The Greatest Generation - Wore Out the Netflix (DS9 S6E17)

Episode Date: June 8, 2020

When Major Kira has the chance to go back in time to kill Gul Dukat’s girlfriend, she jumps at the chance. But when she gets too close to the target, she must decide if her second thoughts will give her greatest enemy some second chances. Is Worf more of a Raphael, or a Leonardo? Is it still time travel if Riker doesn’t say so? Where we’re going, won’t we need rules? It’s the episode that has more mommy issues than daddy issues.

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I'm Adam Pranaka. I've been Harrison. If you hear a solid in the background, that's because somebody has set up a saw at Adam. It's actually kind of a scary scene. Someone has set up a table saw outside my studio and then left a note on my desk that says, the key to stopping the table saw is inside your body. Don't worry Adam, you'll pass it soon enough. Like you pass everything.

What what Jigsaw didn't realize about choosing me as a victim is that I would shit out a key in less than a 90 minute movie run time. More like nine minutes even. I shit out keys like this for breakfast. We're like nine minutes even. I shit out keys like this for breakfast. Yeah. Terribly reviewed Jigsaw movie. It would be the one where I was the victim.

Just not enough suspense. Yeah. Well, I just went over to the post office to check our PO box. And we have quite a haul here. Thank you for your service, Ben. Yeah, well thank you to the people you're using the post office to send us stuff. Do you want to do a little little male bag segment? It's our most beloved segment Ben let's do it. Let's do it. I'm sorry to disturb you. I'm receiving a Code 47. Verify? It is Code 47, sir.

Starfleet emergency frequency. Captions eyes only. Okay, I'm gonna do our customary opening in order of big-ness. It's what our wives did with us and choosing us. Yeah. They got married to the biggest last. Right. Um...

Which I guess since... These're both of their first husbands, that's not good for us. The first one is a postcard. And the postcard says, that sparkle in my eyes is the internet. And it's like a Greek statue of two people with arms around each other. It just says to Ben and Adam thanks for helping us all get through these

crazy times. With love from... I cannot read who the love is from. I'm hoping I'm hoping that the person who's sending us the love will follow up and text and email us or tweet us or something because I can't read their handwriting. Show me. L-Y-R is what I think those letters are. L-R? Boy, I'm not sure if I agree with you Adam. I think this could be...

They could have signed in like Arabic for all I know. It's very hard to read this. Anyways, thank you for the postcard anonymous sender. This next one is a kind of a big envelope type letter. It's from David C in New Albany, Indiana. Almost said Albany. That's not where he's from. He's from New Albany. You don't want to confuse New Albinie with old Albany. They hate that there.

They fixed all the problems with the original, for the reboot. Right. But they also recast it with women in the leads and a lot of, that was very controversial. All right, let's see, we've got a letter here. Code 47, Captain's Eyes Only, it says, I think that.

On this letter. Hand drawn. Hand drawn, communicator badge. Dear Ben and Adam, I was checking out the older Star Trek toys at a local shop back in the before times and found this masterpiece. I couldn't remember if someone had already sent one to you, but if so, now you can both have one. The only downside is that it didn't come with a Captain DeSoto figure. Despite that, I hope you enjoy receiving

this as much as I enjoyed learning. It was a thing that existed. Keep up the great work. I love listening to both the greatest generation and the greatest discovery. I really hope you guys decided to do for you to enjoy it enterprise as well. Listening to your shows is one of the highlights of my week. As I am a truck driver, I have lots of listening time.

How about that? Riker eyes to credits. He's got a long way to go in a short time to get there. What he has sent us is something that we do actually have one of, but one that has been on tour with us a lot and is falling apart. It's a mini-accel-seer class starship mini-play set. It's the USS Hood, Adam. That's great. It's got Riker and Jourity miniature action figures to go with it.

I believe that Bill Tilly sent us the other one of these that we have. And... So, too. With the way we treat our things on tour, I think it's vital that we have a backup ready to... We need to be field promoted to stage duty. Redundancy is what we need most of all. This is super cool. David C mentioned something that is stuck in my brains, which is why there isn't a Captain

DeSoto action figure. You know, we've seen all the time people that kind of kind of get bashed the action figures and put different heads on different bodies. Sure. Who's got the head that looks most like DeSoto, you think? Like, and I'm talking about a cross-action figure history. I bet that exists out there. Like you get sort of a Jean Hackman looking head

and stick it onto a Captain Picard body. There's your DeSoto. There's your DeSoto. Yeah. Somebody make that. Thank you, David. Thanks, David. Super cool. Okay, next And then we have this this person put this package in a garbage bag and then completely covered it in shipping tape

I think that's what's known in the shipping industry as discreet packaging Ben you're probably used to getting packages like this. It does have, it does a not penis cream. I'm gonna say, this is from Pedro A. in Port Washington, New York. It also has the address that it's from, is from like a pretty major internet company. That's a no-one to make of that. All right, what we have here is a box for a Vernon 101 dual 8 movie editor. Wow! I wonder if this is in fact an 8mm editing device.

Holy shit, it totally is! Wow! This is like a net. The cutting rig that lets you edit your 8mm home movies. It's got some daylight spools, some, oh it's got the little razor platform with the bump in it so that you can register your film on the right spots and then cut it. Wow! Looks like original instruction manuals here. Register your film on the right spots and then cut it. Yeah. Wow. Looks like original instruction manual is here.

