The Greatest Generation - You Can’t be a Legate in Tweed (DS9 S5E19)

Episode Date: December 23, 2019

When Yaremfel syndrome threatens to kill Tekeny, his final act is to spill the tea on his political enemies. But when Kira learns that he’s just another Cardassian, she has a tough time bringing herself to record the priceless intelligence he has to offer. Who are the Dick Cheney and Dennis Hastert of the Dukat administration? What’s a Bashir Radler? What’s the correct attire for turning a teacup into a missile? It’s the episode Adam won’t remember recording! 🖖GET TICKETS TO GREATEST GEN KHAN II: STAR TREK III🖖 Follow The Game of Buttholes: The Will of the Prophets! Support the production of The Greatest Generation. Music by Adam Ragusea & Dark Materia  Follow Adam and Ben on Twitter, and discuss the show using the hashtag #GreatestGen! Facebook group | Subreddit | Wiki Sign up for our mailing list!

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and season two of Star Trek Picard. We've set up a page where you can also contribute. It's at friendsofdecotoforlabor.com. That's friendsofdececoto for Labor.com. That's FriendsOfDecoto for Labor.com. Link in the episode description. Okay, now let's get on with the show. Welcome to the greatest generation Deep Space 9. It's a Star Trek podcast by a couple of guys who are a little bit embarrassed to have a Star Trek podcast. I'm Adam Prenica.

I'm Ben Harrison. Seasons Greetings, man. Oh yeah. Happy Hanukkah. Happy Christmas, happy Kwanzaa. Whatever you celebrate. Happy nothing, also. We're glad to have you. A lot of people just binge this podcast

and listen to all the episodes at once, you know, on like a long road trip, so this could be somebody listening in July right now. Yeah. And we're talking about, you know, making snow angels and Chris Kringle and crap. They'll never know the holiday on we, you and I are feeling at the moment.

So that's either months in the past or months in the future for them. Right. Here for us, it's the impending present. Yeah. I pretty much have holiday on we the entire year through. You know what I need? Is I need a war on on we?

Yeah. That's the war on Christmas adjacent conflict that I'm into. Well, I think that when people say have a nice day, that's sort of the implication is that they're part of the war on Unweigh. That's the happy holidays of the war on Unweigh. Yeah. Yeah, truly. Have you ever heard that thing?

Like, I think have a nice day, like, didn't exist before the 80s. Really? Have you heard this like that? This is like a very vaguely recollected thing, but I was like poking around somewhere on the internet and I stumbled across some like stand-up comedy thing where it was about how a bunch of stand-ups in the 80s had chunks in their sets about how have a nice day

was something people say now and how weird that is. Like, you know, because like the, the ponshunt of a standup comic is to react negatively against a neologism of any kind. You know, I have a theory about this. And that is back to my very first retail jobs. That was a sort of comment that was legislated into your behavior. Like you were graded customer service wise on if you were, if you gave a greeting.

Like I'm trying to remember these off the top of my head. This is 20 years ago, but like greet the customer with a smile. Ask them if they need any help. Take them directly to the thing that they are asking about. Like, if they're asking you where the fucking pickles are, you take them to the pickles. You don't just point. You thank them for coming in at the end and you tell them to have a nice day. Like, there's a list of things. And we were encouraged to model that behavior because we were secretly shopped by people

who would then grade us, and then our managers would get reports that would say stuff like, Adam did three out of the five things. The two things he didn't do was greet with a smile, because he's not a monster. And he said some variation of have a nice day that wasn't exactly have a nice day.

It was something like have a good one. Right, yeah. And I think- Keep on trucking, I think, was your common salutation. One of the monstrous things that has happened to managerial authority in all types of workplace is the skewing towards things that can only be measured.

Right? Like you're taking subjectivity out of a manager's arsenal and making them just like check boxes about employees. Instead of looking at employees like real people, they are automaton's that either do or do not greet with a smile or say have a nice day at the end? The entire, entirely quantified managerial style is so much a product of these things that becomes a cudgel wielded by extremely literal minded managers who just who who if you're not a good manager, you fucking love this. Yeah. If you're not a good people person, this is a thing for you. I say, have a nice day to people when I'm a customer in line at a thing, like when I'm checking out at the grocery store, I say it, but it really did become

like a, I'm looking at the, there's a Wikipedia article about it, and it is, and it's like the 70s that it became part of common parlance. And like, it has like a weird counter cultural association, like, like hippies used to say happy day, and then it became have a good day. And then like St. Patrick's Day marches, there was like a black banner that said P-O-W-M-I-A families

never have a nice day, which is like, wow. I feel like we should have like a friendly fire special episode about this, because I bet John remembers when people started saying it That's interesting. Yeah This is a like this kind of programming the social programming especially in retail is something that I Really struggle against as a customer because I This is gonna feel very closely tied to the, the, never do bits on tips philosophy that you and I have as sort of a governing philosophy with being a good

person out in the world. But like break the script is what I would encourage anyone out there to do. Like you're, you're entering into a contract socially when you step up to the register with your groceries on the belt that doesn't have to be that way. And you can break it and it's more fun to break it. And here's the thing, like here's what's fucked up, you're the only one with permission to do that, the customer. So do it. You are saving a retail employees life in that in that two minutes. If you can shoot the shit with them like a real person and get off script.

Just treat them as a pier. Like yeah, like that's all it takes. Just be nice to them and ask them other days going. December is a tough fucking month to work with the public. And I really feel for all the friends of DeSoto out there whose job it is to do that. It's hard. It's hard when your behavior is legislated to such a degree. And I think if you're a friend of DeSoto that is not a retail employee, you have an opportunity to bring a little light to them in a hard time.

