The Guardian's Women's Football Weekly - England victorious after shootout chaos and Italy stun Norway – Women’s Football Weekly

Episode Date: July 18, 2025

Faye Carruthers is joined by Tom Garry, Marva Kreel and Jonathan Liew to relive England’s dramatic win on penalties and Italy’s late heroics...

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Starting point is 00:00:00 This is The Guardian. Hello, I'm Faker Rothers and welcome to The Guardian Women's Football Weekly. So many emotions. England are into the semi-finals of Euro 2025, but what madness did we all witness? A note, a shimp had a shootout. How did you all experience those penalties? Behind a cushion on the sofa with expletives
Starting point is 00:00:36 on a WhatsApp group, in the stadium watching between your fingers, it was a trip. And how the Falc did Jenefer and Sweden finish with the bloody No's? 2-0 up, two goals in two minutes though, taking the Lionesses into sudden death. And Serena Vigmans side progressed thanks to a gold star penalty from bronze, heroics from Hampton, and despite having four spot kicks saved. So England have set up a semi-final against Italy, who reached the last four for the first time in 28 years knocking out Norway. Captain Fantastic Cristiana Giurelli's 90th minute winner sparked jubilant
Starting point is 00:01:10 scenes in Geneva. We have all of that to dissect. I'm honestly not sure I can go through it all again. Plus we'll take your questions and that's today's Guardian Women's Football Weekly. What a panel. Bleary-eyed we have today. Tom Gary, how are you? Good morning, I'm okay. I think I can sum up how mind-boggling that all was with two very short examples. First of all, I just realised I left my jacket in the press room last night. I was so kind of spaced out. And secondly, we do this thing as the writers at The Guardian where you're emailing we do this thing as writers at the Guardian where you're emailing in your reports
Starting point is 00:01:47 where you put at the top your name and where you were. And I realized I sent in by Tom Gary in Geneva when I was actually in Zurich. Who am I, where am I, what am I? Yeah, that's how mad it was. But yeah, good morning, good morning good morning morning can I just recommend you ASAP go and get that jacket because I have a lovely Navy Mac RIP it is still in Qatar somewhere it disappeared left pitch side so I would
Starting point is 00:02:22 suggest going and getting it as soon as you possibly can. Lost property talk here, weather talk, Tom Gary has it all. Marva, how are you feeling? Tired. I was just on so much adrenaline last night. I just couldn't sleep after that. I just had to like decompress for hours and hours. So yeah, very, very tired, but very happy. Yeah. Alessina who also needed to decompress. We'll get to that in a sec. Johnny Lou, you've literally just rolled out of bed and you never look like someone who's just rolled out of bed.
Starting point is 00:02:54 Good morning. I always write like someone who's just rolled out of bed. Good morning. Yeah. I had quite a heavy one on Wednesday night and I had a very early flight to Zurich on Thursday morning and I just wanted a nice simple 90 minutes. I watched a nice easy night frankly and I was failed on every count. So this is basically your fault. You request these kind of things and they do try, you know, tend to have the opposite
Starting point is 00:03:23 effect. Okay, well, I mean, look, I don't even really know where to start. We'll try and go through it chronologically, but we may not entirely. But the key point is that England are Euro semi-finalists once again. It was a chaotic and bruising encounter, I think it's fair to say, against Sweden. It finished Sweden 2, England 2 after normal time, before the Lionesses then came through one of the most nonsensical awful slash brilliant
Starting point is 00:03:50 penalty shootouts to win 3-2. Here are my scrawlings from the game. Shinpads notes, Super Serena subs, squad depth, 103 seconds, strapping, swagger. Kind of without writing in the penalties sums it up and in her post-match interviews as I said Serena Vigman called it one of the hardest matches she's ever watched she said very emotional we could have been out four or five times during the game then we go to the penalty shootout and we miss a lot but they miss even more and we're through I need to decompress, I think,
Starting point is 00:04:25 which is exactly how we all feel as Marva perfectly summed up. So Tom, see if you can sum up that game if possible. Well, there's so many different things that we need to recognise. First of all, how poor England were for the first hour, and then how impressive and spirited and determined the fight back was. Like they just completely refused to give in. That was astonishing. How we need to recognise how well Sweden played, but also how inexplicable it is that they have not gone through. They had so many opportunities to knock England out and spare a thought for Jennifer Falk who has saved four of the first six penalties
Starting point is 00:05:05 that she saved and is still on the losing side. As a goalkeeper, that must be kind of incomprehensible to understand how you've not won the shootout when you save four of the first six. And I feel so sorry for Shmila Holmberg, a young right back, 18 years of age who has had this sort of very impressive breakthrough tournament as such a young right back, 18 years of age, who has had this sort of very impressive breakthrough tournament as such a young player, did not deserve to be the player who missed the decisive penalty. And I've never seen a penalty shootout like that live. The whole night seemed just chaotic, fantastic drama. We didn't have a shootout in the last Euros three years ago, so maybe the whole tournament was trying to kind of make up
Starting point is 00:05:45 for lost time with that kind of chaotic drama. It was extraordinary stuff and somehow Inlander found a way and they deserve so much praise for finding a way to do that in tournament football, all the way the subs all helped out. To be in a sixth consecutive major tournament semi-final, that decade has been absolutely outstanding from the Lionesses and yeah, you can just never ever rule them out, can you? You can never rule them out. No, you can't at all and actually I think what was really important is the first thing you said, England were really poor for that first hour because it's really easy when you look at the result to get carried away and Excited as England fans and be on this, you know fantastic high of the roller coaster
Starting point is 00:06:32 But I have to say it was a really poor performance But that resilience that squad depth and so much work that's gone on behind the scenes Has got them to the place that they are now and as you say they've been in every major tournament semi-finals since 2015 they're the first team now in Euro history to come back from 2-0 down in the knockout stages and you mentioned it in your piece last night Johnny about England's self-belief helping them overcome all the odds how much does that mentality set them apart in these kind of moments?
