The Greatest Generation - You Can Have Cold Feet When You’re Dead (VOY S1E8)

Episode Date: April 5, 2021

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Priority 1 message from Starfleet coming in on Secured Channel. Hey friends of Disodo. Before today's episode, we just wanted to take a moment to talk about the historic labor actions being taken by writers and actors in the American Film and Television industry. If you're a fan of the work done by the people who make Star Trek, we hope you'll join us in standing in solidarity with the folks who actually bring these adventures to life. Over the past several years, the AMPTP, the organization that represents the American Film and Television Production Studios, have reduced the profit from movies and TV going to workers. And in so doing,
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Starting point is 00:02:26 Borthas Jerkka. Welcome to the greatest generation. It's a Star Trek podcast by a couple of guys who are a little bit embarrassed to have a Star Trek podcast. I'm Ben Harrison. I'm Adam Pranaka. I was going to introduce myself as vice president Adam Pranaka because I was just looking at my calendar
Starting point is 00:02:44 and I have a home owners meeting tonight that I need to attend. And I guess dispense with the power of the vice president and all that it entails. Are you the tie breaking vote in the HOA Senate? Here's how funny. Like we had our first HOA, like we had zero HOA meetings last year for obvious reasons. Even though I'm in a tiny complex, there's only five units in this complex. We still have this HOA. We still have the need to get together to decide things. Didn't really do that at all last year. What to do about the the the rash of pizza theft that's been flipping. You better believe I'm gonna I'm gonna make sure that one doesn't reach the floor that line item. But like had our
Starting point is 00:03:34 first one I think in January and and we did our elections. Yeah. And a in a classic Adam way. I mean I wasn't going to turn down power if it was offered to me, but I wasn't necessarily going to seek it. Were it to be there? The power of the vice presidency, not being like so much pizza left on my porch for me to just grab. I was I was foisted into the vice presidency. And then as a vote of confidence,
Starting point is 00:04:05 people decided that there should be co-vice presidents to serve along with me. So it's like me and two other vice presidents, a president, a secretary, and I think an accountant of some kind. So yeah, I'm in a group of vice presidents, which makes my power even less subdivided. Have you ever been a part of a thing like this?
Starting point is 00:04:28 A mini government. I wouldn't want to be a part of any homeowners association that would have me as a member. So I've lived in places that were like large complexes and the HOA is so cute. And I never knew them. And I always knew them to be just Shit head to a bad ideas now that I am one. I'm in this tiny HOA and this is this is the dream You know everyone you get to come up with the ideas you get to suppress Questions about pizza theory
Starting point is 00:05:01 I like it so far Yeah, it's almost like the power has gone to your head. So here's like our first order of business. I want to see how you feel about this. We have had a, so I'm going to try to give enough information for the story to be interesting, but not enough information for anyone to identify where I live. Okay? That's like the rule here when Adam tells a fucking story.
Starting point is 00:05:30 And also not enough information to fill the listener with confidence that you're not secretly a really bad person. Right. Right. So what's to come is something that's totally my fault and emblematic of me being a terrible person. So there we go. We've had a walk through guy in the middle of the night at like three or four a.m. about
Starting point is 00:05:55 every two or three weeks. This guy will, this guy will hop the fence. Oh yeah, because it's kind of, there's like a gate to get to the doors in the place. So it's like townhomes on top of a garage on the bottom, but like you can get into the garage if you hop the gate. If you're in dustry, but the top of the gate has like little not sharp spikes, but like, you know, decorative spikes. You wouldn't enjoy sitting upon it. But here's the here's the thrust of the thing, right? This guy, this guy, this guy has stolen things, not from me, but from my neighbors who keep things in their garage area. And naturally, you don't like the idea of a stranger rummaging
Starting point is 00:06:37 through your shit. And so the question is, what do we do about this? Like, like, do we, do we make the gate higher? Do we build that wall bed? It doesn't seem like this is a problem with the solution. We're not going to install a loud alarm situation. That's going to be awful. That sucks for everyone. Here's what I'm ready to do. I want to go into this meeting. And my big idea is gonna be soft-scape. Like, there's a part of the, there's a, like where the gate meets
Starting point is 00:07:10 with this, this Cinderblock wall. Yeah. Like I don't wanna put spikes on top of the Cinderblock wall. I wanna put, I wanna put some planner boxes up there, maybe, maybe some nice boxwoods. We'll grow in nicely and provide adequate home defenses for your lazy criminal. Yeah, I mean, because that's like the, that's the kind of thing where the person doing the
Starting point is 00:07:34 fence hopping, going out for a night of fence hopping is probably just going to walk past a fence that looks like it's going to be a little bit more trouble than the next. You don't want to get dirty if you're doing all this fence hopping. Yeah, exactly. You're gonna see the box, which you're gonna want, no part of it. What would you propose if you were me?
Starting point is 00:07:53 There's gotta be a better idea, right? I don't know. Are you, someone actually proposed fucking razor wire? Oh, come on. That, I'm shutting that down. Fuck that. No, I really like your idea because it's like the minimum amount of friction to like, like he's doing it because it's easy.
Starting point is 00:08:12 It's easy enough to do. Yeah. And if it was just a little bit harder, I think that would be a strong enough discouragement in most circumstances. I want to know a little bit more about this person because I have a small sample size. Like it's happened I think three times, but he hasn't stolen anything of substance to my knowledge. Like he's grabbing Gatorade out of the second refrigerator of one of our units, like the
Starting point is 00:08:40 deep storage refrigerator. Oh my God, this master criminal. I know, I kind of feel like this person's just an adventurer. Yeah, let him take the fucking gatorator. Are you kidding me? What is that? 45 cents worth of product from Costco? What the guys walking off with?
Starting point is 00:08:58 A bunch of olds live here, though. You could just get a rocking chair and put it out there and hang out. Ben. The idea of a scarecrow is kind of a great idea. Like, like a motion light and then the light doesn't point out at the motion. It points at the scarecrow. You could like Kevin McAllister this thing where you've got multiple characters and they're like automated a little bit. So they move around. One of them's on a model train set.
