The Greatest Generation - Write Horny, Edit Sober (DS9 S4E20)

Episode Date: July 8, 2019

When Troi’s mom comes down with a case of baby bump, it’s up to Odo to devise a legal strategy to let her keep her late-in-life child. But when Jake Sisko makes friends with the wrong puff of gold glitter, a novel isn’t the only thing that starts coming out of him. Why does Odo get no respect? Could Tavor Kell design a room uncomfortable enough for Worf? Where did Jake learn his fancy penmanship skills? It’s the episode where we bid a fond farewell to a character we’ve grown to love. Follow The Game of Buttholes: The Will of the Prophets! Support the production of The Greatest Generation.

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We're a little bit embarrassed to have a Star Trek podcast. I'm Ben Harrison. I'm Adam Pranaka. How you doing, Adam? Hanging in there. Shabbat Shalom. We're recording on a Friday. Oh, to you as well.

My mom came to town last weekend and uh... Oh, right! And she asked me how I was doing, much in the same way you did. And uh, I... Are you implying that I wasn't being sincere? No, no, not at all. That wasn't, that's not the point of this at all. And I just said I was okay.

And I have no idea why I said that. And she was like, oh, really? Just okay? Okay, it's fine. Okay, it's just fine. Yeah, I think the problem with that question is it gets asked too often. And then people give kind of knee jerk answers. Yeah, I think the problem with that question is it gets asked too often and then people give kind of

knee-jerk answers and then occasionally you get Asked a million questions about what what means your knee-jerk answer? I really try to give that some thought every time and that's probably a mistake on my part because Those who ask that question aren't expecting a sincere answer. Adam, we were playing a game before we started recording called Marin Chicken, which was, do you have an idea for something to talk about during an open, no, do you, no? Then I realized I did.

It's where we look at each other with guns to each other's heads and ask, so what's your deal? Yeah, yeah. But I realized I had an idea for a tweak on a beloved Marin that we do fairly frequently. The card game that we play known as War. But we recently came into possession of a whole new trove of cards. We both did Yeah, because our card daddy built Tilly sent us huge boxes of cards huge boxes What about we play war with Bill Tilly cards?

All right, I'm into that like do we just blindly reach into the box and pull out a set? Is that how we do this? Yeah. Oh, wow. I found the pack that I'm going to use. Okay, I am going with the first... First pack that I took out. I sort of... Doug for pack that I took out.

I sort of dug for the middle of the box. Unwrapped a newspaper-wrapped plastic. We should describe this for the viewer. If you were to collect baseball cards, you would often encounter a plastic baseball card holder one that can hold like hundreds of cards even That's what we have we have a cardboard box full of these card holders and We've each reached in for a random. Let's do the flip Ready for this Adam. I am three two one Adam

the box that I picked is from an episode of the greatest discovery an off-season episode where we reviewed a TOS episode called MUDS Women episode title Legendarily Horny. And the card I flipped over is card number 24 Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha and hardcore at fenton mud in a team show. That's great. One of our finest hours. Ha ha ha. Finn, I have the greatest generation, 2016 tour poster, two captains, one Nexus.

Wow. And anyone familiar with that tour or its poster will know that I am wearing very little. Yeah, you're in a justice jumper. Haha. Yeah, it is, it is pendulous what's happening to me. And for some reason I'm shooting a phaser, you on the other hand concerned with saving your own life, which is an instinct that I can get with.

On the back, there are tour dates, which I'm really glad to be reminded of. God, that was 2016. Yeah. Was it that long ago? Hmm. I don't know about you, Ben, but I think a tour may in this case, beat an off-season episode. What do you

think? Yeah, I could get behind that. Alright. Three, two, one. Ben, I have a what looks like a tour poster from the 2016 tour. It is the greatest generation two captains, one nexus, tour poster. And anyone who went to that tour would recognize you in your Wesley Crusher outfit running away from a crashing saucer, and me wearing a sock like the Red Hot Chili Peppers. Yeah, I'm concerned that you just got a stack of one thing, Adam. Let's see if that one thing beats whatever your thing is. My thing also from the greatest discovery episode

Legendarily Harnie, it is when a horror Kirk bones and Scotty materialize in the Mirror Universe on the Transporter Pad. Kirk is looking down and disbelief at his get-up. Scotty and Ohorah are shooting each other looks, and bones just has basically one of the greatest glowering bones faces you've ever seen, and the caption caption is a lot of things are getting weird That is a solid caption I Think that like like so many of Bill Tilly's trading cards the beauty is really in the selection of screenshot. Yeah, bones looks

Unbelievable in this picture I might say that that card over there might beat the tour poster this time I think I would agree yeah alright you want to go for the third the the tiebreaker let's go for the third let's just see what what kind of crazy stuff you're gonna flip over this time Adam I'm this time I'm reaching for the middle, okay? Okay, I'm not messing with you. I'm going for the middle of the deck here. Three two one Adam, I've got another card featuring bones from that self-same episode It's bones and the and the lady I forget what the deal was with the with these ladies

But she's she's kind of like slinking around in front of, well, it looks like a medical computer in a quite a revealing garment. And the caption is distracted by his own distraction. Ha, ha, ha, ha. And again, just fucking perfect bone space in this screen grab. I do love a bones face.

Yeah. Then the card that I am holding in my hand has images of you and me. Oh, oh really? In front of a crashing and exploding enterprise D saucer section. Oh yeah. The text on the tops is the greatest generation. Two captains, one nexus, and that's in a nice, nice bright blue. And then at the bottom, it says 2016 tour. Yeah, no kidding.

So that is, that's the tour poster for our 2016 tour, and on the back, it says, the pods are against them, and the situation is grim. Sounds like fun. Man, uh... Great card! What do you think? I mean, that's a... You know what, Bones face won the second round? I think Bones face has got to win the third. And I am shocked.

