The Highwire with Del Bigtree - ANTI-VAXXERS “NOT TABOO” ANYMORE

Episode Date: June 14, 2022

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I've been covering public health issues of medical corruption, public agency corruption, corporate corruption for like seven years, maybe eight, several of those years alongside you as we're spotlighting these issues with vaccine safety. And I've noticed, obviously, as everyone else has, there's this narrative, this anti-vax narrative that was created and has actually been really successful. And it's been able to neutralize a large conversation into this small one-sided conversation and render anybody with that label put on them invisible. That doesn't matter if you're a doctor or well-credential doctor.

It doesn't matter if you're a parent of a vaccine injured kid. If you get this label on you, you're done. And the media has kind of run roughshot over anybody that has any questions about the vaccine program, as we've covered here for several years. That is changing in a big way in a way that I've never seen it change in all this time. And this is what I want to bring to you and the viewers in almost, you know, almost in a celebration because now justice is happening in an interesting way. So check this out. The New York Times wrote this article recently. It's a gigantic article. It's the anti-vaccine

movement's New Frontier. A lot of clips from this I want to read just to give you an idea of the flavor of what I'm talking about. So let's let's look at first. They talked to a couple of pediatricians. This one's Robert Frock. He's a pediatrician. And it says here, in his 14 years of practicing medicine in Littleton, a Denver suburb, frog has seen parents decline their children's for the sake of a more, quote, natural lifestyle. He had also seen parents worrying about over-stressing their children's bodies, requesting that vaccinations be given on different schedules. But until the past nine months or so, he has rarely seen parents with already vaccinated children refuse additional vaccines. Some of these parents were even rejecting boosters of the same shots they

unquestionably accepted for their children just a few years earlier. Frock estimates that he has faced around 20 such parents, maybe more. It goes on to say. say this, these parents are not just uneducated, are not uneducated, Frock told me. Some of them are literally rocket scientists at the nearby Lockheed Martin facility. They go to talk to another pediatrician. This is Eric Ball, pediatrician in Orange County. He's also a vice chairman of the local American Academy of Pediatrics chapter. He told me that when California passed SB 276 in 2019, which tightened the oversight of

exemptions, he and his colleagues felt emboldened to push for, similar legislation in other states. Today, just three years later, these same doctors are embattled. We're completely on the defense, if he said, now we just want to hold on to what we have. And listen to this, this pediatrician goes on to say, such doubt has been accompanied by and may have been augmented by an erosion of confidence and medical expertise generally. We used to be able to persuade more with our background and training, he says. Parents trusted his advice because he was a doctor. Now, when he cites the centers for disease and control and prevention or other official guidelines, skeptical parents sometimes accuse him of being a shill. And then they finally,

one more quote here. This is from Colina Coltai. She studies misinformation of vaccine, anti-vaccine movement at the University of Washington. She says during the pandemic, the anti-vax movement was able to springboard to the mainstream, Koltai says, I don't think it's that taboo anymore to be vaccine hesitant. Well. Wow. I mean, that's a huge shift. Let me just take a moment here, Jeffrey, to just basking what you've just said for a second. And think about where we're at, as you said, with the high wire. When we were fighting for parents that were just being sidelined, accused of being crazy,

being opportunistic about the vaccines and its relationship to the so-called injury they had. I mean, I left my job at CBS because it was so clear to me that the evidence was there, that these injuries were happening. It changed my entire life. I'm so grateful for where I'm at. But to be sitting reading this now, as you've said, after all of the name calling, and by the way, I had like 20 questions

from the New York Times that I had to answer, you know, in triplicate because they're never happy with the answers for this article, only to get like one sentence in the end. But the point being is for all of you out there, whether you have been with the high wire from the very beginning, and you know who you are,

you know you were there with Vax, You were probably recording your interviews about the injury in your family or to your children as we were traveling to all of the state capitals around the country and then we started the high wire or whether you just came on during COVID. What you have to recognize is that this entire conversation has changed. Not just because we're doing a show, but because you were sharing the information, not only sharing that information, but our vaccine safety project, which are the talking points. so many of you've been carrying into your pediatricians that are giving these pediatricians a hard time, and now they're saying, I can't even win this argument. We did something, I want to point this out to you, we did something they never thought was possible. You know, when I got together with Aaron Siri, the lawyer that we work with to bring our lawsuits,

remember, when we started this, when you were all with us, you could not sue the vaccine manufacturers. They are protected from liability because the 1986 vaccine injury compensation program, taking one of the most dangerous industries that pays out billions of dollars for killing people all the time for lying about the safety of their products. And here was a product you couldn't touch them on. And everyone was telling me, all the lawyers was going to saying, oh, there's no way to get to it. Well, Aaron, Siri and I sat down and we mapped that away. We said, you know what? If the government is taking on the liability, then we are going to sue the government.