Oh, here's a, here's some college-ruled paper. I bet this is a note to us. Dear Ben and Adam, and more recently, John, I've been a viewer for a while. Been to all of the live shows, but never had caused to write in. Then, my wife decided to clean out her family's garage. When I saw this old film thingy,

I immediately thought of you guys. I have no idea if this is cool or a total piece of shit, but I figured you guys would know what to do with it. Thanks for your work on Friendly Fire and all things trick. It has expanded my way of watching movies, taught me a ton of stuff about writing film, and surprisingly, wraps. Also, thank you for making me that guy who laughs out loud on the subway.

So, Pedro, uh, thank you, Pedro. This is, in fact, cool. I don't think it's trash at all. I think it's treasure. Oh, I thought you were talking about wraps. I was really worried that you were gonna... No! You're gonna pick an unwindable fight with me. I would never argue about that with you Ben. Who cares?

That is super cool. Thank you for sending it in, Pedro. All right, last biggest package here is from Curtis G. In Santa Cruz, California, go slugs. We've got a little note, it says to Adam and Ben, and then on the back it says, or is it Ben and Adam?

I was wondering that myself. I don't know if we've ever decided on that, but they're Adam and Ben. I know you'd probably rather get a box full of money, but here's hoping these items will help alleviate any past t-shirt or other related trauma. The cocktails from our local distillery hope you enjoy them. And close also find a book of Hawaiian and Pacific food recipes to help indulge your tiki enthusiasm. My wife is from Hawaii and gets mad at me whenever I try to do anything

related to Hawaiian culture, so it is far safer in your hands. Also, please enjoy these Star Trek themed cord wraps and luggage tags lovingly handcrafted by my amazing aunt, who lives in Orlando. No. Is that Orlando? Oh, no, no. No, that says. Oh, no, no. No, what that says oh, nano Oh, don't know it's not a wa who is it? Yeah, it's not definitely not a wa who does she call her on ohana? Huh, I'll just say Ankyl is or lovingly handcrafted by my amazing hand Someday we can all travel again. You guys are the best Wow, thanks Curtis. Let's see what we got here.

Oh boy, we have some canned beverages from Venus Spirits. We've got gin gimlets. Hey, that's another podcast empire. Uh, vodka mules. Two, two of each of those. Are those standard sized cans that start for me to tell the scale of this? Yeah, these are, uh, like the each of those? Are those standard sized cans? It's hard for me to tell. The scale is...

Yeah, these are, uh, like the size of, uh, like a beer can or a sewing can. Cool. Um... We've got a book called Hawaiian and Pacific Foods. It's kind of old-timey-seeming recipe book, because it's got, it definitely has like a 70s kind of vibe to the layout and stuff. You know what, that'll go great on your shelf of cocktail books, Ben?

That's great. I love the way Curtis described his attempts to enjoy Hawaiian culture in spite of his wives reluctance to do that. It made me wonder how your interest in Jewish culture goes over of his wife's reluctance to do that. It made me wonder how your interest in in Jewish culture goes over with your wife. My wife tends to be pretty encouraging of my of my you know making a lot or something. She tends to be encouraging of your many complaints. This is great. Big banana recipe in here. Fried bananas, now you're talking my language.

Alright, well boy. It's a lot of fun. Creamed tarot. Tarot pups. Here's the recipe for poi, Adam. We finally have it. Ah ha! Thank God.

Give me that poi. And here are the luggage tags and little pouches. Oh, very cool. We'll spark the luggage tag there. Wow, those are great. Yeah, these are super neat. Tell your aunt, thank you. Curtis, and thank you from us.

This was super fun. Yeah, I love it when you go to the post office to retrieve our gifts Ben. Always until late. Yeah well do you want to delight even further by getting into today's episode? I can hardly wait then to discuss Deep Space 9 season 6 episode 17, wrongs darker than death or night. Two. What? Do you realize how many? What about this season?

Ah! Ah! Ah! No, of course you don't. I think maybe for the first time ever, our show opens on a butt. Ha! Ha!

An actual butt of a dabo girl goes past the frame. I could see it now. The first thing it makes me think of is does this dabo girl keep her butt in the same place as anyone else? Because if she's walking by your table with that dumper and it's barely covered with a piece of fabric that makes up her dress, I mean, that could make for an unsanitary situation. Yeah, the work environment at Quarks is not biologically sound. You get yourself a food handler's permit in any state. I think one of the first pages will tell you, keep your butt away from the food.

Keep that dumper covered up. Yeah. Dumps unlike a truck only. Yeah, real sets the tone here. There is a lot of like male gaze stuff in this episode, and that does set the tone. Yeah, it kinda does. That's the only butt we see, I think, right? It's the camera tracking a butt until it lands on decks and wharf who are hanging out in Quaracks having a little convo.

Why don't we know about Wharf, Adam? Wharf, is this your idea of sex? He is not a party dude. Which would make him not the Michelangelo of the teenage mutant interchurros. I think he's cool but rude. Right. The Saratoga has pulled into port, Ben, and you know anytime the Saratoga comes to town. It is time for a Saratoga party.

What? Who? This is something that Dax wants to put together. This is something that Wurf is not interested in. I think he'd look great in Atoga. I don't know what he's concerned about. Yeah, he's already got a lot of sash game. So like, Atoga and sash are very closely related governments.

He's got to tie two sashes around his waist. Did I think? You would think being in an interspecies relationship and knowing what she does about Klingons, based on 300 years of experience, Dax would know better than to suggest a party where everyone comes in Klingon face. Problematic. Problematic. I think this should be a bigger fight, to be honest. The whole episode should have been about this. Get woke, Dax! What the fuck? Guess who's very unpopular in the Klingon Empire, Dax?

