The Highwire with Del Bigtree - ARE GENDER TRANSITION DRUGS SAFE?

Episode Date: May 11, 2023

Dr. Patrick Flynn, AKA ‘The Hormone Whisperer’, breaks down the inherent differences between the hormones in men and women and the devastating long term dangers of puberty blockers on young adults.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-highwire-with-del-bigtree--3620606/support.

I am a detransitioner. I am an 18-year-old detransitioner. I originally came out publicly with my story in January 2020 while I was still transitioning. I've seen firsthand the horrors that transitioning so young can bring. I came out here to share my experience as somebody who I felt could have avoided this. Our goal overall is to bring awareness to detransitioners. We've gone through it, we've escaped out of it, and we're exposing the truth of their life. At 15, I underwent a double mastectomy and my breasts were permanently removed.

I wanted to be a mother one day and if I were to continue down the path of being a female, I never would be able to do that. I stopped transitioning. I started socially transitioning at the age of 15. Medicalization began at 17 with a very high dose of testosterone. When I turned 18, my birthday present to myself was cutting off my boobs. I went on testosterone and ended up my chestosterone. testosterone and estrogen blockers at age 17 and then age 19 I had a double mastectomy

but that mastectomy went very wrong I ended up having massive bilateral hematoma which is like pulling of blood underneath the skin and my surgeon he was nowhere to be seen it was just let me take your money let me like you know use a scaffold on you and then I knew in the beginning there isn't going to be any support they claim to be the good guys but the good guy does not yell at people silent and give them incredible death threats Unbeknownst to me, my daughter was being socially transitioned to believing that she was a boy. My daughter's school was transitioning, socially transitioning her behind my back.

And she had a teacher who was using male pronouns and a new made-up name for her. This was when she was 11 years old. My daughter decided that she was a boy at the age of 13. And I watched my daughter mental health decline significantly when she took on a trans identity. to trans identity. We had a parent that came to us, and we had teachers that came to us, that they were being told by the administration

that Title IX includes confidentiality to lie to parents, telling these children that they can't trust their parents with this critical issue that they're dealing with in their life. You're undermining the very foundational element of that which nurtures a child. That moment we say we might be trans, we are automatically affirmed and given a pathway to medicalization and surgery,

Even adult patients who I've talked to, they feel like they were duped into something that they were lied to by the doctors, that they weren't really given the full picture of how transitioning would affect them. Parents are being lied to who are vulnerable with suicidal children and being told that if they don't affirm, medicalize, mutilate, and sterilize their child, that that child will kill themselves. And it's just not true. We're in a society where there's a quick fix for everything. They want to get a quick fix for everything. They want to get to be a child. give you a pill for everything. They want to give you a procedure for everything. Most of the kids are on some sort of medications all the times. My daughter, friends group, they're all like popping pills at an insane pace. The adults in the community were telling them it could be helpful for them to take drugs that could ruin their endocrine system

and get surgeries that could leave them, you know, know, with pain for life and incontinence and risk of sepsis. There's no one on the medical side who can help them detransitioned because this is all an experiment. They don't understand why the detransitioners have pain. They don't understand why things ache. They don't understand why they have incontinence. They don't know. There's also, I think, a huge profit incentive to this and my doctors, none of them really followed up with me after I stopped transitioning.

Gender industry is a $1.2 billion industry. If you have a so-called sex change and you have, for example, a double mastectomy and a phalloplasty, and then another phalloplasty, and then maybe you get a little bit of a meteoroplasty. You're talking quarter million dollars over the course of 15 years. So we'd love to have a transgender patient, right? It's money right in your pocket. I want to stop the practice of medically transitioning and harming these children. We have to get this away from children.

to get this away from children because children are very impressionable young minds. We need actual safeguards. This is a gender war. It's occult and children and mentally ill people are on the front lines going straight down the conveyor belt to the altar to cut off body parts. This is mutilating otherwise beautiful, perfect young children. We need to stop these procedures for everybody under the age of 18. We have to finally legislatively ban this. practice. I do know people who you know very well at least believed that they

were going to end their life they didn't get transitional medicine. I do feel like if we gave people psychological interventions that maybe we wouldn't be seeing the necessity for the medical interventions whatsoever. They say a woman is is a Barbie and what they say a man is is G.I. Joe and nobody's either of those. We're all in the middle and we should celebrate our differences and never tell a child that Everything is wrong with their body. You don't cut all body parts of children when they don't fit right. You teach them how to live into themselves.

We're perverting people's completely normal feelings and their struggles. That their bodies are wrong and that they should change them. And that's not right. We should be teaching people from the get-go is that you are whole. Nothing will make you whole. You have to find that within yourself. You know, as I watched that video, some of these, you know, people that have gone through this, you know, gender transition, the parents talking about the health implications no one's talking about, you know, aching joints and fatigue and fevers and incontinence and all of these things. And I just think, you know, how little is known about this. And as I was working on this, one of my, you know, favorite doctors out there came to mind, Dr. Patrick Flynn. They call him.