Shocked I tell you, first ever tour poster loses, the first ever edition of Bill Tilly card war. Pretty shocking. You played that game to the letter, Adam. It's not the spirit. It was like I got a deck full of jokers. And I somehow still lost. You got the oopsol berries of Bill Tilly trading card decks.

I did. I love a big stack of tour posters like this though. This is great. Yeah, that's fun. I'm feeling very good about this box of cards the Bill gave us. Thanks Bill. Yeah, thank you Bill. Adam, do you want to get into the episode that we came to you talk about today?

You suggested that you might be doing a little, uh, kind of an ad hoc drunk ass out. Oh, shit. I did. Didn't I? When we talked about the last, uh, when we talked about the, uh, the, the episode description last time, you know what? I am going to go upstairs and get an adult beverage. That is a great idea. And then when I come back, we will talk about Deep Space 9 season 4 episode 20.

It's called the Muse. Do you realize how incredible this is? No, of course you've done. Back. How many? How many? How many? How many? How many? No, of course you've done. Back. Better than ever. Better now. Adam, I just popped a bottle of sparkling wine.

Wow. I'm going to pour it into a... Champagne coupe. Oh, are we doing a wedding toast? This is a celebratory episode because it's Majel Bear's last on-screen appearance in Star Trek. Yeah, sure is.

So I wanted to send it off right. She's, you know, for better or for worse, Majel Bear is a major part of Star Trek and specifically this character, well, it's on a Troy. Yep. We've really been through a lot with her, and I know she's a character that has gone through

a huge arc that started way back in the first season of TNG. Where is everyone? And I think in a lot of ways, goes through as much character change over the course of TNG, and I think in a lot of ways goes through as much character change over the course of TNG as any character. Makeways, this is the beautiful daughter I've been telling you about Tiana. Yeah, and continues that tradition into today's episode. I'm pregnant. I think you and I have probably come full circle with her too. Like, I've felt a lot of ways about

Loaxana Troy over the years Probably every possible way about her. Yeah, I mean she contains multitudes for sure. Yeah, and I mean this is This episode is is a no exception to that rule. I'll say This episode is no exception to that rule, I'll say. Interesting that she gets the opportunity to write herself out. Major Barrett gets a story credit on this episode. Wow, I did not notice that. Yeah. That's wild.

This episode starts, there's a really cool exterior establishing shot of the station that is very dynamic. It's like a shuttle kind of cutting in between some of the station that is very dynamic. It's like a shuttle like kind of cutting in between some of the rings and many ships putting into dock. It really for the first time in a long time kind of gives the sense of DS9 as busy airport. Yeah. Which I really love being reminded that that's one of the functions it serves. Yeah, I like that too. It would seem as though more episodes would begin on this kind of note, just the bustle and hustle of an airport. Jake is up on his customary

creeping spot on the second level of the promenade and he's just kind of like characterizing people that he sees walking around. He's making notes for stories and everybody sees he kind of spins a little yarn about who they might be, what they're doing. A bolion tries to impress a double girl by wearing a two-paint. Ugly stereotypes are not a substitute

for character development, Jake. Keep that in mind. Oh man, I got to, I submitted a screenplay and a screenwriting class in college once and there was like a two line character in one of the scenes that I just, I just named Asshole. And my screenwriting teacher really ripped into me about that because he said I collapsed the character into that one word, giving an actor no room to interpret this person. Oh, I would say Asshole contains multitudes. You have a special relationship with the concept of Asshole.

Yes. Asshole as an institution. I think we've known assholes of all kinds. Yeah. And there is a spectrum for sure. Mm-hmm. It's an episode that really kind of swings wildly between its A and B stories. You never really know like what is motivating the, you know, cut away from one scene to the start of the next

and in this open Jake kind of makes weird eye contact with a lady that steps off, a lofie lady that steps off of one of these transports and then- Hey lady! Why the long face? It's suddenly New York. She's got a really long face, Ben. That's my point. Yeah. They've, they, they loathed her long. Yeah. They gave her like a six or a seven head with that, with that, with that forehead loaf. But, uh, Odo comes into his office and uh, there's Loaxana, she's having a cry and uh, he does not understand why she might be crying at first and she gets up and confesses

Odo. I'm Craigers. How do you know? Odo, like, searches himself deeply and is like, did I knock her up? is himself deeply and is like, did I knock her up? I mean, she was carrying me in her dress. Is it possible that some of it dripped through? Oh my God, the implications of that are too terrible to even contemplate. I am become pre-com. Ha ha ha ha.

Impregnator of older women. I knew I was a viscous substance, certain times of day, but this is ridiculous. It is rolling timpani sound into theme song. Gold to cotton, the cup, gold to cotton. So if Oda were the father would, would the baby be able to change the shape of the bump? I bet.

No, it's a cube. Yeah, that could be at times funny and painful. Yeah. The baby could probably make pregnancy a snap though, right? Oh, yeah. It could just go straight out. It doesn't. No need to worry about if it's like, if it's coming out headfirst or anything like that.

It's just like any, any part of it is potentially its head. This is an episode that draws your attention to some parts of it in order to obscure the others. Like, Waxana at one point calls it a miracle. I never thought I could have another baby. Because a person of her age does not usually get pregnant, but that idea is brought up once and then totally left in the dust. Because the point of the whole thing is not

that she's pregnant and that it may be miraculous. It's that J. All is her husband. He's Tavnian. And J. All is a guy with some fairly retrograde feelings about fatherhood and the role of the parents because he is Tavnian. And he did that shitty thing where he was a really cool guy while they were dating. And he changed as soon as they got married and now he's like, he's orthodox to have me in. And he's like, if you're having a boy, the baby boys need to hang out with their fathers.

And oh, they're fathers. And get the sense that they really dated that much, to be honest. Like I kind of got the feeling that this is one of those classic lawoxonetroy putting the marriage cart before the relationship horse situations. She says nice things about him though, like in those times before marriage, I don't know, I just sort of got...

