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Episode Date: February 7, 2023

Faye Carruthers, Suzanne Wrack, Robyn Cowen and Marva Kreel round up a busy transfer window – and a big weekend of WSL action...

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Starting point is 00:00:00 This is The Guardian. Without insurance, your assets are at risk from major financial losses, data breaches, and natural disasters. Get customized coverage today starting at $19 per month at zensurance.com. Be protected. Be Zen. Hello, I'm Faye Carruthers and welcome to the Guardian Women's Football Weekly. Who knew the significance of two goalless draws on the WSL title race? And from two teams who brought us such drama on deadline day. Chelsea are the benefactors of Arsenal and Manchester United dropping points, while Liverpool pull away from the relegation places.
Starting point is 00:01:02 It felt like a defining weekend in the WSL and in the Championship. We'll discuss all that, plus look ahead to the Champions League draw, and that's today's Guardian Women's Football Weekly. Well, what a panel we have today. Susie Rack, I feel like I've seen you more in the past two weeks than I have my own husband. Same, same. My husband's working shifts, so I also feel like I've seen you more than I've seen him. Oh, well, it's been a good two weeks then, hasn't it? For both of us.
Starting point is 00:01:34 Robin Cowan, it feels like an age since I've seen you. How are you? Ages. Yeah, all good, you know, alive and sort of kicking. All good. I mean, that's two things to bounce alive and sort of kicking, all good. I mean, that's two things to bounce up and down and think that you are successful, I would say. Exactly. And just about kicking. And Marva Creel, an Everton fan with a smile on their face. That is a rare thing to see. How are you? Good. Yeah, definitely rare, especially in both men's and women's this weekend.
Starting point is 00:02:06 So, yeah, happy for once. Absolutely. Right. What an end to the transfer window we had. And the narrative to go straight from deadline day into Arsenal and Manchester United dropping points. Couldn't write that. We'll start with looking at that attempt to sign Alessia Russo before talking about whether it affected both teams. Susie, Jonas Eidevaard said after last week's FA Cup game against Leeds that Arsenal were pushing hard to get a striker. I mean, they certainly pushed hard, but no success ultimately. What did you make of their attempts to bring both Russo and Signe Bruun to the club? I mean, desperate is the word, isn't it? Like, I get it.
Starting point is 00:02:47 Particularly Rousseau, like, I get it. I think they will definitely go in for her in the summer, which would be a wise thing to do, as would every club in the world be looking at a striker of her quality being out of contract. But I know they were going after other players earlier in the window, like Sabine, Chloe Lacasse, players like that. But to sort of launch such a late bid for Rousseau,
Starting point is 00:03:11 I mean, I think it's a big mistake. I mean, I talked about it being disruptive, both to United and to Arsenal. And maybe we've seen that almost instantly in the fact that both teams dropped points uh this weekend but I think for the bigger thing is that they haven't got a striker which like a like real standout world-class striker in the window which is a big problem I mean the market is tiny for for a player of that quality in January so that's a really tough ask but they also have told the world that they have quite a lot of money to burn
Starting point is 00:03:46 which I think is like hugely risky going into the summer I mean pretty much every player they go for is going to be uh every club is going to be looking for close to world record fees on the basis of their alleged bids for Russo so I think on balance it probably wasn't the smartest move that's ever been made. I just think the likelihood of them prizing her away was beyond zero. There's no way Man United could have sold her in the context of the title race and their ambitions long term. I think it would have killed the club. I mean, how would they be able to sign anyone in the summer having let a player go and likely thrown their title race attempt consciously away? I mean, it just would have completely screwed them.
Starting point is 00:04:33 So regardless of the money, no matter how much money it is, Man United do not need half a million. The women's team obviously would like that, but the club as a whole can afford to weather that for the sake of the context, I think so yeah stupid move stupid move from Arsenal smart move maybe though from Manchester United Robin it was a big statement and you know perhaps brave turning down that money even though when you look at the the context of Manchester United as an entity, perhaps brave is not the right word, but the right decision maybe. Oh, I mean, absolutely. I agree with everything Susie just said.
Starting point is 00:05:11 I think, I mean, had they sold her to Arsenal, that would have just been, I mean, not in just the actual physical sort of, you know, giving one of the best strikers, you know, in women's football to a title rival. But just the optics would have been awful. Just gone, oh, OK, actually, you know, actually prefer this money, which, yes, as Susie pointed out, for the club as a whole is pocket money, let's be honest, for Manchester United. So it just seems so unrealistic and yeah desperate and it's it's it's bad for Arsenal
Starting point is 00:05:48 because they've ended up pursuing someone who I mean they would never have given her to to Arsenal probably for any sort of money so it was just a bit of a waste of time I feel for Arsenal and as we'll talk about I mean that the the fact they haven't got a striker in. Now, obviously, it's not just all on the number nine, but it might cost them not just the title, but again, another trophy-less season. We'll have to see. Yeah, it's going to be fascinating, isn't it? And actually, I think when you look at the Champions League
Starting point is 00:06:18 for Manchester United, it's vital, bearing in mind the season that they've had, that they make the Champions League next season. You can't get into the Champions League without a player like Alessia Russo. And then ultimately, I'm sure they'd like to keep hold of her and put a new contract on the table for her in the summer as well. Marvel, we haven't even mentioned Chelsea's surprise left field and again, ultimately unsuccessful bid for Katie McCabe, which was a bit random. Yeah, very random, especially as Chelsea are one team you say depth-wise aren't struggling too much compared to other teams. I think Arsenal made definitely the correct decision. One, because obviously Chelsea is a big rival.
