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02:53 We call it the Duck Outland Show. In this case, you start with me. It's a Friday. Hope you're enjoying the summer. A lot of college kids moving in. Yeah, I did this on my show yesterday. Now, music, you went to Northridge, right? Yes, sir. What was your college, Tuiwey, what was your college drop-off like?
03:16 What do you mean drop-off? Well, like now, you know, when my daughters, when we put them in college, you know, like last year, like, well, you got to go and you set up the dorm room and you do all the things. Oh, sorry. I got you. Right. So, like, I went to the other day. It was pretty standard. It was like I don't know a plane?
03:33 Just drop me off the dorm and then unload me and then they leave. Where was the dorm? It was at Texas State and San Marcos. Yeah. That was back when it was Southwest Texas State. Let's just be honest. No, no, no, no, no, Dougger. I got two diplomas, okay?
03:50 I got Southwest Texas State and then they changed it and I got a new diploma that says Texas State. But I'm saying when you were dropped off in San Marcos, Texas. Correct. It was Southwest Texas State. It was Southwest Texas State. Bobcats, they got the big wall behind one of the baskets, the weird-shaped gym. I actually played there. You've been there?
04:09 Yeah. Went my first year after playing in college. So I played in the USBL, number one pick overall in the USPL. Then I played in the NBA Summer League in Long Beach State. Then I was supposed to play for a team that trained in Italy but played in Russia. I was going to play as an Israeli. I know it's a lot. didn't get my passport because you had to live in Israel for a year to get your passport.
04:36 Came back was in the CBA and beat out 13 guys, then got cut day before the first game. So I played with three different touring teams. Remember, college basketball used to be able to play these touring teams in the non-conference, in the preseason, right? EA sports. First, there was marathon oil and athletes in action and whatever. And then it became EA Sports, which was the Pump Brothers.
05:00 they had all these teams that played. So I played for athletes first, was at Oklahoma and Texas-based Christian organization, and we played, I played, my dad had a team. We played and beat like San Diego State, Wichita State and Marshall,
05:19 a couple of teams. I played like eight games with him. Then I played seven games with this team in Texas and Oklahoma. I'll never forget, like we got in a bunch of cars and drove down to San Marcos. Margros and then we played SMU the next night. Then we played Texas Tech.
05:35 And then I think we came back and played TCU. I don't remember. But yeah, so I played San Marcos. That's wild. Do you remember Jeff Foster? Yeah, of course. Yeah, he, so in my second year, I was in the athletic dorms, and he was my next door neighbor in the dorms.
05:50 There you go. So how far did you grow up from San Marcos? I mean, I grew up in Austin, so like a half an hour. Okay. So it wasn't that big. a thing. But when your parents took you and dropped you off, was it like at the curb they come up? Did your mom jush up your room? Like, what happened? No, it was like drop me off, help me unload, and then I told him to leave. I think that may be a guy. The music, when you got to Northridge.
06:15 Now, Northridge can't you can do, did you commute or did you live on campus? No, I lived on campus, and it was much the same, kind of like, all right, dropping you off, here's your stuff. We're going to kind of. Deuces. Yep. Have a good one. Yeah, I went to Notre Dame. I got on a plane. I got on a plane. My dad had a former player who was a stock trader in on the exchange in Chicago. He picked me up and I stayed with him at his house. He actually took me to the stock exchange one day. And then he drove me to South Bend and then was like, bye-bye.
06:43 And that was it. And then Oklahoma State, I drove myself to Oklahoma State and same thing. But so I think it's part of it is it's a girl thing. You know, if you have girls very, very different, especially for the mom, super emotional. But some of its guys as well. like we've become so like clingy as parents with our drop-offs like say yeah bye but there's a lot of people going through the the drop-off blues today drop-off blues i think it's actually more that people feel old like when your kids not in your house you're like my kids are in college i feel
07:20 old and what do i like i now i now i got to figure out my own sporting events to go to and i got to find my own friends maybe maybe that's it speaking of college. So Arch Manning set to be the quarterback of Texas, right? And they take out Ohio State first game of the year in the shoe. And Archie Manning, Archie Manning, who's the grandfather to Arch Manning, came out and said, hey, look, he's not going to be in the draft this year. He's going to be in Texas in next year.
