The Headgum Podcast - 12: The History of Jeans

Episode Date: August 7, 2020

Engineers Mike and Faris join Amir and Geoff to discuss the GOAT podcast mic, house hacking, and the evolution of denim.Advertise on The Headgum Podcast via Gumball.fmRate The Headgum Podcast 5-stars on Apple Podcasts.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

This is a HeadGum Podcast. Amir, do you want to start this episode? Start it? No, I've never started an episode. You're the host. Yeah, let's just switch it up. Because you can look at it two ways. You can look at it as this is inconsistent with how the show normally goes. You already look angry.

You already look so upset. What else is there other than this is inconsistent with how the show usually goes? What's the other option? The other way you can look at it is we're fucking 12 weeks deep Mike so people are you got to hit him with hit him with your best shot and then basically

hit him where it hurts and then like they they're not expecting it it's unexpected and we're all starting the show with the energy of we don't know what's going to happen next ferris i agree really i i would agree with that i don't know what's going to happen right now thank you no one's ever said that on this show that's really good usually it's pretty

straightforward yeah he's coasted this far on no confidence with us as never before is mike comate that's not true really i know you've been on once but i thought that you'd never been in the final cut i mean he was in an episode you hosted a full hour-long episode with mike mike yeah i stayed till the end of your entire rant like you just talked about your life and i did appreciate that i did appreciate that but i just don't know how could you forget something like that no one ever stays with you no that's true and to your last word that's true that's true but not till the very last word because you didn't end up leaving at the end of the diatribe and then i had an outro no one stays till the very end where i stop recording ferris is that whiskey yeah i figured i should just get started

head gum podcast so this show drives you to drink uh yeah yeah usually i saved this um i was showing a mirror and mic this earlier it's uh oh it's log of log of log of all in 16 i usually reserve it for uh special occasions he id'd that whiskey bottle the same way i id'd the microphone when we jumped on the call we should say that we have both of headgum's uh main audio engineers in mike comate ferris monchi on the pod um so with that in mind bear bearing or otherwise it's an audio based podcast paste in a way but there's also a lot of pre-writing that I did that has to do with audio engineering and that wasn't a long walk

that was the shortcut what if I left right now 4 minutes in gone 46 minutes 98% of the episode without me I was this close to pulling the trigger this is the most nervous I've been for an episode and I don't know what I think it's the absence of Marika.

Right. You're rock. You're constant. My conscience. Yeah. Mike, you have a Shure SM7B. That's correct. The Rolex of podcasting equipment.

Not the Rolex at all. Not the Rolex at all. No, the Patek Philippe. Right? Even better than Rolex. I don't know. Ferris, what do you have a blue shock this is snowflake what is it called no no no don't don't lump me into that okay this is a sure

i assure you it's a sure pg-42 nice you're rubbing off on manji and i don't like it we have to quarantine jeff for 10 days after his puns reached you i'm viral i can't help it man i edit this show every week i it just it's seeping in it's just seeping in uh what's the difference between your shore and mike's sure i'm sorry oh are you talking about mike's sure or mike sure the sherlock of the office. Yeah. This is a condenser microphone. Okay.

Um, which is different than Mike. Sure. The person, um, easy to easy to kind of, uh, not see that.

Thank you. But, uh, I, the main difference is that this is a condenser microphone, which has a specific type of pickup pattern it's good for um vocal performances the singing recording instruments um as opposed to mike sure who creates uh television sitcoms okay um yeah that is okay

sorry don't think about it like you said something i'm trying to like because it's a lot of like tech mumbo jumbo it's an obvious not really one's a microphone and one's a person that he said condenser and then he said that the audio mapping and i didn't understand the last i kind of zoned out after that what about the difference between mike's shore and mike shore then it's like we're getting really in the weeds here so mike is a sm7b right yeah same as you same as me and then uh mike shore again is just a comedy writer so can you not do in the disservice of saying he's just a comedy writer because he's also an emmy winner all right he's popular with winner or nominated or both nominated he is emmy nominated he was emmy winning i think uh there's no way he got out of the office without an Emmy or five

Mike you and I talked about microphones the other day I have an Audio-Technica ATX 2021 or something what watch is that? what's that?

