Best of The Herd for Jan 08, 2020
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01:03Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and Friends on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.Hey, what's good, y'all?You're listening to Learn the Hard Way with your favorite therapist and host Kear Games.This space is about black men's experiences, having honest conversations that it's really not safe to have anywhere, but you're having them with a licensed professional who knows what he's doing.How many men carry a suit or armor?It signals to the world that you're not to be played.with and just because you have the capability that does not mean that you need to listen to learnthe hard way on the iha radio app apple podcast or wherever you get your podcast what's up guys
01:41this is clivert taylor the fourth and on my podcast the clivert show i'm bringing you conversationsabout all kinds of stuff like being an internet famous referee we're in the middle of a gamethis linebacker this linebacker walks up to me he goes a ref my mom wants you to wave at her whatTime out.Quarterback on office blue with 42.Hey, Rhett, my mama want you to weigh better.What?Hey, Ms. Parker.
02:13Listen to the Clifford show on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast.Thanks for listening to the best of herd podcast.Be sure to catch us live every weekday.From 12 to 3 Eastern, 9 to noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and FS1, find your local station for the herd at Fox Sports Radio.com or stream us live every day on the iHeartreport.radio app by searching herd.This is the best of the herd with Colin Cowherd on Fox Sports Radio.Ah, this son of Wednesday is the herd.Wherever you may be and however you may be listening.
02:48We're live in Los Angeles.It's IHeart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, and FS1.Joy Taylor is joining me.We have Joe Thomas, the great left tackle of the Cleveland Brown, stops by today.Nick Wright, Peter Schrager, stops by today.We are packed.Good prep this morning.A lot of topics.
03:03Joy Taylor's joining me.Joy, how are you?I'm great.There's so much going on.So much.So much.A lot in the NBA, too.A lot in the NBA as well.
03:12Get to the Lakers in a few minutes.Let me just say this.Football is the sport.We watch in America.We like a lot of things.We love football.We bet on football.We watch football.
03:23We go to football games.We're into football as a country.We really are in.The ratings are four, five, six, seven times.greater than everything else out there, four times better than even college football,and we love that too.So when you're really emotional about something like football, like family,sometimes you need to take a deep breath,
03:43add context, add perspective, because all of us, myself certainly included,we can get too far down the hole, too into the tunnel, and not give things perspective.And I've been saying with Tom Brady, I think it's 50, 50 if he stays.And this morning, I really feel like it's 80, 20,90-10 he's staying in New England.Not just because of the Instagram post he released yesterday that came out and said,listen, after a few days of reflection, I'm grateful and humbled by our team.I can't get ready to go back at it.
04:20He says, in life and football, failure's inevitable.You don't always win.I've got more to prove.So on his Instagram, Tom is acknowledging, I'm not retiring.I'm coming back.So put that to bed.I do think it's a perfect time for him, but he doesn't think it's a perfect time for him,so what I think doesn't matter.
04:36The question becomes, what does Tom do?And let me just throw this out.We do this a lot, and I'm guilty of it.I try not to be, but I think the public is really guilty of it.We always bury dynasties about a year early.Everybody wants to bury Alabama.Well, they just had the number two recruiting class in the country.They just landed the first or second best quarterback,
04:59and outside of Florida in the SEC next year,nobody comes close to stacking up with what they return.Alabama is going to be in the playoff next year.Right now, they and Clemson are favored.And only Florida in the SEC, I think, can match up.LSU loses a lot of people.Okay, we want to bury New England.I get it.
05:18We do this with dynasties.But let's look at New England.Let's take a deep breath now.The season's over.We love football.We get emotional.We bet it.They lose.
05:26They win.They were 12 and 4.they're the best coach in the league.They have the best offensive line coach in the league.Matters for quarterbacks.Their division is still below average compared to other divisions.They get their fullback James Devlin, their kicker Grotkowski, and their center,David Andrews's back.
05:45Those will all help scoring.Nikiel Harry's in their second year as a wide receiver.Takes a long time.Mohamed Sunu comes back probably for another year.And let's be honest, best wide receiver draft ever.what they really missed this year. They didn't missdefense. It was number one in the NFL.The special teams weren't a problem. That was great.
06:03What they didn't have is weapons.And it's the best wide receiverdraft class ever. A.J. Green'sa free agent. Amari Cooper's a free agent.Robbie Anderson of the Jets. A deep threat is a free agent.You don't have to even bring up OBJ or AB.There's all sorts of free agent wide receivers out there.All sorts of them. And, you know,
06:20we do this. We tend to burythings before they're dead. I'll give you anexample.Friends, Frasier, and Seinfeld are still the most watched thing on all these Netflix, Hulu, Amazon Prime subscription services.They're all fighting over Frazier.They're all fighting over Seinfeld, Hulu.They're all, you know, NBC, give us Frazier back, give us friends back, give us Seinfeld.They're still all fighting over this stuff.
