Colin Cowherd Podcast - The NBA’s “Pete Rose” Gambling Scandal, Eliminate Two-Way Player Props? Wemby Is UNGUARDABLE
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02:38on Hulu and Hulu on Disney Plus for bundle subscribers. Terms apply. Danny Parkins is the perfectguest today for this show. Not just because he enjoys a little parlay from time to time,but his, yeah, like tonight.But so, but it is a, it is something I think both of us feel strongly about is I, I always push back.I think the media, the mainstream media sometimes can be really outdated and precious when it comes to gambling.Europe's far ahead of us, has been for years.And the truth is, I, and this is another criticism I have of the media, they tend to pander.And so I don't think because there's more gambling opportunities, it's an invitation to be an addict.
03:46I don't think more bars are going to induce you into being alcoholic.I think there are rules.There's laws.These are personal choices people make.But I do think addiction is a sad tale because many addicts are poor with no way out.Where Chauncey Billups to me, Danny, the part of this that's just minding.mind-boggling. Forget the fact that Chauncey Billups made over 100 million. He was always thoughtas a very kind of smart, I would say, almost a coach while he was playing. He was an adult in the
04:22room that he played rigged poker games knowing they were rigged. I'm, I don't even, I mean,if you'd have told me, if you'd have given me 20 names of people and he was on it, I'd say,well, it's not Chauncey.That I know for sure.Of all the stuff on Rozier and Chauncey Billups and Damon Jones and the La Cosa Nostra and the poker,Chauncey played rigged poker games and knew it.To me is the, what?What?
04:56Does that land similarly to you?Yeah, of course.And I mean, obviously, we have to say all of these things are like alleged at this point,but they've got some pretty damning specifics here, right?So, you know, let's just have the blanket, their allegations thing out of the way.And yes, Troncy Billups' reputation was sparkling.And, you know, it appears that he also is involved in the sports gambling one as that unidentified person who played from this time to this time.And there was a coach from this time to this time.
05:29And it was an Oregon resident.Like that, we're going to talk about a lot of this.But like, if that is true, like, let's just assume that.that the unnamed person and the sports gambling one who fits the exact description ofJohncy Billups is Johncy Billups.I mean,that is the NBA's version of Pete Rose.Yeah.
05:51You have an NBA head coach tipping off a gambler that he's going to sit players so that they should bet the under.Like that,I mean, he's in the Hall of Fame, Colin.Like, can he get thrown out of the Hall of?of Fame? Yeah, yes. Right? But that is on the table for his basketball reputation if that is true.Because I would imagine he would not get thrown out of the Hall of Fame for just the poker side of it.But if he was, if it's proven that Chauncey Billups as an NBA head coach, it was proven to letting gamblers know what he was going to do with his players for the purposes of betting unders on props, he'll never be allowed around basketball ever again.And it would be a startling fall from grace for one of the guys with like a truly immaculate reputation within the game.
06:46Yeah, like there are, you know, I can think multiple things at the same time.If he was a, you know, like when people have problems with addiction, and I don't know if this is addiction, but when people have problems with addiction, there's varying levels of it.I mean, I had somebody close to me that drank for 50 years and stone cold stop at 64 and has never touched it.And it's like, and I've heard multiple stories of that.My dad didn't have that ability.So some of it's genetic.Some people are wired to be able to stop stuff.I don't have an obsessive compulsive personality.
07:25So I don't have that.I worked once in the Pacific Northwest with somebody who had moderation issues with food.and gambling and behavior.And it was scary.A person could not control everything from food intake to temper to gambling.So I don't know if that's the issue.But Chauncey certainly could seek help and could afford help.What really bothers me with Chauncey, though, is the rigged poker games, because that's
07:55more sinister to me.It's one thing.It's stealing.Yeah.It's just, it's, it's just, it's, it's, it is stealing.I mean, listen, so I've played in, like, I play cards.Nick and I have played cards together forever.Nick at this point is a much more accomplished poker player than I ever was.
08:14But I have, so I've lived in Chicago, Syracuse, Kansas City, and now New York.I have played in what are technically illegal poker games every place I've ever lived.Because what makes a poker game illegal is if a place takes a rake.If they take a Vick, right?Like you go to a casino and you play poker, maybe they'll cap it at 20 bucks a hand.It's a percentage of the pot up to a certain amount.And then it's capped.And that's how like the house makes their money.
08:52And so like if you go to a guy's house and he's got a table running and he's got a dealer and, you know, you drink for free and maybe maybe order pizzas for the room or whatever the case.maybe like how do they pay for that? How does the guy make his money?They take a rig, they take a vig out of the game, right?A rake is what it's called in poker.And that's like technically illegal, but it's not a big deal.Like it's not, it's just everybody does it for forever.But if, and when you go to any game that isn't in a casino, you of course have like a,some fear of like, is the game on the up and up?
09:27Do the players know each other?Is the dealer in on it?Like that is like a thing that you take on.some level of risk, which is why it's like, quote, unquote, safer to go play in Vegas,to go play in Atlantic City, to go play in, you know, the casinos in Chicago or wherever.So that's where I would normally play.But I've found myself in these games before.And it's in the back of your mind, but it is what it is.
09:51But if with the allegations about Chauncey Billups that the dealer was in on it, the other players were in on it,and he was as the letter of the.letter of the law.What the FBI guy was alleging is that he was what they called the face card,play in a game with Chauncey Billups,which is what would get big fish with money.Oh my God, I've got money.I can play $10,000 buy-in poker games with an NBA with a Hall of Famer,
10:20and I get to meet him and take pictures or whatever.And then if Chauncey Billups also knew, which is what they're alleging,I mean, he's a common criminal.Like it's it's it is it is the it is the same thing of going into someone's house and robbing them of their jewelry.You know what I mean?It is it is theft.There's nothing.There's no other way to describe it.
10:41Yeah.It was, you know, I'm much older than you.And my first job was in Las Vegas.And I came in there pretty naively to Las Vegas.And I covered Jerry Tarkanian.And Tark was always fully aware of the casinos.There were some, uh, I could name a couple of guys.guys that were around the program, one of the things Tark had like, I remember this, like 40 free tickets.