The Hormone Whisperer, he is the author of I Disagree, and I wanted to ask him some questions, so I'm really psyched to be joined by Dr. Patrick Flynn right now. Dr. Flynn, it's great to see you. Dale, great to see you as always. Now, I know you've been watching Lucas story and this discussion, and what I find shocking is really, you know, as from Lucas's perspective, how little is known. And one of the things, you and I have been on stages speaking, you know, all of the country, you've been all over the world. You're very focused on how even more important than vitamins is, you know, hormones in our balance. And so I really wanted to ask you, you know, what happens to a body when we just inject, you know, a woman or a girl with testosterone, a child, or we, you know, take a boy and inject them with estrogen. Is it just that simple, easy-peasy, and now we're just, you know, turn to a different gender? I have to imagine, since you are so, you know, specific about every little nuance of your hormones affecting your future, what are your thoughts on this issue?

Well, to me, it's very scary. For the things, because there's a big difference between men and women that comes to their hormones. For example, if you just even take a look at the basic science of how hormones are produced and converted, Do you understand that the females will have different enzymes and a higher level enzymes to help convert their hormones to other forms? Males have this a little differently, but so they're not at the same level. And to give you an example, you know, if you look at just testosterone itself, guys can actually handle a certain level of testosterone because what it does is actually produced and then convert to other forms. So they're meant, their bodies biologically meant to take it. And therefore, if it gets too high or too low, there's physical and there's mental things that happen, even if boys or men get too,

higher, too low testosterone. It gets even a little bit more devastating what else that comes to women because they have so many more conditions that can happen if they end up with like estrogen dominance or even low progesterone. The thing is this, they each have different factors that cause them to convert to different forms. And I can give you example. If you look at the normal ranges of just even like, let's say, estrogen for males, if you look at the dramatic increase for women is about four or five times more than a male. A male has a roughly range about zero to And if you look at this way and take a look at this, it's just a simple research there. You know, sex is a major determinant once again of some of the enzymes that we do have.

There's great research out there. You pull up from PubMed and to show that they have much more capability of converting that. Now, if they automatically stick that level of estrogens into a male, their body is not meant to handle it. It can't. It doesn't even have the specific load. I can show you some research. I just saw what happened to Kelly Klein there, where she was in New Zealand.

New Zealand actually on their medical, one of their medical websites, they've been talk about how these certain enzymes right there, the drug metabolism. If you look, there's certain enzymes you have, and you can see they're called P-4-53 or four. It's part of the liver, part of your small intestine. But look at six down. Look at it right down.

Women have higher levels more activity than men. And what that shows is this. Their ability to convert hormones, they're ability to convert estrogens, is predominantly much higher with them. So I actually had something that I can sit right here, in my labs right here. And this drove me absolutely crazy. So I have this hospital, this person had labs sent to me. They have female adult ranges. They have male adult ranges. And then they

have transgender ranges. And this was a male for their estrogen levels. And all of a sudden, I had to call the hospital because I said, listen, I had labs sent down to me by a patient. And all of a sudden, I look at and you go, hey, listen, the male estradiol ranges go from roughly 2060. The females obviously go from, you know, 70 to 200. Okay. But the transgender for males converting to a female is 100 to 200. How do you determine where are you going to put that value in there? And they had no other reason. They said this, what they put down on their form when they put male or female, that's where we put their ranges in. And it was interesting. So even though this was a- So the patient's deciding, not doctors, not medicine, not science,

It's just whatever the patient's doing and whatever their psychologist has decided to roll with, there you have it. What are the health implications of a woman, let's say, having too much testosterone in their body, if that happened naturally, which is something you would deal with, what are the health implications of that for a woman?

Well, two things. Take a look at Luca when she was transitioning before. Look at her skin. Does you see the acne? Does you see the changes in her facial structure? But also, here's what happens. You have an increased testosterone like that. You're going to end up with major conditions.

You're going to have put P-2S. On top of it, if you kind of look, if those levels get even higher, they can develop with forms of cancer. The sad part of that is this, is they're not meant to handle that levels of testosterone. So therefore, they end up with major conditions. But here's the one thing.

And here's the one thing. I'm going to give you an example of a, this is about 2008. Don't quote me exactly those. In 2008, I had a young girl that came in. She came with her mother, and she ended up having cystic acne, and she had some excessive facial hair growth. She had some really strong periods.

So what happens? I said, listen, let's get your hormones measured. And at this time, I asked her for her past doctor's labs. And of course, we can get into it. They have a very incomplete how to look at both female and male hormones. So we properly tested her. We did a whole rate of test that way. I got them back, and her testosterone levels really high. Well, what happens to this?

We so focused on the physical things that happen. We could see it. And I saw her testosterone levels. We're about, probably about 84 if I remember, which is almost double the range. And I looked there and said, listen, I said, there's physical manifestations that happen with hormones, but there's also psychological ones that happen. And she goes, can you explain?

I said, well, listen, testosterone is a very aggressive, dominant. It actually gives even a male sex drive, everything to that. Her mom stopped me and said, can we talk about something? And the daughter's right there. She's about 19 years old. She looks at, she looks and says, she says, hey, listen, she goes, we're here because my daughter also thinks she's a boy. And I looked there, and I saw the shame come over this young lady. And I looked at her.

