The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Sharp or Square - NFL WEEK 10 Bets: Rams-49ers, Ravens-Vikings, Packers-Eagles and NFL Trade Deadline Reactions

Episode Date: November 5, 2025

NFL betting expert Chad Millman is joined by professional sports gambler Simon Hunter to discuss the latest NFL spreads. Together the duo discuss their initital reactions to NFL trade deadline moves, and then provide initial betting picks and predictions for NFL Week 10 starting with Thursday Night Football, Geno Smith and the Las Vegas Raiders vs. Bo Nix and the Denver Broncos. Simon and Chad go through Jared Goff and the Detroit Lions looking to return to form vs. Marcus Mariota and a Washington Commanders team still reeling from the horrific injury to Jayden Daniels. They also look at Lamar Jackson and the Baltimore Ravens taking on J.J. McCarthy and the Minnesota Vikings, along with Matt Stafford's Los Angeles Rams heading to San Francisco to face Christian McCaffrey and the San Francisco 49ers. We also hear about Jordan Love and the Green Bay Packers hosting the Philadelphia Eagles on Monday Night Football, and the latest NFL game in Germany between the Atlanta Falcons led by Michael Penix vs. Daniel Jones and his Indianapolis Colts. And finally, we learn whether Aaron Rodgers can win again for the Pittsburgh Steelers against Justin Herbert and the LA Chargers, and an AFC East divisional game between Josh Allen and the Buffalo Bills vs. lame duck coach Mike McDaniel and the Miami Dolphins. #Volume 0:03:00 - START 0:08:49 - LAS VEGAS RAIDERS VS DENVER BRONCOS 0:13:45 - ATLANTA FALCONS VS INDIANAPOLIS COLTS 0:17:50 - BUFFALO BILLS VS MIAMI DOLPHINS 0:21:08 - NEW YORK GIANTS VS CHICAGO BEARS 0:28:55 - NEW ORLEANS SAINTS VS CAROLINA PANTHERS 0:34:00 - CLEVELAND BROWNS VS NEW YORK JETS 0:38:45 - JACKSONVILLE JAGUARS VS HOUSTON TEXANS 0:41:05 - NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS VS TAMPA BAY BUCS 0:46:00 - SAUCE GARDNER TRADE REACTION 0:52:00 - BALTIMORE RAVENS VS MINNESOTA VIKINGS 0:56:45 - ARIZONA CARDINALS VS SEATTLE SEAHAWKS 0:59:55 - DETROIT LIONS VS WASHINGTON COMMANDERS 1:04:05 - LA RAMS VS SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS  1:08:45 - PITTSBURGH STEELERS VS LA CHARGERS  1:12:02 - PHILADELPHIA EAGLES VS GREEN BAY PACKERS -- All lines provided by Hard Rock Bet Subscribe to Sharp or Square for gambling advice, best bets, and predictions from sports betting experts Chad Millman and Simon Hunter. Follow on all platforms: https://www.instagram.com/sharporsquare/ https://x.com/SharporSquare_See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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the wise guys pay attention. I am Chad Millman. I am joined as always by my co-host, my BFF, my companion, my compadre, professional better. Simon Hunter. Hello, Simon. Chad, I woke a little sad today thinking we only have three months left of football, brother. I can't believe it's flying by this fast. When I started making notes for the show yesterday, you know, I title all my notes, columns like sharp week XX, Tuesday, Thursday, Sunday, a.m., Sunday, PM. when I wrote week 10, it was shocking to me.

Like the on-ramp to joining the volume was so sudden. And then to now be 10 weeks into this thing and the season be more than halfway over is, I'm already kind of sad. It always hits me when, you know, after the clock changes. and by the 430 games it's dark and I know when I take the garbage out later it's going to be cold and dark and it's going to be like that and the only thing that makes me happy on a Sunday is the football and that's like we're on the other side of it that's no fun I know another way though as a guy who's overweight this is overweight man's season got got it bundled up uh I love

I love Thanksgiving, again, a big guy. Love Christmas. Like I love this time of year with football. It actually matters and the games matter. Like that Bill's Chiefs game, that's like the first real playoff, Stone Seder of this season. Like it's getting me right into the mood of November, December football.

So I'm with you. I obviously, I'm a football guy. I love the warm weather, but this is the best. Like as a football fan, as a cold weather fan, it doesn't get much better than right now. How much weight will you actually gain during overweight season. I don't because I pack it on.

Like I stress ate hardcore September. We had a rough September. We had a nervous September because we had to do well. Yeah. Let me probably put 20 pounds on then. I probably dropped five pounds since because like it's all good, right? Life's all good now. But yeah, September, that was a tough month for your boy.

I was stress eating because I just couldn't sleep. Like that's the hardest part. If you can't sleep, you just eat and you knock out. You know it is if you have a full stomach. It just knocks you out. Like I'll just get a bowl of pot. pasta and I'm out. Pasta is literally the worst thing you can possibly eat.

You're eating a bowl of pasta at like midnight? Or like four in the morning. Like I've worked all night. I got to go to bed because we have a show, whatever it is, 11, 12 in the morning. Just got to eat bowl of pasta puts me out. I know. Again, I'm not doing it now. Now that we're late in the season, I can sleep.

But yeah, when I'm stressed out, I can't sleep. I mean, again, that's part of the gambling life. Like I can't stop looking at the numbers and think what I'm missing. So, yeah, now it's all good. Dude, I haven't eaten a bowl of pasta, period, let alone, Gola pasta at 4 in the morning. Wow, that's crazy. I mean, I'm in an unfair spot. I have a guy who makes it by hand a block away from me in Haddonfield, like this amazing

Italian restaurant, and it's like, it's the best pasta and sauce you can possibly have. I'm with you. I was not a late-night pasta guy either until I met this man. I'm just addicted to it. I'd like to meet him, see what he can do if you can turn me into a late-night pasta guy. Listen, it's been about 40 hours since our worst week of the season. Talk about stress. It took me until yesterday afternoon to really feel like, okay, I can start looking at these numbers again.

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You can also subscribe to Sharper Square on Apple Pods, Spotify, wherever you get your pods. All right, we've got a Thursday night game and I think you and I both have a strong opinion. on this. Las Vegas at Denver. The Denver Broncos currently eight and a half. The first note I made on this game, no hesitation. Give me the Broncos. What say you? Shocker, chat. Simon says, give me the Broncos minus eight and a half. Simon says Broncos minus eight and a half presented by hard rock bet. I want to play a game. Simon says. Simon says.

It is a little shocking. I don't know if we've ever had a Thursday, Simon says. I've done them, but it's shocking. I would take this big of a favorite, honestly, a divisional game. When we just talked about how we need to get back to our dog ways. It's really about the number on the spot. And I'm excited to dive more into this game as a week goes along here, see where this number does go like this.