Starting point is 00:06:58 We do not want to do that. But I think especially seeing, and we'll get into it in terms of Arsenal and the characters in their team, but McCabe I mean she's just top character there even if she's not playing as much currently the significance of selling her to your rival let alone someone like McCabe in the dressing room you know you've sort of already lost Jordan Nobbs who again someone who wasn't playing that regularly but still is such a big character in that dressing room so So a bit cheeky, a bit cheeky from Chelsea, but then also can't really call them that cheeky when Arsenal have gone and done the same thing really to United.
Starting point is 00:07:32 But yeah, I think right decision all round. Yeah, cheeky better than random, I think. It's not quite random when you think about what Katie McCabe would be able to do for Chelsea. But it kind of ended up being a really exciting transfer window, which we don't have in January that often. What do you all make of the increased attention on all of it, Susie? Yeah, like transfer windows, it's rare that they're particularly exciting
Starting point is 00:08:00 in women's football, I would say, because so many kind of leave and come and go on threes and the introduction of growing transfer fees and I'd say the the increased intensity in the rival between top sides as well is adding a little bit of spice to things obviously the world cup is a big player too you know when you see Beth England, Jordan Nobbs, Lucy Staniforth all make moves to look for first team football then you know you've got a like much more interesting spread of teams benefiting from some big names moving and we're already seeing the fruits of that labour as we've talked about so yeah like real real exciting window I like one of the things that I think that gets a little bit overlooked amid the Russo chat is that I think Arsenal have actually had a pretty good window.
Starting point is 00:08:47 You know, Victoria Pullover, Catherine Call and Sabrina D'Angelo, you know, they're decent signings. And they're also ones that look to the future a little bit. But I mean, I think their signings for next season more than anything, given their age and the time it's going to take them to properly settle into WSL. And yes, Arsenal need to win for now. But I think when you've got Beth Mead and Viviana Mead a bit injured, you look at any team in the top flight and you take players of that calibre out of the equation and you're unlikely to win a trophy.
Starting point is 00:09:20 So if Arsenal finish trophy-less, there's an explanation there. It's not like it's just completely random. And yes, they didn't sign anyone in January, as in sign a big striker in January, but they have built for next season and they just need to pull in a player of that calibre in the summer. So I don't think all is lost if they don't win a trophy. And then, I mean, yeah, like really exciting transfer window, like you say.
Starting point is 00:09:43 There's some big players moving around. I thought Leicester's signings were excellent on the weekend and, you know, made a big difference to that game and their performance. And we've seen some real, real talent come into the league as well from the US in Brighton as well too. What do you think about the increased eyes on the transfers, Robin? It felt as if everybody kind of got swept up. And I'm always really, you know, I don't get too excited about the transfer window.
Starting point is 00:10:12 You know, as a journalist, I roll my eyes with all the speculation going on and, you know, agents feeding lines left, right and centre. But what did you make of it? I'm similar, actually. I'm like, just tell me when they've signed. I don't really look at rumors and all that. I find it very, very tedious. But I think the fact that it was kind of clubs, the thing that really piqued everyone's interest,
Starting point is 00:10:34 it was rival clubs in the same division trying to pinch each other's players. That's the real soap opera drama of it that really got things interesting. But it's just great that the you know, the increased coverage generally, I think, you know, on Sky Sports, they had a picture of Russo alongside, you know, Enzo Fernandes.
Starting point is 00:10:51 And that's great. You know, people were genuinely interested in the sort of saga of that. So I think just in terms of the coverage, despite finding it slightly annoying, generally in transfer talk, it's all good if it's alongside sort of you know the big money moves of of the Premier League although it does again it kind of just shows I mean that
Starting point is 00:11:11 half a million pounds for Alessio Russo and um just Chelsea men's general spend on just one player still uh still quite a quite a chasm there. Yeah, terrifying. After all that deadline day excitement though, the last thing any of us, I think, probably expected was for the two clubs at the centre of all the drama and the soap opera to play out goalless draws. Although maybe we did expect that after what we've just said.
Starting point is 00:11:40 Arsenal held by West Ham on Sunday night while United couldn't get the better of Everton earlier on in the day. Susie, we'll start at the Chigwell Construction Stadium. How much of Arsenal's performance do you think comes down to not getting that striker? I mean, 21 shots without a goal sort of speaks for itself, doesn't it? It's a big blow. I think I said last time we were on that I think that the lack of a real world-class centre-forward would show in the games against the big teams after the draw with Chelsea.
