The Greatest Generation - Yellow Cake Bakery (ENT S3E7)

Episode Date: June 23, 2025

When Captain Archer leads an away team to a Xindi refinery planet, they meet an Arboreal who likes to drink alone and agrees to help them avoid another attack. But after Trip almost blows up the damn ship, Archer tip-of-the-spears a tracker into one of Degra‘s canisters of kemocite. Who sleeps in a full suit? Where do we need more motion lights? What does civil war do? It’s the episode with Gralik’s name on the box.Support the production of The Greatest GenerationGet a thing at podshop.biz!Sign up for our mailing list!Follow The Game of Buttholes: The Will of the Riker - Quantum LeapThe Greatest Generation is produced by Wynde PriddySocial media is managed by Rob Adler and Bill TilleyMusic by Adam Ragusea & Dark MateriaFriends of DeSoto for: Labor | Democracy | JusticeDiscuss the show using the hashtag #GreatestGen and find us on social media:YouTube | Facebook | X | Instagram | TikTok | Mastodon | Bluesky | ThreadsAnd check out these online communities run by FODs: Reddit | USS Hood Discord | Facebook group | Wikia | FriendsOfDeSoto.social

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a Star Trek podcast. I'm Adam Pranica. I'm Ben Harrison. You like Star Trek jokes, Adam? Yes. I came up with one the other day. I wanted to run by you, see if I can get a silent laugh or no laugh at all. Yeah, I got to tell you, I think there's a legion of FODs listening right now thinking,

I am exactly the wrong person to test this out on. Charlie Brown thinking that Lucy is not going to pull the football away. Yeah. This time I'm really going to kick it. Do you think that Quark has ever said the following in the process of romancing a lady, Hey girl, I got an ear infection and the only cure is Umoxicillin. Yeah, that's good. That's really good. Oh, this is, this is the new thing.

This is, this is the form of approval I'm allowed on this show. I strongly believe that a laugh is something you take from someone. That was really funny, Ben. I put it on Blue Sky and it didn't really get the reaction I was hoping for. I thought I was going to be like the main character of Blue Sky and it didn't really get the reaction I was hoping for. I thought I was gonna be like the main character of Blue Sky for the day, you know? The dozens of people over there would lift me up on their shoulders and parade me through

the most obscure town square on the internet. Just imagine seeking the approval of strangers on a social media platform. What is this, 10 years ago? I mean, I didn't, I wasn't seeking it. I was trying to take it from them, you know? Yeah. I like that. I like that aggression. I like that ambition. I wanted to get that shit.

Ben, I got Ben drink drunk last night. No kidding. Yeah. In my mind, the definition of that is cruising along, being responsible about your alcohol consumption and then throwing a crazy drink on top of everything. I'm out of town with my wife. We're celebrating a career achievement of hers

and taking a few nights away from home. And we were having a nice dinner last night. We're not gonna dox your wife and say what the career achievement was, but let's just say someone's moving up in the old Trump administration. It was delicious wine all the time, afternoon and in the evening.

Why did I decide to order once dinner's done, like plates are getting picked up, would you like a dessert? Why did I order a strawberry Mai Tai? Hell yeah. And let me tell you, brother, the lights went from flickering to just out at that point. I was a ghost ship that night.

Wow. Wow. So you didn't recover much of what happened post-Mai Tai. Could there have been more drinks? I recall it with shocking accuracy. It was just the degree to which the things that I did or said made any sense afterward. And oh brother, my body's reaction to what I did to it last night continues. Dang. Did the Broad not come into it?

Did we not employ our customary prophylaxis? Here's what I'll say about Broad. Broad, a product I love, believe in, and am a full-throated sponsor of. I can't sleep when I take that stuff. It goose is my heart rate in such a way where I'm like, ah, I can't sleep. My heart's pounded out of my chest. So a largely sleepless night last night without a headache, which is why I take Broad. I do not have a headache hangover, but I just feel under slept and a little stomach distress.

Welcome to my world. Yeah, I get that without even having had the fun of a revelrous prior night. Can't wait to leave your world, Ben. Fucking sucks. I was thinking about getting myself a neuropsych evaluation to see if I'm not just depressive and anxious, but also neurodivergent in some way, or something. And I was describing some of my symptoms to some- Hold on, we have an entire audience of FODs with an opinion about this.

Yeah, that's what I was inviting. Are you ready to be re-popularized on a minor social media website? Because I think this is gonna be more popular than the joke. Yeah, I described that and I was like, you know, all pretty much under control. And she was like, you might think that. You know?

That is a neuro doctor's version of, that was funny. Yeah, it really was. Yeah, man. What's wrong with you that makes you think this? Let's work this out on the show. I don't know. I mean, I've basically been in one form or another of mental health care for 25 years. I don't think we're any closer to getting to the bottom of that.

Yeah. You're on the precipice of a very popular article in JAMA or something. Yeah. JAMA, the pajamas wearers quarterly. Ha ha ha ha. For sleeping comfortably. Yeah. You know, these fucking professional pajama wearers

out here, forcing their ideology on all of us, they JAMA it down our throats. ["JAMA!" laughter from audience and audience in background.] Not quite as good as the first joke, but still pretty good. Okay. I mean, it's not a Star Trek-themed joke. It's inappropriate to the show. I want to be published in JAMA, the Journal of Pajama-Wearing Professionals.

I think that would be nice. Are you a jammie-sky? I'm just like an underpants and t-shirt myself. I need something besides an underpants and t-shirt. Often it is an athletic short. Yeah. My father sleeps in like a full suit of... Just put the period there. You know, tuxedo when he's sleeping formal. Yeah. Look, you don't want to get woken up by surprise and be unprepared for a formal gathering.

Oh man, yeah. I mean, imagine there's canapes being passed. Canapes my ass! There's a waiter walking around in your bedroom with a tray full of flutes of champagne. You pop out of bed and your, your dick is flopping out of your fucking tidy whiteys in a probe. Yeah.