11:06That's unbelievable. Like Jim Herrick at UCLA had like four. You know, Tark had like 40. And by the way, he would give him to a guy I know. We used to call him a track suit, Tony. He would give him 35 of the tickets, 36 of the tickets. And Mike would sell those tickets and bring back, you know.Yeah.And then there was another guy named Larry.I'm not going to say his last name.He had a big business on the side.And, you know, there was always these feelings of these guys aren't, you know, I don'tknow about these guys.But I knew the guys, they were fine.
11:44They were just like guys around Tark.But there was always reputations.You know, Tark hangs around the, and my take was, guys, they're not mafia members.Like they own businesses.They're just kind of, they want to be, you know, Tark was the biggest celebrity, notnamed Steve Wynn or Mike Tyson in town. But, and I, there was a lot of talk through the years.And I just didn't buy into it because I, the only time I've seen Tark turned gray is when I brought upgambling. And he's like, it terrifies me. He just like changed personality. He goes, it terrifies me.
12:16And it was Tim Gergerich and those guys. They, they, and Lois Tarkanian, and they reallyeducated the players. And then one day, the administration was trying to get Tark out, includingthe athletic director at the time. And a picture.a Sunday morning, Las Vegas Review Journal of Moses Scurry, Anderson Hunt, David Butler,in a hot tub with Richie the Fixer Perry.And so I was like, oh, program over.So that obviously the AD found the picture.They got it to the, you know, newspaper.
12:48So I was right.Suddenly I was a crime reporter.And it's just no fun.You know, I'm like 29 years old.I want to talk Mike Tyson.And I'm talking about Richie the Fixer Perry.And nothing was ever really proven.And I still to this day would defend that program to the ends of the earth on any of the gambling stuff.
13:09Tark constantly pled with his players to stay out of these casinos.But I think one of the things I said today is since the chariots in Rome, mafia gambling sports, you just have to understand.it's not because it's now legalized.It happened to Henry Hill in the 70s at Boston College.Too many people are jumping to, see, this is the problem with, you know,a fan duel.My take is, guys, my take is you're really naive.In fact, I'd say it's more regulated now and it's arguable.
13:44It's more monitored now.My take is these stories are good, actually, because it fishes out the bad actors.Okay.There's a level of nuance to this.as I see it. It is objectively true that the way that these players got caught,Jonte Porter, Rozier, like for tanking their unders, is because it was legal.Like, it's, the regulation is what allowed it to be caught on day one.If, if Terry Rozier's player prop of nine and a half points is posted, and normally that gets
14:28$2,000 worth of action across a bunch of $10, $50, $100 bets.And then one day, there's mid-five figures of action.That gets flagged.Yeah.And it gets notified.And the site, Fanduel, Draft Kings, Hard Rock, whomever, and the league,their interests on that are aligned.Yes.
14:55Because the NBA wants the integrity of the game.and the gambling company doesn't want to lose money.Well, in Vegas, the margins for sports betting in Vegas in 2025 are thin.Right, exactly.So, like, they're, they are catching that quicker and more accurately.Yeah.Literally the day it happens in all of these cases that have come up because of the regulation.So, like, the idea that it is, like, happening more because of it, they're going to all
15:29also catch it. I will say, though, that like, it is easier to gamble. Yes. Because it is legal.It is easier to have a phone, have access to a debit card. Like, when I started online gambling,when I was 15, 16 years old, it was like, it was like offshore. And you had to,it wasn't that high of a barrier of entry, but it was like, are you going to get paid?Do you have to buy a phone, like a international calling card to deposit?Did you have to wire money?Would your bank accept the check?It was a whole big runaround.
16:09Now it is just like much easier.And there have been studies done on Twitter, Instagram, all these apps on our phone.They are, they are programmed like slot machines to get you to keep checking, the pings and the notifications and the lights to get you to keep logging back on.It's just like Silicon Valley's algorithms.They want you on the phone.phone. Well, so that's what I'm saying. So I do think that it would also equally be naive to dismissthe barrier of entry to gambling being easier than ever before, pretending like that does not havea causal link to an increased amount of problematic gambling behavior, primarily in young men.
16:55Right. Like, I do think that those numbers are going up and will stay up. But it ain't going away.Yeah. Right. Like prohibition doesn't work. To your point, it doesn't work with alcohol. It doesn't work with weed. It doesn't work with gambling. It doesn't work with sex. It doesn't work with anything.Never has. So, and never has. So, you know, I've, I've read really smart columnists on this.story. And, you know, a lot of the conclusions are similar. And it is, you know, like,the leagues got in bed at the gambling companies. That comes with a cost. Was it worth it?And those, the leagues are all universally going to say yes. Yes. You know, and like,they're, there, so these stories are going to happen. And it's, it sucks. Danny. But I do,I do think it is an unavoidable cost of the legalization of,
17:55sports gambling, but there's no putting the genie back in the bottle.Listen, Hollywood called Saudi Arabia money blood money.It's a complicated world.Now Hollywood's taking Saudi money, right?So when I hear people say, well, live, oh, stop.There's a real truth out here.The Puritans are always people that don't get offered things.Chris Rock, you're as, you know, you're as loyal as you.
18:25or options. The internet trolls, the anonymous people, they're always the most unified in theirpristine views of the world. And the truth is, if you're offered stuff, people eventually take it.They justify it. Saudi money was viewed one way. And then now it's not. And the reality is everybody,networks, Hollywood, leagues, everybody accepts it. And I look at sports gambling.Again, there's a little bit of a link with alcohol where I think, listen, I,leagues, for instance, stadiums cut off alcohol sales in like the seventh inning.Like, we're serving it, but we're stopping at the seventh.You know, bars, you know, tell people enough.
19:15My concern is, I think the prop bets on your phone are endangorous.But if you ban that, well, then it goes to the unregulated market.And that's worse.So to me, I would just rather have all this crap monitored.I want all gambling monitored closely.And then, I mean, like, one of the problems.I think there's a, yeah.Yeah, sorry.