06:47I know it's not cool to say you watch Seinfeld.I know it's not cool to say you watch Friends.That's what people are comfortable with.So we tend to bury dynasties.And New England is still the smartest team in the AFC, they appear to be.They still have the best at several things.They get three key components back offensively.And I think they're fine.
07:07And this morning, here's what I know.I don't have anything in common with Tom Brady except this.I like habit.I love habit.I'm a repetitive guy.I can go to mock drafts all day, the same one.and this is what I know about Brady.Brady loves habit.
07:26He loves process.He loves repetition.That's the only thing we have in common.And let me tell you, I've moved cross-country three times.It disrupts that.It disrupts that.LeVar Erington came on this show and said,when you move all those little things that you love exactly where you park
07:47and exactly the freeway you take and it takes you nine minutesand you go to Pete's and get your coffee,and then it's four minutes from there.Brady loves that.I love that.And moving, I've done it three times,it's a pain in the butt.Lovar Erington talked about that for Brady.
08:04Will he be willing to give that up?There's so many different thingsthat will play a partafter you've been in a place for 20 years.Think about how his locker is set up.Think about who handles the small,minute details of what he eatsin the morning, what he eats in the
08:23noontime, what are his snacks,how does he like his socks, what typeof spikes does he like, where I sitin the meeting rooms. There areso many thingsjust withinthe football aspect of it.This morning, context, take a deep
08:42breath. Tom Brady wentto Instagram, and I'mgoing on radio and TV. I thinkit's 80, 20. He'sa Patriot. I didn't a couple days ago.That's what football does to us.I think 80-20s back and New England's very goodnext year. Right, let's go
08:59to this. Mike McCarthy, new coach of the DallasCowboys, former coach Aaron Rogers, Brett Farberand the Packers, is going to hold a press conferencetoday after our show. When our show ends,it'll be right after that. About 15 minutes afterthat. Andthere was a story yesterdaythat one of the reasons that Jerry
09:15Jones hired Mike McCarthyis becauseJerry Jones felt we played him10 times. He went 7 and 3against us, and we always thought we hadbetter players. And that's nota bad reason to hiresomebody. I mean, there's a reason that people are hiring
09:31New England GMs and New Englandassistants and New England coordinators.You know, Miami's like, well, if you can't beathim, join him, we'll hire Brian Flores.There's a reason Josh McDanielsand Nick Casario, you know, in New Englandprobably take over the Cleveland Browns.It's not a terrible reason
09:47to hire somebody. You go up againstthem and they beat you with less talent. Or at leastthe perception is you've got more talent, they've got less talent, and they keep beating you.So I don't have a problem with that.But here's the funny thing.When Mike McCarthy, and I'm divorced, so when Mike McCarthy and Aaron Rogers got a divorce,people love the judge a divorce in the first month.I'm going to go to the gym and get my abs.
10:09I won the divorce.And that's not how divorces go.Are we sure Aaron Rogers is going to win this divorce?Aaron Rogers plays Seattle and Russell Wilson this weekend, the best road team in the league.And Mike McCarthy takes over an incredibly talented offensive roster in Dallas.He never had an offensive line like that.He never had a running back like Zeke.He never had an owner in Green Bay.
10:39He's got an aspirational driven owner, the best offensive line he's had, the best running back he's had,and a very capable quarterback and a team that would Jason Garrett won the division.We do this in divorces.Go to the gym.I'm going to look great.Russell Westbrook, Kevin Durant.Oh, Westbrook was the man for about six months.MVP, triple double.
11:03Five years later, we rolled our eyes at Westbrook.Never won a playoff series.He's a stat monster having his worst shooting year of his career.No, I mean, he's now shooting 36%.It's the worst of his year.You roll your eyes at Westbrook.Kobe and Shaq.Shaq won that divorce.
11:25First couple of years got a title in Miami.Five, six years later, Kobe's got multiple titles.Kobe's winning an Oscar.Kobe's very refined.His business has never been stronger.Kobe won.Farv and the Packers.Oh, Farv.
11:42You know, a little scrappy with the Jets,but he goes to Minnesota for a couple years.And every time they played Green Bay,they knocked the living you know what out of him.He gets to the NFC championship.And then six, seven years later, it was the right move.Aaron Rogers won a Super Bowl, and Aaron Rogers was really talented.And Aaron Rogers this year won the division.
12:03And Farves down somewhere talking about football.And Aaron's got another five, six years left.And he's fantastic.Be very careful about the divorce.And let's be honest about it.When McCarthy got fired, it was outdated dinosaur.this guy is he takes over he's an offensive coach he never had anything like that in green bay he didn'thave an owner he kept complaining to ted thompson get me some players well players free agents don't
12:34want to play in green bay you know where free agents do want to play in a state with no statetax for an owner that tends to overpay jerry jones that's a nice thing to have he now has anowner who will overpay, pay early, and by the way, in a state where players love, players love,professional athletes love Texas.They love Houston.They love Dallas.They like San Antonio.There's no state tax.
