The Greatest Generation - Who You Callin’ Ogla? (VOY S2E2)

Episode Date: June 7, 2021

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It's a Star Trek podcast by a couple guys who are a little bit embarrassed to have a Star Trek podcast. I'm Ben Harrison. I'm Adam Pranika No My notes stop it things are going great already. It's on the live show. I look down the moment that I see my notes and see the jokes that I pre-write. That's the most humiliating thing to stream live. That's awful.

You showed your whole joke ass. I showed the whole joke ass. People have been thinking we're naturally funny for years. Having no idea how much of this is pre-written. Adam sits at his house with his writer's room. I sit at my house with my writer's room. We come up with tons and tons of jokes, and then we step to the mic, we throw them all out,

and it's notoriously a hostile workplace. It's like the Ellen show. It's awful. But that's because we think the writers should come up with better jokes for us. We are terrible bosses. Yeah. So what we're going to do on the show today is open up a bunch of mail. This is one of our classic code 47 mail calls. And as we've already alluded to, we are streaming it live. And if you'd like to see this stuff come out of the packages live on screen, follow the greatest Trek Twitch account, which still exists as of this recording. I have a huge pile of packages next to me. I think we're

gonna spread it across two different Marin Opens. And as everybody knows, we go small to big as we open things up. This is from Jackson Hill in Spring, Texas to Adam Pramika and Ben Harrison. And it's just a letter. So I'm gonna give it an open up. Always start with the letter. This looks like the the feet of a primate stamped onto this. Oh yeah, and it says Jane Goodall Institute on the back. Let me see, here we go.

Thursday, 25th of March, 2021, dear Adam and Ben, long time viewer and old. Who doesn't know how to work the Twitters and Twitches, but has sort of mastered Apple podcasts and left you five stars, of course. I still struggle to get Max Fun bonus feed on my list, but that technical issue is not your problem. I figured it out last year and we'll no doubt manage again this year.

Sorry, mind wanders. What I meant to say is, you boys are a delight and bring so much trek joy into my life. You apparently have been getting some grief these past few weeks and months. But shake it off, you are tremendously entertaining young men whose work makes the world brighter. And that pizza was rightfully yours. Keep up the good work. Love and hugs Jackson Hill. Wow. What a nice thing. PS Jackson, my pronouns are she heard and I am old enough to be your mother. So trust what I say. Oh, thanks Jackson.

PPS, sorry not to include a gift for you, but I haven't left the house in a year. Thanks for being my lockdown buds. Thank you, Jackson. I know the feeling. These are, in fact, the, uh, the footstamps of chimpanzees it looks like. You know, speaking of old enough to be our parents, Ben, do your, your parents recently, uh, came for a visit? Are they, are they still in town?

They're not. They, they headed home. They. I thought that they were going to stick around a little longer and they were like, hey, yeah, we actually sold our car and we're getting that electric car that we made you feel stupid for advocating we get. So they raised home on Wednesday, they sold their old car and on Thursday, they bought a new electric car. How about that? And it's like almost exactly the same car, but just the electric version of it.

Good job by them. Yeah, they did a good thing. And you were like, I don't care what you need to hurry home to buy. You should hurry home. Is that your reaction? No, I love my mom and dad. I was really glad that they bought that electric car.

Did they watch the stream? No, I don't think that they know what Twitch is. But my parents told me that they watch this and then I told them, Oh, never to tell me that, ever again. You know, they were trying to watch the destroy the Falcon 2 colon destroyer the Coliseum stream. I guess my mom was trying to watch the destroy the Falcon 2, colon destroyer, the Coliseum stream. Or I guess my mom was trying to watch it,

and my dad was like doing something to the internet and kept unplugging the router, and it was like a source of real conflict. So my mom was really mad that she didn't get to watch it. Like the air traffic controller in airplane, just. The wrong time to unplug the router. Yeah, I picked the wrong day to quit internet. That's great. This next one is from Alistair from Northfield, Vermont.

Dear Adam and Ben, hearing other a little bit embarrassed fans, Mach Trek has been a boi. And I'm hard to see the week. Your show first came out at a time I was having a hard time mental health wise. While I have been and continue to do much better personally, I appreciate your continuing commitment to making Dick and Fart jokes about this semi-optimistic future as it seems the world's collective mental health has been on the decline. When it's safe, I hope to make it to a future live show.

In the meantime, while I continue listening, maybe you'll convince me to finally watch Voyager. I've recently gotten back into making visual art. Please enjoy the enclosed token of my gratitude and illustration of Scotty and O'Brien. I'm calling the Beam team, suffering since 1966. That's so. I like that name. Thank you for your tongue-in-cheek compassion and awareness.

You are fucking spectacular. But where is the Scotty Drop? Wow. Live long in Prosper Alistair. Here is the art. That's pretty great. The Beam team, in action. That's pretty good.

It looks like it could be a tag. It looks like I could see it on a freeway overpass. It's pretty good. It looks like it could be a tag. It looks like I could see it on a freeway overpass. It's got the bubbly letters. I mean, about the letters, not so much the caricatures. Yeah. If I saw this on the side of a boxcar on a train going by, that is the coolest shit I have ever seen somebody tag.

That's fun. Consider Vandalism, Alistair. Oh, yeah. I've got fun. Consider Vandalism, Alistair. Oh yeah. Get a future in Vandalism. Alright, next package. This is from Dave E. in Sanford, North Carolina, to Ben and Adam. There's kind of a lot of paper here. There's a big, a big sheath of paper.

And a jewel case of some kind. Here is Dave's letter. Hi guys, as promised, your very own copy of Star Trek, Colin Klingon Honor Guard. Wow! It's already about the printed PDF manual I could not get a box copy of the game at a reasonable price, but I did want you to have all the backstory and character and weapon descriptions. This game was made in the era when you got beefy manuals with your game. Here's hoping you have a way to get it to run on your PC, looking forward to watching you guys play it.

PME or drop me an email if you're interested in some behind-the-scenes stories like the contract fund that explains why we ended up going with Kern instead of Warf in the game. And how I ended up getting past as Korak, leader of the Honor Guard at the last minute, and how the game designer, our two producers and I got to tour the Deep Space 9 and Voyager sets at Paramount after the game was released. Enjoy and thanks for the many, many hours of fun you've been asked to do greatest generation in the greatest discovery. Kaplaw, Dave Ellis, Dave worked on Klingon Honor Guard and did a voice in the game. People ask me for production stories all the time.

I cannot remember the answers to their questions. They believe I had something to do with the release of this video game, but as far as I know, I've been working in air traffic control This entire time Wow, look at the printed out PDF of the Klingon Honor Guard game I totally remember playing that game and and my memory it was like Duke Nukem for a Klingon or something Like it was very it was very run around from room to room slashing people. Were you terrified of Korrek, the leader of the Honor Guard? Still am.

Adam, it would be so fucking exciting to get cast as Klingons in a Star Trek video game. If you and I got to do voices for, like, I would throw out my ambition of getting, like, blown out an airlocked, do voices for Klingons in a Star Trek video game. I would do voices for Klingons in a Star Trek video game, only if I could wear a loaf into the sound booth. Yeah, that's how you get into character. They have to give you the loaf. And then, like, the passage of time, it's just, like, peeling off of me, melting off of my face. so melty. Yeah, yeah

This is one of those two disc jewel cases. I wonder if there's a second disc in here. Oh shit there totally is Wow, you know that's a two disc set. You know that's a that's a computer game that came in the fat case You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Oh, install this and game disk. Wow. We got to find a computer that runs Windows 95 at them and play Klingon, Kolen, Honor Guard. We're a Mac house. Man, how on earth are we going to find a Windows 95 machine?