Starting point is 00:09:27 This is one of them's Michael Jordan cardboard standy. The boxwoods idea sucks. I'm definitely going for semi robotic mannequins with like, with all their own costuming and like actually develop characters. This is the time of year to do it because the Halloween stores are all in the off season. They probably give you a nice discount.
Starting point is 00:09:49 I like this a lot. This is a great idea. I love it. I'm gonna get kicked out of my H-O-A tonight. I'm gonna get kicked out of my H-O-A tonight. I'm gonna get kicked out of my H-O-A tonight. I'm gonna get kicked out of my H-O-A tonight. Well, you want to get into the episode
Starting point is 00:10:09 that we came here to talk about today, Adam. An episode that has nothing to do with breaking and entering, really. It would be a reach to draw that kind of comparison as we discuss Star Trek Voyager Season 1 Episode 8 Eminations. Reaver course. Unless you've got something a little bigger in your torpedo tubes. I'm not turning around. Ah! Everyone's so excited. Ben, because they've discovered a new element.
Starting point is 00:10:36 But what they've really discovered is a Jorbe, Ben. Because when you discover a new element, all of a sudden you start thinking of ways to mine that element and refine it and turn it into your energy source. So I would say that the enthusiasm is tempered here. There's coffee in that ring system of a Class D planet. It's another one of those things that we talk about with Voyager, which is like, is it worth stopping being at high war to do this? The one character that we don't have,
Starting point is 00:11:05 as a part of the bridge crew, is impatient to get home guy just all the time. Who is low-key just humming in the background? Like, yeah, like, like, scan faster. Too much barely has anything to do in this episode and if he occasionally just popped in and said, are we there yet? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:11:23 Captain. I don't even get. Yeah. As we know, no, I have a wife and child. You got a little salue in that. I did. Yeah. Put a little salue stank on your two-box.
Starting point is 00:11:38 All of my characters sound alike. This is a stable trans-eranic element. And they do get a little facetime from the doctor back on Deep Space 9, and he says, listen, I know I'm far, far away from you all, but a trans-eranic element couldn't help but notice what an exciting opportunity for science that is. Has anyone tasted it? You can't know the quality of the trans-erratic elements, unless you see what it does to your palate. Most of the astero- this is a, they're discovering this element in
Starting point is 00:12:18 the ring system around a planet, and the asteroids in this ring system are mostly class M. They have atmospheres. Yeah. What a convenient situation. That EVA suits necessary. It seems pretty dangerous to have a bunch of Class M's colliding in your atmosphere, right? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:12:39 That's a lot of bodywork you're gonna have to pay for. Yeah. Anyways, so they beam into some Star Trek caves. We had a little Dustbuster Club with Ensen Kim and Cote and BLT and they are, they're scanning around. There's lots of spider web looking things hanging from the ceilings. They really rated the Halloween store for this stuff.
Starting point is 00:13:04 Yeah. Imagine covering the the Halloween store for this stuff. Yeah. Imagine covering the Star Trek caves with this and then having to clean up after this episode. It's never gonna be clean after this. I know, that stuff is unclean up a bowl. Yeah. It's like glitter, you know. It's just fucking never, you're never gonna get it out of there.
Starting point is 00:13:20 Yeah. We used to live with a pair of roommates and we were out of town for New Year's one year and we came back and They'd had like a little New Year's party And one of their friends wore a black sequin dress to the New Year's party and at some point one thread of sequins Like came loose on this dress and she was just shedding sequins all night long and We lived there for three more years. I never stopped finding at least one just shedding sequins all night long. And we lived there for three more years. I never stopped finding at least one or two sequins a week.
Starting point is 00:13:50 Yeah, that sucks. Yeah. And it turned out that those sequins are actually a natural byproduct of her death. Oh, nice. Yeah. That's how you knew she was terminal. Yeah. Because what they find is that these spider webs are coming from bodies that are lying around in this. It's not an asteroid, it's not Star Trek caves. It's very event horizon, this cold open here. We learn that these are class five humanoid bodies spin, the kind of bodies that are very
Starting point is 00:14:27 dangerous to kayak through. Have we heard the distinction between humanoid bodies before now? This seems like a new idea to me, but maybe it's probably not. It's probably been said a bunch. Are humans class one? I mean, I don't know. Is the numbers go up? Does your quality go up? Does your
Starting point is 00:14:45 quality go down? Does your hog increase in size? Is it like maple syrup? Like the quality of humanoid? The great A, a lot of people wrongly think is the better maple syrup. That's the big fact. The class five is the maple syrup you want to reach for. Yeah. So these bodies have varying days of freshness to them. If some have been there quite a long time, at the most recent one arrived just a few hours ago. And this element that they discovered is the emanation from these bodies. The decomposition process outgasses this Halloween store fluff and everyone's super disappointed because you can't just... It's not unusual for a dead body to evacuate its urine after death.
Starting point is 00:15:41 It really starts an argument, right? Because not only is this element a big downer for everyone involved, like there is an argument against whether or not you can disturb these bodies to even study them. This is our first contact with this race, and I think we should be learning all we can about them. We are talking about harvesting this element from them anymore. It's like, can we determine a cause of death? And Chicoete just gets up on his high horse about not wanting to disturb the bodies
Starting point is 00:16:15 and then he argues with Kim who basically wants to get in there and do why incisions on everyone. And then Chicoete tells Kim a story of trading a bag of sand for a golden statue and then being chased out of a cave by a giant boulder one time as being like the main reason he doesn't want to disturb anything here. Yeah, he's like, I've been burned before. Really exciting story, he told. Yeah, how did you swing across that log with just a bullwhip?
Starting point is 00:16:46 What attached the bullwhip to the log in order for you to hang your own weight off of it? When did you coat a stop wearing the hat? They are... Because Chico Te has this past traumatic experience with tomb raidery, he is suggesting that they not even use tricorders. No, no, no even passive scanning of these bodies and what? You know what the best scanner is,
Starting point is 00:17:15 Instant Kim? Your eyes. He's a real John Rambo about things. Like I always believe the mind was the best weapon. He does say your eyes are the only senses you have left and I was like, it's got a smell in there. They've got to have their noses as well. That's what Chico De is telling himself.
