The Greatest Generation - You Can’t Huah On the Pickup (VOY S3E7)

Episode Date: January 10, 2022

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Do it, Captain. Welcome to the greatest generation and to Star Trek Podcast by a couple of guests, just a little bit embarrassed to have a Star Trek Podcast. I'm Adam Pranica. I'm Ben Harrison. This should be like a holiday today. Ben, do you know why?

Why is today unlike all other days, Adam? It's the occasion of our 400th episode of the greatest generation. This is episode 400. Wow. That is a huge milestone. I think the last time we talked about a huge milestone was episode 365, and I had so much fun, like, people telling us what their birthday episode episode was the episode that lines up with the day of the year They were born on it's weird that 400 aligns so closely with when the very first episode came out episode one came out

January 25th 2016 yeah, and episode 400 comes out January 10th Not clear where greatest generation was on January 6th though. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Nobody has asked that question. Unfortunately, no photographic evidence to prove where the greatest Jen was. That's right. Greatest generation was using their flag poles for an entirely different reason. Yeah. I mean, the greatest generation was using their flag poles for an entirely different reason. Yeah. I was really grinding my teeth on January. Yeah.

Grinding them into sawdust. Four hundred man, six years of work. Yeah. Six years of shows coming out every week. I don't know how that math works. Oh, because we did two episodes a week for such a long time. That's why.

That's why. Yeah. We were so dumb. We were. Young dumb and full of free time, I guess. But not. We both had full-time jobs back then. This is now our full-time job.

Yeah. It's like this. My uncle Ted, when he retired, was saying saying I don't know how I ever did it before I feel like it's a full-time job just keeping up with all the little projects I have around the house Isn't that the truth? Yeah going Ted's wise going full-time on this I kind of feel the same way I'm I'm just uncle Ted like like tilling my garden and stuff I mean if you till eat your garden Mmm, that look like some cool trading cardsing my garden and stuff. I mean, if you till eat your garden, what would that look like?

Some cool trading cards of my garden? Oh, I was thinking it might have macaroni and cheese buried in there. That was disturbingly not delicious. The other great news about this episode is it's probably gonna be, I mean, not one of the last, but like, we're gonna start to pass off editing of this show to our new

producer, Wendy Pretty. I think I'm going to edit this one, but she'll be in the rotation soon enough. One great thing about having a producer is we're going to be doing a lot more bonus content over in the bonus feed. Oh, yeah. We've got a lot of bonus ideas to explore. Yeah. We got a great spreadsheet full of bonus ideas. And a bonus spreadsheet full of bonus bonus ideas.

Kind of like an outgoing legislator. I feel emboldened to like during my last episodes of editing. I want to make sure all of every drop that I would ever want to use in the years ahead is in the effects rack. Yeah. Yeah. Expand all remaining in my perimeter. I just want to cram the effects rack full of Stallone lines from Rambo films and everything else I like to use. Wow. The lame duck sessions of Ben and Adam editing episodes. Yeah. I want to make sure that our new great producer is set up for success.

Yeah. And in case I'm looking at the audience right now, those watching at home, in case you think this is going to change the quality. No, sorry, Adam, that's not your camera. This one over here. All right. In case you think this is going to change the quality of the show, I got news for you. It's gonna get better. For the better, for the better.

It's gonna get funnier. It's gonna get tighter. Hosts that are stressed. Do not necessarily make the best pod. Yeah, it's gonna be great. We're gonna be loose and conversational. Yeah, it's gonna be great. We're gonna be loose and conversational. Yeah. It's gonna be good.

I love the tangents we go on. If you like the tangents up until now, buckle up. If you didn't like the tangents, this might be your signal to unsubscribe. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, the stuck with them for 400 and I punched out. That was sort of where when it started to go downhill tangent wise.

It was barely tolerable to begin with. When are we hitting syndication? I keep doing this show just to get syndication checks. They're not coming, are they? It was supposed to be 100 episodes, right? God. The problem is I moved a couple of times since then. The texture probably go into the old house.

Yeah, that mailbox money is lost in transit. God. Gonna be stuck doing this forever. That's not the worst news in the world. We only got good episodes of Star Trekter of you. Yeah. Like this one? Like maybe this one.

We will see what our opinion winds up being at the end of the episode, not the beginning. We would never divulge that this early. That people listen to the end because they really want to hear our finalists. That's right. Yeah, we look at the metrics. We have eyes on the dashboard for this show.

We know how long you're sticking around. I don't look at them. I used to. I used to look at the dashboard for this show. We know how long you're sticking around. I don't look at them. I used to. I used to look at the metrics all the time. I haven't looked in a long time. I mean, does it matter? No. Does it change how you do the show?

I don't think it does. No, it doesn't. Not for me either. The only thing that changes how I do the show is hiring a super talented and awesome producer. The only thing that changes how I do the show is what's in my glass. What are you drinking today? Oh, I'm not drinking. Oh, I mean, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm not drinking. I, I, I have an quit drinking. I'm just not drinking for the show today.

Oh, okay. I'm having a little glass of rum. Personally. Wow. Tell me more about that. Maybe I'll go get one. A littleacierino of Rumorino. Hey, is that some noobs? It is not. I wish it was that Paranoobs is good stuff. I think technically not rum, but Aguardiente de Cania. Oh, Jesus. This is a, this is Mount Gay. Nothing special.

Yeah. Grocery store rum. Do you want to go get yourself something to sip on, buddy? Yeah, yeah. I have kind of a rule, like I don't work out drunk. Right. That should be obvious to everyone. That shouldn't even be a rule, it's so obvious.

That's why you're so shredded. But I got that done earlier today. So I'm freed up to do this. I'm gonna go get a glass of rum and I'm gonna tell you which rum it is. When we come back and talk about Star Trek, Voyager season three, episode seven, Sacred Ground. Rebirth course. Unless you've got something a little bigger

in your torpedo tubes, I'm not turning around. What you wanna do when you go grab something out of the liquor cabinet is see about the rum. Pick out a bottle and go, hey, I think I'll kill this bottle, which is what I said to my wife and she's like, good. I think that rum tastes like shit. I don't remember it tasting this way. What I've got is Clarine seduce rum.