Let's think about your dad's big floppy dick. Hey Ben's dad. I know you're listening. Not a listener. Oh, thank God. My mom is though. So she's the one person who can actually picture it vividly. Hey hon, you know, our son's Star Trek podcast?

Your hog came up on it recently. Well, listen to this. I watched this episode like last week. I might not remember anything that happens in it. Could be a fun episode then. You're gonna need to talk me through it. What do you say we get into it? Yeah, it's season three, episode seven, the shipment.

Got free speech and guitar. You know, it's pretty good thing we've got a previously on Star Trek Enterprise recap. If you don't remember the episode. Yeah, this felt like, oh, like we're in like modern TV zone where so many things happen per episode. Didn't it? From episode to episode that you need that context. I found it very welcome. I wish we had these all the time. The trouble is Star Trek hasn't been

serialized up until recently. Not really a necessity. We're reminded of Tarquin, the weird being that wanted Hoshi to non-consensually move to his planet. I never thought we'd think about him again. I know, when I pulled this up, the little thumbnail of the episode was him, and I was like,

ah, those fucking idiots at Paramount Plus put a picture from the previous episode. And I don't think they did. I think they put a picture from the previously on. Yeah. That was the thumbnail for the episode. Yeah, that guy. You don't get paid per thumbnail, I bet.

No one was creating contracts with that kind of carve out. Yeah. Anyways, we find out that he's given them some, something of a lead where they're making part of the weapon. So that's the important info. Our cold open is another Zindi council McLaughlin group meeting. Issue one.

They're at the point where this is so exciting. They're almost ready to test the weapon. Yeah. I love this part of any weapon of mass destruction design. Like you'll live for this moment. Yeah. I mean, this is the first half of Oppenheimer, you know? Just all the excitement, all the buildup.

It's why you even get into weapons making, really. Days like this. Yeah. I mean, there is that one guy in the corner of the room that raises his head. Didn't we test the weapon, technically, on Earth and kill seven million people? Shut up. Yeah, it's weird, right?

The erasure of the weapons test over Florida. Like, it never even happened. If this works, Degra is pretty confident that we're like weeks not months away from a full scale launch. And that's really exciting. Can you tell me if this is my problem or the show's problem when I ask you,

are we afraid of Degra? Do we respect Degra? When he is on screen, do you feel a dun dun dun about even seeing him? I kind of wish for more bad guy vibes from him, either in costume or in attitude. Yeah. Or he just seems very chill as a bad guy.

Yeah. This might be Star Trek trying to obfuscate who is supposed to be who in the 9-11 metaphor of this season. I've forgotten so much of that. What exactly is the comparison you're making? Well, famously, Star Wars is Vietnam and the Empire is a stand-in for the United States and the rebels are the Viet Cong, right?

And I think Star Trek Enterprise, Zindibor, is meant to be sort of the writers' room of the Star Trek program on at the time processing the, we've been attacked by, you know, a group of people we know barely anything about. We don't understand what their problem is with us. They hate our freedoms. So Earth is the United States and the Zindi are Osama bin Laden's terror organization?

No, not necessarily because the Zindi did thisama bin Laden's terror organization? No, not necessarily, because the Zindi did this out of self-defense, or the Zindi getting out ahead of 9-11 and were the terrorists. Ooh, hard to say. Star Trek writer's room, you've tricked us. We can't specifically identify who the good guys and who the bad guys are,

because... Because time travel. Because time travel and because Zindi are acting specifically identify who the good guys and who the bad guys are because... Because time travel. Because time travel and because Zindi are acting the way we might act to defend their people and their homeland. So the point of this scene is to convey that if this test goes well, they'll be able to use the real thing in a different test some weeks later. Oh, I thought that they meant that they were going to do the real thing on Earth some weeks later. Oh, I thought that they meant that they were gonna do the real thing on earth some weeks later.

I kind of feel like with the erasure of the Florida test, maybe we've got a number of tests coming up, many of which are real, some of them are fake. Could be. It's impossible to know. Over on the entrepreneur, we're having a hang in the command center center talking about this place that we're headed, where they are making some of the web.

And it's pretty surprising when they learn that this is a colony of Zindi that is pretty much undefended, not really like worried about the creep up than setting off a military response. This is a realization that I think banks on a lot of the, it's quiet to quiet work that many movies and TV shows have done over the years, you know? Certainly this can't be all there is here. They're gonna sneak in anyways, like they're gonna be discreet.

They're gonna like position the ship behind a moon so that if anybody is looking around, they don't see a huge starship floating in the sky. No one checks their moons. Have you noticed this? You can always hide behind a moon. You've got to put a camera on the other side of the moon. You just have to.

A camera and one of those like motion triggered lights that people have like on their driveway and you know like set it off when you walk your dog past at night. And it is so bright, just astoundingly bright. Yeah. You know what they're gonna discover is that a lot of people walk their dogs

past their moon at night. It's true. Then what are you gonna do with that knowledge? Yeah. So behind this moon, Enterprise is parked and Archer flies a shuttle pod down to the surface with Reed and Major Hayes. And it is a fairly rough ride down to the surface.

They find a complex, or maybe you'd call this an installation. Facility, whatever the Golden golden eye name for it is. Yeah, which I think we got wrong one time and threw Windy off looking for a music bed for whatever we were talking about. Or just the worst. Anyways, yeah, facility.

Or is it complex? Or is it installation? I think I remembered it as facility, and I think it might be complex. Yeah. Not be complex, the vitamin, which I take. And not like the concept of complexity. No.

Right. Anyways, yeah. Arboreal's in D. I kept writing planet apes in my notes because they look like they're from Planet of the Apes. You damn dirty ape. I mean, specifically Dr. Zaius. Like, that's what this guy looks like, utterly. And you can't tell me that they didn't know that

when they were making this creature design. I think it's homage. It can't be anything but, right? Yeah, I mean, this is the opposite of the Metasaurus Indi. Metasauruses? This is the Brontosaurus Indi, right? Archer radios up and the crew aboard the Enterprise are like, great, we'll get the rest of the Makos together and we will come in hot and take over this facility. And he's like, no, no, no, no.

