French word for the prince who will take the throne when the king dies or abdicates. So the doffin is like the heir apparent.
Starting point is 00:07:34 The vice president. And there is a feminine form, the doffin, but they chose to use the masculine form here for some reason. Hmm. I don't know why. Well, that's the sort of foreign language trivia you only get on the greatest generation program. Yeah, you think that Mission Log is talking about
Starting point is 00:07:56 trivial French nobility type shit on their show? Yeah. No. They're like the McDonald's of Star Trek podcasts. Yeah. We're like're like the McDonald's of Star Trek Podcast. Yeah. We're like the McDonald's dumpster of Star Trek Podcast. We're like the chicken cordon blue that you can get at McDonald's of Star Trek Podcast.
Starting point is 00:08:16 So the enterprises are arriving at a planet called Dalid 4 and they're like, boy, what a dump. They start scanning it. It's dallet for and they're like, boy, what a dump. They start scanning it. They're like, why would anybody live here? Nice house sitting job you got here. This place is a dump. And so two things are going on.
Starting point is 00:08:39 Jordi is eager to get some sweet warp drive maintenance underway. So he's radying up to the bridge asking if he has He is eager to get some sweet warp drive maintenance underway. So he's radiating up to the bridge asking if he has permission to get that started. And they are picking up some dignitaries. This is another, the enterprise has to get some stuff from point A to point B episode. I feel like we've had like half a dozen so far in this season already. Just ubering around.
Starting point is 00:09:07 Yeah. I mean, the amount of scarves there, Ernie, has got to be pretty awesome, but... Sure. Sure, but it's not supposed to be like a main job. It's supposed to be a side job. Right. This is a way to like pick up some extra money on the weekends not not your career right right They're supposed to be seeking out new life and new civilizations not
Starting point is 00:09:31 boldly Ferrying people from place to place Boldly going after that five-star rating The person they're picking up is this princess, Celia, who is the head of state of a planet. What's the planet called? I don't even see it. Uh... Oh, they aren't arriving at Dalette for. They're like picking her up and taking her to Dalette for it. Oh, they aren't deriving it, Dallet for. They're like picking her up and taking her to Dallet for it. That's where I get confused. Right. Boy, I'm gonna, we all of the shit
Starting point is 00:10:14 we just talked about mission log, I have to retract. Like, they would never have made a mistake like this. You know what's great, Pod is us just doing research on the fly. That's what it's like. It's fucking fantastic pod. Anyways, they get on their radio. It's kind of an older woman's voice. And she asks what race they are. And they're like, they're very nice about this. They just tell her, you know, they don't like take offense and go like,
Starting point is 00:10:42 what difference does it make man? We're a post racial society. Yeah. Like, and a little like normative for them to say human because there's at least three non-humans on the bridge at that time. We got data, we've got wharf, and we've got Troy who is only half human.
Starting point is 00:11:06 So kind of a strange, I guess, I guess Reikers just speaking for himself when he says that. Did they say humanoid or specifically human? I think they specifically said human. Oh no. Well, it's too bad. But this seems to satisfy the voice of the lady. So they beam them up and it's like a nice look and 16 year old girl and like a lady
Starting point is 00:11:35 in waiting from Robin Hood level old lady who is her governess. Right. Who we've got here is Celia. That's the younger woman who's got real like Live Tyler vibes. Oh yeah, she's definitely like Low-rent Live Tyler. Sure, and her handler,
Starting point is 00:11:56 Anya, is her counterpart, sort of her bodyguard. You might recognize Anya's voice because it is also that of Gozer the Gozerian from Ghostbusters. What? Yeah, I know. No way.
Starting point is 00:12:11 Something sounded super familiar about it when they're communicating with them from orbit and you don't see them and you just hear her request for what aliens they are. Yeah. It's totally Gozer. Good pull. Yeah. Well, she asks them if they are? Yeah. It's totally gozer. Good pull. Yeah. Well, she asks them if they are gods.
