The Highwire with Del Bigtree - ANDREW WAKEFIELD ON HIS NEW FILM, PROTOCOL-7

Episode Date: January 8, 2024

Dr. Andrew Wakefield returns to The HighWire with the worldwide premiere of the trailer for his new highly anticipated film, Protocol-7, chronicling the true story of the historic lawsuit against Merck for fraudulent activity behind the mumps portion of their MMR vaccine. Warrior Mom author Tracy Slepcevic also joins Del to discuss the upcoming Autism Health Summit in San Antonio and the dynamic speakers that will be part of it, including producers from Protocol-7.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-highwire-with-del-bigtree--3620606/support.

Got an amazing story. And this is one I've sort of tracked all the way back, you know, when I was sitting in a basement with Dr. Andrew Wakefield working on the documentary Vax from cover-up to catastrophe that threw me into the middle of this conversation and changed my life forever. But he was always talking about this issue with mumps. And the, if you think about the MMR vaccine, that's the measles, Mumps and Rubella vaccine. Well, there's a lot of questions around Mumps. Here's some of the headlines that have been actually in the news over the years. Take a look at this. This we've got the first headline, this courthouse news. Class says Merck lied about Mumps's vaccine. Another one, Merck accused of stonewalling in Mumps vaccine antitrust lawsuit. Why was all of this coming to everyone's attention? Well, it's because of these outbreaks that were happening. Several articles about that. Majority of Mumps cases are among the vaccinated the CDC finds as many as 94% of children

and adolescents who contracted the highly contagious virus. had been vaccinated. This is something I was watching while I was touring with Vaxed. Adults may be losing immunity to bumps are boosters needed. This is just one of those stories that really telegraphs. This is before COVID telegraph where we ended up being here. Vaccines that don't work are there bigger problems around that? Well, there's a real fraud here. And there's two whistleblowers at the center of this story. And Dr. Andrew Wakefield has decided to make a narrative movie about that story. with a star-studded cast.

And right now, get ready for it. The world premiere, the first time ever seen, the trailer for Protocol 7 starts in five, four, three, two, one, roll it. He was an orphan of conflict in Africa. He was smart and bright, and then we got him home and he crashed right in front of us. Some very important people are saying our vaccine does not work.

You gotta want to read this. They fake the data. They cheated on every level. You said you're a lawyer. Family law. And you want to understand why. Let me see it. What about he's all?

Your son and every other son and daughter depends on whether or not you choose to live by their rules. Incineration. Immediately. What a think? Right, nothing's what they got. Were you aware of the lab's failure to demonstrate efficacy at the mumps vaccine? A level required by the FDA. No, to respond to the FDA's concerns.

And leave a dangerous vaccine on the market. Dangerous? Objection. Strongly recommended booster shots. Of course you didn't. This is a confidential body. These were shredded. It's a protocol.

They've got the sheets. They've got the evidence I was told they didn't have. No one will ever believe them again. Well, the film is called Protocol 7. It is my honor and pleasure to be joined by the writer, director, the one and only, Dr. Andrew Wakefield. Yeah, great to be back. Great to be back. It's so great to have you here.

And I'm just, I'm blown away. I know, you know, we made VACs together. I mean, almost all of what I do now wouldn't have happened if it wasn't for the work that we did together. But to see this journey, this is a film that is clearly, I think, going to send shockwaves across the world. Moving out of documentaries, which I think tend to, you know, there's only sort of a specific people of, You know, those types of people that want to educate themselves with a film go to a documentary. Now you're moving into narrative film. Why this story?

Well, the narrative film, because I wanted to push myself further. I wanted to communicate with many, many more people. As you say, there is a certain sector of the population, particularly those who already know this story or are involved in some way in vaccine safety and health freedom, who will watch it. But I want to make something that entertains. and goes out far wider to a global population. And that was really, everything changed

as you're fully aware with COVID. Suddenly, the audience magnified by a factor of a thousand, 10,000. When we started in this years ago, you and I know that there were probably a handful of people worldwide prepared to discuss this issue. Now it's more than half the adult population of the world. And that's what winning is.