Unless we go to any workplace in America. Ha ha ha ha. We got a contact our guy at the Apple business team at the Sherman Oaks gallery Apple store and say, hey, can you get us a Windows 95 box that can run Klingon colon honor guard. I bet they could make that happen. I just talked to that guy today I think so. Yeah, things are moving things are moving. Oh boy. Oh boy. I'm very excited. This next package came in from Canada. It's from Craig Heinrich in Horny Pain, Ontario. Horny Pain, Ontario. Thanks for giving that a second read. Yeah, a third read too. That's, yeah. Hornipane is, uh, God, takes me right back to college.

Really? Uh, our mutual buddy, Chris Bowman, comes from Burlington, Ontario, or is he calls it Borington, Ontario? I wonder what they call Hornipane, Ontario, if you're from there. Is it too late to make the Expert Shimoda official PO box a horny pain? address

Thanks so dear Ben and Adam greetings from America's hat I have been a friend of DeSoto for some time now and enjoyed the pod immensely and closed or some TNG comics that I recently acquired, the missing issues of. As a kid, I had at number 48 and 49 and I finally found the missing parts of this story. Ever since you reviewed the episode where we see the Enterprise and Riker from an alternate universe where the board won, I have been thinking that it would be, I would send these to you if I could ever complete the four issues set Who knows what might make a good greatest discovery special episode when putting this together to send my wife Caught me in the act. She says it's the nerdiest thing I've ever done

Oh, no amazing Great got caught you never wanted to cut during I, if you live in a town called Hornie Pain, you want to keep your wrap up as being Hornie and not nerdy. Wow, these are beautiful covers on these comic books. Wow. That's a real laryn in there. Got eye patch raker. Looks like on the right, the will riker you'd see at a buffalo wild

wings that guy's on his third picture B.D. of three riker he's there to watch all the college games starting to get a little fresh with the waitresses yeah the epic struggle begins Welcome to the worst of both worlds. Yeah. That rules so much. That is definitely what the title of JK Woodward's Mirror universe issue should be. Cool. Thank you, Craig.

Thanks, Craig. This one is from Jim M. in Melrose Ma to Adam Pranicka and Ben Harrison. Melrose Ma is Massachusetts. Okay, just wanted to double check that. It's a bigger box, starting to get into the bigs. Got a letter here. Dear Ben and Adam, I am sending you this Star Trek colon voyager writers Bible because the Bible studies drop makes me laugh every time I hear it.

Despite the official packaging, it appears to have been hastily laser printed by an intern at Paramount. I got it from some guy on eBay. Who knows what it contains. Also, I'm including a sampling of local crushable brews to entice you to come back to Boston whenever you go on tour with greatest Gen Con 3, Colin Star Trek 4. The whales? That's great.

Shout out to my buddy Matt L. who introduced me to your fine program. Matt and I have been friends since the days when TNG season three was first hitting the airwaves. Love the show. You guys have kept me laughing throughout the coronavirus. Here's to many more years of Baroque anonymism. Wow. That's the one of the funniest two words you've ever put together on the show. That still makes me laugh. I'm really excited about this show Bible because I was thinking about how sad I was that Bible study hasn't been a marion lately. Wow, look at that thing. That looks way better than the description. You said it was some admin printing out something on laser printer paper. That looks official. Here's what's inside out. It's a box. It's like a box with laser printer paper inside of it. Wow. A certificate of limited edition. It's like how a spy conceals a gun. Like the pages just carved into a gun shape. This is literally like a packet with a staple at the corner. Yeah. Wow. Which of the Voyager characters are Pecs Bad Boy?

I'm betting Tom Paris, huh? This is the Writers and Directors Guide first season version. That's great. I'm glad we finally have that. Okay. It does seem like a real thing. We have some descriptions of the Voyager, the Mayquees. Yeah, this is great. Description of Chicoote, the Mayquees. Yeah, this is great.

Description of Chicote, your favorite character. Oh, yeah. Tear that page out and throw it in the trash. So that belongs. Nielix and Kess are one heading here. That's interesting. Yeah. Wow.

Amazing. Amazing. I did to do the Bible study again. Yeah, it's been too long. Too long! Yeah, I miss Boston too. How excited are you to go back to Boston? So excited. We have some beers here. Hey!

Oh, this is a hard citer. I'm very excited about this. A mass appeal hard citer. And a whirlpool, New England pale ale. I'm very excited about this. Oh, good. A mass appeal hard cider, and a whirlpool, New England pale ale. Yeah. That's, that's hopefully a nice crushable pale ale for Adam. I don't want anything darker than pale in my fears anymore. That's it.

You've really turned away from the dark side. I have. I have completely. Okay, last box in the pile here, and this is a big one, Adam. I'm gonna hold it up for people to see. Pretty heavy? Oh, it's fragile too, huh? It's heavy, it's fragile.

It's got a strip of yellow tape around the outside that says, Uxbridge, Sermota, LLC. Yeah. This is from Daniel B. An East Greenville PA. We got one from mine, one from PA. Was that East Greenville? Yeah.

Is that near East Town? Is it near East Town? I don't know where anything is in PA. Other than... Oh, you there. Philly, Paelian, and Pittsburgh. Those are the places I've been in Pah. Yeah. Well this is one of those, there's a, there's packaging and then there's just an interior box that I'm gonna have to negotiate getting out.

There you go. That's what keeps the box from smelling like feces. Yeah, and we should remind people that the Bill Tilly rule is in effect. Always. Anything you send to the PO box that is gross, we will forward in the mail to Bill Tilly's house. And Bill Tilly is the nicest guy in the entire world, so you'd really regret it if you sent something nasty to him. Yeah, try to imagine Bill opening anything you send us.

That's the rule. We don't want to do it. We don't. No, but that's the rule thing nasty to him. Yeah. Try to imagine Bill opening anything you send us. That's the rule. We don't want to do it. We don't. No, but that's the rule, and he agreed. Yeah. Actually, he didn't agree. We just told him that that's what was going to happen. That's a condition of his employment.

Right. All right. What do we got here? Mantue still works. Wow. Adam and Ben slash Ben and Adam. I wanted to send a thank you to the whole Uxbridge Shymota family for helping me through tough times.

I spent the early months of quarantine distilling whiskey, mostly alone in a small craft distillery in southeastern Pennsylvania. To cope with all the stress and loneliness I was lucky to fall back on the comfort of my pair of socially distant relations, ship with the shaped with the expert Shimoda family of products. In addition to copious amounts of canar, clinging on blood wine and cocoa nonos. As a token of my gratitude, I'm sending a couple of bottles of barrel-aged apple brandy

and four grain whiskey finished in used mezcal barrels called scorpiones. Okay. From what I have gathered about your respective tastes, I think these spirits will be tier liking. Hopefully, when the show gets back on tour, we can get more enamored and filly. Cheers from my house to yours, Dan B. PS, the Scorpiones make a great poloma or margarita.

PPS, this is my third attempt at sending this package. Apparently FedEx will not deliver packages to a PO box. These bottles have crossed the country five times now. Whoa! PPS, ends in row. Skisiumed. That's a hell of a combination. That is amazing. Show us those johns. I'm going to get these johns out.

No way. This is a, it's keying out a little bit in the, in the visual here, but this is the Apple Brandy. A beautiful, a beautiful bottle for Manto A still works. I will never see a sip of that because it went to Ben first There's two of them this there's two there's two Apple Brandies you'll get you'll get your sips All right, Ben Ben the chat wants you to try some on the show. I think this needs to happen make it happen Okay, fair enough take it to the dome This is like professionally

packaged. There's a little like poll tab here. Those bottles have platinum delta status. They really do. Wow. Hmm. Oh, it's piss. It's piss. I'm just kidding, it's actually really delicious. I think it's very telling that if it were piss you'd still swallow it down. Yeah, I take after my boy Julian Bashir. Dirty, dirty piss boy. This is a delightful this is a Delightful Apple Brandy. I'm for sure going to be pouring them into a snifter later tonight as a nightcap.