T'cal T'Jolson. He goes without honor. Cut, cut to Kern in his apartment watching Old Timey Television. I am not familiar with this comedian's work. It must have been a different time. This has the tone of jokes, but no punchlines I can detect. It's a good thing that the studio audience is so full of laughter. I think they're carrying him rather than the other way around.

Dax kind of gives up the plan for a party easily, which leads me to believe that she never really wanted to have a party to begin with. She was just given more for the old goose. Yeah, she winds up catching up with Kira, who has just taken delivery of some flowers from Quark. Flowers by the Keg. Is it? It looks like. Yeah. The prop that the flowers come in is definitely

that like hologram-y paper stuff that your teacher would make a display out of in your elementary school classroom. It's what you'd paper the outside of a shoe box with if you were going to make a diorama. Yeah, or like the donation box at a, you know, if we're going to save the rec center with a dance-off or something like that. Donate your cans for the food drive. This one lady can't donate her cans because she only has the two and she needs him for dabo.

Yeah, Quark is the giver of these flowers to Kira and this little detail catches Dax's eye. She's like, what's going on between you and Quark? And I'll be disgusting. I ordered them for myself. You can't even see his brain, Dex. Why would I date him? Yeah. It turns out it's something that she does for herself

every year on the occasion of her mother's birthday. She did not know her mother terribly well. Her mother died when she was three years old. But she has fond remembrances based on what her father told her about her mother, bravest woman he ever met. And so Kira tries to kind of keep a flame lit for her mother by observing this birthday every year. Kind of classless that Quark asks for money for the flower arrangement in this moment. That'll be 30 strips of platinum, Kira.

I don't care what these flowers are for. He's a profiteer in the deceased parent industrial complex. The same way, your arrangements for your wedding are going to be more expensive than they would be if you were them for another purpose. I mean, dead parents club is definitely a type of person he wants to cultivate into this business opportunity. Yeah. He wants to develop as many leads

in that demographic as possible. So with Kira having beat back the accusation of a love affair with Quark, she goes back to her quarters and is woken up after falling asleep from a video call. It's a FaceTime from DuCat. Yeah. That's not who you want to wake you up in the middle of the night, right?

Yeah, and it's a, it's kind of anonymized. She asked the computer who the call is, is from, and there's no caller ID. The screen says possibly spam. Yeah. And he says like don't even bother trying to trace this. I'm a lead hacksaw. I just wanted to talk to you about your mother.

She was a striking woman, your mother. Kind of trying to pay it forward because you know, the scales have recently fallen from my eyes. W slash R slash T, my relationship with the occupation. And I want to give the same gift to you. Do you think this scene suggests anything about DuCott's mental abilities at this point? Because he seems pretty put together.

He does not seem to be the screaming, punching loss of mental faculties, Ducat that we got in the caves with Cisco. I kind of think that it's kind of the difference between Randy Quaid calling a pizza parlor and placing a dinner order versus Randy Quaid making a YouTube video. Like, I'm sure he can do A, but when he does B, he just seems so unhinged

that it's hard to imagine. So what you're saying is that DuCat is being the Cardassian that he wants Kira to see in the world. Right, yeah. He's tailored his messaging to the audience. Right. And it was on my mind, Yeah, yeah, he's tailored his messaging to the audience right and

It was on my mind because I was just like listening to a podcast Based in van koover and they realized that like a house that a couple of the co-host walk by frequently that has a A Trump sign in the window is Randy Quaid's house And they're like, you know just confused about the fact that he had that there's a house in Vancouver with such a sign, but also like, what the fuck? Wow. That too lives there. I wonder how full his shitter is.

You can tell in the scene how serious DuCat is because you hear the single pan flute of Bajoran storytelling. I immediately believe to sincerity as soon as I heard this little number in the score. Yeah, he's telling her about her mother what a good-looking lady she was. Real sturdy woman. Yeah, real handsome lady.

Nice try to cut. You never knew my mother. It seemed to me wonder how old DuCott is supposed to be because he's talking about having had a relationship with Kira's mother when Kira was younger than the age of three. But he… I don't know. I would have guessed he was like 45 before. I mean, if you do the math on what Dukat's saying,

I think he's suggesting that he and Kira's mother may have had a May and then May of next year relationship. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Yeah, no kidding. This is so ridiculous that Kira can't even get angry. She's like, whatever to cut. Thanks. But then next morning at work, she's just having none of it. No fucking around is being tolerated by Kira. People are like dropping their iPads and staring at her with their jaws dropped

when she che choose out the chief and the doctor for having a non-work-based conversation in Ops. I can't imagine that this is that shocking that Kira is not to be trifled with when she's at work. All right, everyone, we're not at the Repplamat. We're not here to drink Rack to Genos and catch up on the latest gossip. Let's get to work. I thought I knew all of the phases of Kira up until now.

Gotta tell you, Ben, the angry, strict, taciturn Kira, is a type of Kira I really like. Yeah, I mean, I felt like I had done the math and I could tell that that Kira was there, that we just hadn't seen it depicted. I wore out the Netflix for this part of the episode. Yeah. Tell me to shut up again, Narees.

Ha ha ha. I've been bad. Not the only thing you wore out. Ha ha ha. A lot of Gymsox died that day. Gold to cotton. Gold to cotton. Gold to cotton.