Winning is uncomfortable, it's painful, That's what it looks like. And this story, because it was given to me by the whistleblower many, many years ago, when autism won, the conference was still downtown in Chicago. And at the time, I was still in practice in science. And so I would hand these whistleblower stories off to lawyers to be handled as they felt fit.

And to be clear, just for people that are aware of your story, aware of what we've done together, this is not the whistleblower from Vax, Dr. William Thompson at the CDC, this is a different whistleblower story. That's right. This is two employees from Merck, from Merck's vaccine lab, Steve Carlin and Joe Malkowski. Okay. And this is all in the public domain.

There's nothing secret about any of this. And I handed it off to lawyers, and it went through the due process, and it dragged, and it dragged, and it dragged. Now, bear in mind, you and my, we, excuse me, we, we have. responsibility to the public. We're not responsible to the lawyers. Right. True. We're answerable to the public. And this had dragged on in litigation for over a decade, and nothing had happened. The same vaccine, the Mumps vaccine in this case, was still being

used, still wasn't working. People were likely being injured or put at risk as a consequence of that. And nothing was being done. It was being fought under seal. Which is what form it does, right? They can afford, they have billions of and billions of dollars, even more since COVID, but they just drag these things out and drag them out. They just, you know, what they want to do is cost, you know, the other lawyer is so much money that everyone just gives up. That's right.

And the documents were sealed to the public, the public who were really defrauded. Yeah. Would never get to know there would ultimately be a settlement for potentially a large amount of money, and it would make three columns or three lines in, on page five of the New York Times. The people would not know about it. Right. And so my responsibility as a filmmaker with this story was to get it out to the public far and wide.

There needs to be accountability. I mean, I'm sure one of the things you've recognized, particularly with VACS, is there was no accountability. Even though these people admitted to committing fraud, the documents were quite clear. They went on, collected their pensions, thank you very much. That's unacceptable. That can't happen anymore. There has to be accountability.

And that's why this film was made. You know, that's sort of been the theme with the work that you've done. And when we look at Vaxed, I mean, this is probably the controversy around Vaxed is that, you know, in that case, Dr. William Thompson is, you know, pouring out his guts in these interviews and talking to Brian Hooker. But what happens if that never seems the light of day? And also, what was the danger to him as an individual, I think, were things that you thought about. But, you know, coming from medicine, you were a doctor, you've been in the middle, you've been in the middle of the controversy, you've been the one on the stand, you've been the one in the courtrooms, you decided to take another approach, which is let's go to the courtroom of public opinion, right? And let's let's let the people decide what's really taking place here. So you've been really true to that, you know, beacon, I would say. In this story, you know, people don't think about mumps as part of the MMR vaccine. Is that why you did it? Is it because it also has to do with this vaccine that is really sort of a part of your legacy or is it just The story itself like what really grabbed your attention here because there are so many stories you could have told

I mean we cover them all the time on the high wire Why why this one? I suppose the nature of the vaccine is less important than the fact that this is synonymous with Pharmaceutical company behavior Yeah time and time again. What happened with COVID is a lot of people people came forward and said, a lot of experts, a lot of great people and said, wow, I'm happy about all the childhood vaccines, but this one, no, no, this hasn't been tested, it's unsafe, it's experimental. And for those of us who'd been in this for a long time, we had

to take them back over that bridge to the childhood schedule and show them what had been going on for many, many years in the context of every single vaccine. So Mumps, this story was really an example of that. And what we had here was a very interesting situation where it was really about efficacy. If you have a vaccine that only works for a short period of time, like the Mumps vaccine now turns out, to do, then what you have is a situation where you become susceptible again to Mumps as a teenager and as a young adult. What's the problem with that? That Mumps is a trivial disease in children, acknowledged to be a trivial disease, the CDC didn't even want a mumps vaccine until Morris Hilliman foisted it on them.

The problem is that if you have mumps when you're post-puberty, particularly for males, then you can develop oakitis, testicular inflammation and sterility. So there, not only is it a problem of efficacy, does the vaccine work or not, but it's an issue of safety because you're bumping the age of susceptibility up to when, it becomes a serious disease. It literally is, you want to have it as a young child. It has no effect on you whatsoever, but when you wait until you're a teenager, now we have a serious problem, and that's all the vaccines doing.