Wow, thanks a ton for sending us booze. Dan, this is amazing. I'm sure you squandered a fortune on all the shipping costs, which is something I'm no stranger to, having recently squandered a fortune trying to ship a bunch of old tour merch to our fulfillment center and sending it to a fulfillment center that no longer exists. Cardaddy's in the chat saying that he and Rob's get to play in the boxes that our booze

comes in. Taking great umpriced with the idea that you and I get the bottles and they get the boxes. But I mean to tell you, Bill Tilly, when we go to Star Trek Las Vegas together, you will receive the full benefit of the poolside cabana. Your money's no good at the hoof stand, you know? Yeah, your hoofs are on us forever. As well as anything in the cooler by the pool. Well, Adam, what do you say we get into the episode

we came to talk about here today? It's Star Trek Voyager season two, episode two, initiation. Breaver, of course. Unless you've got something a little bigger in your torpedo tubes, I'm not turning around. There's a rule that I thought that everyone on Star Trek had agreed to by now, which is no solo shuttle missions. And this is by far the stupidest reason for Chico De De Be alone in a shuttle ever.

We are so far away from home. There are no conferences to go to how are we going to get single officers into this kind of jeopardy. They were right not to put this conversation on screen because the idea of Chico Te asking Jane way for privacy. No more privacy. No. Even more privacy captain. I want to be in a shuttle and I want to be far away from you. Speaking of shuttle jeopardy, do you remember that episode where Jordy is like hanging out on the shuttle and he's like telling the computer what kind of music to put on when the- I think of it every day. When the warbird declokes in the view screen behind. Yeah. That's the other side of the Sunvisor, the design bed.

Exactly. I would kill to have this episode, like an alt opening of this episode of Chico De Big like, computer spiritual music, and it starts playing like, choral music from a Roman Catholic church. Yes, yes. playing like choral music from a Roman Catholic church. ["Must Be a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a a mellower and then it plays the pan flute music listening to here. And then just the

case on ship you know shows up right in front. Mr. Chicote, if you need privacy for your masturbations I suggest you use the holodeck like Mr. Paris. I was it possible that your Janeway is getting worse. Yeah, it's awful. It's awful. I should retire my Janeway impression. It's so bad. I like it. I don't think our impressions have ever been good.

The thing that Chico Te is there to do all by himself and on a shuttle far from Voyager is to do the Pacra, which celebrates the anniversary of his father's death and the lives of an advisor that never should have been hired on Star Trek. Watching all of this go down is a couple of caesons on a caeson ship, and they're talking about, who you call an ogla? You pine conehead. They discuss who is going to be sent

to take care of this brazen violation of their territory. We should teach them the price of displaying their markings in our space. And they discuss sending car to do it. Cars got to earn his name, Adam. That's right. And in this scene, I think we learn more about the Kazon than we ever have through this context. Yeah. This is definitely getting into the Kazon lore in a way that we never have. They seem like undemesticated klingons, right? Right. Yeah, they feel like what would happen if there wasn't a strong imperial structure within the klingon empire?

Like if all the houses were just left to their own devices, kind of maybe what the different K's on sex represent. Yeah, it's true. There's definitely a familiarity there. And like a slightly more insane concept of honor, if that's possible. Yeah, and it goes right on down to their ship design. Like it looks like a ship of chains, just like any other Klingon ship, you know? It does, yeah.

They have the smoky interiors and a lot of the same Klinging. Would you mind telling me how iron would rust in space without oxygen? Chico-te ceremony is interrupted by a couple of bangers dropped on him by a Cason shuttle and it's shuttle on shuttle violence out here. Yeah, I feel like this Cason shuttle is doing that thing of like picking a fight with a guy at a bar and then he stands up and is like two feet taller than it. Because she co-, like this is Chicoote's Métier, like ship to ship dog fighting

is like what you do if you're a make-wease. And this shuttle fucks around and finds out. And it's a very fun combat scene, like the strafing run that the ship goes on is good. They're facetiming each that the ship goes on is good. They're facetiming each other during, which is very fun. Right, and we hear cars voice right away. It's the voice of Aaron Eisenberg, unmistakable.

Why have you fired on me? You are on K's on Ogla Space Federation. I was not aware of that. unmistakable. And, man, there are moments in this episode where it seems like maybe Carr is going to link up with the Voyager crew and come with. And I was like, man, what would that have been like

if Aaron Eisenberg had had recurring roles on both current Star Trek shows? That's a lot of loaf. For one actor to carry week to week. Could you imagine? Yeah. He accidentally shows up in the wrong loaf. You know, he's like, car is just inexplicably a forangi one day.

Why is the case on vessel so weak compared to the Starfleet Shuttle? I thought there was a weapons equivalence here, but it seems like Chicoete throughout this scene is like, don't make me do it, man. I swear, if I shoot you, it's going to be bad. And meanwhile, Cara is just shooting and shooting and shooting. I think that the case they're trying to make is that Cara sucks at fighting and that Chicoete is quite good at it. Much more so than that, the shuttle is like a way better combat vessel than the case on ship,

but that's not really well established. That's just head cannon. But I really liked the sequence. I love seeing the shuttle do the loop to loop, which is such an unnecessary maneuver in space. Well, that's actually related to my question, which is like, in space. Well, that that's actually related to my question, which is like Chico Te out strategizes car here in a way that suggests an equivalence in their firepower that like he needs to rely on that to survive in a way that he doesn't. Yeah. It's just flashy. It's just flashy, but he takes out the engines on the K-Zon shuttle and winds up having to order the computer to beam the inhabit of the shuttle aboard because the ship is going critical and he doesn't have a good sense that there's like an escape pod or any willingness by

the occupant to save himself. So Chicoete beams him over just before the shuttle explodes. And unfortunately in the firefight, Chicoete's shuttle is damaged to the extent that he can't reach back out to the Voyager. Yeah. It damaged a script tension building amount of equipment on the shuttle. Yeah, perfect. And back on the Voyager, we find an equivalent amount of tension between Nelix and Captain Janeway. Captain Janeway well-practiced at the art of damning with faint praise.

Because Nelix is in there to be like, I'm really feeling like a fifth wheel around here. Like, you could be using me a whole lot more. You're making significant contributions, Nelix. Captain Janeway's like, you're annoying and your food is bad. That's, you think you're gonna carry an A story of an episode? You got one a couple of episodes ago.

The fate is raised in the episode is what she says about the food. And like, I don't know, I was like editing an episode recently and I was like, are we being too hard on Nelix's food? Is that like actually a runner on the show or is that just me and Adam like speculating that it sucks? The look on Janeway's face is confirmation.

All the confirmation we need. He's specifically taken Umbridge with the idea of not being invited to a target practice session. Yeah. And he just wants to be invited to all the things. He doesn't have to go. I get this about him. I think in any ways I'm like this,

I just want to be invited. It's that precisely FOMO. It's like fear of missing access. Right. Right. On the bridge, the ship is ready to shove off, but they haven't received word from Tukote for six hours, which seems, but they haven't received word from Ticote for six hours,

which seems, it seems like it's a surprise to everyone involved that that much time has passed without your increment. It seems like it should have been someone's job to keep track of the one shuttle with their exo. Seems like maybe five hours ago would have been when to tell me about that. I Love the captain asking somebody have you tried hailing him like she is doing like basic computer IT repair guy

Questions like have you tried turning it off and turning it back on again? It seems like all shuttles should be a little bit like was Prepare a bully and launch a win ready. Warning boys. And emergency bully. A warning bully. Because when you go out there alone, if you're chico-te, it seems like there should be a little sonar ping.

