The Highwire with Del Bigtree - BEHIND THE BORDER CRISIS WITH MICHAEL YON

Episode Date: February 17, 2024

Former Green Beret and Combat Correspondent, Michael Yon, breaks down thethe US-funded journey of illegal immigrants he has been documenting all the way down to the Darien Gap in Columbia.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-highwire-with-del-bigtree--3620606/support.

The biggest conversation happening in the United States of America right now is just miles away from me here in Austin, Texas. On the border of Texas, there's a standoff going on. There's people that are, you know, trying to say we deserve to have a border. Many, you know, politicians that are trying to fight this are saying, without a border, you have no nation. This is a major conversation going on, as I said at the top of the show, recent polling just last week shows that this has now become the, the number one issue in America. And it's not just red. It's not just blue. Everybody's concerned. New York schools, children being moved out of schools in order to keep immigrants warm. This is a massive problem. What's behind it? What's going on? I've got one of the, I think, most dynamic

individuals that can bring them some real clarity coming right up. If you happen to be, you know, coming out of a coma for the last month or so, then maybe you didn't see this. in the news. The scale of the problem is unprecedented. Authorities say they are overwhelmed. Encounters have now exceeded 250,000. The border has never been worse. New concerns on the southern border

as more migrants risked their lives to enter the U.S. A stampede of people rushing down to the edge of the river just after midnight, but they went rushing into the water and crossed illegally right into Eagle Pass. The state of Texas has been left pretty much abandoned. by the federal immigration authorities. And we know this migrant flow is going to continue

based on what's happening south of the border last month at the border crossing between Colombia into Panama. Nearly 82,000 migrants crossed. The Columbia is where they gather to go through the Dary and Gap. Panama is an invasion portal to the United States and there's huge numbers of people coming from about 150 countries and they come through Colombia and then they have through that jungle called the Dary and Gap.

Texas is blocking federal agents from processing migrants in a public area of Eagle Pass. State authorities late Wednesday began adding razor wire, fencing and gates to shut off access to Shelby Park and an area under a port of entry bridge. Texas's Republican Governor Greg Abbott deployed National Guard troops to the park. They are now preventing U.S. Border Patrol agents from entering and patrolling the area. This part of the border is a common spot for migrant crossings. Federal Government says border patrol agents can no longer access or view the stretch of the border. Just last month, there was a historic surge of migrants that illegally crossed into this very property. Overwhelming Border Patrol and the state of Texas.

As part as Governor Abbott's emergency declaration, the state of Texas is also now arresting migrants who illegally cross into this park and this state. That is a massive change in procedure in this park. The Department of Homeland Security issuing a letter to the state's attorney. Attorney General demanding Texas immediately cease and desist any actions that block Border Patrol's full access to the U.S. Mexico border in and around the Shelby Park area. Essentially saying that if the state and the Texas National Guard do not remove all barriers to this park by Wednesday, that DOJ is going to consider all other options available to restore Border Patrol access to the border. Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton fired back in a letter this afternoon saying Texas isn't backing down. The Supreme Court tonight giving the Biden administration a win in its effort to remove that wire fencing. Five to four vote now clears the way for federal agents to actually cut down the wire,

which administration officials have called dangerous and inhumane. It means federal agents can resume cutting razor wire, but Governor Abbott says the state will keep adding more wire, saying the state's constitutional right to defend itself outweighs federal law. The Constitution itself is the supreme law of the land. The Constitution itself provides Texas with a right of self-defense in this case because the United States has abandoned its responsibility to defend in Texas. All right, well, it's my honor and pleasure to be joined right now by ex-Green Beret, war correspondent, and probably one of the biggest experts on this immigration crisis.

going on, Michael Yon. Thanks, Del. It's a pleasure to have you back on the show. Thank you for having me back on. It's been a year, right? Yeah, it's been a year. And what a crazy year it's been. In many ways, you predicted that we would hit this sort of crisis point.

I mean, it was fairly obvious to anyone looking at it. But first of all, let me ask the question. I know you've been in Panama for months. We've been talking to you. There's even a moment where I was trying to see if I could get down there. But why are you in Texas right now? What brings you up here? Well, I'm in Texas for a board.

issues as well. But you know, as I was watching in the control room and you're talking about the death jabs, it's just amazing how this hybrid war that we're in, it has so many facets, right? I mean, it's got the, obviously, the Pharmicide, which is absolutely massive. And then the demographic war that's going on, which is massive. I mean, I'm down in places like Morocco and Lithuania and Netherlands, Japan, looking at the same thing. I go, you know, on the ground to all these places, right? So I've just gotten back from the Dary and Gap a day and a half ago. I was down there with actually Brett Weinstein and Dr. Chris Martinson, Ann Van der Steele, and Mouss, the whole game, right?

Great group, yeah. Yeah, and, you know, Brett is something else. When you get into the jungle, a lot of people are kind of afraid of the jungle. I was afraid that Brett was going to disappear in the jungle and not come back. You never come back. The man loves the jungle. But, I mean, it was a lot of fun with Brett. An unexpected side turn, we were looking for bats in the jungle.

But one of the things I think that Brett learned if you talk with him is that the ecosystem that creates these invasion flows, and that's what they are. It's quite massive. It's quite organized. It's very professional. And in fact, well, a day and a half ago, before I jumped on the airplane, I was at their headquarters in Panama. In Panama City is something called the City of Knowledge, right?

And the City of Knowledge now, well, it used to be Fort Clayton for those who know about Fort Clayton. So this used to be sort of American territory on the canal there. And was it, I believe, was it Jimmy Carter that sort of? have handed that back? Right. And so in 1999, it officially went back to Panama. So it was Fort Clayton at that time. We basically gave them Fort Clayton with the keys in the doors. Beautiful base. And it's right next to the Mirafloris locks for those who know what I'm talking about. And the Pan American Highway Bridge, or some people call it the old, the old Zonians would

call it the Thatcher Ferry Bridge, right? Well, that's the bridge for Highway 1 that goes over the Panama Canal. And so about 62 of the NGOs, IGO, and nonprofits, such as IOM, highest, NRC, all these acronyms that a lot of people probably don't know what I'm talking about. But anyway, it's a who's who in the zoo. Hundreds of millions, if not billions of U.S. dollars are pumping into this.