19:37No, sorry.I think, I think the prop bet thing is an interesting, like, I do think, I wonder if it is,if there's an interesting thought, though, to like, if you're, if it's a, like, what thelevel of player is that should have a two-way prop market off.Like, should I be able to bet the under on the eighth guy on the NBA team?And his prop is like six and a half points.Like, I don't know.Like, maybe they shouldn't be two-way markets.
20:10That's interesting.And that's bad.That's bad for me as the gambler.Yeah.Because, like, normally you get way worse odds if they are just one-way market becausepeople like playing overs so those things get like inflated.Like the sharp money is often to bet unders because people like betting.overs, right? But I do wonder if a potential solve for this is you can bet Terry Rozier's over.
20:35And that's it. But you cannot bet. But you cannot bet his honor. That's right. That's right.I think that there's that that might be a way to help in the prop market a little bit becauseit, that is a legitimate problem. Like that is a legitimate integrity of the game issue. And again,I feel like the leagues and the gambling companies, like the gambling company might scoff a little bit.That's going to cost us some money.And the league's going to say, deal with it.Like you want to be partners with the NBA, the NFL, Major League Baseball, be our official gambling partner.Like you've got to take that 1%.
21:11Like people aren't going to just, they're not going to stop gambling.There's going to gamble on something different.You know, so I've been thinking about it a lot.I feel like maybe that's a potential solve.Listen, our, it's just, no more two-way markets on player props.Yeah, our brains work similarly because I thought about this interview I was doing with you tonight.And I was thinking about prop bets.And I'm like, well, well, I don't want it to go to the unregulated market.
21:35That's, that's nonsense.You can't, I mean, you just don't have the same radar.But I do, my mind went to the same thing.It's just no underbets because then it can be manipulated by, you know, the whole thing.Like Tim Donegie always said, I wasn't trying to change outcomes.I just called more fouls to get the over.right like and i've always been more concerned with officials in fact danny through the years i you knowi got into this discussion today with a guy at the gym who was a huge fan of yours by the way and thank me
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26:14Listen to Sports Slice on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.For more, follow Timbo Slic Life 12 and the TikTok podcast network on TikTok.What I've always thought, the easiest thing to change an outcome is basketball,especially college basketball where there's 350 Division 1 programs.Many of the games aren't on TV.It's very easy.I mean, I could go, when I was playing basketball every day, high school, college,if you told me missed the free throw long, and I certainly wasn't a great player, I could
26:58absolutely do it.I mean, they went back and looked at the 1970s Boston College videotapes.They went back.The FBI went and looked, Danny, they couldn't find, they could not find a moment.And they looked.They said, we're not really sure where it happened.And they, and, you know, Henry Hill, you know, there was prison time beyond indebted.indictment, there was time served.
27:25They couldn't find the actual place.So I think basketball is uniquely placed in a spot where, first of all, there's abrotherhood in football.There's a physicality to it.I mean, if you get called out on Monday's meaning for missing a block, I mean, players fearthat.That is a situation.In baseball, I guess you probably could.
27:52swing at a bad pitch.Boy in basketball, Danny,missing an 18-footer.These guys are so good.I think it's a,I think it's probably happened more than we think.Good God, go back to the Jordan finals.There was a gambling stigma.
28:09There's Donagie.There's this.I think basketball is uniquely,um,vulnerable to this.I think for team sports,I agree with you.What about if you're a great tennis player or you're even just like, I'm better than my opponent,
28:31and I'm supposed to beat him in straight sets.So the over under for sets is three and a half.But you're like, I'm going to hit a few into the net and I'll just beat him in four.And I'll bet the over on sets in this.There's been stories that tennis has been the most rigged sport of all the sports.Well, right, that's what I'm saying.Like, I think what you're saying about team sports, basketball is probably the easiestto disguise.
28:58I agree with you.But the easiest ones are the individual sports because no one else, you are, you don'teven have the guilt of letting someone else down.You just have to live with yourself.Like tennis, golf, obviously boxing.You know what I mean?Like the individual sports are the ones that it's probably the easiest to manipulate outcomes,even if you don't change the outcome of who wins or lose.
29:22loses, but just like I said, over unders, props, this match. I'm going to, I'm a golfer.I've made the cut because I shot a 66 on Thursday, but I'm not going to win the tournament becauseit's going to finish it, you know, 25, 25-20s. I'll shoot a 71 on Friday. No big deal.Think about baseball. It's so damn hard to hit a ball to begin with. It's hard to rig a sport.Hey, listen, I'm only going to get a hit tonight. Shit, you may go old for the series.Yeah, right.Absolutely. But the thought, though, was that now in pro sports, there's so much damn money that how could it really be worth it?And Porter, Jonte Porter and his brother, Michael Porter, they got to stop talking.
30:13Because one of them was like, you could have a bad game, but like you could tell your boys you're going to have a bad game and you could hook it up and everybody can make 10 grand.It's like, shut up. Like, what are you doing?Like, but that's, I think that's part of it too is that some of these guys are like literally trying to like put their friends on and like, yeah, go make 10 grand.I'll have a bad night.My contract is guaranteed.And so it's just the ripple effects of it.And so it's going to keep happening.Yeah.
30:43It has happened before.It is going to keep happening.And I will say too, this is bad.and it's weird that it's Chauncey Billups,have you yet had your mind go to the place of like,wow, this could have been a lot worse?Oh, listen, listen, think about this.Go back.
31:03If it could happen to Chauncey Billups,isn't it fairly remarkablethat he was coaching a bad teamthat wasn't trying to win anyway?Like, if it happened,like, Chauncey Billups could have been the coach of the next.Well, I think, don't you think at some levelwhen you have a bad team,
31:21you, you,validate it by saying, hey, I'm just, I'm going to empty the bench anyway. I'm going to do it.I'm just going to give one guy a heads up. I can see where I, this is not the Western Conferencefinals where there are bonuses on the line, the world's watching. It's, hey, I was going to rest threestarters. I'll just rest six. I could see somebody talking themselves into it. I, I, listen, I guess Icould too, but if you can talk yourself into that and it works and then your team gets good,and you started doing it, like, where does it stop?And where does it stop?