Do you recognize this bottle? Oh, wow. A pot still rum. Yeah, it looks like it's sugarcane rum. I'm guessing it is a Martinique style rum. And the different rums that are produced around the world are produced differently depending on what colonizer nation installed the distilleries in the first place.

Buddled by spirit of Haiti, for the Prince Haiti. Yeah, so the French, like the French, former French colonies have a different style. It's a lot more vegetal and herbaceous. And I would say like a little bit more of an acquired taste than an English style rum or whatever. Well, let's see how we did. I, boy, this is just a massive pour to kill this bottle.

There is five ounces of rum in this glass. Good job by you. That's the kind of thing that you want to enjoy when you're on shore leave on the Nakhani home world, Adam. It is a hot and vegetal. Yeah. It's delicious hot vegetables.

That's what it tastes like. It's like a steamed broccoli. It's nice. Yeah. All right, we'll see if it lays down a little bit. Yeah. Hey, Adam, when I went to watch the show today, Star Trek Voyager was not on the streaming platform.

I'm accustomed to watching it on. Oh, yeah, because everything is being pulled into one of the worst streaming services in existence, the Paramount Plus. Yeah. Application and streaming service. of the worst streaming services in existence, the Paramount Plus, yeah, application and streaming service. Pulled into the Nexus, as it were. Yeah.

Yeah. Good like dodging around episode to episode and that rats nest. It was all right because I have that as like an add-on for my Apple TV Plus app. So that straight up won't play in Safari for me. I've got to use Chrome to play anything in Paramount Plus. Wow, that's wild.

Yeah, that's a drag, man. That's not what you want. Janeway's log tells us that they've decided to take Shoreleave on Nekani. And it's in the Star Trek Caves of Nekani that we find BLT, Kim, Kesson, Nelix, and it's in the Star Trek Caves of Nakani that we find BLT, Kim, Kess and Nelix doing a walking tour of their crypt,

which is like, God, these people are such fucking nerds. What kind of shoreleave is this? I got to say, man, if you can go to the catacombs when you visit Paris, it's like one of the great things to do there. You can't believe it. I've been on a starship for years, breathing the stale air of said starship. It's just nothing but farts and the smell of a hospital. The one thing I want to do is go down to a planet and visit the cave.

You're saying you don't want to be topside, getting some fresh air of Nacani, give me a break. We never see the surface of this planet and from space it does not look great. It's like it wouldn't you like to feel the heat of their sun on your skin? It doesn't look that great on the surface man. Like the orbital shot to the planet make it look like a real dumb. This is Chetty Alpha 5! Nurt! I'm gonna yell for five! Nerd! I'm defending this.

What I'm not defending is Kess and Nelix getting separated from the tour group. Like two small children. Yeah, or like horny teens in a horror film, you know? Yeah, this episode really reminds us that Kess and Nelix are a thing again, in a way like with terms of endearment and stuff that we haven't gotten for a long time. Been a while. Yes, they sneak off to go check out another part of the caves and Kess is quite taken

with this gaping maw of searing blue light. Looks like a shrine. Tell you what Kessie's in this scene. A way out. Look at that. it's beautiful. Because either she goes through the Warfleetning Stargate, or it kills her, and I think either of those are acceptable outcomes. Yeah, yeah, she walks up to this thing, gets a face full of Warfleetning, and she's

K-Oed. Yeah, we get Neelix-'s eyes to theme, and after that, BLT is like on the scene with Kim, like doing that first responder triage, and she gets Kess and Nielix beamed right up to 6 Bay, pretty much directly. And Tam Elbrun is extremely pissed off about what happened in this moment.

Such loss. M.T. pain. Holiness. Tom, stop this. He's been the tour guide for the whole thing. And he's like, I told you to stick together. Yeah. I told you not to run off and jump into the war-flightening Stargate.

And this is what happens when you leave the tour group. Yeah. Kim and BLT kind of respond to his force with a force of their own, which is like, why the fuck are you keeping war-flightening stargates around here that can shock our crew people? We're gonna find out what happened here. We're gonna get to the bottom of it immediately.

Why were there no rope stanchions around the war-flightening shrine? Right. If you're letting people come down here on tours, this seems like it's kind of weird energy that they're coming at and with. It's umbridge, V. Umbridge, right? Yeah, they're like, they're like sad that their crew member is hurt, but they do have that

sort of caron I want to speak to your manager, energy of like, so what if I like broke a glass door in your store, I'm angry about this other thing. Yeah, it's like if Wesley tripped and fell into a gardened area on the Edo planet and like they responded in that moment with like torpedoes. Yeah. It is explained that the spirits are punished for going somewhere where she wasn't supposed to go, and they're being asked to leave post-haste.

Interesting credit pops up when we come up to the ship to check in in 6 bad. Did you notice who directed this episode? I did, it's B-Dunks. B-Dunks with his directoral debut. Hell yeah. This is the first thing he ever directed. Yeah. And I know that he appears in the episode, does he?

He appears in a non-speaking role. But I read some interesting things about how it came to be that B-Dunks directed this one. Enlighten me. some interesting things about how it came to be that B. Dunk's directed this one. And like me, he like many cast members have had their eye on the director's chair and like Star Trek has routinely been a great directors school for cast members who have wanted to get into that. This is something that Jonathan Freaks has talked about a lot. If one were to sit next to him on an airplane, I'm

sure he would tell you all about this. This is like one of his favorite stories to tell, like about how great Star Trek is as a director school. But how would you get him on the subject? You'd have to say something to him. No way. You'd have to be a good conversationalist. Not a chance.

You'd see him there and you'd be like, well, he's a busy man. He's an important man. He's clearly doing work for his job on this plan. Who am I to interrupt that? Who are you indeed? Ha ha ha ha. Ha ha ha.

B-Dunk's is like, look, I want to get into the rotation. I've been studying, I've been watching people. I've been talking to people like Jonathan Frakes. I bought myself one of those little eyepieces that all the cool directors have. Oh yeah, that's like the first thing you buy. I got myself a Bollex camera to just stick on the corner of my desk. Make it look like I'm a filmmaker.

I'm I think you're any censor. So BDunks is like, look man, you got to consider me. I've got the desire. What I don't know is the experience. Yeah. And I think't know is the experience. And I think I could get that here. Director is one of those jobs that is impossible to get unless you have directing experience.

