The Headgum Podcast - 162: Lunch and Learn

Episode Date: July 21, 2023

Amir, Marika, and Brad join Geoff for a "lunch and learn" session where Geoff dives into topics such as time management, team bonding, and more (for some reason). Advertise on The Headgum Podcast via Gumball.fm Rate The Headgum Podcast 5-stars on Apple Podcasts Rate The Headgum Podcast 5-stars on Spotify Join the Headgum DiscordSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

this is a head gum original previously on the head gum podcast done but before that what about y2r y2r yeah you're to rank is that just the yeah that's just an acronym you're not saying that to me I mean

she doesn't have to expound on it but I think deep down we know the real what it really means if it is pointed don't sneeze on the mic you're too revolting. Welcome to another edition of the HeadGum Podcast. It's a very special themed episode. I don't know what else to say.

Do you guys have your snacks and lunch ready? like I asked? no what do you mean no not yet or no you won't have anything for this episode? both not yet or ever for this episode to eat and Marika left

I went to go get a lunch pail okay great is that Asteroid City? Yeah. That's cool. Welcome to the lunch break episode, guys. You didn't ask me if I had a snack. Do you have a snack? I do.

I do. I have a little bowl of trail mix. Nice. Okay, so this is gonna, the title of this episode is Lunch and Learn. The title is Lunch and Learn. You're co-opting the conversation already. Just let it happen. I'm co-operating. You're not.

We are all operating on a co-level to create content. We are a co-op. Exactly right. And like a co-op, it's time to learn and grow and change. Why are we listening to the wee sound? Because there's so much dead air in this shit man so i'm trying to like fill the space so that it feels more like a discussion do you want something else no i'm into it anything i love it this music calms me all right uh here we

go fucking and then we're gonna get into some shit this but this do you guys have anything that you want to talk about in terms of, you don't have any thoughts about Lunch and Learn, that being the title of the episode and the whole theme? It's called Lunch and Learn. Do you know what that means? I'm excited to, yeah, we all, Brad, I'm sure, has been to a Lunch and Learn. Right.

Yeah, my old company used to do a lot of them. And your new one does too, because here we are at a Lunch and learn. Right. Yeah. My old company used to do a lot of them. And your new one does too because here we are at a lunch and learn. This is a company show. I'm a company man. Man. And guess what else? What? It's time to lunch and learn.

So what are you teaching us something? You don't inspire. He's gone. Also, also not an employee. We have to give him something because now SAG is on strike. I forgot my coffee. I'm actually going to be right back too.

Yeah, that's more than fair. Marika, when do you come to LA? Wednesday. Perfect. Just in time for me to go to New York. Are you going for Avital's show? We're going basically for a week next week, and then she's going off to Europe,

and I'm going back to L.A. Nice, nice, nice. Are you going to see any shows? Yeah, I want to see Six. See Ann Juliet. I mean, you should see Six. Six is fun, but see Ann Juliet. Okay,. See and Juliet. I mean, you should see six. Six is fun, but see and Juliet. Okay, so six and Juliet.

Six and and Juliet. And Juliet, of course. Oh, he's back. Do you get your lunch? I tried to use the mic arm again, and it doesn't fit the table. All right. Flaccid mic arm. Do you have your lunch?

I have my lunch. What are you guys eating? Let's just start off with that because everybody likes food. So before we get into the team building, the learning, the growing, the changing, again, this is a company show, so I feel like this is the time to get better as a company, as a team, and to learn a little bit about several topics that we'll get into. But before we start that, what do you guys have to eat? I can go through what's in my lunch pail sure okay and if it's not food then we're

gonna start maybe with listening to directions would be a good place to start i think um so i have this uh sanding sponge what's that for is that for grinding down your teeth to like a nub? Yeah, pretty much. This DeWalt staple gun. Okay. Is that for getting your roommate to leave your room? No, it's more, it's for like packing up my food in its box. Because I hand make every, when I make food for lunch I put it in a little wooden box

and I staple it together. You put food in a box? Sure. Sure or yeah? That's not like a casual answer thing. That's insane. You're doing carpentry on a daily basis. Glue sticks.

Okay. Is that a snack? It's like cheese sticks. True. And staples. Okay, is that a snack? It's like cheese sticks. True. And staples. Okay, so for the staple gun. Yeah, I was worried about that. We're not starting from a good place.

Let's just continue. Amir, what do you have? What is so thick and dense that you're playing with? It looks like rubber cement. The viscosity. It's got to be like ice cream, right? Or like an acai bowl that was frozen for an extra hour. That's exactly it.