It's mostly the United States that's funding our own invasion. A lot of people don't realize that. So you're saying that down where we used to, you know, now it is set up in what used to be sort of American, you know, military territory. Now it's all these NGOs from around the world, giant buildings, tons of money pouring in, all as a part of an effort to help these migrants or invaders, as you call them, from almost every nation in the world to take a free trip

through Panama on your way up to our wide open border. Is that, is that? Yeah, it's epic. I mean, I could talk for days about it, so I'll try to summarize. Okay. For instance, there's different ecosystems of people coming in. There's the Chinese as an example. Okay. They have their own sort of a pipeline within a pipeline. Many of the Chinese will come in through Kido, Ecuador, then they'll go up through Colombia. Actually, Anthony Rubin, my good friend who just went through there. And they advertise us. We found this. This is a Chinese advertisement that's on their social media on go-to, here's how you get into America and become an American. Take a look at this, folks. It's going to blow your mind. This is advertising for the trip into America. My only question there is, why don't

they hop on the scooter sooner? You know? But I mean, how raising? Right? Like, you know, and I wonder, do you think, you know, when we think about the border and the drug cartels are playing such a major part of this, I mean, it's almost like they're travel agents to the world right now bringing people through them. There's a chance they paid for that ad, right? Like, come on down to Panama. We'll get you into America. Oh, absolutely. You've got another video that show is straight up a travel agency. And we know a lot about their travel networks. We know many of their snake heads. The snakehead is the Chinese name. for Coyotes. Okay. And actually, I'd like to shout out for our China team for finding so many of these videos and so much of the information, which is in Mandarin. And so every day they're scouring the net. For instance, we see how they get Vietnamese passports, Cambodian passports, passports from

Lao. So I mean, we see how they do this all over the place. So the bottom line is, for instance, actually many of the Chinese don't go through Kito or Columbia or the dairy and gap. bypass, they'll fly straight to Mexico City if they can, or to Cancun. They'll go on vacations in Cancun and link up with their snake heads there, do a vacation, and then they come across the borders in places like McAllen and Yuma and San Diego. And so it goes on and on.

That's the Chinese ecosystem. And within the Chinese pipeline, there's sub-pipelines. Some are coming up to run illegal or legal marijuana grows in Maine and Oregon, Oklahoma, California. What are they putting in this marijuana, right? I mean, obviously you're dealing in the farmer world and the Kimmel. I mean, they're in the fentanyl world and they're in the marijuana world. They're doing huge marijuana grows, right?

So there's Chinese that are coming in at that level. You have a video of one of these guys. I don't know if he's Chinese or from some Asian country that you think could potentially be a bad guy. Let's just take a look at this and you can explain to me what we're looking at. Okay, this is at San Vicente camp down in Darien Province. This is the camp that's Secretary of Homeland Security. Where?

Where? What is that? What? What? What? What? What? What?

No? No, I don't care. Okay. Which country are you from? Delete it? I'll tell you about it. What? She said, delete the video and I'm going to tell you everything.

She said, delete the video. No, I'm not going to tell anything to you. No, no, no, before I get mad, please delete it right now. You got me, lady. Where are you going? Where are you going? You got a... Stop that video. I don't like it. I don't like lady.

I'm being reasonable. Please, please, the lady. I'm pretty sure you're a spy. I can't tell. Oh, come on. You're a spy, brother. Okay, I'm going to tell everything about it. They're not. They're American. I can't tell them. You can go, let's go. I'm going to tell me about it. You'll leave the video. I'm going to get into it. Why don't you can sit with us? What?

Can you sit with us here? We're at the restaurant. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Come on. Okay, we then talked with him for an hour and a half, right? Okay. His name is Lushan Jiao. He didn't tell us that, but we figured it out through various means. He said that that's him. So we got one of his ID cards back in China.

So the bottom line is, is he had, for the next hour and a half, he talked about, he told his story, right? And he said that he had bought a boat from a Scotsman in Nassau, the Bahamas. China has a huge embassy in the Bahamas, by the way. He said he bought it for $5,000. He was headed to Florida. He said he ran out of fuel. And the U.S. Coast Guard picked him a

We were able to confirm the U.S. Coast Guard did in fact pick him up. So he was deported somehow back to the Bahamas. The Bahamas, he said, was deport, we've got this on audio. The Bahamas was deporting him back to China. He connected in Cuba. And in Cuba, he told us that he changed his flight to Quito Ecuador. And that's when he got into the ecosystem, right? So then he goes through Columbia, through Darien.

And there's this one place that I wait to talk with them as they come out of the, as they come out of the jungle. And that's the spot. I just happened to be with Anthony Rubin, So that's why there was more involved. So let's talk about this because this is what really fascinating, and we've been talking to you while you were down in Panama, is there's these gigantic camps, right?

They fly in and there's just these massive clear cuts where it looks like they're clearing out forests and these camps are just getting bigger and bigger. Some of them filled with Venezuelans, I guess, and Chinese. Are they now, do they all congregate together or the camps sort of secular? Are they like in their own, with their own groups? But how big are these camps? What are we talking about? Okay, that's an interesting question.