31:55And why did he need to do it?And like, we're going to learn so much more about all of this.The other thing that I've heard players say, and I've talked to a couple about it,but enough of them have said it publicly that I don't need to present it like it's like any sort of proprietary thought is the amount of like harassment that the players are now getting from people in their DMs,people in their mentions, whatever, because, like, you blew my parlay.Yeah.That, that, there's no solve to it.Like, I, there's no, there's no, I can't think of a, other than, like, I hope humans just start behaving better.
32:39But, like, that, I understand why players who aren't caught up in this hate gambling.Because they just got to be like, God, God damn it.Like, it was one thing if I was getting yelled at for, like, your fantasy team.Now it's like a college kid who's in a fraternity at Alabama is DMing the quarterback because he blew his $20 parlay.Like, that's just got to be, it's got to be every game for every player constantly.And so, like, again, no solve, but just like the unintended consequences of the reality of everybody having access to everybody's podcast.because everybody has a phone and everybody's online and now everyone's gambling.Like, I'm not going to sit here and pretend like it's good, but it is just reality.
33:31You know, it's funny, too, the NBA more than any league is a culture league.And that's empowered the league.I mean, I just look at the NBA.There's stories about Paul Pierce playing in poker games all night, getting up the next night and dropping 30.Yep.legendary stories. Michael Jordan, you know, in golf outings, the day of the NBA finals orEastern Conference finals. Yeah, playing Blackjack in Atlantic City between games against the next.And card games on the team flight. I mean, the culture of the NBA is less brotherhood and more
34:13individualistic. And guys take care of themselves and their friends. It's different. It isThe NFL is really about, there is, I think in the NFL because everybody's playing hurt every week.And so there is sort of this understanding that we're all sacrificing in this.I mean, Mahomes' career is basically hinges on people blocking for him.Basketball is, you get yours, bro.Go get 25 tonight.And the great ones, the all-time great ones, Danny, as you know, they can get 35 a night.Luca could score 40 every night.
34:45LeBron could have scored 45 virtually every night.There's no guarantee that Mahomes could go.45 of 48. It's just a different sport. There's no guarantee that mooky bets could hit 300 for a season. He couldn't hit until September. So the great basketball players, there's always been sort of an independent cultural nature to it. And I think part of gambling in football or baseball, you'd be letting your teammates down. And in basketball, I think there's a sense of like, bro, I am the team.I mean, I don't know.It feels like to me you just get it more in hoops.More, more.I think more is probably is probably fit.But I mean, again, it's an addiction.
35:34It can get anybody.Pete Rose in baseball.The Black Sox in baseball.Like could a cornerback who knows he's going to be assigned to guard, to shadow A.J. Brown.tell his boys to bet the over on AJ Brown and just bite on every double move.Right.But you know what I mean?Like you could.
36:01You'd let your team down.You'd get crushed in the team meeting.But I'm just saying like I, if you are a gambling addict,in terrible debt, or just have really bad judgment.And you are a professional athlete,you can probably figure out a way to manipulate an outcome.Not guarantee an outcome.I don't think a cornerback of an NFL team can guarantee an outcome of a game,
36:31but you could give edge.And you know, like, that's all of these professional gamblers are looking for.They're looking for edge.Like, sure, things are great, but they're looking for edge.So I think every sport is vulnerable to it.So this is interesting. Brian Winhorst said this on The Rich Eisen Show.He said, I just want to point something out. The sports books caught the irregularbetting on Terry Rozier the day it happened. And guess what? And guess what? The NBA,
37:03Roseer didn't play the rest of the season and he fake the injury. So it wasn't because of the injury.The NBA pulled him because they knew it.Oh, that's interesting. I mean, I knew that I knew that the least.Seigs caught it immediately because of that, but I didn't even put that together about the injury part of it.So the NBA knew they pulled him, pretend it's an injury. No, you saw, for the record, you saw the internet rosier turnovers last year, I suppose.Yeah, yeah, of course, yeah.They didn't make sense. It looked like AI generated. It was insane. I remember seeing them and thinking there's something, he's troubled. I thought it was a, I thought it was a.episodic episode.
37:49Yeah, I thought there was just something wrong with him.So what Windhorst is saying is, no, they knew they knew something was up and they,and they pulled him.Yeah, that's interesting.Yeah, I mean, listen, bad day for the league.Bad day for the league.And I read Dan Wolkin's column and he was talking about like the erosion of public trust.Like, are you going to, like, are people going to keep watching and keep believing?
38:20that what they're seeing is on the up and up.And, like, eventually there could be a tipping point with this sort of thing.But I...And of course I...Isn't that overst...I mean, I was...I've been hearing that for years.I agree.
38:32I agree.I think that, like, we...Listen, if it...If a Super Bowl ended up being exposed as being fixed,like, would the NFL ratings be down the next year?Probably?You know, like, probably.Probably like that.
38:54But but like, but they wouldn't, they wouldn't go to like Monday Night Raw.You know, like it would.It's not like I really think that we are so.We're talking addiction.We are so addicted as a culture to live sports that it, they operate as if they are bulletproof because they probably are.Like that's the.Some people would turn on it permanently.I mean, listen, there's a huge.
39:22There's a subsection of people, some of whom are in the media that legitimately believe that the NFL has rigged the Kansas City chiefs to become a dynasty.Yeah, no, I know.You know, like the internet is just, like, people have been red-pilled, and they have, people go down, you can get any conspiracy theory confirmed by your algorithm.And so people believe that every call is rigged against them.And that that probably has gotten worse by gambling.But I don't think that people are tuning out because of it.No, I, I, you know, like I just, but it's just like going to be a thing that people like us are going to have to deal with in like, why aren't you talking about this, Kyle?Why aren't you talking about the fix being in for the chiefs?