Raiders team could be sellers right now. And that's why I want to get this number out early, people to grab this number early. because it might just be the Brock Bauer show, right? They already traded Jacoby Myers this morning for a pick, you know, to the Jaguars. Yeah. They're sellers and they should be, right? I talk to people all the time within that organization.

That game last week, not that I dictated if they're going to retain Pete Carroll, but it kind of did. Like Pete Carroll put his neck out there, wanted to get Gino. He needed some wins here, and it feels like they're a package deal with. they keep tanking to get a quarterback this year, they'll send Pete and Gino pack. And so I think that was a give-it-all game last week that they blew. And we talk all the time. Situationally, there's certain opportunities during the season. This feels like a rare opportunity. You have a Raiders team that played a really hard fought game and went into overtime and used up the full

overtime clock. Like they played a ton of football. And now they're on a short week on a Thursday night football it's pretty easy numbers to find teams in this exact spot six and 25 against the spread so 19% all right let's check out what's it like for that team on the road even worse three and 16 against the spread in this exact spot so you know could this be an allyer could this raiders team pull off the upset sure but this is the type of game where the raiders team like last we thought we had a good spot we that was to me a good bet that we got unfortunately got got by the backup quarterback here this is that game that bow nicks just blows out teams like it's a bad raiders defense that's really bad against quarterbacks going to run the football yeah on the

flip side defensively i love this matcher for this Denver team and a get right spot against a quarterback i still don't trust even going back and rewatching that raiders game it just felt like the brock bowers game like he had just had defenders bouncing off on him making plays nothing gino did in that game give me more confidence he's still throwing off his back foot still happy feet still lock it in on his number one read and that's the only read he's going to throw it to. And lucky for him, it's Brock Bowers who obviously is a game changer. So yeah, this number, I thought it'd be getting to 10. It's gone the other way.

It's gone from 9.5 down to 8.5 right now. So pros are coming in on this Raiders team, but I'm going to go against him here. I think they're overreeding on a short week. I like this spot a lot for this Broncos team. And a team that typically Bo Nicks, he dominates in these exact spots. Simon, this might have been, there's probably three games that I feel great about right now. It'll change over the course of the week. This was one of them.

Everything about this to me screamed, get right spot for the Broncos, a much better defense, a Raiders defense that gives up a 71% completion rate in the secondary. We saw how Trevor Lawrence did it against them. kept them going down the field. That second half was just a track meet. This is a much, much better defense. Don't forget it. In that Jacksonville game, Trayvon Walker left the game

because he tried to close fist, close fist, punch a guy in the face. He was ejected. That was a significant difference in the game. Like you could see they stopped getting any pass rush on Gino once he went out of the game. That's not going to be a problem for the Broncos. And they are just too good defensively,

too well coached offensively. Even Bo Nix can't get in the way of this. Thursday night home favorites of more than nine. 61% against the spread. Thank you, Killer Sports. I thought you would like that one because I knew you liked the trends. But I like it too in this case. I think we're going to end up having Denver in our final five

and as a contest play. And it's going to be a rare Thursday play for us. that'll be interesting we definitely have a conversation on Thursday Atlanta versus Indy this one's in Berlin 930 a.m. Eastern Indy's a five point favorite

someone was impressed with the Falcons because this one after their loss to the Patriots and after the Colts lost to the Steelers this moved from six and a half to five and a half down to five at Hard Rock five and a half in a lot of other places listen

Colts were undone Sunday a lot of turnover specifically by the steep forced by the Steelers best playmakers are the best times pressure from Alex Highsmith pressure from t.J watt the Colts gave up five sacks and the Falcons like one in ten one of ten of third downs played opportunistically but not well they did exactly what they needed to do when they got the turnovers from Drake may fumbles intercept on Sunday we talked about the wise guys I mean the the Falcons and the wise guys have moved it in that direction I think I think I like the Falcons here I don't know I'm worried it's going to move too much I like the

falcons we talked about it six and a half Sunday night that's where I wanted to be um you just I mean you nailed it they were one in 10 on third down I don't trust Benix man I just cannot trust this kid It's so inconsistent. It's so up and down. And we joked, we really did steal that one. Like, that's why we always say you just trust the number. You bet when you bet those games. And I had no idea how Atlanta was going to get there.

I knew they would find a way. Here, the way the number has been moving, it's like, are they going to find a way? Has the number moved too much against a Colts team that we talked about? Like, when it's going, they're an absolute juggernaut offensively. It took five insane turnovers by Daniel Jones for them to lose. by seven last week. Like, can't be understoodated enough how good that offense is in a game like that.

They can still put up 20 points. So I know it's tough. I want to be on the Falcons. There's still one plus six out there. You're able to. If I have to make a pick right now, yeah, I'll go that side. But this gets below four. If this gets to four and a half, four, I might have to take a position on the Colts.

It's just international games always is going to lean towards the favorites. Yeah. And I get what the pros are doing here. Like I said, that's such a key number of betting the six down. But Hard Rock, they're showing us. They've already been hit by the pros. They're the first book I've seen, get the five. So, yeah, it's slowly becoming a colds line.

I'm not going to touch it yet until it crosses another key number. If you obviously listen to show Sunday night, or you can get it right now, get the 60 if you're still able to. Atlanta at that number feels right. But, man, we joke. I went back and watched that Atlanta game again because it's just like, How did we get away with that one? That was like you.

I saw that side. I didn't realize there were only one for 10 on third downs. We got away with it because of Drake London. That was it. Just Drake London. Drake London, yeah. That was it. But it's also why we bet it.

Like, knowing he was going to be back is the reason why we wanted to bet that game. He's the best asset that Michael Pennix has. I'm with you. Like, I don't want to, other than Caleb Williams, I won't rest of judgment on any quarterbacks in their second year. And I always loved Michael Pennix. going back to his IU days, but he's way inconsistent and making bad decisions.

He's a rookie. He's a rookie. Yeah. It's a second year rookie. Kind of barely played last year. So. Right. All right, we'll put a pin in that one because five is kind of a dead number.

I don't, I don't, like that's why I was wishy-washy. I couldn't really get a read at that number because I thought we lost it much. Like the pros hit it that hard in a national game. So like you said, it's, it's. it's very clear what position the professionals are on. Hard Rock is a sneaky, sharp book. Yeah, they're always ahead of the line movement. It's pretty wild.

It's pretty interesting. Good indicator. Super Bowl dreams that glowed in the summer sunshine, flicker and fade in the autumn shadows, and hopes that were high in the heat of September can wilt and die in the chill of November. Buffalo at Miami. Miami is a nine and a half point dog.

at home, I don't know, like, you know what you have to do. I know it's, it's, you got to play Miami. I know, especially coming off of that game, but in my head, it's Buffalo or nothing. Like, like, like, I know it's not. Teas that down then if you're going to do something like that. Get them to two and a half, like take him in a seven point teaser or something, but. Here's the flip side. Hold on.