The camps are clearly growing. I go out to the camps often and we drone the camps or I just walk around in them with the Indians, Embraa Indians, Kuna Indians. And also sometimes I just go back with airplanes, charter them, so I can get higher and see more. You can't see much of them on Google Earth, by the way. But in any case, the camps not only are getting bigger and more,

they're just more efficient. Like, for instance, the camp that he's going to is called San Vicente Camp, right? And I've spent months right beside that. camp at a hotel called Tenosey, right? Now there's a built, there's an office right beside about 40 meters away from the front gate of San Vic. I call it China Camp. There's a there's a highest office there. Highest is the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society, right? Now, Secretary of Homeland Security Mayorkas used to be a board member on highest. Really? Yeah, and in fact, I was getting

ready to rent that house and highest rented it before I could get it, right? But that's right beside what we call China camp. Now, when Secretary of Homeland Security, Mayorkas, flew to Darien on April 18th of 2022, I had been waiting for him for four days. And he landed in four Blackhawks, landed right in front of me, went right past the highest office, and went into San Vicente camp. Now, he has pledged money to build it, which he has. So that camp is now, you can see the drone footage of the day he's in it. That's it. Wow, look at that. That's his people going in right there. That's, he's in the middle of that thraggle. So we're, funding this. We're funding it. We're paying to make these camps as stopovers to make it comfortable

for you while you prepare yourself to come into our country illegally. And there's IOM or in Spanish, it's OIM. They are the main engine of the invasion. That's something I took breath to see. What does OIM stand for? And IOM is the international organization for migration. Okay. So IOM or OIM depending on your language, right? Okay, very good. They are the main engine for this. Of course, that engine did not create itself. They are a sub-component of the United Nations. So if you go to the City of Knowledge in Panama City,

right next to Mirro Flores-Lawks, old Fort Clayton, the IOM has the number, they have the best office space. Their flag flies over where the US flag used to fly. IOM flag, right? And so they've got office number 110. So if you look that up on the map, it's the best office space in all of Panama, I would say. It overlooks.

No, let me, like, I would think. you know, office of migration, you would think they're working on getting you proper paperwork, figuring out who you are, but that's not what they're doing. They're, I mean, they're not planning a migration. They're planning invasion. They're helping you come to our country illegally. They're not there saying, how do we do this legally for you? Are they? I mean, no, in fact, one of the things the highest does who works in their office is very close to IOM. Well, there's their office up in the city of knowledge in Panama City. Yeah. And then there's the office down in Darien. So, so the IOM.

The IOM actually, anyway, not to go into that, but Huyas often coaches people on how to, what to say when you get to the U.S. border, how to get through the Mexican border and all these sorts, you know, what to tell people and that sort of thing, how to fill out the paperwork, how to say that, you know, you're running from that situation and that sort of thing. So Hias helps with a lot of legal information and I can give you tons more on them. It's a who's who in the zoo. And you were telling me when you were down there that you were, you know,

you had these images of just boats full of at that moment, Chinese just coming up the river, just moving. And then I feel like you said to me that we're even building bridges and like making pathways and roadways by which the amount of time it used to take you to get through the garian gap to get up to the American border, that we're helping reduce that time. So that's happening faster. Tell me a little bit about that.

Oh, very fast. For instance, we know of one Chinese from, from China, not from, you know, Malaysia or something. And he got all the way through and up to Brooklyn and got a driver's license in about 10 days. 10 days. Yep, that's pretty fast. But keep in mind, the Chinese are coming into their own ecosystems, right? So a lot of the Chinese will go to Flushing, New York, others go to Brooklyn, others go to California, Florida. But they're going into their own ecosystems, right? It's interesting, too. I want to go back to highest. That's very important. Secretary of Homeland Security was a board member on highest.

If you go to highest.org, you'll see them congratulating him when he gets to be nominated for the Secretary of Homeland Security. Now, highest, if you look on their highest.org, you'll see all these donors, like there's nine different Shapiro's and there's Pritzker's and all these guys. And it's interesting because the majority of people coming through right now are from Venezuela. There's a massive amount of Hespa law in Venezuela. And they speak Spanish fluently, right? They have a very close relationship Venezuela does with Iran. If you're Iranian, you can come right in and get a new passport immediately. But there are a lot of Hesbalah who already live there, right?

And they have- So Hesbullah, who we are now really actually in a conflict with. We've got, you know, what is starting to feel like a potential war going on up, you know, in the Middle East, all those things going on. So that Hesbala, the Iranian-backed, you're saying that they have people in Venezuela now. Straight up. I mean, not just now, but for generations, they speak Spanish. There's people back in that area of the world who speak Spanish. In Iran.

Like you can find Spanish speakers in Iran. In Syria and Lebanon. Okay. And so what's interesting is that, for instance, recently I had lunch with a Jewish friend in Panama. Three of his family members were killed in a bombing in 1994. In Panama, and within one day of that, there was another bombing at a Jewish senator in Argentina, which killed 80, 85 people. And three of his family members were killed on the Panama bombing in 1994.

So both of the... Interestingly, the guy... the mastermind who's believed to be the Hespa La mastermind of the 1994 bombing, he owns a bar in Venezuela right now. I mean, you can't make up this stuff. It's like, you know, Stephen King. I mean, so we've got, and I keep warning, my Jewish friends, do you understand huge amounts of Jewish money is pumping Hespa Laugh into the United States?

They're going to meet you on the golf course in Fort Lauderdale. And this is, this is no kidding, full contact. And, you know, you see Mayorkas is down there. We've got some videos, I guess, of some of these bad dudes that you've managed to capture as they're sort of coming in. Let's take a look at this. There you go, Venezuela. Guns tattooed on his face, which... Gangster. I mean, that doesn't look good. I suppose it could just be a fashion choice. But, you know, when we look at this, I'm hearing.

reports, I don't know if this is true, the news can be sensational, but some people are saying that there's potential that Venezuela is emptying prisons and sending them up into our country. Now, whether or not that's happening, and I don't know if you know that, but it could happen, right? It would be a good idea if you want to save money on, you know, spending on your own problem people, just go ahead and send them up through this open border. Who's going to stop them? Cuba style. You know what I mean?

A good person to talk with about this is Joseph Humeyer. In fact, he just flew in recently to Guatemala to meet with my team and brief for a couple days. He is very knowledgeable on Venezuela and other parts of the world around there. And he can talk your ear off. He's an incredibly intelligent man. And he can tell you about the Esbalah presence there and how they're made of structures in Central America and whatnot. You know, I was just up in Guatemala and Belize and El Salvador and Honduras looking at the same issues, right? In Panama, of course.