Starting point is 00:07:05 I think that there are very few teams in the international game that have that quality. Obviously the United States, one of them, and Spain, I think you could say now. But this kind of sets them apart from what their quality is on the pitch, because I think we could all agree that they're on the pitch, the fundamentals of the game were not quite there for at least for an hour. But there was something in this England side which almost expects things to turn out all right in the end. And that can be a really powerful weapon in fact, because it infuses what you're doing with a certain sense of purpose. I think it infuses the opposition as well. The opposition know that you're England,
Starting point is 00:07:48 that you have options on the bench, that you have that ultimate, that hallmark of quality that can change the game in a moment. And that makes oppositions quite jittery. It gives you self-belief that however lost the cause, you are gonna find a way to pull yourself through in the end. And that comes through years and years of getting to the latter stages of tournaments and fighting your way through. This was reminiscent of what we saw in Australia where they looked really bad
Starting point is 00:08:17 for quite large parts of that tournament. The Nigeria game they found a way through, in Colombia they found a way through. Whatever they had to do, they found a way through in Colombia, they found a way through and they kind of feel almost whatever they had to do, they found a way of doing it. And obviously it didn't, you know, it didn't work in the final because they actually came up against a team that was that was technically superior to them. But it is I think going to go to get England to another tournament final because they just have it. You know, England reverted to being England and Sweden reverted to being Sweden. Sweden reverted to being the team that has fallen short, basically, in every major tournament, has looked very good and been very competent and qualified out of the group stage
Starting point is 00:09:00 and done what expected them, but ultimately has not taken that final step. And I think that institutional memory is a really powerful force in sport. It kind of tells you who you are and it also shapes what happens next. Hmm. Sweden almost became Norway. It was I mean, I did feel sorry for them. I said I said it in my before I said, wow, that was amazing. Congratulations, England in my expletive Slayden whatsapp group I said I felt sorry for Sweden that was my my overriding emotion as an England fan that just felt weird to say that and
Starting point is 00:09:36 actually Lucy Bronze described it as a roller coaster and both underwhelming and overwhelming at the same time which which I think is really, especially for a post-match interview, when you've got all that adrenaline, I thought was very insightful and, you know, I get what she means. But because going 2-0 down that early with some poor defending Marva was just awful to watch. How was your viewing experience? You're back in England now aren't you? I'm back in England now, aren't you? I'm back in England now, yeah. And I felt like I needed, you know, I was finally sort of getting my rest. And now after that, I'm back to where I was a few days ago in Zurich.
Starting point is 00:10:14 But yeah, it was, it was an awful watch. It was horrible. And it wasn't just a case of, you know, when, when we make that mistake early on, you kind of think, okay, maybe we've just got that out of the way. It's a kind of anomaly, you get that out of the way, you pick yourselves up and actually maybe that's what you need to just kind of wake yourself up and go. But if anything we just kind of look shell-shocked and we look startled and it just reminded me of the France game a lot. And yeah like Johnny was saying as well I just think it was kind of almost a summary of what England have been, but like writ large in the sense of in the leader, I think actually post-euros win, there's been this kind of like, what are England? They kind of looked quite fatigued.
Starting point is 00:10:57 Are they just tired from so much international football? And are they actually that good in terms of how they're playing? I think particularly out of big tournament football, there hasn't been that much that's excited us fully. I think we've always been a bit worried. I think we've seen a lot of cracks start to show and all of those cracks that we've been seeing over the last few years were so evident in that game and were evident in that France game as well. But then they do what they've also done, which is just be an incredible tournament team and just get it done. And I remember even thinking about the Nations League and the previous Nations League where I thought we played terribly, but we looked at it and you go, look, they're so tired,
Starting point is 00:11:35 they haven't had a break. And then in the Netherlands game at Wembley, they were 2-0 down and you thought, this is it. What is this England team? And then they just score three and you go, this is it, what is this England team? And then they just score three and you go, this is what they can do. When they kind of just turn it on, they just turn it on and all credit to those substitutions
Starting point is 00:11:52 because it's not an easy thing to do. Particularly like Esme Morgan, I think we have to shout out cause she's gonna get lost in this. But that is, to come on as like a striker where it's all or nothing, that you've got kind of nothing to lose. You just come on, you try and score, that's one thing. But to come on at 2-0 down and have to play centre-back in a team that hasn't been playing well that whole first
Starting point is 00:12:13 half and beyond, massive shout out to her. But yeah, an awful watch for that first half, but just an incredible watch for the last 15 minutes. It was a stroke of genius actually because they needed the height. They were being bullied in their own penalty box and the height of Esme Morgan made a difference. And you know, she had a couple of wobbly moments as well, as you would expect against, you know, a quality frontline that Sweden have. But Serena Vigman tipped the dial yet again. So they went to three at the back and then Beth Mead, Esme Morgan, Michelle Ajiman and Chloe Kelly came into the game
Starting point is 00:12:49 and had an immediate impact. I think that the stat going around was something like 62 or 63 minutes was all it took for Chloe Kelly to basically turn the game on its head, putting that cross in and causing all the drama with that first goal. And then two goals in 103 seconds. We talk a lot about the strength in depth, Johnny, but that did ultimately change the game.