So tell me about the process of making a film, because it's a very different thing to sit people down and do an interview and just document that, which is what we've done together and a lot of what I do. Now you've got Eric Roberts, you know, powerful actor, a dynamic presence, playing roles. What was that like to... Well, it was a lot of fun. Yeah. It was terrifying, but a lot of fun.

Starting with the writing, I wrote it in 2012, and then I went back to LA, lived there for a while and worked with Terry Rossio to finish it. And people say, Terry Rossio, who's he? Terry Rossio, little known screenwriter of little known films like Shrek Pirates of the Caribbean. Godzilla versus King Kong. I mean, it goes on and on. The guy's magic, wonderful. Who is also a big part, people don't know,

Vax, gave us great notes as we were working through that, you know, very, very talented guy. He and his wife have been absolutely wonderful. And every time I sat down with Terry, it was like a master class in screenwriting. It was fantastic. And then it came to making the movie.

Well, making documentaries, again, and this is where my two producers, as Joy Vassacker and Brian Wendell came in, they made a huge difference. They came in and they just consummate professionals, they just made everything work. The set to work on was a joy. And I can imagine that making movies sometimes

with stars and starlets and people with ego, there was no ego on the set. It was absolutely wonderful. So it just allowed me to do my job. And the one thing I did, I owe this to you guys, when we come to something like the diet in autism or the risk of drowning in autism or the regression which the medical profession had denied forever before the scene was sharp we would take the whole crew and we just talk about it why this scene why is

this scene important why are we doing this because you're going to look at this and you're going to think well the kids are going on a gluten-free diet that doesn't make any sense, how can that possibly affect autism until you realize that it does? And so what I was able to do is take all of the, everything I'd learned, and the vast majority, in fact almost everything I've learned about autism comes from parents, principally mothers, the mothers who affected children, and communicate that information to the crew. And once they understood, and this worked on two levels, one, they understood why we were doing the scene, but two, someone had taken the trouble to explain to them why this is what we were doing.

And we had an absolutely wonderful relationship. And I can never imagine it being the same again. Maybe we should never aspire to that. Maybe next time it'll be different but just as good. Right. So when are you expecting to be able to release the full film? The full film will come out late first quarter, early second quarter of next year. So we've got that runway for getting out there, talking about it, advertising,

battling with the elements. They'll see the response we get from the courts or Merck or whatever else it might be. I wonder, do you think, are you looking at distribution a little bit differently right now? You know, post-COVID, there does seem to be, you know, some attention to these issues. Do you think, I mean, we've just planned on a total blackout with Vaxed, you know, and it took work. Do you think that that's what you're expecting here? I think two things have changed. After Vax, there was very, very little attention given to the movies by the pharmaceutical

industry or anyone else. They made a mistake with Vax. They gave it an immense amount of publicity. They censored from Tribeca. It made it a worldwide phenomenon. They learned their lesson. They kind of, they never mentioned the act. I wonder how they'll deal with this one because it is so comfortable.

It is so in your face. It does name names. It'll be very interesting. The other thing that's changed is post-COVID movie theaters are desperate for content. It wasn't like the abundance of content they had before. Now they're trying to get people back into the movie theaters and they need films like this. And what a great lesson was Sound of Freedom. There was a movie that the system, the Hollywood infrastructure, had rejected a

didn't fit with their agenda for whatever reason. And it did extraordinarily well, because it was a film that mattered. And what people want to see more than anything now is films that matter, films that count, films that move the needle. And this is a film that most assuredly moves the needle. Well, fantastic.

You know, Andy, I'm so proud of you. You know, it is a Herkulean task to make a narrative picture. The costs so much higher, you know, having sets, having actors, people with salaries, not just scientists sitting down. And, you know, the fact that you've pulled all that off, that you have a story, I mean, to again, this, you know, this miraculous moment being created, you were started this. And I, you know, it was something you were working on even in talking about, even when we were working together, our film released in 2016, the fact that you're going to hit this, that you were working through COVID on this. And now, as you've said, we have a totally different world.