And if that sonar ping goes away, you know your guys in trouble. But would the ping attract unwanted attention also? Right. Yeah. Because like when you're trying to communicate with your dead dad, you don't want to, you don't want to attract that kind of trouble. Right. And you know, like interrupts your pan flute music. It's like, it's like a rhythmic with the rhythm of the music. And it's like, ah, it's just clashing. It's really hard for Chico Deito to jack off out there. I feel like the writers of this episode should have been like, wait a second.

The stuff that we're putting in, like the cultural traditions that we're putting on the character of Chico De feel as made up as the cultural traditions we're inventing for the case on right now. And maybe there's something to that. Maybe we should double check the credentials of this dude that we are taking at his word.

I mean, I don't want to jump too far to the end, but I think the most criminal act that this episode does doesn't even have to do with that, with respect to Chico Te. Wow. Okay. Well, so Carr, the Aaron Isaac Bird character, kind of comes to on the floor of the shuttle and he's been put in wrist restraints.

Yeah. Why were those in the Bindle Chico Te? What's that about? You're going to do some kinky shit with your dead dad? What the hell? Though I am far from the bones of my father, I am chained up to this radiator. Though I am far from the bones of my father, I do have a happy. It's in this moment that the main case on ship approaches and Chicoete hails them to say

that he's got a 13 year old boy on board. Maybe that's not the first thing that you should tell a stranger when you're meeting them. Yeah. Also, that doesn't mean anything. Like years? What are you talking about, Chico Te? Now that we know about Kess, like let's not make any assumptions

about how fast people age in this part of the galaxy. Unvoyager, age ain't nothing but an ombar. Oh God. And like honestly, Chico Te is treated like he should be for saying something like that. It's radio silence. And then here comes the tractor beam. Yeah.

He gets, uh, he gets sucked up into this much bigger case on ship. These case on ships are scary. Like they are, they are big and powerful seeming. Like I don't love the design of the shuttle, but the, the the the the the Kazon mothership does seem really menacing like it's got it's got kind of star destroyer amounts of menacing. What? You know what's menacing about it to me is that like most friendly ships are wide and flat. Starfleet ships look like that, but the K-Zone ships are vertical and they cut like holes of ocean-going ships.

There's something in space that makes that look bad. They're also always shot from below, so they look really imposing. Right. They also look rusty. I think there's the coloration of them is threatening as well in an effective way. Rast. They look how they sound which is cheney. So Chico Te and Carr get kind of brought on board and thrown into like not quite a brig. Like this isn't a force field containment unit,

but yeah, they're both in trouble. And Chico Tei can't quite figure out why car is being subjected to the same kind of punishment that he is. It's a really confusing scene because they go into that dialogue pattern of like, what happened to car? And Chico T is like, well, are you talking about the shuttle because the shuttle blew up. Cars right here. And cars like, I'm car and my shuttle blew up. My car is just fine. That's

me. Car got a bit of a fender bender when the bangers got dropped on the shuttle. But yeah, this is a scene where we meet Haliz. He's one of the dudes that was discussing whether Carr was ready to get his name or not. And Haliz is almost almost can't look Carr in the eye. He's like so ashamed of what has gone down here. Carr Cars entire body and mood changes because rather than being relieved to be returned to his ship, he's terrified. He believes that his own people are more of a threat to him than anyone else.

And especially Chico Te. Yeah, he wanted Chico Te to kill him before they got beamed aboard. Just stay calm, we're gonna get you on here. Which of course Chico Te couldn't do because he's fully refer to it to Starfleet at this point. Like, there isn't an ounce of make-wease in him anymore. This explanation that Carr tries to give Helise kind of falls on deaf ears and then he pivots to wanting to talk to Razek. Razek seems to be like the headhuncho around here and that's

who Chico Te wants to talk to as well. It's one of these problems where Carr didn't get his honor out of the deal, and that's kind of a single point of failure situation for a case on. Like, if you fuck up your thing where you're supposed to go get the honor and earn your name, you're done. It's like, you get one shot. Do not miss your chance to blow. This opportunity comes once in a lifetime. They appear to be in the museum of finding out, also because,

they really do. Car goes from exhibit to exhibit, showing him all of the many trinkets of people who have found out over the years. It's tough because you can tell that he's really fallen out of favor because there's a security guard with a windbreaker and a neck roll in the corner. Card keeps stepping past the velvet ropes to show this bracelet

or this jacket and the security guard keeps going, please, sir, behind the rope, behind the rope, sir. I like this bit of trivia that your name changes as you accumulate battle experience. Yeah, that's the whole narrative that he tells us is like how this relic of a battle affected the name of the person that beat the person whose relic it was before. I will never earn my name in life or in death.

And I have you to think for that. We cut back to Voyager where they arrive at the last known coordinates of Chico Te Chuddle and they find debris from a shuttle battle, but it's inconclusive about whether or not this debris belongs to the shuttle they're looking for. But as they're discussing, this two-block picks up the eye on trail of a mystery ship. And boy, Paris just gets kicked right on the balls for high-foticizing, but it's the ship that destroyed Jacote's shuttle. But they followed anyway.

It didn't seem like a bad idea by Tom and Paris. All right, Captain. I'm just not going to speak up any longer. How about that? Do you want the ideas of your crew people? I'm making any sense here. I thought it was pretty fucked up the way TuVac got on that site-to-site communicator that he occasionally uses and was like,

Mr. Parris, you are a fucking moron. I mean, it's very telling that at the very end of the scene, like, Paris sits back down and he tries very hard not to cry. Yeah, you can. It's a really nice performance by Robert Duncan McNeil. You can see that he is really suppressing something. Yeah, that's too bad. He doesn't have to take that. It's fucked up. It's a very toxic work environment emerging on the bridge. And I think that what it starts to indicate to me is that when Chico Te is not there, these people start to go for each other's strokes. He's kind of like a moderating influence on the way they behave. We cut directly to the holodeck where Paris is at Chandrine's and just beating to death. One of the people in there with a pool queue.

Yeah. Yeah. Like just a savage. That older man that is the pool shark of the bar is just like spitting teeth out all over the pool table. Yeah. Yeah. The most fucked up part was when he took the eight ball

and he said scratch this and crushed the guy's skull in. Yeah, and he used that weird bridge stick like with the metal piece at the end. Oh yeah. Yeah. That's gonna hurt. Yeah. It's fucked up. Tom Parris has kind of a rage problem.

It's too bad they don't have a counselor Troy aboard. If you can't take it here, then you might think about a transport ship. There's a lot less pressure there. Back on the K-Zon ship, Razik has told Carr that he forgives him, and this seems like the biggest threat of all. Carr takes this like a death sentence. Yeah.

Forgiveness, not a nice word in the case on language. Now, and Kar keeps saying, like, the fault here is not mine. It's this federation guy. Like, he is playing by like a totally different set of rules. He used technology we don't have and a moral code that we don't have to undermine my ability to earn my name and Rezik gives him like a really scary kiss on the mouth Yeah, it did not like that. I know it was you Fred. Aaron Eisenberg was such a small guy

And the guy that they cast for Rezik is his I don't know if he's like huge But the way they shoot him, like they're shooting on this like very long lens that compresses the distance between them and also from like a really low angle in this kiss. So Rizik seems just like huge and imposing in the same way that the K-Zon ship does when they shoot it from below. Aaron Eisenberg might have been small in stature, but he's kind of jacked in this episode. He really is.