She says that he said like some great stuff about her at their wedding. Oh. All right. That's the president that she sites. And like we come to understand that to be like a serious Element of Tavine and wedding customs later, but I didn't get the feeling that they knew each other that well when they first got married Huh, yeah, I could get with that. Maybe maybe my mind was just filling in those blanks Maybe maybe I mean it would be ridiculous to marry somebody that you don't know that well

in this context. Right. There are a lot of fish in the Star Trek C. Luxon is there because she wants protection from Odo from her husband because she does not believe in the whole give up her baby boy to the male father and then never seeing this kid again. She wants to keep the baby and she wants Odo's help to do that. She does not want her child to not even know that women exist until he's 16. What would that do to a young boy? You would think that I didn't know women existed until I was 16.

I was real dumb. And then the existence of women was the only thing that you could think about for the next 30 years. Yeah. Yeah. We cut back and forth between this Luxana story and the Jake story. In an episode that I don't feel like is super confident in which is the A and the B story here. Yeah, I mean one of them certainly ends before the other.

Yeah. But it certainly presented as just kind of a tandem B plus story. I always want to believe that the life-threatening story is the A story, but that's not always the case on this show. No, it's one of these strange episodes where the show has really like flexed its muscle in terms of like big story arcs. At this point, and this one kind of comes along and feels like it is somewhat happening in a vacuum. Yeah. It's a bottle episode, you know? Yeah, it really is.

We go to our Repplement meet cute, where Jake is noodling away on his iPad. And this woman comes in and sits down kind of, does the thing where she gets him to notice her and she notices him. And this is Onaya. Onaya is played by an actress named Meg Foster, who you may remember from the Masters of the Universe. She played Evil Lyn, Adam. After all this time, through this time. Grace is our man. Yeah, who could forget evil lin from masters of the universe?

She's a, she's a busy actress. She's, she's got credits up to 2019. She's, she's stayed working since the 80s. She's great in this episode. This is someone in the, that the production notes indicated that this was their first pick. They always wanted to work with her and they got her.

She looked so familiar to me and I was like trying to see if she did a TNG episode or not, but I don't think she did. She's just been like her 80s and 90s credits are like almost entirely genre television. Right. So I watched a lot of that crap. Thank you, my darling. Star Trek's imperfect future makes it so that Jake is not immediately suspicious of someone who has kind advice and experience to share.

Like, this is like the moment that a little bit took me out of the episode because I was like, who are you and why are you talking to Jake? Yeah, the conversation is kind of about like the, I mean, she starts talking to him about architecture and apparently the architect behind several famous Cardassian buildings as somebody that she knew in the past to vore kill the architect behind several famous Cardassian buildings is somebody that she knew in the past to Vorkill the architect and she makes the case that she's she's bagged a lot of artistic types and and that Jake might be next on her you know the next notch on her bedpost. Do you get the sense that Jake ever wants to fuck her?

Do you get the sense that Jake ever wants to fuck her? It's weird that like her Presentation of this offer feels very sexy and It is almost immediately an aspect that is not on the table and it's not even an Inclination for Jake like when Jake goes to her apartment later. she says, no, this isn't about that. This is about you writing, but it's never even on his mind. I interpreted the way he behaved in the meet cute scene as being almost embarrassed at how strong she's coming on.

Yeah. Like tempted by the potential offer of sex, but also kind of too young and and unsure of himself to play the game at the level that she's playing it. Right. I don't know, but I think you could also make a case for him just being embarrassed and weirded out that she's being so so sexy. Right. She becomes the focal point for Jake for the rest of the episode. So much so that he ditches plans with his father to go to the Bajoran Outback.

Yeah, I mean, he's kind of a prime skipping family vacation age. He sure is, yeah. I definitely skipped a family vacation to France when I was about this age, which I look back on with regret. Boy, that never would have been possible for me.

Skipping was not an option. Wow. Yeah, I stayed home and like, I think I went hiking one day, but just played like Nintendo 64 the rest of the time. Cool. That a great look. I could have enriched myself and had an experience in another country. Jake's rationale seems totally reasonable though.

He's like, I don't want to be the third wheel for you and Cassidy Yates. Like, I don't want to hear you guys one tent over, getting it on. Yeah. So go on your camping trip by yourself, dad. Do you think when you're in the Bajoran outback, you've got to keep your food and garbage in a Bajorin

bear case like like what sort of What sort of wild animals are out there? I wonder. I don't know We found out through discovery that Vulcan has some pretty insane beasts Running around in it's for us. So if if Bay George anything like that I would say that you need to hang your food in a very tall tree. Can we get a tiny sea story where we just cut back to the Visoran Outback and it's like Ben Sisko shooting a Visoran bear with a phaser? Give me a little bit of

that. It'd be like that the scenes in that terrible Michael Crite movie, Congo, or set up turd-ed phasers around their camp. The Captain Cisco comes back to the station just like covered in bare-pelt. The biggest one is for you, Wharf. I have much to teach you about women. To be quite honest about it, that is an appere. A fucking appere. Mr. Bucket, I have to revert back to my bed state. Oh, I don't use the bucket anymore. Speaking of wharf, we go to Corks Bar where wharf,

Kira and Dax are sitting around a bar table with a little oxana who has a pregnant lady maybe doesn't want to spend too much time in a bar, with a little waxana who, as a pregnant lady, maybe it doesn't want to spend too much time in a bar, you know? I didn't catch what she was drinking, but not necessarily the greatest combination. And she... Hey, I don't think pregnancy needs to hold anyone back

from having a good time, Ben. To me, bars are kind of unpleasant, except for there is some alcohol to be had there. I don't know. I'm projecting myself onto her. I shouldn't do that. This does not seem to look like a fun hang as he goes. She is bumming everybody out to the extent that Quark actually levels a legal complaint. She's bringing down the mood in there. Yeah, Quark asks Odo to either cheer them up, which is a hilarious request of Odo, or to have Odo walk locks on at home. And that is the, I mean, given the two choices, I think you know which one Odo is going to choose.