Starting point is 00:12:13 It's pretty bad that it's now showing against teams a little bit further down the table. You have that many opportunities. And I know Jonas said afterwards, you know, I'd be more worried if we weren't creating but in the context of the fact that they've got this group of forwards that are good enough to score and aren't scoring is for me a bigger problem you know it's not like a one-off it's not they need time to gel these are players that have been playing a part in this team for a while now Stina Blackstinius Caitlin Ford, Frida Manham's goals have dried up, Lena Hertig, when she gets on, you know, just can't get the ball on target. And they're huge
Starting point is 00:12:52 problems. And for me, they should be incredibly worried. I mean, he's probably not going to come out and go, oh no, yeah, I'm really worried about my strikers. They're doing terribly. But yeah, like I said, the lack of an an out and out like a centre forward where the ball pulls at their feet and you think they are going to score um like you just think they are not going to miss like they don't have that kind of player they have they have players that the ball comes to them and you think well this could go either way likely uh likely one way and not the other. The other being the back of the net. So for me, it's like the glaringly obvious problem. Obviously, Mackenzie Arnold was decent in the West Ham goal,
Starting point is 00:13:33 but I also think that a lot of the saves weren't that hard to make. It was a similar problem against Chelsea. The shots on target were often very, very near the goalkeeper. So for me, that's the bigger problem. They just need to keep their strikers on the training pitch, firing the ball at the net and avoiding the goalkeeper. I mean, that's as simple as it is, isn't it? But they wear bright colours.
Starting point is 00:14:02 Why would you not just kick the ball right at them? I was going to ask you this, Marva, because it's an interesting debate of where you put this game in terms of the spectrum of West Ham being good to keep Arsenal out and Mackenzie Arnold shining in particular, as Susie said, or Arsenal just being a little bit wasteful and failing to put West Ham under enough pressure. Yeah, I mean, I'll go for the cliche of it's a bit of both, really, because I think, like Susie said, Mackenzie Arnold, great game, but there were too many opportunities that she shouldn't have had a great game for that. They should have sorted it past her. I think Marnham had two early on in the first half, which were just clear goal opportunities.
Starting point is 00:14:42 But I thought West Ham played, they knew what they wanted to do they definitely knew what they wanted to do I think the first half they were a bit more daring showed a bit more threat on the counter-attack and then the second half they were like we don't we don't need to do this anymore let's just try and get that that one point um which they did successfully and you can't knock them for that so I think they started their game plan very very well I thought Sissoko had a had a very good game and Arnold too but yeah Arsenal it's getting to that point now where I think even if they had their their best players there it's a point in the season where you need everyone to step up and it's mentality wise still a difficult thing for even those at the very top to be like
Starting point is 00:15:21 right we're in a title battle now we've seen Chelsea even just seeing Chelsea at the very top to be like, right, we're in a title battle now. We've seen Chelsea. Even just seeing Chelsea at the top of the table is scary because they're not going to let that go. So let alone for those sort of players who aren't really at the top, not only do they have to step up and step into the boots of Miedema and Mead, but they've also now got to do that extra work of really stepping up for the title challenge. And that's not an easy thing to do for the top players, let alone those who are sort of not quite at the top yet either.
Starting point is 00:15:47 Yeah, Arsenal have a massive month coming up as well, Robin. They play Manchester City twice this week. Continental Cup semi-final on Wednesday, then the league on Saturday. They've now drawn Chelsea in the FA Cup fifth round at the end of the month as well. What do you think the expectations for Jonas Eidevall and his team are right now? Well, this is the thing. I mean, they could realistically be out of both domestic cups and that would be pretty tough to take given the start they made to the league season at least. Marv put it beautifully. It's mentality with finishing. Miedema looks like she's never felt any pressure in her entire life.