In a way that the rule is you never want to fight a person who has cauliflower ear, you never want to fight a short jacked person. Because they've been fighting a long time. Yeah, that center of gravity being as low as it is. Yeah. As threatening as the conversation seems to be between Razic and Carr, don't forget about Chico Te here who has laid back in the cut until the moment the scene ends where it's decided that the execution is tonight. I love Chico Te just trying to like reason with these people. He's like, hey man, I didn't realize I was in your territory. And if I'd known, I wouldn't have ever come here.

And they're like, too bad. Our territory changes all the time. And we never post updates to the internet. And he's like, so what are we supposed to do? It seems like Chico Tei might be John Rambo in first blood. He's just trying to get through hope. Mm-hmm. If Chico Teibo in first blood. He's just trying to get through hope. Mm-hmm. If Chicoote is in first blood, Teizle just tries to execute him in the first scene. You're gonna need one thing, Rizik, if you want to go up against Chicoote. A good a good supply of... extra pine cones, I guess. Right, got tickets that...

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Right, but we're in like the eighth hour of the study here, and BLT is able to tell Captain Janeway that it is a case on ship's debris that they have on board. I laughed at the sea because I thought it was very funny the way she kind of sells this as like, I have come to this conclusion in this incident. Uh-huh. Great timing. She's like holding the light over the thing, like presumably she's been doing this for a long time.

Like she has been like extremely carefully studying this thing or she was fucking around and not doing anything and she heard the captain was on her way down and she was like, uh, everybody looked busy and started to scan this thing. And it was like, this definitely is not a federation vessel. I think we know which is which because when the camera pans down to the station

and the computer screen, the computer screen has a question at the top that says, is the debris sample and then on one line it says orange and then on the next line it says silver slash gray. And as soon as BLT pushes the button for orange, the computer says it's K-Zone debris. It's one of the simplest heuristics in metallurgy. Yeah. Back on the K-Zone ship.

The K-Zone kidzo on board, go on a field trip to the Ticote Zoo and see a real live human there. There was a really intense moment when Riseek came aboard and first met Holes as his first officer. Riseek said, I've never been comfortable with having children

aboard starships. And Haleez is like, I'm sure we can find some really fucked up shit to subject them to. Like it's going to be fine. Well, have the murder aliens or something? I don't know. It'll be good. I really like this scene because it really

plays with your expectations. You think Chico Te is as the only human they've ever seen. Gonna make the case for being the gentle, unkillable soul that he wants to portray himself as. I'm a gentle man. But he is very unconvincing. All of these kids want to kill him. All of these kids have watched Star Trek Voyager up until this point. And know exactly what to do with the Chico Teh character. They are also being given an object lesson with Carr who has sort of stopped being K's on at this point. It's explained that Carr will never earn his name because of the failure to kill

Chico Te in space combat. And they all, like these kids all reach for the gun when Riseek offers it to them. They want to have the honor of being the ones to kill Chico Te and or Carr. And he's like nice try kids, but today is not your name day. I'm actually going to give this gun to Chicoetay of all people. He's given the gun to the hostage. I'm not supposed to, but I really like Razic as a character. And I think part of it comes from Patrick Copatric's performance. He speaks with the gentle intensity of a cult leader. And there's something so ominous about that that coiled snake nest to him. Yeah. It's big fun. Rezek Reneerie is a full name. Yeah. The thing that is so interesting about

the case on is how much they cannot imagine a world view outside of their own. Like, this comes back over and over again with car and with Rizeek and Holi's like, Chicoote has a little bit of diplomacy game and keeps trying to be like, this is not my perspective on this. And they're like, okay, but now you have to kill car so that he can die and we, you know, and doesn't have to live with all the shame that has accrued to him because of you. Chicoote is like, okay, thanks for the gun, dude.

It's now you are my hostage time. And they're like, what the fuck? What's going on here? We never anticipated that anyone would do something like this when we gave them a gun when they were our prisoner. I was surprised just how early on in the episode the escape happens. Yeah.

Because Chico Tei is like, come with me if you want to live to car. And then car kicks Razzick in the shins and then takes a phaser for himself. And then they escape in a shuttle, like they use a stitch of dialogue to cover over what happens during this elliptical edit because we cut to the shuttle. And it's Chico Tei shuttle. Chico to the shuttle. And it's Chicote shuttle. Chicote shuttle. And it's right, I think that this moment really makes the case for a car being worthy of whatever it is

that his people want in him. Like he thinks outside the box, he's like, like, like, like, like, like, he's double-crossing his own people and escaping with a prisoner. Yeah, but like, that's kind of the game with them, right? Like, it's not the same like extremely finite,

standard of honor that the Klingons have, but it has a lot in common with that. And cars ability to think outside the box in this moment and be like, yeah, I'm grabbing a gun and I'm going with this guy because he's my only shot at anything is very authentic to a Kazan who is a smart, you know. Yeah, I mean, at this point in the episode, it just remains to be seen about, you know, who's who's prisoner, which is a tension I wanted more of as the episode wore on. What we get instead is a chakote that doesn't want to return fire after being fired upon

by the main ship because he's a terrible moment. Adam, he turns the car and he says, listen, I don't want to kill anybody today. And therefore I shall not, even though my life is in danger. He's the worst. I don't get this at all, and it's not fun either. Return fire to Cote. You fucking cuck. I said they kind of bug out to an M-class moon

that is nearby. This moon is called Teroch, which I feel like if you're going to have Aaron Eisenberg in the episode, you can't call anything terroch something. Agreed. Yeah. There should have been somebody checking the math on these things. Just be like, no, it can't be called terroch. Call it a different space name. The space battle does not match with the dialogue in this scene because the shuttle's maneuverability isn't taking advantage of the K-ZON's non-maneuverability the way that Carr is describing because the K-ZON

ship is hitting every shot it's taking. What they should have been doing is ex-wanging around the Death Star that is the K-ZON ship. Save the loop shot for now. Yeah. That's what they should have done. That's what they should have done. Instead they did not do that and the shuttle is shot to shit. I like to see in the back of it all, all molten. Yeah. And they have to emergency beam down to the surface of this moon. We get just the briefest of interstitial scenes on the Voyager where they pick up more debris, beam of the board.

And then at that point, they definitely know it's from Chico Te Shuttle. Yeah, this one is as much easier for a tourist to figure out because it's got like the Federation logo on it. They basically just beam aboard the Bindle. And then that's it. And then she's like, Captain, I realized that I took a lot longer to come to the conclusion I came to with the earlier debris because now that I look at it, it's got Kazon logos all over it. And I, like, I should have done the math. We wouldn't have put Kazon logos all over our, our shuttlecraft.

Duh! My mistake! Perfect black, make it yourself. I'm trying to help you see this is an opportunity to grow. Make it yourself. Really fun take here when Chico Te and Cara wake up on the Vazquez rocks because Chico Te wakes up holding a phaser in his hand. morale is pretty low already at this point.

Cara and him really get into it. And their fight is kind of interrupted because from jump they have found themselves in kind of a training area where their hidden weapons systems throughout and Carr knows this place pretty well because he was there recently. This is where the case on Ogla practice their Cata and it's ricked. Like, there's guns everywhere and it's hot as hell. Cars kind of become Chico Dei's only chance because he knows his way around. He's down by law.

You wanna know how I know that they only had one take for the scene, Ben? Because there's a fly and a fly sound in the take, so they don't get another one. What? And if you want to live to become that wrinkled old man, you're going to have to do what I say. I was kind of love that though,

when there's like the natural world invades of production like this. I don't know, man. I don't know. I think you got to not use the fly sound and get another take. They've got to be layering that fly sound in though, right? Like they are.