07:58 Last hour we had Josh Payton, if you know, know college football, you probably know Josh Pates, got his own college football show. His stock continues to go up, up, up and up. I asked Josh about the idea that Archwood's day in Texas, not just for this season, but for the next one. That's been the talk around him since he got there. If I don't buy it, it's just me calling him a bald-faced liar, and I don't think they are. Now, he could just explode this year and be projected, number one overall, and of course you've got a choice to make at that point. I am not applying those kind of expectations to him. Now, this is, you know, me personally. The market is. The odds boards are. I'm not. I am
08:35 expecting him to be good to really good with flashes of elite, and if he delivers anything above and beyond that, so be it. But I do want to take a step back. I mean, it's very obvious. Nothing around him is conventional. Archie Manning talking about that, chief among them. His thought process in the way he gets to handle himself because of what his last name is, chief among them. But when is the last time that we had known a kid for over half a decade. People have been talking about this dude over half a decade, like fully formed opinions, and we hadn't even seen him be listed as the number one quarterback at Texas yet. So you want to talk about expectations. Think about how many hard-boiled expectations and thoughts and opinions people have of him without ever seeing him play entire
09:17 six-game stretches of a season before. I don't know that we've ever really seen that dynamic with anyone, and I guess it would have to be a famous last name for a kid to have even mattered as a sophomore in high school like you did. Yeah, I mean, look, we talked a little bit about Tim Tebow, mattering, so there's a lot of pressure. I don't think this is to take any of the pressure off him. I just don't. I just don't.
09:43 Like, if we were to, if we were to just kind of throw out our favorite quarterbacks from the last 15 years, 20 years in the NFL, what would they have in common? Right? I ask you, music. I ask you, Tui. Throw out a quarterback. Like, Philip Rivers, I remember him starting like 55 games in college. Peyton Manning, Eli Manning, right?
10:16 They all played, they played their senior year. You know, Bo Nix, five years of college. Michael Pinnock's. Joe Burrow didn't start a ton, but he did start that second full season with LSU. After sitting, mostly because of injury, some because he was buried. Again, it's not the end-all-be-all, but go through the list of the best quarterbacks, and most all of them started two years fully. Doug, I'm going to give you one, and he had a couple of stops.
10:47 He was a number one overall pick, and he really only played one year. Kyler Murray. Yeah. Yeah. And I would also say that Kyler, part of the part of the stuff that that held him back
11:02 early was that, you know, he didn't really know how to be a pro. I think some of that has been, on the other hand, like, look, Baker Mayfield has had a great resurgence, right? Baker Mayfield started attack, you know,
11:18 and they were bringing him Patma home, so he left, Went to Oklahoma, started Oklahoma for a couple years. Listen, we don't deal with a world of absolutes. We don't deal with the world. You could make, the first thing with Kyler Murray, you should be pointed out, was he was in a different position than anybody because he had the leverage of baseball. Now, that doesn't mean that it was the right decision. It ends up being the right decision for him at the time.
11:44 But this is playing the numbers. That's all it is. It's playing the numbers. All right, give me another one. Like, kind of go through it. Obviously, Aaron Rogers is going to be a first pal of hall of famer. He didn't start four years, but he did. It was junior college.
12:00 Then there was Cal. Then he came out. And then he sat and waited. The difference also now is that, you know, we talk to Mark Dominic. Most guys get a year and a half. They don't care if your year and a half comes from after you start one year or after you start three. They don't care. They're judging you baseball what you can do in that first year and a half,
12:17 whether or not they're going to stand by you and you're going to be their quote. quarterback and eventually extend you. Like, we can actually do this. It seems like a long process, but it's not. Go through the quarterbacks in the NFL. And you're like, wow, that actually is kind of a real thing. I don't think it's about, it's not about money for them because they have plenty of money. Just isn't.