So. And so she goes into having chewed them out and then I think chewed Odo out for like allowing a 2% uptick in petty crime on the promenade. Odo is like, I have the statistics, 2% is one eighth of a crime. How am I supposed to investigate that? One-eighth of a crime? Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha- that Kira was in a bad mood. Is that a medical diagnosis? Or is that just a social diagnosis? That would be a fun scene. There is a lot of like, like it's a sequence, right? Kira is going around the station

and everyone's noticing this thing about her and then Kira finally goes to Cisco with what actually happened, the reason for her irritability. And Cisco is at first a little disappointed that he didn't know that there was a message that blew in from Gold to Cut. Right, seems like something that should have

probably been flagged for his attention. Kira was not obligated to tell him what it was about, but I think that rises to the level of something you bring up at a McLoughlin group. Ha ha ha ha ha ha. Yeah, it's an issue. It's an issue. That rises to the level of something you bring up at a McLoughlin group. Yeah, it's an issue. It's an issue. We don't know if it's issue one or issue 10, but it's an issue. Pat, you can and does not bring up the issue of impeachment.

It's kind of all we can think about, Pat. Yeah. So what's your request is, especially if to go consult the orb of time traveling? Are you telling me that you built a time machine? The orb of time traveling? The way I see it, if you're going to build a time machine, why not do it with some style? Which is a pretty astonishing thing to just write into an episode. Oh yeah, one of these orbs of the prophets will let you time travel. And it's like the mechanics of that time travel are never never explained. Like if

that if it's like visiting the past in, you know, in just an observational capacity or if you're actually traveling in time, he did, he is worried about fucking up the timeline and she's like, oh, don't worry, the profits will guide me. And that's not a reassurance, like the profits don't know about linear time. They can't wrap their crazy heads around it. I think it's pretty clear that they not only don't know about it, if they do, they don't care. Right.

And I think the one thing that you need to know about any television episode or movie that has to do with time travel are all the rules. Like that's like the main thing about time travel movies, right? Right. Like if she goes back to the past and kills Gelducat, does it change the present?

Not only that, like God, they really breeze past this conversation fast. Before we know it, we're on Beijor. Yeah. And when we're with Kira, she approaches the thing. This thing has got to be under constant guard. Yeah. Can you imagine the millions of people trying to throw themselves at the orb of time travel in order to change their past? I mean, this is literally like, it's like an episode that is about, like, if you could go

into the past and kill Cardassian Hitler, would you? And it's also like totally uninterested in the mechanics of that question. Imagine right now, there is an object that allows time travel somewhere on our planet. And everyone knows about it. It's just a religious thing. That's all it is. Imagine that object existed, and then like last night, right before you went to bed, you got a call from Hitler and said, he jammed your mom.

Like would you be mad enough to go use it to kill him? Your mother's dump is very attractive. She was my comfort woman anyways, doodleoo. I don't know how you get past this, this moment in the episode, and yet I think the episode is counting on the briskness with which it goes by. Like, you're immediately back in time with Kira so fast in the span of half a scene basically. That it's counting on you looking at the jingling keys

over here. Yeah, we're in the Star Trek caves looking at impoverished pejorans now. Stop thinking about Cardassian Hitler fucking your mom. Right. I mean, not to skip to the end. I couldn't stop thinking about it. This is such an intense scene because he comes across her family her her dad the Thomas Copacci reprising his his role as Kira Taban and we meet Kira Maru, make your Kira's mom.

And we meet Kira. We meet Kid Kira. Yeah, yeah, precocious, fun. She totally breaks another toddler's arm and what they both thought was just a little play wrestle. Yeah, she kicks a lot of ass. Gets a hold of one of the cardacians weapons and blows up with pizza oven and everybody's like, come on, we're running

low on food. You had to blow up the pizza oven. It's a pretty sad scene, Ben. The the refugees are dirty and bedraggled. The hosporat is not spicy. Everyone's everyone is a real bummer. Yeah. And there's like fights over soup rations. That's maybe the saddest part, right? Fighting over soup. The the bejorin guys that come over and try and steal food out of the mouths of a young family

is an ugly, an ugly look. And it's like, I think that's a great show not tell of like what desperate Straits these people are in. Look, here's the thing, like this is her family, including her and her mom. And as they get closer, I'm like, what happens if she touches accidentally her daughter? Like, is there, does that break the space-time continuum? I kept, I I kept wanting them to be separate. In the same way that Marty is warned,

very specifically, do not interact with your family members when you go back in time. Like, no such warning is levied here against Kira. And I mean, after defending her own family from these soup pirates, she has asked a couple of times what her name is and she has to come up with a name on the spot. Right.

In this name, it's just so bright, so sharp that the sign, it just blows up because the name is just so powerful. Her name is Luma Raw. A name that means nothing to me. Did that mean anything to you? No, it didn't mean anything to me either. And I didn't write it down, so I couldn't remember where you were headed. And I thought that the joke was going to be

that it did mean something, but it doesn't. Yeah. Luma Raw is her name. That name again is Luma Raw. So, uh, Q. The Cardassians entering the Star Trek caves led by a Bajorin fuckhead named Basso. They're there to do Herum recruitment. Right. And Basso is a guy that you just want to see explode at some point in the episode in a horrifying graphic way.

Yeah, like if we could do a mirror universe, auto, a type explosion for this guy, that would be great. I can't remember a person I've hated so immediately on an episode before. Like, Basso is played by an actor named David, his name is David Bowie. That's how I'm going to pronounce his name. V-O-W-E is his last name. David Bowie really, really playing the part here of the hateable man. Yeah, I mean, because it's one thing to collaborate,

but it's another thing to collaborate with the amount of zeal that this guy brings. I mean, he's another thing to collaborate with the amount of zeal that this guy brings? I mean, he's great at the collaborate part, but he does not listen. Right. And that's really, that's really infuriating. This is known as something at like, like, internment camps, right? This has got a name for this type of person, right?

