The Highwire with Del Bigtree - BREAKING THROUGH: SHANNON JOY

Episode Date: April 28, 2024

Journalist and show host, Shannon Joy, made waves in 2021 when she was arrested at her child’s school board meeting in Rochester, NY for “improper masking”. Hear how she went from local activist to a freedom fighting podcast sensation in an ocean of deceptive mainstream news.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-highwire-with-del-bigtree--3620606/support.

I was behind the scenes. I was, you know, working as a producer on the CBS talks of the doctors before I got involved with the documentary vaxed. And then the success of that ended up throwing me into the limelight where I was in front of the cameras really for the first time, at least since I was a kid and doing some acting as a kid. And then one day someone, you know, I was on someone else's podcast in Hollywood. And the owner of the podcast studio walked up to me and said, you know what, you should do your own podcast, Della. I think it'd be great. He literally didn't let me out.

He's like, oh, thank you very much. Appreciate it. Tony, you know, thank you for that recommendation. But he said, no, no, I want you to grab a slot. I'm going to make it really affordable for you. I'll handle most of the cost. You should try this out. The high wire is born that week.

I pointed it at Thursday at 11 o'clock, and the rest, as they say, is history. It's wild the things that throw us in the limelight and change our lives forever. Usually when I talk to people, those life-changing moments happen because suddenly you just state, I've had enough, and I'm going to tell the truth. I'm going to tell the truth as I see it. I'm done playing games, and though some doors do get closed, even bigger ones open up. That's the story of Shannon Joy. What threw her into the limelight was just a little incident at a school-born hearing

that a lot of people in the news want to talk about. Take a look at this. A local radio host is speaking out about an alleged incident. Let's get to issue two arrested for telling the truth. Governor DeSantis, I was arrested at a school board meeting for my mask slipping beneath my nose. You show up at the meeting and you're there doing your part as a mom listening. And let's just show, we're going to show the first video where someone's irritated that the mask is not, they can see nostril, I guess. I don't watch, watch and listen.

Can I have my surprise, we're going to make a move for a recess for 15 minutes? Why? Because the people are still refusing to our mess, unfortunately. Nobody is. We have places to be, Mary, okay, and other things to do. You can't just stop a meeting. Can I get a second to that person? This is unbelievable.

This is not leadership. You ask us to be respectful of you, and you can't respect the taxpayers and citizens. Mary Caitlin writes emails. This is silly. This is silly. You could have prevented it by being a grown-up and doing what you're supposed to do. I've got my mask on me. It's 95 degrees though.

When they called the recess, I got this sinking feeling that they were going to arrest. They wanted to make an example out of me so that other parents would never stand up and speak out. On that date, I was arrested and I was charged. and I was charged with trespass. Today we are going into court and I will either be arranged. If so, I will plead not guilty or the case will be thrown out. And I think either way, coming out of this courtroom will be a win because we will continue to fight for the voices of parents.

It's gone. It's gone. Thank you so much in the DA's office. Thank you. to dismay us and today these are with parents, they've been with free speech. This has been happening all over the country, and I hope that this serves as a signal to school boards who seek to bully parents in the future and suppress their rights and free speech on behalf of their children. So guys, thank you.

Obviously, one of our favorite things to do on the highway is celebrate those people that step up into truth, standing for medical freedom, no matter what's my honor and pleasure to be joined. right now by podcast sensation, Shannon Joy. Thank you so much, Del. I'm so glad to be here. It's really good to have you here. And I remember when all this was breaking in the news.

But just to sort of give me a recap, what was the, I mean, there was a lot of school board hearings that have happened, but what was this one specifically about? Well, we had been advocating and activating in New York for 12 months. As you know, New York was one of the worst lockdown states in the world. And so it was a major effort, an enormous amount of community organization and work to get the schools open even part-time. And so when we got them open part-time, it was another heavy lift to get them open five days, full day. And so that took the building of organizations across Monroe County, which was the county that I lived in, and in my own local school district.

So we had built email lists of over a thousand parents. We were bringing 50 to 100 parents to school board meetings every week. And the last step was to get those masks off the children's faces. So you had them in school at this point. Obviously, everyone's on a first name basis. Mary, come on. We all know each other. Right.