Yeah, shout out to everyone that's got a tough job this time of year. I know that that is a lot, a lot of people. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Well, I didn't expect that intro to get that heavy, but it did. Yeah, these are some intense Star Trek cards, man. Well. Yeah. But kind of an intense episode today, also. So I think kind of thematically related to our marion is the 19th episode of season five of Deep Space Nine.

It's called Ties of blood and water. Two. Do you realize how many? What about this series? Ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, These are Clip-On Family Ties. The Alex P. Keaton of Deep Space, nine of course, is Major Kira, right? Oh man, that just went over my head. From Family Ties, the show. See, that's a moment where our age disparity really comes to the fore. Like, it's not too many years, but those are crucial years.

I definitely feel like I caught some episodes of that show, but I... Is that the one with Kurt Cameron on it? No, you're thinking of growing pains. Family ties with... Oh, with Michael J. Foxx. Michael J. Foxx and Meredith Baxter and Meredith Baxter Bernie, I think. Wow. And these are just from the top of my head.

Use the guy. Michael Gross. Michael Gross is the guy. Damn. And it had the font of all family television shows of that era. It did. Yeah. It had the family serifs.

I can't remember how many years I've been married Yeah, it had the family serifs. Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh So fucking dumb. I have an easier time with that because I got married to my wife on July 11th, the same year that the Beyonce song 7-Eleven came out. And so we played that song at our reception and if I ever need to look it up, I can just look up the song 7-Eleven and remember. You know, there's a kind of brain trauma where the patients can only remember things from a certain span of time and then nothing after. Yeah. And I wonder if that happened to me. I'm not making a joke or making light of this. Like I'm wondering if I had like a very minor stroke. And it has just made things over the last 10 years more difficult to remember than

anything in my first 20. You know, I often wonder that working with you day in day out. Yeah, it's concerning. Well, speaking of scary medical diagnoses, that's what this episode is about. Yeah, Tickene Gamore is visiting the station. And Tira is putting together a little welcoming party for him in the hallway on Deep Space Nine. She would like to accent and waft a treat to Kenny as a visiting head of state.

I think we have a red carpet and storage somewhere. As though that is the level of importance that he carries. And you might be wondering who is Tickenny Gamor? You and I both remember Tickenny Gamor from God. How many seasons ago was that? The episode where Major Kira was put into Cardassian loaf and made to believe that she was his daughter. What was that episode called, Face of the Enemy? No, that's the one where Deanna Troy is in Romulan loaf. In deep loaf. So it should have been called.

So gather around as I run it down and unravel my pedigree. That was a fairly traumatic episode for Kira, and it was one that ended with a very paternal relationship, a paternal feeling relationship between T'Kani Gamer and Kira, and then we never heard from him again until now. Second skin is the name of the episode. It was season three episode five. One of the few episodes named after condoms. Indeed. That and Magnum are the two. Right. Yeah. I mean, we haven't seen the Star Trek Enterprise episode special tingle yet, but we may never get there. Or the Voyager episode ribbed for her pleasure.

Yeah. It was just an episode about the crew doing bits for Captain Janeway. Yeah, many people dislike Star Trek Discovery for the episode Lamb Skin. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha practically your father? Your father? Yeah, it's like a father-daughter relationship where they live in different cities and only communicate over the phone and like don't see each other on holidays, but a lot of warmth nonetheless. A ton of warmth.

Kira is psyched that he's here so much so that she's giving him the riker treatment of walking him around the station, taking him to his cabin, showing him where the thermostat and the light switches are. Yeah. She psyched and her energy is in relative opposition to his fatigue. He is beat from his trip. But you know, Kira is psyched that he's there for a lot of reasons, one of which is that

she feels like he would be interested in participating in opposing the Cardassian regime politically. There is no one better qualified to lead the opposition. She's suggesting that they turn Deep Space Nine into sort of a World War II London. And he set up a government in exile so that he can run sort of a raisee stance within the Cardassian Empire while the Dominion is in charge. Does, I mean, yeah, that would mean that the Goldicat administration

is kind of a Vichy Cardassia, right? Yeah, yeah. They're cooking for the Dominion. And she's trying to make a general shirak out of Gamor. And he's like, I just don't think that kind of hat is very flattering on me. What calledu katas is a walk ride? I am too tired to resist though.

I'm going to come down for the rest of the film and just hang out in this chair and not freak out the ass of people in the theatre. I have a terminal illness. Don't you feel bad for me! Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, why not, right? Why not? Well, we offer a lobotomy as a free upgrade to all services that we charge for here at

the clinic. Fish your pushes in that tape again. Be now well-worn, current tape. If you are watching this, you have been pitched on the idea of having your memory erased. I am Kern compensated in Dorser. Or am I? I'll never know. Yeah, sad times. And speaking of sad times, Gmour is still looking for the daughter that he thought Kira was all these years later.

And she's still not been found. And there's some discussion of this. If indeed she is still alive, she's been in deep cover for more than 10 years. And that is not the easiest kind of person to flush out. Now, not at all. In addition to not wanting the hat, he also does not want the gig of being head of the government in exile, despite being a, you know, former legate, like a very powerful voice in the Kardashian body politic. I never took his power seriously because of his costume. He sort of came off as a

sweater legate to me, right? Like he's not wearing the body armor of the legates that we've seen before. He's got like knitwear. A little donigal tweed in there. He looks hell of retired in this. You can't you can't be a negate and tweet. I think that's what we're getting at. Definitely. He knows his diagnosis, but they rush him to the infirmary when he explains this to Kira and and we get a little like Dr. Bashir explaining the issue to us, the audience, seen that Gamora is very kind to treat as though

it's news to him, like, oh, interesting. So what's the prognosis? Like, he knows. He knows and he's always known. Yeah. I guess it's good to get a second opinion. Good to get an opinion of a doctor that isn't the same species as you,

and probably never studied your species. How much time do I have left? I'm not sure. Yeah, good call. Gold to cut. The cut. Gold to cut. So.