Yeah, it's a real catch 22. So he chats up Rick Berman and he's like, hey, remember B-Dunks is your guy. Remember this. Berman's like like cool, whatever. Knowing that Berman assigns directors to full seasons, like the scheduled directors is like more or less in stone. Wow.

Ahead of time, well ahead of time. So B Duncan's satisfied that he's gone to the top of the mountain, made his appeal, thought the appeal was good, goes back to work. Anyway, Jonathan Frakes is assigned to this very episode. Wow. Sacred Ground. But Freaks needs to direct Star Trek First Contact. Oh.

So in a very unusual move, Jonathan Freaks pulls out, thus allowing. He feels like he's inspiring the opening shot of first contact and leaving a seat open. Right. For one Robert Duncan McNeil. And so this is the fucked up part. B-Dunks is like at a convention or something. Like doing convention shit. He gets an emergency call from his wife.

He's like B-Dunks. That's what they call each other. That's what she calls him. I had a conversation with somebody that knows Robert Duncan McNeil personally, and he occasionally referred to his friend Bobby McNeil, and it took me a second to like, do the math on who he was talking about,

and then I was like, well, why would you want to say that many syllables? So his wife at the time is like, hey, emergency call, online one from Rick Berman. And he's like, oh shit, I'm getting fired. This fucking sucks. Turns out it was Berman telling him, you got the deal, you're gonna direct an episode

and that episode is two weeks from now. Oh. So BDUX goes from thinking that he's prepared to direct an episode to, for most season directors, being unprepared to direct an episode that is happening in two weeks time from that moment. Yeah, I'm such a slow reader. It probably take me like a month just to get through a shooting script. Right. So in addition to his other duties on the show, he is reviewing the script and creating a shot list and doing all the things you need to do in order to pre-direct an episode.

And, I mean, not to cut to the end, but a super-abely directed episode, especially given its subject matter. Yeah. It really makes the case for him as a director. Yeah. And it's a heavy script. It's no light lift. No. In Six Bay, they learn that Kess is basically in a coma,

but it's like all of the readings that the doc is getting don't line up with what is presenting physically. And it just doesn't make any sense. Nelix is in full bedside panicking partner mode. And Janeway has a meeting with the head of state guy that was giving the tour before, who explains, like, hey, listen, like there's not really much I can do. I'm a political guy.

This is a planet that has a really strong separation of church and state and the religious community that controls access to the shrine are like super offended by what happened. They're really mad that Kess left the tour group and wandered off on her own into the holy of holies. Like that shrine is like not really something that outsiders are allowed into. So the fact that she's been punished has satisfied them and I don't have any like influence over it. So sorry to say, a little friend is gonna die and there's nothing anyone can do about it.

They've asked me to express their sympathies for your loss. Can this still alive? There's something so disturbing, slash disgusting about the sanctumony of someone who works on a faith-based bureaucracy Like hey, I can't do anything about this Because you just don't understand our customs and traditions And that's why you can't do the thing that you need to do based on anything else and

Tam Elbrin really changes his stripes later on in the episode I found him particularly off-putting early on in his defense of the Warfleetening Arch in the face of a medical emergency. And here is where that is crystallized. I've been empowered basically to have a job title that is fangless in any circumstance, except in apologizing. So, like, oh, it's so frustrating to watch him operate here. And you can see how frustrated Janeway becomes

when faced with this. It really makes her rip shit. And Janeway and the doctors, like parallel anger in this episode, is really powerful because the doctor is like so pissed off that he can't figure out how to fix this. And so pissed off that the Nakani like won't even share tips. Like nobody even wants to like give them a clue. Yeah.

What Janeway tells the doc is that the monks can go up to this arch without getting shocked. Yeah, there are people that bathe themselves in the war-flightening and come away just fine. Wouldn't you have investigated their robes? Like I thought immediately I was like, you got to get your hands on one of those robes. Oh yeah, that fairytale. Fairytale robes. Yeah. Usually this is a bad thing in medical settings, but Neelix has been doing a bit of his own

research about how to deal with this condition. And there may be some horse dewormer. You're unfamiliar with the doc. I've read one of the Nikoni's old fairy tales, and it seems to indicate a course of treatment involving the captain also exposing herself to the war flight thing. I don't like, well, we don't have any other ideas. So fairy tale treatment, it is.

And Tam Elbrun is fucking pumped about this. He's like, you read our weird fairy tales and you'd like to do fairy tale? Perhaps a fucking loutely. Yeah. He's way more excited than Chicoate because when when Janeway tells Chicoate about her plan, Chicoate is like, I'm actually the only one permitted to have religious vanity on the ship. And you're going fully born again. The Connie is kind of creeping me out. Yeah.

Like, I've got a welllished pro-bindle worldview. This makes me feel really uneasy. Some kind of physiological change, maybe. This episode made me think that like we've talked a lot about like what it would be like if Chico-te had been made the captain of the ship or if Janeway was left behind or killed and that job reverted to Chico Tay. I'm starting to think that that is Chico Tay's number one fear in life is like, I have to do everything in my power not to have to be the captain of this fucking ship.

In many ways, he's vice president, you know? Yeah, it's such a chill job. Like he doesn't like the buck doesn't stop with him. He gets to offer his opinion. He can be like forceful with it if he feels really passionately about it. But for the most part, the shit flows uphill. We've been in this place a couple of times recently in the last few episodes. Is this Chicoete's quarters? Or is this just an office space that he keeps on the ship? He has, this is referred to in this episode as Chicoete's office.

I kind of love that. Yeah, yeah. There's coffee in Chicoete's office. I think it's fucked up though that he has a window in his office and BLT doesn't in her quarters. That's messed up. Maybe she'll propose a trade at some point. Yeah. That's messed up. Maybe she'll propose a trade at some point.

Yeah. So, Tam Elbrin, FaceTime's Janeway, toward the end of this meeting, and he said the monks have approved the plan. Great news. And this is also the moment in the episode where Tam himself is totally jacked about the possibility of saving Kez's life, even though moments ago, he was like, this is just what the spirits wanted. They wanted to murder Kez, and my hands are tied. So they're gonna send the captain down with like the nano-blood of a recent James Bond film. Now you may feel a small,

laced prick where the doctor can monitor her vitals the entire time she's gone. And a sub-dermal computer chip so you can tap her arm like a combat and instantly beam out of there if the situation gets too hairy. Hey, you know what would be great? That all the time. Is there any reason that there's a half-life on that? Just leave it in.