Let's figure out what they're doing here first. Yeah, let's be quiet about it for the moment. We can always send them in later, right? Like get them ready. Yeah, get a layout. Yeah. It's so useful to have a map for those things. I love the layout of this base.

Like it's got base dome, the way you see many science fiction bases, but then it's got this like arm over the top with another circular observation deck looking thing. I thought it was a very handsome looking base. I wanted to go up there because like they do some cool stuff with the effects here. Like the base looks great.

And then like we go into this room that it's like kind of a lab that overlooks a factory floor and like the lookout, the window onto the factory floor, I thought looked fantastic. Look at them go. Yeah. Just making whatever it is they're making there. Oh, they find a radiologic compound and then they have to like, all go hide under a desk because some of these planet apes come in

complaining about Degra. In order to get on the level of this show, you must believe that a base that makes nuclear materials does not also have any sort of security system that involves motion sensors and bright lights even. Yeah, no. Not on their moon, not inside a base like this. Yeah, because you can use it for bad stuff, but you can also use it for good stuff.

This stuff has so many uses. Yeah. This is a yellow cake bakery right here. Yeah. I guess you can say I sex it it up for you. No extra charge. Sarah Lee had no idea what they were trying to do with that stuff. Yeah.

One thing that struck me about these Planet Apes is they've really gone down a redundancy rabbit hole with regards to keeping their trousers up. Three belts on these guys. Three belts on these guys suggests three different rows of belt loops, which just sounds like hell to me. I'm constantly missing a belt loop, constantly checking myself to make sure I hit all of them. I can't imagine getting ready for work

if you're one of these guys. Oh, man. It must be brutal. I mean, do you think that there are also three belt, three suspenders in these? Even more conscientious about making sure that their pants stay up. I wonder if that's really the goal of these things,

because they look thick like weightlifting belts. Like maybe these are the sort of Zindi, the Arboreal Plantasaurus Zindi, also big clean and jerk enthusiasts. They just came from Armin Backday. Yeah, you'd have to take the belt off. Just leave it on. We might get down and do some shups mid-shift.

Degra wants a lot more of whatever they manufacture. And that, we learned, is called chemosite. Sure is. Apply directly to the canister. Chemosite Applied directly to the canister. Chemosite. Applied directly to the canister. Chemosite. Available at Walgreens. If we change the words, then it's fair use all day long.

Tripp beams up a sample of this and is going to look into what it is and what it can do. There's still some debate like could we just nuke the site from orbit? Two spatial charges. That's all it would take. Fucking A. Archer doesn't want to do this because if they can figure out who's picking up the chemo site and where they're taking it, that might lead them to the rest of the weapon construction operation. This is very much like the moment of truth

in a police procedural where it's like, all right, well, do we arrest these folks or do we see how the drug dealing infrastructure actually works as a business? Let's wait. Let's wait and see business happen. We see where the package is, but where's the safe house, where the re-op is?

Exactly, Yeah. They follow one of these guys home. He goes into his house and pops some booze in the fashion of all dudes going home in all TV shows ever. You ever just walk into your house and the first thing you do is pour some brown liquor in a glass? Where's this guy's wife or partner, I wonder, just absolutely kicking him in the junk about like,

you're always working too late. You come home and start drinking immediately? Like, when do I get some time with you? We have a child. A child you're neglecting for all of this work. Where does it all lead? Is kibosite that important to you? More important than your wife and your child?

Yeah, evidently not. We don't get that kind of backstory with Greylic. Instead, it's just the hard drinking of a single man. Yeah. He gets surprised in his house by Archer and Reed and Hayes. I was very distracted in the scene by how boomy the audio was in his house. What do you want from me? Sit down! It really sounded like a room full of hard surfaces, and they struggled to make the dialogue sound

the way it does in the rest of the show. Hmm. I did not get that on my end. Oh. But good Reed. I love before they get the jump on him in his room, like Reed gives Archer the news on this guy, I did not get that on my end. Oh. But good read. All right. I love before they get the jump on him in his room, like Reed gives Archer the news on this guy and he's like, you know, this is a workaholic who lives alone. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

He's just focused on his work. He has no friends and that's fine too, right? We all agree that that's a perfectly valid life choice. It doesn't make him a creep. Just because he spends his time drafting and redrafting letters to old girlfriends, doesn't make him a strange man. He's normal. We're just normal men. This is great. Like, I think for Reed to be in the room here would be a bad choice on a number of levels because of this.

So like that's why Archer, I think, kicks Reed and Haze out immediately so he can interrogate Greylic on his own. Let's be honest, Haze. You don't seem not like that. Yeah. Did you catch Greylic's last name? No. What's your name? No. What's your name? Grelik Durr.

You gotta feel bad for this Indy with names like this, you know? I mean, yeah, no one wants to take that last name. Yeah. That's correct. No wonder he's single. Yeah. I prefer to spend my time in the forest alone. I'm proud of my craft, Captain.

I've practiced it for many years. Let's hope so. He gets asked by Archer what the hell chemosite is, and Greylic is that kind of professional so adept at obscuring the truth, where he kind of gives him an answer, but it's so obscured by this other vague information about it, it doesn't really mean much. He's just a scientist and he's not concerned with what they're even

making at this facility. They're just making it. Right. He's a manufacturer. There are a million applications. It's like a cement manufacturer, just because sometimes cement is used by mobsters to give guys shoes that help them sleep with the fishes. The guy at the cement factory doesn't think that he has blood on his hands. And that's sort of what comes out in this conversation. He doesn't even really know about Earth. I don't know her.