How did you know? Yeah, because it was too cold. Right. So I did the work ahead of time rather than you guys showing up empty-handed. Right. There's nothing more backyard than a bowl. Is that fair to say? I like acai bowls, so I'm saying this from a

place of love, but is it like the nutritional equivalent of eating a pint of ice cream for breakfast? Like, chemically, if you break it down, is it just like a thousand grams of sugar and then nothing else? I don't think so, because you're getting a lot of fiber from all the fruits and also

from the granola. And there's definitely a lot of sugar for sure, but it's all coming from natural sources instead of like adding sugar to cream, which other than maybe a little bit of protein doesn't have a lot of nutritional value. This has a, you know, antioxidants and shit.

How much sugar do you think is in that? Like more or less than a can of Coke? It's definitely, I think it's probably more than a can of Coke, but not that much more. I wonder if it's like, like if it was yogurt-based, would that be better? If it was like yogurt and...

Then it would have probiotic. We're getting away from the point of this fucking episode. I don't think we are. We're talking about your lunch. And we're learning. We're learning only about the lunch. Yeah. That's all we're learning about.

Well, it's been five minutes. All I wanted to say, it's been seven, is that there's nothing more backyard than a bowl. And you did. Brad, what's your granola made out of? We got some almonds.

There's some M&Ms. A couple raisins. A lot of peanuts. Heavy on the peanuts. Is that a Trader Joe's trail mix? No, I'm not a Trader Joe's girly. I find it overwhelming. Time management.

Time management, let's talk about it. How do you guys manage your time? And maybe I can help you out. You probably can't because you're famously really poor at managing your time. Some days you don't show up at all, and if you do, you're infamously late. I'm always on time. You're constantly running behind. That's true.

What was that? This is coffee. I'm definitely always running behind, but for records, I'm the first one here. The Zoom meeting starts. Well, you kind of have to be. You're the host. But I am. I have to be and I am. You have to do a lot of things and you do.

That's what time management is all about. Yeah, but one time you took the call for a recording from your car. So that's because I was right. That's one time. That's one time two years ago. Yeah. And I still made it there.

The last episode you had to end early because you said you had to go to thousand Oaks, but you were running late. That was a thousand Oaks. Yeah you were running late. To buy a Thousand Oaks. Yeah. What did you actually do there? I ended up at Ikea. What about a Thousand Oaks dressing?

That's actually really good. That's actually really good. Eating lunch during a record. That's an example of good time management. I don't know about that. How do you figure? People don't like hearing it. People don't like hearing it, but also I think even though it is good for using your time in other places,

it's bad for your general demeanor and attitude towards work. Why is that? Because I'm gnawing on raw banana? Ew. Okay. Absolutely. I fear you might crash because you're eating a lot of sugar. Inhaling sugar. And by the end of the episode, you might crash because you're eating a lot of sugar. Inhaling sugar.

And by the end of the episode, you might be dragging. What about you guys? Everybody wants to talk about my shit. Everybody wants to criticize my time management. Brad, what's your schedule normally like? Like my work schedule? Yeah, work-life balance. I'm actually very organized.

I block my time out. Well, before this, you were saying that you were neglecting your relationship, right? You're not making enough time for your betrothal. I did not. I did not say that at all. We have a very strong relationship. We've been married for over seven years. Right, but I would...

I would kindly ask you to keep my wife's name out your fucking mouth. I didn't say her name. And to be honest, I don't think I know it. Keep my wife's name out your fucking... Bad time management. This pause is pregnant for no reason. I thought it's really cool. Because he kind of looked like he froze.

And then it was like a little menacing. What is this? I came up with a themed episode, Lunch and Learn. Because this is a company podcast. I said I'm a company man. And what are we doing? We're talking about Brad's fucking wife. What's her name?

Sandy? Yeah. Shandy. Shandy Hill. Summer shandy summer it's a hot summer shandy summer so sorry you're heating up summer shandies in the summer boiling hot amir you're planning a fucking wedding you texted us at 11.20 Saying bring a lunch or a snack To the record You didn't text me

That's not lunch time for you, Marika Not enough time That's absolutely ample time to get something for lunch I said why You didn't respond I said no Didn't have to respond For you to just follow directions

And now it's a themed episode because you fired off a text 40 minutes. Lunch and learn. When would you rather I fucking text you to get lunch? Yesterday. It's noon. You weren't planning on getting lunch and 40 minutes isn't enough time for you to get lunch? No, I'm not planning

on eating during the show. I've never done that before. I'll probably eat after. Kind of interesting, right? Kind of interesting to do that. But you weren't selling it. You were just telling me to do it. Communication skills. This is a good segue.