Yeah, absolutely. But the idea is like, whatever Janeway has to do to prepare for the ritual, whatever you do to get ready to do shrine, will reveal a way to protect yourself from the effects of the war frightening and therefore may indicate a path to treating Kess because at this point, the EMH has zero ideas about how to proceed, and Kess only gets worse by the day.

So Janeway turns down the dust buster. Yeah. She gets all the sub-dermal gear that she wants, but you can't put a dust buster under your skin yet. So Kim beams her down, and that's the last time we see Kim this episode basically. Kim on the sideline for sure. In the caves, Janeway materializes and everyone kind of freezes around. It's like she beams into Seattle, like just on any blog. A pretty chilly welcome for somebody that, you know, like, Tam Elbrun led her to believe

that everybody was really jazzed about this idea. So it is not exactly- That we get more Tam. Yeah. But Tam's not religious. No, in secular. And so Janeway starts tricordering and walks over to a lady who is doing a bit of maintenance on a flickering

wall sconce in the Star Trek cave. I don't suppose you know anything about Chromo dynamic lights. No, not really. You have one of these in your house? I've got a recessed can light situation on this very level of my home and I just cannot get the buzz out of it. Oh man. That would drive me crazy.

It's a buzzy forever. Yeah, I got to go in there. I got to get in those guts you don't want to buzz in your can yeah it's gotta be a fluorescent then no it's an LED can light whoa that I installed replacing what was in there before and it's made for dimming but it's buzzing on the dimmer what the fuck you gotta want to make sure you purchase dimmable lighting for all your home renovations so you don't get the buzz. That tends to turn my impression into a Christopher walkin'.

Oh no! Because the buzz can make you crazy. It makes you crazy. No one can stand it. The buzzing, it never ends. It's surprisingly good dancer. You could replace the lights over and over. If the buzzing remains, you better off to selling the house.

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pockets it and says, cool, this is mine now. Yeah, you're not gonna need it anymore. And it dawns on Janeway that this is her spiritual guide or guru or et cetera, et cetera. And the lady's like, yeah, you can call me whatever you want. Just don't call me late for dinner. Well, let's go anoint you and get you ready to do shrine.

You watch the Rick Steve special on going to Nikani. This is why he always recommends wearing your tricorder in a fanny pack inside your belt. Right. Yeah. Under the shirt thing that's super humiliating when your dad gets out the travelers checks. Bearing his furry belly to the fucking hotel clerk. That's the part that Rick Steves never talks about. He's like, yeah, these are totally useful and totally unpick pocketable. But I'd like to see you, Rick Steves, fucking whip it out in the lobby of a hotel and not be ashamed of yourself in that moment.

Rick Steves did not tell Janeway that she was going to have to get fully nude in this shrine visit. It seems like Janeway was cooler about getting nude than she was about someone touching her bun. Yeah. Yeah. She's been stripped down to her birthday suit. She's getting like face paint put on her by some accolades here. This is like the part of the party in between the three and four a.m. hour. We're like, you're staying for it or you're leaving at this moment. Yeah. It's getting weird, guys. This is like the third location of the night and you don't know who owns this apartment. Yeah. And you know like three of the people at this party. Yeah. Starting to wonder like if it's so late that I wind up needing to sleep here,

what is that going to entail? And it's like pre-Uber and lift. So like, yeah. What do you do? There's no way you're getting home if you don't leave now. But also, you might wanna see how this unfolds. But also, it's college. So there may be some exciting experimentation happening. Very shortly. I think that the thing that would put your mind at ease in a situation like that would be if you were led into another room

and Estelle Harris was hanging out in there. That was delighted by this moment. So good. It looks like my mother. You get her so briefly here, I'm like, oh, bring her back. I know. Because the promise is,

Janeway's gonna have to be in this room for a very long time. Oh, it's been as long as we can remember. And this is something she takes great umbrage with. So much umbrage that she bangs on the door to get out of there. This scene is sort of a, like, she's like asking them like, how long are you guys all waiting for the ritual too? And they're like, yeah, we've been here for,

I mean, they indicate that they've basically been there forever. And she realizes that this is sort of a combination of Sartre meet Seinfeld. It's no exit with a still Harris and Captain Janeway for some reason. You have a take of philosophy class and you just, you just don't understand it. Has anyone ever done this? These existentialists who don't know if they exist? Who are these people? What if there exists? Who are these people?

I was so disappointed like she moves on to the next level and it definitely feels like levels as Janeways moving through this environment, right? As she moves along home through this environment. I'll never end! The guide is on the other side of the door. Janeways like, I mean no disrespect, but who the fuck are these old? Yeah. The next level is sort of the art gallery at a mid-tier liberal arts college in a small town in New England. Uh-huh. Specificity makes comedy, Ben. The next challenge is like look at this rock, tell me what you see. And it's a real strain.

And we cut up to six Bay where the doctor is like talking about symptoms. And I totally thought he was talking about Cass initially because he just says she's going through this, this, and this, and Chico Tez all worried. And then you realize that what he's talking about is what the captain is going through. What you wanna do is a bunch of stretching

to make sure the lactic acid moves out of your muscles, which is the thing that causes the pain after a workout. This is what Janeway hasn't done. And as you get older, it becomes more and more important. Janeway has made to hold this stone out in front of her for a very long time. And then we like smash cut to her finger painting and like it's sort of a freeform painting exercise where Nobody's telling her what to paint. It's kind of like the non-neudity scenes of an episode of real sex on HBO Like that's that's the vibe of this. Yeah, yeah rock climbing finger painting

Feets of strength rock climbing, finger painting, and a feats of strength. Oh, now this guy's smashing his balls. Yeah, like, I'm 11, I just want to see some boobs. Yeah. That's not what I signed up for. Come on, let's fast forward. Oh, Tivo doesn't exist yet.

Fuck. There's like 10 lines from this episode that are going to make the new mysterious Twitter feed greatest gen out of context. I saw that Twitter feed. I'm excited about that. I'm excited and fearful.