Let me interrupt you for one sec. Because here's the flip side. We got so burned by. by favorites last week, it almost makes sense that we would have to lean into Miami here. Well, it's just, it's also a little bit of an inflated line, in my opinion. It's like the bills minus nine and a half. They can't stop the run.

They're going against one of the best run blocking scheme teams in a lot of football. And I don't know. It's like, like I was talking to the guy the other day, my dream scenario, again, these trades never happened, would be for a guy like A-Chin to go to, the Chiefs. Like they haven't had a Jamal Charles type

in the Chiefs offense in a lifetime. That's like the perfect matchup. But I talked to people in the aim and they're like, yeah, we're looking for a first and a second. It's like no one's going to trade you that

for this guy. It's so they highly value H.N. And this feels like an A.C.N. And, you know, the bills, the last time they played them, that was when it was all going really negative

for that Miami team. And Miami backdoor covered it, whatever it was, but just looking at this line, you're right. Like, we know we're supposed to bet Miami. I don't know if I'm going to force it in to be one of my favorite bets, but it's like a nine and a half, some books touch 10. I'll take Miami, but God, it's, I just, it's hard to trust Miami. They're just so dysfunctional right now.

It's all crashing down. So it was like last week against the Ravens. They had all these opportunities. They outplayed the Ravens in the first half, and they just kept shooting themselves in the foot, self-inflicted wounds. And then the second half, they just couldn't do a single thing. So I'm with you. It's hard to trust this Miami team, but I got to expect off extended rest, playing against a Bill's team coming off a high emotional win this past Sunday,

now going on the road to play Miami here. Just, you know, a point or two inflated line. Once again, not going to force it in, but I do have a model at seven and a half. So I think what's interesting here that we've got to be cognizant of for today at least is who's going to be a seller. We just talked about it with the Raiders. We saw the Miami has already traded Jalen Phillips to the Eagles. So who else are they going to get rid of? But by the end of the day, will Jalen Waddle be on the Miami Dolphins? And if so, would that impact our thinking about betting the dolphins as huge underdogs?

I think you're right. The dolphins are the right side here. They're the play. But I kind of want to wait until I know a little bit more about who's going to be playing. And we don't really don't want to do it. Again, there's tens out there, people. But you can grab the tens if you want, but it's like, I don't want to bet the dolphins.

Yeah. You know who else I don't want to bet? The Chicago Bears are minus three and a half against the New York football giants. Oh my God. I love Ben Johnson. I love it. Bet you bottom dollar you lose the blues in Chicago, Chicago. The other day in the Chicago text chain, that it was a great sort of meme that I got

scent. It said at the top is it's so over the bottom that to the right is we're so back to the bottom is it's over and to the left is we're back. Like that's the life cycle of a bears fan and we lived it all on Sunday. Ben Johnson to me is the saving grace. Every time I watch a Ben Johnson video postgame celebration, I'm just thrilled. He'll drop in. He just drops in. We got some stuff to work on. We're going to talk about that tomorrow. Today, we are going to celebrate our win because it's hard to win in the National Football League. And this team believes in him.

Whether or not Caleb can do it, get us to the Super Bowl, by the way, Simon, because that's how I think about it. Doesn't matter. I love Ben Johnson. Here's my problem. Let me take you through this game. This defense is so bad. Like, if not for the Bengals defense being so bad, the bears do not win that game. And this is the kind of defense that Jackson Dart can get healthy against, right?

He can scamper all over this defense. The secondary gives up a 70, or the team gives up a 71% completion rate, tied with the Raiders for the worst in the league. They're especially bad at underneath passes. Like, if you look back at the bare schedule, they've basically spent most of the year making mediocre quarterbacks look really, really good. And their only wins by margin this year are the Cowboys, big blowout, a lot of turnovers from the Cowboys and the Saints, which if the Saints weren't turning the ball over, that game is much, much closer.

So I'm kind of leading Giants in three and a half here. Yeah, and that's what I was going to. just make it funny a little bit for the Super Bowl talk because it's like you guys only beat horrible, terrible teams, right? And that's reflected this year. And that's why you should be excited by your head coach because that's your coach being the difference because bad teams don't beat bad teams, right? Like at least you're above bad teams at this point where you're not dropping games you should be winning. So the Giants to me are a bad team and they're one of the worst run defenses in all football. This is the exact type of team you want to face it if you're the

bears but you're right the line makes me want to take the giants who you don't have the defense to be catching three and a half so it's another game you can easily get burned like just like the dolphins but it feels like got to get back to old ways supposed to bet the bears here I mean the giants now with the hook if it was minus three minus two and a half I could have talked us into taking this bear side just because I think they'll be able to move the ball anytime they won against the giants but like you said darts can have a ton of opportunity. to push the ball downfield and use his legs against this really suspect Bears team that didn't you guys just lose another one of your another pass rusher yeah we did so it's it's just bad

you guys are just having bad luck you're already a bad defense and you've been hit by a brutal injury bug so um yeah it's anytime your defense gives up 42 points to joe flakco it's i know it's lazy talk to say yeah they're a bad defense we got to fade him here with dart but it's just to be just to bring it back to the number. That's what we're trying to say here. That's that's the point. We're saying your defense is so bad. I don't know if you can carry a minus three and a half favorite right now. So yeah, plus three and a half, I guess I got to do with the Giants, but I don't feel great about it. They just, no scataboo. All the injuries, it's just, it's really catching up to that offense. In the last two weeks, they've just not looked the same. No. But look, to me,

there's a similarity here to the commanders and how the, they played the bears and their ability to use Jaden Daniels and have him split the defense and run up the middle, sort of these design draws. And also, if the pass rush gets too far upfield, he finds a hole through the middle. Like, that's what Jackson Dart is really good at. And he's been really, really accurate this year. So I think there's so much room underneath for the Giants to find receivers that they basically just have possession receivers, you know, so I worry. I worry. And that's why I want to be on the Giants. Hey, it's us, the Jonas Brothers, and guess what? We have some big news.

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on the night-to-night basis on offense. And when IT's friends stop by, like Quentin Richardson, we dive into some playoff history too. Steve Nass would get that thing. That man. Man, hell get the flying. He running up the court, licking his fingers, why he got the ball. Like, you go through a training camp with that, Isaiah, you figure it out real quick. Get your ass up and down the court, and you're going to get the ball. So listen to Point Game on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. New Orleans at the Carolina Panthers.