I thought that that was good, but I think that the benefits of effective communication in the workplace cannot be overstated. What are you guys think that you could do better on in terms of communication? I'll start. I think I could maybe text what 20 minutes earlier. If I text too soon, you're going to forget that that's what is even happening. If I texted you at 9 a.m. this morning, you would not have had a lunch.

That's true. Because again, I don't think it would be good if we were all eating while talking. And it's less like the time window of texting and more just like you didn't give any context. You didn't explain why. Big reveal. Big reveal.

Remember when I showed my ass on the show? That was a big reveal. People loved it. So what about this? Lunch and Learn was a big reveal. I feel like you guys were floored. Marika's texting. Marika's emailing. Or playing video games or something. I can't tell.

I'm sending an email. That's not focus or preparedness. I'm sending an email and I would say good communication is like including every body in the conversation. And you weren't really including me because you're talking about West Coast stuff. That's true. That's true. You know what? That's a good note.

That's the first good note that I've received so far. Ever? Today. Today's lunch and learn. Do you know what a lunch and learn is it's team building it's where you have lunch and you learn about shit how to make the company more cohesive and good kind of I'm buying say no but really not what's that what do you mean it's not that? Usually it's like with another company. Or like an expert professional. Then consider me an expert professional.

A 1099 contractor coming in for the road slash ages and trying to figure out how we can become more... Coming in for the road? What's that? I'm on the road, Kerouac style. Right? Consider me a Neil Cassidy of myself because I'm coming in with a ton of energy

and I'm keeping it shit afloat as it teeter-burrows on the edge of chaos. You should do an episode where you talk to people at different companies. You should do an episode where you treat me with reverence. You should earn my respect and not just be given it by eating on that's a great communication

I think he should have used I feel statements I respect what he's saying but I think he should have said I feel like that's what you should do so I don't know if that's good communication because I feel attacked every statement I say is I feel that's just what talking is that's why I say it is I feel. That's just what talking is. That's why I say it. There are seven kinds of leadership skills.

Can we all agree on that? No. What do you mean no? We can't even agree on the basic premise of the lunch and learn. What are the seven as you know them? And I'll tell you yes or no. Strong and empowered coaching from me. Okay.

Keeping employees engaged on the show or not. No. That's my first no. Already falling apart. There's five left. Creating positive team dynamics as I see it.

Okay. There you go. The royal eye. Effective negotiation or not. Who just said that? Isn't that the office? Don't be so easily distracted. People are here.

Other people are... Are people in the studio? Not the studio, but in the other studio, yeah. I thought that we were doing summer Fridays. Not now, which is why I'm sending emails. Understanding and leveraging individual strengths and lack thereof. Like, for example, Amir's kind of funny and shit. But at the same time, he's not good about talking about his feelings. Marika is very good at bringing the heat on a weekly basis.

But if she's not necessarily tired, she's not going to have that deadpan. Brad is good at climbing. Wait, what is this? This is strengths and weaknesses of y'all. Oh, okay. Brad is good at climbing, but not necessarily good at organizing his space. That's why his background's always cluttered and shit. It's not cluttered, man.

How about you focus on your shit? What do you mean? It's not cluttered to me. It's cluttered to have. It's not, though. It's very organized. No. Look at how much stuff's on the top of it.

You just need to pare down. That's my fear, and I've always said this to other people, but not to your face. Don't tell me to pare down, how about? I like it. My fear is that you're always said this to other people, but not to your face. Don't tell me to pare down, how about? I like it. My fear is that you're hoarding. I'm not. He's a collector. Hosting efficient and effective meetings.

That's number six. Inefficient? Efficient. I thought you said inefficient. Developing and utilizing emotional intelligence or not. Those are the seven leadership skills. I know I have six out of the seven. What do you guys think your last one you have to work on is?

You know what I mean? No. They were all or not, so we all have. They weren't all or not. There were three that were or not. These are the ones I have. Keeping employees engaged or not. It's kind of a coin flip.

It's kind of a coin flip every week, whether you guys buy in or not, right? Sometimes we're all on the same page. We're experiencing joy. Other times, everyone's texting. Creating positive team dynamics or not. Same thing every week is a coin flip. Criticized my room and put my wife's name in it.

Not the room. The room is great. We should say the room is incredible. It's the organization or lack thereof. It's the accumulating objects that you might not ever need or use, but you don't even know you have them. They're all right there. Right, but them being in the room doesn't mean you're using them. But I am.

Amir's in the studio. Is he using the frame TV? No. It's just there. You don't know. What's up? What about my room? You're't know. What's that? What about my room? You're being attacked.