And that's what's so weird about these is that it's actually just another parent, right? It's gotten on the school board and they're just asserting this authority. I know you just watched our previous segment. you know, in Scotland, but it's really not that much better here. If you can sit in a school board meeting, talk about masks, and then some parent can just say, call the police, I want them arrested. We actually have the footage that you shot while you're being arrested. Take a look at this.

We all came here to hear public comment. The school board staffed the meeting. They limited it to 10 individuals, and they stacked it with pro-mask individuals. So they kicked out all of us who were anti-mask. And here come the cops. And so I'm just going to ask, hi, hi, how are you? My name is Shannon, nice to meet you.

Thank you for coming out. I know you don't want to be here today. So there are about 20 pro-maskers here who are applauding the cops here, who are now going to, I suppose, arrest us for. Okay. So they have their hands on me now. And I guess this is the way it is now. I can't believe this is happening.

Guys, these are the officers. Okay. Um, Monroe County sheriffs. And I can't believe this is happening. I really, they're good, oh now. They're going to, they've seized my phone. They've seized my phone. I can't.

So what is my crime? What is my crime? Unbelievable. Unbelievable. Unbelievable. There's a lot about that that's amazing. And I don't think, you know, I've done some reporting. It's actually hard to sort of stand up and go in.

I know people think I do that all. the time, but, you know, it's very rare that I would sort of stand, confront police, certainly. But what I think makes it really unique is you're surrounded by all of these peers, people, you know, parents that are applauding you being arrested as you're being dragged out. I mean, it's those things that, I mean, I'm sorry. I know we get in trouble when we do it, but it just, I reflect on Nazi Germany, right? I reflect on being turned in by our neighbors for what? for a product that you and I knew then, no, now all science backs us up, doesn't even do the job that it said to do this.

It was just straight up a compliance test. Yeah. What did it feel like in that moment, though? Was there, what inspired you? Did you go there thinking this was going to happen? Like, how do you prepare to stand your ground in that moment the way you did? It's interesting you asked that question because the meeting before that, right like like where did i find that um in me to to confront law enforcement the the meeting before

that one um there was a bus driver that spoke up and we were bringing as i mentioned to you 50 to 100 people to every meeting we were gaining a lot of ground and um it was in the summer um The school bus driver stood up and spoke for about five minutes, weeping to the school board and to the entire community. And it was online as well and said, you know, talked about a story of a young five-year-old girl on a hot summer day driving home on the bus and wearing her mask. And this little girl was not feeling well. And it was hot. And she vomited in her mask on the bus. and the bus driver told her, you can take your mask off.

You can take your mask off. And that little five-year-old girl was so terrified to take her mask off that she sat for 20 minutes on that bus in a mask full of vomit before she would take it off. And that was the meeting before the meeting that I was arrested at. We were that, I mean, there was not a dry eye in that room. The board knew that what they were doing to the children was wrong. They knew that it was harming children. And I think that's why they laid that trap for me at that time.

That's why they didn't want any more public comment. They wanted to make a mockery of what we were doing, and they wanted to teach other parents that lesson. If you stand up and speak out, this is what we're going to do to you. And so when I decided to FaceTime live my arrest, I was taking back that power. I know they wanted to tell that story. They had news out there ready to go to tell the story of my embarrassment

and being arrested and handcuffed. And I decided in that moment, if this is going to happen, I'm going to take back this power for parents, and I'm going to tell the story in my way. And that's why I did the FaceTime live. But it was for the kids. It's always been for the kids. Yeah. It's my kids too. How many people were in support?

I mean, somebody else obviously started finding a camera when they took yours away. So how many people were there sort of in that sort of support group? So it was slightly misleading because the camera that picked up the camera. applause was right by a group of people who were brought to that meeting for the express purpose of heckling and they had been regulars at the meetings before. The majority of the room was utterly silent and appalled. There were some loud mouths that were brought in, right? That were rabid pro-maskers and pro-lockdowners and pro-vaxxers. And we know all of those people. And that, you know, that was their role. And so unfortunately in the video it sounds like,

like the whole room was clapping, but it was not like that at all. In fact, when people stood up after and comment, people were very, very concerned about what had happened. And ultimately, as you can see, I was, I was vindicated. Parents were vindicated. The court case was thrown out. And, you know, it was one step in the right direction. But New York State is the belly of the beast for a lot of these things. So let's get in that a little bit. Because, I mean, I think one of the things people think, well, you stood up, you had that moment. It's sort of launched you into, you know, probably a new career that you hadn't seen coming. Lots of people tuning into, you know, your perspective.