That's not practical. They're doing it in order to forgive the visual, like they need to match it up. Yeah, you think about the way production works now and you can very easily use Adobe After Effects to get rid of that fly. And you might even, but I think it's kind of great that it's in there. All right, you convinced me the fly is the best part of this episode. Fly is cool. Yeah. I have a McLaughlin group back on board the Voyager. And the opening presentation is by Doc Hollode, who's down in Six Bay, where they have beamed all of the debris they've found. Yeah, but the doc hasn't found any blood or hair in it, so inconclusive are his findings.

This doesn't seem like something that you need Doc Hollow Day to determine. Like, just scan it for fucking organic compounds. Right. It's from this lack of evidence that the crew has put together a hypothesis that Chico Tay has beamed from their crippled shuttle to the moon, which is booby trapped all to hell. I was like screaming at my TV at this moment because I was like, we're having a meeting about going to this moon. Like we found the debris in an orbit of this moon. We saw where the shuttle was relative to the moon when it got destroyed, so we know that the moon is right fucking there.

It's an M-Class moon, just go to the moon. That's the first and last step. Then all of this dialogue is happening via voiceover in Tom Paris's head who is just like grabbing the end of the desk, knowing that he can't say anything for fear of the ball kicking machine. It's very funny, Seed, because Tom Perez is sitting in the seat that the captain is usually in. He's in that end of the table below the window seat, and he gets left in command, and

is probably just like, finally, some fucking sanity can be brought to bear on this problem. Finally, the captain is crawled out of my ass for an episode. Geez. Yeah, that's the plan. Janeway and Tuvac are going to go to the surface with Kess for some reason, leaving a very enthusiastic Nielix on the ship in case any Kesson ships approach topside. If there's going to be set tripping with K-Zone, he wants to be there for it. Paris is like, are you sure?

I mean, Nielix could really provide some needed morale boosting on the surface. Should you need it? I'll see to it. You're invited next time. Down on the planet, Chicoeté and Carr have found some Star Trek caves to hang out in. It's a good place to hunker down, I guess, because it's not as hot and shitty as the exterior on this planet. What kind of training planet is this

if they're not booby trapping the caves too? Yeah, it seems to me they didn't do a very thorough job of the boobies. Did you see the pile of glowing rocks in this scene? I did. Was that the same idea as in Star Trek 6 Cole in the undiscovered country when they make the like rocks campfire on the surface of Rura Pente? I bet that was it. Yeah. I was, I, I, anytime you're gonna make some

rocks glow for warmth, I want to see it. I mean, another moment that calls back that scene from from Star Trek 6 is when Carr says, I can't believe Razak kissed me. And then Chico Dei says, must have been his lifelong ambition. Yeah. Chico Dei is left-car armed and he's like setting his track order up as a homing signal and Carr is like, instead of calling your people here, maybe I should just waste you right now.

Yeah. Because like the thing I need to do is prove that I'm willing and able to kill you and I have a gun and you're just standing there like an oaf or as Adam would put it like a jump. I'm gonna go in on Chicoote again. Like I'm gonna, Chico Te better fucking get used to this, this episode because he talks about like in an effort to humanize himself.

When the very name is racist to car, he talks about cherishing his name and the uniform What? You don't give a shit about that uniform chico day give me a break I've been talking about you're rooting for clothes when you get right down to it I found this hard to I mean like chico day was a commander in Starfleet before he became a make-wise But he became a make-wise. Crucial. He did. Absolutely. And up until very recently, felt very strongly about that choice. Do you think that Chico-te and Calvin Hudson ever hung out at like a make-wease camp?

Calvin Hudson's so much more fucking cool than Chico-te. I don't believe it for a second. God, if Calvin Hudson was the fucking first officer on this show, that would be amazing. That would be incredible. Yeah. Yeah. This explanation by Chicoate doesn't make any sense at all, unless you believe that Chicoate is legitimately fearful for his life in this moment. And there's it's a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a but uniform is wearing. But it just rings hollow as it is right here. I think the thing I wanted was for Ticote to be like chess moves ahead kind of vibes with car. Like anytime car raised a gun Ticote saying, I disabled that weapon two scenes ago or something like that.

Because the point of car is that he is like an eager upstart that is trying to, you know, bathe himself in glory as his people define it by whatever action he is taking with Jicote. And he's tempted by this idea of like, I could just get away from all of those pressures by going with Jicote, which is an interesting tension to put in a character.

But if Jicote was holding all the cards all the time and any time card tried to like pulse some shit, instead of it being like a you and I are very much alike your culture and my culture have similar definitions of honor and your name and my uniform are very equivalent. If it was he was just like, no, you little fucking idiot. I fucking thought way ahead of this and didn't allow you to have any power over me because I'm smart and you're dumb. That would have been a much more satisfying way for these scenes to resolve. I'm really of two minds about this because on the one hand, like, I just want Chicoete to be better. I want him to be more interesting. I want him to be more

charismatic. He's badge and lower it like a full inch on his chest. The easiest comp is also the one that's the most unfair because I want him to be a little more riker about things. Riker is charismatic and lethal and Chicoote is neither. I just want to feel something in either of those categorieste is neither. And I just want to feel something in either of those categories during these scenes. And there's just nothing there. And it's not, I'm not laying this on Robert Belchand's feet. I think this is the way the character's written.

I think he's just gotten nowhere to go. I think you're right. The scenes in the cave with Chico-te and Carr are hard to enjoy, because the Carr character has motivations we can totally understand at this point and Chico Tei is being dumb. You're saying that my name and your uniform mean the same thing, but you're wrong. What makes the Chico Tei experience so much less palatable is the scene that follows because up on Voyager they pick up a case on ship and Tom Paris face times Razzick and Razzick sees right through Paris's repair excuse and it's Nielix That becomes the alpha of the scene in a way that I wanted Chico Tate to be down on the surface like if you scrape a little bit of

What Nielix is doing in this scene onto Chico Te's plate, I think this is a far more interesting A and B story combination here. And what an interesting way to depict Starfleet interacting with aliens that they're on a custom tea, what if they're just better than these guys? What if they are better chess players?

Yeah, the way that Nielix vaults over Paris's shoulders and calls Razek on his bullshit is a kind of confidence. I did not recognize from that character and it's another surprising turn for Nielix in a way that I'm enjoying. Nielix is stock rising, Jakota is staying in the penny stock area. Razic just hangs up on them, which I think is very fun. Jacote addressed a pitch car on like, hey, come with me. And cars like no fucking way. That's not my bag.

I don't want to wear uniforms. And we also learn a little bit more about the K-Zone, like they were kind of the subservient species on a planet with another intelligent species and rose up and took over and then like a lot of post-colonial societies kind of fell into factionalism that was like really unproductive and tragic. And it makes you think about the K-Zone in a different way. Like it's kind of heartbreaking to think about what they've been through as a species. Yeah, and Carr has been really orphaned in a way here.

Like, the idea that there are 18 K's on sex and none of them will accept Carr if he were to show up on their doorstep. Yeah, he'd get all 18 of his fingers cut off. I know. Bomber. That would only leave like three or four fingers, right? Yeah. This big dogging that Nelix has pulled on the FaceTime has resulted in Rzeek and Halees and a few other K-Zone, beaming down to the surface of Tarak and meeting up with Janeway and Tuvac and Kess and saying, hey, we're here

to help. We're going to help you find your guy and get you guys out of here. Well you momentarily confused about who these K-Zone were on the surface. I know contextually we were supposed to recognize them as Rezik and Hallease, but in the bright light of day, I was confused initially about who they were. I thought that they were like new K-Zone for sure. Yeah, yeah. Until we get the close-up of Rezik, which is like four or five shots into this, I was like, who the fuck are these guys? And like, given all the context of like talking about different sects, I believed that they could be a different sect, you know? Agreed, yeah, yeah.