Everything you say has three people disagreeing. You keep your energy up. You don't know. I would say Marika's room is perfectly organized. She also is bringing, she's brought in some plant life to balance out the clutter and garbage. You know what I mean? So it's like on one side, plants are good.

Here's my note for Brad's room. This is garbage. Here's my note for Brad's room, and this is going to answer Marika's question. If you want to keep all that garbage, do it for sure. It's not fucking garbage, man. I'm getting mad now. Do it for sure, but introduce some plant life. What do you see that's garbage?

There's literally a plant right there, man. Is that real or is that artificial? There's a fake one and a real one. Everything there has sentimental value and attachment. CRT TV. CRT TV. You gotta get rid of that. You don't actually use that.

I use it everyday for what I watch VHS films slash also put my computer screen onto it and watch podcasts on it really

yeah that's actually awesome that's actually genuinely awesome where'd you get it where did I get the TV That's actually awesome. That's pretty dope. That's actually genuinely awesome. Where'd you get it? Where did I get the TV? Yeah. A thrift store from the 90s.

Networking. Let's talk about it. How do you attach a new computer to an old TV like that? Good question. I always come up with sentences that aren't good to hear. Do you use the red, yellow, and white thingies? Yeah, like a converter, HDMI, RCA converter. Plug it into the MacBook. Wow.

Can we see it while you're on the Zoom? Yeah, sure. Is there any way we could do that? Let me turn it on. Well, actually, I have my dongle connected, but I can put a something on for a little ambiance. Over the garden wall, maybe. That's nice.

Love that. It's not Halloween time, but that's fine. Let's get into it. So Brad is not wearing his headphones now. Let's figure this shit out. Just a ruse, because it's his birthday today. I wanted to let you guys know. It's not his birthday.

His birthday is the 4th of July. I know, because we're going to say. You're always going to say. But then I say something and you're like, actually, I was going to say something really interesting. No, you weren't. I was going to say we should do like a surprise thing. Like now that is.

No, I agree. Headphones are off. We should like, oh, coming back up. Here we go. Surprise. It's a lunch and learn. And we're talking about networking. Let's go one by one.

Let's start with Marika. Marika, when was the last time you talked to somebody outside the network who was in a position of power who could help this show about this show? Overlapping dialogue. These long pauses. Everybody gets on my case for like the long pauses the pregnant pauses this is marika crazy question who did i tell about this show nobody i don't talk about it so that's an area where you can improve that's an area that you can improve networking

you have to stop eating a sign man it's it's fucking getting to you you're chugging a cold you're eating just thousands of calories of fruit look at you you're shaking i'm nervous of course i go to cold i go to bars every weekend and i network i mix and you tell people about the show that you host i'm like ever heard of the Angle Podcast? No, you're not. Yes, I am, and I do a weird voice so they don't recognize me because of course they're already listening.

They listen to the show and they don't know it's you because you would disguise your voice? Multiple choice question. Two weeks ago, I went to 4100 Bar in Silver Lake and did I, A,

run into an actor that I recognized and went up to and said hey like wait are you Blank's friend because I thought I knew her from somewhere and it wasn't someone I knew personally it was just an actor that was in Finn and Wolfhard and Billy Brick's movie and then she was like I also recognize

you and I turned out I recognized her from Finn's movie and she recognized me from head gum who cares all right and then b is none of the above and c is all of the above only one though above it well b would be not anything above it which would be not the first one and then c would be both of the first two which is the thing said, and then also none of the above. So a paradox. Parody.

And also A and B are the same. That's true. When was the last time you networked about this show? About this show? I try not to tell anybody about this show. Why? It's an embarrassment. Not of riches.

I was going to say of riches. Yeah. No. It's a shame. It's a black mark. It's a scarlet letter. But like you said that we were hearing a pitch from... Right? You didn't tell them about the HeadGum podcast?

Don't include this. Yeah. Bleepep the name but you did tell him didn't tell him you didn't tell him about the heckin podcast why does he want to be on the network not anywhere near his house because actress cheryl hines has jobs right now really you haven't heard yeah have jobs right now. Really? You haven't heard? Brad, no networking in Portland? You don't go to Revolution Hall and wax about it? Actually, not to talk for Brad, but I feel like he's probably the person

that would actually talk about the show the most for his job to other people. True or false, Brad? False. All right, we got to talk about change management. Wait, I was going to tell you about, I actually was. Be right back.