Any episode about the Cardassians has to feature Gold to cut. And he is on the scene in short order in the form of the FaceTime he has with Sisko in his office. He wants to Kenny Gomoar extra-dited back to Cardassia, but since there's no recognition of the Golducat government, Sisko sort of laughs in the face of this request. Yeah.

Yeah. He can't be taken seriously. He he he says will will give it some consideration with his tongue. So far in his cheek that it looks like he's doing that that blow job move where you like poke your tongue into your cheek to to simulate the dick. That's what that town is doing. Yeah. The tongue is the dick. I like the framing on the FaceTime. Like it's Gildu Kats Mac book on his desk, and it's kind of shooting up, so you can see one Kardashian and one Jim Hadar guard. Like, stationed on either side of him.

What do you think, like, if you had like a moral condom and a Kardashian appeared on one shoulder and a Jim Hadara on the other, what kind of advice do you think you'd be getting? It's a real triangulation of evil. Like when W used to do state of the union and it was like child-groping Dennis Haister on his right shoulder and Dick Cheney on the left.

Like a bad war criminal Dick Cheney on his left. It. A bad war criminal, Dick Cheney on his left. It's, yeah, it's like as dark as that. There's some discussion of the fact that DuCat has kept the title goal despite being the supreme leader of all Cardassian political considerations. So much more hands on the legate. It's kind of a lieutenant colonel Gaddafi type of deal. He thinks it kind of gives him a man of the people quality

and takes an opportunity to take a shot at using the title MSIRI. I think it's great political building in this scene and I think if you're hating Goldu-Kat here, it's effective character building. Yeah. Like I think this is this is good stuff. And it's efficient too. This is a very short scene. Mm-hmm. If you know to Kenny Gamor is suffering from an illness that will kill him in fairly short order, Do you hand him a baby? Because that's what Kira does with Yoshiobrion, who I guess she occasionally gets to babysit.

Yeah. Hands him right over to him, and he barely has the strength to hold him very long. What is the communicability of space syndrome? That's a great question too. 30 steps, it's a billion sick. That part is unclear and like like any quote-unquote father and quote-unquote daughter he's asking probing questions about Kira's personal life like whatever happened to that Chicago guy. Yeah. Why don't you make a baby with him?

Yeah. Yeah. Why don't you make a baby with him? Kira is in the, she's in the, them blogs, Adam. The celebrity press keeps track of what Kira is up to. That's kind of a fun reveal, I think. That's wild. They kind of Google each other, don't they? Yeah.

It's like that time that I, I was googling myself and I wrote Benjamin R. Harrison into Google and it tried to auto fill wife. And I was like, yeee. People have been Googling my wife. That's fun. Yeah. This is an interesting scene, Ben, because this is the family that Kira has made, right?

No one in this room is related. Kira's got a dad that doesn't her dad and a child that isn't her child. But everyone treats everyone else in this room like family. Yeah. And I think Kira is, this is an episode about Kira kind of being a little bit broken in terms of when and where she expresses her affection for someone. And I think she's like maybe a little bit uncomfortable in this moment because he says that like as a dying man, he wants to do this Cartassian death right with her,

which is the passing on of all of the dirty secrets that you know. He wants to magnolia her, I guess. It's been such a long time since I've seen that movie. I have no idea what that means. Just like deathbed confession. Oh, okay. That kind of deal.

Yeah. It's that. Lowkey, they make a pretty direct comparison between young Yoshi O'Brien's comfort in the exploding electrical pit of ops. Kira's arms. Because you don't hear a peep out of young Yoshi. Yeah. All of the bits about Yoshi being incapable of chilling out

when not in O'Brien or Wurf's arms in the last episode. Non-canonical. Right. To be quite honest about it, I was in a pair. I'm fucking inical. Right. So Kira meets with Cisco about this ritual. She has some doubts about whether or not she wants to do this. Doubt that Cisco recognizes, but ultimately encourages her to set aside. And this scene is blocked very interestingly. This is another Avery Brooks directed episode.

And they really work the depth of field here. And in a way that really serves Kira's character. For most of this scene, it is Cisco who isn't soft focus, but we're racking back and forth between the two on the focus ring as they talk, and it's really elegantly done. It's a really cool technique because she's kind of pacing, like, toward and away from the camera in front of his desk. He's behind the desk in the background.

And whenever she turns around, they are somehow crashing the focus back to him. But when she's facing the camera, which is most of the scene, the camera is much more interested in her. And that means he will occasionally have three or four lines come out of his mouth where he is just a smudge in the background because the camera is close up on her face. Just to give a little more context to this technique, I mean what you have here is someone running the camera and then you have marks on the lens that a focus puller is using to

go back and forth with. So you're taking a measurement between where every Brooks is marking that on the lens and then you're measuring the distance that the Navisator is from the lens and you're marking that. Right. And your assistant camera, if you're lucky enough to have one, I'm guessing that they use an AC here. Like you've got a camera pop. You've got a cam up and then you've got an AC racking the focus and then you're working back and forth. And if an actor steps out of their mark, I mean, this is, this is a fairly long, unbroken scene. So we're racking back and forth.