13:00Great place to go.Free agents, Dallas is always competitive.Basically, Dallas turns down players for free agency.So be very careful on this.I think the first little year, but we did look at stats.We talked about the stats of Aaron Rogers since Mike McCarthy's left.Yards down per game, third down conversions, down, second half adjustment points down.He didn't elevate the record's better because the bears and the lions imploded and because
13:32they gave him a defense.But it's not like the Packers and Aaron Rogers elevated to a new galaxy.They still only have one Super Bowl in the last decade and Mike was part of it.And it may be their last one.One more herd?The herd streams 24 hours a day.seven days a week within the IHeart radio app.Search her to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like.
13:51Last night, a blown call changed a game.This morning, the internet lost its mind.Highlights are trending, opinions are flying,and nobody's telling you exactly what happened.That's where Sports Slice comes in.I'm Timbo.Every episode, we're cutting through the noise,breaking down the plays, the controversies,
14:07and the stories behind the headlines.We go straight to the source, the athlete themselves.Their locker room stories, their reactions,the stuff nobody gets to hear.The laughs, the drama, the triumphs, the moments that never make the highlight real.From viral moments to historic games, from buzzer beaters to controversial calls, we break it down,give you context, and ask the questions everybody wants answered.Sports Slice brings you closer to the action with stories told by the people who live them.
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15:44What's up, guys.This is Clever Taylor the 4th.And on my podcast, The Cliverts Show, I'm bringing you conversations about all kinds of stuff.Like being an internet famous referee.We're in the middle of a game.This linebacker, this linebacker walks up to me.He goes, hey, ref, my mom wants you to wave at her.What?
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17:04People come up.You know, I had a couple people yesterday.What are you doing?Blah, blah, blah.One of the things they ask me about is, why aren't you talking a lot about the Lakers?Well, what do you think about the Lakers?And I said, everything I needed to be confirmed about the Lakers was confirmed in like six games.Anthony Davis and LeBron and Danny Green, the three key components for postseason success,
17:24are playing beautifully together.I needed to see that.It happened fast.Anthony Davis is always dealing with nagging injuries.Would he for the first time in his career be willing to play through them?He has.By the way, his MRI is clean this morning.We just got note of that.
17:41Anthony Davis yesterday declined the Lakers max extension offer.It doesn't mean anything.He's not leaving Los Angeles.It's been perfect.He's averaging 28 a game.10 rebounds, almost three blocks, three assists.It's been terrific.He got hurt last night.
17:55He's going to travel with a team.He's fine.He is banged up a lot.His shoulder, his back, you know, he's one of those guys.The knock on him in the NBA from the people I trust, one of the smartest guys in the NBA when he was out there talking to teams said the knock on him in the league is for a 25-26-year-old.He gets banged up a lot.You can't dispute that.The second thing was he doesn't love playing through injuries.
18:18Some guys do.Some guys do not.Kauai doesn't want to.Anthony Davis didn't in New Orleans.But he has this year played through a lot of days.He didn't feel great.LeBron's pushing him.LeBron's hardening him.
18:33He's trying to create this sort of playoff medal, which nobody is healthy by the playoffs.Everybody soar after the playoffs, except James Hardin, who, I don't know, doesn't get hurt, plays every game, and just parties all night and comes back the next day and drops 44.He's an outlier.But I don't think this team was built for January.I think they were built for June.I think they're older.I do believe they need to cash in this year because the Clippers have more good young players.I think they'll age better.
19:02Golden State's going to have a number one pick, Steph Clay Draymond, and a ton of room cap space for the Greek freak or a big free agent.So I do think this season is a cash in season.LeBron's going to be going into what is 18th year.Danny Green is old and Anthony Davis is breakable.But that is my opinion on the Lakers.Everything I needed to know for the regular season was confirmed in two weeks.AD and LeBron play great together.AD is for the first time in his career willing to play through nagging injuries.
19:35Danny Green seems to work perfectly with both.I do worry that if they trade Kyle Kuzman at the deadline,there's a lot of rumors about that.They get even older.I think they need to get a little younger.so they can take some nights off in the regular season.Kuzma's value may be in the regular season,not in the postseason,
19:52where he's not going to get a lot of touches in May and June,but he needs a lot of touches now,so LeBron and AD and Danny Greenand older players can rest a little.But Anthony didn't sign the contract extension.It doesn't mean anything.He's traveling with the team.That means something.
20:09To me, that means he's, again,this year, willing to play hurt,and that was always the knock on him.Be sure to catch him.Live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeart Radio app.My buddy, host to First Things First via the Coward Goebel satellite network.Sponsored by Mercedes-Benz, the best or nothing, Nick Wright.So I said yesterday, I love the way Jeter retired and John Elway retired and Kobe, and it's one team,
20:37and you get, you're one of the all-time greats, and it's neat.Tony Gonzalez, you wrap a bone, you're still capable.Elway won a Super Bowl MVP.It would be just so neat and tidy for Tom Brady to retire.Okay, he told us last night he's not retiring.But it's funny, Nick.Football's the sport we bet.Both of us do, and you get emotional to it.