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couldn't even get me in frame on the last episode we both had a nice laugh about it that is good and he was there as a producer of a podcast you're an amateur you're an amateur man of an hour you're an amateur hour man basically

yeah I think that says more about Brad than it does about me I'd love to make this podcast presentable as the marketing person at this company, it would be nice to be able to talk about it it's not successable or accessible it's kind of just like if you're there you're in it

this is a great segue into change management are you guys familiar no so change man juice overlapping conversation change management is like being flexible and changing with the environs right as the industry shifts so does need to the show have. So, you know, since it premiered in May of 2020 or whatever the fuck, I feel like it's changed a lot. And that's an example of good change management.

But Marika, I hear you and I respect your opinion. You're saying you want the show to change for the better. I'm wondering how you see that change management going. And let's make this a Marika's Druthers for three and a half minutes. I think that if we could find a way to introduce new audiences to the concept of the show in a not hostile manner, finding people that... An inside joke. Amir. concept of the show in a not hostile manner. Finding people An inside joke. Blowing himself for an hour.

Amir. There's no way anybody can listen to this. Yeah. I mean I think that like How are you not done yet? Do you have multiple Well it was frozen solid so he's been kind of like scraping

little bits off yeah chiseling off yeah um yeah three minutes left no i think if we you know we are able to post social videos every once in a while that are like pretty good out of context. Sage has been doing a great job at making like all of the song clips into Tik Toks and those have some of those have like popped off, which is nice. Yeah. So I think finding the Wonka one's doing okay. Um, not viral for sure,

but a couple, a couple thousand views. Yeah, it's hard to tell. Yeah, it's still Marika's Druthers, so we're technically not supposed to talk, but it's only been a couple hours. Let's take it easy. No, it's been a day. But no, it's got like 3,000-something views. Someone just commented that this was the role you were born to play.

You know, Wonka's being talked about right now through a lot of Timothee Chalamet hashtags in the hopes that it would pop off, and it hasn't yet, but that's fine. He's directing that new one. Also kind of the director of Paddington. So people love that guy. People love that guy. So there's hope for this one.

I feel like Amir doesn't understand Marika's druthers or how it works. There is hope for both Amir and for the movie. It looks so bad, though. Yeah. But I will watch.

I will be seated. Oh, oh i'm gonna watch it um but back to the show also a similar thing like timely discussions are always good yeah topical with some exciting guests yeah we love exciting guests it'd be cool to try and get like other internet e people on the show i'm sure like brad who do you think would be a good guest on this show i think uh britney broski would be really funny on the show uh ben and emile from the pay pigs podcast would be really funny on the show. You know who would be good? Bobby from TikTok. That podcaster who's always like really small.

What? That, that, that, um, she's like a young mother. What? You know, you haven't seen this person? She's all over TikTok. She's like, why did you do that? And then the guest is like, oh, I don't know. I thought this would be goodiktok she's like why did you do that and then the guest is like oh i don't know i thought this would be good and she's like so you think this and they're like no no i don't think that because she like corners them into canceling themselves i think you should go on chicken shop date i can't do that that's like a really crazy what a huge reach

that's like saying i think you should go on the fucking... Well, nobody can promote anything anymore, so shoot your shot. I'm not allowed to either. Yeah, but like, not a movie. It's not Union. This isn't Union. Also, nobody cares about you, so you can do whatever you want. Like, if you did a talk show, nobody would be like, oh my god. Yeah, but who cares? Like, nobody would even notice or mind.

Like, oh, I heard Jeff James was on a fucking podcast. Like, who gets up in arms about that you're barely in the union right like does anybody care if you're in or out at this point it's not like you're picketing or part of a team right

it doesn't feel like you're no do not obviously don't have the details. Have to blur, bleep, delete, cut. All of it. We will, we will. Yeah, yeah.

Live and tempt fate, I wonder. We'll cut entirely. What's the issue? Is it that we don't have the ins? Because I refuse to believe that. I think it's that we're not putting our resources towards this show. Which, by the way, there is a lot of room to grow, so I kind of resent that.

Cheryl Hines' show didn't do well at all. Yes, it did. What? Really? Yeah. What a really big show. I didn't know that't know that She's never at the stew Right well they had recorded West LA

Here's my What? You're not on the in You're never on the in You're always wrong And then you just sort of jump on people correcting you Yeah Who can we get then? in. You're always wrong and then you just sort of jump on people correcting you. Who can we get then? Scott Aukerman

I thought would be funny, but he doesn't run the whole podcasting industry anymore. I feel like that's probably like Conan. Let's get Conan. We can't get Conan. He's fucking busy. Every single guest that he has is like the biggest person you've ever heard of. He doesn't want to come on the show.

He's my uncle. Conan O'Brien's not your uncle. Yeah. No. Uncle Cones. No, because it doesn't even, this is nothing. This is nothing. What do you mean?