Panthers are minus five. You mentioned the Panthers on Sunday Night as a game you liked. We've all thankfully moved on from the Saints. our competitive phase of the season. We've entered. We love the Panthers phase of the season. We know the Panthers are going to want to run the ball with Rico Dowdow. It's how they have won big games on the road this year. And we know they are better at home. Saints D. Bottom five in the league as a rush defense like, across every metric, right? So there is a clear advantage. I will say this number is flirting with a Saints line. I'm not saying it is, but I do think it's flirting with it. Five and a half

it definitely was, which is why it's moved to five. That's what it was on Sunday, five and a half. But that's the one thing that makes me nervous is that we so love the Saints and we've been getting burned by favorites this past week. Are we clouded right now? Yeah, and it's, uh, team that we already love coming off the biggest win they've had as a franchise and since cam newton is that fair to say like this is this win put them to five wins five and four in nfc outside chance at a wild card they're like the bears like it's just two teams that need desperately to win these games and anytime you can steal a game like that as carolina like we said bray shung through for a hundred yards i don't know if we're buying them at their peak like i i think that

they were a good team that stole that game last week. Like, I saw some crazy stat that I didn't even realize. I wish I had mentioned on Sunday. They did not punt Green Bay in that game. They didn't punt the entire game. That's so crazy when you go back and rewatch it. It's like they had their opportunities. Carolina is just a good team and they're well coached, shockingly.

So Tyler Shuck is terrible. Like I watched a lot of that Rams game. There's no way he gives him a better chance than Spencer Rattler. And, you know, that's just a drive. draft pick you make because he never played really in college and when he did play you saw a lot of big time art talent but i think he's like an old man at this point he's already like 25 or 26 which is old in football years and he's got happy feet i just i really i just like you i wanted to avoid this game because it's like i am i overvaluing this my model has it at seven so at least i'm getting

a good number must be my computer thinks where i'm like like you the alarm bells are ringing here Am I overvaluing this team? But I like this match for the Panthers. And I just don't see how New Orleans Saints' offense can keep up with this Panthers team where this is a get right game for them. Because like you said, the Saints struggle against the run. That just sets up Bryce Young to push the ball downfield. Once those safeties drop in, that's what he's been so great at this year. It's finding those open windows downfield.

I like this match a lot for the Panthers. So interesting line moving. A couple books popped minus four and a half on the Panthers. So like Chad's saying, professionals are coming on the Saints. Not going to rush in a take on minus five. It's not that big of a key number. So if it moves to four and a half, I'll grab it. If it goes back up to five and a half inch turning towards six,

I'll come in and grab the five and a half. So again, no better for me yet on this game. Just watching the line move and see where it goes. Bryce Young consistently is becoming one of those players who you love to have when the Panthers are an underdog. He's a gamer. And like his athleticism is shining through. We started to see it last year.

It's carried over into this year. He keeps his head up when he's running around the pocket. He's looking downfield. He's making accurate throws. Like when he is scrambling and challenged and has to be getting the ball down field, that's when he's at his best. You saw it in the final drive, right? He made some great passes.

How hundred yards? But I think he had like 20 of them in that final drive because he just, he's becoming a gamer. He's becoming a quarterback you can lean into when they're underdogs. Well, he didn't have it, honestly. Like he threw a terrible back of the end zone. Terrible pick. That could have killed the game for them.

It should have. Like I said, I can't believe we stole that game. He was 11 of 20 for 100 yards in a pick in the red zone. And that's just how dominant Ricodado in this running attack is right now. So that's what I really feel like both of us. We think he'll bounce back here with Bryce Young in this game. But it's just that running attack, I feel like we'll always keep us above. with Carolina this year.

And like we keep saying, they're a sneaky seventh seat if they can get there. They have the offense. We just, I think we both agree, they do not have the defense right now to be a playoff team. Is Tyler Shuck one season away from eating pasta alone in his house at 4 a.m.?

Just stress eating. If he's lucky enough, I don't mean, some people call that living the dream. You call it your nightmare. Dude, that, the only thing I'm doing at 4 a.m. is peeing. That's it. Cleveland at the New York Jets, the New York Jets, this lumber's moved from one and a half to two, Simon.

I know. They're coming off a by. Are the New York Jets a juggernaut? And look, if, if, it's a big if, they can be halfway competent, I like the Jets here, because I do think the Cleveland Browns offensively, they just cannot do anything. They do not have a professional quarterback. in the room right now. If they did, they would be playing him. So to me, this is really about the Jets. You had a lot of thoughts on this. We talked about this before we came on the air for a minute about this

number. So share what you're thinking. I know. I hate it. I love it people. This is almost my Simon says about like we said, Hard Rock's already moved. There's a couple one and a halfs out there on the Jets you can still get. I'll check real quick. But yeah, they're still there's still out there two of their really big public books. So you can still get the one and a half if you can find it. But this is, it's another game where it was just like our stupid rationale for taking them with CINSI.

They're going to steal games. We're going to win games this Jets team. It's just the way football is. And you look at this matchup like we talked about. I agree. It's terrifying to think of that front of this Bengals team playing against this Jets team. But my hope, which I,

again, I've been suckering into it before, is that Justin Fields and this offense found something against the Bengals to take into that biweek and use it in this type of matchup. Like you have a quarterback that can use his legs against Miles Garrett. That's the only crypto night Miles Garrett has. If you just run away from him and he can't catch you, that's the only way you could stop. There's no one on their team that can block Miles Garrett. There's nothing they can do blocking-wise. But scheme-wise, you can use your quarterback getting outside of the pocket and run away from

with the running back that I like the way this Jets team can attack. this Brown's offense. And we always talk about this Browns team is different away from home, off the grass. Like we always say, it's a fast field. People forget, MedLife, I mean, they don't forget. We all know because it takes people's Achilles and knees every week. It's a turf field. So it's a fast field, which, again, benefits this Jets team in a matchup where I just can't get over this kid, Gabriel.

Like, I am shocked. They didn't announce Sanders was going to be the starter this week. So everything is just so negative behind that Browns team, behind closed doors. and I mean, I know they're coming off a biweek as well. I just can't, I can't see what this kid Gabriel. I know you're in the same boat as me. Like, I've watched so much of him play now. I forever feel so lucky we did take that Miami spot

where that Cleveland team was obviously the right choice there and he threw the ball five times. Like that's how they have to win. So could they get this against this jet team? Of course, we know the Jets. They're an also team that are sellers. They couldn't move, Brees Hall, which would be a big deal, right?

He's been arguably their best offensive piece this season, run the ball. So I'm not diving all in on the Jets here yet, but I do want people to grab the one and a half if possible, because I think that's the pros are going to keep coming in. I can easily see this kind of two and a half three by kickoff. And if you don't take a position at that point, if it's three, sure, you can take the Browns. But at minus one, one is one and a half,

this is a Jets number I'd grab it before it moved. The other thing I would add, one of the reasons why we liked New England against the Browns a few weeks ago, other than the fact it was a Brown's defense on the road, the Brown's secondary is susceptible to big plays. And the one thing that the Jets have been able to do this year occasionally, and Justin Fields showed a little bit of this the other last week or two weeks ago, is throwing the ball deep and any kind of explosive play.