There's like the sequence of her trying to scale a cliff and barely hanging on and then we get back into the present where it is revealed that all of these challenges have been occurring while she's holding the stone, which is now glowing. We can pick it that no gathering burn. We're sort of outside of time in a way and staring at the rock maybe is causing her to trip or it's just the fatigue that's causing her to trip, but the doc in Six Bay is talking to Nilex, and he's like, yeah, there's a buildup of enzymes

that does sort of lead me to believe that maybe something about this ritual primes the body in some way that the presence of certain chemical compounds that are generated by this kind of stress would protect you from something about the field. We still don't know anything about the field and the Nakani won't tell us anything about it. Does the first piece of data that allows me even to formulate a hypothesis?

I mean, it would be great if we could study the robes, for instance. Right. Like, if we could only study the robes, maybe that would be the key to this whole thing. Nielix is going through that kind of like survivor's guilty. I wish it was me not her stuff. And the doctors like shut the fuck up, Nelix. You didn't say anything like this when they killed two fix. Get out of here.

Mr. Nelix, you're wallowing. I'll have to ask you to stop. But also goes right back into a support role, which I kind of got the bends from because Neelix is wallowing, and then the doc fucking smashes his nuts for wallowing. And then comes over and gives him like what feels like very sincere support. And it made me not believe this scene in a weird way. Like, I think this is an extremely difficult episode

to direct and cut together because it's so magical that it made me disbelieve moments like this where I'm like, well, why is the doctor being so nice to Nelix? Like, this isn't in his programming, he's never like this. So it planted the seed of doubt which I don't think was intentional. Or maybe it was.

Yeah, I didn't quite get that. I thought it was like a, the doctor's like, shit, like I need this guy out of here, but like I need to give him something, I need to give him a beat to step two. So this is like the fastest way for me to clear the six space so that I can get back to work. Right.

Yeah, like only under duress with the doctor have that good of bedside manner, I feel like. I love that read to work. Right. Right. But yeah, like only under duress would the doctor have that good of bedside manner. I feel like. I love that read. Like that's the manipulation. He turns nice just to make Neelix less of a problem. Like self-preservation nice. Yeah, exactly.

My kind of nice when I'm out in public. Sure. Down in the liberal arts college, art gallery, Janeway has finished with holding the stone and starting to look a little one. The spiritual guide lady gives her some tea to drink and, you know, Janeway is like, come on, you gotta let me complete this ritual. If the guide was good at her job, she'd lead Janeway into maybe like a short five minute stretch. Yeah. Just to get the lactic acid out.

Right. If you're like, you know, attending a gym because it's January and you're trying to get back in shape or something and the personal trainer at that gym is not guiding you through a calisthenics routine. Get the hell out of there. That person is as reliable as this spiritual guide. But just to say they will encourage you to put your arm

in a basket with a snake in it. Which in the box? Hey. And then bury you alive in a kind of mecca grave situation and shut the lid on top of you. Maybe that's the kind of personal trainer you want. We're not here to judge. I don't know what CrossFit is.

That could be CrossFit. Is that CrossFit? That CrossFit is. Maybe that's why it inspires such passionate, cult-like, utterance from its members. You push a giant tire into an open coffin, and then you jump in and have the lid closed on top of you. That's CrossFit.

That's what it is. Coffee-black, make it yourself. And I know you see this as an opportunity to That's what it is. Coffee Black, make it yourself. And I know you see this as an opportunity to grow. Make it yourself. Back in Six Bay, we get a label on the amount of time that's passed, which I was grateful to get. Three days is how long Janeway's been under. It's a lot of days.

It's an extremely long CrossFit exercise she's got going. Yeah. The doc, though, does not find this to be cause for concern. The doc says, hey, vitals are stable, even the lactic acid, not a problem right now. But Chicoate is in his face, like speculating wildly about what might be going on down there. And he's like, look, if she's tripping balls, she's not going to hit her personal transporter.

Right. If she is not of sound mind, we know she's not of sound body, but if she's not of sound, like, listen man, I have a pro ritual bias, I'm into this. Hey, I think her body's good, Ben, what are you saying? I think that this is just Chico Te, fighting like hell, not to have to be the captain.

Chico Te is the only one permitted to take psychedelics on the ship. And I think he's taking great umbraage with the idea that anyone else would. Yeah, like this is cultural appropriation. I find it to be very ugly. You know, it's okay if you celebrate my culture, but just taking it as your own is not cool. I've never tripped the way Janeway is because she wakes up on this beach. It's beautiful, calming, and the guides there. The guides are like, hey, nothing matters. Nothing matters, so you don't need to care, just let go.

And Janeway is like, all right, this is the moment, right? I need to make the request. I need to ask for the spirits to heal my guests. I'm at the end of this spiritual journey. I'm gonna be talking to the ancient spirits that control this energy. Welcome to Lawyer Janeway. She cites the president of the Fairy Tale of King Nevin.

It's crazy, like one of the spirits is known for never having spoken in court for decades. And somehow they're canoded some sort of genius reputation. Yeah. When really they had to do zero work at all like for 30 years. Just quite cool. Despite the fact that it's a incredibly accused spirit

of abuse of spirit power and. Yeah, this is a spirit that stuck up hub on a co-workers soda can. What a fucking awful spirit. Fuck that spirit. I mean, it sounds like it works, right? Everything visually. The visual language is like, she did it.

She made the appeal and the guides like, cool. They heard you. You have everything you need because you didn't need any of this. The Schwarzenegger, you know, it's in you. She pulls her up out of the techno sarcophagus and Janeway is looking really one at this point. I really do not like this room, but it's working. You're totally right.

It is, it's not sweet in any way. Yeah, it's, it is a savory room. It's a funky room. But it's not like a petuga in that like petuga's funky, but I still appreciate it's mezcal notes. This is almost like if you told me, I would not guess that this is even wrong. I think that the process, it's the same, like it's made out of sugar cane, but like they leave a lot more of the like husk on or something like that. I'm not the right person to ask, I'm not an expert, but it's like, the process is really

different from Spanish style or English style rum. Would you ever mix this with anything? Yeah, absolutely. Like a soda, probably. Yeah, I used to get a French Mai Thai at my favorite restaurant in Greenpoint, which sadly is no longer. But was it a very loud restaurant? What would you like to order?