Starting point is 00:17:40 And so they're talking through, looking looking at these people, there's like some anthropological type observations, like they must believe in an afterlife because they seem to have prepared the bodies, they have their arms wrapped in a certain way. Is this coming from nowhere from Chicoote because like his dead explaining to everyone is kind of revealing how much time Chico Tey spends in and among the dead. He's a real death enthusiast.
Starting point is 00:18:10 Yeah. I think it's creeping out the whole away team. With all due respect, Captain, I have to disagree with the commander. But they're kind of interrupted. It's space-vacual interruptus because like a bright light appears and suddenly Chico Te is no tricorder rule goes out the window and he's like, scan it, scan it. And they do an emergency beam out that does not go well, Enterprise. If I'm on an away team and the transporter chief is like, I'm really, I'm having a really
Starting point is 00:18:42 hard time up here. I'd like you to group together so I can just sort of, like, put a transporter beam around an area instead of a person. I'm afraid I'm coming back as a two vix. Yeah. Yeah, or just like, or just like a conjoined star fleet. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:19:01 I'd rather... A star fleet with two May-wee like glued damn This transporter op Susca really has a bad day. We'll come back to her later, but yeah, I Would just ask Susca to leave me down there and try again later when the conditions are more favorable I'm gonna see if I can ride this out. Yeah, just leave me here Yeah, what materializes on the pad is Chicocha and BLT and one of the body I'm going to see if I can ride this out to sleep me here. What materializes on the pad is Chico Te and BLT and one of the bodies.
Starting point is 00:19:31 And Kim gets left behind. And Tuvac scans the entire asteroid field and says, sorry, no dice. He is not here anymore. This person on the transporter pad isn't totally brain dead. And because there isn't an advanced directive pinned to this person's torso, BLT wants to revive. Yeah, they don't have one of those wristbands that say what to do in case of emergency. And so they beam her directly to six bay. Yeah, Susca has no problem with
Starting point is 00:20:07 this site to site transport. I feel like Jacote is like idea of like we need to be extremely careful and respectful around these bodies is just completely out the window at this point. Yeah, he still rides for it. Before we see what happens in Six Bay, though, we cut to a ceremony in progress, a guy in a kind of adventurous looking Pope style hat is That's the HBO show we need not what what is the HBO show called something? Young Pope? We need adventure Pope. He's finishing up a funeral ceremony when the coffin that he and a bunch of Lofi aliens are standing around starts banging from the inside.
Starting point is 00:21:01 These Lofi aliens are known as the Vinari, a real dinner roll type of alien judging from their forehead. When they open the coffin, Tallerica David walks in and is very upset to see something inside the coffin there with Kim. He says, that's my five wood. I lent that to him before he died. And now he is being buried with it. They don't make it anymore.
Starting point is 00:21:30 I can't replace that. Kajep, do you have a different five wood in your shuttlecraft? By the way, is there a Hodgkin's lymphoma that is the lymphoma of a warrior and another one that is the lymphoma of a petach? This is so great. This is a great scene for Harry Kim. Beary to live, but not really. Yeah. And they pull him out of the coffin and take them into this kind of like anti-chamber Where another dude is hanging out and they're like hey, so we don't really understand what's happening Why don't you just like take a seat on this bed that's made out of
Starting point is 00:22:16 sound foam and We'll look into it. We'll get some top men to look into this. We have top men working on it right now Guys, I'm just gonna introduce you to each other because this is the only room you'll be in for the rest of the episode. It's that you'd like to get comfortable. His neighbor in the next bed is Hatil, who is ready to go to what they call the next emanation. These people believe that Harry Kim came back from the next domination. And what is quickly revealed is that they understand him to be
Starting point is 00:22:48 somebody who has kind of like gone in reverse from the afterlife to the world of the living. Right. He reversed flatline. I got such dad daughter vibes from Hattil and Loria that it came as a massive revelation later when it was revealed that Loria was this guy's wife. So that's how it is in their family. I just like the energy between them was like that to me. He kind of reminded me of, was it Mr. Timisin, the guy that Louoxana was in love with?
Starting point is 00:23:23 Yeah. He had to go end his life. They're expected to simply kill themselves. Did you know that? Mr. Low T. Timisin. Then you definitely should fix it. Lowercase Timisin. We also meet Nariah, who is the chief fanatologist of this facility, I guess,
Starting point is 00:23:46 not of the whole planet, right? I mean, he should be, whenever your doctor is played by Jerry Hardin. Uh, I think he's deserving of a greater title and responsibility. Planetary fanatologist. I see you came back from death. Oh no.
Starting point is 00:24:08 Why don't you tell me what you saw in the afterlife? He is totally bewildered by this whole scene and and the energy that Nariya gives off is very much like the hostile religious energy. Like I don't know how he does it. Jerry Harden, one of the greats, but like he's got the smile of a person who has sharpened teeth, you know? Like he's happy to see Kim because Kim can maybe provide some answers about the way things are, the way he's decided to live
Starting point is 00:24:45 his life. But he also sees Kim as a threat to that way of thinking in a way that you can sense right away. Yeah, because like this is, he's like, what's up with you? Where'd you come from? And Kim is like, well, I was like investigating this asteroid full of deads. And then there was a bright flash of light. And next thing I I'm you know, an angry Klingon is trying to pry a golf club out of my hand in this coffin. It's extremely important that we mix our our about to be deads and our back from the deads together in the same room. So I'm hoping you to have an opportunity just to just hang out and mix it up here.
Starting point is 00:25:26 Well, I go call my other religious scholars. You go through life, you have to wait in line and the fucking bank and the, you have to wait in line to get into the grocery store these days. You got to wait at the doctor's office. Then you got to wait again when you get into the examination room for the doctor. And now it's time to die and you gotta sit in this fucking room for hours and hours before it's your time to get in the coffin and go to the next examination. Why don't you even give out the appointments? You don't even need appointments?