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Because I'm a changeling, I just couldn't do it. Just the worst. One nice thing about being me is I... I fail every blood test. So, when they come around doing the mandatory drug tests at work, I just say, not my problem. Take my giant lake of relatives. Please. Take my giant lake of relatives, please. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha them back to their quarters, they are across the hall from each other. Yeah. She conveniently got placed in a set of quarters right across from him. You and I famously request rooms far away from each other when we're out on tour.

Yeah. Well, I always get the room with, you know, because I have all the status points on the fancy floor and then you get the bedroom. That's right. I get the one that's been smoked in. You get the murder room. Well, Aksana is admiring Odo's gym equipment. And it is here that we realize, maybe for the first time, Odo doesn't have any furniture.

And this is a technology I feel like Wurf should have tried before moving on to the little D. Like if he doesn't want visitors, don't have furniture. Or like bring back the ball's chair. You didn't see furniture. Or bring back the ball's chair. You didn't see a guest ever sit in the ball's chair, Wharf. Yeah, nobody comes over to your house and picks that as where they're gonna sit. Right.

Yeah, so I think Wharf left too early. Yeah, yeah. I feel like Cardassia in room is his kind of uncomfortable. Yeah. Yeah. I wondered a little bit, like, like we've watched Odo do some changeling stuff in a way that makes it seem semi pleasurable. Mm-hmm. And I wondered if

everything in his apartment is kind of a sex toy. Yeah, it kind of looks like everything is a version of the accommodator. Dr. Ruth would ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha and then pivots directly into a pretty deep conversation that they have where Luxana is like, are you over Kira? Because I'm still not over you, and it's here that we learn that Kira and Shakar are still together. I thought it was also interesting she talked about her deceased baby

from that episode about Troy having a little sister once. And it, I mean, this is a great scene. It really gets to the emotional depth of this character. And it's kind of an interesting choice. She's kind of drifting off while talking about it. Life is a search to find the peace you once had when you were safe inside your mother. But I think also getting deep down into some emotional truth while doing that.

I didn't have a mother. This, I think, if we were to note the moment that we finally came around on Luxana Troi, I think it was when she started to demonstrate this kind of pathos. Yeah, having a rich internal life that is unsatisfied is when she started to demonstrate this kind of pathos. Yeah, having a rich internal life that is unsatisfied with her position in the world.

It took several episodes for her to get there. She did a town of ham and cheese story, but those days are long ago. And I think this is a version of her that's very interesting. They continue to be interesting. And it's, you know, we've talked about Odo as a wet blanket several times, but in this scene he turns into a regular blanket.

What a friend. Yeah. Yeah. Kind of a horrifying monstrosity. Like I love a blanket pillow man, Kymira. I love the intention, but like, this is horrifying, isn't it? Like if she were to wake up, he would look, she would look down at what's covering her

and then look at what's above her. I, that would not be restful sleep. Could you get drenched in Odo? Is Odo warm? Mm. Mm. Could you get drenched in Odo? Is Odo warm? Mmm. Eww. I guess the reason I ask is like if that is a cool blanket I could get with that, but if that is a human being temperature blanket that would be awful.

Yeah, yeah. No heated blankets, thank you very much. Yeah, don't need any of that. Well, speaking of things that are draped at them, Jake shows up at Onaia's quarters where she has done like full 86 curtains. Everywhere you look, there are candles and curtains. I brought some of my stories for you to read. I don't need to. Oh, she is in total. There is no Dana only Zool regalia. She's like that kind of Sigorni weavering. Yeah, and she gets kind of, she gets Jake to sit down in front of her and she's kind of talking him through some writing process stuff.

He brought some, he brought some finished stories for her to look over, and she has zero interest in that. Oh, Nia is like, have you heard of Julia Cameron? I'm gonna sit you down and we're gonna get you just writing your morning pages. I don't know who Julia Cameron is. She's the author of the artist's way. And there was a lot about Oh Nia in this episode

that made me think of that as's way. And there was a lot about Onaia in this episode that made me think of that as a thing. Yeah, I mean, she's definitely a character that I feel like you see a lot of in all things because writers are fascinated with the idea of like how to write more better faster and not be stuck with your own thoughts. Yeah. And this is, you know, just one example, I feel like even in Star Trek of that idea, right? The fantasy of breaking through writer's block. She gives him a fancy fountain pen

and some real paper, which is a total novelty to Jake. But in spite of its novelty, Jake winds up having like super incredible penmanship. Yeah, that was great. Like how are you going to be that have that beautiful of lettering if you almost exclusively work in a word processor on an iPad? It would be great if they tilted down off of Jake's face to the paper and it's just like the worst chicken scratch He's holding the pen in his fist What's this a crayon? Yes, it was used by another famous author and now it is yours I'm gonna put this out in the world

I want to see a recut of the scene where where they cut from his face down to the paper and it's like the worst. It was a dark and stormy night. Looking like a doctor is writing it. It's just a picture of Dick Butt. But like badly drawn. Yeah. Yeah. She starts kind of rubbing But like, but like badly drawn. Yeah, yeah. She starts kind of rubbing his writing chakra on the back of his head You stimulate a neural pressure point like this and it's all because she kind of Scribes to a certain theory of creativity, which is right horny at its sober That chapter was not in the artist's way, but I can get with Exactly. You feel where my thumbs are. This looks like it feels very good. But Jake is doing that thing where he's like dispassionately accepting a blowjob

and not really paying attention. Like all sorts of stuff is happening to his body and he is focused on the page. He is focused. We cut back to Odo's quarters where Loaxana is playing a fun game called Find the Change Link. No one ever looks in the toilet. There you are.