Starting point is 00:13:15 I thought Lauren Hemt did, you know, worked hard. She was actually one of England's better players while she was on the pitch. But I think the way that England played through her, Sweden were really quite happy to defend that. I was looking at the crossing statistics about an hour through the game and they nailed something like three crosses out of 27 or something. It was a really, really low, because obviously Sweden- They couldn't beat that first offender, could they? No. And even when the crosses were making it into the area, England didn't have the
Starting point is 00:13:43 bodies in the box. They didn't have the height, obviously. And Sweden, they're just very happy to sit in the kind of the width of the penalty area and then headed away all night. And Kelly with who I think is a lot more willing to turn inside and get and get get the diagonal cross in from the from the corner of the area. She's more willing to get that early cross in. And obviously with Ajaman as the extra presence up alongside Russo, it was a go for broke strategy that England had to pursue, but also it provided an extra dimension that it basically asked Sweden some new questions. And that was what did it ultimately. I thought Sweden have defended
Starting point is 00:14:34 brilliantly all tournament. I think they conceded, was it none in the group? One in the group stage, which the fewest of any team in the tournament. They have arguably been the best defensive team in the tournament. And it you know are grouping the best defensive team in the tournament and it did look as though Ingmar will kind of really struggle to break them down so so credit I think to to Vigman I think everyone during the second half was was crying out what where are these substitutions why hasn't she changed anything I think that the fact that she's actually managed to solve that problem is a real credit to her. Tom I'm going to ask you in a second a bit more about Sweden, but just quickly, Marva, you know, obviously Lucy Bronze scored the equaliser and we will wax
Starting point is 00:15:13 lyrical about her very shortly because wow, the experience that she showed, quite incredible. But I want to talk about a player who doesn't have very much experience in Michelle Ajumang. 19 years old, first goal at a major tournament. I mean, she just looked fearless, didn't she? She looks incredible. And like, it's one thing to take your chance in that moment, but I think her overall center forward play was massively helpful to the team. And, you know, you look at the bench and you could say, of course, even someone like Aguibiva Jones,
Starting point is 00:15:44 who I think maybe a lot of people expected to come on, but I don't think that's a slight on her at all. It's more that how Ajumang plays as a kind of very sort of in-your-face centre forward. She was really like leading that press from the front and it was such intelligent play at so many points of the game. And also actually shout out to Russo because there were points where I saw her really kind of directing Ajumang and where to be and kind of really press from that front. But I mean, what, three caps and two England goals. It's just a ridiculous stat at 19. And one quite important one.
Starting point is 00:16:20 One quite important one. And the other one, one of the best goals I've ever seen for England. To do that at 19 and to do that when you weren't even meant to be in the England South like a few months ago, you were in the under 19s, just so incredible and like to be able to deliver that for your country is just amazing and like to know that we've now got her for however many years is so exciting and she just brings something different to the other centre forwards and other strikers as well. So yeah, just so, so happy for her. I thought she was brilliant defensively as well. I'll be honest, I don't know when in the game this was because time kind of stood still and it all merged into one after that
Starting point is 00:16:57 penalty shoot out. But Sweden were in the ascendancy after England had equalised and they had so much space over on the right hand side and all of a sudden you just see this figure sprinting across and Michel Adjimang was there, disrupted the cross going in and the move broke down ultimately. And then the other thing that I noticed, did you see at one point, I mean, this is poor, by the way, but Sweden should have had a corner late in the game and it blatantly came off of Keira Walsh. And as everybody was walking away, you see Michelle Ajamang just give this kind of like look, this kind of side eye. Maybe that's experience that she needs to work on her poker face a little bit. Don't
Starting point is 00:17:44 give that away too much. Without a doubt. I thought that was meme worthy. It was brilliant. But look, Kosovaria's Lani spoke about having the perfect game plan for England, Tom, and in many ways she was right. How did they exploit the Lionesses, particularly in that first half? Well, they had so much joy with the pace and power of Black Stenius in behind the England defence early on and also the pressure that they put on the England back line with the pressing which Aslany was so kind of integral to the organisation of that. Aslany, a player who's played in the second tier of English football last season as a 35-year-old, sort
Starting point is 00:18:23 of played like a player in their twenties and looked like a Champions League level player again, still so intelligent, still so energetic and intent with the way she was working off the ball and kind of helped stifle Kiera Walsh and Stanway in the midfield. I thought that Astani was so good and when she went off, Sweden was significantly weaker. We have to say that like for all we praise England substitutions, Sweden didn't have the same calibre of player coming off the bench to make that kind of impact. I was actually frustrated because all the things that Sweden were doing well in the first half were things that I thought England could have foreseen from watching Sweden You know, I was slightly concerned in the buildup about what
Starting point is 00:19:06 the plan was for the pace of Black Stenius. And the second goal in particular, while I appreciate England lost the ball unexpectedly in that position, they were very high, the defence, given the pace of Black Stenius. It was a very risky sort of set up with a high line, but Sweden exploited it really well and they should really have gone three or four and a lot. So they played, tactically Gerrardsen played a really good game from the start and they will be waking up this morning so sort of dejected and I think they will be so sort of confused as to how they didn't manage to win the game. Gerrardsen afterwards, of course, his last ever match in charge of the team, he was understandably in a very sad mood. He was asked what he was going to do next. He said he was going back to the hotel to watch
Starting point is 00:19:51 the game all over again. So presumably he was up till four in the morning watching the game back in pure bewilderment at how on earth they managed to not go through an extraordinary night for Sweden and they must think what a missed opportunity that was. Yeah, we'll talk about Leo Williamson's potential ankle injury because it was a brutal extra time, half an hour, players dropping like flies. But we'll discuss that in a second because we've got to talk about, I can't believe we're 20 minutes into the pod and we haven't fully spoken about the penalty shootout,
Starting point is 00:20:26 but we kind of had to go chronologically. I mean, look, it was awful. It really was not a good advertisement for women's football. That was my overriding after you take away the drama of it. Five were scored, six were saved, three were missed. Johnny, producer Soph said that you were actually incredibly calm about the whole thing while everybody else around you kind of lost it.