12:46 Lamar, three years is a starter. You know, Justin Herbert, he stayed an extra year. We talked about Knicks. Okay Mahomes was a three-year starter, I want to say, at Tech. At Tech? The numbers are kind of there for you. Obviously, you know, Jalen Hertz is the guy.
13:12 He started Alabama and lost his job, then went and started Oklahoma. Dak Prescott, four-year starter. Doug, Mahomes was three years. Also, another guy we've talked about today who's, I mean, he's had issues and injuries. Anthony Richardson really only had one year at Florida, and we see kind of where he's at. Sure. Too much too soon. Then they throw you in there.
13:33 They expect you play. Like, wow, he really isn't that refined. Yeah, he barely played in college. Needs time. Needs time. Jane Daniels, right? When he left Arizona State, those guys were cleaning out his locker for him. He goes to LSU and wins the Heisman trophy,
13:51 and, I mean, that's pretty impressive. It's been really impressive. So, I mean, look, Jordan Love, Jordan Love is different. Jordan Love is the only guy who was the first round pick who sat. And the thing working against Jordan Love. And one of the reasons that he gets a little bit of a grace period even now with this third full season and starter is barely started in college. Two years. One year was good.
14:13 When you were different coaches. But Michael Pennix. Kind of go through the list. You're like, wow, you know, it might be on to something. It's not me. This is, if you don't need the money and you have people. who believe in you and they've yeah i got two uncles that have done it and stayed the extra year and your grandpa's like you're staying this is what's best for you then he's staying it's not really
14:38 that what the kids say it's not that deep it's not that deep so i i again i i it sounds groundbreaking because all those guys eventually they all want to be NFL quarterbacks but you don't have to sprint to something walk to it make sure you're ready for it if you're Arch Manning. I'm Doug Gottlie. This is the herd. Coming up next, we're going to see Shador Sanders tonight. What should we expect from the Browns rookie?
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19:39 Let's talk some football. As Schwartsey, obviously, I do want to talk a little college with you, but let's start pros. Shador Sanders, going to get the start tonight for the Browns. Brown's not starting their starters, but there has some twos and threes in there.
19:53 What's reasonable expectations for tonight? The way I look at the preseason is I look at it, by it's a little bit eye-testing, but it's like, does it look like it should, right? So even though there's a fifth round pick, I think we all agree, you know, he's a talented player and probably doesn't go in the fifth round if it was just on film alone. And so when he's playing tonight against the Panthers' backups, I think the Panthers actually might play some starters early on, but let's say it is the backups, right? Does he look like a player who's going to be a starter, possibly the NFL, playing backups, right?
20:31 Last night, it's a great example. The Bengals' first team offense played two drives at the Eagles' backups. They scored easily on two straight drives. That looks like it should, right? So for me, for Sanders, sometimes it doesn't look like it should. Now, of course, he's a rookie. He's playing with maybe guys he hasn't practiced much with. I mean, there could be some awkwardness to some of the plays being made.
20:52 I just want to see his composure. I want to see how he does the line of scrimmage. I want to see just his general, you know, does he look nervous? He looked anxious. Is he making the right decision, things like that? And so that for me is what I look for. Does it look like it should? He should play well against backups.
21:09 I mean, he's good enough to do that in the NFL. So it's just play well? I mean, like, you know, I think what happens is people look for like one throw. Like, oh, there it is. But really, like, his skill is, he's just really accurate, right? He's accurate and he's confident back there. He holds it a little bit long. I think just like, you know, does, is there a,
21:33 blow to his game. We might not complete every pass, but does the ball go we're supposed to go? I mean, last night we saw what the Colts where Richardson didn't even know the protection. Just zero clue what was happening in front of him. I'm not so concerned about whether or not the wide receivers cast the ball tonight, or whether, you know, that, you're just like,
21:49 okay, is this guy open? I'm going to throw the ball. Is that the right decision to make? If they give him, you know, an opportunity to change the protection, is he changed the protection on time. So, I'm not even looking at, like, overall, he completes this many passes for for this many yards for this many touchdowns.