Starting point is 00:25:56 No, seriously, for this policy, you don't need appointments. This episode suggests an interesting kind of fear which goes something like, these people are not afraid before they meet Kim of what their presupposed afterlife is. But when confronted with the idea that there may be an answer to this question, things become far more scary with the answer. Like the unknown, less scary than the known. I think it's because they have a kind of mental framework for what the unknown might be like, and he doesn't really fit in it.
Starting point is 00:26:32 Even if it winds up being compatible with it in some way that they can't figure out, you know, in the immediate moment of realizing he exists, it's causing them to question things about like pretty sacred beliefs that they have. And this is exactly what your co-day was afraid of. Do you have any sort of sense for how advanced this alien race is compared to the people on Voyager
Starting point is 00:27:00 because the episode never interrogates that. And I think the suggestion is made that like the egg beams people places and everyone knows it. So if you have egg beaming technology, you may be on the same level as the Voyager. I think that the egg beaming is a natural process on their planet though. Like they say they built the complex around one of these sites.
Starting point is 00:27:25 I think I misspoke when I said that, but like the facility that does the egg beaming, it seems very futuristic. It's got like computer panels and like a system of polies that that lifts the upper half of the egg from the lower half. You have to be pretty advanced. Simple machines. from the lower house. You have to be pretty advanced. Simple machines.
Starting point is 00:27:44 Yeah. Give me a pulley big enough and I can lift up a really big coffin lathe. Yeah, Alexander wept because he had more things to pull. Nariah says like when he when he meets Harry, he's like, we're the funerary and this is our homeworld. And I don't feel like you say that to someone if you think that they're like a demon from hell you know. Nor do you say that if you
Starting point is 00:28:12 believe you're the only planet with with life on it anywhere. Right but it it becomes clear that this may be like not even the same dimension like this could be be the mirror universe or something like that. Who knows how advanced they are or not? Right. It's so interesting, though, the focus of this episode is very narrowly just on Kim and Kim alone, and none of what Kim might mean outside of his relationship to the egg and the afterlife. So Kim kind of realizes that as he's like describing how he got here, he is tearing down their belief system. Are you saying that when we die, we go to some asteroid and decompose?
Starting point is 00:28:58 Can we stop talking about this? I feel like I'm doing something wrong. I thought Garrett Wong did a good job here in like not leaning totally into my life as in danger mode. Once he realizes he may be talking too much, I thought that was an interesting choice because it could easily have devolved into, I'm about to be literally crucified by these religious people if I keep talking.
Starting point is 00:29:21 Like that's not really on the table at this point. It's a really good Kim talking. Right. Like, that's not really on the table at this point. It's a really good Kim episode. Yeah. We get a scene in Six Bay where the doctor says that he's gone through the standard class five humanoid resuscitation guidelines and gotten this lady back to life. We meet Petera who is very disappointed in the afterlife she is waking up into. It's not full of her friends and relatives. It's full of star fleets. Yeah. So disciplined.
Starting point is 00:29:54 Oh, what's wrong with your foreheads? Oh! Meanwhile, like she, what she's having is exactly the opposite feeling from if you or I died and woke up on a starfleet ship like it would it would be the greatest thing ever to die yeah I knew it I knew it there is a heaven wouldn't that be awesome let's go replicate some stuff can I! Can I see the battle bridge? No, I'm afraid not. Oh wait, maybe this is hair. Yeah, she instead has a full blown panic attack and has to be like hyposprave back to sleep. The show doesn't go POV very often, but this is a good opportunity to do that.
Starting point is 00:30:48 You get to be her in that bed looking up. And it feels. Yeah, that's a one-ass lens they used for that shot. It feels super awkward and threatening, really, in a way that's effective. Yeah, it makes you feel small just to watch it. Yeah. Coffee-black, make it yourself. I'm trying to help you see it. Yeah. Perfect black. Make it yourself. I'm trying to help you see this as an opportunity to grow.
Starting point is 00:31:07 Make it yourself. Back with Kim. Dr. Noreya explains how the egg works to Kim. And then Pivot's, like, he's the party guest who really doesn't want to talk about himself. He's more interested in you. And so he's asking Kim about what he saw on the other side. And he is incredulous about this.
Starting point is 00:31:26 He wants, he wants scanning data right away. He is a, he is the exact opposite of Chico day in every way. And, and how deeply he wants to know about, about the afterlife. And this interest in studying Kim turns fairly threatening pretty fast. He's like Harry Kim is about to be an alien autopsy and he is justifiably scared about that. Yeah, like the attitude that Naria has toward Kim is that he is something to be unlocked versus a person with information. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:32:02 Like he's not treated like a person at all here. He hasn't been offered any food or drink. I know. They do something very interesting with the camera work at this point in the episode. Previously, all of the stuff on this side of the dimensional divide has been shot pretty level. And basically from here on in, we're in Dutch angles every time we're with Harry, which so like the camera's tilted, the scenes feel kind of strange because of that. And that like that feeling of danger, the feeling of are they going to like vivis act him and see what makes him
Starting point is 00:32:41 tick. Once we understand the bone, we will defeat him. It's never 10 out of 10 tension, but the creep factor from those Dutch camera angles and the fact that they're pretty relentless from here on in, I feel like is pretty effective. I agree, they're dutched and also as the episode goes on, they get closer. I feel like we begin medium and then we start creeping in as the episode goes on, they get closer. I feel like we begin medium,
Starting point is 00:33:06 and then we start creeping in as the story goes on and we get closer and closer to Kim's face. And the less that you see of the scene, the more threatening it becomes because you just can't see. You can't see what's coming. Back on Voyager, they are scanning every inch of this planetary ring system. They've found hundreds of thousands of bodies,
Starting point is 00:33:28 and there's this kind of like predictable cycle where these subspace vacuals show up in deposit and new body. And they think like maybe like we can use these as some way to like transport Harry back through one, but they haven't quite cracked the code of that. And Captain Janeway is called back down to Six Bay because Patera has woken up and is a lot less panicky than she was before.