You're going to be stepping out. And I think it's just such critical importance because it is the number one question that we get when we talk to people now, which is, okay, I get it. The COVID vaccine was a disaster. It was rushed on the market. But the rest of the program is okay, right? That doesn't happen with every vaccine. And now, you know, you're about to pull a brick out of that dam. you know, when you look to the future, and, you know, how much is your past and this journey

you've been on, do you feel fulfilled? I feel that we've been on the right path, but it's a journey. My sadness is that we, something that constrains my fulfillment is there are so many damaged children out there. So many children that we were unable to help, unable to get to, unable to get to their parents, to warm them in time, to allow them to come to their own decision, their own choice, not to say don't vaccinate or vaccinate, but to let them, to make them aware. I think that it's been a fascinating journey. I wouldn't change any of it. It's been an enormous privilege to look after these families and ultimately to report their stories in documentary or narrative

films. Do I feel fulfilled? I'm not ready to quit yet. Okay. No, there's still several, several movies in me. All right. Well, speaking of those children that we have not been able to help yet, and those that are, I mean, the autism spectrum is claiming more and more lives every single year. Your numbers now range between 1 in 20 and 1 in 35, depending on what study you look at, whether it's a boy or a girl, are now being diagnosed with autism. It truly is the epidemic of our lifetime and yet no one in media seems to want to talk about it.

For all those parents out there that are dealing with it, that aren't in the news but are at home having handled that, where do they go? Where do they get information? There are many healing modalities that seem to be working in this. space, well, there's a great conference coming to Texas that's also going to be previewing the extended trailer for Andy's new film. This is what that's all about. So my dream for probably a good 10 years or so has been to run an autism event. To really educate those parents on addressing those underlying conditions associated with autism.

them. And truly, truly hearing from the best speakers that there are on the planet. Dr. Andrew Wakefield, Del Bigtree, Mickey Willis, all these doctors that have been on the forefront, Dr. Jerry Cartanelle, Dr. Brian Hookard, Dr. Judy Mikovitz, Dr. Peter McCullick, Dr. James Nushwander, Jeff Sowell, and daughter Sienna and Olivia, the Spellers community, and Don Marie Gavin, and all these amazing doctors, scientists, and parents on how to address the underlying biological conditions associated with autism and other neurological disorders. Hello everyone, this is Andy Wakefield. I'm excited to announce that we will be hosting an exclusive event.

at the Autism Health Summit in San Antonio on February the 3rd. At the event, we will be showing the trailer and select scenes from our new movie Protocol 7. And following the presentation, we will have a Q&A with two of the lead actors from the movie, the writer-director, and our producers. This is a one-of-a-kind experience you will not want to miss. There's a lot of bad stuff that's happening.

And what is almost invisible to the eye the good stuff it's had. And I believe we're heading towards a wellness that we've not experienced in many, many decades or generations. It's important though, regardless of what kind of power we think we hold or don't hold, that we understand that it's imperative that we all step forward. We need to research.

We need to find out, because the people are watching this probably think, me alone can't save the world. But if we get a community, if we get a community, community. If we get a group, we can really affect the world. Well, joining us in this conversation now is Tracy Slebsvik, the founder of the Autism Health Summit. Thank you for coming in today. Thanks for having me again. And we had you on to talk about your book, Warrior Mom. And so, you know, author and now taking on a major conference, this is the inaugural conference

this year. Why? Why do this? So I had a mother call me recently and say, why are you throwing this conference? And I said the number one reason was to bring parents together, to know that they're not alone, not just to give them information, new science, new treatments, new therapies, but to know that there's a community of parents that are going through the same thing, that they are just not alone. because when Noah was first diagnosed with autism, I can tell you that was the number one feeling I had. And it wasn't that I didn't have great support from my family

and my husband and everybody. But I was like, who's going to understand me? Who's going to understand what I'm going through? So all these parents, you bring them together, you know, you also bring together the professionals and the doctors and teach them. new things because we are offering CME credits and give them the opportunity to look at it from a different angle. And then one other reason was to highlight Andy.