But what's it like? You still have children in school, right? You still have to go back to school board meetings. Oh, yeah. You're still standing side by side with the people that had you arrested, those that were clapping while you were arrested. What are those relationships like now? How do you handle those people now when you run into them? And is anyone apologizing?

So I've never received an apology. The judge did throw the case out, so that was vindication. It's really interesting. I mean, it goes to show how evil and wrong the COVID-era lockdowns and policies were and how it divided. families, it divided communities, it divided, you know, friends. And, you know, that's what happened in our community. It was the stand that I was taking, let me tell you, I mean, I raged against lockdowns from the very beginning. I had a platform. I was on AM talk radio at the time. So I was

well known in my community. And everything about it, just my spirit just raged against it, because I knew that this was wrong, right? And, you know, what's so interesting is that my kids are still in the same school district. They have amazing teachers in the school district. I'll have sentries come up to me or teachers when I call into the school in the administration. Shannon, we've got your back. We're so thankful for the things that you've done. The administrators are bad.

You know, they put these policies in place and they did so recklessly when they didn't have to. but I even see the superintendent, you know, at games, and I'm like, hey, Brad, how are, you know? And the kids, the kids are resilient. My kids were in high school. They were mortified when it happened, but they have become resilient as a result of this. And I said to them the day after, I'm like, sorry, mommy got arrested at the school board. I'm like, I promise one day you'll laugh at this. We'll laugh about this.

And today we laugh about it all the time. So I want this, you know, part of me does this because I want other parents to see you can stand up at school board meetings. And yeah, there are consequences. You might lose some friendships. You might get some funny looks. You might even be arrested at a school board meeting. But you'll be okay. And if parents did this and if citizens in the U.S. did this all over the country from the local level when bad things are happening,

when our federal government or the World Health Organization or any big business, governing body comes in and tries to do things that our spirit rages against or our constitution or the founding of our country. It is our job to stand up and to speak out and to try to stop that in our community. And if even 10% of the communities did that, this country would turn around. I fully believe that. I totally agree with you. And I, you know, I think that I say a lot of times when I'm out on, you know, speaking live, you know, people will come up. I'm praying for you. Thank you for your sacrifice. And as though like I'm on some sort of pedestal. And I just say, well, please take me off the pedestal and just realize I'm standing

with you and I need you to do the same thing. Everyone needs to speak out. You know, if you're just thinking, wow, go get them, Del, like, what am I going to do? Yeah. Right. What am I going to do by myself? I said before, if I'm the only one standing on this stage, then nothing is going to change. We've got to start building a body like, you know, of humanity, especially in this country, especially in the United States of America that's founded on this principle of being able to speak freely and and to and the ability to me look at how attached our founding father's word to those things you need to be able to say whatever you think about the government you need to be all assemble and have those statements and have those conversations with each other freely

without being shut down you need to have a press that can say whatever it wants whenever it wants and distribute that information wrong or right to whoever wants to read it i mean these this is literally the very first amendment of the united states of a very Right, really basic stuff. Yeah. And yet, I would say almost every topic we've covered here today shows that that very way of life is completely under assault. Now, I know because of, you know, this moment, you know, you had a background in media. You two have found the internet.

You've got a show. You're, you know, interviewing all sorts of experts and specialists. When you look at sort of the things that I was talking about today, when we look at, we got, we're on. I would think, I mean, we just reported that we're about to, you know, go ahead and push NATO into Ukraine, which has been known as the trigger for a potential third war since like I was a kid. Yeah. Third World War. We got that on the precipice. We have this transgender issue that is happening in schools.