Starting point is 00:20:53 Have you ever seen anything like that in your many years in a press box? Oh yeah, I mean like sometimes you get great penalty shootouts and sometimes you get terrible ones. I remember England's men in the 2006 World Cup where they went out to Portugal and Owen Hargreaves was the only one who scored. I've been at Spurs Nottingham Forest penalty shootout in the FA Cup where I think they missed all of them. I think they missed all of them. So you know, this is what happens.
Starting point is 00:21:23 It's just sometimes pressure gets the best of you. And tiredness actually. You're having to do the most mentally gruelling part of a game in a penalty shootout when you are most fatigued. It's almost like one of those tests, isn't it? And confusion and, you know, just being slightly overcome. You know, Chloe Kelly, who obviously took one of the penalties she scored, but she, you know, she says she was bursting for a wee. Did you see this? She said afterwards, you know,
Starting point is 00:21:54 she was bursting for a wee during the penalty shootout, which might explain that slightly weird hopping run up. No, she always does that, unless she's always desperate for a wee before that. Yeah. And what happens is I think once you get one or two misses, it gets into everyone's heads. So definitely, you know, we saw quite a few penalties blasted over the bar. And so you so maybe great Grace Clinton walks up and think, okay, I'm just going to I'm just going to place mine. And, and she played, frankly, a characteristically excellent Grace Clinton pass. She just played it to the goalkeeper and then you know it descended to farce. I literally said to my friend she's going to lever this. She stepped up and I was like she's going to lever this
Starting point is 00:22:38 and it was so tame. That's the class of Grace Clinton, the role of the ball you know just playing it to feet almost. Literally playing it to feet. Yeah, yeah. But I was quite relaxed. Even when Sweden, you know, I think twice Sweden had a kick to win it. I just, I never quite believed in them. I don't know, maybe this is because I've just come out yesterday morning and I'm not as emotionally invested in this journey yet as a lot of the people there. But it was the same during the Champions League final
Starting point is 00:23:10 where Suzy obviously was kind of losing her rag in the closing second. No, Barcelona have completely wet the bed here. This is like they're done. And I had a similar feeling last night. So it was pretty hairy at times, but ultimately, you know, for reasons that I went into earlier, I did think that England would get the job done because that's England are just so good at just getting the job done. Yeah, they are. They're excellent at it. Yennefer Falk, Tom, had only conceded one goal prior to this match. I actually meant to mention it in the pod the other day that everybody had talked about Katta Cole
Starting point is 00:23:47 being the golden glove winner, but actually Falk had been absolutely superb. Four penalty saves, but then she stepped up to take that all important fifth penalty, sent it off target. I mean, they clearly didn't practice them. I love that she had the nouse to stand up and do it, but was it the right decision? I mean, ultimately it wasn't. Obviously that's a very silly question in some ways, but you know what I'm trying to say.
Starting point is 00:24:16 No, it's the right question. The fifth penalty did feel very early for the goalkeeper to be taking it. When you think they were forward still who hadn't taken one. Listen, Falke's job first and foremost is as a goalkeeper and she made four fantastic saves or at least three of them were really good saves in that shootout. And Falke and Holmberg have managed to put theirs over the bar. Eriksson's managed to hit the post and then there was the two Hampton saves. So Sweden overall have missed five of their seven penalties and you can't miss that many and think you're going to get through. They had so many chances there were the two Hamptons saves. So Sweden overall have missed five of their seven penalties and you can't miss that many and think you're going to get through. They had so many chances, as Johnny mentioned, they, you know, twice had a kick to win it, but they were never really convincing in their sort of conviction that they were going to score. I really want to applaud Hampton because I think
Starting point is 00:25:01 particularly the save she made from Jakobsson, the second time that Sweden had a chance to win it, that was a fantastic save. Low to Hampton's right to tip it onto the post at a time when England really needed her. Hampton said something really interesting after the game about Fout taking the fifth one. She sort of said, eventually, that running through her mind was that that was one of the only players she didn't have any stats on and where she would go because they've got all these notes on the bottles haven't they so she kind of could think okay where's this player going but for Foulkes she said she said you had no idea where she would go so it was all on me which was she said as it was Foulkes went over the bar but yeah completely chaotic penalty shootout the amateur in the stadium was one of like
Starting point is 00:25:44 disbelief. The reactions of both ends was great fun to see like fans just with their head in their hands hiding behind their eyes unable to watch great sporting drama. Like if you're going to delay the BBC News at 10, that's a good reason to delay it, right? For the nation to watch that chaos. I kind of loved it. If you could have sat and watched it while you weren't trying to file a copy, you could have just soaked it all in. Just appreciated how balmy it all was. I mean, what a shootout. It's much more fun that way than when it's like they score the first four each and then somebody's the unfortunate player who misses in the fifth one. Sweden must be kicking themselves because you can't save four penalties out of the first six and not go through. Sorry,
Starting point is 00:26:37 Faye, I'm running out of the words to articulate. Sacrilege. It's terrible. Terrible. Chaos. Yeah. Complete chaos. And England did get away with one. And I completely agree with Johnny that once a It's terrible, terrible. Chaos. Yeah. Complete chaos. And England did get away with one. And I completely agree with Jonny that once a few people start to miss, it probably gets into everybody's mind, doesn't it? And there were people who we've seen take very convincing penalties before, whether that be Greenwood, for example, who's normally so reliable from the spot.