And we're going to show the world what they're lying about. And we did, as I said, what they never thought we could do. We showed that the CDC is complicit in this, that the CDC has been a part of the lie, that the CDC is taking funding from pharma, has a revolving door, and that this is the problem, this is the disease.

And so when I read that, when I read a doctor saying, I quote the CDC, and now parents call me a shill, folks, we have done it. We have done the impossible. We brought down this monolithic lying machine in the United States of America.

And now the New York Times is admitting it. So I just want you to all take them on, here, patch yourself on the back and say they never thought we would walk right through their front door, into their cathedral and say, this entire religion is coming down. We're getting back to the science. You have done that. The high wire has done that. And when I travel the world, when I'm in England, to see the effect we're having around the world, it's all because of you and your support. So let me just take this moment to say how important it is that you continue to help us do this work. Both the work to grow this media, you know, I want it to be an empire. They blame us

for having an empire, but we're talking to reporters all around the world. We want to expand. We also need to bring bigger and bigger lawsuits because right now in California, they're going to try and pass a law saying that a 12-year-old can improve a vaccine without parents being involved. Now, you know we won that case in Washington, D.C.? Well, we're going to have to pay for that case in California. It will be even bigger. All of this means this is the moment. We are winning, but if we get complacent now while we're in the winning position. You know, we rocked Goliath. Goliath is knocked back right now, but do not let him come back to his senses. I need your help. I need it now. There's so much we're trying to do. I cannot talk about it all. I'm not going to telegraph at all

because, boy, are they dying trying to figure out what our next move is. But please support us in that move right now. If you're a donor, just add five more dollars a month if you can. If you haven't been donating, you're watching what we're doing here. Make this your moment to get involved to help us change the world. Go to the highwire.com, click on the donate button. You can also see it in the I Can Decide website and become a recurring donor. This is a really great way to go. We're asking for $22 for 22, but by seeing projected costs, we know what we can get into and what we can't, and frankly, I don't want to turn down a single lawsuit right now. I don't want to let another reporter get kicked off of the BBC and say they have nowhere to go. We want to build that

landing space. I need your help. It's going to be very expensive. as these things are and you know it in this crazy world. You are changing the world. We are just reporting on it and using the skills and the people that we have around us to do the best that we can. Please note that you have done this and your help is how we move forward. All right.

Sorry for interrupting you, Jeffrey, but this is, it's just so huge. It may just be words to some people that got involved, but I know those of us that have been at this, you know, I've been at this since the 2015. So many people back, you know, decades before that. But we're finally seeing this giant ship that everyone said couldn't be turned, being turned. It's truly an exciting moment.

We've never thought we'd see words like this. And let's not just take the words of a couple pediatricians quoted in an article from New York Times that a lot of people don't believe anymore because they've treated the information in the people so poorly over the years. Let's look at more supporting evidence here. So that doctor said a lot of these parents aren't, aren't. you know, uneducated. They're literally rocket scientists. Well, there's a Carnegie Mellon University study that came out in 2021. And this is the headline here. The most hesitant groups of all PhDs. And let's look at this graph here, this bar graph. So they did a survey during 2021 when they were

rolling out the coronavirus vaccines. And they found that 23.9% of people that were label as vaccine hesitant in this survey were PhDs. It's called a U-shaped survey because on the flip side, high school or less or the other high degrees of people that were vaccine hesitant. But why are we having PhDs leading the vaccine hesitancy? There's another big question, and that cooperates what that pediatrician in Denver was saying. We're right outside Denver. But let's look at the headlines here. He says he quotes the CDC and patients call him a shill.