Starting point is 00:12:29 Are you a god? No. Then... ...just... So they're getting kind of escorted around the ship to the quarters that they're going to be staying in and who's walking around in the hallways with a with a magnet that he's supposed to take the engineering but young Wesley Crusher One could argue he's carrying a chick magnet. Oh nice one nice one There's definitely a moment where Celia is either looking at the magnet or the knuck that Wesley is rocking in his
Starting point is 00:13:07 You know refit uniform. He's really knucking out. Yeah, but she definitely like she likes what she sees Much in the same way that I as a 10 year old boy did She takes a quick shine to young Wesley Crusher when you went to summer camp, did you carry around a magnet with you also? I definitely pulled my pants up pretty high. I got to do that. It was the 80s. So, she's off down the hallway with Worf and her governess, Anya, and Ryker kind of makes a point of hanging around in the hallway as Wesley sort of collects
Starting point is 00:13:47 his jaw up off the floor. Commander, who is she? Like she's a governess. No, the girl. Riker's keeping his options open. Doesn't necessarily want to let this one go yet. So he tells Wesley, like she's not going gonna have a lot of time for you, buddy. She is gonna be ruling a planet pretty soon.
Starting point is 00:14:09 So maybe you don't waste a lot of time on her. That's hilarious. You interpreted that scene way differently than me. I saw it as like a level of riker aloofness that was like sort of the job of the second in command is to do a lot of walking people around the ship and, you know, they're probably all the same to a certain degree.
Starting point is 00:14:31 Like, Wesley kind of hit him up for some info. Like, what's the 4-1-1 on our girl, Celia? And Riker's like, yeah, I don't really know. Like, she's some girl from some place and we're taking her to a different place. Why do you ask? I just sort of like put it off as- I can't even believe that you would take the position
Starting point is 00:14:51 that Ryker has not noticed that there's an eligible bachelor at on the ship that he might be able to divert some of his energies toward. Each time I try to look at this show innocently, I get dragged back into the muck so Clearly I was mistaken gutter gutter Adam yeah, Celia is clearly a target for riker. Yeah
Starting point is 00:15:24 I'm not going to type it a ramble on about something everyone knows. They're not making super great time because Jordi is still working on this warp drive maintenance project and Wes is holding him up because Wes goes back to his quarters and actually has Commander Data come down from the bridge so that he can ask him about what's up with so yeah. And Data is like just getting into sort of like laying it all out for him when Turdy gets on the radio. And it's like, Wesley, what the fuck, man? We need that goddamn magnet.
Starting point is 00:15:52 Yeah, it's weird. Like, it needs to be hand-carried. It's like the size of a little football. And they can't just send it through the series of tubes or whatever around the ship. Uh-huh. Or beam it. Is this the first time we've seen the inside of Wesley's apartment, too? I guess so.
Starting point is 00:16:11 Yeah, I mean... It really has got like upscale orthodontist waiting room vibes to me. I feel like a... Wesley's bachelor pad is like pretty on point. Where's the Jim Belushi poster? Yeah, they doesn't have like an ironic teenage mutant in Jeterdals poster, he doesn't have a Lamborghini poster. You know what's awful about what I just said
Starting point is 00:16:38 is that I said they're wrong, Belushi. I meant John Belushi. But what's hilarious is that Wesley would actually fuck that up and he would have a picture of John Belushi, but what's hilarious is that Wesley would actually fuck that up and he would have a picture of Jim Belushi from like what was that fucking CVS show he did like oh, I can't remember. Yeah edit that part out But yeah, like he would totally have a Jim Belushi So there's a lot of talk about these these guests that have on board. One point Troy speaks up to the captain. She says they look like innocent,
Starting point is 00:17:10 dewy, young, new-bile girl and her crotchety old governess, but they don't read like that on the mind wave. Her dusty old bodyguard. So they're like, they're getting a little uneasy. They do a lot of like going FaceTime directly to the two Silia's quarters and Picard is like, what about you guys get a tour of the ship and Silia's like, that sounds great. But then when Warf shows up to lead the tour, Anja's like, Silia can't come. And Warf finds up getting a lot of FaceTime with Onya
Starting point is 00:17:46 despite the fact that he expresses very early on that he finds her extremely distasteful. I doubt if anything ever meets with that woman's approval. So here's how the episode basically unfolds from here. There are fun and games with Warf hating Onya and Wes going around asking different crew members for advice for macking on chicks. And the first person Wes asks is Worf who, you know, breaks down the Klingon mating
Starting point is 00:18:16 ritual which is as we've already established, hilariously violent. Worf, is this your idea of sex? There's a pretty funny scene where Wes is asking Jordi for advice. His advice on marking on chicks, and Jordi is like out of there. Like the second Wes starts asking him for a serious advice for talking to women.