what's the one that you find in the box of lucky charms yeah what's the watch the equivalent it's a fucking casio calculator watch that this isn't even a watch it's a locket right so some people have pocket watches which are basically lockets with watches in them this is just a shell of a mic mike you're not a fan of this yeah you're not a fan of this mike no it's fine it's fine it's just it's you think it's overrated no i think it's the implementation of it i think it gets used in a lot of situations that aren't ideal it's like the blue yeti you know i i hate that mic but it's just like a it's very popular mic that gets used in a lot of less

than ideal situations and because of that people's audio suffer for it the same goes for you you're a very popular mic who sometimes gets misused in certain situations that makes people's audios bad so if i send you kind of a file that's just absolutely peaking from this honestly shell of a mic as i said this piece of shit there's nothing you can do with that there's some things I can do with that. Okay. They won't sound good, but... Right. Billy, last week... Sorry. I have a question.

I had a question. That's fine. If this isn't the greatest mic to podcast with, then what is? I'd like to hear from the audio engineers. And at this point, Jeff, you don't have to ask any follow-ups. I know they'll be stupid.

They'll be weird. They'll like, yes, exactly. Zip your mouth. A simple answer or two from Ferris and Mike. I'm curious is all. So let's hear what they have to say. What do you guys think is if I'm at home just like this in my house, specifically this empty-ish room, what's the best microphone I can use? I would say, like, honestly, it is less about the mic i mean yes the mic is important but your room can make or break everything honestly so with that sure sm7b you can get very far just like we did in the the headcount studios with a well-treated room you can go real far with just a standard workhorse mic like that. Um,

I don't know if you really want to go for like pristine vocal quality and Mike, I want to hear what you think about this, but I've, I've enjoyed the Neumann TLM one of three, um, really good for voiceover. Um, your listeners are definitely dropping off by the way, like as we're having this discussion,

just this discussion. Paris, cut this out. Yeah, Paris, please. I'm going to cut this out. Wow, this is a $71,000 microphone. Interesting. Are you serious? You highly recommend this one.

On Sweetwater, you can get it for like $69,000. That's not much less. Free shipping, though. Yeah, no, it's a great... You know what the thing is, though? What you guys are using, the Shure SM7B, it's a dynamic mic. And so it's better at capturing more of what's super close to it and less of the room that you're in. For example, what I'm using is a condenser mic.

It captures much more of the room so you really need like you really need a well-treated room for it so all that's to say dynamic will get most people extremely far in an even okay treated room because your room is less of the equation and that's i think what mike your issue was with this Mike was that it's a condenser and Riley and I do review review on this thing. And we're honestly not careful in ways, you know, I just started,

I started doing the closet thing maybe two or three weeks ago because before that I was doing it in my bedroom. And echoey, bouncing off wood. It was absolute carnage on the edit. I was having to cut good jokes out because there was... I mean, what's the opposite of... Yeah, I wanted to hear what Mike had to say. I don't want to zip your mouth. So let's...

We haven't even heard from Kamite yet. And you're sort of talking about how to describe the audio bouncing off the walls. Figure out your fucking metaphors on your own time. Yep. Got it. Let's hear what Mike thinks is the best mic. The acoustics report, Mike, you have the floor. Ferris, leave that in, I guess.

Yeah. Okay. The best mic is the mic that you have. Whatever mic you have, you know, that's beautiful. God, I can't believe Ferris said an annoyment. Like what was that?

A TLM one Oh three. That's that means nothing. The best mic is the one that you have. That's perfect. So Jeff, let's see your shitty ass microphone again. I guess that's the best mic. It's the audio.

That's the one that you, yeah. ATB 2020. Uh, condenser. is there a light inside of that microphone there's a light there's a light inside of it just for like it's for show it does hum in case you're recording in the dark so you can just know where the mic is because everybody records in a dark room i see the computer screen glowing on your face you You know what? Ferris, take it away. Take it away. With what? What would Ferris do round two?