There is basically a four-lane highway coming up to the United States. It's not literally four-lane. Well, in some places it is. But I mean, but we are being invaded. So we've got this mainline injection coming through. If you can get your feet into South America, you can get to anywhere in the United States very quickly, right? Especially if you've got money and your Chinese and those sorts of ecosystems are very quick. Like the Chinese, they don't take the hard route through the Darien Gap.

There's many routes to the Darying Gap. If you've got money, it's just like a lot. a two-day vacation trip. Really? Literally like a, it's like some of those adventure vacations that I've taken in Nepal or something, right? I mean, it's really like fun.

What's the slowest way? I mean, when you talk about like that the time that it used to take, I mean, before this was paying attention to, if people were hiking, making their way, how long did that journey, as we understand it, right? We think of people in South America or something that are oppressed, they're coming here as refugees.

How long did that journey used to take through the Darien Gap, you know, Panama and up in America. What would the average time take? Previously, it would be in the months often. Months. For instance, just going through the dairy, seven, ten days if you're lucky.

Okay. That was a really tough trip. Huge death toll. Even, say, three years ago, Chuck Holton and I were down there, and we guessed that the death rate was probably 10%. How do they die?

What are they dying of? They die on the mountain of death, Montanidaoerta. Or they die on what's called the four crossings. They get killed by the Indians out there and the FARC on the other side and Columbia side. They die, they just disappear often, malaria, waterborne illnesses. Some literally get hypothermia.

You actually cross over the, well, the mountain of death is the continental divide, right? So they actually cross the continental divide coming in. It's not very high. It's like 4,000 feet or whatever. But you can get, I mean, a lot of them get hypothermia. You know, that jungle floor is quite cold, actually, if you're sleeping on it. So they're wet, they're sweaty. They don't, a lot of them, their feet are just completely ate up because they go to sleep with their boots on or their shoes on.

You should see their feet coming out. But the Chinese take a much easier route. They're more sophisticated. They've got their, for them, they come out clean, smiling. You know, they're like selfies, you know. And by the time they come over Yuma, they're really in good condition, the Chinese, because they're coming through their own organized Chinese system. Now we have images you have of the, actually these NGOs go around handing out rape kits

of these giant compounds. This is, you know, what's in this? What is, I mean, it's amazing to me, like here you might need this, here you go. What's in there? Yeah, that's IOM or OIM, and she's Venezuelan. And that's Masako Ganaha on the left. And Matt Tomlitt, somebody I'd go to the Darian with a lot. And so she gave us one of her raped kids.

She had already made it through. And that has female condoms, male condoms, the abortion pills, that flashlight, I accidentally dropped it and it shattered. I mean, it's probably made in China. But IOM hands these things out. And, you know, because so many women and children get raped out there. And that's the thing, too. like when we think about the humanitarian side.

I mean, I think part of this argument's been going on in America, which I think is starting to shift. It's starting to turn, which is, oh, you know, it's a humanitarian mission. We gotta allow these people in, you know, they're really, you know, being oppressed wherever they are, they're in danger. I spent some time at the border just last year,

and I'll say that when I was there, we went in the middle of night, and it was all after, and the busloads would show up. They would cross the border. At one point, it was all Congolese for the most part. And then there was another one that was more Middle Eastern. And I think, honestly, of all the people we saw, about four or five hundred come through

that night, I would say maybe three or four actually were making an asylum claim that I'm in danger. My government is trying to kill me, whether or not that's true or not. Everybody else was just like, I just want a job, I want American dream. and that's not what this is about. There's a reason, you know, and humanitarian-wise, they're all paying the cartels. I mean, and more and more reports, their cartels are making more money now of running our border than they ever used to make off of drugs.

Oh, I could go on for hours. I mean, for instance, every day there's flights from Africa that go through Istanbul, that go through Bogota, and then they come up. Now, if you fill out the CBP1 app, which is an app that many have on their telephone, just download it. then you can just fly straight from Colombia or Guatemala to the United States. Many of the people don't cross the border that way. They come in through Atlanta or Los Angeles or Houston or whatever, right?

And if you're in an airport and you see people with the IOM bag or OIM bag, you'll know they're probably in that ecosystem. A lot of them actually are coming up through the Canadian border. That's the border nobody really talks about, but that's a mass. It's the biggest border in the world. And so actually some of the Chinese we know now are taking boats up to Canada and coming through that way, right? So they're hitting us from every,

different direction like a hydro they're coming in on student visas work visas they're just sneaking over the border they're flying in on swift air flights 24-7 now you've been looking this for for many years and a lot of reporting now is that it's worse than it's ever been is that true do you feel like it's worse since ever been or are we just now suddenly paying attention to it it's objectively worse than it's ever been and i can tell you you know like last year when i sat in the same chair talking with you I didn't predict what was happening now. It was, I could, like in the Iraq and Afghan wars, a lot of people credited me with good prediction skills. And I'm like, actually, it was already happening.

You know, I'm just telling you what's already happening. Like, I'm telling you that they're building more infrastructure and they're adding more buses to the routes in Panama. So it looks like a prediction when I say more people are going to come when I'm like, well, I just saw them building the new camps and putting new buses in the routes. And the highest and the rest are bringing more people down, right? So, I mean, they're clearly, you know, the ecosystem down in Colombia and Ecuador and whatnot are being plused up. And so, yeah, it's not much of a prediction. It's kind of cheating. I know the answer in the back of the book.

Where's Panama out with this? I mean, I would think there must be money pouring in just from people coming in. They're coming from nations all around the world. Are they getting funding out of this? Is there a reason why they're allowing these gigantic camps to be set up as just a holding place for people that are trying to get to our country? Why would they even put up with it unless they're making money off of it? Oh, yeah, they make money. You make money every step of the way.