Starting point is 00:27:00 You know, we've seen people, Meade as well, people suddenly look a completely different player stepping up to take the penalty because of those people that have missed earlier on. Yeah, actually, I watched Philippa Angledahl step up for that first penalty for Sweden and you could see it all over her face. She didn't believe it. Yeah, we have to talk about Hannah Hampton, Marva. I mean, you know, bloodied and bruised by the end of it. It had very Terry Butcher-esque vibes, didn't it, with a tissue or a tampon, whatever it was up her nose throughout the end of it. Some big saves as well, it has to be said, not just in the penalty shootout, but during the game as well to keep England in it.
Starting point is 00:27:41 It's difficult to kind of ask this question, especially because of all the scrutiny she was under coming into the tournament with Mary Earp's retiring. But did you feel like she maybe came of age in an England shirt in this game or is that a bit over the top? No, I don't think it's over the top. And I think actually probably this whole season for Chelsea was her coming of age. And I think previously I was always a little bit more like I would prefer Mary Earp's just because I felt a little bit more like I would prefer Mary Epps just because I felt a little bit like Hannah Hampton might have a mistake in her.
Starting point is 00:28:08 Whereas I think this previous season for Chelsea, she's really matured in that aspect and her decision making. And you saw it even towards the end of this game where she was nervy. Of course she was, everyone was, and she'd obviously made that slight error earlier in the game, which Leo Williamson corrected. But sort of towards the end when she was nervy, rather than kind of trying anything, she was just like, I'm just going to kick this out of play and take the pressure off my team and take the pressure off myself. And I think actually that's a mature response to do, particularly in that moment. And yeah, like you said, she
Starting point is 00:28:41 made some incredible saves that one just before halftime. If that goes in, that game is over. Like if it's three nil at half time, as much as we're saying England can turn it around and we just trust them to just get it done. I can't see them doing it at three nil down at half time. So yeah, she was incredible for out. And then for your first like major tournament penalty shootout to, I know obviously somewhere over the bar, but still to get some saves under your belt, to dive the right way even when it did hit the post or go over, I feel like she can take that confidence now as well and hopefully all the kind of noise beforehand
Starting point is 00:29:16 in terms of is she going to be experienced enough compared to Mary Earps, I think hopefully after that she can kind of take that on board as well and go in with more confidence. But yeah, with a tampon up your nose as well, when blurred vision and your head being hit, that only adds to it. Yeah, and talking Warriors, Lucy Bronze strapping up her own leg at one point. She scored the equaliser, arguably, particularly, let's not discuss that first hour, but, you know, afterwards, England's best player on the night, potentially alongside Chloe Kelly, 102 kilometres per hour, that penalty passed Falke. And she meant it, didn't she?
Starting point is 00:30:00 She did leather it. First penalty for England as well, but stepped up when her team needed her This is what she said post match I watched the goalkeeper in every single penalty and she dived quite early and Statistically in a penalty shootout It's quite risky for the goalkeeper to stand still and go down the middle and you're more likely to win if you go first Winning the coin toss played into that. So yeah, I love maths Which which I thought was brilliant.
Starting point is 00:30:27 And I will mention, you know, within this, in fact, after we've given the love to Lucy Bronze for her performance, I will mention in this, you know, the work that the FA have done behind the scenes on penalties contributed to this without a doubt, bar the four terrible penalties, all the other things that had been in place were really important. But Lucy Bronze discussed Johnny Liu. That was, I mean, just the penalty itself was kind of iconic and the way she, I mean, she rips off her strapping as she's walking towards the penalty spot and then she chucks it behind her and then she leathers the ball in and grabs it. And then after every penalty there's a real kind of ritual because the goalkeeper wants
Starting point is 00:31:16 to be the one who hands it to the next player, to the next taker and bronze grabs it and he smashes it into the ground like a wide receiver who's just scored a touchdown. And there was that real kind of simmering, seething anger almost to her all evening. Right for the moment she decides to bomb forward and take that chance and make the run to the back post just in case she gets lucky. And I think that there is something really quite stirring. And there are certain players who just, they want to do their jobs and they want to contribute,
Starting point is 00:31:54 but ultimately when it gets hot, they want to be the one who decides things, which is a really kind of a rare quality for a right back to have. And especially one who's been such a rare quality for a right back to have. And especially one who's been, you know, such a stalwart for England for so many years, has been such a reliable player. But in those moments, yeah, I mean, she was everywhere.