Absolutely what would Ferris do? These are only for Ferris, but Mike and Amir, chime in. That'll be chine. Number one, every time you wash your jock straps, they seem to get bigger. It has to be. What would Fer to get bigger it has to be what would Ferris do? it has to be what? it had to be big girl then

last time what am I using the jock straps for like what am I playing? everyday use so basically you're going to and from the office this is covetous all these questions are covet aside so don't think about how covet would affect your everyday jock straps but um i won't you're so you wash them and every time you kind of put them on it's

like why is there a little extra room in front it has to be that the strap is getting bigger you know what i mean not like me getting smaller that that would be like an initial concern that can't be it because if that's it then i have to like i have to go see a urologist probably yeah yeah um i don't know if i if i use if i just wear it daily like go into the head gum studios wearing the jock strap all the time um and i'm conflating a jock strap with a cup maybe i don't know the difference but i imagine myself huh okay yeah i would probably pair it with a cup and i'm imagining myself just being like just a really frustrating engineer to deal with that head gum and so i just walk in with a cup prepared for just you know in case i i tick anyone off they can just

or in fact you know some hosts need to like let out some steam so i'm like i got you dude listen you can kick me as hard as you want in my dick and balls and that'll be fine wow wow that's actually really let's see earwolf match that right but impossible they might not want to it's not a matter of if they could or not to answer the question though um penile enhancement for sure just like just just keep catching up yeah just so that you don't have to buy new trucks opa manchi style more than anything okra manchi style how do you prepare your okra what would happen i'm not I'm not sure. Do we have to do anything here? Are you just interviewing Ferris? I said chime in if you want.

Do you guys want to tell? Yeah, your side of it. The game is called What Would Ferris Do? But anybody can answer. Yeah, I'm going to need some help. I'm going to tag you guys in. As Ferris? We're answering.

Don't answer as me because only my mother has cooked okra for me. I've never actually worked with it myself. So answer as you guys. What would you do? Someone you barely know gives you a very expensive gift what would ferris do slash what would everybody do let's pull the room in a way oh gosh yeah i have some thoughts but someone else i guess i would keep the gift i don't know what are you asking like if somebody gave me like a car or something yeah a car a necklace like a really rare like amulet like some kind of like

thing that was clearly excavated from an ancient Egyptian cave like an Indiana Jones type scavenge hunt in a way so someone just kind of runs up to you on the street and they said take good care of this and they give it to you and they like put it in your hand your palm and then close your palm over the amulet right keep or or a car yeah keep it i would probably keep

it until something went wrong in my life and then blame the amulet and just try to get rid of it burn it in a fire or something like that ferris oh me i would just feel obligated to buy them something back and that would be very frustrating i mean different but i just held on to my answer from like two minutes ago i should have probably piggybacked but that's mike i agree with you i would definitely the amulet is cursed but this is only one scenario like the car could be cursed too or also just like drive really smooth if i got into an accident i would say i would blame the person who gave it to me i'd say this never would have happened if they hadn't given me this goddamn beautiful car.

Somehow the other guy who was in the accident also blames. Yeah. He would say, I would, you wouldn't be here if it wasn't for that person. And so basically any gift I get, I wait for it to go wrong. And then I, and then I'm upset whoever gave it to me. Damn. That's kind of a bad mantra to have what about this Ferris mantra

so it's you and you're kind of like repeating something during a silent meditation what about that that's your question what about this I'm just saying what about it I don't know what it could be something or not we're spitballing it's like a writer's room

Mike Schur style. It's not something. It's not something. Not yet. I'll answer it. Yes. Not ever. Next question.

When I was growing up. How old is Pervera's fucking okra? Did we ever get back to that, by the way? He said that his mother's the only one who's made him okra. And then he asked your guys' opinion. Deafening silence for Mike. Sure. SM7B.

All right. You get offered $200,000 a year, salaried, but it's a very boring job. It's somewhere shitty. What would Ferris do? Slash everybody. Ferris would suck it up for a year or two. No, no, no, no.

And then take like a really epic trip. Ten year contract. That way he would break it. Oh God. A ten year contract. He'd break it. I was going to go with what Amir was saying, to and then take like a really epic 10-year contract that way oh god a 10-year i was gonna go with what amir was saying stick it out for a year or two just uh get into real estate after that like quit the job and just use that money just be kind of just set myself up a 10-year contract you're talking about house hacking you're talking about getting like a duplex or triplex living in one of the units and then the other units kind of pay for your living expenses. You know what's up

Jeff. I like this. We should talk about this sometime. I want to do that. We should get into it now. Yeah. We can talk about house hacking. I had like nine other what would Ferris's do but my goal in life is on my 30th birthday to put a down payment down on a

multifamily property. In LA or could it be like in like Arlington, Texas where it's like $71,000 for that? Well, I could probably do that sooner than that. So you're talking about doing it like in a city you'd want to live in? Yeah, where I would live in one of the units. And you call that house hacking? It sounds like it's just being a landlord. It's like one of the most basic things in real estate. You're talking about hacking.