So to me, there is one little offensive advantage, a creek, sneak, offensive advantage for the Jets in this game. We talked about it more than I thought we would. Like, I thought I was going to want to be in the Jets and you're going to be like, come on. Like, let's not be silly here. But so I'm glad on an agreement on that.

The one thing that does scare me is I don't know who's, like, who are they going to get rid of, you know, by the end of today. I just don't know. Jacksonville at Houston. Houston is a one-point favorite. The number has moved in favor. of Jacksonville.

I'm not surprised. I was actually surprised that the number was at one and a half on Sunday night and by yesterday night, by last night, it still had it moved to one. It finally moved to one this morning,

at least at Hard Rock. Like, C.J. Stroud is in the concussion protocol. The Jags D is not the Broncos D that Houston just played it yet. And the Texans D, I don't know,

it may literally make Trevor Lawrence his head spin. It might be more than he can handle. So it's tough to bet on the team that is playing with its backup quarterback as a favorite. If I could get Houston as an underdog at some point, I'd be more interested. Yeah, I hate it because we know we're supposed to bet Houston. I think we're both just so burned by watching three quarters of Davis Mills just do nothing. But that Broncos defense is so good.

like the Jags defense. I know. They just made Gino Smith look like a hero. He scored 29 points against them. Like they scored, God knows how many points in the second half. So it's not the same defense, and he's got a week to figure it out. He's not coming in cold at the end of the second quarter. And that's the biggest deal is he hasn't prepared or practiced with the ones, you know, all year.

definitely wasn't probably diving in until midnight every night preparing in the playbook in case he started this past week which again this is he knows the deal like this is for his future his livelihood this is a super bowl and we always talk about we like backing the backups in their first start usually not the second start but usually the first start and you're right i probably just need to swallow and take uh this houston team but like you i'll just be patient and see what the public and professionals do. If CJ is not cleared, maybe we do get a plus two and a half plus three bump.

And then we're in a really good spot, right? We have this Houston defense as a dog at home against Trevor Lawrence as a road favorite once again. And I tried to warn you last week about it. You don't, I just something about Trevor Lawrence on the road as a favorite will always scare me because he's always going to keep the other team in it. I feel like it's the same thing here.

And we're both, we're both talking about a little bit here where it's like, it's another bet on Houston's defense. Like we have been doing these basketball weeks. It's just such a great unit, especially to turn the teams over. So be patient. Let's see if we got a plus number here on this Texan team.

We have so much agreement this week after last week. I think that actually bodes well. I think last week one of our problems might have been we couldn't find agreement. And it turns out like all the games you liked were the right side. All the games I liked were the right side. And the games that we could agree on were the wrong side. So I think this is trending well for us. New England at Tampa Bay,

Simon the Tampa Bay. Buccaneers are two and a half point favorites. Hit it, hit it, hit it, 100% Chad's choice. Presented by Hard Rock Bet are the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Are you sure you want to do this? Are you willing to make a choice? My choice.

We can't run from where we are. Sharp dudes can just see it. You know what I mean? Buccaneers, minus two and a half, against the high-flying, Drake May MVPing, New England Patriots, and you dropped a little bit of a hint about this on Sunday night. I'm actually surprised it hasn't moved to three yet, and that's an indication to me of the respect that everybody is giving Drake May and Mike Vrable.

I kind of feel like because Baker in the box got beat up so bad by the Lions and then winner to the bye week, they've forgotten that Baker Mayfield was Drake May before where Drake May was Drake May in the MVP race, meaning the surprise MVP that everybody is talking about who's cooking no matter where he's playing or no matter who's on the field. The paths have won six in a row since starting one and two. The last four, Simon, have included blowout wins over the Saints,

the Browns, the Titans, and then a nail-biter against the only, you could say, competitive team they played in the Falcons. The Bucks are in every way in this game, a step up in class for the New England Patriots. And the Patriots on the road, they've now, after playing Hurt for a few months, they're getting guys back. Luke Gettoke, his practice window has opened after being on injured reserve. There's a chance he could play this week.

Baker's had a couple weeks to heal a lot of his injuries and ailments. a confident baker at home as a short road favorite against an up-and-coming team. I think the coaching matchup is good. Like Mike Frable isn't going to out-coach Todd Bowles. Give me the box. Yeah, and it's crazy where I love this one too. And it feels like I gave up five games I really liked on Sunday night. And they all moved in great directions for me.

It looks like I made a couple great bets. except this one this is not budged and of all of them this felt like one the easier picks right we're happy to be selling on the patriots like you said on the road here in a really tough matchup for them playing against the team that and every metric is just better like flat out you talk about a veteran team a complete team that is going to be contending for super bowls you think of this bucks team when you think i'm an overachieving team that's fighting way above their weight right now it's got to be the Patriots like everything is going their way and you know that's why i understand my patrons are so excited the drake may stuff it's crazy i really can't go over you going back and watching that game

he's making really stupid mistakes still did enough to win that game after making really bad mistakes which again that's all you're looking for if you're a Patriots fan you're lying to yourself if you think you're going to have playoff success this year but there's a little thing you can see where it's like drake may might be a guy which is all you want to see at the end of the day so this type of game he goes in there and wins this i'm happy to eat it uh talk to a couple pros hit me up yesterday after here listen to our show and they they like the patriots here and they think we're overrating a bucks team that you know they did get embarrassed by detroit but like you said they bounced back the following week their defense really destroyed the saints

maybe something is wrong with baker and they got good info and i'm missing on it and that he is hurt and even after the bike he's still not right because he just hasn't looked at right in their previous two games. So this feels like a get right spot for Baker. Christian Gonzalez didn't land right. He's banged up for this Patriots team after a really tough game against Drake London last week. So I don't know, Chad.

Why is it not gone to three? I do not get why this one has not moved. So I'm with you. I'll grab it now. If it moves lower, I'm going to be a sucker. I'll probably buy some more bucks line here. But anything under three,

I feel like is a great bucks line. They just feel like not only their field goal better, I feel like they're even better than that. Like they feel like if they get a lot of them, got healthy guys are back this week for them so she let offensive line i could see them steamroll this patriot's defense so really interesting the books have held this at two and a half we have breaking news simon as we are discussing adam schaefter is reporting that the um indianapolis cults have traded two first round picks to the new york jets for sauce gardener

Mm. Sauce Gardner's sort of been struggling mightily. Yeah. With Aaron Glenn this year. So this is a guy who... The Jets have gotten rid of their number one and number two corner in the last two weeks. Because they traded Carter to the Eagles, I think. Yeah.