It looks like that. Maybe shifting and some awareness coming around. This AI thing, FISA courts, censorship, the ability to, you know, to break down our door and arrest us. Of those things, you know, as a mother, as a parent, is there one that sort of stands out as the probably most existential threat? I know I was pretty heavy on AI. I felt like everything I'm doing, what difference does medical freedom make if computers are now the authorities of the world that I live in?

But what do you think stands out? I think AI is obviously concerning the threat of World War III and nuclear war is concerning. the collapse of our economy is concerned. Medical freedom, the idea that we still haven't even had a reckoning regarding what happened in 2020 or 2021. It's the ultimate gaslight that we're in an election year and both major political parties won't even touch it, which is, you know, insult upon injury.

Yeah. So I think all of it together. I mean, that's so fascinating because you're right. We haven't had a reckoning. No. We haven't had a, like, come to Jesus moment. Can we all admit wrong or right what happened here? We were told we needed to lock down.

Now we were told that the virus, I mean, the biggest one to me, the virus only had a death rate of 0.35%, which puts it right smack in a, you know, a bad flu season. So can we all just at least, at the very least, say this was a massive overreaction? Yes, elderly took that number in much higher numbers. And maybe we could have handled that better. your top liberals and states across America like Cuomo literally made it illegal to protect, you know, retirement communities where he forced people that were sick to be allowed into those communities.

So that didn't. Like, where is, where is this reckoning? And how are we going to reunite our communities under these circumstances? Well, I think, you know, what I'm really advocating for my audience, my mission over the next seven months, I see the medical freedom community so that you are a part of, right? Brownstone Institute and Children's Health Defense and I can. And all of these people who saw COVID for what it was early and stood up against it, this is a large community.

It's a very diverse community, Republican, Democrat, old, young, every socioeconomic genre you can imagine. And political years always have a way of absolutely oblivious. alliterating liberty movements. It's not just in the U.S. as well. In Canada, the Netherlands, in Japan, they just had 150,000 people turn out in opposition to the World Health Organization amendments that are going to be voted on in May.

You have rolling protests throughout Europe, in the Netherlands. And so there is enough of humanity awake right now, but we have to push through this election season here in the U.S. allow ourselves to be distracted by the circus side show that is going to happen. And I tell my audience, listen, on November 5th, vote for who you vote your conscience. But within the medical freedom community, we have to keep the movement alive, regardless of what happens in November. Because it's the bottom-up organization. It's the grassroots organization and the local organization that I think will be the contributing factor to changing things. The politics always

follows the culture. And we are right at the precipice of the next new cultural, I think, revolution. And I hope that it's for liberty, but we're fighting it right now. You know, we're fighting that battle right now. And so my mission is to keep this medical freedom community together as much as I can or as much as we can and then grow it. Because it's the medical freedom movement is the liberty movement worldwide globally. It's the difference between being slaves in the 21st century, and we can talk about all the things that you just mentioned, right? The AI, the transhumanism, the transgenderism, global war, the erasure of our borders, our language and our culture, the erasure of national sovereignty, individual sovereignty. All of that is on the

table right now. And so we need to understand that the power is from the bottom up. people can exercise their power in their own communities. And still vote because voting is important. You put that in a way that I hadn't really thought about because I hadn't thought about how you would think politics or a political year would be good for movements, but you're right, it really in many ways tends to destroy a movement. And I suppose thinking out loud, part of that is we're united around.

We all see what the problem is. Like we'll stand in March, those of us that are getting it. I don't want to be locked down. I want to be, you know, but then when it comes to the moment where we have to now agree on a solution. Right. That's, right? All bets are off. Right.

All bets are off. Like, how do we get out of this? We can all recognize the problem. That's easy. Yeah, let's stop it. Anyone want to take a crack at, you know, how? Yeah. How about, you know, I'll run for blah, blah, blah.

Right. Do you know what he's done? Do you know what he said about? I mean, and just we're off and politics gets ugly. And then slowly we're arguing over the person, the solution. and the whole thing versus staying focused on what really matters. Because you're talking about medical freedom. These other topics, like the high wire, we're starting to really diversify.