This looks like so much fun. Yeah. I legit want to play this game. I mean, it seems impossible, right? Like he perfectly blends in. She just convinced that she's found him too. The question of warmth is maybe even more apt here. Like, if you were to run your hand over the sculpture in the room,

could you feel a temperature change where Odo was? I bet not. It's not. It's a change on like a molecular level, though. Yeah. When they scan it, like there was that whole episode where a change leader was impersonating Kira stuck in a rock. Yeah. And he thought he was like when he when he tricordered that rock, he was scanning rock. Yeah, it's imperceptible. And I guess Laxana must not be able to get a read off of him emotionally in any state, right?

Yeah, yeah, he's unreadable to her. Yeah, yeah. So she is going to sec at this game, but she's still looking like she's having a fun time playing, and so is Odo. Yeah, he gets called away because her husband has arrived on the station. And we get to meet this guy. His name is J. All. Yeah. And his none too pleased at the situation with Odo covering for his wife. And Odo makes a fairly startling announcement in this scene, which is that J.O. is not gonna have any legal claim

to his child under the Tavenian system of justice pretty soon, because the baby belongs to the wife's husband. And if Odo marries Loxana, J.O. out of the picture. We're getting married? I kind of wish J.O. like J.O. is indignant of the picture. We're getting married? I kind of wish Jail, like Jail is indignant about the situation. He's indignant about having to come and find his wife.

But he is not feeling a particular way about facing this description of Tavni and Law and how Odo wants to use it to take his child away. Like, I was bewildered by this. As if Tavney and sort of put up with the idea of wives being taken away by other potential suitors, that this must happen all the time. Well, thems the rules. Yeah.

That is satisfying character rules. Yeah. Yeah. That is satisfying character motivation. Yeah. Yeah. And so the preparation begins for this tavni and traditional wedding. And it's a ceremony that hinges on the groom being able to convince everyone at the ceremony. And in this case, even J.L. of Odo's sincere love

for Laxana Troy, like it's sort of a proof it or lose it situation. Right, and it's kind of a, like that's presented as like a major catch that, you know, I mean, I think that, to some extent, the scene where she explains this to Odo is as much about Odo's love for Kira as anything else. It's not as if I was planning to marry someone else. But that's kind of subtext in it.

Right. Because she says like you're going to actually have to convince them that you love me for real for real. And even my husband is going to have to believe that. Yeah, it'll be a test for someone for whom feelings don't come easy. If you start crying, just try to push the tears onto your forehead so it'll look like sweat. We briefly cut back to a scene where Jake is writing and it's like close up on his beautiful penmanship as drops of blood are falling out of his nose onto the page. Yeah. And that, they kind of brush past that. Like, she gives him some, some Kleenex.

And he's briefly like, oh man, one of my favorite comedians just did an amazing joke about this actually. You ever blow your nose and blow off your whole face? It's funnier when he says it. You know what I love about Odo is you just tells it like it is. He's saying what we're all thinking. Yeah. Yeah. And at this point feels like if you weren't hip to it before you're sort of coming around to the idea that this is a seducent destroy situation on Onail's part. Yeah, yeah, she's a succubus.

The next scene is the wedding. And I was shocked, Ben, that no one in attendance bothered to wear their dress uniform. Does that say that they found out too late? Or that's how much they care about Odo and this shotgun wedding that they're having? Yeah, I don't know. I mean, Odo and Loaxana seem to be the only ones that dressed up at all. Yeah, and I mean, blue corduroy, not the most formal of textiles, right?

No, certainly not. I mean, maybe it used to be. Yeah. Back when it was the cloth of the king or whatever. That's great. Back when it was the cloth of the king or whatever. That's great. But is Odo wearing something or did he change Ling this outfit? Oh, yeah. Like I don't, I don't think Odo is ever wearing clothes.

I think he is in a constant state of full nudity, winning the poo. Yeah. We had to think about. Odo gives it a crack. Like he makes the case, but in a very like diplomatic way, like the case for his, his marriage to Laxana.

J.O. doesn't buy it. It's, it is like a very perfunctory business like statement and yeah, J.O. is having none of it. And then we get an opportunity for Oto to be really vulnerable about his the way he relates to Lwaxana. The day I met her is the day I stopped being alone. I think digs deep and it as much convinces himself as everyone else in the room that he is actually sincerely in love with her. Taking off the table, their gender, I kind of think that Tavni and traditional weddings are a great idea. Like, if like how many, how many weddings have you been to with friends where you're like, boy, I sure hope they make it. I don't see it personally, but like, go get them kids.

But I love the idea. I think it's sort of like what writing your own vows does. That very few people do. But the idea of facing your friends and family and saying, why you want to do this big thing? And making that from the heart. I can totally make it in the case for it. I love this idea.

I wish it were done more often. I think it's cool. The stakes are really high, right? Yeah. Because it's the speak now or forever hold your peace taken to the nth degree. Right. Yeah.

And if you are unable to make that case in front of your friends and family, like what then? Yeah. It's exciting. Jenna is like really great looking. She's two months pregnant. She can drink me under the table. Even now.

Yeah, the wedding invitations just say, possible wedding, RSVP. Yeah, but the scene builds to a really nice emotional crescendo and everyone is convinced. And Jail walks out, not complaining. Like he relinquishes his marriage with Oaxana and therefore his son. And then like all the all the star fleets are standing around with Quark and he announces that they're going to go have a party at Quark's bar because he's a hopeless romantic.

Yeah, I don't buy that for a second. And when everybody is out of the room, Oax Oxygenus is like, oh, thank goodness, that you really sold that, that was great. Glad we were able to pull the old wool over everyone's eyes. And Odo's like, that wasn't wool, that was me. Everyone always makes that mistake. It was me the whole time. It's another kind of romantic and relational rug pulled

out from this poor guy. Yeah. Because I think it was really being serious. Laxana makes two mistakes in this scene. She does not know Odo's true feelings when she shoots her mouth off like that. And she wants to tell the gang after the party that it's not a real wedding. And that's not cool. You're accepting like a, that's stolen wedding valor to go to the bar and accept all the free drinks and like all that merriment.