So to me, is this just a breakup of a bad match between coach and player? Is it a player who after two stellar seasons has hit his ceiling and has... falling off, was it an attitude thing? I don't know the answers to any of these things. They gave him $120 million. They just gave him a ridiculous amount of money. And now he's going to the Colts who have had some issues on the edges

defending against number one receivers. Huge upgrade for the Colts and shows that the Colts feel like they're going all in and that they're in a really good spot right now. I don't know that it makes a different. to me in the number. It's not like, you know, Terry Judy is a challenge. But I don't know if Dylan Gabriel's going to take advantage

in those salts gardener. That's what I mean. Yeah. Also, the Saints traded Rashid Shaheed to the Seattle Seahawks. Interesting, though. I like a Colts win now. I'm all about it. I agree with that with the Colts team.

Like they're, again, idiots like me, I'm never, no, we're never going to believe of them. I'm always going to take Mahomes, Lamar, or Josh Allen, over them in the playoffs. But there's a path. You just got to make it with that type of offense. If Daniel Jones is clicking right. So their biggest weakness by far was that secondary cornerback position.

So that's awesome. They're making moves. But yeah, I don't know if either of us agree two first round picks for a guy making that kind of money. That's, that's questionable. That's an all-in move. Yeah. All-in. Hey, it's us to Jonas brothers.

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And I felt like the Vikings could possibly be it. And I can't get there. I just can't get there. Like I have to believe the signs I've seen from the Broncos defense since they came out of the buy. Baltimore. I mean, I'm sorry, Baltimore's defense. Since they came out of the buy,

plus Lamar Jackson being back, is a greater indicator of the direction of this team than what we saw last week with J.J. McCarthy, who had some really nice throws, and they got him out to the edges where they can take advantage of his athleticism. But Lamar Jackson is not Jared Gough. What the Vikings did against Jared Gough to make him ineffective in bringing the pressure is not going to be as effective as on Lamar Jackson. So I can't get to the Vikings here, and I really want to.

No, and it feels like the books hung a bad line. We talked Sunday. Opening this three minus one. 20 on the Ravens was egregious hard rock i'm looking at alive here in jersey they've just moved to minus four they're the last book hanging on the minus three and a half for this raven's team it's gone every book now is minus four minus four and a half i think i'll keep growing like you said maybe we'll get there on sunday with this viking team because it will be probably the biggest need for all the sports books i'm i'm somebody that i'm as well have just been hammering this raven's money line i don't

I don't get the number. Raven. Lamar just himself owns NFC teams. And you look at this match if we talked a little bit Sunday night, the worst run defense. The Vikings, yes, they did look good against that Detroit team.

Tons of credit to Flores. Are they going to do it really two games in a row? Like, this is, you move Lamar off his spot. He's going to burn here for 20 yards with his legs. Do they have the linebackers of spy Lamar? Like, there's a lot of stuff I like here for this Ravens team

between Derek Henry's, running style and Lamar's running style against a Viking team that does struggle against the run. So really interesting number of the book opened it. Like I said, it's up to minus four and a half now in most books. It's minus four at Hard Rock. I still a little tempted to take the Ravens, but if we can get to the number that should be six, six and a half, and this is the biggest need of the sports book, no chance I let us touch this one for contest or betting wise. But But as we say here right now, if you can get, I don't think you can. If you can get the monastery and a half, I'd still take on the Ravens.

But I think the best you're going to get now is the four. Yeah. Only fours. Yeah. So I'm just, I'm going to wait and be patient on this one now and see what the professionals do with it. But just a terrible opening line by the books. And hopefully people listened Sunday night and took advantage of that number because it

was just egregious. You just mentioned the money line, though. Money line, I think is minus 225. So. Did I see that right? Did I see the right number? I'll check. Hard Rock is minus 210. 210.

Okay, so it's about right. That's moving, though. Like, I've hit that when it was minus 180, minus 190, minus 200. If you can still get the minus 210, I would. Like Chad's saying, I think it's going to settle a minus 225, 230. So, again, I'm not here telling people to go all in on this with the money line, but this is the exact type of games, Lamar does win and cover. He just beats up on defenses that can't stop the running.

we talked about this is a very desperate, desperate Ravens team playing a Vikings team coming off a huge win with a young quarterback and how does he handle that success? I just, I can't get over how bad of a spot this is for this Vikings team on the flip side, how great of a spot it is for this Ravens team. So, yeah, it's not shocking to see this number getting pounded up to four and a half right now. Lamar Jackson's been as good against the bullets as any quarterback in the NFL the last couple years, not counting this year. Obviously, I haven't played as much.

but last year especially, outstanding. I think he's like leading the league in QBR right now too. Like he's just... He's awesome. Yeah. The thing holding them back this year has been their defense and they look like they figured stuff out

like they did last year. Remember that second half of last year? And it's all about Kyle Hamilton, making the adjustments with him, him coming down in the box playing more free. You see it just affects that defense of so many ways with him at Rokkon Smith. Arizona at Seattle, Seattle's a six and a half,

point favorite at home. The line has dropped in seven. Here's the problem with this game. Seahawks are peak, peak, peak, peak, peak, peak, peak, peak, peak value right now. Sam Darnold is everybody's favorite MVP candidate, even though he's still 20 to one to win the MVP. He's behind Josh Allen. He's behind Patrick Mahomes. He's behind Drake May still, who all have significantly shorter odds. And this defense has been unstoppable, especially coming off last week, seeing what they did to the commanders. Carinals have lost close games with Kyler Murray. They finally won one with Jacoby Brissette in an offense that basically with him has just looked much, much better than it is with Kyler. And this is without its first and second string running backs. Jonathan Gannon has

said, Kyler Murray is the starting quarterback. But could they? just sort of keep shadow benching, Kyler Murray, like I would much rather bet on this game if it was Jacoby Brissette than if it was Kyler Murray. Totally agree. And I know it's been very lazy and buoyant to people. I've just been pounding the table all year about it. Seahawks on the road has to become an auto bet.

They're just the defense travels. I said the last week against the commanders, I couldn't get over how underrated the public keeps being on the Seahawks defense traveling. And little that I know, San Darnal was going to be perfect in that first half, just didn't matter so much about what the defense was going to do. Sam Darnel on night like that, you're not going to beat them.

So I just, I'm going to keep doing it. I'm going to keep fading the Seahawks team when they're at home against good offenses because I just feel like their defense plays differently at home. I mean, just going back to the two losses this year, week one, I talked about that was a fluke. I liked the Seahawks. They lost 17 to 13 in the last drive by Purdy in a game, which Sam Darnock just wasn't comfortable yet in that Seahawks offense.