What am I thinking? Oh. Yeah, Basso the Capo. Jesus Christ. for this type of person, right? What am I thinking of? Yeah, Basso the Capo. Jesus Christ. Is what he is. And I don't necessarily think that's a wrong label to give him.

Yeah. But my children are only better than they have any right to. But he is a species trader and seems to really enjoy that role and the power that it brings him. It's interesting that his uniform is kind of a Cardassian fabric, but a Bajora and military look. It's got those like shoulder patches that season one cure and all season, all other Bajorin uniforms have.

Yeah. other Bajorin uniforms have. So among the ladies that are grabbed here are Naree's and Maru, and they are taken promptly up to Taraknor in orbit of Bajor. And this is like a really tearful scene because they're saying, don't forget about me to... Careamaru is saying, don't forget about me to her husband who is there with their crying children, thinking quite reasonably that this is probably the last time he'll ever see his wife. And this is a really well done scene, super affecting, and it goes by like that. I think the pace of this episode is fairly consistent. It really chugs forward fast. It really does. They get their brief tour of Deep Space 9 and then they're gussied up into

fancier dresses like the Kira women are stationed in quarters together and the Kira Maru is like totally shocked at the spread of food that's available to them. And it's like, it's everything. It's gumbumbum beans and lamek fruit and hasprat. Piled high with all the fixings. Speaking of wraps at them, the hasprat, I feel like it's typically depicted as a wrap. And in this, it looked more like a tahini sauce or something. It looked like a dip.

Sure did. Yeah. Yeah. It looked like too much dip, TBH. Yeah. Like a disgusting amount of dip. Like if you were to take a chip in dip and fill up the chip part with dip, that's how much dip it is.

Right. That's how much dip it is. They're really going to town. Kira is like cautioning her mom. Do not eat so fast. It's gonna make you sick in her mom. It's like I'd love to be that kind of sick. I've been sick from hunger for years.

Easy, easy. You don't wanna make yourself sick. They ought to be on starving. Imagine barfing out all this food and how good that's gonna feel. Or how I normally feel. Trust me, it's gonna be fine. Marue's on a real emotional roller coaster

because she literally goes from being thrilled about this food. You know how long it's been since I've seen fresh moba? Nice, nice. To weeping over the fate of her husband. Only Tabbat and the children were here. Nice, nice. In the same breath.

And Major Cure is not reassuring her. She's like, yeah, I would not count on things being all peachy keen for your husband and children going forward. Like, that is what the Cardassians are telling you, but they're not, like, trustworthy narrators on something like that. Right.

And there's a physicality happening between the two characters that is very maternal in a way that goes unspoken. Yeah. Like the way Kira cares for her mom physically, like touching of the face all the time. They get to intimate, an intimate level of interaction in a really fast time that is, you're right, it's like, I think it's really interesting that it's uncommented on, but it also feels really real. Yeah, that's kind of magical, if you ask me,

about this scene. Because Kira Maru is not a character that gets a ton to do, but the chemistry really has to be there between her and Nanavisitor this to work, you know. And so I think she's super well cast for that reason. I'm not be gone, I'm not be gone, I'm not be gone, I'm not be gone. Exactly. These two join the Herum of Other Bajoran Women the next day. They're set up in sort of a presentation line by Shitheel Basso.

It's like Ducasio. Ducasio. And inspect the troops and by troops, I mean, women that are going to be distributed for unspeakable things to Cardassian officers. Right. Bassa's got the attitude of the SHIT HILD Department manager of a retail store who's like just power mad and condescending. He's concentrated, fucking worst. He's in a dead end career, but he has just a little sliver of authority, and that's all he needs. He does not have authority over Galdu Kod who comes into inspect the goods. Make one mistake and I won't hesitate to. That's enough. Nice.

It's clear that Maru and to a certain extent Kira are not going to be able to get the hesitate to. Five, two, that's enough. Nice. Nice. It's clear that Maru and to a certain extent, Kira are not going to, like there's a way to be when you're being inspected, Pygo Duca, and they're not really obeying the rules. They're talking, they're talking back. Yeah. Kira's feisty, you know, and she comes from a feisty family.

I liked that, I liked this scene with the dermal regenerator because DuCott catches that Kira Maru has a big scar on the side of her face. And Baso is like, oh, sorry, Bos, I'll throw her out the airlock and get another one. And DuCott says, no, no, just get a dermal regenerator.

We'll fix her up right now. That's such a great show not tell about the cruelty of the occupation. Like if this technology exists where for free and flawlessly we can repair an injury like this, but it's not distributed evenly, like it really makes you think about, you know, Ducat has been obsessed with the idea of rehabilitating his image since he was prefect, and that storyline is dealt with a bit in this episode that Ducat doesn't want to be seen as the cruel, evil ruler. But if something like this is allowed to exist, then he for sure is. This scene is full of irony for me because this is past Ducat.

This is before he had a dermal regenerator close up his butthole, remember? Hate. Yeah. Wow. This is also a scene that made me, again, think about what the rules are for time travel, because they're so close to danger here, right? Kiran, her mom, like face-to-face with Zucat. What happens if there's danger? Like the Wizard of Oz analogy is like, can she click her heels together and go back to Beijou in her own time? What would happen if her life was threatened in the past like this? We're never given any indication of what that would be. We don't know what began the time travel, how the timing of where she went back to was picked, or what will end it.