The lunch and learn, it's devolved into nothing. Now we're talking about your uncle being Conan, which is just a lie. Why would I lie about that? That's how I got this job. That's how I got into the podcast industry. Let's talk about breaking the ice. I'm a nepo, baby. Let's talk about breaking the ice.

How do you guys choose to break the ice? Maybe in specific regards to trying to get new guests. Is that a cold email? Is that a cold DM? Usually tell them my uncle. Ooh, tell him. I think the Bobby person would be good. I don't know her last name.

I don't know who you're talking about. Okay. Could also get Andy Richter. He's my godfather. That makes sense. Conan's your uncle and then Andy Richter's your godfather? And the masturbating bear did my bris. Dumbass.

Maybe I'm not up to date on the internet, right? Twitter's dead Sounds like you're not I didn't know who Brittany Broski was We had Sally Dar on the fucking show I want to have her back Do you want to have Sally Dar back? I was DMing her But I don't know

Who's at the top of TikTok right now? TikTok doesn't translate To podcast listens What's the internet then? You just said you want more internet personalities, so you mean more podcast personalities. Well, this is a podcast that's also on YouTube. So I mean YouTube personalities. Okay, let's go to YouTube and see the

first person that pops up. Mr. Beast. I recently watched my first Mr. Beast video. His tweet about it was so intriguing. What do you think? And he's really figured something out, that guy.

It's just eight minutes of balls-to-the-wall expensive insanity, and he's out. He's like, hey, we bought a train. We're going to drive into a pit, but first I'm going to blow up $50,000, and then before that I'm going to see if any of these mannequins can survive a fall from outer space and you're just like oh my god and then before you can even think about it he's doing this all and then the video ends and you're just like holy shit he's like also that cost three million dollars and i made 270 000 on ad revenue i'm like this is so much information it's all shot in a very exciting fashion and edited really tightly well i have ideas for this show but nobody wants to fund the shit.

I keep emailing Katie being like, hey, remember those three ideas we met about in May? And she's like, I'll get back to you. To be clear, Allie and Katie brought one of them up to you at the live show and you didn't know what they were talking about. And it was an idea that you pitched and had and said honestly you said you would self-fund and we were like no don't do that no i want to do that one katie so we were we were like no don't self-fund it oh i'm not going to but here's the other issue it's fucking hot so that involves being out in the sun. Sure, yeah, yeah. And so now we have to wait until October.

It's a weird time in the industry. It's the perfect time to do something. Two guilds are striking. As of today, yeah. Sure. Sure. What do you want to do? You do you.

What the fuck? He's high On us high It's happening This is him Matt So I'm cracked out He chugged a cold brew

This is a video podcast I ate a thousand blueberries Why are so many of them Just four squares of like Attractive-ish people You know what I mean? None of us are like movie star Maybe Jake

But now he's a dad. So you know he's going to get the dad bod and that's kind of a sad bod. Brad's looking good though. Marika too. Brad has a Brad bod. Jeff's going to be napping in 12 minutes.

You just ate that so ferociously. It took you 37 minutes to eat that. What if we did a steakhouse episode? I mean, I would love... If you had all of the money to spend on this show, Jeff, what would you want to do? Tour.

Mr. Beast style. Just a tour. Well, first of all, this is what I don't understand, right? I keep saying, can we please do a mini tour? And then Katie's like, Marty says we don't have the budget. And I'm like, budget? We're going to make money off the shit. Will we? What's that?

We often don't make money off of the live shows that we do because when we did the HeadGum Live and stuff, we make sure that the performers get a cut of their ticket revenue for their show.

We all were traveling there, so we were paying for airfare. It was just a marketing expense, basically. That was really fun. We didn't make some money back. Jeff, how many people would have to go to your show for you to break even,

flying there, staying there? Your guests, too., your guests too. I don't know. That's not my job to figure out the numbers. Right, it's not. So I don't know. I'm also like, what if we just do New York and LA? And Portland.

Nope. I think it's a possibility by the end of the year. Okay, so in the fall maybe. Brad? We could do Revolution Hall. How big is Revolution Hall? It's way too big, right? NADPOD is doing Revolution Hall.

Yeah, we can't do NADPOD numbers. We could probably do a shitty... Yeah. We could definitely do a... Oh my fucking god. This is supposed to be my fucking god answer answer my question that was like what's the question if i had all the money in the world what would i do no if you had all the money to spend on this show what would you do i kind of it's hard because i've only thought about this realistically because I don't like getting my own hopes up to be disappointed. I do want to do that if... Well, no, because I don't even want to talk about it

because it has to be a surprise. But I'm going to bleep this. I want to do that... episode... It doesn't have to be there. It could be anywhere that's similar to that place. And then if we had like tens of millions of dollars, I would want to do a show at Madison Square Garden

where like every seat is for sale. Yeah. And we sell like 200 tickets. I think we could sell it out. I think we could make that go viral. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know what the rental is for that.