Starting point is 00:32:14 I didn't actually think, you know, she wasn't as bad as the rest of the, you know, some of the, the rest of the defenders in the side in that first hour. I think that there were lots of times where times where sort of Williamson and Greenwood and Hampton and Carter were sort of passing it among each other and Ron just saying, I'm not, I'm in space over here. Just switch it. And they don't quite have the capability to play that 40-yard ball or the baby didn't have the confidence. And then obviously when they went to her through the back, she got released to be a lot more aggressive down that right flank. And that was the key to it because obviously the reason why England had struggled so much during the game itself was that Sweden were basically winning
Starting point is 00:32:54 the battle of the flanks. They were putting a lot of pressure and the fullbacks couldn't link up with the wingers in the way that England intended to and releasing bronze in that second half was, you know, it was a real kind of a game changing moment, I think, not just tactically, but in terms of changing the whole feel of the game and the belief that England could do it. Yeah, just a word about Sweden, Tom. It was a really sad end to Peter Gohertson's tenure and presumably as well some of his playing squad also. I wonder whether he slept last night. Marva said the adrenaline was going but I mean he was probably having nightmares about
Starting point is 00:33:32 not having done a practice penalty session. They were so on the cusp and former Matilda's manager Tony Gustafsson is going to be taking over the reins when he steps down. So where does Sweden go from here? Yeah, he was cross-fallen, Gerhardsen. He said he was going to go back to the hotel and watch the game again, which sounded like torture probably, like a glutton for punishment to endure it all again. And he essentially said he was asked a few times, like, what next? And he just sort of couldn't look any further ahead than just how disappointed he was. Sweden is still going to be a strong force, this isn't like the end of an era, but there
Starting point is 00:34:12 will be some players who surely Aslani won't still be in the core of that team for much longer just for a natural age. Probably another, maybe another tournament for Eriksen. Maybe two vaccineas will still keep going. But it's not like it's the end of an era. They've still got good young players coming through, as we've seen with Hulmberg. They've got players like Benison. They've got a lot more years left in Angledale that there will still be a strong side. It's going to be hard for them to look back on the last decade and understand how they've not won a trophy, like how close they've been. Think about the silver medals in two Olympic Games, consistently in semi-finals and the knockout stages. And I think third in three of the last four World Cups, which when you consider consider them men's team have failed to qualify for three of the last four world cups the contrast is in their performances.
Starting point is 00:35:12 Incredible and they deserve such praise for how i got back from this that the improvement made from twenty twenty two stock and i think they'll improve again. I'm looking forward to seeing how they get on in the next tournament but they will be kicking themselves because you won't get many better opportunities. They knocked out the holders in the World Cup in Australia and New Zealand when they knocked out the USA on penalties and they've gone within a whisker of knocking out the holders here so they go home probably with a huge amount of praise but just they'll be so bewildered and crestfallen as to how they've not gone through so it's going to take a little while to pick themselves up.
Starting point is 00:35:50 Yeah, bewildered is the right word and actually some of the Lionesses players, it was quite interesting watching the celebrations, the younger players in particular all ran over to celebrate and some of the older players, Alex Greenwood, Kira Walsh just stood there kind of shell-shocked in tears. Lucy Bronze very calm. It was really interesting seeing that the range of emotions as that awful penalty was missed by Sweden. Just to round this up we received an email from Jim Hearson. Dear Susie Faye Et al. good luck analyzing that game. Hopefully we gave it a good shot Jim. It was absolutely something else, not necessarily in a good way as well. Abject first half, frustrating second, those two minutes and possibly the worst penalty shootout on
Starting point is 00:36:36 record but it was enough. I'm going to try to be positive. Chloe Kelly changed the game, absolutely. I don't feel like we've given her enough praise actually. Lauren James did it all including superb defensive work and we've got the real Lucy Bronze back no idea what's gonna happen against Italy but you certainly can't call the Lionesses boring can you? No Jim you cannot! Right that's it for part one in part two we'll have a look at the other quarterfinal as Italy saw off Norway in Geneva. Welcome back to part two of the Guardian Women's Football Weekly. So a little bit
Starting point is 00:37:18 of catching up to do again. The quarterfinals started on Wednesday night. Norway and Italy came face to face in Geneva and ultimately it was Italy who booked their spot in a European Championship semi-final for the first time since 1997. It finished Norway 1, Italy 2 thanks to a 90th minute winner from Cristiana Giarelli, her second of the match after a leveler from Arda Hegerberg. Jubilant scenes in Geneva in front of obviously a partisan crowd. You were there Tom, what did you make of the game as a whole? Well Italy thoroughly deserved to win. I was so pleased to see them win because they were the better team and it was such a lovely story as well. Italy, they've been
Starting point is 00:38:03 a really nice story in this tournament. The support for them is growing. The atmosphere in Geneva from their fans was just really heartwarming, and they've got technically really good midfield, Severini, Caruso, Cantore all played very good games against Norway. Then Giurelli, the veteran striker with the two goals in the right place at the right time for both of them is such a deserving player to be the heroine. After the longevity of service she's given the national team, she was really emotional
Starting point is 00:38:38 in the PESC conference afterwards. You could tell how much it meant to them. I thought they were the better team. Norway desperately disappointing. They did have a good spell in the second half when they looked like the stronger side for about 25 minutes and you thought they were going to do it. But overall, they can have no complaints. Italy deserved it. And my only minor concern for Italy now is that the way they were speaking afterwards was as if that was their final, that they'd done it., they were speaking afterwards was as, was as if sort
Starting point is 00:39:06 of that was their final that they'd done it. Like they've made, they've made the semi-final. We've made a first semi-final since the 1990s for Italy women's, Italian women's football. And the tone of it was almost like that. We've done it. This is incredible. So that might work in their favor if they go into the semi-final as a bit of a free-hit with no pressure, but the tone was quite different. There's a risk almost that they feel as though, like, wow, we've achieved everything we wanted to achieve now. Whereas they're good enough to keep going. The way they've been playing, they can cause England problems.