He robbed your appetizers. Ordering a mitre with fluffy tropical peeling to everyone flavours is a war crime. This one a more acquired taste. Did everyone save room for dessert? Why are they? Did everyone save room for dessert? So Janeway goes back with the assurance from her spiritual guide that that was all meaningless. That didn't, she didn't actually need to do any of that stuff.

She had the answer, she needed all the time. She has given back her uniform and tricorder and be... It's really like end of a spa day vibes. Yeah, right. All right, here's all your shit. I hope you didn't catch Legionnaires' disease from this or whatever. Just some kind of foot fungus.

Unvoided her, like things seem great. And I'm looking at the time, I'm like, there's 15 minutes left. The doc is like, cool, we got everything we need from your experience. I'm going to plant it in the cas. Yeah. Who is still on the slab, but not one at all? No. No, they put a clip show device on her forehead and the doc is like kind of cracking

his knuckles. This is going to be done in no time. Let's letter rip. Yeah, and then this is like the scene you get in so many medical dramas, the hope dashed almost immediately, and a neilix there to just fly in the ointment this entire situation. What does that mean? What? They thought that that toxin that was building up in Janeway from all the stress was the key. But it turns out this treatment is absolute dog shit.

Using a fairy tale to guide your medical practice is, it turns out a poor idea. Yeah, it turns out that their gods did not give them all of the imperviousness they needed to confront this illness. And so Janeway goes to confront the guide about this bullshit. And the guide was like, I told you, basically, you didn't need any of this and you wouldn't have taken it if we had given it to you. We gave you what you wanted. And what you wanted was this linear series of tests. You came down here demanding to be taken on a spiritual journey. And so we gave you a

spiritual journey. And the meaninglessness of it was intentional. It was there to show you that it was meaningless. Right. So they get Janeway back in her karate key to try again. And this time not they washed washed the robe though, right? I don't think that's the same robe that she wore earlier for three days straight, buried alive. That's the smell of justice. Smells like hot dogs. I sure hope so.

And she is let back into the search room, the running curb your enthusiasm waiting room joke. You're just using this waiting room to wait. And she has a conversation with these olds and it turns out that these olds may in fact be the spirit guides. I found this episode kind of tight up until this moment, but this scene is the scene of the episode. It's the centerpiece of the whole thing.

Really tied the room together, did it not? Because this argument between the value of faith and science and Janeway's inflexibility and her beliefs seen as both a strength and a weakness is really interesting shit. And it's articulated in a way that doesn't turn me off as an atheist. Right. Like I'm totally here for all of it because I like arguing this stuff. And it is posing interesting questions and reposing many interesting questions that you didn't even realize were being posed initially throughout the earlier parts of the episode. And then coming to

interesting and challenging conclusions, like some of the conclusions that are come to in the scene are slightly uncomfortable for me, but I think that discomfort comes from how compelling they are. Right, right. And the conclusion of this scene doesn't give you the answers. It's not sanctimonious. It does not tie everything in a nice bow. There seems to be an understanding there that is unsaid.

And I think that's crucial for as much as is said in the scene, the conclusions of the scene are not articulated. The conclusion that Janeway makes, though, that we extrapolate from her actions is that she needs to make a leap of faith. She needs to walk into the same field, the same shrine that is in the process of killing Kess, a sort of a leap of faith. As a surrender of her beliefs are that given a long enough timeline, they can ascertain a mechanism whereby that can be safely entered. And therefore, we just need to do the science and do it until we're reasonably certain of the way forward. And what the spirit guides have persuaded her to try is just to go try. So Janeway radio's up to Chicoate and she's like, come down here with Kess and make sure she's laying

on an upholstered storage bench you'd find under a big bay window. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha It doesn't look like the bio beds in six bay. Why didn't they have to coat a beam down with Kess in his arms? And then he could give her over to Janeway. I think that would have been such a powerful image. Yeah. It's a weird bed. It's a little silly with her laying on that bench.

Yeah. It's got like some weird like structure that you can just see hinted at. Yeah. Also. Yeah. Yeah. This is, that's not the best part of this episode for sure.

One thing that does look great in this episode is the shrine itself. I thought it looked awesome. And for a build once and using one episode thing, absolutely. And Janeway has a brief conversation with Neilixta Cote to persuade them that like, I am not doing this under duress, I'm not doing this because I've lost my mind as part of these rights and rituals. I'm doing this because I believe that this is the way to save Kess. Neelix expresses the idea that like he doesn't want

to lose the captain also if they are potentially running that risk, but the captain feels like that the running the risk itself is like part of how they're gonna save her. Cuckoo. One, two, one, one, make it, make it yourself. We are barely into the third season of this show, and I can think clearly of a handful of moments where Picard asked his crew to trust him on something that the crew was not able to understand in that moment. I'm thinking specifically of all good things in the end,

which was a ask made based on history, unlike interpersonal history. I'm thinking of that moment in early season TNG when Picard took over the ship and I think it was that episode where no one has gone before where when Picard took over the ship. And I think it was that episode where no one has gone before, where he like, he took the ship. Yeah, yeah. And there were a few other, oh, uh, Star Trek first contact also, like where he's ordering people to defend the ship

in the face of the board, even though it was a suicide mission. Right. Those are moments in the show where like that were grounded in more time. Yeah. And if there was a moment in this episode that clanged for me, it was that the show makes you believe

that Janeway has earned the ability to ask Chico Te to let her do it, to trust her. And I'm not sure if I believe. I wanted to believe this so bad. Yeah. And I just didn't believe Chico Te and Nielix would allow her to do this. When she clearly she was tripping balls, and clearly they haven't been together long enough

for them to take Janeway's word for this. I believe it more for Chicoete than I do Nielix, because I think that this kind of plays into his characters, you know, willingness to leave things in the world that to be matters of faith. Yeah. Neelix, maybe less so, but also Neelix is more usually cowed as a character.