That's one of the things that IOM and USAID and the rest will do is they create sort of a business model, right? So they create a self-igniting. Like if IOM and the rest disappear right now, the routes are now open and they are now internally funded. There's an internal rate of return at this point, right? I mean, without any external funding going in, this machine is working, right? because every taxi driver, every hotel, every boat drivers, they all make money, right? And so a lot of the aliens coming through, like the Chinese, they are funding their own way. A lot of the others from places like Congo, they're being funded, and they'll tell you that at times.

They're like, I don't know who bought my airplane ticket. I don't know. But, yeah, some of the people, in fact, just with Chris Martinson and Brett Weinstein just a few weeks ago down there, I think the guys were from Congo, actually. And we've got it on video. And the guy was like, I don't know who bought the ticket, right? I was sitting right there with him at one of the camps. Actually, right next to where the guy was saying, you know, the Venezuelan gangster. So we're hearing, and I don't want to make this political.

I don't, this is not a political show, like who's in charge of what. But I do hear Joe Biden saying, I need funding that like as though he somehow wants to stop. This is nothing in my mind that sees any attempt to actually stop this. Myorcas, you have incredible photos. walking around a camp, seeing it. So this is my question. America, you would think we would be funding like how to stop, you know, this surge coming. And I think so many of us has been focused on like the border, whether or not we have a

wall or not. Do we fund the wall? Do we take down the wall? That's been the whole argument. You're talking about long before there's a wall, there's a whole funding system that is setting up this massive push towards our country. Is America funding that? Are we funding that earlier, like, you know, first stop, Panama.

Are we funding that? Oh, Brett Weinstein and Dr. Martinson, Ann Van der Steal, Masaco, Ganaughey, Chuck Colton. We were all just down there together looking at it again. I think if you have Brett on, he's going to have some things to say, because he saw it with his own eyes. And, you know, people ask me all the time, who's funding this? And I'll say the United States.

And they'll say, but yeah, but actually who's funding? I'll say, like America. You know, but who's actually behind it? I'm like, the United States of America is doing it full stop. We are the number one funder of IOM. Number two is Germany. Number three is Canada. I was just over it in El Salvador.

Let me read this quote. The WHP is a U.S. government-supported program that has operated since 2011. The State Department's Bureau of Population, Refugees, and Migration provides funding as a contribution to IOM to implement the program. U.S. Department of State is funding this, you know, this company that runs these camps and teaches people what they need to say for every stop along the way so that they have the smoothest trip straight through our border. More than 200 NGOs, IGOs and nonprofits. That might be 254 or something like that. And then there's all these, they're hard to track actually. It's like tracking water flows in the jungle. But there's a, but the main funder is the United States. I was just up in El Salvador and went to the Iowa. I always got.

to the IOM offices, right? And so there was an IOM office in El Salvador, and it's in the same building as the Canadian consulate. Now keep that in mind, as I tell you, just before that, we were in Honduras, went to the IOM office, and they're in the same building as the Canadian consulate or embassy in Honduras, right? Why? Canada is the number three funder of IOM. And in fact, Honduras just kicked Taiwan out, and now IOM is moving to the old Taiwanese embassy. And we went there as well. There was IOM cars coming and going. You know, we went over and talked with the, there's much more going on than, you know,

there's the energy routes. I mean, what we're really talking about here is Panama is one of the most vital pieces of terrain on earth, right? I mean, there's the Panama Canal, and then there's the Pan American Highway, and then just its location, right? And so one of the things that we're talking about is the intercontinental railway down in South America, the corridors that are coming up through Texas, you know, the I-64 corridor. I mean, we could go on for hours about this, but there's reasons why I go to these certain places, like why I took Jordan Peterson around Netherlands. It's, you know, it's about these energy routes and these what is that energy route? What do you mean by that? What is it? For instance, for instance,

actually, let's talk about just shipping. Like the Panama Canal, which opened in 1914, the United States, of course, finished or made it. And then you've got right, often I'll leave Panama and go to Netherlands. Now, you'll see a railway that goes all the way from Shanghai to Rotterdam, right? The biggest harbor in Europe, and it's one of the top ten in the world. And just south of Rotterdam is Antwerp, or the second largest harbor, right? Two of the top ten in the world. But that railway from Shanghai, I've been to that side of it, empties out at Rotterdam. And at Rotterdam, or in Netherlands, they're working on Tri-State City.

Tri-State City, we talked about a year ago, right? And now they've made a lot more progress in that one year. Tri-State City is this smart city they want to make with 30 million people that will have both of those harbors. And the Chinese railway goes right to it. A lot of this is about corridors, right? You'll see, for instance, RGV down in McAllen and Brownsville and whatnot. That is I-64 corridor. It comes right all the way down through Central America, through Darien.

They're building a bridge. And Darien, I just took Brett Weinstein to it. Yeah, what is that bridge for why make it, why build a bridge? Why, like, they're making it easier, faster to move. They're going to open up to Columbia. Now, when I talk with Panamanians about this, including government people, they're like, there's not any bridge being built down there. I'm like, you see the mud on my boots?

I was just down there hours ago, right? In fact, I just took Brett Weinstein down again and Dr. Martinson and the rest. And Ann Van der Steal made a video from the bridge they're building now. And it went viral. They translated it to Spanish, and the Panamanians were like, what? They're bridging dairy. Now, you know, the government says, no, they're just going out to this one village down there and whatnot. But they're clearly opening.

The Chinese have published a book, right? When they first, they published it in Spanish, I've got it in English. And they talk about how they're going to open the Dary and how it's going to connect with the biocyanic corridor down in South America. And what they're doing in Ecuador, what they're doing in all these different places, right? That's why I was just up in El Salvador are looking at a port that they're, you know, they're working on up there. And I mean, when I was in San Salvador, Chinese Communist Party is putting, I always go and look at museums. I look at archaeological warfare, which is very important.