22:05 I just want to see this sort of operation in the back. I push back on people that they claim that the browser is studying them up for failure. No, they're not. This is what the preseason is. You play with different guys. You might practice with a different team, and then you play in a game with someone else. That's what it is.
22:22 You have to adapt, adjust. And I know Sanders doesn't feel bad for himself because he's playing tonight. He's excited for the opportunity. Anthony Richardson just doesn't. doesn't see the field, doesn't see a blitz, dislocates a pinky finger. Where are you on how much opportunity that Colts should give him heading into the season?
22:46 So they drafted a player who we all agreed needed reps. That was the number one thing he needed. He needed reps. Reps, reps, reps. He only about a thousand throws in college, reps, reps, reps, reps. And the year one, he gets hurt, okay, that happens. And then last season instead of giving him the reps, they panicked, brought in Flacco, benched him,
23:06 kind of mess around with his playing time. So he hasn't even developed yet. And now in year three, when you expect things to happen on the field, he hasn't had the opportunity to really have enough reps, I think, to get it right. Now, last night's error, not knowing where the pressure was coming from,
23:22 is a day one install problem. So, you know, you could say that, hey, he needs more reps, but also knowledge that it's not going well anyways, right? Last night was as simple as it comes. He's got to know what to do on that play. And he can't let himself get hit like that. He can't miss that. It's unacceptable in your three to have that issue.
23:46 And so I think a culture in a really tough position because K. Kekekin wants to win. And I'm not sure that Daniel Jones is going to win at the level that they need to keep jobs. But he'll be more efficient than Richardson as of now. The upside won't be there quite the same because Richon is a great athlete and great, you can throw the ball hard and far and whatnot. It's not always accurate, which is a problem again. So, I mean, I would understand if Vaucos decided to just go with Jones because he won't make mental mistakes.
24:19 He won't get hit like you, like last night. You won't make the staff look poor because they don't look like they're preparing their quarterback. And that being said, Richard does need reps. But again, how do you justify playing him if he doesn't know basic protections? I don't know. And then he's not accurate when he does actually throw the football. So I don't know how he justify playing him. I just don't.
24:49 You're really doing. But this goes back, by the way, to get into the Colt's not having a plan. The plans should have been last season. We give Richard every single rep that's available to him the entire season. There's going to be ups and downs. but that we got hurt he's ready no he got hurt
25:05 last year he was he got benched by flaco originally he got hurt no I think he got no I think he got hurt um last last year last year
25:17 yeah yeah some of it was he got bench because of uh what he said but some of it was he got bench because if he was also he was also hurt and then Joe Flacco was actually pretty
25:28 pretty good this is the hurt that's the voice of of Jeff Schwartz. It's interesting. You know, he needs reps. Isn't that the reason that Arch Manning will stay at Texas,
25:39 not just this year, but in the next year? Yeah. I love the decision, man. I think he could never go wrong with more with more reps in college to be ready to play at that position. And, you know,
25:54 his, his relatives stayed all four years in college. And look, let's be honest. He's getting paid multiple millions of dollars to stay and play college football. If it was, if he was making zero dollars, the decision, I think, is a lot different probably. There's a discussion about, okay, do I, you know, do I forego a year of experience to start
26:16 making money? But it's making good money now to stay in college. And so I'm not surprised at this news. Anyone who had followed this story now, anytime someone released a mock draft or talked about, everyone said Arch is not coming out early. and then I'm glad they sort of confirmed in the last couple of days. So good for him.
26:34 There's no rush. There's no rush. Again, if this was pre-NIL, you weren't making money. Yeah, I'd agree. Maybe there's a rush. But right now, you're making money in Texas.