Starting point is 00:16:25 She's just like so casual. And that's why she puts these goals away so easily. Whereas it's almost like, because I have no doubt they're technically good enough to be scoring more goals. It feels like it could be a sort of almost a pressure thing, because especially now we're getting to that stage of the season where Arsenal were playing last and they saw that Man United slipped up a little bit and Chelsea you know they could have so they kind of had to win they had to win they can't drop points against West Ham and and and they they didn't win so yeah it's it's a tough tough old time and this is where Jonas Edevald really got around his money he's got a kind of it's I don't think it's it's a tough tough old time and this is where Jonas Edevald really got to earn his
Starting point is 00:17:05 money he's got a kind of it's I don't think it's to do with tactics or how good they are as footballers it's almost kind of a psychological thing they've got to believe that they can put pressure on Chelsea but and yeah I think Susie's right like I I kind of bought the I'm not worried we're creating chances when it was against Chelsea but that's twice now in the WSL that that's happened. So it seems like there's becoming more of a pattern, which is slightly concerning. Yeah, psychologically could have been worse for Arsenal though, but they already knew that Manchester United had dropped points earlier on in the day. So it didn't dent them perhaps as much as it could have done. Mark Skinner's side played out a goalless draw with Everton. How big is this result Susie when we're looking not just at the title race but also the hunt for Champions League? Oh huge I mean
Starting point is 00:17:55 it opens the door for Manchester City right and like they have been sniffing up the table and around the edge of the Champions League uh for the majority of the season now after their like early starter and looked really good um at the weekend as well again like really building up some consistency you know no changes in january that you know kind of would have potentially disrupted the momentum of what was a pretty turned over team in the summer so like if I'm Man United I'm looking over my shoulder as much as Mark Skinner tries to say he's you know only focused on them and only focused on their results you know they have never finished above Man City and I think it's going to be a really really exciting end of the season in terms
Starting point is 00:18:46 of Champions League spaces perhaps more than the title race now because once Chelsea get a stranglehold at the top they just don't don't relinquish it for anything so yeah like for me you know you've got obviously City playing Arsenal twice as well that is going to swing I would say likely momentum in City's favour in terms of Champions League places and then you've got a straight fight out between them and United for second and third and I think that will be a very very exciting battle. Yeah most definitely and is there a bit of increased pressure perhaps on Manchester United Robin bearing in mind they've chosen to keep Alessia Russo and you would think that that would then give them the edge in all of the ambitions that they have this season.
Starting point is 00:19:30 Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. I mean, the fact that they've kept her. Again, people were kind of saying, oh, you know, what's her state of mind? I don't get the impression this would affect her at all because I don't think she's unhappy there. You know, she might be thinking about what she's going to do next perhaps but I don't think her focus would have would have waned you know I think for this one I think they were just a bit unlucky because they they battered they absolutely battered I mean credit to Everton they the new managers clearly got them much more organized and that's a credit to them but again a, a bit like Arsenal, Man United had a close call
Starting point is 00:20:05 against Reading, didn't they? Took a worldie from Williams to come off the bench. So, you know, just signs that maybe the goals are starting to drop a little bit. And again, yeah, I mean, this is a test of their character because, you know, they were top of the league. That win against Arsenal at the Emirates made, you know, they were talking about the title, whereas now suddenly, just this weekend, and we're talking about, are they going to make the Champions League? I mean, it's really exciting for us.
Starting point is 00:20:30 But yeah, this is a test of United's character because this has happened before, hasn't it? They've started well in seasons and then just dropped off towards the end. So can they stay the course? It's the big question. I just don't understand why they're not making more changes as well.
Starting point is 00:20:43 Like, they've got a really decent bench, but they're sticking very rigidly to this this Serena Vigman style starting 11 but a season is a really long time and you know they're clearly I think it was there more than Arsenal 25 shots on target or something like that but like clearly there's um you know issues there so so why aren't you turning to your bench to sort of lift that? Obviously, they brought on Nikita Paris and Rachel Williams, but they're sort of tried and tested WSL players who, you know, aren't necessarily your game changers, although Rachel Williams did do that last week.
Starting point is 00:21:16 But, you know, in terms of like, you know, Boa Risa, Team Cara, Cascarino, you know, new signings, like why aren't we seeing more of them? That's my big question. And I think a lot of the fans are sort of clamouring for that, to see some of those players coming on. You know, you look at Arsenal, they made like four or five changes at the weekend,
Starting point is 00:21:35 really delved into their bench to try and find that result. Man United aren't really doing that so much and are very much sticking with that 11. And I just don't think you can necessarily do that across the course of an entire season. Yeah it's a really interesting point. Marva I know you're desperate to talk about Everton although you did nod along when Robin was saying that Manchester United perhaps should have won that and perhaps it wasn't your biggest result of the weekend as an Everton fan but all in, a good weekend to be a toffee.
Starting point is 00:22:06 Bearing in mind that they lost 3-0 in the reverse fixture, how much of a mark does this show, how far Everton have come under Brian Sorensen? Yeah, definitely. I mean, battered may be slightly harsh. I think we had a slight chance to win it even at the end, but definitely I would like to see the XG stats on that because I think, yeah, in that sense we did get battered.