Starting point is 00:33:55 And so she's able to like have a pretty frank question and answer session with the doctor like, so this is the afterlife, where are my parents? Well, I'd like some answers. There's three storylines operating throughout this episode and I feel like the one having to do with Kim is only with Kim. Don't you feel like one ever were on the ship and we're figuring out why these bodies are showing up and all the bangers that are getting dropped? Like it feels so little about answering the question of whether or not Kim is alive or not.
Starting point is 00:34:30 Like, they don't say his name after that transporter accident. That seems to be done. Yeah. Do you think that was weird? I mean, there is like a logic to the idea that they would just be like, shit, we lost Harry. Well, there's no way we're going to like get him back because we don't even really understand how we lost him.
Starting point is 00:34:52 So I guess we need to move on. But there's like a weird tone because of that, though. Like it's almost anti-tone. Yeah, like they don't seem to be grieving him either. I'm hanging wide. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Hurricane Miss Dad. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Tara's got low fun ahead. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:35:18 Staying that biopic. No more sad. Let dark color day worry about what happens next. That's what I'm getting at is like there is no, there's no home of grief in the background on Voyager. I think that they're just still like kind of wrapping their heads around the situation and it's like it's a first contact situation them, and it's also going badly for them. You know the tweak that could really make that possible
Starting point is 00:35:48 this episode is a couple of shots of Tom Paris. Tom Paris is gonna have to single-handedly date the Delaney sisters, and I think we should see that challenge all over his face. Right. In the aftermath of this transporter accident. Or just like a shot of Tom Paris on the bridge, like quietly doing his work and then like looking back at the empty station that Harry is usually manning and like shedding a couple
Starting point is 00:36:14 of tears for his departed friend. Yeah. Instead, he is radiating down to the captain in Six Bay that they've got some bangers getting dropped on the ship and it's, it's dead. There's deads showing up on the ship. It's a real problem. I mean, it seems like it would be one problem, but it turns out it's a different problem altogether. Like, originally, I'm like, well, this is a stinky, gross, body problem that then soon
Starting point is 00:36:41 devolves into a, what if one these things just like Beams into the warp core You can't have that No, you're flat the whole compartment Or beams into a person, right? Like, doesn't it seem like that could be possible? Yeah, and you know like you want engineering to be like almost like a clean room environment and that fucking Halloween store spider web stuff is not easy to clean up. Yeah. So one thing that happened with Petera was that Kess took a shine doer and
Starting point is 00:37:12 like a cab driver in a tourist town always pushing a certain strip club at your group of friends. Kess is like, I know this great little restaurant on the ship that you really got to try. It's really good, I promise. The cab driver has never assumed that I wanted to go to a strip club in my entire life. Fucking cast pushing Nelix's on everyone has got to be super annoying though. Yeah. And also, like, if you're a patera, like you are at a real disadvantage because you probably never read Greek myths and you don't know that if you eat the food in the afterlife,
Starting point is 00:37:48 you'll never be able to leave, right? Wow, that's great. I didn't consider that at all. I mean, that's fucked up. Yes, actually, I could use something to eat. What was that? They're more hospitable to her than they've been to Harry, though, right? Like back on the other side.
Starting point is 00:38:09 Yeah, no food is offered to Harry Kim. No. And like, Hatil is getting cold feet about killing himself to make life easier for his family. And his wife is like really upset about this. Like, Rip's Harry a new one for putting these like subversive ideas in his mind. I think the guy who plays Heteal is great in this episode. He's like the guy who saw his teacher in the grocery store.
Starting point is 00:38:37 Like he just can't process that his belief system has been totally thrown apart by Kim's arrival. Yeah. And Lori, it tries to talk him down and she tries to patch him back together, patch his confidence back together, anyway. She's like, you can have cold feet when you're dead. That's right.
Starting point is 00:38:58 That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right. Yeah, and totally last words, Kim, on her way out the door, like, I don't know why you two are staying together.
Starting point is 00:39:11 It doesn't make sense for me, either, but while you're here, while I have your attention, have you put hair gel in between the last time I saw you and now? And then she's out. Wow. She's just a force of nature. Incredible woman. This was the moment where I was like, where is the Harry Kim breakout scene? He's got a bust out of here, right? I think he can feel forces converge on him and those forces are going to be bad. Like, why isn't that ever in instinct? I mean, it is kind of what he arrives at in the end, but it doesn't, it doesn't, it doesn't, it feels like he, he gets there way after we do,
Starting point is 00:39:55 and it shouldn't, it should be the other way around, right? Like, he should be, he should be sensing how much danger he's in. So, Heteal in this scene hits Kim up for more information about a post-egg life and Kim really tries to be as nonspecific as possible here and it is totally devastating to Heteal that he's not getting the information he wants because this is really a one-way trip that he's preparing for.
Starting point is 00:40:24 And Harry tries to make him feel better by going, you know what, dude? Like my culture doesn't know anything about the afterlife either. And I feel like when you look at Harry's face, as he says this, you can feel Harry Kim's disappointment too. Like this is the 24th century. Humanity still doesn't know what's on the other side. Like we're just as dumb as these people these egg people There's like an assumption in that statement though right like yesterday Hatil thought that they did know a lot about what happens in the afterlife
Starting point is 00:40:55 Yeah, like a really good sense of it and so when Harry goes like listen man. We don't know anything about it either It's like kind of insulting it really is. Yeah Yeah, we realize how dumb we are. You don't. This is this scene has so many emotional beats and this one is maybe the worst of all. Hattieel tells Kim like, it's really important for me to know what happens post egg because because here's how it works in our culture. My family voted me out because they got tired of my mooching. You all the week's thing. And they thought it would just make it easier on them if they had one less mouth defeat.
Starting point is 00:41:37 So, so they all got together and voted me. He's like, he's been, he's been a bigger drag since the accident. And he's like limping around. So I guess he's like physically disabled in some way. And that's like a low key, really dark idea in the episode. Like the second you're not a... You're not a contributor? Yeah, like, there's like a very like, I'm ran society that Harry Kim has found himself in. Right. Right. And when we see him later without a shirt, he looks pretty emaciated and like compared to a human, I guess. Yeah. It's unclear whether or not that's just how these dinner rolls look. But uh, yeah, it's a real bummer of a story and it really makes you
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Starting point is 00:44:46 Paterra has a pretty big freak out at Nelix's when she goes there with Kess. It's kind of the second wave of the freak out she had when she first woke up, which is really starting to process the fact that she will never see, and then remember her species, she won't, you know, she's not reconnecting with her beloved dead relatives. She's not like getting the questions she had about the meaning of life answered. Does her freak out have anything to do with the fact that they're eating caught? And kind of a lot of it. Those are a very interesting dish.