20:58And Brady's emotional.So Brady takes a deep breath, comes out with an Instagram and says,okay, further reflection, I'm going to play again.And I sit in there driving to work this morning,and I'm thinking further reflection.They still have the best offensive line coach.They were 12 and 4.they have the best coach to get their kicker back, their fullback back, their center back.
21:17Could I not argue, Nick, the Patriots are the best place for a guy that loves repetition, Tom Brady?Well, I think in theory they might be, but they have, he, I think clearly would ideally like to stay in New England.I don't think that's ever changed.But New England keeps flirting with the idea that they don't want him to stay.and at some point the disrespect becomes too much.You tried to bring in my replacement four or five years ago.I had to go above your head, Belichick, to get him shipped out of here.I then, the three years leading into this year,
21:56had the greatest comeback in Super Bowl history in 2016,won a league MVP in 2017 and threw for five Hyundai in the Super Bowl,won another Super Bowl in 2018,while beating the league MVP on the road in the conference championship game,in comeback fashion, and you wouldn't give me an extension.You said, nope, we're going to play it year to year, Tom.I said, I want to play until I'm 45.You won't even give me an extension until I'm 43.
22:22And then this year goes as poorly as it does,and he sees Drew Breeze as Michael Thomasand Russell Wilson as the rookie wide receiver.Maybe they should have drafted.And Patrick Mahomes has all these other weapons.And all of a sudden, the Los Angeles Chargers look pretty good.And you start to wonder if the Patriots have,Belichick would even fight that hard to keep him because with or without a 43-year-old Tom Brady,
22:47the Patriot era, the Patriot dynasty is over.I feel like Belichick knows it.And I wonder if he has opened the door just enough for Brady to walk through it and become your next door neighbor,your palatial Manhattan Beach Estate.I would love that, of course.Let me throw this out with Joe Judge.I thought it was a panic move.But let me just say this.
23:09Sean McVey, I didn't know who he was when he got hired at 30.I didn't know who John Gruden was when the Raiders gave him a job.Mike Tomlin was 34.Young guys, if you go look at many of the great coaches, they got hired in their 30s.Belichick was 38 in Cleveland and grumpy.Okay?So Joe Judge is 38, and Belichick kept giving him more and more stuff to do because he spotted very early.This guy is special.
23:36Are guys like me overreacting to Joe, Judge?Yesterday I said panic move, not qualified, other better candidates.Did I overreact yesterday?I don't know that you overreacted.I had two reactions to the Joe Judge hire.One is I actually like the idea of special teams coordinators getting head coaching jobs.I would prefer you have been a head coach at some point somewhere along the way, maybe a little more seasoned.But I've heard from enough players who played for John Harbaugh who said they liked the way he was.
24:09able to look at the entirety of the team, not focused just on one side of the ball, and I thinkit actually could be an asset, and nobody, if you remove the missed field goals part of it,nobody had better special teams than the Patriots. So I'm happy for Joe Judge. He learnedfrom saving, he learned from Belichick. I am not here to say that is the wrong hire.But the other thread to this is what a lot of people have discussed in it, it can't be ignored.In a league that is over 60% black, it is an abomination.that we have three black head coaches.It is the same statistical probability
24:44if you woke up tomorrowand a quarter of the national hockey league's coacheswere black.You would say, well, that's a little curious development.But when it's white people in the majority of it,we don't have the same reaction.I'm not alleging racism.I'm not alleging a systemic issue
25:00to try to keep people out of jobs.But the league has clearly gone towardsyoung, offensive-minded, typically innovators.yet Eric Bianamy continually gets passed overwhen the two people who had his job prior to him,Peterson and Nagy, immediately get head coaching jobs.All of a sudden, Andy Reed calling the playsisn't an issue for those guys.
25:21It is an issue for Bienemy.Byron Leftwich helped James Winston throw for over 5,000 yards.No one mentions his name.Leslie Frazier made the playoffs with Christian Ponder.Christian Ponder.Then has one down year.He's gone.And he's relegated to being a defensive coordinator for a damn good Buffalo Bills team,
25:43and no one brings him up.But we're going to recycle Jim Schwartz again, really.So I don't know how to solve this.I'm not going to act like I have the fix.And I feel badly that Joe Judge all of a sudden became the face of it.That ain't his fault.Good for him for getting the job.But the league's got to figure out.
26:02And the teams have to figure out why they are so, they have no problem.trusting black people to play for them and to be positional coaches for them,but there seems to be a very clear glass ceiling.And it's a major issue that now seems to be getting worse rather than getting better.By the way, we agreed with you on that yesterday.There's sort of indisputable evidence that certain guys need opportunities and they're not getting him.And Schwartz is a great example who was a disaster in Detroit, an utter disaster.And by the way, is struggling in Philadelphia to get along with the head coach.
26:37Let me segueto this.You have a relationship.Aaron Rogers loves you.For some unknown reason,he and I do not connect.There's no symbiotic relationship there.You guys connect.