Starting point is 00:22:29 But it's still a massive improvement from the reverse fixture because even in terms of when we tried to counter, we had a plan, we knew what we were doing. I think the first 15, 20 minutes was a really good game. The whole game was really good actually, but the first 20 minutes was really competitive between both teams we held the ball well when we did get the ball as the game went on we started to maybe get tied legs and sort of give away easy easy mistakes really to to Man United who didn't punish us they did sort of hit the post
Starting point is 00:23:01 and then come very very close multiple times but yeah I think we can still be proud of that performance. And that's the next step up for us. What I thought this season was going to be for us was kind of being the best of the rest where we could. Having it a little bit, you know, it's not necessarily winning every game, but kind of since that defeat to West Ham at the beginning of the season, we have won pretty much every game against the best of the rest which was surprising for me to see and then going that extra step now of can we get a few points off of the top three the top four um I thought we came quite close against Man City um in that 2-1 although again probably wasn't
Starting point is 00:23:41 really deserved but we've we've just we're starting to stay in games more and I think once you when you're staying in games there's always a chance at the end like we saw with Jess Park who if she had just shot rather than try and round the goalkeeper that would have been three points for us I was screaming head in my hands but um it was still really encouraging signs from from Somerset's team here yeah and like Courtney Brosnan as well like stepping up and putting in performance like that
Starting point is 00:24:06 whilst Emily Ramsey is unable to play against her parent club was huge too. I mean, they've got some real goalkeeping talent in their ranks. Yeah, going to be
Starting point is 00:24:15 interesting to see. We've talked for quite a while about what Everton can do in the future. Perhaps this is those green shoots coming back up again. Right, that's it for
Starting point is 00:24:24 part one. In part two, we'll talk about Chelsea's nervy win over Spurs that put them top of the table, as well as checking in with the rest of the WSL and the Championship. Do you have business insurance? If not, how would you pay to recover from a cyber attack, fire damage, theft, or a lawsuit? No business or profession is risk-free.
Starting point is 00:24:46 Without insurance, your assets are at risk from major financial losses, data breaches, and natural disasters. Get customized coverage today starting at $19 per month at zensurance.com. Be protected. Be Zen. Welcome back to part two of the Guardian Women's Football Weekly. Tottenham 2, Chelsea 3. Chelsea going clear at the top of the league, but had to get through a few nervous moments first of all. Not the first time we've said that this season.
Starting point is 00:25:27 They went 1-0 up thanks to Jess Carter's header. But Bethany England fresh from getting engaged. Congratulations. Scored. Didn't celebrate the equaliser. Classy individual. Lauren James' individual excellence, followed by Guru Wrighton going through one-on-one, giving Chelsea a 3-1 lead. But still time for Nicola Kaciuska to pull one back to make it 3-2. It felt, Susie, as if this match kind of stole all the goals
Starting point is 00:25:52 from the rest of the games of the weekend. Back-to-back 3-2 results for Chelsea after they struggled past Liverpool in the FA Cup as well. They're usually defensively solid. Is this becoming a bit of a problem for them this season? I mean, it has been a problem for them all season in that they've not really got a completely settled back line. I don't think Adishabu Cannon has properly settled in in the way maybe they perhaps would have hoped. And I think that perhaps speaks to how little defending defenders have to do at Lyon.
Starting point is 00:26:22 But I thought it was interesting that it was a completely changed back line for this game well not completely changed but a real shifted around back line for this game you know you've got Jess Carter and Niamh Charles as full backs you've not got Magda Ericsson in there they're trying to find their best back line and I think that is why they bid for Katie McCabe because they've not really got any sort of, I mean, I'm pretty sure Katie McCabe prefers playing further forward, but they've not really got any sort of natural fullbacks that really fit into that team of sort of world-class quality
Starting point is 00:26:57 in the way that Katie McCabe provides and the fact that Magda Ericsson has been playing less often this season speaks to that. The frustrating thing is that they just are so efficient regardless of uh whether they're not looking particularly great isn't it like I mean another win um when they're not playing their best and there's just a relentlessness about Chelsea that is is frustrating for fans of any other team in the league where it's a mentality thing isn't it they just they just always believe that they're
Starting point is 00:27:31 going to win and they're going to score like quite US style mentality I think what's worse Susie is that they they kind of give you a bit of hope don't they by giving up stupid goals and you're like oh maybe they have got a chink in their armour and then no they don't they, by giving up stupid calls? And you're like, oh, maybe they have got a chink in their armour and then, no, they don't. It's like they do it on purpose, this Chelsea team. But they do it every time. It's almost like we're on this call, aren't we? We all resigned now because that's it, isn't it?
Starting point is 00:27:56 Oh, yeah. They'll have maybe a few nervy moments within individual games, but we think that's it now, don't we? Because Chelsea just know how to see this out we do because of their history you can't help but not but equally this game and others that they've had this season show that they've got frailties yeah but they do this they do this they tease you and then they end up winning this is what happened it's the hope that kills you exactly but I actually they when I looked at how many clean sheets they've had this season,
Starting point is 00:28:26 I don't have it to hand, but it's really not that many. I think they have been much more easy to score against generally. But unlike, you know, especially this weekend, Arsenal and Man United, they have forwards, not just forwards, just pretty much anyone on that team can score. And they have that ruthlessness and that, you know, they're just clinical. So, yeah yeah it's almost like we can close the book now it's another yet another title for Chelsea unfortunately I know
Starting point is 00:28:51 we like to big things up but um I can't see them letting this go I can't tell you the number of clean sheets off the top of my head but they've conceded 11 goals Manchester United and Arsenal only conceded six each so yeah they're quite a way behind in terms of their defence and solidity we've got to give some time though to talk about Lauren James Marva six goals this season in all competitions it was a it was another beaut of an individual effort although Emma Hayes just never lets her get too much praise does she she's always always just got to say yeah but she's still got work to do do you think that's unfair or has she has she got a point I would be amiss to criticize Emma Hayes and her her managing and coaching
Starting point is 00:29:38 style so I think she she knows how to get the best out of her players and that's probably how to get the best out of Lauren James I mean she's so young still you kind of forget when you watch her how young she actually is and she's just incredible to watch I do love that Emma Hayes particularly said about her tracking back I think the um the the last goal as well you could argue that that if if they had tracked back more than that wouldn't have happened and like we said this it's been where they've you know been I don't want to say failing but more so than than other aspects of their game is letting in goals but Lauren James is just incredible like her ability to maneuver the ball while still staying so strong and physical and then have the finished product as well is just actually incredible I think she's she's going to be possibly the best player in the world.