The other loss against the Bucks, the defense gave up 38 points at home against what we respect to be a really potent offense right now in that Bucks team. But I feel the same about this Cardinals team when it's Chacobby Burset. So I'm like, Chad, I bet into this. I won't invest a penny more until I know exactly who the starting quarterback is. I am not betting Kyler Murray in his first start back after a big injury on the road. Even though like I always say, Kyler is a dog is a great bet, I just feel like that's too much ask of the guy coming back

Rusty in this exact spot it's it's too much so I'll be patient I'm not going to force it in there but I man I love this at plus six and a half for the visit Jacoby Burcette just feels like a game they're going to be competitive in it the whole time like we always say this division it's one of the best right now in football the Seahawks Rams and 49ers they're they're the teams but like I keep saying

about Arizona they play teams close they play the Colts close They played Green Bay Close. They play up to the competition level. So I like this a lot if it's per set. But, yeah, I think we're both in agreement. I'm not going to force him if it's Keller Murray. Detroit at Washington, the number's eight and a half. It was three on Sunday night when we talked about like in Detroit.

Basically what we're being told is that Jaden Daniels is worth five and a half points. Do you think he's worth five and a half points? This year, with all the stuff that gets going on, like no Terry McLaren, that feels fair. because he's not been healthy all year. He's been playing through injuries all season. And yeah, no one wants to victory lap saying Washington was going to be bad this year and regress after a quarterback gets hurt. But everything we worried about has come true for Washington.

And how do you now feel bad for their fan base where it's like it's all there, right? Your team is invested to win now for this season. You're like the oldest team of football. Every move you made, it looks like a dud. And it looks like it's going to be a two, three year rebuild now. Like when you're really looking at their team on paper. Well, their defense is just so bad. Petrocious.

And their coach, I said it last week, I think he might be an idiot. Like some of the stuff he did with Marriota treating him as if he was, Jane Daniels. And now, fast forward to this week, having your star quarterback who's playing banged up still in that game that you have zero chance to coming back and then getting hurt, I just can't get over how bad Dan Quinn might be as a head coach. So I don't know. I know we're probably supposed to take Washington here because the lines move so much.

but this feels like a game Detroit's going to win 40 to 9. Just all their frustration from the week before, Campbell just pours it on. I mean, is it, did I see that right? The LeVue is suspended, the linebacker? Yeah. Yeah. So I think he got suspended for hip drop tackle. Yep.

And they're like, dude, we're already finding enough. Maybe it was a third or fourth offense. He's their best, in my opinion, their best offender. Like he is really, really good linebacker. So you take him out. Now you have a 37-year-old linebacker trying to cover the tight ends in the middle of the field against his Lions team. Just disaster in every way. So I don't know if it's gone high enough yet.

I saw a couple books at 9.5 and it's come back down to 8.5. So there is professional money holding us back here. Maybe I just am so bitter at Detroit because they burned us so bad last week. But this is when we're supposed to take Detroit. So I'm trying to try not to overreact because we got so burned last week. these favorites that there are some favorites we just might have to take here in the lines it might be one of them it's like okay mariona might get his against the suspect lines defense at some point but overall i just see this detroit offense doing whatever they want this this this this this watch of

defense might be one the worst in the league it's a tricky one because we're just scared off by the big number again we just got burned by the science team it's just got burned by a lot of teams on the big number and it's uh and it's it's going back into the well on the same exact theory that Detroit can't be bad again, right? That wasn't our theory last week. That was a good matchable, but I just, again, we got golf got got got by Florida. Golf got got got, yeah, exactly. Yeah.

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They lost another edge defender in Mikkel Williams, their first. round draft pick. I know you love Mac and maybe he'll be playing quarterback, but the Rams Rushdie is elite. There is no hole in this defensive unit. They're like top five across every advanced metric, including fifth and EPA per rush. So like the Niners are empty at D-line. they're empty at linebacker. It's a tricky one. The line has moved from three to three and a half. I know you want to play the Niners here,

but it's ugly. Yeah, it's definitely a weird world. Now I'm a lover of Mac Jones, a guy who I just notoriously shut him for you. And I'm all over the Rams, like when I used to love betting Kyle Shanahan as a home dog in a game where they're, they shouldn't have in business.

I mean, it feels like you're, you're overthinking. It's like, aren't we supposed to take, not think about this one, take a 49th grade. Shockingly enough, with Purity, again, if he was fully healthy, I have this line at minus, or plus two for the 49ers. So they'd still be a dog.

Mack Jones is one point difference. Which again, that's why I keep trying to say. The Mac Jones thing, I think it's closer than you realize. They're not that different playing in the Shane-Anne system. And last week, I mean, Mac Jones, I think he was perfect. He was like 15 to 15 to start the game. So we've seen it.

He can push the ball down feeling like you said. That's the nervous part here is we're back in a four-in-old-earcyl. It just has nothing left defensively. By far the best offense they've played since they've lost, Fred. Like that Atlanta totally no-showed. They haven't really had a test, right? It went Atlanta, Houston, and the Giants. That's not three juggernaut of all offenses.

So you're right. For your skepticism, I just, this feels like a type of games of the Rams just laying an egg on. especially the fact that this is going to be one of the bigger public sides of the week. People are quick to forget this Rams team lost to this 49ers team on a short week at home

as an eight point favorite by three. So it's a tough thing here. Is the line moved too much? Like the 49ers have only gotten worse and lost more players since then. The Rams have only looked better and played better since then. So I think the baller's,

books are trying to tell us something here chat so like i i said sunday night i would take the rams of minus three because i just saw it moving this way but i said i i feel like i'm going to have to end up on this four another side and i am going to have to be on the side so i know it's it's gross but i got to hold i got to hold it here and say we got to take 49ers at my plus three now what's so funny about this game is on sunday night i was all over the nineers were you yeah during the show i like as soon as i saw it. I'm like, I feel like I got to take the Niners at three. You're supposed to. We know that much. You were supposed to take the Niners here. And like all the work I did yesterday just made me think, how are they going to stop Matthew Stafford? And how is Christian McCaffrey going

to gain any yards? I just like forgetting about the number, just looking at the schemes, it's a tricky one. We'll talk about it on Thursday a little bit more. And I'll say this. I love our fans, especially like the ones who've listened to us and our donor offseason show. This summer I said I was not investing any money to Puka Nakua and I was investing in Devante Adams. I feel like that was the value in fantasy football. Puka started out incredibly, but he's been banged up a lot. Yeah, I got heard again. In the week in receiving touchdowns, Chad.

Here we are through nine weeks. Devante Adams. Devante Adams, eight touchdowns. So it's it was just all about value in playing the scenario. I just love that matchup with him and Stafford. It's like I knew Stafford was going to love having a guy like him who's so smooth and precise or running routes. And yeah, I'm not going to lie. It is scary.