It's like I'm not hacking the Nintendo by playing it. You're just owning property and renting it out. That actually reminds me what about have you guys ever clothes hacked? So basically getting like a piece that you might have for a while. So you're buying a sweater. I have a blue blazer. Yeah that's not hacking. Yeah do you mean just like a long term

You're just buying a shirt or a jacket. Like a high quality shirt that'll last several years like have I ever done that once you finally kind of grow out to the size you think you might be like you're not getting taller like you're working out so you're not gonna get bigger or smaller you're not losing weight you're not gaining weight

that's when you get the good jacket that's when you go in for a a Hugo a Zenya Mike the good jacket that's when you go in for a hugo a xenia um mike yes god damn it you just moved tell us about your house hacking experience it was uh bad um i got movers for the first time ever i've've never, I never hired movers to move. I've always just had friends come and help me or rented a truck myself and driven it over. That's a big step. That's a big step towards being an adult is the hiring of movers versus.

That's exactly what the mover said to me. Cause I was standing outside the truck, kind of just sitting there with my, like kind of pacing back and forth, watching them lift heavy boxes and furniture. And I was like, is there anything i can do right now to make this easier like i got him water and everything like that and i just the guy goes no man you're good and i go sorry this is my first time hiring movers i just don't know what to do with myself right now and he goes he looked at me and he goes you're an adult now this one's that got the next box are you still in brooklyn heights no i'm not go on us let's do a thing where you try and name the next box. Are you still in Brooklyn Heights? No, I'm not. Go honest. Let's do a thing where you try and name the celebrity who lives nearest to me right now.

I'm in Park Slope now. Oh, you're in Park Slope? Yeah, North Slope. Mark Ruffalo. Blake Lively has a spot over there, right? Blake Lively and Ryan Reynolds? I don't know the answer. I'm asking you. I know Buscemi lives near me. Oh, yeah, then Buscemi.

Obviously Buscemi. Steve? I've seen him on 7th Street before. Or 7th. Yeah. 7th Street. Jeff actually does a really good Buscemi. Do the thing where it's Buscemi trying to order pizza, but it's just a salad place. That's where I saw Buscemi.

Yeah. Do Buscemi at Just Salad. And he's trying to order a pizza. A full pizza pie. Hey, guys. Can I get a pizza pizza what do you mean shut the fuck up donnie that was a movie i did oh you know what i'm thinking of somebody else okay yeah i have another buddy that does the impression sorry about that i don't know why

i put you on this no i did it pretty well though so it's like now you have two buddies who can do it yeah that was awful i forgot that uh my other my other buddy could do the impression that was one of the worst things i've ever heard your grandfather says something bigoted at thanksgiving dinner but he's sort of on his last legs so what would ferris do do you let him have it or do you let him have it you let him have it yeah which one yeah you yeah you let it slide yeah he's you're not gonna change his mind yeah exactly that's that's part of it and you gotta think about ways yeah set in his ways you gotta wonder

a little bit how weird we're going to be to a couple generations out from now you know what what are some weird things that might stick with us that make a lot of sense right now. I wonder, you know, so that would suck to just, to just have my grandson dig into me every, every holiday season. I would fucking rail into him. Racism has no part at my family dinner. I don't care if you're 98, I'm going to let you have it. I'm going to, I'm going to pull up a PowerPoint and just show him exactly explicitly, though his days on this earth are numbered. It would feel so good. He has to be vehemently anti-racist now more than ever. And I'm going to make him,

I will teach an old doc new tricks and I will berate that old bastard in front of his entire fucking family if that's what it takes. He has heart problems. I will shove him. He has heart problems. I will shove him out of the living room onto the ground because I have zero tolerance towards hate speech. Shoving him is risky though because he has like bone density issues because he doesn't get enough zinc because he stopped eating meat because of his cholesterol.