Right. Yeah. But yeah, there's a moment where Janeway has spoken to them each about this and then starts walking past Jakota to go get Kess and I and i was like wait she's already going to grab cast yeah i thought so much about how you need to get the physicality of this moment right yeah because you can't really show Janeway pick up cast's body from the bench because that's awkward yeah because anytime anyone picks up anyone else there's always that adjustment of like the you get the pick up and then you got to like whoah like

Get them up there. Yeah, and you can't have Janeway like fireman carry cast Because that would look weird. Well that who is kind of the the move when Janeway steps into the shrine Yeah, that's where they save it and And I think that's the right moment, but you can't, on the pickup. And the, uh, works, Adam. Yeah. Yeah, the war-flatting shocks them both. Kess opens her eyes and is, and is back.

Janeway looks down at her. The Kess is open to rise. Ha, ha, ha, ha.. Pail blue cut eyes. The button on the episode is a little moment in Six Bay where Doc Hollow Day explains something something. I can't get with this rum, dude. God, it could lay down forever. I made a mistake.

I'm sorry. I made a mistake. Sorry. I'm sorry, dude. I didn't mean to inspire you to drink something you didn't like. No, I mean, I'm glad I killed it. I have no idea how we got through an entire bottle. I think I just like sweet rum, but the noobs you got me isn't necessarily sweet and I like it. Yeah, that's a funky rum. You know, we'll find you a rum you love, buddy. Thanks, man. I'm sure there's a captain on it. There's a conversation early in the episode between Chico Tei and the captain, where Chico Tei describes that there's like this kind of moment of disappointment when his mother explained

some of the scientific understanding of like what goes on when you do a vision quest. In a way I felt disappointed. Some of the mystery was gone. This suggestion that this is something that Shikote's parents argued about was so present here and unregarded like we've seen his dad before. And his dad is like a mega spiritual super duper spiritual. And to hear that his mom might have been sciencey is an interesting take. And that scene is very much evoked in this button because the doctor is explaining a sciencey

explanation for why Janeway was able to save Kess using the strategy that she did. The metabolic treatment I administered protected you against the full impact of exposure to the field when the captain took you through from his perspective It was just dumb luck that it worked, but it worked because xyz and you can see it wash over Janeway's face a little bit of Disappointment that there was in fact a scientific Explanation for it. Yeah, I mean she's just somewhere else in this scene in a way you just never see Janeway. Yeah, and mean, she's just somewhere else in this scene. In a way you just never see Janeway. Yeah. And I love how we kind of move in on her with the camera.

Yeah, she just gets like a little beat, like standing by the door by herself before she walks out. I don't feel like the camera moves very dynamically in this episode before this moment. And then it really makes itself known when it does. Really strong ending to an episode but did you like the episode overall at him? I really did and I kind of watched it with the scrutiny of someone who wanted to figure out how a B-Dunk's would direct it. And I was really delighted with what I saw and experience.

Like I feel like, God, if I were him and I were reading the script, I would be terrified by this as a first time director. Like this does not seem easy on the page at all and the chances of getting the Vision Quest aspects of it fucked up. Yeah, like Star Trek has occasionally blown shit like this before. I thought so many times in this episode about how much more successful this was than like half of the profit experiences in DS9. And that's what I mean when I talk about Star Trek blowing spiritual experiences are so many of those profit experiences from DS9.

This fucking ruled. It's like a well written episode. It's not flawlessly directed, but it's capably directed. Yeah. I thought it was a really strong app. One of the things I read about the production of this episode was how, like, when an actor directs other actors, it's a different vibe. Right. And how much everyone appreciated what B Dunks brought to that relationship was evident with what we see. But I also want to call attention to a strong guest star or

group of guest stars can really bail you out of a story that could be just on the edge of an episode that could be on the line of being good or bad. And the magistrate was was Tam Elbrim like a fun bit of casting there. But all of the olds in that room, as well as the guide, all of their line reads felt like they came from a different show. And some, and on other episodes of the greatest generation, I would call that out as being a flaw. Like, like, this is a clang and it's not working.

But there was something about their reads that was so different that just radiated a kind of like spiritual warmth that I really loved and enjoyed and they were funny. And Star Trek doesn't do funny very well very often. And I mean, that's what you get with an Estelle Harris. Like every time she just can't help it, she's great. But the woman who played the guide was brilliant. Yeah, she was really good. The two old men were brilliant.

I think the most memorable part of this show was that was the group of guest stars here. And I really loved every scene with them. And I think that was a reason to like this episode for sure. Yeah, it was kind of a surprising experience. Like being buried alive in a crossfit workout Do you want to see if we have any surprising priority one messages in the inbox at them? Oh, yeah, they always surprise Priority one message from star fleet coming in on secured channel

Need a supplement on top of the income supplement Yeah, it's extra the interest alone could be enough to buy this ship. Ben our first priority one message is from Ken. It's to Ben and Adam. That message goes like this. Over the years, your podcasts have entertained me immensely. And recently, have helped me keep saying through a difficult time. Thank you for all the happiness and joy you've put into the world. Hug your loved ones while you can.

Oh Ken, gonna go hug my loved ones immediately after this. Yeah, I will definitely do that Ken. Sorry you've been going through a patch and hope you have retained your sanity in some pretty insane times. Yeah, let's love. Our next priority one message is from Captain Jake of the Uxbridge Shimoto ship, Defested. And it is to Ben, Slash, and Slash, or Slash, Adam, Slash, and Slash, or Slash, Danny. Slash, and Slash, or Slash, Bree, slash An, slash Or, slash Danny, slash An, slash Or, slash Bree, slash An, slash Or, slash Jeremiah, slash An, slash Or the other Kavanaugh folks. So this is from Defested to the folks that were in that Kavanaugh at Star Trek Las Vegas

all those months ago. Oh my God, it was so long ago. I was. The message goes like this. It's the first workday since STLV, and I'm wondering when the ice in my crotch will melt. Hashtag Ice Crotch Challenge. Hashtag STLV 2021. Hashtag greatest gencon 2017.

Hashtag Fuck Resveem. Hashtag Ashtag Ashtag Asht hashtag adem our pranaka hashtag kabanapagota wow I mean defested was there and I remember along with everyone else we all remember what defested did yeah I don't never never leave my memory seared quality hangs at STLV. Yeah. And I think of them fondly. What a nice day that was. It was a real nice one. Wow. Well, if you'd like to leave a impenetrable specific priority one message or get the word out about a project you've got going on, just give us an idea of the temperature of your janitors, I guess.