Starting point is 00:39:37 So coming out of a minute perspective, I sort of hope that they don't approach the semi-final as being job done, which was sort of the slight tone of their post-match. They've got a lot to offer in the semi-final with the quality of the football that they played in midfield, particularly with the quality that we saw from Caruso and Cantore. They're a very good team. Yeah, they are. And, you know, Cristiano Giurelli, Mar Marva 35 years old, 12 years with the national team, finished the season as Serie A top scorer with Juventus. She just kind of epitomises the Italians doesn't she? How key was she? Oh so key, you know she could have had that one in the
Starting point is 00:40:18 first half but then that particularly that second one to head her across goal, I just thought such good movement. Lots of question as to why Guru Raiton was marking her in the back post because why have you got the player who scored I think the most headed goals across all five leagues domestically being marked by a very small forward player? That just doesn't make sense. But that's a topic for her in a little bit when we go on to Norway. But yeah, I thought Jolie was brilliant. All throughout the tournament, she's been brilliant. She's led the line where she's needed. We kind of, we brought it up in the preview pod as well in terms of what to look for in Italy. And I was particularly looking at Italy myself and saying that headers, free kicks, set pieces, but also just their physicality and kind of how organized they are,
Starting point is 00:41:11 but then how direct they are. And I think what's really impressed me this tournament is that they've gone beyond that. It hasn't just been, okay, an organized team defensively who have then got this great striker who've taken their chances. I think how they've grown into this tournament and pushed in terms of their wing play, their physicality all over the pitch. I thought against Spain they were brilliant. I know they lost 3-1, and I know it wasn't Spain's full first team, but even so I've seen many teams come up against Spain and do so much worse. And they were really, really giving it to Spain, even in terms of individual battles, physicality wise, I was really impressed with them. And then also just that thing of just like, they know what they're good at. They know they're not going to be, you know, passing it around and passing teams off the pitch. But I thought against
Starting point is 00:41:57 Spain was a perfect example of how they did that, of just playing that ball through. When you don't have Girelli, you've got strikers like Piemonte, who can do a very kind of similar job and just wear defenders out. So yeah, I agree with Tom. I think they could give England a difficult game because I think where they've also been growing is in not just sitting back and being defensively solid. It's how they've grown in their press. And I think you saw that against Norway when they actually stood up and pressed Norway, they caused them problems. And actually where England have really struggled is when teams have been pressing them and not when they've just been in their low block, which is kind of opposite to what England was struggling with before. So I also
Starting point is 00:42:32 just think there's a blueprint there on how to hurt England and what Italy have. If they apply it well, I think they could cause some problems. And if I wasn't a big England fan, I'd be excited to see kind of what they do. Yeah. Your dark horses that you didn't think were going to get out of the group. I said they'd cause some problems. I just didn't know how many problems. Norway remain a conundrum, Johnny. Marva mentioned there, a guru right and starting at left back. I just still don't understand it. And they were passive for large portions of the game, just
Starting point is 00:43:12 one shot on target registered as well. Blame obviously goes towards the manager and will be put at Gemma Granger's door. But we also have to remember that this is not the first time Norway have underachieved on a big stage. Where do they go from here, do you think? Yeah, I mean, it's the eternal conundrum, isn't it? And I think something that has baffled quite a lot of fans who obviously are familiar with the star players and wonder how, you know, a team with such rich individual talent keeps falling short. And, you know, we saw this at the last Euros, we've seen this at actually, you know, consecutive major tournaments. And in a way, guru writing at left back almost encapsulates the issue where you are trying to fit in so much individual
Starting point is 00:44:03 talent that you end up unbalancing the team. I think over the years, it's been increasingly hard to see an identity in how Norway play. You know how Spain are going to play. You know how Sweden are going to play. There is a blueprint there. Italy have a very defined style these days, very tactically rich and based on quick transitions. I don't know how they expect to score apart from maybe give it to Argo and see if she does something with it. There is that element where they have not looked like a team for quite a few years. They've switched between different formations, they've switched between different coaches. I think what really needs to happen now is almost the reckoning that the men's team needed because from their 90s peak, they really slipped down the ladder and they basically needed
Starting point is 00:44:56 to build that team up again from the bottom with very possibly a new pool of talent, you know, a fresh, a fresh tranche of new players and a defined identity, a team that's built around the team rather than, you know, giving it to the big individual players and hoping that they come up with something. Yeah, I think it's a really, really good point. We've said right from the beginning of our preview of the Euros, how do you solve a problem like Norway and and they haven't managed to do it again. Let's look
Starting point is 00:45:29 ahead to Tuesday's semi-final in Geneva where England will face Italy for a place in the final. We've mentioned it a few times and we are going to do a proper preview on Sunday when we look back at the other two semi-finals. What are you most looking forward to Tom, about it? Hopefully not as stressful as the quarter-final. Tom Well, I'm looking forward to seeing whether or not Italy can have the sort of impact in the midfield technically that they have had in their other games, you know, against an England midfield that we know if England are given, if England are afforded space and time,