26:43 You're enjoying yourself in college. There's no rush to get to the NFL. I can be honest with other guys, maybe the money is an issue, was an issue for his uncles, not an issue for him. And the money is always going to be there. It is made easier when you're
26:59 already making money. I don't think that's far down the list in terms of importance. It's the, you're going to get an opportunity early. Can you take advantage of it? NFC North is the most interesting quarterback division, right? Caleb Williams, how much better can he be with Ben Johnson? You know, Jordan Love. There's a lot of good there, but the turnovers, and he got hurt last year, right? And then J.J. McCarthy, and even what Jared Gough looks like without Ben Johnson. Let me start with Caleb Williams. Sort of an uneven preseason so far, but most of this
27:33 is, we're taking people's word for it, they go to scrimmages or whatever. What do you need to see out of Caleb Williams this season? I think we need to see him get better every quarter of the season, right? So, quarter two is better in quarter one, quarter three, better than
27:49 quarter two, and then by the end of the season last four weeks, five weeks, obviously one extra week in the quarter now. he's playing at a level that they've determined you're our franchise quarterback like that has to be done by the end of season
28:02 they've given him the opportunities with improved offensive line improved play caller that have weapons they've given him all the opportunity just personnel-wise to make it happen now
28:13 and it's okay to start slow in a new offense that's totally normal you know that's what happens often with a new OC I don't you know camp struggles are what they are
28:23 I would like to see more positive reports about what's happening camp, but again, there's installed days and there's things you're working on and him and coach might be working on one thing one day. We don't know about it and it looks bad on film but it's actually what they're trying to work
28:39 on that day, so I'm not going to judge them too much on the practice, but I think by the end of the season, he's got to be a quarterback that the bears say, this is our long-term answer. Otherwise, they might look elsewhere, right? I mean, I think it's not out of question that Ben Johnson, if it doesn't work with Caleb Williams
28:56 just says to Ryan Poles like I can't do this with him I gotta find someone else agreed agreed last one you organ ducks a lot of money in that program what are your thoughts we have we're going to spend money on players
29:14 this is news to me I had no idea I'm excited to see look we have a lot of new parts this year some of those are portal players that are really good. We added a tackle and guard that will probably be close to first round picks. That's safety
29:32 that'll be the first round pick most likely. A good running back. But there's a lot of youth at some positions. I'm curious to see, you know, Lannings now entering his fourth season. This is his third year of recruit, like as mature recruiting class is this year. So there's a lot of guys,
29:49 defensive line, linebacker, that have been wide receiver, they've been waiting their turn to play. And now if they're time to play. So this is what I think builds a program, right? And the portal is nice for a couple years, but eventually those high school kids that you've developed for, this is the third year for a lot of these defensive tackles and linebackers that are getting a chance to play this year. So I'm very curious to watch those guys early in the season. It's a decent schedule so we should
30:16 start fast and we go to Penn State Week 5. That's what I'm excited for is the youth, right? We've gone portal heavy, you know, for a couple of years, which is what everyone does. It They sort of knocked it down last year, and they're going to play these young guys now. So I'm looking forward to seeing what those guys are about. But the talent is there. It's just a matter of execution, and can you do it on Saturdays? He's the one and only Jeff Schwartz.
30:38 May the Schwartz be with you, Jeff. Talk to you soon, bud. Thank you, Eric. Thanks a lot of everybody. All right. That's my guy, Jeff Schwartz. Awesome, dude, longtime pro in the National Football League. And, of course, Fox Sports, NFL and college football analyst.
30:51 Let's get to Ryan Music with the news. No. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. All right, Doug. Jackson Dart. That's right. The Giants first round pick, quarterback out of Ole Miss.
31:09 We'll make his NFL debut against the Bills tomorrow. Not necessarily sure if he's going to start. You know, sort of the messaging from Brian Dayball is that like a Russell Wilson, Malik neighbor, some of those verified starters heading into week one are probably. not going to see the field. So we don't know if Jackson Darts literally going to start this game or if James Winston. So that remains to be seen. But he will get some action.
31:33 We know that much. Here's what he said about it. I'm just stoked for the opportunity. I hope I can get every situation. Go in, get reps, be on stage, do it at a high level. I'm excited for this. It's a dream of mine since I was a kid. Jackson DART, Doug, if I set the over under at four, four and a half starts this.