40:08It's like, because it's not.I'll give you an example of something that I haven't talked about.And nobody really cares, but I'm sure there have been people that question it.the Pablo Tori-Kauai Leonard Steve Balmer investigation.Oh, yeah, here we go.And the reason I haven't talked about it is I don't care.The Clippers are not a topic on L.A. Sports Radio.In L.A., it's Dodgers, Lakers, Rams, USC.
40:36The Clippers aren't a topic.So I'm as a syndicated host, nobody cares.Secondly, remember when LeBron had those comments about ChinaAnd everybody killed LeBron.And I didn't cover the story.People have said, that's cowardice.And I'm like, it's bureaucracy.Nobody cares.
40:53That's not a good topic.90% of what I do, I think I'm a great topic selector.One of the things I found through the years, NCAA stories, the audience doesn't care.They know they're incompetent.The Kauai Leonard, I think Pablo Tori is great.I tried to, we looked at hiring him at the volume.I think he's terrific.But it's the Clippers.
41:14Kawai is an enigmatic, nonverbal, unlikable star.The Clippers are the second,that's about the eighth most popular sports topicin the city in which they are based.And it's complicated.It's a complicated story.But I like what you said about Pablo.Like my guess is you wish that that podcast
41:34was under the volumes umbrella.I think it's made for podcasting,not made for broadcasting.Right.Yeah, but those are two separate things.That's right.Like, like, it not being a topic for you and your audience and your TV and radio show is like a totally reasonable, like, editorial choice by you.But since you brought it up, fascinating story.
41:57Yeah.Like between you and me, right?Just like if no one else was listening to this right now, between you and me, if we were having a cocktail, be like, holy shit.Like, there's something there.You know, he, he, it is interesting.Joe Rogan has topics.You could never put on TV or radio.Correct.
42:16Of course.Yeah, absolutely.I'm in my car for 40 minutes.I'm like, lizards are fascinating.Yeah, yeah.So it's like I every day choose stuff I can talk about in eight-minute segments.So one of the things about this this morning when I woke up and saw Terry Roseir, I'm like, Jesus.So I first thought, is this, am I into this because I used to work in Portland?
42:40And then I'm no.MVP, head coach.I thought he was just in the poker part of it.Well, at first it looked like he was.And then when people actually got to read the dozens and dozens of pages of the thing,it was pretty clear that he's not just linked to the poker thing.But I don't think it's, I really, I think all of us bake in.We don't trust our government.
43:05We don't trust politicians.We hopefully we trust our partners.But I think.nobody wins leagues don't win, Vegas doesn't win, the sports books don't win, the teams don't win, if there is rigged sports.And they all sort of patrol it.You can control it with proactive, proactive protection, signage, lectures, symposiums.Severe punishments.Or you can do it by finding it.
43:41postinvestigation, right, or post action.So what I always tell people who think about the rig stuff,I'm like, if you would have picked the NFL to be rigged,would you have picked the two New York teams to be unwashable for a decade?Right, right, of course.And then Green Bay and Kansas City, the cults are the surprise of the league,all these tiny markets.
44:06Baltimore's always good and New York's always bad.So I think fans are prone.when they lose a bat to think it's rigged.And that's why that chorus is always, you know, ready and willing to fire.Yeah.And I think also that I forget who the stand-up comic is, but he's got a hilarious bit that comes up in my algorithm, making fun of people who believe in every conspiracy theory.But he's like, I also judge you if you believe in no conspiracy theories.He's like, you think the government's batting a thousand?
44:43Like, you know, and so like, it's a very funny punchline.And the, and so like, you know, was there something with the, uh, the lottery to get Patrick Ewing to New York?Maybe.Like, maybe there was back in the 80s.But like, do I think it was rigged for Cooper flag to go to Dallas?No, I don't think that Adam Silver and what Ernst & Young committed felonies to, like, commit fraud.Right. But like I think that like there's just there's always like a whenever a tragedyhappens, there's immediately a cottage industry saying that it was that it was a conspiracy.
45:21So this was an interesting, to me, interesting journey with Tim Doneggee because I read a lotabout it. And I brought him on my show before. And I think Tim Donagy confused, riggedwith a human condition. So he would.would say, well, if this guy was officiating, he always gave the veterans the call.And I always used this.I officiated for three years in college, $8 a game, child of divorce, I ate because Iofficiated four intramural games a night.And I'm not joking.
46:01I took it very seriously.And when I really, I got to the five, I remember the guy that ran it, he's like,you could be a professional official.goes, you really care. And I'm like, yeah, I mean, these guys are working hard. I'm going to beers.And I'm at frat parties with these guys. I don't want them to hate me. I want to be a pro.And one of the things I always found with basketball, Danny, I always rewarded the more talentedplayer because more talented players always got the first step, jumped three inches higher,and the other players were always reacting to the better athlete. And so during the Tim Donegie thing,
46:38I was like, yeah, the veteran star players do get the call because they're better players.And they do get their ass in the right spot and their elbows and the angle.And so my take was always, Tim Donagie thought there was lots of guys doing it.And my take was no, Tim, that's the humanity.If you go look at baseball umpiring, Danny.And I really looked at this because a chapter I wrote in one of my books, there were umpires that were pitcher umpires.Kurt Schilling talked about it.He's like, yeah, this guy's had six no hitters.
47:08This guy's had none.Some guys gave you the corner.Is that rigged?Kurt Schelling used to keep a book on umpires.He's like, this guy will not give you the corner.This guy will.This guy gives you the inside strike.This guy gives you the high strike.
47:24Herm Edwards told me this one time.He goes, there are officiating groups in the NFL that do not call PI.Like, you can grab and push and they just, they're very, very willing.The lead official is it's an old school guy that, like,likes physicality. I think sometimes we think that's rigged, but everybody knows in all these sports,there are officials, you know, there was, it could have been Steve Javvy was always good to roadteams. He was like, and that was Steve maybe overcorrecting. I think it was Steve Javier.Thinking he was impartial. Yeah. Tim, some of these officials are like, I'm not going to be
47:59because of proximity of fans, I'm not going to be a homer. That's not rigged. That's just the humancondition. That's just who we are. But I can imagine someone listening to this.this entire podcast and us 15 minutes ago saying that we've probably seen more fixed sportingevents than we know of.Yeah.And now saying, but that doesn't mean the things are rigged.And that's why when people see an injury that doesn't look serious or a weird outcomeor a bad turnover or a drop pass or a horrible call, your mind goes to it.