Yeah. I know he's too proud and he's very kind, but I'm here to say and to say publicly that here is a man that stepped out to stand up for these kids so long ago. And he had nothing to gain from it, nothing, and everything to lose. He risked his life, he risked his career, his medical license, years of training and work and everything that he had done, to stand up and do what so many doctors are doing that I'm bringing to this conference to speak. And that is the oath that they took to do no harm. And that is what Andy's done.

That's what many other doctors have done. And that's what I want the world to know that they're still out there. And if you want to give me grief on social media because these doctors are speaking, I don't want you there. I want you there. I don't.

Because you have to come with an open mind to learn. And that's what I had. So many years ago when my naturopathic doctor told me, Noah will be fine, you need to go home and do your research. And as Andy said earlier, he's not telling parents what to do. He's saying, here, here's the information, do your own research. Don't listen to me. Don't listen to the thousands of parents who are saying my child regressed from an MMR vaccine.

Do your own research. Yeah. You know, Andy, Tracy brings up an interesting point. In many ways, you were all alone as a doctor out there on this issue. You know, when you first started looking at the MMR vaccine and recognize, you know, the first, you know, the famous Lances studied 12 parents. coming forward. You were there as a voice for them and then the, you know, ultimately hundreds of thousands, if not millions of parents out there. I think somewhere between 40 to 80 percent, depending on the study you look at, believe that their child's autism, you know, was related

to the vaccination. Are you sensing this, the seismic shift, I believe, is going on with doctors like Dr. Peter McCullough. I mean, not just any doctor, sort of like you, an expert in this field, a leading, you know, heart doctor in the world most published is coming around and looking at the childhood vaccine. You've got Dr. Pierre Corey, you know, who's run hospital departments, is now investigating this. You know, Paul Merrick, probably I think the living most published ICU doctor is now looking at vaccines, this autism connection. And I sat at Ron Johnson's hearing with, you know, I don't know, at least 20 doctors. And I said to them before we started,

I just want you to know the doctor that's not here is the one that was here all by himself, and that's Dr. Andrew Wakefield. Finally, you're all coming together. There is now this almost tidal wave of world-renowned professionals that are finally starting to look at this issue. Do you feel that?

Are you aware of that? Definitely. I was on a stage with Paul Merrick the other day in Atlanta, I think it was, and he sat down together. Great guy. Lovely guy. He said a year ago, I thought you were insane. And now I know he not.

That was reassuring. So it's changed dramatically. And what's fascinating is how the other side react to it, that here you have someone like Peter McCullough, the most published cardiologist in the world, top of his profession, top of his game. And one day he's a genius, who's, you know, the fount of all knowledge on cardiologist,

the next minute he's some crazy loon. You know, you can't get away with that kind of story for too long. Right. People see through that, they say, hang on a minute. Yeah. This guy's done all this, and then suddenly the next day he's the lunatic because he doesn't agree with you. They're losing so badly. Yeah.

They're losing the propaganda war. They're losing. And the reason is, because we have truth on our side. I agree. They don't have truth. The one of you don't have truth, you've got nothing. And I don't think they even care. Well, you know, when I'm dealing with the Merck people, or we were dealing with the guys at the CDC, they don't care.

They don't care about Merck or the longevity of Merck. or its share price, as long as they've made their bonus, as long as they've got out at the other end with the money intact, they'll move on. There's no great affection for the CDC, for William Thompson, he was just going to pay his pension. That's all, he was at the other end. So the difference is that those people on one side,

they just move on once they've got their bonus, there's no real concern about what they've done, why they've done it, what the consequences of what they've done are, On the other side of it, you've got mothers, where it matters enormously. It's everything. You've got parents, and they will never be defeated. Never ever be defeated because they know the truth, and part of them has been broken. And they will never quit until they have got to the bottom of it.