Ben against this Rams team right now. But this feels like such a spot, such a spot to go against them. So, yeah, I'm interested in what the professionals do with this line. Early money, obviously, has come in pretty heavy on this Rams team. All right. Time for the prime time spotlight, taking a look at our island games. Pittsburgh is visiting the Chargers. The line has moved from three and a half down to three.

another stinky line, not stinky, but just another bad line that the bookmakers posted on Sunday night. Forget about it being a rah-rah Mike Tomlin's spot. How are the charter going to protect Justin Herbert? We see it every single week. They're now out. Joe Alt is now out for the season. Bobby Hart, who was supposed to be an off-the-street sort of backup, turned into one of their better offensive linemen. He pulled his groin status unknown for this weekend.

The Steelers did do things. defensively against the Colts that I think were new and they were the reasons why we were sometimes afraid to bet them. They stopped playing so much man with Jalen Ramsey. They moved him to safety. They got Kyle Dugger from the from I think the Patriots, right? And they played him a lot in the game. So now they put all the stuff on film so people can see that they were playing zone and it's not going to be confusing to anybody. But the bigger issue is just the charges can't not protect Justin Herbert. And if T.J. Watt, Alex Highsmith, can do anything against this chiefs, this Chargers offensive line, he's just going to be running for his life the entire game.

Yeah, I hate this game so much. I'm not going to lie. It's your early read on Sunday was so right. It was a Princeburg number, three and a half. Now if you want three and a half, it's like minus one 30. That's just totally gone. Hard Rock here in Jersey has already moved to two and a half, minus two and a half now wow it's so it's kind of becoming a chargers line shockingly my model had this at a pick so like a ton of value to the celer's team i think it's what you're saying it's like maybe i'm underestimating the value of joe alt and this offensive line how important it is to success not only herbert but that running attack which if you can't get that going against this pittsburgh team they make you one dimensional yeah there are ways pittsper can

defensively play really well right when they know you have to pass you you You got guys like Wad up front, that's going to be a huge deal, right? And he can spend his years back. But I just, I'm having a hard time getting there on Pittsburgh at two and a half. At three, I can get there. Three and a half, I'm all the way there. But at two and a half, I'm slowly starting to be like, isn't this a Chargers line? At what point does this become a Chargers line?

Because to me, they are still the better team. And I just, even last week, it took five turnovers and a ton of things go their way for Pittsburgh to kind of win that game. Yeah. I don't know. It feels like we have a pattern here with Pittsburgh this year, right? The games they win, they have tons of turnover luck because it's just, you know, it's a dysfunctional defense. Like we said, teams can get theirs against them.

They're going to give up yards. Can they win the turnover battle? That's how they're going to steal games. So Herbert, it should be a great Herbert game and spot for Herbert. But like you said, if he has a third stringer going up against Watt, I don't care how much you're chipping with the tight end or the running back, someone's getting a one-on-one against a really bad suspect backup on that offensive line. They're going to win.

So I'm with you. If you can get the plus three on Pittsburgh, that's probably the line to get right now. But I'm really not too favorable of either of these sides right now. Last game on the board. Philadelphia at Green Bay. Green Bay is a two and a half point favorite. It's got to be Green Bay. This has to be the buy, low, sell high spot.

I know the Eagles have traded for half the trades. you know, how we go and how we, before the trade deadline, they've added Jalen Phillips from the Dolphins. They added Jair Alexander, the cornerback who had been buried on the Ravens bench. I don't know if that's going to be the solution to their, you know, second cornerback need on the edge. But we've just seen the Packers lose to the Panthers at home in which the Panthers defense was great. But like you pointed out, the Packers did not punt in that game. That was self-inflicted entirely by the Packers. Meanwhile, the Eagles, they're like, they're looking like champions the last couple weeks. So, and they got the buy. So I'm a little

surprised that this is under two and a half because it feels like such a Packers line. I'm actually surprised it hasn't moved to three. And we always said, Hard Rock, Sharp Book, here in Jersey. They just hit too so really yeah so some some professional money obviously's coming on the eagles and that's i i knew we saw it sunday day i knew this going to be the most public dog of the week and you know public dogs do hit like the bills were the number one public dog last week they came through no problem so this eagles team everything you said is so true they could be getting into form here i'm walking into it i just I like to think that this Green Bay team is better than what we've seen. And when they play against certain competition,

they're another team that plays the level of that competition. I mean, how many times we've seen this year, they play well against really good teams and then lay total eggs against suspect teams. Like that Brown's game, that was a really suspect loss. And that was, once again, on Jordan Love. He gave that game away. How do you not blame Jordan Love for that Carolina loss?

He gave that game away. He just made so many bad mistakes. So I know. I love this one Sunday. I'm kind of flipping towards the Eagles, unfortunately. I'm kind of getting pushing to it. I want to hold firm. Hear what the professionals are saying. I'll see what other guys are saying.

But as right now, a couple of pros I talk to. They do like the Eagles here. They like the number, especially with the hook at two and a half. But doesn't this just feel like a stinky line? This should be a green bay spot. So I'm going to dive more into this one right now. Again, can't get much from the model. that my model has this one and minus one Green Bay.

So technically is the Eagles line, but I just think something's real trappy about this game. And yeah, this Eagles team as championship form, like you said, they've looked, this is going to be a true test. This is a really good Green Bay team on the road

after an embarrassing loss. You expect LaFleur to get these guys to bounce back. Yep, that's exactly yet. All right. I mean, we're going to have a lot to talk about on Thursday because we got a lot. A, the trade deadline, I think, is impacting some of this.

We want to see where players end up. Obviously, even while we were talking about this, we were considering the Jets, and then they trade sauce Gardner. Denver minus eight and a half with Simon says, we're thinking about Miami plus nine and a half, the Giants plus three and a half against the bears on the road. Carolina, we'd like it to wait to four and a half. We hope it gets there. Jets minus one and a half we talked about.

We were hoping to get Houston. We were hoping to get it at one and a half. Tampa Bay minus two and a half. That is Chad's choice. Would you say Baltimore at 4 is still a playable number? I don't hate it. I'm just, again, I think we had PTSD from last week where it's like we're betting a super public favorite on the road.

But that's why I'm trying to help people. If you can get, I'm more comfortable in the money line. I know it's not great because it's two to one on your money, but I just, I don't know. I bet 200 to win 100, but I feels a pretty safe bet. I usually take that position. We'd like Houston to get to plus one. Yeah, let's see if to get to a dog.

Yeah. Detroit minus eight and a half. We'll see. San Francisco plus three and a half. Icky. And then Green Bay minus two and a half. We're going to keep an eye on. So still a lot to discuss on Thursday.

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