As soon as her mom's image is changed with the dermal regenerator, I'm like, well, did that really happen, or is that a thing that Kira made happen by virtue of her presence? Back to the future, so good at things like this because you get that Polaroid picture. And you get to like visually comp what you're doing to pollute the timeline with its consequence in the future. And there's just for a episode that is about time travel. It ignores everything interesting about time travel and instead is just about experiencing a story as if it wasn't time travel at all. And we've had time travel episodes on this show that we're much more worried about what will happen in the future if

Cisco leads a uprising of four people in San Francisco or whatever. It makes me wish that with just a stitch of dialogue, the time travel orb could just be, it's like a television and not an experience you can change. You can interact with these people, but this is like a place. Just replace. It's a small world ride. These people are going to do what they're going to do.

Just replace Cisco's dialogue about the federation probating, messing with the timeline with, what do you think it's going to get you, like you won't be able to change anything because you can just only observe with the orb of time travel, something like that. Yeah. It's an interesting choice. But I think the, like, hand waving past, it does enable them to make us feel like there are stakes here, where they might not, if we felt like it was just a television. This feels very much like an element to the story. Like we decide the stakes of this after the story has already been written and to an extent broken, right?

Because like if we're writing this in a linear way, you and I are going to add conflict and add danger. As we go and make the stakes higher, but if you've already built the story, then you know not to add those things. Sure. Yeah. Well, the first duty they have is comfort women is to be present at a party for some Cardassian officers. Kira Maru gets grabbed by a young Kara Maru gets grabbed by a young officer who puts the moves on her pretty aggressively and Kara Naree's is made to sit on the knee of a legate who is trying to be sort of the a vuncular legate figure. He's definitely got legate bod.

That's because you Kardashianians eat all our food. And what they do is watch as Gelducat comes in and scares off this younger officer and sort of puts his the game into effect. And his legate really has DuCat's number. He knows exactly how DuCat begs chicks. I only hope you won't condemn us all for the boorish behavior of one man. I only hope you won't condemn us all

for the boorish behavior of one man. Ducat's about to find out whether Kira Maru is a no-win scenario, much like the Kobayashi Maru. LAUGHTER It's interesting how, what a monkey paw situation this entire situation has become, right? Like these women have comfort and food and dresses and stuff, but the cost is hand jobs, so many hand jobs.

Yeah. And Oshid unapproved number of hand jobs. And I mean, that's another thing about this is like the, like the cruelty and gruesomeness of the idea of comfort women is not something the episode is that preoccupied with. It's just like, well, here is put on a dress and is getting tapps, you know, slapped on the butt by a legate. That's a great point, Ben.

These women are for fucking specifically. And it's very chased the way that the episode presents this idea. It treats it like it is fantasy. She's watching a TV episode and not like she's actually at risk of being raped. And I think that that is a pretty strange choice. Kira ends up walking home with this guy and he gives her the pretty hard sell

about going in with her. The leg it's like, now I know I'm in your past Kira, so I have no idea what I'm really talking about when I refer to this, but uh... I believe it is time to produce the white. Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha I'll sleep in mine and tomorrow. Tomorrow you'll be all mine. And he fucking teeter's home. Yeah. Like a drunkard. Here is very persuasive in that way. She, what she finds in her quarters is not Maru,

but Basso and a couple of Cardassian guards. They are grabbing Maru's stuff so that they can take it up to Gildu Cotsquarters where she is going to be living going forward. Looks like you're gonna have these quarters all to yourself, at least for a little while. And so she gets in a great big Star Trek fight with the Cardassian guards, but she loses

and is thrown very unceremoniously into the ghetto side of the space station, behind the gates. She's not gonna fit in very well in the soup line wearing that dress. Ben, she sure is. And a stick out like a sore thumb. Yeah. Really question the wisdom of building a space station

for forced labor with a carpeted floor, you know Yeah, you know that that floor is gonna stink that does not look like in indoor outdoor carpeting either. Yeah, looks bad The soup line server is an informant for Kira it turns out and The Supline server is an informant for Kira. It turns out, and we understand that there's been a jump in time here because he soon tells her that Marui has been off station for a while, vacationing with Golda Kat. And as he does this, he's doing his best to recruit Kira into his own resistance. Yeah, I thought a lot about the implications of this, because one of the things he asks her for is draw a map of the other side of the station

that we can't go to. And Kara would probably be great at this, right? She's lived on the station for a long time. She knows where everything is. I just got the sense that she did not respect his resistance game at all. That's the thing, like, soup lion server thinks that the best way

to utilize Kira is by getting her to draw pictures, but Kira knows that the best way that she can operate as an agent for her own interest is by using her relationship with Kira Maru, like she can operate inside and outside the gate. Basically, anytime she wants, if only by saying that I would like to be friends with Kira Maru. Yeah, that's a real superpower. And it is kind of right as this happens that Basso shows up and taps her on the shoulder and says, you've been summoned by the boss man.

And they go up to Goldu-Cott's quarters. I really like the scanner in the hallway outside his quarters without those are really cool things to have there without commenting on, so that later when she's got a bomb, we're like, oh shit, there's that scanner. Pretty weird, though. Like, Kira goes through the scanner, it goes into the quarters, she finds Maru there, and Maru's like, yeah, so Ducat has allowed me a comfort friend and I want that to be you. Yeah, and I want you to have a few comfort friends and then they get a few comfort friends.

And so on, and so on, and so on. You know how these things go. We could all be making like really good money if you get in on this scheme with me. It's clear that Maru has changed her feelings for Ducat, but it's weird like the way that her brain wash-edness presents itself still feels pretty broken. It's weird, Kira's horrified by what she's seeing out of her mother, but her mother's feelings aren't full-throated support for Galdu Kaa. It's like listening to a person rationalize something awful happening to them for some sort of like greater benefit.