And Archer's pretty surprised by this. He imagined the Zindi society would just be kind of like all on a war footing toward him. And this guy's like, I don't think about you at all. Yeah, it's like a social situation where someone's like, I went to Yale, like crickets, like, okay, cool. What does that mean actually? All I ever wanted.

So in an earlier scene, they beamed up a container out of the lab to Enterprise and on Enterprise, Trip and T'Pol are working on the study of it. And in a radio call to Archer, they can confirm that it's made the same stuff as the ship that attacked Earth. And Trip wants permission to keep working this problem, going so far as to take apart another thing that they have in their possession as Zindi rifle. Yeah. And Archer's like, sure man, go for it. Reed is very impressed with Archer at this point.

Congratulations, sir. Yeah, kind of a weird moment, right? This seems like a little bit... Is he kissing ass for like a promotion or something? That's the impression that I got. Like, what is Reed going to get out of congratulating Archer for how far they've come? Because this moment doesn't exactly seem like something we're celebrating, right? Like Archer would rather not make war, but in response to the millions already dead, what else can they do?

I need something to do on this shit, come on. Oh, fair enough. This is the first time I think Archer has had to confront the idea that the Zindi think that they're acting in self-defense. Yeah. And, you know, this goes to that muddying of who is who in the metaphor of this season. that muddying of who is who in the metaphor of this season. That makes it hard to feel totally good about rooting for Archer and the Federation, right?

Yeah, and I think that that feels very like Iraq War. Like there were lots of people that were like, why are we doing this? And the idea of like getting there and meeting somebody who didn't have anything to do with it being kind of an unmooring feeling for someone involved The idea of getting there and meeting somebody who didn't have anything to do with it being kind of an unmooring feeling for someone involved with the Iraq War is something I thought about in this episode.

I think it also matters that Gralik is a vegetarian, as a part of his species, right? He is portrayed as kind of a peaceful lab man who wouldn't even eat a steak, you know? I don't know why I just got an image in my head of that anti-piracy commercial. You wouldn't eat a steak. So the plan at this point, yes, blow up the facility, but what about Gralic?

We don't know what to do about the Gralic problem yet, but leaving a living witness with knowledge about who they are and what they're up to seems like a bad idea, even if they don't say it out loud. Bad opsec, but it does change the kind of facility destruction that's on the table. Like, we're not nuking from orbit because there's also like people that live here and work around the facility and Archer does not want collateral damage. He is not going to destroy facility and innocence along the way. But like how rock and

roll is he? Hard to say. One wonders when we're talking about Dark Archer the way he has been this season. Yeah, I mean I feel like this sort of like bumps him out of Dark Archer though. Like Greylich being so much not what he expected when he got a Zindi to interrogate. So this is a much larger conversation that Archer and Greylich are going to have over the course of this episode and Archer is going to want to prop for this going forward. So that's why I trip into Paul Beam, beam a part of this indie weapons probe down to him so that he can prove this point with it. Yeah.

Greylich is like wanting to get back to work and is confronted with this fragment of the probe that pierced Florida. And he's like pretty deep in denial about, you know, this potentially having been something that involved material he manufactured. He's like never even heard of Earth, but he's going to scan this thing, I guess, see if he can satisfy himself.

That's just a yellow cake. Yeah, it's very sexy. Just perfectly innocent. No frosting even. Yeah. So on Enterprise in the Armory trip and Dr. Flax are looking over this Zindi rifle and Dr. Flax is like, why am I here? We're talking about rifles.

He's there because this rifle is full of worms. And why, when you take a worm out of this rifle, does another worm appear in its place? Gross. This worm really grossed me out too. Really good like goo design on the worms. Do you have a preferred pasta shape for your cheesy sauced pasta?

Because this really read to me as like the big shell. You know, like eventually you reach a size of pasta, like a manicotti size pasta. Where you're like, after that point we're stuffing. We're not trying to like toss in sauce. That's what I'm saying. This feels like stuffing worm and not pasta worm. Yeah, yeah.

Like when it grows back. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, Dr. Flux, we should say, not grossed out by this. Intrigued, actually. Yeah. You see his super long tongue come out and lick his lips. Legally it's just a fart joke. When I was seven, a neighbor I knew from church

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Back on the surface, Grelick has started to be more open about what they do at the facility. And we learned that chemo-site can be used for just so many things. Yeah. And they were just happy to get the work. Like that's kind of the thrust of this moment. Like, look, we're lab folks, we live a simple life,

but I got to tell you, no one hates making a lot of money, right? And this guy, like, he's proud of his skills as a chemosite refineries, like we make some, some of the most pure uncut chemosite in this sector or whatever. Like this guy said he was using it for research, but I guess that means like the primate Zindi might be as bad as some of the other kinds of Zindi, the reptilians.

Or we find out there is inter-Zindi racism. Of course there is. Admirably, to their great credit, the Zindi Legion of Doom have seemingly solved. Like those guys seem to be working together pretty good. You know, they don't always agree, but they're not like attacking each other based on their ethnic identification or whatever.

I mean, it's incredible what a common enemy can do. Yeah. We also learned that Degra is sort of the ringleader of this group of Zindi, and this is something that Archer wasn't super clear on before. Yeah. Grelik is permitted to pour himself a drink as they discuss things.

Things are getting pretty casual. Talking about the destruction of the Zindi home world at the hands of the insectoids and reptiloids and how the Zindi birdmen were casualties of that. Really sad to hear about the Zindi birdmen. RSVP, all Zindi Birdmen everywhere. But that's what a civil war does. It kills all your birds.

What specifically killed all the birds was a bunch of weapons that got buried under tectonic plates and exploded all at once. It destroyed the planet. And I guess, explain to me this, Ben. How could the birds of all the species not flee in time? It seems like they're uniquely able to flee. Yeah.

But then if you fly up above the atmosphere, that's no good anymore. Yeah. Birdman's had to die. Yeah. And so like the Zindias sort of become the alien trash of the Necrit Expanse, not the Necrit Expanse. Which expanse is this? The Delphic Expanse?