I looked her right in the eyes. I said, I got a question for you. You understand that this, what if I told you that you couldn't control it? And she perked up a little bit. I said, do you understand? Hormones by nature are called messengers. Therefore, if you have these elevated messages going to your body, it's going to affect you both physically and psychologically.

And it can change how you view of the world. It can change how you see yourself. It can change how you see the other sex. It can change how you see everything. And actually she started to cry because she realized that she realized that she's, didn't have control over something that was going to abnormal her body. And within three months of getting her hormones back to normal, all of a sudden she came in for a consult. And I wasn't going to retest her hormones for about six months. And she came in about three months or so,

and her mom made it just giddy as can be. And my job was not to worry the manifestation happens to get those hormones back to normal because when you get those hormones back to normal, those skin changes, those period changes, those hair changes, by nature you're genetically programmed to go back to normal and if there's wrong messages, guess what? If the messages start to go right, all of a sudden they're so happy, they sit down and say, doc, doc, doc, guess what? And she goes, I now feel like a young woman now. So I ran her lab directly. Dostasuan dropped right back down to normal. And no jokes. It's this day she's doing fantastic. She's married, has kids now and everything. And that's where when I see these people that actually, you know, are going through this,

I have a lot of empathy for them because you know why. Ladies, you know this. Let's say that you just have period cramps or you have some other psychological thing that happens, depression, anxiety, because their hormones are too low or too high. It's out of your control. It really is. We think that we can control this,

and then we look at them and go, you know, you're just making a choice. What have I told you that there could be hormonal issues that could lead to these psychiatric issues that could really change how you can view the world and deal yourself? It's been fun, you know, when you speak, is a lot of fun to your talks because you just talk about how, you know, we're judging each other a lot and maybe we just need to adjust and take a look at our hormones. And in this case, you have children that are, you know, you have doctors that don't know what they're talking, but forcing a total shift on the body.

I just sort of wrap this up because I want solutions. I hate doing stories, you know, you know, Luca is out there really trying to warn children, warn parents, making really important. statements about the internet and watching how our children are being trained in this. But can I ask you this? When you watch the story of Luca, there's obviously this growing body of people now as you watch these rallies that are going on that are trying to detransition out of this. Do you, is there a space? I mean, they seem to be up against doctors and saying we don't know what to do here.

Though the story you just told us about a natural girl, I mean, who's naturally out of balance, is there possibly of fixing someone that is so totally radically hit their body with an unnatural charge of either estrogen in a boy or testosterone inside of a young girl? Well, of course, because here's what happens. When you put that level of testosterone into the body, remember, that's the metabolize. That's to convert to other forms. And their organ systems are not meant to deal with that. So really, they don't have the support or the enzymes to do it that way.

So that can be supported and you can't see that transition. I would love, I would love the opportunity to not only, you know, work with Luca, get her tested properly, because that's the biggest thing. The one thing I can tell you in all of hormonal health, the sad part is this, doctors do not do the right things to actually even test them. So what they're doing is they're trying to make decisions on them that's incomplete. I can honestly tell you, I have a mother in this studio, in our studio right now that dealt with the same thing with their daughter. And what happens is she wanted to take, they wanted to give her testosterone to transition. her. The sad part is this. I'm like, did they ever test your hormones? And the answer overwhelmingly is no. Well, she already had abnormal hormones. So you're going to now give her synthetic other hormones

to make them more abnormal. And it's really sad. There's so much help for individuals like Luca. And I would love to have the opportunity just to have a conversation with her. And then guess what? Show her what can be done because here's what happens. Even her body, even though they've manipulated it chemically and they've altered it. Guys, there's there's so much hope and there's so much things. that can be done because your body wants to be normal. It's been altered chemically, but what if we can support its regeneration? What if we can support its growth? What if we could normalize those hormones back to level?

And we can see those things transition truly back to that female state that she belongs. Awesome. I'm definitely going to connect to you after the show with Luca and, you know, let you sort of take that conversation from there. For people that are interested, whether it's just in their own hormones out of balance or perhaps they're watching the show right now, or they've been They've been handed this show by a friend saying, I know your child is going through this.

What's a great way they could reach out to you and make contact and perhaps get some proper testing done to see if they can get their lives and their homeowners back into balance? Yeah, we have clinics all over the U.S. Just go to the wellnessway.com. Find the clinic up there. We have clinics all over. Also, if you ever want to follow my stuff that way,

I have a huge Instagram page. It's just Dr. Patrick Flynn. I share information that, you can see the people debate on it all the time as they do here. And I've been kicked off many of the platforms before, but they always seem to let me back on and share more information. So that would be a great way to actually for people to follow. All right, Dr. Flynn, thank you for taking the time.

Very enlightening. And I love that you're out there, you know, helping people through all sorts of issues around their hormones. So take care. Hormone whisperer. I'll see you out there in the talking circuit. I'm soon, I'm sure. So take care. Thanks for joining us.

You bet you. Thanks, Dale.