31:54 season over under. Over. So you think he's going to start a substantial amount of games then? Who's the starting quarterback? Well, Russell Wilson, of course. Okay, how many, what's happened the past couple of years, right? Like, again, I could be,
32:16 it's not me, okay? I don't know, but Sean Payton was like, I'm done. Pittsburgh's here's like, yeah, no, we would rather wait six months on Aaron Rogers, who we have no idea if he still got it as opposed to that guy. So, yeah, I just, I don't
32:36 see it. Greg Tooey? Seattle was done with the Denver, was done with him. Do you truly believe that Brian Daimel, who's trying to keep his job, would not get Jackson Dart in there sooner than later if it goes off the rails early?
32:50 Oh, again, yeah, I think he gets them in there as soon as possible because at the end of day, you go like, hey, look, I got a young guy here. You know, I got a young quarterback. All right, so looking at their schedule. We all do we all do it, right? I mean, I didn't do it intentionally, but the end of the year last year, I'm starting four freshmen and a sophomore.
33:08 Six teams in our league didn't play a freshman in a minute. Right. Like, starts to go bad. I mean, it's pretty brutal for the giants who are already coming off of what was a bad year. They have Washington, Dallas, Chiefs, Chargers, Saints, Eagles, Broncos, Eagles, Niners. So, I mean, those first nine weeks, you know, the Saints and then whatever you think of the Cowboys. But outside of that, those are all playoff teams and elite level playoff teams from last season.
33:42 Yeah, I mean, we don't know. We don't. But yes, I mean, on paper, the Eagles are going to be good. They're going to be more. The Chiefs are probably going to be at least good. The chiefs are, you know. At the very least good. At least good.
33:55 Denver, I know a lot of people are divided based off of the schedule that they played last year, but I think the expectation for most people is that they, They will have a very good defense. Yeah. Yeah. So you're not wrong. By the week nine, week 10, if things are looking south, we could probably get a second half. They play 17 games now too, remember?
34:17 Like I did get an extra game. Yeah, you did. Yeah, you did. All right, sticking with the NFL. The Bengals in preseason action against the Eagles. Offense looks sharp. You and Jeff Shores chopped this up a little bit. Joe Burrow completing nine out of ten passes, two touchdowns.
34:33 Now look, no surprise that Burrow would light it up in the preseason, but there's two parts to this. Do you think getting these reps in the preseason will have a positive impact for the Bengals who have just been awful in September to start the season with Burrow and head coach Zach Taylor? I mean, you actually answered the question before you let me answer the question is,
34:58 it doesn't matter. It could have been any worse than old way. Okay. So why not charge this way? Sure, sure. It's like we've been bad. We've given away games to inferior teams. And at the end of the year, we've come back and going like, damn, I wish we were better.
35:12 So they're like, all right, what if we play our guys really? They get sharp and maybe we steal a win here or there that we couldn't in the past. I mean, the big thing with them was their defense was just a joke last year. Right. And that sort of leads us to part number two that I had mentioned, which is, again, it's all preseason. And, you know, you're not all, you're not playing all your starters, whatever. but let it be known that against the Eagles backups, the Bengals gave up 34 points and the defense did not look to put up anything of
35:41 substantial improvement over last year. So not a great showing for a team that's looking to try and correct course there on missing out on the playoffs despite Joe Burrow leading the league in basically every major passing category last season. Sure. sure. And finally, we wrap up with this, Doug, the 49ers. It was a bounce back season, or they're hoping for it to be a bounce back season after missing the playoffs and struggling with injuries in 2024.
36:16 Well, here's the problem. It appears that injury bug maybe hasn't quite moved out of San Francisco yet. Their general manager, John Lynch, he says, doesn't necessarily expect wide receiver Brandon Ayuk to be ready for week one of the season. He also said they currently don't have any timetable for return for their other wide receiver, Joanne Jennings, who has a calf injury. So already some injury issues facing the 49ers after last year's struggles that they had. Obviously, we hope Christian McCaffrey stays healthy. He was banged up basically all season, but some wide receiver injuries, a problem for the 49ers.
36:56 Yeah, yeah. I mean, think about what's gone wrong for them. And, of course, now you have a quarterback who has a gigantic contract. And so eventually, the overall surrounding talent won't be as good. That's Ryan Music with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herd Lie News.