People are like, you know, where is it going? We are starting to talk about Putin and World War. And we thought about it. Like, how do we talk about it? Is that medical freedom? Is that all that the highway represents? And we sort of went to our mission statement, you know, dedicated to eradicating man-made disease. Well, certainly nuclear fallout would have, you know,

a set of diseases that we wouldn't want to deal with. But how are you, how do you think the medical freedom movement is connecting these dots? You keep using this word liberty. Is it the heart of the liberty movement, or was it the thing that really gave the liberty movement something to focus on? You know, how do you see that? I became aware of the medical freedom movement about four years prior to 2020. So on my show, I was using your work and the work that you got. I mean, so we've been, I've been reporting on this and in the vaccine genre. I believe that my kids were vaccine injured. That's how most parents get into this discussion, right? So I think that the, that movement is based on, I mean, the ultimate expression of, I mean, the ultimate expression

of liberty is bodily body sovereignty, right? Like, if the government can force you to be injected against your will, careers you to be injected against your will, or undergo any medical intervention against your will, or quarantine you against your will, then everything else is off the table. It's over. Right. Right.

There's, who cares about the border or taxation or any of the social economic issues that we talk about, we argue about politics. So that's been on the table. I mean, we know back into the 19, you know, late 80s and 90s that pharma has been expanding their power, capturing federal government and the agencies. And so I think that this is just metastasized over the past 40 years. And we're now at the crescendo.

And COVID was the moment when we actually, the mask came off and we actually witnessed, especially people who lived in New York or California or Italy, witnessed the full-scale martial law power of the federal government or the global government to propagandize, indoctrinate, lock us down, arrest us at school board meetings. And so I think that had the effect of waking people up who were close to that, but they weren't where we were, right? And so, yes, the liberty movement is all wrapped in your right, your natural, God-given natural right, to think what you want to think and say what you want to say and live the life the way that you want to live it.

It's all wrapped up in our Constitution. I mean, it's all right there. And in the spirit of the Declaration of Independence, which if you were to look at the Declaration, compared to what the government is doing to us right now, we should be revolting. We should be doing what Netherlands is doing. But in the U.S., the resistance is tempered because we're so divided politically, right? Yeah. So we're so afraid of the other team that we continue to elect these leaders that are actually on the same team.

Right, right. Both political parties. And then we just, it's a power-sharing arrangement that we go back and forth every four years. And we shuffle off to the voting booth. And we reelect the same people. They've amassed way too much power. The vision of this country was a bottom-up country. It was governed by the people.

That's rotary. That's local government. That's your municipality and the states. So I see the answer. There are no answers, right? Because you fight over that. But would probably be a devolution or devolution of power from the central government and really just going back to the states.

And it's going to be messy. and, you know, to your point with, like, the packages that you guys ran on the AI is absolutely terrifying. And, you know, the push for the transgenderism. But I think that the consumer has an enormous amount of power. And as we begin to have conversations about AI, the consumer is going to decide whether they want that or not, right? Humans have an amazing ability to survive advances in technology. And so, you know, you just look at the uptake of vaccines right now. COVID-19 vaccines, single digits.

It was never supposed to be like that. We were all supposed to be getting jabbed. Yet somehow, through all the propaganda, the majority, like the vast majority of the American people were like, we don't want those anymore. And they're not taking them. You look at the boycotts of Bud Light and Target over that issue of transgenderism. Very quiet but powerful. consumer decision is happening there. And people aren't talking about it because they don't want to be called a, you know,

a bigot or a homophobic or a transphobe, but with their dollars and with their feet, they're walking. So I think our, you know, the American population is ready. But we've got to erase the very divisive two-party political labels and make it about constitution, liberty, freedom, and all of those founding principles that, you know, I tell you most Americans can agree on. I, you know, I've said it before. When I look at the United States of America, I really question if we're being governed from within the side of our borders now. I mean, when I, you know, I remember I played a video early on with the build back

better statement, you know, and the great reset. And I remember my team was putting it all together. And I knew all these people were saying build back better. But when I saw the video at the end that Joe Biden said it like while campaigning. And it came from Klaus Schwab in a globalist international consortium, not from a slogan about being American. That was a moment. I felt like we turned a corner. And now we have got to be very conscious of whether or not the leaders that we're looking.