48:39And it's not rational, but it's like, well, if it happened with Donagy and it happened with Pete Rose, and now it happened with Chauncey Billups, and it happened with Porter, and it happened with A, B, C, and D, college program, it's like, well, if I have 15 examples of it happening, maybe I'm spotting the 16th.Like, maybe I'm on the wrong side of it.And so, like, because, so that it, that's why this is fascinating and why it's confusing and why I think it's a problem where there can be improvements.but I don't think it's a solve.I think this is a problem without a solutionbecause gambling is not going away.Legalized gambling is not going away.In fact, it's going the other way, right?
49:19We still don't have, it's not federally legal.There are people, I cannot bet in New York Stateon a legal app.I cannot bet awards,MVP,coach of the year,rookie of the year, whatever.Now, I have ways to get bets down, right?
49:41I can text a buddy in Illinois who will place the bet for me and then I'll Venmo himthe money or whatever, right?I have the ways to get it down personally.But there are people who live in a state where they cannot gamble and they will driveSunday morning across state lines to place their bets.But people will find a way.That line in Jurassic Park, like nature will find a way.Like I was when I was in Kansas City, when we did first things first before Chiefs Eagles,
50:11meeting with a buddy I used to do radio with, it's, it's legal in Kansas and just becoming legal in Missouri.But it hadn't come online yet.And he was like every Sunday morning, my wife knows 9 a.m.I go.I get Starbucks.I bring it home for her.And then I drive 25 minutes across state line, pull off.and there's 15 cars at the same exit across state line.
50:40And it's people placing their bets in the parking lot because they're crossing the state lines.And it's like, is that addiction or is it entertainment or whatever?But the point is, like, it ain't going away.And now Missouri has illegal so my buddy doesn't have to drive across state lines anymore.And so if I want to make a bet on, you know, Janus for MVP, and I can't do it in New York, I'll just text a buddy.I'll find a way to do it.Well, I own two wine stores in Connecticut, maximum beverage.And for a long time, I mean, there's certain every stage.
51:14Send me some, send me some Pinot Noir.Oh, I got some blends.Maximum beverage, folks.It's we got the best.Single barrel, bourbons, everything.Great.Great.So, you know, when I was introduced to this business, you know, every, it's the Wild Wild West.
51:33I mean, it's, you know, what you can do in New York, Massachusetts, and we found out very quickly that, you know, if Connecticut had stores closed on Sunday, well, people in Connecticut would, let's just take a 45-minute drive to the mass border.People are going to find a way. Listen, I grew up in Washington State. I don't know how it happened. But pot was plentiful in my town from the time I was 12 until the time it was legalized.It's just there's a lot of plants.Everything grows in the Northwest, and there was pot everywhere.And so you can, like we said, prohibition doesn't work.People are going to bet have sex, drink, and gamble.I love all of those things.Hey, it's Colin.
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54:37So how do we actually come up with a nameHey Jonas, guys?I honestly don't remember.I think it was on a call aboutwhat we should call it.We were thinking I'm originallycalling it one of theearly names of our band
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56:52give you context and ask the questions everybody wants answered.Sports Slice brings you closer to the action with stories told by the people who live them.Listen to Sports Slice on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.And for more, follow Timbo Sliced Life 12 and the TikTok podcast network on TikTok.So I had to scrap my lead today.Literally, with 20 minutes to go, I scrapped my lead.We had, I thought I was getting Kosh Patel on the show.What happened was, yeah, that would have been a spot.
57:28Yeah.Wow.I hope everybody realizes that in 30 minutes.against the best front line in the league.Wemby did wilt.40 points.No turnovers.Oh, hell yeah.
57:44Let's talk about it.Okay.Time out.What is he?22?Yeah.Okay.40 points, 30 minutes,
57:53three blocks,no turnovers,15 rebounds.Lost in all of this.That's one of the top five lines in league history.30 minutes and 40 points.He shot six.70% from the floor in Dallas has the best front line in the league.
58:08Yeah, it, it broke my basketball brain.I feel like, listen, I have loved him ever since I've seen him as a prospect.Everyone has.I've talked about him in pretty, like,lofty terms because of what he can be.But the maturity of the offensive game that he showed last night,I put together like a list of superlatives today on first things first that I ran past Nickin the segment that we do together on Thursdays.
58:42And I was like, which of these do you think at the end of his careerwe're going to be able to cross out the names of the guys who currently have the recordsand it's going to be him.So like three guys have the record for most defensive player of the year awards with four.Oh, he'll win 12.That's what I'm saying.But it's like Ben,Wallace, Rudy Gobert.
59:05They have four.I would lay minus 500that he gets more than four.I mean, obviously the game minimum threshold is like the only impediment to that.But like, he's 22.He's going to, I agree.12 is on the board.Only player ever to win the scoring title and defensive player of the year.
59:28Michael Jordan did it once.Feels like when Binyama could be the second.You know what I thought about?watching him last night? What's that? I always had this feeling that if you did a one-on-onetournament, Michael and LeBron, Kevin Durant would be up there. The bigs, Janus would be good,but he doesn't have the ability, you know, because there would be three in the key to make it fair.I looked at that and I thought to myself, I'm not sure how many points LeBron in his prime wouldscore on Wemby. I'm not sure. He blocked a shot. He got a rebound over Derek Lively
01:00:08last night. And J. Billis said it. Lively 611. He looked like a sixth grader. He blocked a shot.These guys that are 610 and long, they turn around. Wemby moves off his player. He's blocking theball near the elbow, somewhere between the wrist and the elbow. And I think to myself,If you added six inches to Kevin Durant and had the same quickness and a little more length,like, I'm watching him and I'm like, I'm not really sure how you defend it.You don't really defend this.No, you don't, you don't defend it.And like, I just, I've been thinking about it, like, basically all day.