Starting point is 00:30:27 I don't think she's far from it. In that Arsenal-Chelsea game where it was a really cagey game, but any moment Lauren James got on the ball, the whole Emirates was just sort of on the edge of their seat waiting to see what she would do. And it's a joy to watch. But yeah, I like that from Emma Hayes. Yeah, we talked earlier about effortless players.
Starting point is 00:30:46 She's definitely an effortless player, it feels. She just glides across the pitch. Leicester City 0, Manchester City 2. Goals from Bunny Shaw and Chloe Kelly. A hard-fought 2-0 win over Leicester, thanks to some inspired saves from Janina Leipzig. Susie, we mentioned in part one that Arsenal have to play City twice this week.
Starting point is 00:31:07 Where do you think they are in relation to Arsenal and the top of the table more generally right now? In a really strong position. Like there's consistency there. They've got the players that can get them goals when they need it. Like the fact that Chloe Kelly is off the mark for the first time in the league this season.
Starting point is 00:31:23 I mean, I think she's spoken in interviews about not having been completely comfortable after coming back from injury and the World Cup and things. It's taken her a little bit of time to actually feel like she's properly fit and, you know, like ready again, despite the fact that she's been playing so regularly. But like her getting on the score sheet, huge, huge boost. But they just look like things are starting to click it's a hugely strong position i like at the moment in my mind they're finishing top three and it's arsenal they're missing out um given the loss of uh mid america's meat i just can't can't see arsenal being able to get through to city fixtures with enough goals to win those games. And I don't see City dropping many points in the final stages of the season.
Starting point is 00:32:10 Can I just say, I looked up at the Zoom, just as you said that, and we all raised our eyebrows. It just reminded me of an advert that's on at the moment for a fast food brand. It's like, whoa. Interesting. We might have to clip that up Susie and and replay that at the end of the season from an Arsenal fan as well unbelievable oh I would be delighted if I'm jinxing it remember my predictions are terrible so you know this is this I mean it could all be a conscious plan but no it's it's really not I do genuinely think that. Leicester, though, Janina Leipzig on loan from Bayern Munich in January.
Starting point is 00:32:52 She already looks like the best player in their squad, Robin. But even beyond that, really, it feels as if Willy Kirk's side are finally moving in the right direction. Oh, definitely. Just might be a little bit too late, unfortunately. But since coming back from, you know, the Christmas break, they've been markedly better and not just defensively. I mean, first of all, it just fills my heart when I see a goalkeeping performance in the women's game like that because she was sensational.
Starting point is 00:33:15 She was so good. But yeah, I mean, and they had a couple of good chances. Hannah Kane denied twice by Ellie Roebuck. So actually they are starting to create chances. I just wonder, as I say, it just might be a little bit too late for them to make this charge. I think the only, because of, and we'll get onto it later, but Brighton getting that point and then they might be able to
Starting point is 00:33:35 reel in Reading perhaps. But I mean, it was an impressive performance considering it was against a Man City side who were definitely, you know, they can go on these runs of just winning, winning, winning. And yeah, I mean, as I say, I think performance-wise it was good, but at this moment they need a bit more of that. And I just think, I mean, obviously they will have games
Starting point is 00:33:55 where they see a bit more of the ball, but I think they had 26% possession. And when you see that little of the ball, it's going to be very hard when you're scored against to get anything out of it. But as I say, they'll have games where they that little of the ball, it's going to be very hard when you're scored against to get anything out of it. But as I say, they'll have games where they see more of the ball and maybe we'll be able to see a little bit more their attacking intent. Yeah, you can certainly tell that he's done a job since Christmas, as you say. And not long to wait to talk about Aston Villa Brighton, because it's next.
Starting point is 00:34:22 Aston Villa won, Brighton because it's next Aston Villa won Brighton won an important point for Brighton as Julia Ulmer equalized following Kayleigh Green's own goal five points ahead of Leicester at the bottom they've got a game in hand as well Marva obviously Villa aren't the same level necessarily of Manchester United and Arsenal but how much does this result show everyone starting to feel the strain of the season perhaps? Yeah maybe but I think it's also across the board I think this weekend was a good one for goalkeepers as we saw in the Leicester game as well and I think when you raise that standard of goalkeeping where there's been a bit of a gap between the top clubs and the lower clubs in the league it means that games are just a bit more open for the taking because it's less that you know every every shot on goal is going to
Starting point is 00:35:10 result into a goal but I think with the Villa game it was a case of it was just a lack of concentration at the end they Villa should have won that game and gifted gifted them really but it's a big point massive point for Brighton in the relegation battle I think every point is so so vital when it gets to this stage and so few games in the WSL that it's going to be a really tough one for Leicester to catch up to them now. Yeah five points ahead of Leicester as I said Brighton and actually that was the first point for Jens Schur since he took over from Hope Powell in terms of WSL points. What's different about his Brighton team, Susie, versus Hope Powell's Brighton team?