This is a great tension injection into the episode, the idea that the K-Zone offered to escort the Starfleets to where they believe to co-tate a B. Yeah. And the Starfleets being a little bit paranoid about being on a strange planet that's full of weapons systems. And like, are they being led? Yeah. Where they hope they're being led.

Like, nothing about them is trustworthy up until now. You just don't know. Some fun fan service when Janeway asks, Reseek, just how many Echo Papa 607s are there on this planet? Your Janeway's gotten so much better than mine. I just don't even want to try. Sucks. They find their missing crewman in the cave.

It's a bit of a standoff at them. Yeah, and before they arrive, Chicoete does that thing. He's like, you know, a car, a standoff at them. Yeah, and before they arrive, Chicoote does that thing. He's like, you know, a car. I got a great idea. Like, you can get your name for killing me. Yeah. And what's great about being a star fleet is like,

you could kill me right here on the planet's surface in a couple of minutes later. They'll just wake me up in six bay. And this is like the perfect moment for them to have punched through the whatever it is like preventing communications on the planet. Chico Te says like prepare for code white. So we now know code blue and code white are part of the color coding situation on Starfleet chips. I confused it with the previous time I heard about code white,

which was when the enterprise tried to beam up Commander Riker from Rysa before he was ready to leave. My genetic material may be hard to get a lock on enterprise. It is everywhere in this room. You're going to want to set the annular confinement to be a pretty big circle. And so like the episode suggests at this point, that's what's going to happen when we come to the cave with the POV of the OA team, I'm expecting a dead chocote and a car standing over him, but that's not what we get over his dead body. Yeah. Instead, car kind of pulls a switch of rue and kills Rizeek. Yeah.

I was genuinely surprised by this. And then takes a new name in the scene. He's like, that guy's dead. Here's what my new name is, field promotion for Halees. What are you gonna do? Yeah. I mean, it's great for Halees.

He loves this shit. Yeah. I feel like the thing about it is that it undercuts the entire honor system of the K-Zon, or at least this sect of the K-Zon, because there's no fucking way you just kill the head of a Klingon house, and then you are the head of the Klingon house, or can like I'm now two is the head now, you know? That's no way to run a house or a starship. Right.

And I believe it. I believe it in this moment, but it also makes, it makes the K's on feel like a much more chaotic adversary than the Klingons. Like the Klingons are a predictable adversary in a way that the K's on are not. They're looking out for number one in all times and in all places and you never know

what that might lead to. Right. This moment is kind of left unfinished because who is now known as Jal Cardain tells Chicoote and company don't come around here no more and then they scram. So the Aaron Eisenberg character alive and left to go on their way. Yeah. The button on the episode is Chicoote in his quarters, safely aboard the ship doing his ceremony with a, I guess, replacement medicine bundle. And makes you wonder why he gets a bird wing. Why couldn't he be doing it on board the first time?

Is he never going to leave to do a ceremony now? I think that you cannot risk leaving to do the ceremony time. Is he never going to leave to do a ceremony now? I think that you cannot risk leaving to do the ceremony anymore. After this week's episode, that's just an intolerable risk. They lost a shuttle on this mission. A shuttle is a finite resource aboard to, right? I, I wonder about that because like, I could see why gel packs and torpedoes are not replicable, but it seems like shuttles should be something that you can replicate.

Yeah, it would seem to be that way, but I don't know. I don't know either. Anyways, did you like this episode? Objection noted, we'll do this without you. Do it. Do it. Do it. No.

No, I did not. I don't believe an A story should be in Chicoete's hands. And I didn't believe that before this episode, and I especially don't believe it now because the character development that they gave Chicoete was bad. I liked him more before this episode. Wow. I liked the case on less before this episode and I thought they became a much more interesting species in this episode. But I agree. This was a tough one, man. I... I think this is my least favorite Voyager episode that we've seen. Was this one?

It was hard to stay interested in it. It's not any of the actors fall. I lay this at the feet of, of the people responsible for the story and, and the people responsible for, for sketching out Chico Tei, especially like I keep, I keep ringing the Will Riker bell, but Will Riker was capable of mercy. Yet, he would still make you find out if you fucked around. And there's nothing about the Chico Teh character that indicates that he's anything besides merciful. How was he as a as a make-wease?

He must have been the worst make-wease. Right? Yeah. There was no Lady Killer in him. There was no crumbone enthusiast. It's like. There's nothing about him that reads as mercenary anymore. Yeah. In almost a sociopathic kind of way, like if he could so easily be a make-weease, and now so easily become a starfleet, then, easily to be like, not even a starfleet, but like the starfleet rulebook walking around in a uniform.

Oh, no, you don't. Regulation specifically state. That's where my power comes from. There's no character there for him. It's just job. Yeah. I mean, maybe that's something to mine as a character. Like, is he dangerous in that way?

Interesting take. I don't know the answer to that. I mean, I doubt it. The show seems incapable of making him interesting in any way at all, but I'm trying to project interest onto an uninteresting character. That's how desperate I am. Well, Adam, do you think you could find a way

to project some interest onto our priority one inbox? Oh you know I could. I've opened up the priority one bin doll and I've I've laid all the things out onto the floor bin. Priority one message from Starfleet coming in on secured channel. Need a supplement on top of the month. A supplement. A supplement. Yes, extra. By the interest alone could be enough to buy this ship.

Adam, we've got a few priority one messages here, and the first one is of a promotional nature and goes like this. Calling all friends of DeSoto, if you or someone you know has an interest in Star Trek and psychotherapy, please consider taking a voyage with us. Starship Therapies.

I'm sorry. This is already funnier than anything we've ever done. Starship Therapies, colon, using therapeutic fanfiction to rewrite your life, is a new book, co-written by two licensed psychotherapists that explores the ways in which narratives and play inform the shape of our lives. Find out more about the USS Hood's Book of the Month for 12 months running. Please consider purchasing a copy for yourself or a friend. Look, I want to make it clear that I was not laughing at the authors of Starship Therapy.

I think I'm just delighted by that choice in title. Yeah, that choice in title is great. I have made no secret of the fact that I have really benefited a lot in my life from psychotherapy and I'm also currently in treatment for PTSD and I think that thinking about the origins of your stuff, the stuff that you deal with is really worth doing and this sounds like a really weird enough to say a fun way to do it. Yeah, no kidding. I endorse, so consider buying a copy of Starship Therapies using therapeutic fanfiction to rewrite your life

from your local bookseller. This is in bookstores, Adam. In the stores. It's on Penguin, Adam. It's on Penguin Random House. That's incredible. I love this. I do too. I'm buying a copy as we speak. You start the next priority one message out.

Hey. I'm checking out at bookshop.org with a copy of Starships Therapies. Another priority one message about a book where the message info does not include the author names. Ben, you want to give those authors a shout? Sure, it's by Larissa A. Garski, LMFT and Justine Mastin, LMFT. That's licensed mental and family therapists, I believe. That's great. Hey, authors out there who want to do a P1, don't be too proud to share your name, all right? Yeah. Share that name. Ben or second. That's how books are often indexed in stores

by author name. Yeah, that's what the Dewey Decimal System is all about. Yeah. Ben or second priority one message is from Snow Spicy Rubber Ball, Angelidus II Florida Sunnyvale 9-11 Sunshine, which is just a lot of different words mingled together in a sort of context. The message goes like this, Happy 39th birthday! Hopefully we survive 2020.