So it's kind of like a catch 22. If he eats the meat, zinc goes away. Strong bones. If he doesn't eat the meat, can't really digest it. Cholesterol goes up. Dies from heart disease and you chef him because you could just educate him calmly about anti-racism you don't have to push him out of the room into a different room basically starting a wwf style brawl using the couches as like the ring right it's just that last thanksgiving he kind of beat the shit out of me so i really feel like now i have carte blanche access to hit the old man with a chair when he's

what did you say that made him beat the shit out of you i accidentally used an antiquated term and he was kind of offended by that and uh so you're the bigot he sort of bossed me around yeah and then he almost killed you what do you mean bossed you around he shoved me he pushed me out of the living room and you know i have that bone density thing so i fell down and kind of like i cracked my so when you texted shoulder blade trying to get sympathy you're trying to elicit sympathy you said hey my grandfather's really going through the ringer right now and you text me all that shit about the bone density thing the cholesterol that was all you yes the cholesterol and the bone density were me the grandfather beating the shit out of me that

was him yeah yeah sorry to hear thank you you use euphemisms to kind of save yourself from embarrassment you told me that you moved willingly but i i saw the eviction notice on your desk yeah i said i had i moved willy nilly yeah but i couldn't pay my mortgage that month or the month before that property taxes either i guess i guess i'm i've been house hacked out of my current property is what i'm trying to say that's the saxophone debtor's prison debtor's prison debt or alive because if i have the too much dead, I'm going to be dead. Nice. This show is sponsored by BetterHelp.

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We know that you're a musician so here it is you can be the best musician on the planet compared to lennon mccartney dylan whoever you want whoever your idols are people think you are the new version of but you have to make an insanely public speech against veterans basically campaigning for them not to have medical benefits what would ferris do and you can't no public apologies no pr team nobody's helping you yeah that's just like i need to take on that persona like that is who i am i'm very anti-veteran for the rest of my musical career. Oh my God. It's yeah.

And it's not, it's not a stance like, Oh, you're anti-war. You're pro war, but anti-veteran. You think they just shouldn't come back? Also pro war.

Yeah. Okay. Okay. Yeah. It's like a kamikaze situation. It's like anyone who goes out. It's a kamikaze situation. That's how public it is you're

at san diego comic-con okay press coverage is unbelievable i mean he's flipping me off for this prompt doesn't seem fair all right i can't i i feel bad saying it so from now on whenever i'm mad at you i'll just give you the bird that way it's like you you feel my anger but i'm not derailing the episode should i've held back on saying dick my anger but i'm not derailing the episode should i've held back on saying dick and balls earlier i'm like no that's great okay cool yeah um yeah man god it's like be terrible and be tom york or just keep being exactly who i am um I'd go for it I don't have like too many horses in the game I would just go for it

I would just shit all over veterans and become Tom York of Radiohead we have two of HeadGum's main audio engineers on the call and Amir and Amir you have ears the game is called Name That Sound And Amir. And Amir, you have ears. The game is called Name

That Sound! You guys' whole job revolves around your ears. So, I'm gonna play various sounds, and the first person to get the sound right, now granted, it might not be exactly what you expect,

wins. Let's do it feel free to chime in at any point whenever you have it the static is throwing me off at first. I don't know if that's intended. I think that's just Jeffrey did not play it so that we could hear it clearly. So the static was just a byproduct of what his recording capacity was or something. Are you playing sound into the microphone? It sounds so faint. It sounds like an ambulance in the distance driving through a crowd or something. Incorrect.

It's a diesel air conditioning unit. So was that stop and start part of it, or was that just your audio? Can you hear this? Dog drinking water. That's true. All right, here we go. Seinfeld. Frasier. Mork and Mindy laughter in a robin williams way a mirror final answer it

sounded like you fell down or farted in public and people were laughing at you did you fall down at a restaurant and that's like everybody laughing at you or something you know how fucking humiliating it is to go to your favorite restaurant during a global pandemic no mask indoors and then the reason why people ridicule you is not because you're not wearing a mask it's because you farted yourself awake after falling asleep in a bowl of penne you okay is that what the audio is no the audio was a laugh track for mork and mindy i humiliated myself at m italian in sugar and falls ohio got it you farted yourself awake and in a bowl of fucking spaghetti man it was like it was spicy fusilli on the table for the table

for the road i got it to go you said i You said, you said it was penne. Then you said it was spaghetti. And now you're saying it's fusilli. What shape was it? It was ravioli, but I, in some weird way, it ended up being noodles. I took it to go.