And I look at their bookstores and their libraries, right? So it went to El Salvador. I'm looking at libraries. So Chinese Communist Party is putting in a library now, seven floors. I was just in it like a month or so ago. And it's got a big Chinese Communist Party flag, a big CCP flag out in the front in downtown El Salvador, or San Salvador, right? You see that flag? You see that emblem on the lower left that looks like sort of like a flower?

Yeah. That's China aid. That's like USA, but that's China aid, right? Wow. I was just over in our, that's the library actually. And, and, and, but I didn't take that photo. But anyway, but that, that, that, that, that, that, that emblem. I was just over in Armenia and Georgia looking at this as well.

And you'll see that little emblem all over the place in Armenia and Georgia. So let's get to, you're obviously there. I get it. You're watching these patterns. I want to get, sort of the question I was asked people, who is the day, what is the why. You're talking about China. You talk to the CCP.

Why are they, I mean, why are they pushing all these Chinese on purpose to leave their own continent, their country, to land here and push through illegally, not legally, to go into our country. They're planning the route, they're putting them there, they're making it easy, they're coming with money. I mean, you call it an invasion.

What is the plan? Why is this going on? Different groups have different ideas. Okay. China. What's their plan? China to take the United States, straight up. And for instance, they do a huge information.

Keep in mind, I've written three books on Chinese information more. Unfortunately, they're all in Japanese. They're not in England because I've been working to wake up Japan. But the bottom line is, for instance, when I was just down in Honduras, we went there specifically to look at this archaeological thing. So they've got Chinese archaeological teams down there trying to persuade the Mayans that you're our long-lost cousins, right? And so, and all these bad white people came in through.

took your land, right? So they do this all over. So you're really Chinese. Oh, yeah, they do it with them. They're convincing them that they're Chinese. Oh, straight up. And they do the same in Okinawa. So they came across the very, you know, the Great Barrington, you know, frozen, and that's the Native Americans and ultimately South Americans and everything. This is, and they come and pitch this story and say you're one of us. Straight up. And so, for instance, I was just, I was just on Rootan, the island in Honduras. First, we were on the mainland. And then we went to Rootan. And I was meeting with an interesting fellow. And I say, do you know any people? in the top levels of the Honduran government that's been to China recently.

And he said, yeah, actually, I know a general. He was the top general, actually. He was like their chairman of the Joint Chiefs. And he's been, he's of Chinese descent, so they invited him over. So I said, oh, that's interesting. Can we invite him to dinner tomorrow? And he's like, well, he's in Tugosigopo, which is like an hour flight away. And I said, can we fly him in?

So we flew him in the next day, we had dinner with him, right? And he talked, we talked for, I don't know, three, four hours. And he talked about how he was, his grandfather, I think, came over in 1924-ish. And so he's what they will call overseas Chinese. So they took him over to China six or seven times, showed him the graves of his family and had a parade. They always have a parade for him. I see this all over, right?

And so they had a parade for him. And now he is what they call an overseas Chinese, right? They're like, look how great he is. He was the top general of the, it's a very interesting guy. And I think a very smart man. But he's sympathetic, obviously, now to the plan and to move people through. They pull you in, right? They pull you in.

And so, for instance, I spent about a year. year running around China. It's quite an interesting place. But so in any case, he's what's called an overseas Chinese, right? So they do this all over the world, like in Thailand, Malaysia, or whatever. They get the people that are in key positions. They'll recruit influential children through their Confucius Institutes, one of which, or two of which, at least, are in Panama City, one of which is just near the IOM office. If you don't know at Confucius Institute, those guys are important, right? Okay. Whole different story. I've been fighting them for a lot.

11 years now. But the Confucius Institute, all right, let's go back from overseas Chinese to what they're doing with the information war. You'll see, for instance, in the United States, they're trying to persuade Chinese that, hey, we built all these roads to Yellowstone and all this stuff, right? You'll see actual Chinese ranger, forest ranger, saying, you know, hey, this is actually built by, I read a book about the intercontinental. Is it true? I mean, would you say it's true? There's probably is true to it. There probably is like the intercontinental railway. I read a book on that by Gordon Chang, not the Gordon Chang on my friend on Fox, but the other Gordon Chang. And in fact, I messaged to Gordon Chang. I was like, yeah, I just read your book. He goes,

that's the other Gordon Chang. I was like, well, anyway, he was an interesting book. But it was about how the Chinese were involved in building the intercontinental railway, right? And how the Irish and others built it from one direction and the Chinese from the other. But what they're trying to do is claim basically ownership. We did all these things. We are actually, all these indigenous people are actually descendants of the Chinese. When I was in Tibet, interestingly, I learned that they were trying to make a connection between Navajo and Tibetans, right? Like, hey, we have the same jewelry. Our faces look the same.

And they actually do to me. Yeah, I've seen some of that conversation. Okay. Why would America be funding this? And, you know, I look at the W.EF. I know the W.E.F is it the same? A lot of these funding bodies that are funding all of these things are also part of WEF. You just had the whole meeting in Davos.

They're telling everybody, everyone's going to be a renter. no one's going to own anything, you're going to be happy. Does that play in here somehow to this invasion of America? And ultimately, why would, this is what I always struggle with, is I don't care what party you're in. Why would anybody that gets the job to be leader of the free world as president of the United States want to support a global move to just wipe out our own borders? Like, what do you be like, I'm king of the world, man?

I got like America, why would you, what would be the motivation to destroy your border and weaken your own power, weaken the power of the United States of America? That's what I've never been able to put together. Why would you do that? Well, you know, when it comes to the paradigm that I used to look at the world, anytime I feel the emotion of surprise, I know my paradigm is off. And I can tell you're feeling that emotion. I'm surprised, right, right, yeah, yeah.

And I don't mean like surprise you wake up with a snake. in your bed. But, yeah, and also your paradigm should be really predictive, right? It's quite clear, by the way, that intergenerationally meet dog kings have been installed. Dog king is an old information war term from Sweden, Norway, where you would run off an enemy king and you would make a literal dog into a king, right? Give it a crown and a throne and have a translator and say, this is your king. And people are like, well, that's a dog.