I think between four and six times. Yeah. If you miss one of those, you got to go back to one and do it again. And that's what makes a sequence like this so challenging. You need to nail it every time on the focus. There's a lot of teamwork involved. And I think the Navisitor is an accomplished enough actor from a technical standpoint that she is,

I imagine, nailing her mark each time. You don't see her looking for the spike tape on the floor, but when she gets to the point in the conversation that they've planned ahead, where she's standing on Mark X, the focus puller has something on the lens barrel or something on the follow focus that is marked for that spot in the scene. And that's a tough job because the focus puller has got to both be paying attention to the dialogue

and also the mark on the lens. Like there's a lot going on for that person too. It's very technically challenging to make this work. And it's not even always the right thing to do. Like the way the scene is blocked is extremely married to the content of the scene. Avery Brooks is one of those directors though that is like uniquely interested in an actor's performance and gives an actor like Nanabi Zatoar like a moment to shine like that without

cutting away. So a sequence like this is flashy, I feel like, for an Avery Brooks as a director, but it also serves his major goal, which is making an actor shine. Right. She's definitely the thing that you notice the most about the scene. Right. You know, the weight of this of this Cardassian death right is really on her shoulders because it has caused her to think about her own father her real father who We actually meet in this in this flashback that we go to yeah Father, can you hear me? We get some some familiar faces from the resistance and they're in the Star Trek caves and

Cara's dad is brought in on a gurney and He's been shot in the belly. This is the long hair addition, resistance Kira and he's like coughing a blood and he's trying to sell her Western wear. You also sucks. Just what? Is there a resistance Kira action figure?

Oh, I don't know. But the actor playing Kira Tobann is Thomas Copacci, who is a Star Trek that guy for sure, but also the the sales clerk in the Western Weir store in no country for old men. I love him so much. Yeah. There's Laramie's working out for you. That guy's great. Love him a ton. Yeah. Ben, what is the downside to Kira, you know, sitting down for this thing with Tukenigamor? Are you saying, are you asking why she would be conflicted about it? Yes, I am, because I think the episode tells you that it's just, that it's because of her unresolved feelings about the death of her own father,

but there's none of that inter-inter-conversation with Cisco, like this is stuff that she keeps to herself. I think that it lets you draw your own conclusions about that, but my feeling was that the relationship she has with Gamor is so father-daughter adjacent that I thought it might be partly that she feels like she has sort of erased her own father and replaced him with Gamor and that like the the specter of his death has has kind of provoked some feelings of guilt in her about that fact. And- It's interesting that she would ask advice

from someone that she's also not giving all of that information to. Right. That feels like a little bit of a cheat. Yeah, but also realistic because I don't know that she has, like in the same way that the episode doesn't totally define her misgivings, I don't know that she has to herself yet.

I think that it all is pretty well defined by the climax of the episode. God, you know what? That makes it so much better. In asking the question, I'm saying that I'm unsatisfied with her reasonings in the moment, but your answer is like she's working it out and processing it. She doesn't know right now. And that's so much more satisfying than the idea of her having a fully formed and articulate idea for her misgivings at this moment in time.

She feels misgivings and doesn't even know why yet. And that was sort of how I read it, but. And that's a better read than mine. I was already the poke holes in it. You read his valid, I think. There's definitely a way to look at this and say, this conflict isn't actually in the script and they're just relying on her performance

to get it across. There's something confidential in that scene with Kira and Cisco that made me that felt superficial. Right. I wonder if that's partly because of some of the storytelling techniques that Star Trek occasionally uses, like sometimes you'll have a character flash into something like this and it's not a memory.

They've gone back in time and suddenly we have to like deal with the fact that they've gone back in time. Yeah. And so you might just be like speculating about what this could mean for too long to get that it's just her having a quick memory. That's fair. Yeah. I don't know. Anyways, Gamore has gone from being like a tired guy, but a man who is on his feet and

holding babies and stuff to a man who is on hospice care and passed out on a bio bed in the infirmary. Care is like, I really shouldn't have handed in my baby. That was a close call. That was a mistake. They really gave him the Starfleet craftmatic adjustable bed. Yeah.

It's like a combination, right? Because they still give him the triangle pillow, which is nice, you know, that's probably the kind of pillow he's used to as a cardassian. You know what, this is costuming kind of wagging the story dog a little bit because if they had given him the legate armor, he wouldn't have been comfortable in this bed like he is wearing the tweet. Yeah, what? I wonder if they ever thought of having him show up in the armor and then change into the tweet. I kind of like that visually.

Yeah. That would have been... As a way to tell that story. Yeah, like a little bit more of a bright line between him being well enough to be honest feet and being in this bed. Yeah. I can't go out. I'm sick.

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over the English channel. Anyways, Tata. Do you think an Arnold Palmer for Dr. Bershear is half ale, half piss? Pfft. Ha ha ha. Yes. That's like a Radler, right? Yeah. It's like if it's ale and piss. Yeah. I like a Radler, right?

Yeah. It's like if it's Alan Piss. Yeah. I like a Radler. I don't want to paint a Radler with that brush. I like an Arnold Palmer, so I don't want you to paint that with that brush. Yeah. Anyways, the tea that he is spilling is about, you know, who Golducats political enemies

are and like, what motivates them and stuff. The discussion has been had that this is like a great, a great come up for Starfleet intelligence. Like everybody is going to like having this information. But Esgimoire goes through this, Cara flashes back once again to her days in the final moments of her father's life, and he's on the cot. He's struggling against the pain of his injury and talking about what brutal assholes the Kardashians are.

They burned their garden, set fire to their town. I try to talk to them, the reason with them. Look what they've done to me. You never burn a pejorant garden. It's the last straw. Yeah. Like, the only thing worse than that would be blowing up their pizza oven, right? Right.

Yeah. Very strong feelings about pizza and gardens. Yeah. For people that have as many beautiful pizza ovens as they have, they never make pizza. You never see a meeting, hosporat, never pizza. Yeah. I don't understand it. Do you think pejorans go for a thin crust, like a breadier pizza or do they do like a deep dish? like a breadier pizza or do they do like a deep dish. Hmm. If I had to guess, if bejorins are Chicago style or thin crust, I'm thinking I'm gonna guess thin crust.