Yeah. Let's keep you up. We had an apartment in Brooklyn. It was my then fiance and I and another couple. And it was a bit of a party house. Like on the weekends, often, friends would be, would kind of convene there because we had a good amount of space and a yard. So it was kind of a nice place to spend time

with a bunch of people. And at one point while we were living there, a couple that were, I guess, friends with my, maybe there were friends of friends of my roommates, but they came over and they're like, yeah, we just got married. So they're the, he can stay in the country. Like they, they were like telling us about their,

their green card marriage. Oh, that's fun. And they'd like literally just come from the courthouse, but then they invited like everybody they knew to have their wedding reception just at our apartment. Huh. And at a certain point, it was like 3 a.m. and it was like bumping in our apartment.

I was like, we did not agree to this. Wow. Yeah, that's not good. Don't have your reception at somebody's house you don't know. No. Yeah, that's a bad look. I am often surprised at how, like, I've got enough self-awareness for everyone. I have too much, and I'm trying to say.

And I'm- And overabundance. I have that same affliction. I'm shocked what I encounter a person with next to zero. Yeah. It's, uh, well, for us to have a surplus, there have to be people with barely any, right? That's capitalism, baby. More.

More. More. More. More. More. More. More. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha they're having an argument about his work output. She wants him to rest and he wants to keep going. I think that the implication of this scene is that he's been writing flat out for days because Ben went off on his three-day trip and they're saying, like, oh, yeah, he'll be back soon and I can rest then. And she's like, no, you need to rest now because you're not going to be doing that well

if you keep pushing. And Jake is really riding for, I need to see this thing through. I could be done in a couple of days with a real model. We pan over to the answering machine in Jake and Ben's quarters with the red light flashing and it's like the tape from Grizzly Man being played. Jake, you gotta help me. The Bajoran bears are everywhere. I listened to the tape and I totally Jake. He must never listen to it. But anyways, she does convince Jake that it's time to take five and maybe go

have a cup of juice in a nap. And he kind of gets on the elevator and takes it down to the repel mat and gets himself some OJ. And he's really stumbling around. And when he sits down to have his juice, he passes out on the floor of the repel mat. And it's a smash cut to infirmary where Captain Sisko, still in his civilian clothing, is standing over him with Bashir, and Bashir is basically saying like this was a super close call, his brain almost collapsed from some external stimulus, the source of which I know not what.

Yeah, get a load of synaptic collapse. That doesn't sound good. No. It does not. The synapses do not fire well enterprise. So they're gonna let Jake get some bed rest for a while. And one of the pejora nurses is doing some science over him. When Onaya kind of appears in the corner of the room. And she's got kind of like a sparkly glitter ghost effect.

But we've seen coming out of her hands a couple of times. And in this moment, just because of the way the shot was framed, it kind of made it look like there was just a sparkly glitter ghost appearing directly over Jake's face. Right. But in fact, she's like deep in the corner of the room.

Yeah. Not great. This is going to be the first of a couple of Onaia effects that I wish had been better. I understand why they're not, but, but a little bit of a liability in this episode. She kind of boxes the bejura nurse out of the way and then tries to convince Jake to abscond with her to go finish the novel. After the commercial break, it's Cisco Bashir and O'Brien talking about this search for Jake. And what I wasn't clear on in this moment was why they were searching for Onaia and traces of her

psionic power instead of searching for Jake. Like, did they ever mention why that wasn't a possibility? Why wouldn't the sensors pick Jacob? I don't know. Maybe he took off his combat or something. Yeah. The stuck in my mind, Craw. Yeah. There could have been half a sentence of dialogue to clear that up, but they do find psionic energy in the bulkhead, and they know that what happened to Jake was psionic. So they're going to look for whatever, and I guess the nurse also saw this lady so They're gonna they're gonna do a hard target psionic search

psionic roadblocks at a 20 mile radius Gonna search every psionic fox house psionic henhouse and psionic outhouse And we find our man all the bowl houses on DS9 yeah and and say, on a cowhouse. And we find our man. All the bowl houses on DS9. And we catch up with Jake in a Jeffries tube. And Onaya is like literally scooping glitter out of his brain and smearing it all over her decalatage in this scene.

She is really, she is really getting, getting off on this creativity binge that he's having. She doesn't want the blood coming out of his nose because that would be gross. Yeah, yeah, she keeps helping him with the blood, but Cisco finds them. He to his credit tries to phasaser her. I love this. Yeah. He is not interested in studying new life in the aliens' parlance. He does not want to take back. Does not want to study. He chooses to destroy.

Which is great. The only problem is he can't destroy Onaia because I guess with the help of Jake's life energy, but maybe it doesn't matter Fasers are useless against her. Yeah, she She kind of villain monologues what she is and what she did for him before she disappears. She says She's a being of pure energy that goes and finds Brilliant minds she lists heats among some alien names. And I guess the case that she's making is that she's sort of an internal that causes a creative mind to accelerate, which gives

up, gives off some kind of energy that she feeds on and uses that person up, but also gives them the gift of being a name that rings out in history. Nothing, Ben Sisko hates more than a name drop or I think that's why you shoot sir. Yeah, he says you dropped something. Oh, Naya pieces out, like goes through the bulkhead, leaves the station and then goes to warp. Yeah, she must be cousins with the creepy little girl that visited the entrepreneur that one time.

Is she on her way to delta round her four? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Listen, I've lived a lot of life and I think what I'm kind of realizing is I need a woman that is not going to disappear at the arrival of some blue snack. Somebody who can really stick it out with me for the long haul. I've been with Roshan for thousands of years and we're just now beginning to open up the marriage. Hahaha. Hey, I like my chances. We'll have to see if Onaia is game. You know, a lot of people don't realize that, well, in a same-sex couple, Roshan is technically bisexual,

and she does not want to look at me as the person that limits her ability to explore the other side of her sexuality. So this could actually be great for both of us. I am not trying to force that to happen. I'm just hoping that, you know, this being available to both of us is good for everyone. When you're as old as I am, you get to be pretty open-minded. I bet you didn't think you could get to an age where you thought gold glitter was sexy just on its own, but that's how old I am. There was a time when I would come home from the club covered in gold glitter and uh, had after wash that earth pretty fast. Very embarrassing, but not anymore.