And the world isn't the darkest timeline anymore. Living with you has been the happiest I have ever been despite trading icy Minnesota live in the world. I'm not sure if you're going to be able to live in the world. I'm not sure if you're going to live in the world. I'm not sure if you're going to live in the world. I'm not sure if you're going to live in the world. I'm not sure if you're going to live in the world. I'm not sure if you're going to live in the world. I'm not sure if you're going to live in the world. I'm not sure if you're going to live in the world. I'm not sure if you're going to live in the world. I'm not sure if you're going to live in the world.

I'm not sure if you're going to live in the world. I'm not sure if you're going to live in the world. I'm not sure if you're going to live in the world. I'm not sure if you're going to live in the world. I'm not sure if you're going to live in the world. I'm not sure if you're going to live in the world. I'm not sure if you're going to live in the world. I'm not sure if you're going to live in the world.

I'm not sure if you're going to live in the world. I'm not sure if you're going to live in the world. I'm not sure if you're going to live in the world. I'm not sure if you're going to live in the world. I'm not sure if you're going to live in the world. I'm not sure if you're going to live in the world. I'm not sure if you're going to live in the world. I'm not sure if you're going to live in the world. I'm not Definitely want to go back to Philly and Denver. Less so Tainty Florida. I just saw an old buddy from Kissamy Florida. And he said, come play a show.

I'm going to play a show. I'm going to play a show. I'm going to play a show. I'm going to play a show. I'm going to play a show. I'm going to play a show. I'm saw an old buddy from Kissamy, Florida, and he said, come play a show in Orlando. And I said, no, too tainty. I'm sorry, I can't do it.

I mean, how do you even pick a hotel in Orlando to stay in? Right, exactly. It's literally all hotels. Hahaha. Our final P1 of the show, Adam, is from Nick Youngblood, and it's to Ben and Adam and or Steven Farmer. Goes like this. In 2017, a friend told me about a Trek podcast by two guys, but the film background, I'd never listened to a podcast, but decided to give it a try. 12 episodes in, I realized TGG was not the show he meant. Now, I still don't know which show he meant, and don't really care if I ever find out.

FOD's forever. PS. Why was the fun Uxbridge song so divisive? I don't know. Oh. What's the fun Uxbridge song so divisive. I don't know which what's what's the fun Uxbridge song? Oh, I think maybe the first ice cream truck music we used, which was the West Coast ice cream truck. Oh, yeah, we kind of win the Mac and

Sun music. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I think you can look that up. I like the idea and I know this isn't Nick Youngblood's point of this P1, but if someone's trying out greatest gen going, this isn't for me. But sticking around for the friends, like becoming a friend in the Soto just by Osmosis. Oh, I thought that the, yeah, I thought that his point was that there is some other Star Trek podcast out there that is claiming to be by people who have some film industry reps. Yeah, I mean, I think we're both thinking the same thing is that Nick Youngblood got off the train

somewhere else at a different show stop but still claims FOD status. No, no, I think I think I think doesn't care about whatever that other show is. All right. That's that's what I'm taking away from it. Well, I don't care about whatever that other show is. Alright. That's what I'm taking away from it. Well, I don't care about what that other show is either. I'm just surprised to learn that somebody tried to replicate the magic sauce that is the greatest generation. Hey, you fuck around and try to put together a Star Trek podcast. The couple of hosts are the film background and you'll find out. Yeah, we're coming for you unnamed other podcast. Yeah, you saw what we did to Mission Log. Yeah,

punch it down is our new thing. Yeah. I used to punch up but punching up can suck my fucking cock because now all I'm doing is punching down. It folks would like to finance our new quest to punch down on other Star Trek podcasts. They can head to maximumfund.org slash jembo-tron and get themselves a priority one message. Adam and Ben are fighting again with other Star Trek podcasts. You know, I'm really easy to get along with, close to this time, but I don't like bullet, I don't like red, and I don't like you. I'm just stupid. Hey Adam. What's that been?

Did you find yourself a drunk Shimoda in this episode? Drunk Shimoda! There wasn't anyone for me that seemed like they were having the most fun. Like, tonally, the episode felt pretty dark and hopeless in a lot of ways. But the character I couldn't take my eyes off of was Razzak. Like, he seemed to be of all the characters, the chaos agent of the group. Yeah. I mean, he's the one trying to teach car lesson, both granting him mercy and offering a mercy

killing, offering to demonstrate the execution of a human being in front of a bunch of kids. His capabilities seem fairly diverse. Yeah. And in that way, don't really know what to expect from him, much like a drunk Shimoda himself. So I think for lack of another good candidate, I'm gonna make RASIC my drunk Shimoda. What about you?

Well, that really insults my selection of a candidate because it's not RASIC, it's car. Hmm. But I think that it's for kind of similar reasons, like as the chaos agent, car is the one that is supposed to shoot Chico Te, has an easy out and takes the hard path, takes the surprise kill of Rizic

as a much more interesting end of this episode. Like I think that this is not a strong episode, but everything Carr does is bring interest to it. And I think that's because Aaron Eisenberg is a really interesting actor and because Carr as a character makes really interesting choices. He's like a true believer in this system that like doesn't make any sense.

Like the more you think about the way these people behave, the less sense it makes. But that's like so many power systems, you know? Cars character embodies a sensibility that I'm sure too many Americans would find familiar, which is it is more difficult not to shoot someone. Yeah, no kidding. So cars might drink Shemota. it is more difficult not to shoot someone. Ha ha ha game where we keep the game of buttholes The will of the caretaker. I'm gonna tell you about our next episode will be reviewing which is season two episode three of Star Trek Voyager It's called projections if Chicoote's name is in this summary I'm I'm just gonna riot the ship's holographic doctor

Experiences a world where illusion and reality, chico-te. Oh, God damn it. Thanks a little bit, end of that sentence is where illusion and reality collide. I like your pronunciation, it's very exotic. I like your pronunciation. It's very exotic. Adam, where is our runabout in the game? 79. 79 is where we are. Two squares ahead is a cut in the nebula. No notes.

That's the only thing that we can hit with the die that's in my hand. Okay. You're required to learn as you play. Roll. I'm gonna give it a roll. Roll that bone. Shula! Did I win? Harvey.

Ben, I've also rolled a one. Wow. Put to sound square 80. Two ones in a row by us. No kidding. It's Chekhov's Riker out there. Hanging out dead ahead. So next episode's gonna be a regular old episode

for you and me, the best kind. Okay. And what I'm hoping will be a Chico Te Free episode. You know, sometimes you just need a break from a person. You know what I'm talking about, Ben? No. Could really use a break from Chico Te right now. I don't know what that's like, but it sounds like you do.

You know one type of person I never need a break from. They're the friends of Tisoto. They gather in so many places online. Friends of Tisoto be gathering. If you went over to the discord at drunkshamo.com, you'd find many, many, many of them there. They're also on the Facebook page. They're also on Twitter using the hashtag GreatestGen. You know who runs the Twitter and Instagram feeds

for expert Shimota. It's Bill Tilly. He's at Bill Tilly in 1973. Our official Twitter and Instagram handles are at Greatest Trek. And so much fun can be had on the socials with other friends of DeSoda. This is true.

You gotta thank our buddy Adam Ragusia, who makes the original theme music for the program. He is, of course, now a big star on YouTube. Search Adam Ragusia, learn how to cook. Adam Ragusia, of course, working in the tradition of dark material who made the Picard's our original theme. Unclear what type of cook dark material is, but boy, you'd have to be pretty great. Probably, technically proficient. Yeah, I don't know if dark material is planting and growing tomatoes

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