Starting point is 00:46:06 Walsh would dictate the game and England will be very, very strong. If Italy can stop that happening and get on the ball themselves, you know, and do what they did to Norway and also to Belgium and Portugal, then we could be in for a fascinating game. There'll be a few things to play here. Italy have had 24 hours extra rest. They weren't about, they wouldn't have to travel. They're kind of been in Geneva already. Uh, but you would still, you know, we shouldn't forget that England, England will, will go into it as the heavy favorites that they have got so much more
Starting point is 00:46:40 experience with these semifinals now in their sixth semifinal in a row. I think the atmosphere will be, will be fantastic in that stadium. It's really close to the pitch, unlike Zurich where it's sort of behind this atmosphere sapping athletics track. It's a good tight ground to the stadium. I think it'll be a really good night, but England now will go into it with incredible belief that no matter how badly they might start, they'll still be able to find a way. It will be a huge opportunity for both these sides to get to a final, a massive opportunity because of the way that things have opened up with Spain and France and Germany on the other half. So a big night,
Starting point is 00:47:21 a really big night. Yeah, for sure. Concerns though, Marvva, around Leah Williamson forced off with an ankle injury. It was a nasty role she played on and then ultimately had to come off. She didn't look particularly comfortable in the post-match interviews. I suppose it's just a lot of work for the medical team to get her fit and ready. Yeah, and it's not just her either. I mean, you looked at the whole team by the end of the game and there's bleeding out of one nose and cuts on another face and a black eye still from Lauren James and Lucy Bronze taping up her leg and you just sort of thought even
Starting point is 00:47:58 if we get through, how many players can we even field against Italy at this point? But obviously, yeah, if Leo Williamson's out for the semis and final if we do get through that is a huge blow because not only is it your captain, but that level of experience at centre back, while I say, you know, as May Maugham came on did brilliantly, you would have to shift around that back four a lot. And if you're already looking at the performance of Jess Carter in that game and thinking, is she going to start next game? That's a lot of shifting about to do and you don't want to be having to do that in a semi-final and possibly a final. So hopefully she's okay, but yeah, but even the way she was responding in the
Starting point is 00:48:41 post-match interviews, it didn't seem positive. And hopefully that's she was just being cautious. But I think we're going to see a change in that back line. Mm. Johnny, you know how terrible our predictions are. So I'm leaving it to you, myself, Tom and Marva, as well as Susie, Soph, so many pod regulars get it wrong all the time. So it is down to you, Johnny Liu. How do you see this game panning out? England will be fine. England will be absolutely fine. I mean, I agree with Tom. I was watching the celebrations, the Italy celebrations the other night and I'm thinking that's a team
Starting point is 00:49:18 that's going to lose the semi-final and whoever it's against, to be honest, which is not to downplay Italy's achievement. I think it's huge for Italian football that they have reached this stage. I think it'll project women's football in Italy to an audience that I think has possibly been quite skeptical of it. I think Italy still has a lot more barriers to hurdle in that respect. But yeah, I think they've played their final and England have not yet played theirs. And as much as I see how Italy can theoretically hurt England, I don't see how they can live with them for 90 minutes. Could end up being a do-over if France can beat Spain. Could be a little bookend.
Starting point is 00:50:07 do-over if France can beat Spain could be could be a little bookend. France England in the final which would be fascinating. Right the women's Africa Cup of Nations in Morocco has reached the quarter-final stage this weekend. 11 time Wafcon champions Nigeria faced Zambia on Saturday in a rematch of the third place playoff in 2022. Nigeria top group B two wins in a draw but they didn't concede a goal. Zambia though finished level on seven points with hosts and 2022 runners-up Morocco in group A but ended up finishing second on goals scored and the hosts are favourites going into Friday's last eight clash against Mali who progressed as one of the two best third place teams. Morocco are the joint
Starting point is 00:50:47 highest scorers in the tournament, seven goals for them so far. Jelaine Shebak scored four of them. Tonight as well, Ghana face Algeria. They've also not conceded a goal yet this tournament but they have only scored one as well so I'm not expecting that to be a high scoring game. Finally the defending champion South Africa take on another third place qualifier in Senegal in Rabat. That should be on paper straightforward for the Banyana Banyana, but Senegal, of course, carry a huge goal threat in Nguena and Die. So they could be looking to upset the odds. We'll keep you up to date with what's going on over in Morocco and some domestic news
Starting point is 00:51:25 to wrap up for you as well. Olivia Smith has become the first £1 million signing in Barclays WSL history after joining Arsenal from Liverpool. That is now confirmed. I know we spoke about it on the pod the other day. Aston Villa have signed Netherlands midfielder Jill Byings on a permanent deal for an undisclosed fee. She's joining from Bayern Munich, having spent last season on loan at Villa, their third signing of the summer after the arrivals of defender Lin Vilms and goalkeeper Eli Roebuck. One in, one out as well, or actually two out, more out with Villa, but the WSL's record appearance maker Jordan Nobbs has joined WSL two-side Newcastle United after being released by Villa and more
Starting point is 00:52:05 departures from the Midlands Club with confirmation. Casey Robinson has joined Everson on loan they have the option to buy as well. Right I mean we got through a lot there I feel utterly exhausted not quite as exhausted as I did after that penalty shootout but Johnny lovely to see you as always. Oh yeah thanks. Yeah bye, go back to bed. Yeah I think I will. Marva take care, see you soon. See you soon. Tom please get some rest. I'm off to find my jacket Faye, have a great day, see you soon. Excellent I hope I'm keeping all my fingers crossed for you. Right, we'll be back on Sunday to review the last two quarterfinals and look ahead to the semis. Keep having your say, send in your questions via social media or email us at women'sfootballweekly
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