It's like, well, it's your king, right? You'll do what the dog says, and the dog, this is its translator. And so the dog king, this is an old term, it's not used much anymore, but as somebody who studies information more, we run into this, our team does. Yeah. So, and so what this does is it demoralizes the subjects of the dog king, and it emboldens your enemies, right? So you can see Biden is a clear meat puppet. He's a dog king. You can see so many, Trudeau, he's a dog king, right? He's obviously not fit to be a barista, right?

And so we see this in many countries where these dog kings have been in soft. they'll do anything. Biden, obviously, even before he was in this mental state, was as corrupt as corrupt can possibly be, right? There's nothing that he won't do. It's clear. And so they have over space, Abbott is clearly a member of Weft, right? And so it's very easy to predict that what's happening in Eagle Pass, for instance, is nonsense, right? I spent a lot of time down in the Eagle Pass. You know, so we've got the- That's what's going on right now. Right. I mean, I would push back on that a little bit, but I mean, I'm not as deep in as you are.

I will say this about Abbott. And again, this isn't like a political show, but I would say that Abbott has pulled off one of the greatest media, you know, coups around this issue, which is by busing these people all around the country, I think you can give him, you know, make, you can say he's responsible for this change

in the polling around this, which is now everybody's concerned. So whether he's corrupt or not, I don't know, but I do know this, that move was briefed. And that move has got attention now. Finally, something you've worked at for so long, has gotten national, if not world attention by doing that, by saying this is all of you. It's not just my problem down here. I'm going to make it everybody's problem. I think that's pretty brilliant. I see it completely the opposite, actually. He's injecting them deeper into our system. He's clearing the banks of the Rio Grande and the camps that are more camps are being built in Texas, by the way. And he's, and he's clearing the banks and getting more in here, right? Clearly, the invasion continues.

Now, he could stop this. He could stop it with vehicle inspections. There's many ways. He has mechanisms that he could definitely put Mexico on its back foot, but he doesn't, right? For instance, right now, he just ran over to Mumbai, right? And why did he run to Mumbai specifically? By the way, as soon as I saw that he was in India, I thought, you know, he probably went to Mumbai.

And why did I think Mumbai? Because that fits the paradigm. Mumbai is the beginning of the new. new Indo-European corridor, right? The Indo-European, you know what I'm talking about, right? Yeah. The Indo-European corridor starts at Mumbai. And I think it's not a coincidence that he often goes to McCallon.

I was at Macaulan last year when he came and he was at the Hyatt Hotel, I think it was, and he was this close to me and he was, you know, out there talking. And people in Maca-I-I-Tacquil, and people are like, wow, he always comes down to McCallin. Well, he comes to McCown because that's part of the I-69 corridor that goes up to Detroit, where World Economic Forum has another. headquarters in Detroit. You know, they're clearly making a move for the Great Lakes. But anyway, World Economic Forum and CCP, you asked that question, the Chinese Communist Party, right?

They are co-sanguinated. They cooperate closely. Now, my team and I have looked at this a lot for the last couple of years. Who's Zoom and who? Who's in charge? One partner's dominant over the other. I think, I'm unclear about this, but I think that the Chinese Communist Party is the dominant partner. It's unclear. They both know they're going to fight. You're saying partners being America or China. You feel like China's dominated? economic forum is not America. These are like, W.E.F. and China. Is that what you're saying are the two partners? Yeah. Okay.

Because, you know, they have annual meetings in China as well, right? And you'll see the Chinese always at divos and whatnot. And so anyway, but you got to keep in mind they have different end goals. For instance, when I was in Hong Kong, you know, at that 2019, 20, before they finally sort of took Hong Kong. Yeah. There were Chinese signs everywhere. I mentioned this last year when we were together. And I asked many Chinese, I'll often, I often ask the same question over and over. Why do you call them Chinese? And they're like, well, because fascism is when government and business are just

entwined and you can't tell them apart. And then you just add a huge racial component. And they're like, you know, the Han Chinese of the Chinese Communist Party are incredibly racist. And they are. I've spent about a year running around China. It's over the top. And the Chinese Communist Party is crystal clear that they want to make the world

genetically Chinese. They don't hide it. They say it. They write it. They say it in speeches and books. What do you think is the answer? What's the takeaway for people watching right now? What can we do to make a difference on this issue? And, you know, we're a nation of diversity, right? I mean, that's what makes us great. We've all ultimately, you know, come from, you know, every corner of the earth. And that diversity is what makes us powerful. It's what makes us unique. We have every religion represented, every race. But, you know, we have to have rules. We have to have a border or then, you know, what are we? Are we, you know.

So how do we get to? What do we need to do right now? Well, I think a lot of people don't realize we are actually in a war and that's not an overstatement. It's a clear war. It's a hybrid war. The issues that you cover with pharma constantly are a huge component. I mean, obviously those have been devastating already and you know better than anybody how this is that trajectory is quite concerning to put it mildly and then there's the

demographic war which is intense economic war of course and then there's a one thing you know I warned about a couple of years ago when the Panama Canal has problems watch your watch the Sue as and magically it is now right and you know the Panama Canal has obvious problems now for water issues and whatnot and and these the the global shipping is taking a big hit this is a big deal. Whole separate topic, but it's related to the larger hybrid war that's unfolding. I, you know, as a war correspondent and somebody who studied war for many years and many wars and conflicts, I don't see how this ends with anything less than huge bloodshed. Because this is the reason

I've spent most of my life overseas out of the United States, right? Even though my English is fluent and I'm American hardcore, but I'm mostly downrange. I'm mostly in the countries these people come from, right? Almost 100 countries that I've been to now, right? And so what I'm seeing is some fish don't mix well in the same aquarium. Diversity can be very important. It can also be, it can also be a shot in the heart, right? For instance, now we have many, what I call anthro insula, human islands forming. For instance, we used to have that in Germany with Germans, of course, New Brownfields and whatnot. They would just, you know, charter ships and move the whole village over and they you know of course they would speak German and stay German up until