37:18 I'm sure you've probably heard by now. You've heard by now that Diana Trossi had some interesting things to say. I want to get to that. Chick-fil-A is dropping a new chicken sandwich. The all-new pretzel cheddar club sandwich will be on menus beginning August 18th. August 18th. Why are you guys not happy about this?
37:45 I got to note that you two, music, you and Tui, you're not happy about the sandwich. No, I mean, we were talking about it. And honestly, like, it's kind of like in and out, Chick-fil-A. It's like they do a couple of things really well, and they don't need to deviate from the plan. Just keep it the way it is.
38:03 Every time you've had Chick-Loy. Every time you've had Chick-Loy, have you ever gone, I'm looking for this to be different, or are you just completely and thoroughly satisfied with exactly what you just got? Well, first of all, if you're watching on YouTube, you'll see I have like four of these. I get free sandwich or nugs.
38:22 Whenever I got four of these, I just got, when I went to work today, it was in my mailbox, which is great. I love that. Um, it's not in and out, though. It's not. Okay. In and out is burger cheeseburger or double cheeseburger three by three, whatever, you know.
38:40 Um, so what's different about this? They put it on a pretzel bun, right? Correct. And I like a pretzel bun, but have you ever gone to Chick-fil-A and been like, man, this sandwich needs work? Like, they need to change some stuff up. Nor do I ever go like, you know, if the bun was better. Exactly.
38:55 A hundred percent. The bun was better. So what are we doing here? Yeah, we are But that's kind of what we do as a society We're like, I know it's perfect But we're gonna make it more perfect Right, but Chick-fil-A's already put their steak in the ground
39:07 That they don't bend to the whims of Those type of pressures Like they're like, dude, we are not open on Sunday Right, period. That's it And so now they're starting to make tweaks to the menu Like I don't get where- But they made tweaks, the tweaks have been
39:22 They've had some tweaks ongoing Right. This is the first bread tweak I can remember Right. But they've had to make. The problem, Doug. They had the hot honey? Didn't they had a hot honey there? I don't think they did.
39:31 I don't know if they did. I don't think they have the various sauces, which they've always had. I think they've had a hot honey one. It didn't last long if they did. Yeah, clearly. No, there's one. It's actually, it was really good. I had it early the summer, late in spring.
39:43 It was freaking good. But there, but there's, here's, here's, here's, buns. Perfect as is. So I don't, so I don't, they are. So I don't, there's not a ton of benefit. Wait, like when you're a head coach, I do.
39:58 I get my own room on the road. That's amazing. Hey, look at that. Let's go. And these other guys, you come downstairs, you're like, why are you guys all grumpy? Like, oh, there he snores. He's got a CPAP machine.
40:08 He watches TV, like, way too loud at night. Like, they're all, I was like, dude, I slept great last night. I don't know what's up with you guys. But I don't get the, the director of ops usually gets the hotel rewards points for the group. That's a big one. That's a big one.
40:26 That's a money one. that's an internationally known or nationally known like the ob's guy gets to usually go use marriott miles or whatever on a vacation just because that's like the one benefit to it's usually a lowest paid guy on the coaching total pole the one that I get is because you know we do there's a lot of buses involved in at our level some or sometimes it's just we land and we got to get something to eat quick so we do chip or chick and I get the points So like, Chipotle, it's been a Chipotle summer, man. I'm just, it's been good on all points. It's the only place I can save a little cash there is on those Chipotle points. In today's day and age, Doug, there are very few things that are sacred and maintain morality. And Chick-fil-A was one of our tenants, and they are starting to beer off course. There's no need.
41:19 Like, you go for the spicy chicken or regular chicken. We didn't need new Coke. That's what you said. We didn't need new Coke. No, no, we absolutely did not. They mix in their waffle fries. If you want a sweet tea, cool. And if you're hungry for dessert, get an ice cream cone, which is awesome, too.
41:33 Can I vent it just for one second as the, they call it a Sunjoy, right? It's the Arnold Palmer, I guess they call it Sunjoy because you can't call it Arnold Palmer. Right. Anyway, can we please stop when you go to a restaurant? And I understand, I've lived in the Southwest or part of the South or whatever. Just Arnold Palmer's don't have vodka. That's a John Daly, and they don't have sweet tea. You know, they just don't.