Like how do you convince a brainwash person that the person that they voted for, I mean, fallen for actually hates them and is dangerous and insane. Right. Like that's the position that she's put in, right? Yeah, and there's that cognitive dissonance of they believe that this is going to bring benefit to themselves and their family despite all the evidence to the contrary.

I mean, Kira has all of the arguments loaded and ready, like, what about your husband, she asks. And the math that her mother does is like, what do you expect me to do? Kick and bite DuCott every time he comes near me? How is that going to help to bond or the children? And DuCott comes in here and kind of continues that same line of argument. He is defensive of the way he's treated Kara Maru in a way that you wouldn't think that he necessarily, like I think that maybe if we didn't have a prior relationship with Geldukat, he wouldn't care about what Kira's opinion of his treatment of Kara Maru was, but he does. He defends it. And I mean, I guess that's the

dukat of the past, making the case for dukat being this benevolent leader that he always considered himself to be. Yeah, it's interesting how little work Gull dukat has to do in this entire episode, right? Yeah. Like, it's really about Kira Maruz attitude. It's not about him. Almost whatsoever. That's interesting. Looking at the story on paper, you'd think he'd need to do more, but he doesn't. He's not a different person back then.

Yeah. No, he's not. This episode is about Kira finding out that her mother is a different, more complicated person than she imagined her to be. But I think it's also really interesting that they could use a story like that to tell how DuCott is not a different person in the past than he is in the present. Yeah. So Kira talks her way out of becoming a comfort friend to her mother. And it's thrown back into the soup line half of the station. They get in a big fat fight. And you know, it's like they say never meet your heroes and also never meet your parents. That is what they say. We should have taken that advice. The soup man isn't just a soup server and founder of an Aresad's resistance cell. He actually has access to like bomb making materials.

And what he presents Kira with is a ground floor opportunity in blowing up Goldicott. He's got some jewelry for her and he says, now, you know, this is really nice stuff. Better than you could buy at a store and for cheaper prices. And if you get a couple of friends to start selling this stuff and then they get a couple of their friends, we could all be making a lot of money. This Bejure and Earing has a 20 meter blast radius. That's fucking huge.

This mother's gonna blow big. Yeah, it's gonna blow. Like, I don't... It blows a section out of the station, probably when it goes off, right? That's what I was just gonna ask, like, this little piece of dialogue flies by super fast. But, like, what are the chances that she destroys the station with this thing if it's placed in correctly.

It seems high. It also does not deliver on that promise because we do see it go off spoiler alert. The main thing that soup man is nervous about is tipping off Maru. It's not that it could possibly kill everyone on port the station. Maybe. But curious like, look, I'm not going to tell Maru everything's fine. She's a she's a traitor. I'm planning to kill her with this thing. Maybe the majority of us have a different metric system than we do. Do you ever think about that Adam? Now it's all I can think about and it's making me forget all of the many problems I have with the rest of the system. So she, she, Kira tells BASO that she has some regerts about how she think things were left with Maru

and she would like to go back up to Geldukat's quarters. She is able to walk right through the scanner with the exploding earring and she gets in there. Geldukat and Kira Maru are canoe-dling in You know over by the dinner table and Kira tells her like hey, I I blew up last time we saw each other it was not cool and And I'm wondering if you'll accept my apology. I'd like us to be friends again. There's like a moment a pregnant pause Where you're like is she? Is she not?

Of course she's gonna forgive her. Big hug. Everyone's happy. She does like look to Goldu Kato to get the little nod of approval. You do believe me, don't you, Goldu Kato? Here, would you care for some gum? Baso gives you caught a honey stick that he then gives to Maru and they all leave leaving the cure ladies alone and Kiribaru pops this thing into the computer and starts watching it and it is in fact a video from her husband, Kir'ss Dad, Kyrist to Bond.

She's watching it well, while Narees is planting the bomb in a potted plant off in the corner. Is it possible to fall in love in one day? I didn't. I thought this scene was maybe my favorite of the episode and the reason is that everything you know about Goldukat would lead a person to believe that the video he gives you to watch freely. Like, hey, here's a honey stick, you should watch this. Is going to be a fake or something fucked up or like a video of her husband saying under

duress, like we're getting a divorce, I hate you. I've never loved you like something like that. Right. But because Goldu Ka has such confidence in his convictions and and everything that comes with like the confidence of evil, the truth of what's on the honey stick does not affect him at all. Right. He he's like there's nothing on the honeystick that's going to change what's happening to him or the people that he has a relationship to. And that is almost the most evil part of him, is that he's so untouchable in his own mind. That's what made the scene so effective

is that like it was actually Kira Taban telling his wife how much he loved her. It was the true. Yeah. And that's the part that hurts. Well, it hurts for that reason. Kira Taban telling his wife how much he loved her. It was the true. Yeah. And that's the part that hurts. Well, it hurts for that reason. The scene hurts because major Kira is now seeing this

through her mother's eyes and understanding that the thing Dukat told her in the FaceTime at the beginning of the episode was true and that her mom did go off and live with Ducat for seven years and the you know and and and all of that is going down While we know that the clock is ticking because there's a three minute timer on this bomb So she has to kind of

Realize all of this and then get DCott and her mom out of the room. I kind of felt like she could have just gotten her mom out of the room now. But to leave DuCott there would have some lasting consequences in the time I would break the continuity. Does she, do you think that she saves DuCott just out of a sense of duty to the future. That's the thing about people like to cut, right? You whack that mole and it demar pops up in their place, right? There might be an Uday and a Kuse waiting in the wings for DuCott to fall.