Yeah, cause they have like spring wine and like, I feel like their food is pretty light. I feel the same way. I feel like cardacians are heavy food people. Yeah, yeah. Meat and potato cardacians and more like Mediterranean right? Bedurans.

Yeah. I'm gonna make them pay for this. I promise you. So these interviews are given to us in kind of montage form. We never hear a story beginning to end. Yeah. From Gamore, it's really like these flashes

and snippets of things he was involved in. The information is not actually germane for our purposes. No, not at all. Which is nice, if you're a writer. It's just that there is a great volume to it. And like, and like Cisco's like psyched, you know, like, on that. You mostly see it on Kira's face. Like, like, but it's hard to get a grasp of, of time passing, just by listening to him talk, what you, how you experience it is through Kira, who's growing more and more fatigued, like going through it. And she says like, she's been up for 30 hours, which is not really like the way of people

who are on death's door in my experience. Like, yeah. When my uncle was dying a couple of years ago, like you would get like 15 minutes at a time and then he would like drift off to sleep for a while. I mean, we know Kira cares for this guy a lot, but a part of her has to be wanting to grab that triangular pillow to give

him a good smother. Right? Right? What's one more Cardassian body to her? Yeah, that barely moves the needle. She's working around the clock to gather this intel and also unburden him of all his secrets. And we get a great shot of a super tick pulling up to deep space nine. And Cisco gets up to the to the ops section on the elevator and he's like, what's going on?

Status report. And they're like, oh, yeah, actually, super tick just pulled up. Like when he walks into Ops and says, status report, how often is that the answer? They, the Super Tick is so large and it's coming from Cardassia, like they saw it coming, right? Right, like it being within weapons range should not be a surprise to everyone.

This is what long range sensors are for. Yeah. Not a good look. Although after some of the dirty tricks of the dominion takeover of Cardacia, you could forgive them for not always believing their sensor readings, I guess. Do cuts there because he's like,

so about that request. You said you would give it some consideration. I was really excited to hear that. And just following up on that. Yeah, it's great. And so it's he and Wei-un who have transported over to the station and they take a meeting in Cisco's office. This is a great Wei-un episode, I think. Yeah. He just seems like, like, he is involved big time. You know, he's pulling the strings He is involved big time. You know he's pulling the strings on Ducat, but he is playing it as though he's totally detached

and kind of watching things happen around him with a level of amusement that is a lot of fun. Like he doesn't actually give a shit how any of it resolves. Yeah, and even Cisco's like, I watched you die, man. Why are you here? And he's like, no, I mean, I've been cloned five times. It's actually not a big deal to die if you're me. Yeah.

And it's put that casually. It tends to mitigate the risk involved in so much of our work. I don't think that we had that information about the Vorta up until now. But it means that any Vorta we've met, we could meet again. It's sort of that technology where, you know, in a bar fight, the person you want to be concerned about

is the one that is not. The one staring super scarily at you, it's the one that's like cool and casual. That is the one you need to worry about because they've been through it a billion times. Right. And it's not scary to them. Yeah.

That's what way you and it's like, he's so casual, he's scary. Everything is water off a duck's back to him. Yeah, when there are no stakes to a person that makes them totally free. Freedom calls a bugle, fail. So DuCott is basically saying like,

hey, we are really interested in extra-diting Gamore and by extra-diting, I mean, inviting him to retire to the comfort of Cardassia because we have a whole new system of jurisprudence on Cardassia introduced by the Dominion, and, you know, like true to their reputation as fair and reasonable people. Our new justice system has big improvements and has cleared Gamore's name entirely. This whole situation has cured the Yerim fell syndrome because I'm missing. I know. To Kenny Gamore is is full of them and bigger. He's pissed. That's so weird. I really I literally have a note that says Gam Gamor suddenly full of Vim when DuCat shows up.

Yeah, he's cured. We both use a term Vim. Yeah. He was very big, and his father. Yeah, in a way that has to kind of low-key irritate Bashir a little bit because he's filling him full of drugs and none of the drugs have worked as good as DuCat.

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Ask your doctor if Ducat is right for you. Gamora is not interested in playing this kind of ball with them, even when the idea of his daughter is produced by Ducat. Not even that is interesting enough for him to play ball because Gamora knows he's going to dead soon. Yeah. So he turns them down. We get another little montage of Kyra taking care of him and taking his confession and taking his confession. And then an exhausted moment of Kira in Quark's bar, where Quark is offering her a long list of beverages and she's basically just ignoring him

until he offers to bring her like a glass of warm milk. Yeah, Quark does that pivot where he's initially a dick. And then finally does something nice. It's these moments that like, you know, Quark is playing into his own self image and then reveals that he has a heart. You look terrible. That's not that I mind. I like my women a little, I'll both.

I feel like half the writers room really want that to be the deal with Quark is that he talks a big game about being a terrible person, but in reality has a heart of gold. And the other half the writer's room is like, no, he's just a terrible person. Yeah, you really do feel that tension. It, they're trying to figure out like what the line is for a lovable scoundrel.