41:57 Sorry. We're not happy, Doug. We're not happy. We're not happy. You're not happy. Not happy. Coming up next, I don't think, I don't think Dianatrossi knows what the WNBA has mirrored as a business model for 25 years. I'll explain it next in the herd.
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46:33 By now, I think most people have heard the Diana Tarasi sound, right? Did Colin comment on it, or did he just stay away from it? I don't remember. I do. I listen to Colin's show every day as I'm prepping for my show or as we're having, huh? We did not. Yeah. So, Diana Tarasi in, there's a new Amazon show, or Amazon series, if you will, on the WNBA.
47:04 And she talks about how she was the best player in the world. And in order to make money, she had to go to a communist country. And that back home, she was making less than the janitor. Now, I understand we all overstate things, right? I mean, all of our parents for years said, you know, back when I was a kid, we used to walk barefoot to school uphill both ways, right? And so let's not even get caught in the, hey, she was making like 87 grand for three months. That's not exactly janitor money. And oh, yeah, by the way, in a fledgling league when it was still kind of growing in the early stages, maybe even before her, obviously.
47:50 the women weren't well compensated. And the league had to kind of figure out how to move out of the big NBA arenas into small arenas, how to figure out ownership. There's lots of things. Let's completely forget the fact that Russia is not a communist country. Hasn't been a communist country since the 80s, early 90s, Parastroika will crack a book. I get it. She was saying things for effect.
48:17 But how does it land on you? I'll tell you how it lands on me. And this is, obviously it feels like jealousy. And we have, now we do have this from all athletes that look at what athletes today make. And they're like, well, I would have made this. I mean, we have in college sports. How much would you guys in college sports talk about all the time. What would you have made in NIL if you were on the market today?
48:42 We all do it. The difference is it's like venomous. And I think the big part is that there's this assumption that, and and it's it's a real assumption. Matt's actually not an assumption. It's a, we know this is it. We know what because we were women,
49:01 we were paid less when the reality is that the NBA has been around for 100 years. It's, it's mind-blowing that no one has sat there and gone like, hey, you know, when the, until the 80s,
49:18 many NBA players had jobs. in the offseason. You go back to the 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s, guys would have jobs in the off season. Why? Because it didn't make any money. Why? Because it just wasn't money.
49:33 It was like the league was keeping all the money. In 1981, 1981, my dad was at University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee's head coach. They went to Division III. He took the year off and then eventually went to Long Beach State. During that year off, my grandpa was a car deal on Long Island. But he was an accountant who took over the car. dealership. That's how,
49:55 so my, my dad got the one, the New Jersey Nets were for sale for $1 million. And my grandpa, every the accountant looked at the books and said, this is a terrible investment. No thanks. Now, $1 million then is,
50:14 you know, a couple hundred million dollars now, but still, it's the idea. It was a bad investment. So, Diantherosity has no idea the history of the NBA. And the truth is that a,
50:26 fledgling league is just like any other fledgling business 85% of businesses close their doors within the first couple years it wasn't like owners were getting rich and sneezing with a hundred dollar bills like what world were they living in but a lack of knowledge of who they were and what they are now and this gift that they've been given with the rise of stardom by katelyn clark is just we're going to look back in 25 years and i i don't know what happens at a WNBA. I don't. It feels like they're walking
51:04 into the same traps as every other professional sports league that gets some stardom. The NHL, when Wayne Gretzky came to L.A., over-expand, and then all of a sudden you have to kind of backtrack and regroup, and the NHL's in a good place now.
51:21 But it wasn't always that way. The NBA's in a good place. It wasn't always that way. It was not. Heck, even the NFL. Go back into the early 90s. Not always a great place. But you hear those words
51:37 and the venom behind it and it's not exactly making you likable. And the weird part about it is usually when superstars get done playing, she is a superstar. There's no doubt about it. She's arguably or maybe inarguably the greatest player of all time. Usually they soften over times.
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