26:48Whateves?Little jealous, not going to get into it.But I will say this.We judge divorces based on the first week.You go to the gym, you get your abs.We judge divorces.You know, Kobe Shaq,oh, Shaq won.
27:02About five years later, Kobe won it.Westbrook KD.We loved Westbrook winning all the awards.awards. Five years later, Westbrook's kind of a mess in the playoffs. Let me say this.One year, McCarthy and Aaron Rogers, if Aaron loses to Seattle and McCarthy takes over easilythe most talented team he's ever had in Dallas, where they have an owner, they land free agents,they've got terrific young talent, he's never had a back like that. Is it possible in three orfour years. We're looking back and saying maybe Aaron's difficult and maybe McCarthy was saddled
27:39with a guy who's hard to coach and McCarthy wins this divorce. It's not impossible. It's not thecraziest theory of yours I've heard this month, but the month is young. And so, however, I don'tthink it's fair to say anyone was saddled with Aaron Rogers. And I am very curious to see how MikeMcCarthy works when all of a sudden he isn't coaching one of the two most talentedquarterbacks ever. He has gone far to Rogers. Like you said you're sponsored, I just heard it,sponsored by Mercedes-Benz, if you're driving nothing but S-500 and then you get a really niceacura, even if it's a good car, it doesn't quite get up the way you're used to on the highway.So I'm curious how McCarthy's offense works with Dak. As far as Aaron Rogers was the more
28:31important part of this. This is an incredibly critical game for him. Yeah. He has that he's only had abuy three times in his whole career. Brady had 13 of them. He's only had three. The first year with abuy, they were 15 and one. He was league MVP and they get annihilated by Tom Coughlin's purpleface in the Giants. His next time with a buy, that is the epic comeback by the Seahawks in theNFC championship game that some people say was the fracturing point between McCarthy and Rogersall the way back in 2014. If they don't take advantage of not only having a buy this year,but avoiding the Saints who might have been better than them, then you start to wonder,is Aaron Rogers' talent going to be used as an arrow that is slung towards him, a la Wilk Chamberlain?
29:22People talk about wilt and how dominant he was almost as a sling because he didn't win enough.So I'm not saying Roger's got to win the Super Bowl this year, but you can't go one and done when you have a Seattle team that's been overachieving their talent level coming to Lambo here this weekend.You know what? I was going to ask you another question, and I don't even know.I've only got a minute left.I'll just ask you this.I'm not as high on Josh McDaniels as everybody else.I think he's Lane Kiffin and the pros.high IQ, debatable EQ.
29:54I think he can be rigid.I think he's got, and I like Lane.I text Lane all the time.I think he's a very good coach,but he's dug some holes for himself.I don't know if Josh and that ego and that impatienceis going to work with Baker.I really don't.
30:09I think he's going to get the job.So just weigh in for a minute.Is he the magic elixir that solves the Brown's nightmares?All right.I know you said we don't have a lot of times,and I apologize I got to do this.I got to once again bend over and pick up the name you just dropped.Oh, you text with Lane Kippin all the time.
30:26Oh, sorry about that, Colin Coward.Now, listen, McDaniels, I wouldn't hire a guy who reneged on the cults the way he did.But everyone seems to be over that but me.Like, everyone seems to be like, that was ancient history.That was 24 months ago.No one cares anymore.So I've got to move past it.I do think it's possible he learned from his mistake.
30:50in Denver. And I do think what he has learned from Belichick as far as teaching the team to notallow any outside noise is exactly what the Browns need. And as far as the recycled head coacheswho are available, to me, he would be near the top of the list. But I do have similar EQquestions as you do. And I don't know that we know those have been solved. It's just that Belichickdoesn't let his assistants talk so we don't have any exposure. No, honestly, they're not allowedso we don't have any exposure to whether or not he has matured. And before I go, I missed yourbirthday Monday, so a happy belated birthday. And they always say, the question always is,what do you get the person who has everything? And so my response was nothing. And so I'll
31:42just say happy birthday, but sincerely, no. I really appreciate your nothing. Be sure to catchlive editions of the herd weekdays and noon Eastern 9 a.m.So this weekend, Lamar Jackson hosts and the Ravens, John Harbaugh, they host the Tennessee Titans.I think Baltimore wins.I think they win it convincingly.Mike Rable was asked about how do you stop Lamar Jackson, and he had this funny response.Other than try to tie his shoelaces together, I mean, not many people have had success.You know, we'll have to prepare and try to get our players as ready as possible.
32:14Defend not only him, but Mark Ingram and then Edwards.It's impressive what they've done.Let me just say this.Deshawn Watson had five game winning come from behind wins this year.He trailed more than he led this year.I think it's an amazing feat.It's harder to play quarterback when you trail.I'm not saying Deshawn's better than Lamar,
32:39but Lamar hasn't trailed a lot this year.The way to beat Baltimore,and I mean at this point, it's about all I've got,get a lead and cross your fingers,force him to play from behind.You'll scale off.They'll have to peel off some of their running plays,and they become perhaps a little more predictable.