Precisely. Yeah, you could say they formed a diaspora, right? Yeah, Necrit Expanse was that mappable ass place. I said Necrit Expananse, fuller than my pants. Hayes interrupts this scene to tell Archer, we gotta talk outside. And that's because there's been an increase of activity around the compound.

And T'Pol and Archer confirm this by saying, there's a ship and it's inbound. And wouldn't you know it? It's one of the ones that attacked them earlier. And that means Repto's Indy have arrived. We start watching what's going on down at the complex and or facility using some kind of like technical range finders where we actually get to see Degra.

First time Archer and Degra have been on the same planet at the same time. Got to be nice when the executive class goes to meet labor in this way. Good for him. Oh yeah, and Degra's got like kind of like a bad glue on mustache and some big frames and like a trucker hat. Yeah.

Trying to blend in. He's just met many of these laborers, but like the very first thing he asks about is like, what do you think of Degra as a leader? Pretty neat, huh? He does a lot of things that make sense, wouldn't you say? It's cool because these business leaders such as Degra are sometimes depicted as being heartless, but when they give $10,000 to a single one of their 180,000 employees, you realize that

they're actually really good people. It does not seem as though Degra is getting along with the gang though. No. They are not in agreement on a number of things. It looks like through the binoculars. Back up in the lab, Flax and Trip talk about this biomechanical rifle.

And the idea comes up of figuring out a way to make the rifle sick so it won't work as a way to prepare for some kind of like boots on the ground, Zendi assault that they might have going in the future. Radioactivity is one idea. How long did it take for you to realize that this is a rifle that did not shoot worms?

Oh. Worms like so much ammunition in the part of a rifle where you would presume ammunition would go and be chambered. Like there was a part of this visually that it took this scene to realize for me. Like, oh yeah, this is just like the way it works. It's not the thing it shoots.

The worm is like the power source, right? That's what I understood it to be. And that's why exposing it to radiation could be a way that they could turn all these weapons off in a way that make them useless. Right. Just not Omicron radiation. And Flox shows like a bucket full of worms that grew under exposure to Omicron radiation. And Flox shows like a bucket full of worms that grew under exposure to Omicron radiation. Restaurant style mac and cheese in this container

with fillable pasta. Fillable ass pasta is what they made it out of. It just doesn't make any sense. There's like panko sprinkled on top. Like why why did you take the time to do that, Fox? I know you can because pasta's ostensibly made out of the same stuff, regardless of shape. But like I'd never sit down to a bowl of lasagna noodles with butter and garlic. That just seems like a nightmare. How'd it get into your mouth clean?

Yeah, that's like eating a salad that hasn't had the leaves chopped up or torn, you know? It's just too messy. Yeah. The French do that, right? They like fold up their leaves, their leaves of lettuce. And the Italians, they just give you a pair of scissors to cut up your lettuce instead of cutting it beforehand.

Just leave them on the table. It's authentic. Hmm. So Grayling explains to Archer that he's got this meeting with Degra and he's like, I don't want to be involved in this like mass murder scheme that Degra's doing. Like I'll, I'll go talk to him.

I'll see if I can get some information about what he's doing. But this is fucking risky because this requires Archer extending trust to a man he assumed would be his enemy, like 20 minutes earlier. How much time does it take for you to clock that someone is sincere or not?

This is the risk in this scene. Yeah. Do you really believe this guy? Did my story of seven million deaths in Florida radicalize this guy enough? Or has Florida's reputation preceded it and he's like, yeah, you know, hard to feel that bad. A guy who has already demonstrated a complete lack of knowledge about Florida or Earth or humans or anything. So you're going to have to believe that in a very short amount of time, he really cares now.

It goes to what an asshole Degra must be in just like interpersonal interactions that he's like, yeah, that does sound like some shit Degra would do. Yeah, it's more about Degra than it is about Grelik, right? Yeah, yeah, it really is. So some more planet apes come looking for Grelik.

Oh, no! I love that they knock on the door. There's like a couple of seconds where everyone's real still. Like, shh! They'll leave, right? They'll leave. And they do! Like, these are apemen. Who knows what sensory capabilities they have. They probably smell the humans in there

if the door got opened, you know? Yeah, I like that theory. Except for they didn't notice the humans in the lab earlier. No, so that would cut against that theory. I think it also establishes that these are residential buildings and not company housing in a way that would allow employees to just bust open and look through there.

Yeah, it looks like a very personal living space. Yeah. It looks more personal as a living space than most of the houses inhabited by most of the Real Housewives on any of the Bravo shows that I watch. Oh, not a white refrigerator. Girl, please put your shoes on. Let's go find your home, honey. Ooh.

So anyways, Archer's kind of encouraged to reconsider Graylik's offer of going undercover and talking to Degra. And meanwhile, Trib and Flax are getting ready to do a test fire of this rifle. But T'Pol is standing there in the high bay that they're in, expressing some concerns. Like what if we'd have no idea how powerful this thing is, it might punch a hole in the hull of the ship. Tripp's like, what are you talking about? We got this one foot by one foot metal plate in front of it. What are these little worms going to do? What are these little worms gonna do? I like T'Pol in this scene being the voice of reason here.

I am in command of this ship and I am feeling some second thoughts about test firing the weapon here. I also just love the image of Fox and Trip as being like two little boys screwing around with dangerous shit when dad's away. This scene is totally coded as that with T'Pol being the mom. You know nothing about this device. Now you boys be safe.

Shoot your eye out. So at the lab, Degrra and his buddy from the reptilian species spend a little time talking shit about their arboreal cousins. Meanwhile, like, Grelik and everybody are, like, out in the forest and some, like, Echo Papa 607s come chase them. Yeah.