Anyways, we've been listening to a lot of Dan Savage and he's given us some ideas about new ways to live our life. And for that I am very thankful. The button on the episode is, Laxana, after going through a successful Tavni and traditional wedding has totally flipped the script on Odo. This comes as a surprise to him. She wants to take a transport back to Betas' to give birth, because she's still in love with him, but she also knows that it's not fair to stick around and love him because of the resentments that are a part of unrecoited love.

I've imposed on you enough. Pretty mature way of doing it. Like, I tip my hat to Lux on a Troy here. Like, she's been around the block. She doesn't wanna go through any bullshit with Odo. Yeah, and also, I mean, I think true to his character, he is back in his box, you know, he's, he cannot bring himself to just say the thing that would make her understand

that he wasn't acting. He's in a relationship bucket, if you will. Yeah, you know, a lot of people get into stand-up because they really want a sitcom. You know, that's looked down on and the comedy can be, but I really just want to sit-com. Is that such a bad thing? I'm less of a stand-up, but more of a storyteller. And ALT's comic, if you will. Yeah, some of my material I do with a PowerPoint presentation.

Sometimes I draw something on an easel. Finally, Jake looks like he's recovered, and his father has just finished reading the manuscript that he wrote with Onaya. This has not often gone well. Other times Ben has read Jake's work, it is inspired some fairly faint braze. Yeah, wow, this shows some potential. Yeah, in this case, he really digs it. It's unfinished, but they begin to debate inspirations relationship with creative work and yeah, and like when and how much Responsibility a creator can notes to inspiration versus like taking responsibility for their own created work

I thought this part of the episode is pretty interesting like yeah, there were reluctance Jake has in feeling like it is Inspiration is 99% perspiration in my case at least twice that he does not feel like it is. Inspiration is 99% perspiration in my case at least twice that. He does not feel like it is and that is I think a very familiar thing for creatives that sometimes you create something that you didn't even really feel that much agency in creating you know you just did it and then it was there and done and you you know it feels like it came from somewhere else. Right. And the case Ben Sisko is making is like,

these words were in you, she helped you get them out. And there's no, you shouldn't feel guilty about that. Like this is, this is really you. These are your characters and your words. You know, you suck at spelling. Yeah. Jake learned how to write cursive, but he did not learn how to spell. I know. I love that he's working without spell check.

I probably suck at spelling too. The final shot before we go to an establishing of the station is Jake titling the book and it's anslum, which is the title of one of the books in that is referenced in the visitor. That's right. So maybe it will happen like that. Yeah, he's gonna finish that thing. Maybe Ben Sisko will have another accident. Did you like the episode Adam?

This feels like an episode for people who liked imaginary friend and the visitor. And I am not one of those people. Yeah, it's kind of just imaginary friend meets the visitor, isn't it? It really is. I mean, there are elements to like here. I like the Luxana Troy stuff.

I like Odo. You know, Odo does that thing where he, he demonstrates some growth and then he withdraws again. And that is sort of a thing with him. Like he can, he has the potential, but he just doesn't quite get there. Like he gets in his own way. And, and

that is interesting to see. And I like stories that tell that give Odo that kind of dimensionality. But like, I, it makes me sad that we're not going to see Lux on a troll anymore. I guess it's a good episode for her to go out on. I mean, her stuff is good for sure. Yeah. Yeah, I would say that's probably the best part of the app. The whole lady getting a hard on just watching Jake write was was pretty cheesy. Like that's yeah, that's not a thing. Yeah, that sucks. Yeah, but I guess if we're like going to argue what science fiction is, like that's pretty science fiction to me. Yeah, that's just pure writer fantasy. What if a girl liked me for doing this?

Both that and like Jake Sisko wanting to live a creative life. That seems like in modern times, fantasy too, unfortunately. But I think it's neat that Jake can be a role model for people who want to live such a life. So in that way, I'm glad stories like this exist. I just don't think this is a great execution of those themes. What about you? I am right there with you.

I felt like it's an episode with a lot of creditable ideas in it and some good performances but it's very uneven and and doesn't really hold together as a cogent thing that I like that much. But you know what I do like Adam. Yeah do you like priority one messages that much Ben? Fucking love them. Priority one message from Starfleet coming in on Secured Channel. Need a supplement? A supplement? A supplement.

A supplement. Yes, extra. But the interest alone could be enough to buy this ship! Adam, we have a couple of priority 1 messages here. The first one is from Jim, and it's too Ben and Adam. Goes like this. Just listen to your Nth Degree episode. Wow.

Was that the actual episode about Nth Degree or the one where we rolled Nth Degree on the Game of Buttholes? Hmm. Who knows. Anyways, just listen to your Nth Degree episode and notice Ben's use of the word Factoid, an often misused word that should describe a commonly held but false speculation. I was then delighted when your use of the word proof correct, and the quote extensive research you both had done amounted to repeated bad

puns and doing bats about made up behind the scene, and then it's just the word scene, and there's no period. Oh cool. Well, uh, good message there Jim. Yeah, thanks Jim. Maybe Jim passed out before finishing his priority on message. It feels like we're in the dunk tank and Jim paid to throw some baseballs at the target. So good job Jim. An episode that I don't think we ever could have imagined was going to be as controversial as it was. Right.

We still get shitty tweets about that. Yeah. Cool. Ben, our second priority when message is from, Jim, I got cut off. The message is for, Ben and Adam. Message goes like this in the middle of a sentence. Made up behind the scenes trivia, you always make me laugh.

Whether it's a special episode or a regular old episode, thanks for the great work you do. So Jim totally redeemed himself. Wow! The second message. Directed by Evneye Shomalon, twist ending. Wow. Great great job Jim. Amazing, if you would like to send us a message with twists and turns, you know what to do. You head to maximumfun.org slash jembo tron.