32:58Kansas City is 2-0 against Baltimore.In one of their games, they got a 23-6 lead.Baltimore had to throw.They had more success.The Chargers beat him once when they got a 12-0 lead.20-3 at one point.They had to peel off, did the Raven.Some of their running plays became a little more one-dimensional.
33:16You know, inevitably, what really makes Baltimore go is they're great at running and great at the quarterback running and great at passing and great at long ball passing.They do everything well.What you hope to do is if you get the coin flip, do not defer it.Take it.Use every trick play, every scripted play, get a lead, cross your fingers, and hold on for dear life.They're doing so many things at a high level right now.If you could scale off, peel back some of their run options as the clock expires late first half, forced them to throw, that may help.It's not like it's a solution, but it's the only thing I can think of because they're not losing much.
34:00And I do see a little bit of a thread there.And I do think playing behind always impresses me.Deshaun Watson trailed more than he led this year.That's really impressive.To make the playoffs and win a playoff game with that stat, that's hard to do.I've said before, this Baltimore team really reminds me of the Carolina 2015 team.A lot of energy, veteran coach, a unique quarterback talent.The league is kind of bailing water on trying to figure out how the hell to play it.
34:35In the middle of a year, it's like, how do we stop Cam?But there's a difference here.And I got a lot of hate mail.I never bought into Cam.doesn't mean he can't be great, but he was needy and moody and inconsistent.I didn't think he was always coachable.His mechanics got worse over time, and he wasn't very accurate.I never bought.
34:57I think teams ultimately become the personality of their quarterback.New England is efficient and hardworking.New England is resourceful.That's Brady.Brady gets every ounce out of his talent.Carolina to me was inconsistent.So was Cam.Lamar's different.
35:20I can see them becoming a 15-year dynasty.First of all, he's going to get hurt, everybody tells me.Well, can I see him get hurt once before you say that?He never got hurt in college.You had a sprained ankle missed one game in college.Anthony Davis, if you tell me, Joe L.M. B, you know, they get hurt a lot.All right, I've got several examples.I'd like to see Lamar get hurt before you tell me he's going to get hurt,
35:41because I don't see him getting hurt.And I've seen him get whacked about 15 times this year.But here's why I buy into Lamar and I never bought into Cam.And everybody loved Cam's arm and Cam's bigger and stronger and the best Red Zone quarterback running ever.But I never like Cam's traits.I love Lamar's traits.His mechanics are better.Like I didn't like his mechanics in college.
36:05Oh, they're better.And they're more consistent.And they're getting better.So he's more coachable.He's got a chip on his shoulder.Cam in college wanted to be a star.Lamar wants to win football games.Lamar's like, I mean, literally, he don't want talk.
36:18He's not into all that stuff.He's totally into football.He's totally coachable.His mechanics are getting better.He puts himself in harm's way, but he's incredibly humble.When I look at all these quarterbacks, you guys are falling in love with arms.I'm falling in love with traits.I don't like Baker Mayfield's traits.
36:36I don't like Johnny Mansell's traits.I didn't like Jay Cutler's traits.James Winston in college, stealing crab legs.I don't like your traits.Your size is fine.Like Lamar's traits, those are dynasty traits.I'm coachable.I've got a chip on my shoulder.
36:53My mechanics get better.Brady's been working on mechanics in the offseason.He'll go down to Costa Rica with his wife.He's working on mechanics.He's obsessed with it.He's obsessed with film.Russell Wilson, not the perfect size, not the greatest arm.He has great traits.
37:08Driven, chip on his shoulder.or resourceful.So it's funny.This team really does remind me of the Carolina Panthers.And I don't think it means they'll lose in the Super Bowl.I don't.I would probably give them a Super Bowl win unless they play the Niners again.And I don't know.
37:23I'll wait until I see it.But I think this thing lasts.I think it's durable.I think it's going to get better.I don't think Lamar cares about being a star.I think he wants to win games.I think he's humble.And this to me, this Baltimore thing has 15.
37:39years on it. It feels like it's going to last a long time. I never felt that with Carolina.Never felt it. So it's exciting. I think they're going to win this weekend. I don't think there's a wayto stop it. I think there's a way to force Baltimore to scale off some of their running plays if youlead late half, late third quarter. But they're fun to watch. I like watching them. And if they're thenext dynasty, I'm good with it. All the things I love about football, all the traits and habits,Baltimore's got all of them. I'm totally in.Never was on Carolina. Totally am here.One more herd? The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the IHeart
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41:33He also is one of the hosts, a good morning football in the NFL network.via the Coward Global Satellite Networklive from New York, Peter Schrager, Fox NFL reporter.All right, this is what you do for a living.This is what I lean on you on Joe Judge.I said, I read a bunch of stuff this morning.He's verbal.He's got a presence.