Starting point is 00:18:36 Jordi's like, I'm busy, gotta go. Jordi's like, I don't know. Like you just stare at them for a long time. You just call them over and over again. You make a holographic simulation of them and fall in love with that instead of the real them. First, you make a giant model ship that takes you like 10 years to build. Look, this is easy, Wes. Stop wasting my time. And then the most, the most disgusting of these scenes is when Riker and
Starting point is 00:19:07 Geinen put on a little play acting scene in 10 Forward, where Riker puts the smartest, most letgerous moves on Geinen that I think we may be ever see in the whole series. Like this might be the defining moment for Riker's character as, as somebody who claims to be able to smooth talk women. And what he does when we actually see him in action is so fucking horrible. I love this scene so much. It was like watching two champion tennis players just rally for, for like five minutes. Like they are just shooting dialogue that could forth in like such a charismatic way. I dug it. I was not creeped out by it at all. I thought
Starting point is 00:19:52 it was hilarious. Well, here's the question. And I sort of like in retrospect thought about and thought about it in a different way. What is your read on what they're doing? Are they A, doing an honest depiction of what it is like when they, two of them are in a bar looking to pick somebody up, or B, where they kind of putting one over on Wesley and playing a practical joke on him? This is how you pick up women. And you're inviting me in and that's sending you away. That's more than I expected. Is it as much as you hoped?
Starting point is 00:20:26 So hope is to recognize the possibility. I had only dreams. Chimps can be dangerous. Not these dreams. I dream of a galaxy where your eyes are the stars and the universe worships the night. I absolutely believe it was B. They are enjoying it so much that they could only be making fun of Wesley to his face because look, like what Wesley's asking for isn't something that anyone else can give him. Like, there is no such thing as credible relationship advice when you're 16 years old or whatever.
Starting point is 00:20:59 Like, you go out there and you get your heart broken a bunch and that's how it happens. Right, and everybody tells you, like, oh, this is gonna suck, and you're like, and then you go and find out it really sucks. Yeah, and I think that's their way of dealing with Wesley's request rather than giving him the adult truth, which is, yeah, you just sort of get your reps and you figure out who you are and then you figure out who someone else is and maybe it works and maybe it doesn't. Like, that is not as satisfying as play acting a... Play acting a non-sex introduction to like a cinematics movie.
Starting point is 00:21:37 Like, it was so great. And like, I feel like both actors, I feel like Freaks and Goldberg in this scene. Like, they let the mask slip just a little bit. Like, I feel like you're seeing some real joy from them in this scene in a way that you don't see it in many other parts of the show. Like, I would have loved to hear the oral history
Starting point is 00:22:03 of this scene. I would love to just walk past Freak's Starwagon after they finish shooting it and watch it bounce up and down on the suspension. So squeaky. If this trailer's rocking, don't come in, I can. Oh, man. So meanwhile, likeurf is conducting his little tour of the ship
Starting point is 00:22:29 and Anya is basically, she's like a drill instructor in basic finding every little problem with how the platoon has done its bunk up. Get on your knees, Gunnbeck! Like, she goes into... She's full of an arctic. Yeah, when she goes into engineering, she's like flips out that Jordi is doing warp maintenance
Starting point is 00:22:52 and she's like, there's problems with the ship and he's like... I perform periodic inspections on all engineering systems. And she like obviously knows a lot more about warp technology than you might have assumed. So she goes up and like at one glance and knows exactly what the problem is that he's fixing. At some point they go into the sick bay and there is a big showdown with Dr. Polaski because Dr. Polaski is treating somebody for some
Starting point is 00:23:23 somebody for some minor rhino virus and Anya flips out at the possibility that Celia could be exposed to a contagion while on this ship. And it looks like it's just gonna be a great old lady fight but then. be a great old lady fight. But then... Like, they can both really go toe to toe in terms of unlikeability. I feel like Alaska might have really met her match at that moment. And wouldn't it like, I could think about it in the scene. So Anya, like suddenly morphs into a giant, you know, hose beast. She like hulks out into like the lead singer of the
Starting point is 00:24:08 country bear jamboree like she is giant. Yeah, and scary looking. And she's got googly eyes. Yeah, and I really just wished that Polassia had been like, oh no, you don't and hulked out herself. Like it would have been like it would have totally turned me around on Polaski. It would have explained so much about Polaski also. But what ends up happening is Warfest has to do battle with this Alasomorf that we have
Starting point is 00:24:41 come to understand that Anya is. And some dust buster club members come come showing up and Picard is there and he sees her morph back into her original form and she's like she kind of talks to him the way like a villain in a kung fu film would when she's like, my powers are much greater than you could possibly imagine. And Picard's like, yeah, I'm sure they are, but you gotta go stay in your quarters now. Fucking Picard is like, oh yeah, your powers are super infinite, but you still need a ride, don't you? Like, it's so fucked up. Like she carries herself like a total badass, but like, she's the
Starting point is 00:25:27 kid in high school who got into a fight at practice, but still needs a ride home from school. Like, I don't understand that at all. If your powers are so huge, get your own ride. Okay, one long, incredibly unbroken send and moving from topic to topic, so that no one had the chance to think the perfect was really quite hypnotic, not hypnotic, not hypnotic. So we should talk a little bit about Anya's powers, because we've sort of seen a bunch of scenes that go unexplained leading up to this moment where Anya is gone and there's like a hot second babe in the...