So, they flee Grelik's residence because, like, after those knocks, those aren't going to be the only knocks that happened on that door. People are going to be looking for Grelik now. Yeah. And out in the forest, you're right, some security drones find them and Archer shoots one. You would think that shooting a drone wouldn't help, right? Like the drone is broadcasting back to wherever. I mean, especially if you can't kill it with the first shot the way Archer does.

Archer can take one of them out. Reed cannot. Reed, for all of his target practice, bona fides, can't actually make it happen when it matters, when it's in the field. It's a practical situation. Once this other drone escapes, he just sits down on the ground right there in the jungle and starts writing letters to exes. Yeah, that's it for him. All right, that's a Rap Unread, series Rap Unread. It's good faith to believe I can do the parody.

I think this is an important scene and here's why. We need to know that the reptilian zindi are smart and they have good technology because there's something about the arboreal zindi that feel like less than in that regard. They're doing a lot of the manual labor, they're doing the mining and refining and stuff, but they don't necessarily, like they're aware of how technologically proficient the reptilian zindi are,

but they don't seem to be on their level. Yeah, and it's interesting that there would be like some technologies that are not shared among various factions of the Zindi. When you see the way Greylich lives in that hut, you're not thinking drone people. No, it's a lot of like wood carvings and stuff in there. Like that's not, that's not the kind of person that has an autonomous killing machine at his disposal. I mean, I have an open mind. I'm ready to be surprised.

Sure, yeah. It doesn't seem like it. Like maybe he's undercover as a carving of wood guy. Certainly now would be the moment that Grelik deployed something like that in response. That would be fun. But instead it's just like, let's go hide in some Star Trek caves

cause now they'll definitely be looking for us now that we blew up one of their drones, but let the other one get away. Speaking of things that blow up, Trip Tucker tries to fire the Zindi rifle. And it's a dud. Yeah. Why won't it fire?

Do you think it like, it's coded to Zindi physiology or something like that? I sure thought that too. Yeah. And then all of a sudden, like large gauge pasta, mac and cheese starts spilling out of the chamber. It's such a mess. And it's too hot too.

Like, how is it this hot for this long? It will burn the roof of your mouth and it like, it doesn't seem to be able to cool down. I mean, until it does and then it gets too cool. There's a range where it's deliciously warm enough that it's vanishingly fast. You have like three and a half minutes to try and eat as much of this as possible

and then it's going to be so coagulated it's basically inedible. Yeah, in danger of coagulating everyone in this scene is a rifle that is clearly about to blow up. So Trip has to like sprint to the transporter room where the transporter controls are and beam it into space. And oh no, he hit the button that makes it beam into space the size of the entire ship. I hit, in big in transporter and not just transporter.

That's a fun setting. Is that how that huge Spock happened? My thoughts exactly Mr. Spock. So one might assume Mr. Spock. It should surprise no one that a explosion of this size also does not get the attention of any other starships or the planet below. No, yeah.

The moon hides all. This is the fucking perfect hiding place. Yeah. Speaking of hiding, Archer is at this cave area and T'Pol is like urging him to come back to the ship, but he doesn't want to. Grelik is like, so like, we're going to nuke the site from orbit now, right? Like, that seems like kind of what is left on the table given the fact that we are like

hiding in a cave from the bad guys at this point. Yeah, the only benefit to the cave hideout is being obscured from the insect Zindi sensors, but you got to believe that's not going to be a permanent solution to this problem. It's an interesting moment because Archer realizes that he might actually have an opportunity to make Zindi allies here. Yeah, and that's a big part of why he trusts Grelik at this point. It's a way to stop the weapon from being made that he had never really considered when they went into the Expanse.

So, trust is gonna start running both ways. And he's like, all right, Grelik, go talk to Degra and give him the chemosite and like, wish him luck. You know, like you normally would. Yeah. Come up with some story why you were blowing up drones in the forest, and then, uh... Just come up with the thinnest possible excuse

why at a really important time in Chemosite production, you were just out doing a bug hunt or whatever. He'll believe that, right? Yeah. He seems like a pretty chill guy that's prepared to, you know, grant trust and, uh, forbearance to people, you know, at the drop of a hat. Is there any wonder why, as soon as Greylik

turns to go home alone, Reed tells Archer that, I don't agree with this plan, dude. And Hayes is like, me too! I don't agree also. Yeah. dude. And Hayes is like, me too. I don't agree also. Archer isn't trying to hear this. Just offering a tactical assessment, sir. Noted. So, Greylich is at the facility

and he's getting his two henches back to work. And what's clear is that there is the idea of a final delivery that they're gonna prepare. And that Greylich is in charge of this final delivery sort of means that they're going to prepare. Yeah. And that Grelik is in charge of this final delivery sort of means that they're going to pack, they're going to allow something special to be packed in with this last batch of canisters. Yeah. This gets beamed to Archer and it's the canister

that they sent to Trip, uh, but it has now been like adulterated with some substance that makes it trackable across subspace. Degra and the Reptilian come back to the lab and start talking to Grelik. They have a lot of predictable questions about what he was up to and what happened to their drones and why he's been so hard to reach lately. He takes great umbrage with his downtime being interrupted by drones. Yeah.

And he makes the case that shooting and destroying them was a totally plausible reaction. Yeah. Also a thing he has to sell them on is why he's re-scanning all the chemosite and checking it for purity. They're like, there's never been a problem before. And he's like, leans on his reputation as a perfectionist

who only delivers the finest in chemosite. Yeah. I mean, his name and his picture is on the box. Yeah. Yeah. When you buy Dr. Greylick's chemosite... Mm-hmm. He's kind of the Papio Daniel of Zindi Chemosite production. It's ready in the microwave in three minutes.

Yeah. Like fucking delicious. Like people depend on this stuff. So Archer sneaks back into the facility, puts the canister. He actually goes onto the transport ship, right? He doesn't go back into the lab. I love the absurdity of not the beginning of this, but the end of this. Yeah. I love the absurdity of not the beginning of this, but the end of this.