So I wasn't indoors. I'm, that was a joke. I would be irresponsible of me to make a joke out of this COVID situation, but I did take it in the car and started eating it. Fell asleep at the wheel in the pasta dish. Farted myself awake in front of a lot of people. How?

You were in the car driving food. How did you wake yourself up in front of a lot of people? I was at a light. I was at a stoplight in a major intersection. Windows down. Mask on. Fucking mask on. We're like 14 children on the side of the road laughing at me, pointing, laughing.

My crush was across the street. Got it. Fucking move on. What do you want from me? I understand. Last sound. Last sound. Mario Kart.

The countdown. Mike? Sounded like a D. That was a D on a piano. Mario Kart, the countdown. Mike? Sounded like a D. That was a D on a piano. Do you have perfect pitch, Mike? Relative, but yeah. All right, let's hear a G.

A G? Yeah. Does that mean you can just recognize it or you can actually, you can produce that note? I can produce it. Whoa. Relative is like, I don't know. You can hear a pitch and pretty much guess what it is but i can i i i can if you give me a note i can probably huh well no that's that's that would be perfect pitch if i could just hear that but oh you can't i don't know okay forget it forget it

name this name that sounded not go as according to flan i thought you guys would be able to do basically perfect pitch but for sound effects and for that honestly this is the first and only time i'll concede that segment was not up to par slash my standards and i apologize to all that was one of the best ones we've had it was a clear game that we all partook in yeah every one of your other ideas has been awful that one was fine all right what yeah what what let's hear that last one again because ferris guessed mario kart nobody else got to guess i can't hear these by the way i don't know why but somehow through loopback i can't hear any of these you have it unchecked and you have it checked as muted and under the drop down and loopback really oh you mean mute when capturing

yeah no i don't uncheck that you don't oh waitcheck that. You don't? Oh, wait, maybe I do. Yep, that was it. That was it. Okay, here we go. New final one. New final one. Okay, here we go. Ferris, this one's a gimme for you.

Seems too simple, right? Seems too obvious. Is it a chickadee? Close. It's a bluebird in a beard bath very close very scalding hot here we go i'll give the this is a hint blackbirds blogging about the alt right what it's a fucking a racist blackbird who writes for bright fart freelance or something absolutely right i'm here you fucking nailed it on the head so it's uh yeah it's a maga crow in a way all right here's some real conversation starters if you could only wear one outfit for the rest of your life what would it be t-shirt and sweats assuming the temperature would be

comfortable wearing it at all times yeah like the temperature temperature aside but just keep in mind that this is what you have to wear to like lounge around in and what you'd have to wear to like your wedding yeah really gonna strike a balance right right so Amir's answer was

poor at best I would the word I want to use I don't think I should. Go for it. I would do a nice soft crew neck sweatshirt. On bottom would be the best fitting denim you've ever seen, cuffed above or at the ankle, and then wearing a beat-up old pair of white shoes and or boots the jury's still out on that

one a watch to you wear boots for the rest of your life you don't sleep in them you can sleep in whatever naked or in the clothes so I can wear the sweatshirt to lounge jockstrap on the bottom obviously the ever expanding kind

the ever expanding kind and that's the ever-expanding kind um and that's it jeff you gotta watch out for i mean that look is awesome right now like the uh the rolled up denim jeans but you gotta wonder when that's gonna be so not it right have you thought about that would you just roll them down uh do you want to preemptively get into bell bottoms like do you want to change your answer and no that's a good question because that's like 20 30 bell bottoms you never know you think you think bell bottoms in 2030 2032 you might be right i i mean denim has changed so much it's obviously started as work wear in the early 20th century a lot of rail workers while everyone else in the cities were wearing tweed obviously um 60s was when the bell

bottoms and kind of straight cut was the best obviously and then 80s was that regular fit that high-waisted thick ass bruce springsteen style is. What are you doing right now? Just taking us through. Yeah. The history of jeans. Anyone who grew up going to Catholic church will understand that little jingle. And then in the thousands, it was very thick, right? Selvage in a way.