Starting point is 00:45:26 It was like red liquid in the bottom of a snifter, but then there was like a little tea strainer with the sticks in it. Yeah, what is that? I don't know, it didn't look appetizing to me. I'll tell you that much. It didn't. You know, eat with your eyes first, Neelix.
Starting point is 00:45:44 Yeah. Work on that presentation a little there, much. It didn't. You know, eat with your eyes first, Nelix. Yeah. Work on that presentation a little there, Bub. Nelix is like, I've done some research on 20th century Italian restaurants and they really love those long dry, awful breadsticks. You know, the kind that are really good for nothing. The kind that like don't really soak up olive oil and you like see them at the table and you're like,
Starting point is 00:46:07 huh, I kind of wish there had just been a basket full of bread, like a normal restaurant. You know what would really improve this long skinny breadstick? Any seasoning at all. Even some salt would have been nice. Too late to salt these breadsticks. Nothing will stick to them. Am I supposed to stick this dry breadstick into my mouth and then withdraw it and then shake the salt shaker on top of it in order to season this breadstick? Is that what this Italian restaurant is suggesting?
Starting point is 00:46:43 Should I just do bits like I have a very long cigarette with this? Because that's about the best idea I have for what to do with this breadstrip. All I do is bits, bits, bits. I always get a third of the way through this breadstick and I don't want to finish it. I just want to set it down next to my utensils and then my napkin gets covered with those sharp breadstick crumbs. It's never the same after that. Sucks. Yeah. So they have a McLaughlin group. If you want. And the idea is that what if we could find a way to recreate the
Starting point is 00:47:18 transporter accident that lost us our hairy with Petera and we send her back us are hairy with Petera and we send her back through one of these vacuals with a subspace transponder and somehow use that to like piggyback Harry Kim's transporter signal and beam him back into our reality. They don't have to work very hard to convince Petera of this at all. I've already been dead once and I'm prepared to die again if necessary. Like everyone agrees that the idea is interesting but is extremely dangerous. And Patera is like, don't worry about me. You can't kill me because I've already dead.
Starting point is 00:47:57 And then this episode really clips from here. Like they prepper for the transporter. We got to Cote and BLT scanning for vacuoles because there's a there's a bit of synchronization that needs to happen between the transporter and the awful transporter operator who I don't trust at this point at all is back on the scene, back for redemption.
Starting point is 00:48:18 And then I love this direction. Janeway pushes Petera onto the transporter pad. Did you see this? Oh, I didn't. I missed that. No going backway pushes Petera onto the transporter pad. Did you see this? Oh, I didn't. I missed that. No going back now, Petera. She seemed too many kids on diving boards before in her life. Oh, Sarah's welcome in this world.
Starting point is 00:48:36 Stop me worrying about that girl. And Cesca, the Makewies transporter Chief, eats shit again on the transport. The vacuole is shutting down. I can't get her pattern through. Abort the procedure. Pull her back. I would begin to suspect that it's operator error instead of vacuole. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:48:57 If I'm trying to assign blame here and I am. Or perhaps something more sinister at play. Who knows? Yeah. So, uh, CESCA can't make it happen. Patera's beamed out momentarily before coming back covered in Halloween store. And, uh, she's dead. And then there's a beat. And Janeway goes, all right maimer on a random asteroid. It doesn't matter which one. Don't be maimer into a vacuole and put a post it on the subspace transponder that says turn me on or something like that.
Starting point is 00:49:36 If I can't make coffee out of her emanations, I have no need for her. Coffee's for closes on. Back in the other reality, Harry is being told like, hey, listen, we need to take you to an undisclosed location. This death place is not secure enough. And the fact that you represent a shattering of our understanding of the afterlife is really starting to freak some people out. So this is actually as much for your own protection as it is for anything else. And we happen to have built this facility using a bunch of decorative stones. We only found out later that they were holy stones with special prayers associated with them.
Starting point is 00:50:23 We felt terrible. They're perfect for throwing at heretics. I see it all the time. These stones are gonna like you. So he's like basically like the 16 passenger van is just pulling up downstairs and we're gonna call you when it's ready. That's a great call like the classic church van is ready to go. The one that has so much van hanging out over the rear axle. There's like four rows of van. How is it possible? Too much van.
Starting point is 00:50:58 You take out like the back two rows of seats to put in luggage and you still got like a lot of room for passengers. Sometimes like the airport shuttle will buy those vans and if you ever have to take one of those, it's like such a fucking pain in the ass because the only seat open is in the back and you get a climb over four rows of middle aged parents who are just not moving. A couple, one of the max fun con easts, I rented a van like that, because I had to take a few people up to the con. And I took out the back row of seats
Starting point is 00:51:33 to make room for luggage, and I left it in my apartment. I took the whole back row of seats and left it in the living room of my apartment. That's great. And the con was cut short because there was a hurricane, like about to hit the East Coast, or maybe it wasn't cut short, but anyways,
Starting point is 00:51:51 like when I left, I, like we were in a bit of a panic because there was like a storm bearing down on Brooklyn. And I went and returned to the van at like LaGuardia Airport and they were like, where's the back seats? And I was like, fuck! And so it's like literally like an hour and a half before the car dealers, the rental place shut down. Before the storm surge comes. Yeah, like before they shut down for the storm, I had to like hop in a cab, go back to my apartment, and get the back row of seats,
Starting point is 00:52:26 and then put them in the back of a cab. I did not expect that to be your course of action. Why didn't you take the van back? They wouldn't let me. It was like do. And so, we won't charge you if you go get the seats, but that's your problem, not ours. Wow.