Like he gets in there and he plants a container and on enterprise, they get a report that Archer is on the shuttle. And this is a good feeling, right? Like the mission's underway, sneaky Archer. Archer also good at sneaking into facilities as good as he is at sneaking out of them. It didn't seem like he was being as quick about this

as he could be, because they keep cutting back to like Degra and Greylik, and they're like walking over to the ship, everything is like kind of converging on Archer, and he's like, all he has to do is open a Pelican case, slide this canister in and get out of there. Seems like it's taken way too long. It takes so long that outside the ship,

Degra and Grelik are talking, and Grelik is forced to do that thing where he notices a thing over the shoulder. He doesn't want to create suspicion about what may be happening behind his back. Right. And so he's got to maintain eye contact. Yeah, get caught in the thrall

of an over the shoulder attention holder. Exactly. And so Get caught in the thrall of an over-the-shoulder attention holder. Exactly. And so, I would say the most intense part of this episode is this moment, when Greylich is trying to hold his gaze for as long as it takes for Archer to lower himself on an elevator down out of the ship and to run away. Was it a digital Archer running off into the distance? It sure looked like it. Yeah, it looked like video game archer. Yeah, like Unreal Engine 3 archer.

Yeah. There is a moment in this conversation, it's not just about distraction, it's about information, because Grelik is like, look man, I know it might be a breach of protocol or whatever, but like I've already told you how proud I am of the stuff that we make here. I'm just kind of curious, what are you gonna use it for?

Don't ask. Degra tells Grelik about the ruthless alien threat that they're in danger from. And I thought for sure it would be the moment that Grelik switches sides. Like why, why wouldn't he be on team Zindi at this point? But also why wouldn't Archer have talked about that with him? Yeah.

Yeah. He's not given a lot of information to make the most important decision of his life. Yeah. Tell me Mr. Grelik, how much have you ever lost on a coin toss? Absolutely. Yeah. I just watched Hamon Hamon.

I think it's Penelope Cruz's debut, but it's also the movie that she met Javier Bardem on. And the whole premise of the movie is that Javier Bardem has a huge penis, and there are just so many shots of his dick through his pants or... in underpants. It's fucking incredible. Highly recommend the film Hamon Hamon.

Oh, yeah, I'll put it on my list. I guess so. So mission accomplished and Archer and Grelik share a drink after this has all gone down and Grelik is like, didn't want to tell me about the, my people being destroyed element of this whole thing. Like, did I just help you kill all of my people? Yeah. What the fuck? And Archer's like, I promise I didn't.

A pretty good moment of truth. Massive amounts of trust going both ways here. Yeah. Massive amounts of confidence too. Greylich is like, I could deal with Degra. Don't you worry about him. God, I sure hope so, buddy. I'm not sure that there's much about this part

that I believed. It was a huge risk and it appears to have all been for naught because no sooner has this transport left orbit than they lose the tracking signal immediately. I kind of love this moment. Like I like it when things don't work on TV shows like this. Yeah. Especially if they're serialized. Like you can't have every plan be successful. No. If they could just find Degros whenever they

wanted like season over. So yeah they blew it but we learned an interesting thing today which is that not all Zindi are bad Zindi. Some are good Zindi. Yeah, what do you think about that, Archer? Nearly makes you think. What do you think about this episode, Ben? I can't pay. Couldn't forlate.

Got no case. Tempting fate. I liked this episode. I thought Greylig Durr was an interesting guy. And I think it's hard to write a character that doesn't know about the plot the way he does, you know? Like, they did such a good job of having him be the main character of his own story. And like, this season of Star Trek entered his life all of a sudden. He's like, what the hell? Like, and he has to kind of learn about it after the fact in a way that like,

isn't boring and annoying for us, but actually adds to the complexity of the story. So yeah, I thought it was a good one. How about you? I like a mission within a mission that this episode represents. Like as ridiculous as I found a couple of its plot points, like the hiding behind a moon, a gun filled with worms,

I think this episode is good because of Greylic. Yeah. And how interesting he is. Interesting through the loaf. You know? Like, if we're gonna rank this indie in terms of what they look like, probably the worst indie, right?

Like, come on, dude, really? This is like back to season one TNG burlap sack type stuff happening here, I think. And I think it's John Cothran that like really makes this character interesting. That really makes them shine. Yeah, good job by him. Yeah.

You want to see if there's anything being nailed in the Priority One inbox? I'm always proud of our FODs who fill out P1 messages. Priority One message from Starfleet coming in on Secure Channel. Need a supplemental income. Supplemental income? Supplemental. Supplemental. Yeah, it's extra.

By the interest alone, could be enough to buy this ship. Starting with this promotional Priority One message. Here's how that one goes. Non-monogamous friends of De Soto, whether you're just opening up and navigating first contact with relationship agreements, or you're well into the continuing journey of polyamory and facing new challenges, I help individuals and partners at every stage. No judgment, no federation bureaucracy,

just clear, compassionate counsel to help you navigate love ethically, like a seasoned denobulant. You aren't alone out there in anybody canyon. Let us explore the final frontier of relationships together. And this is a message from Bree Zimmerman. You can find them at BreeZimmerman.com, B-R-E-E-Z-I-M-M-E-R-M-A-N.com.

Poly and E-N-M-F-O-Ds can schedule a free consultation with an experienced open relationship specialist. You can learn more by going to that website, Bree Zimmerman dot com. Wow. We have an FOD friend who recently shared a picture of the spouse of a boyfriend holding up a greatest gen beach towel with a look of utter contempt on his face. And I imagine if you're an FOD in an E&M or a Polycule kind of situation and some of the

members of your Polycule are not FODs, that could be a classic issue that you might want to work through with Bree Zimmerman. And you know that Bree Zimmerman's are friendly and they don't necessarily need to. You can just bring it up like, hey, Bree Zimmerman dot com. This person helps with situations like this. They don't know that Bree Zimmerman advertised here on the show. The moment someone in the polycule outs themselves as an FOD, like frat. Yeah. No one prepares you for a moment like that, like frat. Yeah. No one prepares you for a moment like that,

but Bree Zimmerman can. I've heard of kitchen table poly, but what about glass table poly? No! There you go. Very good. Very good, Ben. We got one here from Jordan H.