It's probably a million dollars. So it's just not possible. I could ask Unky, Unky Cones. You don't, he's never done it. Conan couldn't even do MSG. No,

I think Conan did. Conan's definitely done Radio City. isn't even as funny as MSG because MSG is like 26,000 things. Told me about. And I think it's the sweet spot because also you could be 26,000 things. And I think it's the sweet spot because also you could be like oh what about Giant Stadium? But I'm like that's

too big that it's like somehow not funny anymore. MSG is perfect because it's like theoretically there have been comedy shows there and it's like we are kind of the bottom of the barrel especially in regards to like this. If we could just get like Harry Styles to guest on the show,

I think we could get at least the pit sold. He's not going to guest. Harry Styles playing the theme song for the show. That'd be really dope. That'd be really cool. It's not going to happen. How would that happen? Nobody has an in with anyone in his circles.

We'd have to like ask him. I think we could get Lady Gaga because I have an in with the guy his circles. We have to ask him. I think we could get Lady Gaga because I have an in with the guy who co-wrote Shallow. Who? Andrew Wyatt. That's cool. I feel like we could get Olivia Rodrigo. How?

How? I know people. She's young. She's in the... Who's like the... how I know people young she's in the who's like the I don't know Quincy Jones I was gonna say it

and the six after that nice yeah if I could spend a lot of money on this show, I think I would try to tour

with a really elaborate set design. Circus. Oh, that's what it was. I wrote this down. I texted this myself when I was at the Louvre. I said, HeadGum Podcast Circus. And it would be at the Louvre. I said, HeadGum Podcast Circus. And it would be... The Louvre.

Fankling Brothers Circus or something. That's good. Also, I got a physical yesterday. And the doctor was like, any swelling in your ankles? And I laughed. And I laughed for a little too long to the point where she was like...

I had to explain. I was like, oh, I'm sorry. I'm not meaning to laugh. I just, I'm kind of known to have thin ankles. And she's like, well, that's good that there's no swallowing. And then you said, have you seen the HeadGum podcast? Yeah, and that was your networking for the day. Yeah, exactly right.

What would we have at our circus? Would it be like animal act or would it be like a quote unquote freak show? I think it would be it would just be me trying to turn the normal podcast into a circus. But it's obviously I didn't do enough work for that. But it would be like tigers. It would be so funny. for that but it would be like tigers it would be so funny like if everyone just like worked really we spent money on classes to like someone learn trapeze yeah but not with enough time to get good at it so it's like you are doing trapeze acts but it's kind of like watching someone do a class

also i would love to do a new year's eve thing that's like Dick Clark's New Year's Rockin' Eve, but it would be Jeff James' New Year's Rockin' Ass. Dick James. Rodney James. Rodney. The Rodney Brothers Circus. But Bill Graham did a New Year's Eve show at a Winterlin Ballroom in San Francisco in like 1970-something. San Francisco. What's that?

I'm trying to power through. Where would you want your show to be held at? Because I feel like that's a good opportunity for a joke. I have so many venues that I think would be funny to do the show at, but nobody wants to put any effort or money into this shit. If it was New Year's Eve. But not like a venue. Like, what if it was just like, you're doing the New Year's show. Sure.

A block from Times Square. So the ball's like kind of in the background. That'd be funny. Yeah, we could figure that out. But the, I want to do it at a theater because Bill Graham did this New Year's Eve show where he flew in on like this, like whatever, hanging big joint. And so I could do the same, but it would be like on, I don't know. Like Peter Pan style? I was going to say an Onigiri.

This is really good. I show up as a rice ball. You could make like a rice ball. You could make like a rice dress, like Lady Gaga style. And then Lady Gaga comes out in her meat dress. Amir, feel free to participate. We should write a shallow cover. This isn't nonsense.

This is planning. This is a lunch and learn. I would say this is a blue sky brainstorm session Eat another acai bowl I want to see you explode Amir, what do you want to see out of the show? Violet, you're turning violet I don't think I want to be on it as much

I feel like I'm on nearly every episode and it should be more of a potpourri rotating cast of characters style. But then what podcast would you do regularly? Buckets? No, I would just fucking chill out and watch. I want to just watch and see what

happens. I don't want to like have to listen to the show be recorded every week. That feels like a regression. That feels like a step in the wrong direction is not having Amir on the show, because it's hard. Jake's on paternity leave. You're also not going to be on the show every week? This is tough.