41:48He blew away Gettleman.I know Belichick liked him.You did intel.I said yesterday it felt like a panic move,but you did some intel.What are you hearing on Joe Judge?That he comes from a great pedigree and is a leader of men.I want to give some splashy hot take that this was a rush tire
42:04or they should have gone a different direction.but after talking over the last 24 hours,Joe Judge had an incredible interviewover the week and over the weekend,and then they did their research,and it's Belichick and it's Sabin,and at the bottom, at the end of the day,Giants were looking at it,
42:20and they said, okay, here are all our different options.We're meeting with all these different guys.This guy's got five championship rings in 10 years,and Belichick and Sabin from the mountaintopswere recommending him to people to take a look.And Belichick this year,not only gave him that wide receiver's role,but started opening him up to the media a little bit more.
42:38He was being groomed as one of these leaders of men.Now, here's the key thing, Colin.He's not an X's and O's guy.Right.He doesn't do, hey, third quarter, Daniel Jones, third and 12.He's not McVeer or Kyle Shanahan in the ear of the quarterback.He is a CEO.The key is going to be who he brings in as his offensive coordinator,
42:54who he brings in as his defensive coordinator,and also what kind of culture he's building.Because Pat Schumer is a good offensive coach.He's also a good man.I'm told that Joe Judge, even though he's 38 years old,this is going to be a team that is going to practice hard.There will be some live tackling in practice,and there will be a new culture in New York,
43:14one that might be a little bit more tough guy than finesse offense.Yeah, that was the knock on Schumer, not a ton of presence.He was a good play caller,but didn't have that, and the team couldn't get big, tough yardsor make big tough stops.Let's go to Matt Ruhl.He's been a turnaround guy,a little bit more of a schematic guy than just a presence guy,
43:33although he's supposed to be a great motivational speaker.Now, I thought everything I read he was going to be the Giants coach.Carolina snags him. Explain, please.Yeah, this is out of a Hollywood script, and you'll love this more than anyone, Colin.So David Tepper is the owner of the Carolina Panthers.Not only was he a former minority owner of the Steelers,he's also maybe one of the richest men in the world,and he also built one of the most successful hedge funds from the ground up
43:58what he did at Appalusa on Wall Street.If you know Wall Street, folks, they talk aboutTeper as a closer, a guy who just gets things done and has a vision ahead of the game.So Teper walks in there knowing he's going to interview Matt Ruhl before the Giants,and everyone's thinking, Rule has all these connections to New York and the Giants,and Teper basically did one of those moves where he's like, ABC, always be closing,you're not getting out of here.And what he told Matt Ruhl was, I've already rebuilt the entire business side of this building over 12 months.
44:27I've cleaned up a lot there, and it's a blank slate.I want you to build from the ground up, and I'm going to give you that,opportunity to do so. I will also give you all of the resources, both for you personally and forthis program that you ever will need. Tepra came in there and said, look, I used to work with theSteelers. I'm a Western Pennsylvania guy, and we had three coaches from 1970 on, Chuck Knoll,Bill Cowher, and Mike Tomlin. That's what I want to build here, and stability is the key word.You start thinking about all the money you can make, you can build it on your ground up, and youcan really build the old culture. Then you look at the giants, and I'm not saying Rule was
45:05weighing one of the other, but there's Mara, there's Tish, there's Gettelman, there's Kevin Abrams,there's all this stuff that's... This is a blank slate in Carolina and a blank check from DavidTepper. He never left his living room. He got the deal done. Amazing closing job by Tepper,got the guy he wanted, and Matt Rule is going to be the Carolina Panthers head coach.I'll tell you this. He's going to do his press conference, his welcoming press conferencetoday. I think NFL fans are going to be very impressed with what they see. He's interviewed for twoother jobs, the Jets and the Colts, and I've had leadership and brass from both those teamstell me he blew them away for those gigs. Matt Rule is going to be a guy to watch, not only at
45:38the podium, but with what he builds in Carolina. Okay, so Mike McCarthy gets the cowboy job,stayed the night with Jerry. He had to say something that Jerry liked to hear because I don'tthink any of us thought he was the lead candidate. Lincoln Riley didn't even get the, he didn'teven get, you know, interviewed. So is it, did he say something about, you know, Jerry, Dak. I mean,What was the sauce that got McCarthy for Jerry to say, stay the night at my house.We got to meet for breakfast and talk again.Sounds like a great situation if you're Mike McCarthy.Here's the deal.
46:11Jason Garrett was gone regardless.Jason Garrett is this Princeton academic, this erudite guy who can do it all and is really wellrespected and loved in that building.If you bring in Lincoln Riley or you bring in Urban Meyer, you're basically saying,okay, guys, here's what we can offer you.Mike McCarthy came in there and Colin from everyone I speak to was like,I just want to coach ball.I want to coach football, and I am focused on football.