What's the limit there? Yeah. I don't think we know either. Carol passes out in her apartment and is awakened by DuCott kind of barging in. He's trying to make the same pitch to her that he did originally to Gamor, like, you know, maybe try and talk him into coming back with us. And she's like, Hey, why don't you fuck off? And he's like, Well, like, you know, there's some things about him that you might not realize. Like, for example, Kiesa monastery, have you ever considered what role he might have played in that? And she's like, Oh, that

historical massacre that was very terrible. And he's like, Yes, that historical massacre that was very terrible. And she's like, yes, I'll just leave this right here. And he sets an iPad down on her table and walks out of the room. She fucking nails him with a teacup like that police chief in the Big Lebowski. Oh, fucking fascist. I couldn't tell if she hit him or the wall just behind him because he like his head moves so quickly that I couldn't Tell if it like actually was supposed to connect with his face. I think his head goes back into the left To the extent that I think he sells the idea that he was hit with it. Wow. It's a great scene. I love how

How Kira shifts gears in the span of 10 seconds. She is sarcastic and biting and then fucking angry. I would love to see somebody just go through this frame by frame and see if we can see if we can get to the bottom of whether this actually lands. Yeah. Because T cup as a missile is a pretty intense move. And very and very Kira like nice to see her in her pizza oven destroying shirt for this moment. Yeah, it's the right garment for the moment. Kira can't help but read this report and then she confronts Gamor in the next scene about this massacre. And he admits to it and also says that it was war and he was young, but that does not satisfy Kira.

She is pissed. Yeah, pissed to the extent that she doesn't think she can forgive him for having been a part of it. The more I learn about that guy, the more I don't care for him. And he's like, listen, if I could go back to before my frontal lobe had developed and not enlisted in the Kardashian military and not like volunteered for service on Beijor, I would But here I am like a dying old man full of regrets and I'm telling you like that's not me now

She's like fuck you and storms out of the room. Yeah. I didn't want you to hate me It's what you deserve. We get a fun interstitial scene at Quarx, where Wei-Yun is enjoying Dabo and Cisco invites he and Goldu-Cott to have some canar with him at a table nearby. Not the friendliest invitation because Cisco only has one glass, which means they're not gonna be drinking together. He's just pouring a glass for Golducot.

And he shoves this glass over at him and Golducot is like, no, I never drink that stuff before 5 p.m. or whatever. You drinking the witch after dinner? No plan. Despite the fact that he's got like a great big champagne flute in his hand. It ends up that the bottle of canar has been poisoned because the station received a shipment

of poison bottles of canar for Gamor. And my question for you is, would Cisco have allowed Goldicat to drink from that bottle? How far would he have allowed this to go? Wow. Yeah. Like, how does it look on your service record when as captain of steep of deep space nine, you poured a glass of poison for the head of a hostile alien government? It's, it's, he almost princess brides, cold to cut here, right? Yeah. They walk right up to that moment, but they don't really, they don't really go all the way.

Are there oxygen heads? If they are, they ought to be there! Gold to cut never admits anything, but then Wei-Yu and his like having such fun that he reaches for the glass, shugs it to the dome. Oh my, that is quite toxic, isn't it? Look man, we know the Dominion are bad people, but I aspire to live my life with the way that we own is. He is having the most fun in this episode.

He really is. This is like, why you in this episode is like me at our recent Boston live show, where you abandoned me on stage to go to the bathroom. And I chugged all of the wine that was left on stage, which was like kind of a lot. You sure did. I came back to nothing.

Yeah, I was a... Nothing to drink. I was a mess after that. Yeah, you sure were. You gave the people what they wanted. You really want to do this. Here, now, okay, okay, let's do it. You know what else is a mess, Adam?

It's a major cure. It's such a mess that she has to go to temple and see if she can get some comfort from the prophets. And I don't think she really can, but Odo is there to almost taunt her when she comes out. You got something to say to me, Constable Sayet. Like I don't know if he's pursuing a new strategy in his attempt to woo her, but like nagging somebody

who is having a spiritual crisis is probably not the best way to cause them to land in your arms. I don't get this angle by him. This this feels like Odo X Machina a little bit. I don't understand his motivation for encouraging Kira to forgive. Like Odo lived on that station a long long time under the thumb of evil cardassians. And it's not like Odo has come to grips with that experience in a way that has allowed him to forgive the many things that happened during wartime. Like has he had his epiphany on screen to our knowledge? I don't know. His argument is that Gammar was 19 when this, when this massacre went down. So like, you can't have been senior enough to have ordered it or and we don't know the extent to which he was a, you know,

a willing participant. He was young, dumb, and full of canar. Right. I don't know. Like he's sort of arguing like war makes people of all kinds make pretty terrible decisions. And that sort of like meant to imply that perhaps Major Kira made some terrible decisions of her own when she was in the resistance. Breggards. That's provoking another flashback. And this one is the one where her dad is really in the throes of suffering from his phaser wound. And instead of like being there with him for these last moments of his life, she like gets together a crew of resistance fighters to go who ride on some Kardashians for Rohingya. What does it mean? It means a mata. It means Rohingya.

And by the time she gets back, her father's died in her absence. Right. And this is where I think the rubber meets the road for my theory about why these memories are coming up and complicating her feelings about Gamor. Is that the guilt of having missed that has weighed on her forever. And now she has a very compelling reason to ignore and disconnect from Gamor, but he's kind of an opportunity to seek some redemption for her past sins. But she really applies the leverage to the situation by saying no one should have to die alone in encouraging Kira to be at his bedside. Why does this get said as often as it does?

Ben, you hear all the time about people close to death, we'll have family members at their bedside, like almost 24 seven. And like the moment they leave to go get coffee, like in that five minutes span, the relative will have died. They like sod that the coast is clear and they snuck out. No, I mean, you know what I mean, right? Like, almost like an instinct to a human being is to die alone, almost. It's definitely an instinct to animals, right?