World War I and World War II it became unfashionable to speak German but what I'm getting to when you come over with enough people in your various ecosystems your anthroinsula to create little balkanization actually it will be end up being the end of your country certainly a country like the United States I was just down in Belize and I and I looked for the Mennonites actually and because I wanted to talk with them about different things and of course they're still speak in NATO Deutsch, you know, low German, and very interesting people. But you'll see these, one of the things that creates an anthroinsula is when you, in other words, like a spot of oil in the water, is whether or not that culture will marry into the other culture, right? And for

instance, the Mennonites don't marry in much, as you can imagine. And that's what we have a lot. Now, we have big huge groups of Somalis, big huge groups of this, that, and the other. You know, who's who in the zoo. And on the fish chart of, you know, which cultures mixed together, let's say Filipinos are green, green, green, green, amber with other Filipinos, green, green, Filipinos get along with everybody. Chechens are red, red, red, red, amber with other Chechens. So keep in mind, again, I spend, I'm usually the Zeno. I'm usually the one, sometimes the only white man I see for like a month is when I shave occasionally, right? And so I'm usually out there alone in China or someplace, right? So I, you know, I see a lot of

different cultures, and I see how they interact with each other, for instance, Kurds. I get along great with Kurds, whether I'm up with them in northern Iraq or whatever, or Kurdistan, as they would call it. But, you know, the Kurds, when they go, for instance, in Japan recently, Kurds will go, when you have Kurds and Turks together or Kurds and Arabs, they're going to fight. I mean, you've got these, or Kurds and Kurds. So the Kurds just had a big knockdown drag out recently in Japan. It was Kurd on Kurd. And then the injured went to the hospital, and the Kurds showed up to the hospital, and they're fighting each of. other at the hospital. The Japanese were like, what's going on? I'm like, well, that's how

Kurds roll. And you've welcomed them into Japan, and now you're going to have to deal with it. I mean, bottom line. Wow. Well, obviously, I think that one of the things that, at least around this topic, the one thing that gives me hope is that we need to sort of start uniting as Americans. We've got to start coming together. The pressures on this country and the pressures on this dream, this dream of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness are real. They're coming from border issues. They're coming from AI technology, central banking, digital currencies. All of these things we talk about in our show are very, very pressing issues that could rob us

literally overnight of any concept of freedom, where we're actually free to drive where we want, talk to who we want, say what we want, gather with who we want. I think that issues like this, it feels like this country is all starting to at least someplace saying, you know what, I think we have some common ground in this issue. I think around the pharmaceutical industry and, you know, faith in experts. We're starting to, as was he said today, you know, 58% are now saying, I don't think you just trust these people, think you have to do your own homework. It feels like this pressure is making us wake up in a lot of ways.

Are we going to wake up in time? Well, I know this will be very unpopular, but we're going to need mass deportations if we're going to stay together. And again, I spend most of my time downrange in these other countries, and I've been in a lot of wars and a lot of conflicts, and I see what's coming. That's why I returned to the United States in 2020, because I can see, you know, I feel like an oncologist who has treated cancer for years and years. And suddenly you walk into the room, I don't need the x-rays, I can smell it, right? And I can smell war coming here. It clearly is. And it's intentional.

It's a hybrid war. You can see the demographic war that's unfolding is this is the same as happening in Europe. They're a little bit more advanced stages than we are. You can see, for instance, Tri-State City. The Netherlands and others are taking the farms away. Right now, as we say, you've got, you know, the parliament and the EU surrounded right now by farmers that have just had it, you know, going after, you know, a way of life and going after a food supply. Well, I mean, you know, you're not alone. I've had other people that have sat here and, you know, many predictions.

20-24s is, you know, a lot of people predicted this is that we're on the verge of a civil war here in America. I pray that that's not true. I pray that you're wrong. I pray that you're wrong. I pray that you're wrong. Because I've been in civil wars and it's about the ugliest thing except for famine. Yeah. The civil wars are absolutely don't want any part of it.

That's why I came back doing anything I could to derail it a verge of. it, you know, stop it, slow it down, but in fact it's picking up steam because people are not recognizing who's actually doing this. For instance, the United States is invading itself because they have been captured by world economic form. And again, they are co-seguenated with the Chinese Communist Party, right? I do believe, I think, I'm unclear, actually, I'm unsure, but I think the dominant party in that is the CCP over Wef.

They will fight each other eventually, though, because they have different in-state goals. They have short-term and intermediate goals that are overlap quite a lot. For instance, destabilizing, you know, taking Panama, taking all of Central America. When you go up through, I've been to every country in Central America, from Canada to Columbia, inclusively, right? I've looked at this in great detail. You can see where bit by bit they are setting, listen, most of the war, when you're going up against sophisticated enemies, most of the war is fought before the first shot is fired. It's setting the table.

Amateurs are always talking about. about sparks. What will the sparks be on? It's not about sparks. It's about conditions. It's about setting conditions and they have been setting demographic conditions, economic conditions, pharmacological conditions. I mean, I don't know where this vaccine ends up, but you can clearly see it's damaging our military. It's causing a lot of the most serious people to get out. Look what it's doing to our airlines industry. Anyway, I don't need, you're the last person on the world. Well, look, I'll just say this, Michael, you're one of these interviews that

It's like I just feel like I just got through the introduction to a giant book. We'll have to have you on again soon, but thank you for bringing some perspective. This Darien Gap thing is very disturbing. The fact that our own country is fast-tracking people from all around the world. I don't know how we would ever stop terrorists. In fact, it doesn't look like we care. And so huge questions around why this is happening, but I hope you'll continue to keep us informed as you have. and I look forward the next time you come in.

Please come to Darien with me. Okay. You'll see it. All right, sounds good. All right, look forward to it. Thank you, Michael. Thank you.