Pretty wide. Bape. A bathing ape style thick hard and then you saw the shift kind of like towards the end of the aughts like you have 2009 2010 kind of first of all you had the financial crisis

which transitioned us into stripping things down in a way like your finances a lot of people foreclosed skinny denim all the day and now we're in this kind of slim J.Crew 484 universe that we're living in but I do think it's a return to the

classics and I think the Bruce Springsteen and he left we were fucking left for that Bruce Springsteen style denim is what we're kind of seeing now but low rise which for me works better on my thighs so i think that i think it's a safe bet and i think that you can also style like there's no

rule that saying you can't roll anything up like or cuff up or down so i'm sticking with my crew next sweatshirt jeans converse i like it i'm gonna go with a casual three-piece suit because there's so many layers you can take off right you can strip it down to just the shirt um i'm comfortable getting married in that i'm comfortable i'm gonna learn to be comfortable around the house uh in a vest in a vest yeah yeah but if you want to go swimming what happens when you want to go swimming can you strip down to your underwear in this situation yeah so you'd have to swim in underwear

down to the jock strap I mean that's what bathing suits are they're just underwear I don't think so I mean they're pretty constructed when you get them wet they keep their shape versus if you're wearing boxer briefs and you get them wet they they keep their shape versus if you're wearing boxer briefs and you get them wet, they're going to completely form to your

rod. Yeah, they're pretty much like mesh panties with shorts attached. Yeah. I used to think why don't women just wear their bras and panties when they go swimming? And it's because oftentimes they're thin, sheer,

lace, whatever you call it um versus their bathing suits waterproof and thick you know what do you think mike what are you rolling with for the rest of your life jeans and a button down probably that's that's it you know no shoes no underwear even so you can't swim no i can swim i'm just not going to swim in anything largely illegal but fair largely illegal yeah i i just saw a tiktok of uh with a woman who was wearing a bathing suit but it was a thong bathing suit and she got arrested for that because they were saying she was nude and she was like this is where i have this was i think in like palm beach or something or myrtle

beach one of those kind of southern beaches was she in like a convenience store or something like that no she was on the beach it was it was pretty crazy but i'm hoping that it gets toward to some people who like are for some for whatever reason against black lives matter but pro women's asses out in public so then they'll like like a particular sect of douchebags who now will be in favor of defunding the police. Now they've gone too far in this guy's eyes. All right, we got to wrap this up. I had another segment.

I'm going to condense microphone it into... The Audio Thunderdome. So now that I've got just the audio engineers, what podcast that you edit would you most like to guest on? Newcomers. They're watching Lord of the Rings right now. And sort of as homework, I've had a good buddy of mine who's a total geek for that franchise sort of introduce me to it.

And I love it, like really yeah i'm brand new to both like i'm never been a star wars guy they did star wars in season one and star wars never really got me so i didn't think lord of the rings would i don't know i'm not good with like fantasy worlds i'm more like things grounded in reality i guess which is weird to say because it's more like like the walking dead is not grounded in reality i guess which is weird to say because it's more like like the walking dead is not grounded in reality you know but but it's like but it's like a world that we kind of know and then it's right it's an amalgamation of it you know it's it's cities that you know versus yeah tattooing the names really throw you off is what i was learning

but anyways lord of the rings is awesome so I would love to just catch up with them and yeah, just talk Lord of the Rings. It's a good time. Hell yeah. Probably Dead Eyes because I have a Tom Hanks story. Would you like to tell it here or would you like to save it on the podcast? I'll tell it here because I'm literally never going to be

a guest on my own podcast. Yes, let's hear this. So before working at at head gum full time i worked for a large electronics manufacturer um which will go unnamed but they do have uh dedicated stores where i was a customer service representative uh in your squad sure why not it wasn't that but we'll call it that um and so uh no matter what in retail whether you're customer support or sales you end up uh becoming a salesperson first for training purposes whether it's a month or something like that and so i was on the sales floor just hanging

out you know getting reverse shadowing where the person just kind of makes sure like they stand over your shoulder and playing clothes and watch you interact with the customer and see how you're doing and then give you feedback afterwards. And I am, you know, sweating bullets for that reason that I'm being watched and it's my first interaction with a customer. And, you know, I'm just doing like helping them with the accessories or something on the wall. And I see the person who's shadowing me kind of like giving me like, like wide eyes, like I'm doing something wrong or like something's going on. And I'm just like really freaking out like internally and trying to finish the sale or whatever the interaction finishes. And the person who's shadowing me pulls me to the side and just says, so like, um, I want

to let you know that was a great interaction. You know, you did a great job, everything like that. Um, I just want to tell you, I didn't want to freak you out during the experience but right you were you were actually back to back with tom hanks for the entire time and apparently he was just like in a trench coat right behind me just at the accessories wall just pulling stuff off of it and just holy shit yeah and i was at the time i had a friend this is this is probably seven years ago or something like that so i had a friend who was super obsessed with Tom Hanks. And if I had known and turned around and just been face to face with him, I wouldn't have, I probably would have lost my job in that one moment during training.