Like, your cat sneaks off and passes away or whatever. I wonder why we've all agreed to this being the truth because it sure seems like there's evidence to the contrary, you know? Yeah, I don't know. I think it's just about comfort for the remaining people, right? That's why we say it, because we need something to do as those that will live on, right? Yeah, you can't take it with you, Adam. Sure can't. I think that the other part of this episode

that is unspoken is the way that Kira has kind of worked her way back toward being friends with Odo despite this stuff that she knows about how he comported himself under Cardassian rule. Yeah. If she can come around on Odo, she can possibly come around on Gamor and in the wake of remembering, like returning to

her resistance caves and finding that her dad passed away, she comes back and sits at Gamor's bedside as he shuffles loose this mortal coil. And it's like, we don't actually see the moment of his passing. We get a, a, a, a very long monologue from her. It's just talking to Dr. Bashir in the infirmary about what those last moments between her and Gamor were like. It's an example of telling and not showing that actually works in telling's favor when you've got Nanavisder doing the lines. It's better this way. It's better this way. It's like, the camera doesn't cut away that much. It's mostly done in a pretty close pretty close single on her. And you know, once or twice, you know, she'll glance it but she'll give us a sheer react. But, you know, there's not there's not much to that side of the story. Like, mostly this is a tearful description of the death of a father figure and she's, you know, she's feeling it in that

way. I think it's crucial that she does not achieve catharsis, you know, like this doesn't fix the situation she had with her real father. It's just as painful to go through the death of someone close to her this time around. Right, it doesn't undo what happened between her and her biological father. Right, she's pretty shattered. And but she's to his credit says, a few comforting words, but you know, it's one of those things that is not,

you're not that able to be comforted in a moment like this and. And now also I feel like that would be out of character for him to try. Like he treats the moment fairly administrative. I mean, he's supportive of her, but he's not going to sit next to her and hold her. Right. That's just not his way. I thought a lot about that, like the fact that this is a couple, like in real life in this

moment. Wow, yeah. And like the level of emotion that they're going through. I wonder if, I wonder if as actors who have embarked on a relationship with each other, they do some aftercare after a scene like this. I wonder how hard Alexander S Sidig struggled against his own. Like, he's seeing his wife experience this trauma in front of him. There's something inside you that is, that I feel like is instinctually trying to reach out

and help in a way that your character can't. And that's going to be such a struggle. When you're accessing feelings like the ones that none of visitors are saying in this scene, like the feelings are real while you're bringing them up. Like, even if it's for a fictional reason, like the, you know, like, like, you're running a simulation

of having that experience in your, and it has the same like physical ramifications in a lot of ways. Yeah. So tough. The button on the episode is in the aftermath, Ducat and Waiyoon meet up with Cisco in his office, and they've heard about Gamor's death. Gold to Cot is like, you killed to Kenny. You bastard.

Do Cot is going to use this moment for his own ends. He's like, I'm going to go back to Cardassia and tell everyone that on his deathbed, Gamor supports the dominion. And there's really not anything Cisco can do about it. Well, the one thing that he can do is withhold the body, right? Because like DuCat wants to make some political theater of a, you know, like full military honors as and a, you know, prime time state funeral for Gamor. And that is not the burial that Gamor is going to get. And instead it is a very private funeral service for one. Yeah, at a grave that Kira digs herself on Beijor, and it's a plot right next to her real father.

We know this because it's that same tree that we saw in the flashback where she buried her father before. Yeah, but it's a different season. The scene is very lush in a way that it was not in the flashback. And I guess that's also like sort of metaphorical for how far Bage or his come since the resistance era. God, Kira digs a great-looking grave. Yes.

It is like a... Japanese garden style pattern in the dirt. Yeah. Really well done. Very nice. She gives great grave. Yeah, that's the note we end on. Did you like the episode, Ben?

I did. I think that I had a little problem with how Rhett Connie, the relationship felt between Kira and Gamor, and how I didn't quite get a man who was about to be on Death's door from him when he first showed up. Like, I was like, oh yeah. Like he did cough into a handkerchief and look at it and there's like a red spot. Right. Like tired from a flight proceeding to, you know, on a gurney with an IV in five minutes time felt very sudden to me.

And that was a struggle for me with this episode. But any episode that gives Major Kira a big emotional arc to go through is always going to be satisfying because you've got an incredibly capable actor delivering that experience. And all of the emotion of that was really real to me and really well drawn. So if we reshoot the scene where Takeni Gamora arrives on the station, and instead of wanting to go to his quarters for a nap, he kind of staggers into warf and acts as arms, is that a more effective way to begin his illness story? think you need something like that, like something like the transport is coming in there, they're expecting him, but they get word ahead of time that there's been a medical emergency in flight and like they're going to need to like get him right to the infirmary or something,

you know, something like that. And then also like two episodes in between seasons three, episode five and season five, episode 19, continuing the idea that she and Gamor are dear to each other. Yeah, they almost cop to the idea that they're not writing each other and they're not doing FaceTime,

they're just Google snooping each other. Yeah. Which is a bad way to maintaining relationship. Yeah, I mean, there are some holes here, as you say, but I mean, give me Avery Brooks directing the Navisitor and that's all I need, I think. She gets two centerpiece scenes all to herself basically. And that makes for a good episode in my book, so I'll leave it at that.

Well, do you want to see if we have any priority one messages? Yeah! Priority one message from Starfleet coming in on Secured Channel. Need a supplement on this. A supplement on this? A supplement. A supplement. Yes, extra. The interest alone could be enough to buy this ship.