Well, it's not because anti-vaxxers. It's because of the CDC's own work during the coronavirus and their politics. Here's just some of the headlines if people don't remember of their own doings. This is 2021. Embattled CDC rethinks pandemic response after criticism of guidelines. And then we have stat news. This was typically a very pro-vaccine outlet. This is them reporting on the FDA's decision to skip the independent experts. U.S. official's decision on COVID-19 boosters shots baffle and upset some scientists. And then we have this from Tablemag. How the CDC abandoned science. This is Vinnie Prasad. He's saying the CDC is severely damaged

its reputation led to a growing divide in trust in science. And even HHS and Bacera is in its mix as well. So we have all the agencies. This is the headline White House frustrations grow over health chief Bacera's handling of the pandemic. These are just headlines over the past by year, year and a half. And no one's happy with the leadership or these public health agencies. And they're creating their own downfall by this politicalization of science. But let's let's look at more of a focus analysis here. This is in the BMJ. And when things are in medical journals like this and they're a long drawn out analysis, these are beacons to the medical community, public health community, the intelligentsia of medicine to stop and think. This is a big deal here. So this is the

headline. The unintended consequences of the COVID-19 vaccine policy, why mandates, passports, and restrictions may cause more harm than good. This is a big deal. Let's look at the graph here from that. And it's saying here are the unintended consequences. They break them up into behavioral psychology, political and legal effects, socioeconomic, and the integrity of science and public health. But notice one thing here. We have the WHO trying to create this global health governance, trying to have oversight that literally one of the tools they're using, which is this force vaccine policy, is doing the exact opposite of that. If you look at this graph again, they're saying that the unintended consequences of this vaccine policy under political and legal effects, disunity and global health

governance. That's the exact opposite of what the WHO is trying to do. Polarization of the anti-vax movement. This is what they're trying to bring together. And then if you look under integrity of science and public health, the erosion of trust in regulatory oversight, this is what we're experiencing right now. erosion of key principles of the public health ethics. This is exactly against the mission statements of these agencies. And they go on to write this in the BMJ. Denying individuals, education, livelihoods, medical care, or social life unless they get vaccinated, especially in light of the limitations with the current vaccines, is arguably in tension with constitutional and bioethical principles. They go on to write, especially in liberal democracies, while public support

consolidated behind these policies in many countries, we should acknowledge that ethical frameworks were designed to ensure that rights and liberties are respected even during public health emergencies. And then it goes on to say this is perhaps the most important statement of the day here. The pressure to vaccinate and the consequences of refusal heightened people's scrutiny of information and demand for clarity and transparency. Jobs done. Basically, they're saying the more we're pressuring people to vaccinate, the more they're using critical thinking, the more they're seeing through us, the more they're using clarity and demanding transparency. This is the exact thing that we've been working towards.

And it's been supercharged by this push as we've been showing for so many years. But then and Jeffrey, I also think that where would any of this be if no one was reporting on it? Because you certainly weren't hearing these things from the New York Times. You weren't hearing from the Washington Post. You weren't hearing on MSNBC, Fox. You know, thank God Tucker Carlson and maybe Laura Ingram started covering stuff. some of these things. We were certainly sending them all the information we had.

I'm glad somebody jumped on, but really, without us being here reporting on it, are we here? I mean, it just seems like they have been used to decades and decades of everybody just being snowblown, right? Like whatever, CDC's amazing, doctors are amazing. I just trust whatever it is, I hear, you know, this voice, we gave the people voice, and we put the microscope, the magnifying glass on top of this last,

lack of integrity, this lack of scientific method. I just wonder, you know, I mean, I'm not trying to like sort of toot our own horn, but it really feels like we are, you know, we've managed to give languaging and visibility to something that has always been there. Nothing changed me. That's, I guess, my point. This has always been the case. You and I look back. We've looked at the history of the CDC, the FDA. This isn't something that's totally brand new. The corruption's gotten a little bit worse, but they have been just covering up their errors and shuffling all the problems under the bed. And now the one thing this changed is we came along and said, you know what, let's build an entire news program around these liars. And look where we're at now. I mean, it's, again,

it's just truly amazing that we can have that effect. When we do what's right, when we tell the truth, it really, truly can make a difference. Shabnan was just, you know, I know the work she's doing in African India. I just want people to get that, you know, it's not just because we have a show, But when we all do what we're guided to do, when we actually give up this fear that, oh my God, it's so much bigger than us, there's nothing we're going to be able to do. When we actually step up, we do make a difference. We stop the WHO, we stop the CDC, the FDA. And there's more of that to come.

Boy, they're going to come back all guns blazing, but I know because of this success, we can be successful there too. You hit on something too. It's very important. You know, conspiracy theories aside, at the very least, we're going to be successful. the media with all of their millions of dollars there are hundreds of thousands of journalists there there are dozens of outlets they're lazy the story's been there to be told for decades and decades and they missed it at best they missed it they're lazy flat-footed uh stenographers of the

cdc parents have been waiting for this story to be told and they didn't do it i talked to the parents with these these these journalists come to their houses and do these large exposés and they don't run them so they're lazy so get hey media get Get off your butts. There's stories to be told. Go get them. You don't have to neutralize people anymore.