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I hate having to stand in line, and boy, what do I, these giraffes do not smell good. No, they do not, and they've such short nacks. But I'm hearing we need to get on this arc. We've got to get on the arc. It is about terrain, about a spout to destroy humanity. Hey, oh, sorry, not, and they've such short necks. But I'm hearing we need to get on this arc. We gotta get on the arc. It is about terrain, about a spout to destroy humanity. Hey, oh, sorry, sorry, sorry. Are you Noah?

Yeah, I know we look like humans, but we're actually, we're podcasters. We are podcasters, so it's different. Have you heard of Ono Ross and Carrie? We investigate spirituality, claims of the paranormal, stuff like that. And you have a boat and say the world's gonna end, so seem like something for us to check out.

We would love to be on the boats. We came two by two. What do you think? Oh no Ross and Kerry available on maximumfun.org Black nut, nut, nut, Oopish robo, Do I have my size? Hey Adam! What's that been? Did you find yourself a drunk Shimoda? Drunk Shimoda! Yeah, I'm gonna give the Shimoda to Wurf, who went through

makeup for a scene in which I correct me if I'm wrong. I think it's two words that he says and he sits totally still in that scene in Quark's bar as Loc Son is telling them Her depressing story. He's just staring off into the middle distance and then Odo mentioned something about walking and Worf says algo But the offer wasn't for him. And the choice that Michael Dorn is making here,

like I'm choosing to project a man's disappointment and frustration at having to go through makeup to do his one scene and deliver his two words of dialogue. Like there's a lot going on here. I'm choosing to believe that, but for Wurf to just like, I don't know if a Klingon has ever been in this much existential pain before.

The look on his face is awful. And I love it. I love every choice about it. And for that reason, Wurf's my drunk Shimoto. What about you? Mine is the husband, the original husband, J.L. Yeah. Mine is the husband, the original husband, J.L. Yeah. Skate storms into Odo's office in a huff.

I hope you have a good reason for detaining me, sir. And he has heard Televoto, presumably from Laoxana. And then in making the case for why he is here to get Laoxana, he uttered her name, and he fucking mispronounces it. Yeah. The way we used to. I think there's, there's,

you don't know your own wife's name. We've said Laxwana before. I think that's, that's an easy mistake to make. It's an easy mistake to make, but you're sitting across from an actor who's had a zillion scenes with this character on a set with writers and directors and producers that know all about, I don't blame this actor For for having a bad take but get like go back over it again and get a good take right you know Don't leave that in the show. You don't have to do it. Yeah, so J. All is my is my drunk Sremota for not knowing his wife's name that that clearly

Yeah, I mean, how does this happen? A lot of people on set are thinking about something else. Yeah. I mean, I think it's how episodes like this happen. It's like, oh, we got a fucking get an episode done. Yeah. It's one of 26. What the fuck is the difference?

Ben, what's coming up on the next episode of Deep Space 9? Another one of 26 Adam, it's season 4 episode 21 for the cause. Cisco is shocked to learn that his girlfriend, Cassidy Yates, may be a make-wee smuggler. Whoa. All right. How are we gonna watch it? That is a good question. Only game of buttholes will, if the profits can tell us.

That's true. You're required to learn as you play. Roll. So at present we're on square 14. I'm gonna roll these bones and see what we're gonna do. Fuck. I'll never end! Drink! This is the antidote! I rolled a four atom. see what we're gonna do. Fuck. Oh, love a race! Drink.

It's the antidote. I rolled a four atom. That means our next episode is a Quarx Bar. Great. Great. Been a long time since we've done a Quarx Bar episode. Yeah. Some would say too long.

Some would say not long enough. Right. I think I'll have a better grasp on how I feel by the end of that recording session. Fun. Well, that will be next time. And in the meantime, you can head to maximumfun.org slash donate to support the show. You can head to twitter.com and use the hashtag GreatestGen to find tweets that people drop about the show. I'm on there at Benjamin A.H.R. Adam is on there at Cut for Time. Also, that's a great place to check out the trading cards that Bill Tilly makes for every episode of the show. And also the posters that JJ Lendel makes for every episode of the show, both weekly

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holy rings of Betazette. And unless you want to create an interstellar incident, you had better be back to your ship. Now don't say it, think it. Use your mind, not your mind. Your husband quite likes the idea of seeing me unclogged. Competition seems to bring out the best in the human male. Don't bother to deny it. Your minds are so unsophisticated I can read your thoughts in my sleep. You can't just stroll on to the bridge whenever you feel like it.

I didn't just stroll on there. I took that turbo tube or whatever you call it. How much happiness is there and always being there for someone else and never being there for yourself? You see that that sap running through the veins helps keep it warm. I have a new love Jean-Luc. And you can't keep killing all my lovers, now that simply has to stop. Jean-Luc! You delicious man! You were just thinking of me, weren't you? Oh, I am darn diplomacy. Everyone dresses so well. I am a woman dressing for a man.

Something you might try now in that year. You are a kind woman. No, no, I'm a hateful woman. I hate what you're going to do. And I hate you for doing it. It is the custom for your loved ones to join you with this resolution. Is it not?

Diana, I love you, but you do make everything sound like a knock-a-dow. If we're to be real friends, we've got to share only the truth. Would you care to come laugh with us? Actually, we were about to experience a bug-a-dow. He would not approve of a traditional beta-zoid wedding, so I am happily adapting. Now it's as simple as that. I'm very poor in my body.

Teen rules with contentment. I wanted to teach you how to grab the joys of living. And you turned around and taught me to not let go of them. Make ways? It looks ordinary. I've never cared to be ordinary. So you see, Odo, even when non-shape shifters have to change who we are once in a while. You were so precious to me.

Permission to disembark Captain. Thank you for the drinks. Maximumfun.org Comedy and Culture Artistone? Audience supported. Thank you for the drinks.