Starting point is 00:52:42 That's insane. I had to hail a big enough cab to accommodate. I was fortunate to hail a van cab. And I made it happen, but it was a scramble. I can't believe a cab ever picked you up and would agree to have two van seats put into it. Yeah, like, hey,
Starting point is 00:53:00 you mind just idling the engine out here and then taking me right back to where you picked me up? I mean, it was a great deal for the cab driver because he got like three airport runs out of one hail. Like, that's right. And plus, that was on Maximum Funds tab. So that wasn't coming up. I picked it.
Starting point is 00:53:18 That was my fuck up. I did not charge. I did not charge the mothership for that. Come on. Now Adam's mad on my behalf. Next one, Kanye's has always been kind of haunted then, huh? With it being cut short from a hurricane and also the place of burning down.
Starting point is 00:53:35 Yeah, the hotel burned to the ground. A couple years ago. Objection noted, we'll do this without you. Do it. Do it. Do it. Back in the one room, do it, do it, do it. Back in the one room where Hattieel and Harry Kimmer hanging out, Hattieel starts wrapping his body with a death shroud.
Starting point is 00:53:53 And he feels obligated to put on this show for his family. This is maybe the saddest part of his story, is that he doesn't believe, but he's going to do it anyway. When my father put this on. There was no doubt in his mind about where he was going. And I wish I liked Gloria more up until this point. Like because if I did, I feel like I could get on Hattieel's level a little easier.
Starting point is 00:54:18 But the entire time, Gloria has been like really posh-y with him getting into the egg. And it's what makes this feel bad when... He seems a little too happy that he is- he is shuffling loose this mortal coil. And so like what they come up with is like this shroud is perfect because nobody will know that it's actually me, Harry Kim, inside the shroud. You go live with your hippie friends up in the mountains and like live a quiet rest of your life and die without your family ever knowing that it wasn't you in the cenotaph.
Starting point is 00:54:54 Meanwhile I get to go back to my reality and you know, with any luck my ship will still be puttering around the asteroid field going, where's Harry? Did you think Kim was gonna get away with this plan when it was hatched? I'm like, this is, this is too fucking easy. Also, like, Harry Kim is gonna wander out to the egg and his family's gonna be like, boy, how many layers of wrapping did they put on Patera? Yeah. Cause this guy's really filled out in his final minutes of life.
Starting point is 00:55:31 Yeah. Also, like this episode, you could tell, had zero budget at all. I really wanted to see Heteal up in the mountains at some point, because this is the last time you see him. What if they'd started it with him writing like a long hand in a book, like let me tell you about the time
Starting point is 00:55:51 my friend Harry saved my life. Yeah, it's Josh Anchoredemption. Yeah, exactly. I hope one day I get to see my friend. And it ends with the teal finding Harry building a boat on the coast somewhere. How do they find each other there? I don't know, it's movie magic. Anyways, Harry does in fact climb inside the center tap.
Starting point is 00:56:21 It's really scary in there. He pulls all the shrouding off of his head and then a clip show device Clamps down on his neck. I don't like the looks of this at all And it kills him like you see him die It's good that the egg is sort of concave at the bottom because when he dies like I is sort of concave at the bottom because when he dies, like, I mean, we haven't seen him eat at all this episode, but the evacuation is a lot. Death is the end of this life, but it is also the beginning of a new journey. And those funerial rags are not absorbent in a way you might guess.
Starting point is 00:57:04 Right, Yeah. I mean, intentionally so, right? Because they're passed down from generation to generation, and you wouldn't want to wrap yourself in your father's piss rags. As you know, I have a very complicated relationship with my father. Something strange, Dr. This patient left no trans-uranic elements in the egg after they left. We've never seen anything like it. It appears that you started your scam a little late. You see, I've been here for quite a while and I've developed a bit of a thirst. Ha ha ha ha ha. Dead Harry does materialize on the Voyager
Starting point is 00:57:49 and they beam him directly to Six Bay. Dan Medeseska, there's a body on Deck 12, beam it directly to Six Bay. Yes, Captain. To give him some cordrazine atom, that's tricky stuff. That's the good stuff right there. That's the Michael Jackson drug, isn't it? And he wakes up and he goes on a psychotic rampage
Starting point is 00:58:04 throughout the ship, shouting paranoid nonsense and killing hobos. And that's the end of the episode. We're not ending there, are we? No, yeah, we should talk about it. I really like the button with like Janeway gives him a couple of days off and is like you just had like a really intense experience. And if I could have done my youth over again, I would have spent more time like thinking
Starting point is 00:58:37 about the amazing adventures I got to go on as a star fleet. The scene does not call back the scene several episodes ago where Kim and Paris think to invite Captain Janeway to eat with them. And I really felt that like that was missing. There was an opportunity here to inject the scene with a little bit of star power that there isn't. But instead of- Yeah, the fact that she comes up
Starting point is 00:59:05 and sidestits at his table should be kind of an honor. But what the scene does decide to do is go the other way, which makes me like this captain even more, I think, because she humanizes herself in front of him and recognizes Kim's humanity in the process. She's like, you know, when you're on Star Trek, you see a lot of crazy shit. And you know, you don't have a lot of time, week to week to process the thing, the adventure you had the week before.
Starting point is 00:59:40 But what I'm going to do is give you some time. I'm going to give you break in the schedule here to really think about things, think about what you've been through. I hope you maybe do a sculpture or write some poetry or something about being about being briefly dead. Maybe that'll be good for you. Harry has in fact been briefly dead now. Yeah. I wish the episode ended there because they kind of give Janeway a monologue about, you know,
Starting point is 01:00:14 maybe these people weren't so far off with their ideas about the afterlife and what happens to their bodies on these asteroids. Maybe they just don't understand what the energy readings mean. Yeah. I didn't like that part. droids, maybe they just don't understand what the energy readings mean. Yeah, I didn't like that part. You felt like it was a little too sweet. Just give Kim some days off. And then, and then you cut up to the mountains.