Starting point is 00:35:51 It just looked like they've got an idea of what they're doing. I mean, and a bit of love for the game again. I think under Hope towards the end, they just all looked a little bit done. I think that's the biggest thing is like a new manager coming in shifting things around a little bit has just given them a little bit of fire back in their bellies um and you know that's not necessarily the fault of Hope Power that that was gone I think just towards the end of 10 years that when things aren't quite going to plan heads drop don't they a new manager can shift things they brought in some decent quality
Starting point is 00:36:26 players as well like in January and I think you know having um players of real experience uh around a team like Brighton is a big help you know you look at Lydia Williams coming in from PSG or Brie Vasali who has obviously WSL experience and NWSL experience than the likes of Georgia Fox on loan from Chelsea. These are really talented, solid players that bring a level of solidity to the group, I would say, as a whole. Yeah, just a bit more of a plan and a bit of a better mentality, I would say. Interesting. Liverpool 2, Reading 0.
Starting point is 00:37:03 Finally, Liverpool scoring two quick-fire goals to beat Reading, Missy Bocans and Kerry Holland, securing the three points from Matt Beard's side. That pushes them up to eighth, eight points clear of Leicester. And Robin, perhaps one of the more underrated January signings has been Fuka Nagano, who's slotted right into this Liverpool midfield looked really impressive and they actually recruited quite heavily in January can we see them pushing further up the table or is this about right for them? Probably about right for them for this season they just don't want a bit of a nervy finish I guess they just want to go about their business
Starting point is 00:37:40 and you know pick up points against these sorts of teams and you know after the absolute battering they took it's been actually a fairly good good response they had a good six minutes against Chelsea that I saw before it was all frozen off they started well um perhaps they had slightly better boots than the other team. But yeah, I think they have recruited well. Matt Beard clearly has a lot of, with his previous sort of job as Boston Breakers manager, he's got a lot of contacts at the NWSL. So he recruits heavily from there. They're technically very good players.
Starting point is 00:38:15 And I agree, Nagano looks very composed. And that's maybe what they needed after they've got quite a few young players like Missy Boe Kearns and all that so no a good win for them you know it could have been slightly different I think Emma Harry's hit the bar before they scored their first goal for Reading so you know it's fine margins but you know they'll take that three points and it's Reading who are the ones that might just be looking over their shoulders a little bit at Leicester. Yeah, it does feel like Kelly Chambers' side are kind of walking that tightrope at the moment, Marva. Only four points ahead of Leicester.
Starting point is 00:38:50 Leicester have two games in hand, which is a big concern for Kelly Chambers. They also loaned Natasha Dowie to Liverpool, but have brought in their former academy player, Tania Alexander. It feels as if they could get, I mean, they're already, I was about to say they could get sucked into this very quickly. They're already in it, aren't they?
Starting point is 00:39:14 Yeah, I think so. And way more so than Liverpool, not even just on points. But I think the manner in which they're losing games when they do, there's been a few where they either go ahead or they're in it. They look strong and then they just don't take those chances. And you saw it with this game as well, where both teams were kind of evenly matched for a good part of the game. And it's just that finishing quality right at the end. And when you're somewhat in a relegation battle, they're the kind of chances you need to take, especially against the sort of lower mid-table teams,
Starting point is 00:39:42 because of course you're going to struggle against anyone sort of above sixth place, really. So you've got to be trying to make the most of those chances. But in the same breath, obviously, Leicester have the bigger job to do. So they should be OK, I think. But they are, them and Brighton are definitely the ones in it. And I think Liverpool are very much out of it now. And shout out to that Megan Campbell monster throw.
Starting point is 00:40:04 That is always an absolute joy to watch, isn't it? I love any kind of monster throw. I just I wish I had the shoulder energy myself to be able to do it. I think I would just the ball would fall back behind my head when I tried to give it any momentum whatsoever. Well, one of those three teams potentially could be in the championship next season. And I tell you what, they'll have a tough job getting out of it because it's been so competitive this season. This weekend, Charlton needed a 97th minute winner from Arsenal Academy product Alex Hennessy to beat Coventry. Bristol City dropped points in a goalless draw at Blackburn. It's catching, isn't it? These goalless draws.