And that is why ultimately this side cannot win. And the mothers, the parents, the doctors who've aligned with them and tried to understand the dilemma that they face. will prevail. One of the things with VACS that I think I say was probably the best part of it. Not only was it, you know, great in waking up a lot of people. I think it's still a powerful tool, but it was how it brought the community of autism parents together. I remember that one of the first screenings when, you know, I decided, I was just curious, why is there a line down the block? And I said, well, everyone with a vaccine injured child please stand up and three quarters of the room stood up.

And it felt like the oxygen was sucked out of the room. I've told this story so many times. I knew this was an issue. I'd been a part of interviewing a dozen families with you. But I had no idea it was that big. But what was so amazing is neither did those parents that stood up. I felt like they all saw each other in the room and a movement was truly born there, which was like, oh my God.

And people came up to me and said, I didn't know this person lives on the same block as I do. You know, and we've been hiding in our homes. We thought we're all alone and suddenly this movement came together. But I feel like, you know, with COVID and all this, that connection, you know, where do they get together, right? Like, it was Vax gave all these families a reason to talk to come together. But COVID has sort of changed the conversation.

And I feel like there's still this huge issue and this huge group of people. that have, they need something to connect on. Is that, I mean, is that your feeling on this? They do. And they need new information. There is a whole popularity behind being autistic now. I have to tell you that. So, us parents who stand up and want to address those underlying conditions are being ridiculed for our hard

work and everything, even my own son, listen, I'm not trying to change you. You would not be functioning if it wasn't for me. I don't take away that you have autism. I don't, I'm not taking away your disability because, you know, it's, it's, that's the whole narrative these days. We like being autistic. Don't change us. Leave us alone. It isn't about changing an autistic person. It's about making them well. So, you know, as I wanted to give my son a full life, here it is, you know, he's 18 now, things have changed, he wants to eat what he wants to eat. My diet that I so restricted him for most of his life on is, has... So he's a typical teenager. Yeah, but I can tell you, He's very loving.

He's very respectful. And I keep telling parents, I'm like, you know, you have one challenge. You know, there's something out there. Keep searching. Keep searching. So I threw everything into this conference that I possibly could. I got every best speaker that I possibly could, including herself and Mickey. And, you know, to really just give them as much information.

and lead them in the right direction because that's all I ever wanted back then was just can you direct me this way? Because I used to be able to Google healing autism and I would get so much great information online in 2009. But you can't do it anymore. It's so censored. Yeah, they've definitely whitewashed the internet.

I go and look for studies and things that I know were there that I've used before and just pages and pages and, Where did all of that go? It's really shocking. I remember when we were sitting and making vaxed, Andy, I asked you once, I said, are you concerned that they'll never realize

you were right, that autism will just go on and you know that we'll never get to the truth? And you said, no, I'm not concerned about that at all. You just said this will continue to be a growing issue. And one day it will be so obvious that no one will be able to deny it. And you just said my goal is to try and make that happen sooner than later so we just don't lose any more children. Do you feel like, do you feel like that, that, you know, sort of fulcrum point that's coming, that realization moment, are we close?

I'm a pathological optimist, as you know. I think it is close. I mean, I had been in McCullough say the other day that he believes vaccines are linked with autism. Yeah. For someone of Peter's standing to get up and say, that that's a huge shift and these things begin slowly but they increase exponentially that the awareness increases exponentially and it's facilitated by that is if you like the silver lining of the very dark cloud of COVID is that people have come to realize that they should not trust the government they shouldn't trust public health they should not invest their trust for sure in the vaccine

manufacturers but invest their trust in those people who put everything on the line to bring them the truth from the very beginning. And I think so there is this seismic shift in perception that is happening now. And because of the exponential nature of this, it will accelerate. I sometimes put myself in the, you know, when I'm a little down or people say we're losing, I put myself in the mindset of someone on K Street in one of those hugely expensive offices where, you know, pharmaceutical industries pay a fortune for public relations and all that stuff. And they're screaming at each other.