Starting point is 01:00:41 And then we get mountain hattiel up there, up there like warming his hands on a campfire, like living his best life. Give me, Give me the mountain hattiel action figure, the playmates action figure. Painting an apartment of his friend Harry, and somebody comes in and goes, like, this man you're painting, you screwed up his whole forehead, it doesn't look right. Why is this man you're painting have a purple phaser with the beam facing up at his own head? phaser with the beam facing up at his own head. That's not how it's supposed to go. Did you like the episode, Adam? You know, I'm really easy to get along with, close to the time.
Starting point is 01:01:14 But I don't like bullets, I don't like bread, and I don't like you. Star Trek isn't really great on the whole at religion, I think, because either you get religion as a bunch of pre-warped domes, as we saw several times in TNG, or you get really beat over the head with all the good things that a religion can do, like in Deep Space Nine and the Bajoran religion. If you take the presentation of the Bajoran religion as positive, which I guess could be argued, this one kind of treats religion as less religious and more just a society that has a mechanic about how it treats end of life issues. Like, it's weird how a religious this story is.
Starting point is 01:02:06 It really seems more science fictiony in a weird way. Like more science fiction than religious based. Mm-hmm. And I think I like the episode for that decision. I think it could have done better at putting Kim in more danger. Like, I didn't really feel like the stakes were super high throughout.
Starting point is 01:02:27 I think part of the reason was because whenever we visit the Voyager after his disappearance, no one ever talks about him. Right. Kind of would have liked to have a little bit of that. Yeah, I liked it, but this episode felt easy to sort of note. Mm-hmm. I think that the danger that Kim is in is established and not exploited. And I actually think that that's actually
Starting point is 01:02:54 kind of to the episode's credit, because it gives you so much more time to sit and process deaths with a bunch of characters. Like Harry is thinking about death, Patera is thinking about characters like like Harry is thinking about death, Patera is thinking about death, Hattiel is thinking about death, like they are all kind of processing this from different directions and and it means different things to different people at different times. And I do think that the Vanari way of life is extremely fucked up. And I think if more Starfleets had like shown up on their planet, we might have had more time like unpacking
Starting point is 01:03:31 that, like the iron Randian-ness of it and the horror of the second you're not like contributing to the bottom line, you've gotta go. Yeah, I felt like that was also something that kind of made this episode feel unique. But I'd say overall I thought it was a pretty strong episode. Unique and good. You know what else I think is strong is our viewers that send P1s to each other. Do you want to see if we have any P1s in the inbox? On my way there. Priority one message from Starfleet coming in on Secured Channel.
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Starting point is 01:07:37 I hate to disappoint Jeff and Cindy, but we will always find something to do. Uh, more than a young writer's podcast. I'm sorry. Yeah. And Jeff asked for the next DS9 episode available. Sorry we missed that by a lot, but hopefully you guys are still listening. Yeah, hope so.
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Starting point is 01:09:06 Captain Captain and Janeway, the U.S. and the U.S. and the U.S. about to kill it. Hey Adam. It's Epin. Did you find yourself a drunk Shimoda? I'm a drunk Shimoda. I'm gonna make my Shimoda the vacuole. The vacuole is having the most fun.
Starting point is 01:09:23 The vacuole is going everywhere. The vacuole has bodies in most fun. The vacuoles go in everywhere. The vacuole has bodies in it. It's dropping off. It's got bodies that's picking up. It's a naturally occurring phenomenon. No one seems to care about whether or not it's sentient or not or working for some sort of afterlife figure. They say it as much as exocomp this episode. Like that, it's a word that just
Starting point is 01:09:46 kept on striking my eardrums over and over again. I'm gonna have to let me. I mean, they keep saying it despite the fact that the aliens have a different term for it. Right. Right. And like Harry Kim is like, oh, well, what we would call this is a subspace vacuole. I know. The quit trying to make vacuole happen, guys. Anyway, I'm positive the exocomp holds the record that will never be broken for most utterances of a weird thing in an episode,
Starting point is 01:10:16 but it feels like vacuole might come close. So vacuole my drunk Shimoda. What about you? Pretty good Shimoda. I have a time code Shimoda. What about you? Pretty good Shimoda. I have a time code Shimoda. Adam. All right, give me the Deats. If you take your playhead to 20 minutes and about 10,
Starting point is 01:10:36 20 minutes and five seconds, I'll say. You can see a shot, it's a Janeway talking to Patera and over Janeway's shoulder and the deep background is Kess. And Kess is on a, on like a high chair. It's not even a stool. It's like, it is a chair that is so high that it looks like it might be a little bit challenging to even get up onto.
Starting point is 01:11:00 That is such a, that's such a production trick. Like, getting people on Apple boxes in the back or whatever, but this is like the Apple chair. Yeah, it's a, it's a really, really high chair and she's just like sitting in the back around like tapping on this computer screen periodically. And I felt a little bit bad for Jennifer lean having to just like sit there and do that probably four takes in a row so that they could get this angle. But then also like such a weird chair that they put
Starting point is 01:11:32 around. And I think it's just so that she's like fully up over Janeway's shoulder in the composition. I feel that way too. Yeah. And God, after a couple takes, you back is going to start barking from sitting up straight that way. Yeah, so, uh, Cass is my drunk Samota. There you go. What's up with that high chair in Six Bay? Why do they have that? It's bizarre. It's so weird. Well, I'm going to head on over to the game of Buttholes,
Starting point is 01:12:02 the will of the caretaker, where I have found our runabout on square 80. That's been the reason this has been a regular episode for us. But what is the episode going to be about that we discuss next week, Ben? Next episode is season one, episode nine, prime factors. An alien leader has the technology that could send the crew 40,000 light years closer to home, but refuses to share it with them. That would cut down on half of the distance, right? I think it's a little over half, right? Isn't it 70,000 that they need to go? This could be great for them. Yeah, but they won't share. Why? Well, they share. You're required to learn as you play.
Starting point is 01:12:50 Roll. Well, danger is ahead, Ben, because two squares ahead of us is a caught in the nebula or no note episode for us. And that's basically the only thing in range of this dice roll. All right, I'm going to go ahead and roll this bone. Wish me luck. Tula! Did I win? I have rolled a five at him, so we are on square 85 regular episode for next installment of the greatest generation.
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