Starting point is 00:26:07 Yeah, good lord. And Siliah's room. Super hot. So like when Siliah's like talking about a boy, there's a hot second, there's like babe too, pig in the city going on. And then when she needs like somebody to hug, Anya turns into like a little hugable bear character
Starting point is 00:26:25 also with googly eyes. Yeah, they have to really, and you turns into like a little hugable bear character also with googly eyes. Yeah, you see, if they really, if you could turn yourself into anything, like why, why the googly eyes? Why not, why don't you get some straight eyes? Jailer's winds up having scary eyes. Yeah. So the crew is pretty freaked out about this.
Starting point is 00:26:41 Like what are we gonna do? Like this, this is not really what we bargained for in terms of fairying an old lady and a 16 year old girl from one place to another. Yeah, they're starting to get hip to that, so the idea that she's dangerous. Yeah, and she's talking shit to war, right? Like I went easy on you, man.
Starting point is 00:27:03 Next time I'm gonna totally go admiral Quinn on you. Yeah, not a lot of people survive their first encounter with that. Right. But like as all this is going on, Wesley and Celia are like going on dates and checking out the holiday and... Eating some chocolate? Eating some chocolate together. That sort of Wesley's move, like, present the chocolate.
Starting point is 00:27:29 Failing in chocolate moves. And to regret it, Celia is constantly dipping her finger into that chocolate. That's her move. It's a wonderful sensation. He always gives her chocolate and never gives her a utensil to eat it with. Kind of a shrewd move by him. Yeah, sexier that way.
Starting point is 00:27:50 She gets to watch her lick it off her finger. Yeah, you know you're with the wrong girl if she just like puts her face into the bowl of chocolate. It's the wrong one for you. You want that finger chocolate. There's a scene in Picard's Ready Room where he kind of asks Wesley to lay off. And it's clear that Picard is very sad that Wesley has developed romantic interest in somebody other than him.
Starting point is 00:28:18 But Wesley agrees and then promptly goes back to like making out with Celia in his quarters and stuff. So it's just kind of like ratchess the tension up until they get to Dalit for when. It's forbidden love. Yeah, the hottest of loves. And when they get to Dalit for like, Celia has a big come to Jesus moment where she's like, she's really tempted by the freedom
Starting point is 00:28:47 that Wesley enjoys living in the Federation. She has this onerous burden that she has to unite the factions in her planet and lead them, she's gonna have even less freedom than she did back on the dumpy planet that she came from and she's just like, she's feeling real stressed out about it. But Ania kind of talks her into, like this is what you were raised for.
Starting point is 00:29:15 These people are really depending on you and you gotta do it. So Siliya agrees. Ania announces that she is not going with her. She's gonna go live somewhere else. She's done her part for King and Country. And so, Sulea walks to the transport room to go meet her destiny. And as she's heading there, Wurf offers to take on you to the other transporter room.
Starting point is 00:29:45 You will be happy to see me leave. No, you are worthy opponent. It's a real game respect game moment there. Yeah, I thought that was a good, a good little moment. Hey Ben, we skipped ahead. We missed the part where, where Celia and Wesley kiss and then she's confronted by Anya. Oh, I should have.
Starting point is 00:30:06 And then he finds out that she's ugly. Right. So she can pull the same trick as Anya, turn into a kind of a D-Sand person from Star Wars a new hope. Right, so one of the scenes is that Celia sneaks out of her apartment while Ania is out on her ship tour with Wharf and and sneaks into Wesley's room and is like, hey, let's let's have some make-outs.