Yeah. It's in the aftermath of the explosion that Kira wakes back up in the temple. It's broken the aftermath of the explosion that Kira wakes back up in the temple. It's broken the spell. It's just a, okay, well, adventure over, closed doors, go back home. And. Yeah, the ride comes to a stop that big metal bar comes up. She gets up, she's a little bit dizzy because she's been rocked a little bit.

She goes and has a chura. She was thinking about slipping the carny at 20 to let her go around one more time, but there's just a little too much. So she hops off and the button on the episode is a scene with her kind of downloading this with Captain Cisco. And having done a little bit more sleuthing, she finds out that her mother died

in a Cardassian hospital seven years after these events. When a genealogy says your family treat, they send you all the records that they find. She was lied to her whole life. Seven years. Do you know how many butchorns died in the labor camps during that time? Pretty wild. Cisco is a great person to have this conversation with Rikira, I think, because he asks all of the interesting questions, I think. He asks the questions that we would ask. If you hated that much, why did you save our life?

The ambiguity of Kira's answer here is that like she did it because she was her mom. It wasn't because she believed in what she was doing. It was familial more than it was for any political reason. Right. Say it's a gut punch of an ending. It's a part of me that wishes that I end. Did you like the episode Adam? You really want to do this here.

Now I'm okay, okay, let's do it. I like the episode a lot if I set to the side that it is a time travel episode. Because this isn't a time travel episode, really. It prescribes to none of the rules, none of the fun conventions are in place, none of the many dangers are a part of it. Absolutely none of it.

Right. This is a lot like the episode where O'Brien goes undercover to get intelligence for Starfleet intelligence, right? This is just a dangerous mission that Kirazan with dangerous people. Right. She may or may not get close to the way that O'Brien did in that one episode a few weeks ago.

So to the extent that you can remove that idea from the app, I think there's a lot to enjoy here. But why, Ben? Why hang this story on a conceit that's so much more interesting? Like, this doesn't need to be a time travel story. Yeah, I'm not quite sure how you break it otherwise, but like the fact that she gets back and she's like, yeah, I ran a Google search and I found my mom's death certificate and it was not as I expected. It's like, oh, you could have just done that.

Yeah, I think in a dark way too, it just makes me think this is like one of those accidentally contemporary type stories that we occasionally get in a show that's more than 20 years old, which is like, you know, my family members might be doing some morally ambiguous shit, and that's putting it like generously, but what are you gonna do? There's still my parents. Right. And I think, uh, I think more and more as time goes by,

that's not going to fly anymore. You know, hope not. Family does not forgive moral repugnance in a way that, uh, it might have worked in the late 90s. At least I don't think so. Personally, that doesn't fly with me. Yeah. The other Thomas Copacci episode with Cura was ties of blood and water, I think. Hmm. It was the title of that. So. Interesting stuff. Yeah. Interesting little sequel to that episode. Yeah. Well, do you want to see if we have any sequel to last week's priority one message? Couple of cliffhangers there.

A favor call. Priority one message from Starfleet coming in on Secured Channel. Need a supplemental link. Supplement? Supplement. Supplement. Yeah, it's extra. The interest alone could be enough to buy this ship. It's up low. Yes, extra.

The interest alone could be enough to buy this ship. Then our first priority one message is from present Tyler and it is to future Tyler. More time travel. I thought that this episode was done with the time travel, but we're just getting started. See I read present Tyler before reading future Tyler, and I thought at first maybe present Tyler would be in one of those big cakes that you pop out of. Not that kind of present. Message goes like this, greetings, Tyler, it's me, you.

April 21st you've just finished a rewatch of TNG and listened to some great pod along with each episode now You're beginning a DS9 rewatch with a pod to go along with it. All right. What will things be like when you hear this p1 Will captain Potter come back please god. Yes, probably well You'll find out one day. Until then. Wow, can you imagine being the Tyler of April 21st? Yeah, I mean, no, but, but wow. So much, it was an innocent time back then.

Yeah, Adam, we have another priority on message from Bridget, last name left in engineering and it's for Ben, Adam and the friends of DeSoto Goes like this today went out of quote necessity I had to be in the office and just before going on lunch my boss asked if I could fix her spreadsheet It was an easy fix, but then I remembered Scotty's advice and told her that it would be very complex and take several hours After a nice lunch I fixed the spreadsheet much sooner than expected now. I'm a miracle worker Alright, that's what you want to do. Bridget learned the lesson of Underpromising over-deliver from Star Trek. Good job, I Bridget

Yeah, that's that's the I would, the most important lesson that Star Trek can teach. That's one of the awesome things about having a technologically illiterate boss, too, is you can really fucking string them along. Like, yeah, just, I don't know if we're gonna be able to print ever again, because this is not a printer problem. It's like a network problem. Right.

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Yeah. Cisco does that thing where he's like, are you asking Cisco the captain or Cisco the emissary? And Kira's like, the emissary and here is like the emissary promise Cisco the captain would never allow this to happen and somehow Cisco Here's this and it's like you know you're right It's a good thing you're talking to Cisco the emissary because go for it I don't know how Cisco can hold those two ideas in his head at the same time.

I think the answer is the same, whether you're the emissary or the captain, how can you risk this? Yeah. It's insane to me. Cisco is my drunk Shimoda. What about you? Dax is my drunk Shimoda in this episode for her extremely insensitive proposition of a party to wharf. Yeah.

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Right. It's the secret sauce. Yeah, yeah. Um, alright. Well, that's, uh, an episode I'm very much looking forward to, Adam. Alright, episode would be nothing without, uh, our Legion of Viewers out there supporting the show. That is true.

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