You can do all of those things by going to MaximumFun.org slash JemboTron and setting up a P1. We really appreciate them. You know, probably easy to get along with most of the time. But I don't like bullets, I don't like friends, and I don't like you. Hey, Ar. Zepin, did you find yourself a drunk Shemota? Drunk Shemota! I mean, I was so taken with these guest stars,

I just kind of want to take my Shemota, pie, and divide it up. Like, the two old men, Estelle Harris, and the guide. Wow. I loved all of them. They were so great. I want to give a quarter slice, one quarter portion to each of those four guest stars.

Just like some of my favorite guest star performances in Star Trek in a very, very long time. Like just enthusiastic love for all of them in this episode. Like really surprising, really great. A salad work by them, but my Shimmota is a different person. This is a time-code Shimmota Adam, if you go to four minutes and... Well, I better open up Chrome for some reason.

And then log into the Paramount Plus and then click on Voyager. And then what I need to do is click on Menu because it's going to play the next episode of Star Trek Voyager. And I mean, I can't do that because I'm trying to watch this episode we're talking about. It's like trying to get some rations out of Uncar Plut. It's very difficult. I also think it's weird that that like bloomp, bloomp, bloomp, bloomp, the CBS logo with how the logo and the letters line up. Yeah. They don't line up with the bloomp,

like the music tag. In theory. Like the NBC is like boom, boom, boom, like it lines up with the letters and the peacock and everything. But CBS is like, no, it's whatever, just make the letters show up totally irrespective of when the tone drops. Yeah, no one cares about this. They're going to stop giving us screeners of Star Trek Discovery.

We have notes, it doesn't mean we hate them. All right, we want them to be better. Yeah. All right. I'm sure we want them to be better. Yeah. All right. If you I'm sure they want us to be better, you can get a look at this guy at four minutes and 26 seconds into the episode. I think I know who you're talking about. So this is when the Magistrate as played by Tam Elbrun. Yep. God, damn it. He was almost my pain. Is a scolding the star fleets for what happened with Cass the the munk over his left shoulder at the right side of the frame is more looking like he does not look mad.

He more looks like a kid who stole cookies who is watching another kid who got caught with his hand in the cookie jar, getting punished. Like, I feel like this guy did something fucked up with the shrine and it's just, is more glad that he's not the one getting chewed out by Tam Elburn right now. I mean, I get how this happens. Your head's in the monitor.

Like you're looking for Tam Elburn's performance, not necessarily keeping this guy in mind, but like your eye is drawn to this expression. And this is not the expression you're going for. Not the expression he should be making. The other extra on the other side, nailing it, this one guy. Perfect. Not giving the right energy in this.

I feel like the other extra should in between takes kind of elbow with the other extra and feel like, like dude you're ruining you are killing me right now. Yeah come on man. Yeah you're making all extras look bad. That is a great Shimoda and someone I definitely remember from this moment. Well Adam why don't you head over to god.biz slash game and I will tell you about our next episode here on the show, if I can find a way to find a cap within the Paramount Plus interface. Oh yeah, here we go. The next episode is season three, episode eight, futures end, part one. Oh, both Voyager and a 29th century Federation time ship, the Ion, are pulled back in time to Earth in the late 20th century. Doc, you tell them you made a time ship out of a federation

starship? Yeah, you heard right. All right, Ben. Well, I'm so glad the die is in my hands. I only seem to roll for tub. You're required to learn as you play. Roll. Currently, the runabout is on square 30. Yeah. It's the last square of the third row. We're gonna see what we get. Up in this fourth row, after I roll this die. Roll it, baby. Tula! Did I win?

Then I've rolled a two, which puts us on square 32. It's a regular rolled episode. It looks like it's in the wash from a space butthole. Oh yeah. But that's not gonna affect us. Yeah, that just goes right back. It's a regular rolled up by us. Mm-hmm.

Yeah. Nice roll, Adam. I feel like we've achieved escape velocity from that second row, which really plagued us for a. Yeah. Nice roll, Adam. I feel like we've achieved escape velocity from that second row, which really plagued us for a long time. Yeah, we are, we're not far away from a square which would take us up to the second to the last row. Yeah. That would be wild. Wild stuff. I'm really excited for next week's regular old episode in the meantime. This show is now produced by Wendy Pretty and hosted by you and me. You can follow the greatest generation at greatest track on Instagram and Twitter where Bill Tilly the card daddy runs our social media. You can also

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Go get yourself signed up and check that stuff out. We got to thank Adam Rekusia for the original music that you hear on the program and dark material for the Picard song. The Goose. The Goose. The Goose. Still listens to the show. He texted us as we were recording saying how much he was enjoying it. Oh really? I didn't see that. Yeah, he's a famous YouTube man and he still finds the time to listen to our show. He probably saw that my phone does not accept text messages when he texted us. Yeah. Which for some reason has been plaguing me for weeks now.

He got to get that fixed. I don't know what's going on. I'm no longer believing you're not getting my texts. No, my buddy was trying to call me yesterday and he was like, it goes straight to voicemail. That is bad. It's fucked up. It's not how business gets done. No.

You're a boss right now. You're supposed to be getting phone calls. I know. I know. It sucks. Anyways, we gotta thank all of those people and... Hey, thank you, Ben. 400 episodes. Hey. It's unbelievable. Hey, thank you, Ben, 400 episodes.

Hey. It's unbelievable. Like, it is sincerely unbelievable to say that, but it is not unbelievable to say how much fun it's been to do with you. So thanks for being such a great friend and co-host for this whole silly thing. Yeah, man, we had a really tough 2021, both professionally

and in our personal lives and this time that we get to spend together making this project has been something that has always been something I look forward to doing throughout that entire thing. And getting to be your comedy partner is one of the great privileges that I've ever experienced, so thank you for 400 great ups, man. Here's to maybe a hundred more. Yeah. Ha, ha, ha, ha.

That way we'll be back at you next week. There's another great episode of Star Trek Voyager and an episode of the greatest generation Voyager where two guys are really trying to keep a lid on how big of a crush they have on Sarah Silverman probably. What? Okay. Make it sound. Make it sound. Maximumfun.org.

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