46:33And I've taken the past year to not only look at what maybe went wrong at the end of the Green Bay era,but what I can do to get better.This guy, I talked about it on the Fox NFL kickoff show we do.They built a bunker in his house.He would have Frank Signetti, Jr., and he would have Jim Haslitt come over.And on Mondays, they would watch the entire league, not just the broadcast copy.They'd go through the All-22 and watch all of these different teams and use analytics.Yes, analytics. Mike McCarthy, who's this Western Pennsylvania, former toll booth guy, would come in and say, let's look at the analytics. Let's embrace it. He sold this to Jerry Jones and said, basically, I just want to coach football. And I watched all these quarterbacks. There's a lot to like about Dak Prescott. I think I can get the best out of them. This is a football hire through and through. Jerry Jones is very happy with having a football guy and Mike McCarthy and also bringing in what he's going to have. And already, they've hired the special teams coach from the Rams, John Fossil, who's very well respected,
47:28his bones and his defensive coordinator.We don't, Mike Nolan, we know as a football man as well.So this is going back to basics, Cowboys football.Let's get us back to greatness.Okay, Cleveland's the last team.They got the pick of the litter here.I've said before, I know Josh McDaniels is smart.He's better than Freddie Kitchens.
47:46But until this owner's less impulsive and until Baker's less impulsive, I don't care whocoaches.I really don't.If the owner is this impatient, it'll never work.And if Baker's this impulsive, it'll never work.So I think those two things are key, but they're going to hire somebody here.I would guess that is offensive-minded.That's my gut with Baker.
48:05You've got to save your number one pick.Or am I wrong?Is Josh McDaniel the leader in the clubhouse today?I don't think we're going to answer to the Browns coaching job until early next week.I'll tell you why.Josh McDaniels does an interview until Friday.And the day before him, to me, is a very interesting interview.Kevin Stefansky, and Amy, you're not going to hear a bunch out of on every show.
48:25but Kevin Stefansky is the offensive coordinator of the Minnesota Vikings.Last year, Stefansky came in there and wowed the Browns.Absolutely blew them away using analytics, forward thinking,and spoke to Paul D. Podesta, who is one of the chief strategy guys in that room,and spoke very clearly with him.John Dorsey pushed hard and got Freddie Kitchens the job.Well, D. Podesta really liked Stavansky.He's going to meet Thursday.
48:50McDaniels on Friday.Little note on McDaniels.The year that Baker was the number one overall,pick, there was a lot of talk about how much the Patriots brass liked Baker Mayfield.And knowing that Brady's days might be done at some point, do we move up in the draft and tryto take a swing at Baker if he slips?He didn't slip.But when you think offense in New England, Josh McDaniels was one of those guys.
49:11And if he was interested in Baker Mayfield, then I'm sure he's interested now.Two more names really quickly.Robert Sala, the defensive coordinator, very impressive out of San Francisco.He's a name you're hearing.And Jim Schwartz is interviewing with the Cleveland Browns today.He's got history with the Browns.Also a guy. Defense, all business, no joking around.Let's be the best and most disciplined team on Sunday.
49:34That might work more than the loudest team all offseason.By the way, I said this earlier.I got a lot of heat.I think the Ravens remind me a lot of the Carolina Panthers in 2015where there's this unique quarterback.The league's bailing water on how to face him.They've got a ton of energy.A lot of young players in a belief system.
49:50They're playing at home.And I think Baltimore is a really special team.I don't think you can stop Lamar.I think you can hopefully get ahead on him, force him to maybe run less.But I'll tell you, I never bought into Carolina and Cam because I didn't like Cam's habits.I thought he was sometimes unfocused.I didn't like his mechanics.I thought he was hard to coach.
50:08I didn't think he was always humble.And frankly, even in his MVP year, he completed 59% of his throws.Lamar's a better thrower, deep intermediate short.I think he's humble.I think he's all about football.I think the next dynasty could be staring us right in the face in Baltimore, and I'm all in on it.I like it.What do people around the league say to you about Lamar and the Ravens going forward?
50:33How this team is so unique in that they were the outliers this year, and they were completely zinging when everyone was zagging.You know, over the off season, they built an offense around Lamar Jackson's talents.Now, Cam Newton was in that Mike Shula offense.He got a lot of draw plays.He did some things with his legs.This team, they run with a fullback and three tight ends in their core offense.Sometimes they put six offensive linemen out.So everything Lamar is doing, a lot of that is just how great Lamar is in the open field and how well he can pass.
51:02The other part of it is they built a team and an offense around his skill set.You will never see a team block like they block for Lamar Jackson and Baltimore.Watch it on Saturday night.A lot of times Andrews, Boyle, Ann Hayden Hurst are all in the field at the same time,and a lot of times they're blocking for him.And they've got a fullback in Patrick Ricard.Not a lot of these teams use fullbacks.They use the fullback.
51:25He's out there just about every play number 42.He blocks for Lamar Jackson.So it's not just Lamar.It's a philosophy.It's a culture and a team that completely bought into what they're doing in 2020 and beyond.I love this.I think Lamar Jackson's here to stay.
51:40And guess what?If no one's been able to hit himand knock them down in 17 weeks,I don't see it happening in the playoffs either.Yeah, never got hurt at Louisville either.to miss one game because I sprained ankle.I sprained ankle walking to the set this morning.Last night, a blown call changed a game.
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