Starting point is 00:30:36 Sounds fun. And so she and Wesley get to making out and then his door opens and wouldn't you know it's Ania standing there and she is not happy. She's so unhappy she turns into the giant bear person. She's a wear bear. Yeah, they make the same noises as the same people in in Star Wars. And her aggression towards Wesley triggers that same effect in Celia. So Celia jumps up out of her seat and also turns into a wear bear. And they are ready to fight. And Wesley is like completely mortified at what it happened.
Starting point is 00:31:20 It's not that there's a fight about to go down in his apartment. It's that he just moments ago kissed the wear bear. Yeah. He's like spitting a spitting wear bear hair out of his mouth. Uh, gnarly. I think they got me, make it show. Make it show. Sylia is about to beam down to her new home and the planet that she has been destined to bring peace to. And she's really sad because she kind of ended on a bad note with Wesley.
Starting point is 00:32:00 And then he comes running into the transport room with another bowl full of chocolate and he says I brought you something to remember me by She dips her finger one more time and then she says thanks, Wes now you got to go because I don't want you to see my true form And he says oh, I'll remember you like this. Don't worry about that at all and he says that while her finger is in her mouth that at all. And he says that while her finger is in her mouth. So she turns into a being of pure light, which kind of looks like if, if a pile of poo had a ghost. Yeah, sort of like opposite armus. Oh, yeah, that's a good, that's a good call. Maybe these are the same aliens that left left armist behind. No, but they probably wouldn't be having this civil war if that's true. Yeah, that's right.
Starting point is 00:32:49 They left all their evil on that one planet. In that pile. So that's the end of the episode. She beams down and Wesley goes and hangs in the 10 forward lounge and Gynon kinda talks to him about what it's like to be in the new, this brave new world of grown-up love and loss. Yeah. Pretty heavy.
Starting point is 00:33:16 Yeah, super heavy. I think her little spiel in this is great though. Like, she kinda turns around and gives it to him him, gives it to him raw the way that she and Riker didn't before. He's like, yeah, it's going to, like, this will happen again and again and it fucking sucks every time. She could only ever say it after it happened though. Like that's life.
Starting point is 00:33:38 You know, you can't be told that this stuff happens. You can only go through it and then realize it when it's over. I think this was a Gynan episode. This was probably the most she's been a part of an episode from the start. Yeah, that's true. Kind of interesting that she is sort of taking over the role of ship's counselor at this point. Well, that's just what I was going to ask, is Gynan a better counselor than Troy? I think so. I don't think it's close. Well, we don't really like see much of Troy counseling and I think that there are episodes in the future that we'll be watching that we do see what she what she does on like a day-to-day basis, but I do think that a certain percentage of
Starting point is 00:34:26 the crew prefer to lay their problems on their bartender rather than on Troy. Yeah, I just think Gynon's great. Like, they intentionally keep her, I won't say underwritten, but they don't expose all of her backstory. I don't think ever really, like throughout the entire series and in the movies, you just, you get just enough so that she serves as a character utility for the stories that she's in. But God, I could watch an entire series about her. I think she's just great and fascinating.
Starting point is 00:35:02 Hint, hint CBS. Yeah, yeah, the Gainon show. That'd be awesome. I would watch that shit. Yeah, absolutely. Canonical Gainon. What'd you think? Did you like it?
Starting point is 00:35:16 You know, it's not like the best episode ever, but I thought it was a solid one. I think that like there are a couple of moments when it falls apart, like the alien costumes are not that great. Yeah. But it got to some real shit and felt kind of like they, they dealt with that in an emotionally authentic way, which is not the easiest thing to do
Starting point is 00:35:43 when you have like guerrilla monsters running around in an episode, you know? Yeah, I thought the price of admission was totally worth it with in-to-club practice between Riker and Guinein. I think that was one of the most funnest scenes for me that I've seen in the series. Yeah, that's a pretty iconic scene. It's totally rewatchable too, like, super fun. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:36:09 If you're a listener of this show and you aren't watching the episodes, that's fine. But like this scene is totally worth going back for. Because we can't really do it justice. No. Angelod, and Synodra, Domo Kringes, and Synodra, and Synodra, and Domo Kringes. Did you know that the actress who played Celia, Jamie Hubbard, is no longer an actress, she's a psychotherapist in LA? Whoa.
Starting point is 00:36:38 I'm wondering if her experience on the show just sort of drove her to that profession. I have demons, I need psychotherapy. If you move to LA, she could be your therapist. That could absolutely happen. Holy shit. Right? Are you looking this up? Yes.