But that's my, that's my one moment. Yeah. Amazing. That's a pretty good Tom Hanks. It sounds like he was in full incognito now with the trench coat. I imagine there's like black, no top hat.

He wasn't full bridge of spies or whatever. Okay. Gotcha. Gotcha. Yeah. He wasn't. bridge of spies or whatever okay gotcha gotcha yeah he wasn't that so he was reverse shadowing you as well he was yeah he was actually the final verdict on whether i became a salesperson and i did not become a salesperson i would love if if he ever does come on dead eyes and you are you do have a voice on the show for that episode and you tell him that story and he's like oh yeah you were that fucking horrible salesman at that best buy nine years ago you god i just remembered specifically thinking this guy's gonna lose his job just flop sweating when trying to find the

right size lightning cable on the wall how could you do that probably spend most of his time just observing your eyes see if they're dead see if you'll get the part oh that's good he actually fired he would have fired me and replaced me with somebody else same style well guys this this marks it this is the the first episode of the head gum podcast where everybody stayed till the very end and i want to reward you guys for it at all there's no you left for the outro you left for the outro you left right after the diatribe didn't stay for the outro i'd like you guys to a plug any do you have anything to plug yeah i'll plug my my music old best friend and go listen to that on apple music or spotify or wherever like rock and roll music what type of

what's a what's a comp just so people can like visual audio visualize i get a lot of weaker thens comparisons like indie rock yeah weaker thens comparisons. Like indie rock? Yeah, weaker thens, long winters, something like that. Dirty projectors? A little less of that. For sure. So not that at all. Not that, no. Projectors.

What about MGMT? Less dancey. I'm just going off of what band I think you are already in. Okay. You got the hair, right? For now, yeah. And the can don't attitude. I don't want the hair to be long.

I want it to be cut oh dude you should you should do what I did I holy shit you got a wiffle I had a full Britney moment I thought you were gonna take your hat off and then just flowing Fabio locks no no no the locks are what I lost they were getting out of control man you're the lockless monster oh wait the lockless monshi all right that's my new slack my new slack name you gotta send before and after photos and then change your name right after to the lockless monshi yeah i like this um ferris would you like to plug anything yeah on that note uh i also make music it's just under my full name ferris monchi you can find me anywhere if you want some comps i'd say radiohead some chet faker um i don't know arcade fire maybe

you know indie rock a little bit of electronic so everything i said for mike is more applicable to your music yeah what you said for mike is everything I aspire to be like I want to be MGMT someday fuck alright um and then I guess I'll plug Review Review um and uh why are you stressed about that why are you stressed about that

I feel this immense amount of pressure caving in these walls have gotten kind of thinner and thinner uh A New Hope style and I need to get out of this because i'm so scared you guys are gonna leave you guys wrap the episode up you guys wrap the episode up i'm gonna leave and i want to see what you guys kind of do with it well mike here we are i don't know about you but i was left on my own once and that was not a good feeling i was just talking about my wisdom teeth getting pulled have you ever done that

gotten my wisdom teeth pulled or pulled somebody else's wisdom um let's start from the top like have you had yours pulled yes have you pulled someone else's up i can't answer that legally yeah i'm like watching your eyes to see if you're going for the leave button on the zoom this is almost like a standoff if you will no we're not we're not gonna leave we're not gonna do what they did we're gonna we're gonna finish this together we're gonna agree to hang up at the same time and just like normal people do on zoom call okay yeah okay yeah so i guess it's me the zoom window is just closed because everybody left so here we are again or let me try to take over sort of let me just embody sort of jeff's uh general vibe at the end of these when he's abandoned

fuck all right um this has been one of the worst hours of my entire life um thanks for listening i guess i can't believe they did this to me again alright rate and review let's keep this catastrophe running please I need a here we go

okay alright okay all right cheers everybody That was a HeadGum Podcast.