01:00:56I think we're going to just see things that we've never seen before that we're not even going tofully realize what we're seeing.Like, he did something last year that I, like, demanded we get into breakfast ball becauseI'm like, I promise you no one cares about this game, but I promise you no one's everseen this.He shot a three-pointer, and it was like, you know, he was like fading back a little biton the three, like a pure jump shot.Like, he wasn't like running towards the hoop.
01:01:23He shot up a normal three-pointer.And he could tell off his hand that it was long.so he lands from the jumper and charges,and he tip slammed,he put,like a put back slam,his own missed three-pointer.Like,
01:01:41we've seen that on free throws,but on a three-pointer,it was insane.Yeah.And I just think we're going to,we're like,did he take two dribbles from half cord and dunk?Like,
01:01:55you know,I think we're going to just like start to like recap.We're going to have to like,recalibrate what is actually possible.There's a story about Mike Shashefsky, and I think Mark Few was there in Jim Beheim.It was Olympic basketball.And it was one of their first looks at LeBron playing in a practice.And I had heard this story.
01:02:17I don't know if it was from a friend of Jay Billis or it was somebody that, and I like, by the way,Jay Billis on pro basketball.I think he does a good job.I really do.I think he clearly cares.He clearly can.He does his home.work. He keeps it to the game. He's very good. Yeah, Jay's really good. And I think it was a friend of
01:02:35Jay Billis that told me Jay had told him they were doing a practice and Shoshavsky was at half court,kind of arms folded, sitting back on the bench. And there was a loose ball and LeBron picked it up,full steam, swooped in to pick it up and dribbled twice and dunked it. And Shishovsky just wasbeside himself. He's like, that's six-drylop.dribbles, maybe five with Jordan. And it was, to your point, like Shoshchewski was taken back by it.He turned to the Beheim or few or both and just went, what did we just watch?Steve Kerr, through a friend, told his story. One of the first times he had to face LeBron.And it was just like, I don't even know, whatever. Like, oh, what do you want me to do?
01:03:25So I think Wembe similarly, I just, I was watching with my wife.I said, see that guy in the shoes that are the bright shoes?I see he'll probably be the best player in the league this time next year.And I said it today.Luca and SGA can't dominate a game on the defensive end and Yonis can't shoot, you know, beyond 16 feet.Yokic is a more complete offensive player, moderate mid-defense player.by the All-Star break.I mean, Jesus, Danny, six more games like last night.
01:04:00Is he the second best player in the league?Yeah, I mean, like, so I think that this is, it all depends on how we define this.Like, I always define that question by like the literal definition of what that means, like a scout's eye, like the best basketball player.Basketball people and media, really just, not just basketball, because I think we do it in football.too. We like,I don't think Tom Bradyis the best quarterbackbecause I, he is the most
01:04:32accomplished. Sure. He isthe goat. Yeah.But like, but like,best quarterback is not goatto me. To me.Because, because it's like a scoutingterm, right?The guy last night's the best player.
01:04:48Wemby is,when, Wembe is the best player.because I obviously agree with you.Yokic is a better offensive player.Yeah, more polished.Yeah, sure.I agree.But like, how much better is he offensively?
01:05:0410%, 15%,is he 20% better offensively?Wembe is 100% better defensively than Yokic.So, you know what I mean?Yeah.The gap between, like, Nick was saying today,Anthony Davis would have been like the number one pick in the draft to like guardWembe. I would say it would be Yonis younger, stronger more like like stronger basically than
01:05:32Anthony Davis. But like they're both it's they're two of the top three or four guys that youwould choose to try to guard to guard Wemby. But so like the gap between Wembe and the secondbest defensive player in basketball is the Atlantic Ocean compared to thegap between Yokic and the second best offensive player in basketball.Right?So he's incredible.Yeah.And so I, but in basketball, we usually say like, you have to do it in the playoffs.
01:06:06You have to win an MVP.You have to win a title before you can have like the best player alive title.I don't agree.I personally am like Aaron Rogers in his prime, Patrick Mahomes in his prime.They're better than time.Brady or Drew Breeze.They're not yet more, I mean,Mahomes is actually now more accomplished than Breeze.
01:06:26But you know what I mean?Like they're not,they're not, have more yards, whatever.But that guy last night,he's going to have a quadruple double this year.It's only happened four times in the history of the league.It would not surprise.No one's ever done it more than once.
01:06:41David Robinson did it once.Hakeem did it once.It would not at all surprise me if Victor Wembeñamahas multiple quadruple doubles this season at 22 years old.No, it's almost like in Hollywood.You don't have to win an Oscar.I mean, I can remember the first, remember the movie Capotee.Yeah, of course.
01:07:03Philip Seymour Hoffman.And I remember watching that movie.And he was in Boogie Knights.Everything he was in, he was great.It's incredible.I remember watching that and thinking, oh, that's the world's best actor.If you go back and watch Capote and you,and you look at Truman Capote's personality
01:07:25and what he did,it doesn't sound anything like any other character.And I remember watching it and just thinking,it doesn't matter if he wins an award.That's the best performance of the year.I don't even know.And so, like, I see this all the time in sportswhere I'm like, we've seen this in tennis.
01:07:40Like, you know, Federer was the most profound.But, you know, you're watching the Jokovic at some point that was younger.And you're like, well, that's the more,that's the more ferocious.player. That's the more intimidating player. His winning points are more impressive than Federer. Federer is just like Brady.He's efficient. He's smart. He has this capacity to play his best on the very best points, but he loses many points.So I agree with you. I think I watched Wembe, and I didn't say this on the air, but I thought, if he did that game like two more times in a week, you're like, that's the new standard.Well, that's the best player. Yeah. Well, no, right. And listen, it is of course possible that they keep his minutes
01:08:21low all year and that the offensive efficiency cannot sustain at that level.You know, like it's possible that that's not like a majority opinion by the end of the year.But like, unless he gets hurt.Yeah.I legitimately think he will win the next 10 defensive player of the year awards.Yeah.I'm not, I think every year he plays the 65 game minimum into his mid, early to mid 30s,I think he will win the defensive player of the year award every single year.