People only want to see you and Jake. Me and Jake are both on paternity leave. I'm on uncle leave. Well, I thought we did kind of establish on the show that you're sort of the real father. you're sort of the real father. Not even a donor, really. More of like a cuckold-er.

You cuck- A cunkle. He's not a cuckold. A cunkle. A cunkle on earth. Let's end the show by rounding out this lunch and learn, which is, um,

about goal setting. And we're kind of already doing that, but like, yeah, what are the, what are the goals that we actually want to see happen to the show? We've been doing that already, but like, let's figure this shit out. Let's leave with some action items. Guests. I would like. Let's focus on guests because we can do that easily.

Yes. with some action items. Guests. I would like. Let's focus on guests because we can do that easily. Yes. I would like guesting to return

another 20,000 views slash listens every week. That's really difficult. That's a lot of listeners. How would that happen? Get the right guest, man. All right, guests.

Guests don't seem to care. Like, you know what I mean? Like, we had Finn on the show. Nobody gives a shit. That was like a year and a half ago. Yeah, that was a pretty long time ago. And I think people did actually.

I don't even know if that was with video. Was it? It wasn't. I'm trying to even think of who is in my phone that's any interesting. But it's not necessarily the biggest name. Right. I have somebody who's in a famous rock band.

Right. So you're not listening to it again. Yeah. It's not necessarily the most famous. Right. As someone who's in a famous rock band. People that are good at engaging online audiences. People that have their own podcast audience

that they can bring over. We should have Lauren Lapkus on again. Those kinds of things. Lauren currently does not have a podcast. Well, I guess she has Threedom. And newcomers. We could have the Threedom people on. That'd be funny.

And then we could do like a... Yeah, Threedom. Sucks. I think that they did at some point And newcomers. We could have the three of them people on. That'd be funny. And then we could do like a three. Sucks. I think that they did at some point want to do some sort of collab. Not with this show. No, with this show. I don't know if it was guesting. It might have been like an ad swap situation or something.

Okay. But again, thinking outside the box what if we did something with game I am I do really want to get a ps5 for what to play games what game what? Elden Ring? NBA 2K? FIFA? I would love to have a FIFA tournament. Hogwarts Legacy? We should have a FIFA tournament. I really... Well, I brought this up on today's episode, the one that fucking came out today while we recorded this, aka last week, if you're listening to this.

Which is that the NBA announced their mid-season tournament and there's going to be a HeadGum podcast mid-season tourney. A mid-journey tourney is what we're calling it. FIFA? Not a FIFA. I want to do Mario Kart.

A Mario Kart stream? The two brackets, instead of East versus West, it's Joy versus Wise. Oh my God. I don't know what you're talking about. I was talking about the fact that I want to play FIFA. The Joyful Conference champion will be announced at the end of November.

Okay. At the end of the November. Fuck you through and through, man. Fuck you. For interrupting my genuine interest. Sorry, continue. What's the genuine interest? FIFA tournament? FIFA tournament.

FIFA tournament. You're fucking FIFA tourney? FIFA tournament. FIFA tournament. Oh my God. You're fucking unmet. The FIFA tourney. Yeah. But that shouldn't be for this show. That should be for one of the game show live streams. Sure. Sure or yeah?

Sure or yeah? Either one. That's on the same channel. Is that Anya who is it Casey or Kevin is it Chef Kevin it's Casey get him on Donahue

he can't hear you obviously man can you hear Jeff Casey I heard that yeah he hears you now He can't hear you, obviously, man. Can you hear Jeff? Casey! I heard that. Yeah, he hears you now. Tell him to get on mic. He wants you to get on mic.

Get on the mic! This is good. Hello? Hey, Casey. Casey, what do you got? What do you want to point the people to? The floor is yours. Let's start, Casey. Casey, what do you got? What do you want to point the people to? The floor is yours. Let's start with Casey.

Listen to the Pitwall pod. Follow us on Instagram at Pitwall pod. Send us some quick cues. We'll answer them on the pod. Maybe Jeff will be on sometime soon. We'll find out. I'm going to be on on Monday, which means nothing because I've said that so many times, but I'm going to be on Monday.

Thank you guys so much for listening to the HeadGum Podcast. Keep tuning in for all the changes and I think at the very least, we did lunch and learn. We did lunch and learn. We did new Bond of the Week. Catch us next time

where we're going to brunch and burn. My Bond of the Week is Cillian Murphy. My Bond of the Week. That's good. Cillian Murphy. Joe Talbot from Idols. We haven't done this in a while. Catch you on the flip.

Diesel. Diesel, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That was a Hidgum original