And it's two, Ben and Adam, and it goes like this. After nine years of viewing, I finally bought a P1 when you landed on and torpedoed a square I suggested. Starship Mine, was it a funny idea? Yes. Was it a bad idea? Also yes. Keep up the awesome potting,

and I hope to see you live someday at a show in the KY slash OH area. P.S. we have Cheesecake Factories in Lexington, Louisville and Cincinnati for BoCo. Wow, a target rich environment. Ben, this is just breaking news. We have been invited back to London Podcast Festival. Is that true?

Yeah, read your email, dude. I've been preparing for show all day. What my theory presupposes is they've asked for Greatest Gen. Maybe what we deliver is factory seconds based on a visit we do in London. Do they have Cheesecake Factory in London? Dang, if they do, that's the most hilarious place possible to eat in London.

We gotta do it. Hey, Jordan H, not all your ideas are bad. Thanks for being an FOD for so long and for supporting the show with the P1. When I search Cheesecake Factory London, UK, the ones that come up are the one in Pasadena and the one in Glendale. We have a special relationship with the Cheesecake Factory

in Pasadena and Glendale. Yeah. Ben, final priority one message here from Jake or John or whatever to Dr. No Pants. Here's that message. You made one mistake, Doc. You married me and left me alive. I shall append myself.

Since you already gave me the greatest gift ever, our beautiful daughter, here's the second greatest gift ever, a P1 message on greatest Jen. Happy anniversary if I got this in on time. I love you more than bumblebees like playing with wooden balls Wow Hmm. That's a lot a lot to unpack there this message felt Scrutable the entire way until it became

Inscrutable with the whole bees and balls thing. I like the idea of an anniversary gift from Jake or John or whatever Doesn't seem like this couple is particularly close. Yeah We give an anniversary gift from Jake or John or whatever. Doesn't seem like this couple is particularly close. Yeah. It's tremendous. And if you'd like to leave a tremendous P1 on the program, we encourage you to do so by going to maximumfun.org slash Jumbotron.

Hey Ben. What's that Adam? Did you find yourself a drunk Shimoda this episode? I gotta give it to Archer. What the hell are you doing? Tip of the spearing, the canister on board the ship. Like on what planet is that a great call? Like I can think of so many better ways to get a canister on board that ship.

For example, sending it with Greylic, who has just made a whole song and dance about how he's testing for purity. And he could be like, oh, canister 674 didn't pass the test, so I got to go swap it out for this one. You know, like- That is a strong ass point, Ben. Major Hayes is there. He's a fucking soldier.

Like, he's a commando. That's what those guys do. Archer's done plenty this episode. He's a big, big part of the Ace story. He doesn't have to do this part of it. Bad choice. He should delegate this job. Yeah, that one's tough to beat, Ben. It would have been so much more interesting

if Greylic had done it and, like, actually done the job and put the canister on board and then they lost the signal and wondered if Grelik fucked them. Or if he's okay. Like, like putting Grelik in the most possible danger, I think, would be great for his character and our impression of him. And for like Archer's ongoing moral quandary as he like wonders what is too far, you know, a bridge to cross. This is a great call. Yeah, I mean, we're always going to care about Archer. Why not, why not make us feel concerned for someone else?

I love that idea. Yeah. Little punch up. Yeah. More than a decade later. As someone who has maybe overindulged on the booze lately, I'm gonna make mine Grelik. Always down to drink this episode. Always wanting to drink and share drinks with others.

That booze seemed pretty thick, right? It had like some canard-like textural elements to it. Yeah, we may be looking at a thick Mai Tai being poured here. A bottle batch version, perhaps. Oof. Room temperature. Ugh.

Face of the fart. Get your boat out, Adam. Let me tell you a little bit about next week's episode as you head to gach.biz slash game, where you all will tell us how we will be covering season three, episode eight, Twilight. A spatial distortion leaves Archer unable to form any new long-term memories. Years in the future, he wakes up one morning stunned to learn the outcome of the human-Zinty conflict. What? Hmm. Stunned,y conflict? What? Hmm.

Stunned, you say? Stunned. Well, I'm ready to be stunned by what happens when I roll this 100-sided die-band over a gok.biz slash game for the Game of Buttholes, Will the Raker, Quantum Leap, where I am about to tell you if the next episode will be special in any way,

or just a regular special episode. Okay. You're required to learn as you play. Roll. Ben, I've rolled that die. It has shot our runabout up to the second from the top row. It's square 90.

Chula! Did I win? Hardly. It's a regular old episode for you and me. That's where we're gonna do the top row. It's square 90. Chula! Did I win? Hardly. It's a regular old episode for you and me. That's where we're gonna do the next one. Wow. That'll be next week. Thanks to everyone for listening.

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Very interesting stuff he wrote about the making of that song. Very withering take he had about the vocal stylings of you and me. Very hurtful. Yeah. We tried as hard as we could Goose. You know in retrospect I could have tried harder personally. Gotta thank Dark Materia of the original card song fame and with that we will be back

at you next week with another great episode of Star Trek Enterprise and an episode of the Greatest Generation Enterprise where we spend a lot of time talking about Richard Krena, but not that Richard Krena. Oh no. Oh, my hopes were so high. I wonder if this is his son, Richard Anthony Kremer, is one of the credited actors of this episode.

Yeah, we will have an answer to that by the time we record. We've got to get to the bottom of this. I think I nailed it, Ben. Good. Fucking nailed it. I'm proud of you. Maximum Fun, a worker-owned network of artist-owned shows, supported directly by you.