01:08:55And then if you're a top 10 offensive player and the defensive player of the year,you're the best player.That's just how it works.I'm sorry.It is a two-way sport.Offense is more important than defense, but like he,how many shots do you think he altered last night?Or how many shots do you think people didn't take because he was there last night?
01:09:18Like, it's like, oh, he had three blocks.but he had to have altered 12 shots.It's like,how many times did Dion Sanders get attacked in his prime?You just threw to the other side of the field.So it's like, people like, well, he only had 12 interceptions.It's like, that's because nobody threw to his side.His interception percentage based on targeted throws was through the roof.
01:09:44Yeah, you have to watch the game.Like, you have to watch the game to be like, oh, a 6-9 dude is dribblinginto the paint and then retreating.Like, that doesn't happen.They all try to get fouled.Like, they all try to just jump over someone because they're 6'9 and the other guysmaybe 6.11.No, he's 7, 5, and doesn't foul.
01:10:04Like, it's unbelievable.And they, I know people keep wanting to give them Janus.That would be insane, obviously, if Janus and Wembe played together, they would win thetitle this year.I wouldn't screw up there.I think between Stifone.Ron Castle, Wembe, their recent draft picks, I wouldn't screw.Dylan Harper?
01:10:26They're starting five as excellent.Yeah.I mean, I think I could see them trading Deerrin Fox.Yeah.Like if, if Dylan Harper is what NBA people think he was going to, like, I had an NBAperson tell me that they could not believe, like, he's like, people are undersellingthe fact that they got the second pick in the draft.Everyone was like, oh, man, it would have been amazing if it was Cooper Flag.
01:10:46Like, yeah, they're like, Dylan Harper's going to be awesome.And he had 15 points last night in his NBA.debut and like looks smooth.Well, you notice.If that's a real player, did you notice?They're going to be great this year.So the last couple of drafts have, so last year's draft was very good,2026 NBA draft supposed to be great and two things are converging.
01:11:08The NIL money, American college programs are buying the best Spaniards.They're buying the best European players.So we're getting about 10 to 12 European players that were not in college basketball threeyears ago. Also, about six to eight guys are staying in college one more year.Did you see the story, those Izzo comments about the kids who went, or the kid who went fromthe G League to college? Yeah. I don't know how I, that doesn't, well, is it, so like, can LeBrongo play four years at Duke? Like, I'm confused. Like, I know that, like, you can get paidinternationally and you can get paid in the G League
01:11:51and you can get paid in college. Like technically youhave eligibility. So what's the difference?But like,come on.We got to put a cap on it somewhere.Like,I don't understand.Like,
01:12:03I was,like,is those comments like,oh,it's kind of an old man.He yells at Clouds.Like,I was like,
01:12:09no.Like,I haven't been following the story very closely.But like,I think I'm with him.Like,we can't call it college basketball if you can go play.And I get it for international players.
01:12:18Like,if you take it,if you took money from a under 18 team in Lithuania and then you want to go play at Kansas,like I got no problem with that.But like, if you're 24 years old and you've been in the G League for three years,you can just go play college basketball, I don't know if I like that.Yeah, no.That doesn't seem right.
01:12:40No, no.I mean, the NIL's got all these like exits on it that are very, you know, people are always yelling.You know, I talked about this today with James Franklin and Billy.an apier. Everybody's like, these kids make a bunch of money. And I'm like, the coaches make11 million now. You got to beat good teams. Like the whole world's changed. I used to think it wasridiculous to fire a college coach midseason. Now I'm like, well, he made 12 million. And he wasbad against top 20 teams. And it's time to fire him. Yeah. And I have no problem with collegeathletes getting paid, obviously. I'm just like, like, this is a, it has gotten complicated.
01:13:14Like, because yeah, of course there will be kids that like go play college basketball.and make a few million bucks and stay in college because that's going to be the height of your earning.And that's great.And that's how it should be.But I don't know that I love pro basketball, still have eligibility.Like, they got to figure that part of it out.But when Binyama now is, like, they're going to be those popular league pass team ever.Like, I can't imagine missing these guys' games.
01:13:41Like, I'm going to put them on, even if it's just the second screen, just to, like, keep an eye on it to see if you, like, dunkfrom half court. Like, it's, it is insane what that guy can do.Here's, here's a weird thing that popped into my head. The ability to go from the G-Leagueto college, like it's a line you, you're not comfortable crossing. It's almost like if you goon a ski vacation with four couples and everybody decides to put on bathing suits and go inthe hot tub and you're mostly naked sitting next to all your wife's friends. And then one guyjust starts making out with one of the other wives. You're like, whoa, that doesn't feel right to me.I know we're naked and we're in water and we have champagne,
01:14:22but that's a bridge too far for me.That's what you're saying, basically.Oh, that's a very specific example that if you want to unpack that a little bit more.I know you probably have some houses with hot tubs that overlook the mountains.So I don't know what situations.That sounds lovely.It sounds like, you know, let your freak flag fly.But, yeah, I just, when I read those, like, my buddy said it to me.
01:14:45He's like, what do you think about G league players playing in college?I'm like, they're not a lot.I'm like they're not allowed to.And he sent me the news article.He's like, what are you talking about?I went insane over it.And I've like read the article.I'm like, I need to catch up because I'm 100% with Izo.
01:15:00Like it just doesn't even though you can make more money in college than you can in the G League.And like maybe there should be a loophole for international.It doesn't feel right.There should be like an age minimum and maximum.Like they got to figure something out.You should not be able to go be coached by an NBA organization and then go play.for the Missouri Tigers.I just, I don't, I don't like it.
01:15:22And you shouldn't make out with your friend's wife just because you're half naked in a hot tubwith a glass of champagne and veil.Everybody knows, in veil now.I've gotten to know it.It's as if it happened.Yeah, yeah, yeah.Hypothetically speaking, at the four seasons in veil.Yeah, the four seasons.
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