Adam, we have a couple of priority one messages here. The first one is from Yoli, and it's the Sam. Goes like this. Schmooly. We're getting married. Or maybe we already got married, depending on when Ben and Adam like this. Schmooly. We're getting married. Or maybe we already got married, depending on when Ben and Adam read this. I'm spending $138 Canadian just to tell you,

that you're my heartbeat. Your paw is strong. I'm down for some Jumaharone. You better watch out. As Vic Fontaine says, the best is yet to come! Come the day your mine. Wow. Really calling a shot with who's coming and when, huh? Yeah. Congratulations on your impending and or recent nupual suels schmooly and yoli. That's great. Making it work. Yeah. See it's not all bad out there. I love that. Yeah Ben our second priority when message comes from Clayton

and it's for Nicole I'm saying it that way because both of those names have exclamation points. Oh yeah. The message goes like this. I love you, Nicole! And we both love this podcast! See, there's exclamation points throughout.

I'm trying to get that read. Do you think that exclamation points are the same thing as all caps? Oh, is that what I'm doing? Am I doing a bad read? I don't know. I'm scratching my head here because I've never screamed and a sentence that has an exclamation point at the end. You know what, I'm going to take it down to a seven. Like in reading this message, I think that's, that's the sincerity it's asking for.

Okay. Here we go. I'm going to start over, right? Okay. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Take your time. I love you, Nicole. and we both love this podcast. We're probably listening to it right now. Ben and Adam are really funny and you, Nicole, are the best. Merry Christmas. Happy birthday. Or happy just whatever day this comes out. Wow. I love you so much. You're the best wife.

Never did this comes out. Wow. I love you so much. You're the best wife. Also, thanks Ben and Adam for doing the show and reading my message. Big fan. Wow. I had thought previously that my wife was the best wife,

but it turns out Nicole is the best wife. Yeah, that's it. Clayton really showed us. Geez. Kind of threw it in our faces to be honest Yeah, yeah, I feel I feel a little bit wife shamed Wow Yeah, pretty rough. I mean it it would be our way to experience the joy of another person's relationship as an attack on our own

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sisco calls to cut a dominion puppet. And the Dennis Hastert cardacian over his right shoulder just gives a stare down to the gem hadar over his left shoulder. And like locks into him for the remainder of the conversation in a way that is great. Right. That is a choice that I really love. Like, you know what that guy's feeling.

He doesn't like to be called a puppet. That guy on the back. He takes great umbrage with that. No puppet. No puppet. You're the puppet. Yeah. What about you, Ben? It's way you. Yeah. I mean, for Drinking Poison. Speaking of working the puppet, you could just... you just fucking elbow deep and do cut this whole episode Yeah, but also clearly doesn't really care what happens with any of this like it's kind of immaterial to him

He's kind of humoring do caught in this moment and definitely the character that's having the most fun in the episode the character that's having the most fun in the episode. The stakes for... it's weird that everyone else is experiencing extremely high stakes, except for a way in. Yeah. Right? Like it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. Like, this episode would work if they hadn't written him back into it.

Like we wouldn't be like, I feel like there was something missing without him. Yeah. But he adds to it. I hope we get a lot more way in the seasons ahead because he adds a spice to the episodes now that I've really, like, I want that flavor more and more. I want that detached character commenting and sniping at people like,

wayune has basically touched the Mario star. Like he's he's fine. Doesn't matter. Yeah. It makes everyone look silly in proximity. Lightens the mood. Well, couple of good charmote is there, Ben. Yeah. You want to talk about what we're going to be doing next and how we will be doing it? Well, the only way to do that is for you to tell me about that episode and then for both of us to consult the Game of Buttholes, we'll let the profits. Yeah, that's true. Well, the next episode is season five, episode 20. Frengy love songs.

Another quark episode, Adam. Quark sacrifices his mother's happiness in order to regain his standing in Frengy society. The return of Mugi. Yeah. Currently our little runabout is pulsing on square 57, where several squares ahead we've got a space but hole that would drop us all the way down to square 18. That would be quite a tumble.

That would. You're required to learn as you play. Roll. Let's see if we hit it. Oh, I hit it. Oh, I love it. Whoa, shit. Roll. Let's see if we hit it. Oh, I hit it. Oh, I hit it. We are all the way back down to square 18. Oh, wow. Quark's bar episode. Yeah. God damn. How about that?

We are going to, boy, not quite start the new year doing a Quark's bar. We're going to do Quark's spark then New Year's Eve. That's how greatest Jen is going to go into the year 2020. We're gonna wake up in the New Year with a bad hangover. I predict. Take your broad. Fuck. Well, we want to wish a happy New Year and a happy holiday season

to a lot of friends at DeSoto. Maybe most of all, those who we unwrap the gift from every month, those that go to Maximum Fund Outdoor, slash Donate, they keep our show going. Indeed. We also got to thank our buddy Bill Tilly, who makes collectible trading cards out of every episode. They delight me.

Every week he puts out new trading cards using the hashtag greatest Jan on Twitter and it's always a highlight of my week. I laugh at the funny pictures he finds from the episodes and the quotes that he pulls from our show, it's just fucking great. Adam Ragusia is a great teacher. He's great at music because he is responsible for the music of our show using a lot of the source music material from Dark Materia. But he is also one of the finest foods men in the game. You think his holiday meals are pretty good this time of year? I bet they are.

Oh yeah, he's given all these like, all these turkey cooking lessons and stuff on YouTube. He's got a smash hit YouTube channel, Adam. You know what Adam Ragusey is doing? He's putting nutmeg in the glass and then adding the eggnog. What's it he does? Wow. Okay. We got to thank the great folks at MaximumFun.org who are all instrumental in helping us get this

show out there. And thanks to everyone that leaves us a nice review on Apple Podcasts or their pod catcher of choice. And with that, we'll be back at you next time with another great episode of Star Trek Deep Space 9 and an episode of the greatest generation Deep Space 9, which is pre-pre-funken. You're the God of the U.S. You're the God of the U.S. You're the God of the U.S. You're the God of the U.S. Make it sound. Make it sound.

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