Starting point is 00:40:43 It's getting so tight at the top. London City Lionesses bounce back from their FA Cup loss to Tottenham to stay at the summit with a 3-1 win over Sunderland. And the top two, Bristol City and London City Lionesses, play each other in that rearranged fixture on Wednesday night, which could put the momentum shift one way or the other. Meanwhile, a Jade Pennock hat-trick helped Birmingham to an impressive 4-0 win
Starting point is 00:41:06 away at sixth place. Lewis Southampton beat Crystal Palace 2-0 and Jess Clarke scored an 89th-minute winner for Durham against Sheffield United, who are struggling just above Coventry at the bottom of the table. Right, from the Championship to the Champions League. The draw is on Friday.
Starting point is 00:41:24 Chelsea and Arsenal find out their quarterfinal opponents. Susie, best and worst case scenario for both, what would you say? I mean, best case scenario for Arsenal is, and for any team I think that has won their group, is Roma. You know, a brilliantly talented team, but also a team that is let's say at the start of their journey um is probably the nicest way to put it like they are the weak team of the group in terms of worst case I mean any of the others a worst case scenario like against a German side, maybe Bayern Munich. Like, up against Georgia Stamway, they lack a fight. I would say that's probably worst-case scenario balance between them and PSG.
Starting point is 00:42:18 For Chelsea, again, Roma, best case, worst case. Oh, yeah, probably Bayern as well. Like, Lyon have been patchy this season, so maybe perhaps you could see them edging past Lyon in the same way that Arsenal were able to get the better of them earlier on in the season. But yeah, probably the same, probably Roma and Bayern for both. Robin, you commentate on the Champions League. Are you excited about it returning? Oh, yeah, because it's all, I mean, every match-up is just such a, you know, it's heavyweight, isn't it? And you get the absolute best players on show. And it is a difficult one to call. I think because, obviously, we concentrate on our domestic lead in England quite a lot.
Starting point is 00:42:58 We obviously focus on the sort of weaknesses. But you never know, Susie. You never know. I know Arsenal probably aren't in as best shape as they were at the start of the season because of the injuries
Starting point is 00:43:08 they've had but we'll have to see I mean it'd be great if we have an English team go far in this competition that's just my one hope whether it's Arsenal
Starting point is 00:43:16 or Chelsea we just like them to go forward because actually Susie could that be an issue if they don't I mean in terms of getting more
Starting point is 00:43:24 Champions League places or losing one even is that an issue if they don't? I mean, in terms of getting more Champions League places or losing one even, is that an issue? I don't think it is at this stage. I think they're okay, but it is always a worry. We've only just got three, haven't we? Yeah. Yeah. You just wouldn't want to lose that one.
Starting point is 00:43:38 No, definitely. Definitely it takes, well, although it introduces even more jeopardy, if you like, into the WSL. Marva, could Chelsea or Arsenal win the Champions League based on domestic form this season? I'm going to say no, but you never know. You never know. I think Chelsea, I almost liken Leon to kind of how Chelsea are in the domestic league, where, you know, they they start off they can start off
Starting point is 00:44:05 a bit patchy but they have the mentality and they have the squad and they know what to do to then just just win it when they need to um and I sort of see that with Lyon in the Champions League I think it's going to be a tough one to beat them but what's great to see this year is that there are so many other teams competing I think that the level of the the European heavyweights as Robin said is really really improving I think Bayern are going to be a big one to watch um and so yeah I'm just kind of excited to see any of the big matchups but I think it might be a step too far for Arsenal although maybe the pressure's kind of off for them in that sense compared to Chelsea I think Chelsea it's not a secret as much as Emma Hayes might sort of lessen it slightly.
Starting point is 00:44:45 But I think everyone knows that for them, they've won it all. They know how to win domestic cups. That's kind of old news for them. What they really want to go for is that Champions League. And I think the pressure's on them. Whereas for Arsenal, as we've said, the kind of pressure isn't on them for anything now. They've got their big two injuries. That's a nice excuse.
Starting point is 00:45:03 And they can kind of just go in and enjoy themselves a little bit more I think yeah absolutely right listen we can go off and enjoy ourselves now for the day 8 30 look at that Susie Rack bang on boom do I get a gold star for you oh yeah you get four gold stars it means that I'm not going to be sprinting the school run and instead going to be walking briskly. Lovely. Enjoy. It's been a delight to see you, Robin Cowan. We need that play date in very soon. Oh, yes, please. Yes.
Starting point is 00:45:32 We're going for our swimming lesson now, so pray for me. It's like trying to put a swimming suit on an octopus. It's not fun. I feel your pain. Why did I sign up for this? Marva, always a delight to see you. And I really would like to see you next time with another Toffees smile on your face.
Starting point is 00:45:51 That's all we can hope for. We'll be back next week as the title race looks set to hot up even more as Manchester City play host to Arsenal, while we'll also be finding out on Friday who Arsenal and Chelsea have drawn in the Champions League quarter-finals. We'll also look ahead to the return of the Lionesses in the Arnold Clark Cup with Serena Wiegand announcing her squad later on Tuesday. The Guardian Women's Football Weekly is produced by Lucy Oliver and Jesse Parker-Humphrey. Its music composition was by Laura Iredale.
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