Why the hell are we not winning? Why can't we convince these stupid people that the pharmaceutical industry are right? And I'd say that amuse with me and it also reassure them because I'm sure if it's bad for us, it's a hell of a lot but worse for them right now. I agree. The conversation's got to be shifting. Tony Fauci is going to be on the stand. having the answer to Wuhan, but also you have this all-cause mortality, excess mortality,

is now unavoidable. Pierre Corey had a great article last week on the Hill. I mean, this is mainstream now. I mean, even, you know, Fox News, you're hearing anchors talk about medical freedom and a right to choose and back. So the whole conversation is absolutely shifted. And at the heart of it, Andy, I just don't know that any of us are here without the work that you've done.

But all these scientists, these doctors are now coming out, modern, you know, this conversation, they're all going to be at this conference. So for anyone that really wants to be a part of this and see these people speak in the truth and what they actually know, the scientific understanding, both in what's happened and how to do something about it, what are the dates of the conference, just, you know, give me the details, and where do we go to sign up? All right. So it is February 2nd and 3rd of 2024. Right.

It is in San Antonio at the J.W. Marriott, San Antonio Hill Country Resort and Spa. They can go to autismhealth.com to register. They just go under registration. It is on virtual, so those who cannot attend, they can buy a virtual ticket. And there is scholarships for virtual. But it will be a wonderful event. All meals are included. There will be a great VIP hour.

which I'm really excited about. Andy and his team will be there as producers, the actors, you know, will show a little clip of Protocol 7. But also I have Jeff Sowell, which you know, and his two daughters singing. So here is a world-renowned tenor singer. Del's got a great voice. Did you know that?

You've got to ask Del to get up and sing. I use it to speak now. The singing another life on that. But the story that they have is nothing short of amazing. You know, same story. Daughter regresses. They use all the biomedical intervention. She is fully functioning today.

And here she is singing alongside of her father. Just like flawlessly. It was a story that, truly caught my eye and I reached out to Simone, her mother, and I'm like, oh my gosh, I just saw your interview. I'm like, how do I get you guys to the conference? And she was like, well, as long as they drop these COVID mandates, you know, to go into the states, we can make it.

And so they will be there. They will be singing and telling their story. The Spellers community is going to be there. So we will be showing the documentary of Spellers. Great. And we'll be highlighting that. I mean, there's really so much, if I could have packed it into two days, I did.

You know, because once you get behind those two days, it gets to be a little bit too much, but it'll be so much fun. And I'm truly grateful for your support, for Andy's, and all the doctors who chose to step up and make it out to the conference, Dr. Judy Mikevitz, Dr. Brian Hooker, Dr. Peter McCullough.

I mean, I honestly have the best of the best, Dr. James Nuswander. These doctors truly are doing what it is that they took a note to do. And it is an absolute honor to not just sit up on this stage with you, but with Andy, because I know I speak for thousands of parents who over and over are like, oh my gosh, I'm just so grateful. And I can't even begin to express my gratitude to Andy. Because if he didn't do what he did, where would my son be today? Yeah.

So to all of those who want to say whatever it is that they want to say, you know, you can talk out of both ends. But, you know, the truth is, is he truly had nothing to gain from this. Nothing. He didn't. He gave up everything. And I'm proud to sit on this stage with him. And when I walk around the airport and I'm traveling from place to place to speak, I carry my books with me. And if I see a new mother, the number one thing I do is I'll take out my book, I'll look at her, and I'll say, if I give you a book and you knew it would save your child's life, would you read it? And I haven't had a mother tell me no.

But that's what we're trying to do. One life at a time, save lives. So everything that you've done, there's a ripple effect in everything that we do. And it ripples out. And what you've done, I know you've made tremendous sacrifices. And I just want to say thank you. I'm going to say thank you for millions of parents out there. for myself because I remember listening to you

speak at conferences way back in the day. And he is a, he's like the coolest human being in general, he truly is. Well look, I look forward to being a part of this, standing on a stage with you, Andy, and so many of the great scientists and doctors that are coming around on this conversation and all the parents that need that information.

You've been just a pioneer here, your book is moving mountains, and I just want to wish you both the best. You're such a big part of my life, and I really look forward to this event to sort of get to share that story and that experience and these truths with the world. So thank you for what both of you are doing,

looking forward to film and definitely looking forward to the Autism Health Summit. Thank you, down. All right, we'll see you there.