Starting point is 00:36:59 Yeah, great, right? I love how in LA, it's totally normal for the person who is your mental health practitioner to have a headshot on their website. I thought the same. Amazing. Under her list of services is just the grocery list of areas of clinical emphasis. At the very bottom is entertainment industry issues. I want to know all about that.
Starting point is 00:37:28 Yeah. The craft services guy was a real jerk to me. I don't know how to process that. The second AD, Barged It Me for showing up two minutes after my call time. Oh man. What an amazing career to have in LA. I'm sure the story she hears are amazing. Oh man, I can only imagine. As you were watching, did you happen to come across
Starting point is 00:37:52 a drunk Shimoda? I don't know. Drunk Shimoda. I'd be curious to hear yours first. To me, look, I mean, one of the parts about Drunk Shimoda is that he's the person who's having the most fun. I don't know if anyone has had more fun than Commander Riker during a scene with Geinen. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:38:11 In 10 forward. Like, see, I wrote down Geinen for the same reason. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I could see that too. They're total equals in that scene. And they are like, Wes is like the guy who goes to the karate studio to learn karate and the master is like, let me show you what you're going to learn by taking some classes with me. And then proceeds to like demonstrate a 40 minute fully choreographed like karate scene
Starting point is 00:38:39 against another person. And all Wes can do is just watch Rikers, Rikers Club Karate and be like, there's no way I could fucking do this. Like, I will never be a master the way you are. Yeah, and then like, at some point Westley's like, guys, this is really weird and kind of just goes, shut the fuck up, I'm having fun. Yeah, totally. It is great. I loved it. Yeah, I'm having fun. Yeah, totally. It is great.
Starting point is 00:39:05 I loved it. Yeah, I mean, it's that scene, if a scene could be a Shimoda, but it is both characters in that scene. Yeah, they're co-shamotas in this episode. Absolutely. I am Lecuteus of Bored. You will respond to my questions.
Starting point is 00:39:20 I am Lecuteus of Bored. You are bored. What do we have coming up on the next episode? The next episode is season 2, episode 11, contagion. The Enterprise's computer system falls prey to a mysterious electronic virus, which programs the ship to self-destruct. Do you remember this episode, Adam? I do remember this episode, and I remember loving it.
Starting point is 00:39:46 We get some real destruction happening. That's I recall. They blow up another galaxy-class starship in this episode. And they come very close to being destroyed themselves. It's sort of a race, it's sort of like the 24 of Star Trek episodes. It's a race against time. Yeah. Yeah, this is one of the most memorable apps to me.
Starting point is 00:40:06 I'm stoked to see it. Okay, well, I'm gonna be vetoing it. Ah! Ah! Okay. That would be the shittiest way to use a veto. I'm not gonna actually veto. Except, you know, doing it towards someone who likes the episode only encourages the solo
Starting point is 00:40:24 job that it would end up being. Well, yeah, I guess it would be a reward. Yeah. Where you really wanted to come into contact with it. One of the problems with our little veto poll is that we're recording so many episodes so far in advance that we may not know the results of that poll until well after we've gotten them.
Starting point is 00:40:49 Well, I'm confident that by the next episode we will have a resolution. Okay. And I think you probably will move forward from that. Well, if you'd like to discuss this episode or any of the other episodes we've feebly reviewed, you can find us on Twitter at the hashtag greatestgen and you'll find me or any of the other episodes we've feebly reviewed. You can find us on Twitter at the hashtag GreatestGen and you'll find me on there at Cut for Time, Ben is at BenjaminR, A-H-R.
Starting point is 00:41:14 We should thank Dark Materia for our theme music and everybody that's left a nice iTunes review. I think we're like, man, we're up over like two 20s or something or two 30s something at this point. That's great. It's so many reviews. And the great thing is, they keep coming in positive. People saying that they think that the show is really funny and they really look forward
Starting point is 00:41:42 to it every week. And just really appreciate everybody that's said nice things in that public forum that helps other people find our show. Yeah seriously like that's that's some of the only feedback that we get if you're not writing and you're not reviewing then we don't know how we're doing so thanks for letting us know. Yeah well with that we'll be back at you next time with another great episode of Star Trek the Next Generation and also whatever this is. This awful job interview that is our podcast. A Greatest Gen Live Show is something you don't want to miss.
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