And I'm not trying to be political here. I'm not telling anyone who to vote for, but all of them. We should look at all of them. You know, are they globalists? Do they believe, you know, that there should be? be no borders. Do they believe that anyone should just be able to rush across our border as we're seeing right now? And amazing, amazing that you can watch the same administrations that are fighting to, you know, have FISA, you know, court ability to just search my home at any moment to be able to

track my cell phones, which is part of what we know they're doing, all say to protect against terrorism or domestic terrorists while people from the Middle East, Africa, you know, you're Europe, China are just flooding across our border without being tracked at all. Yep. Right? That hypocrisy are flooding across our border without being vaccinated at all for what it's worth. I rarely get in that conversation because I'm never going to fight to vaccinate, you know, immigrants because it would be absurdly against what I believe in.

But the fact that my kids are being forced that they want to go to school, but you can just walk in this country from another country. We're not even going to look at it. That level of hypocrisy. But my question is. is it just seems so obvious now, right? It seems we're so obviously off track. Is it happening just to make us fight each other? I mean, are these topics, transgender, are they just, you know, designed to, like, jab me?

And then I want, and this is really a question I want to ask you in media, is that are we doing exactly what they want us to do? By showing people these things and getting you extents and getting you hyper- afraid, afraid. Right, yeah. we're just playing into the goal, which is get everyone afraid, get everyone confused, running around with their hair on fire, scared of everything around them. And then we can just dictate what we want.

That's something I wrestle with all the time on my show, right? Because there are existential problems that we are dealing with today. And they are very scary things, right? And so, you know, I decided during COVID that I just wasn't going to be afraid. It was just basically a decision. Right. And that my platform and my show, I was never going to leave my audience afraid, ever. Yeah.

So you want to address these problems, and you can't sugarcoat them. You have to slap them on the kitchen table, address them, but never be afraid of them. And so that's why I always try to move people towards, I've always been looking for solutions, right? And I was the same as everyone else. I was in my own political camp for the majority of my life, and then I started paying attention. What I realize is that you can't put all of your hope into that political basket. Because from my perspective, I don't even know that either of the two-party political candidates have agency.

Or if they are being told with a deal. Right. And so I think that D.C. has become so corrupted that, you know, We really have to do business with the fact. I mean, you know, I think it's becoming obvious to a lot of people that the decisions are made. Well, let me just put up, you know, as said you beforehand, we're a nonprofit. I'm not choosing sides on anything. But, you know, when I look at Donald Trump, right, to me, I think we could all agree is probably the most radical sort of outsider that's taken office.

And, you know, when you watch someone like that, to your point, just the things that just trigger in me, when we watch him go in and say he doesn't care about any of the system. Clearly it's kind of mayhem in there, but people, there are people that love that, people that are terrified of it. But whatever the case, like I think it's about things like had he like really focused on China and the Wuhan lab, which he was suspicious of, why didn't he really just nail that to the wall? It seemed like I think it came from there.

I'm going to put my own people. I'm not buying into this. We're going to go ahead and investigate that. Why didn't that happen? It would have played so well into his messaging. Call it nationalist, call it, you know, racist or whatever you want to call it. Yeah. That was right there for the, like, the picking.

And he probably would have been right had he gotten in there because now we know actually does look like it did sort of come out of that Wuhan lab. Or, you know, when I look at hydroxychloroquine and we looked at he used it, why did he let go of fighting for it, you know, things like that. Great question. when you could have really decimated Fauci with that. Or simply, he said, when I get in office, I'm going to release the JFK files, which is something that, I mean, every one of us wants to know. Yep. Right?

Like, what is it that you're possibly hiding? He goes in and then doesn't do it. And I'm not meaning this as any mark. I'm saying, I sent a guy that looked to me to not care what the system thinks and to your point goes in and it doesn't look like much can be done there. Why are those things not happening? And look, Donald, if you're out there, come and sit in this seat, I really would love to have this conversation and know why that you had didn't sort of follow through in the places that could seem like wood. But we just imagine is this thing just such a behemoth. It's unstoppable.

There's nothing you can do. That is the tragedy of this election season. And that's my second goal with my show is to shove this issue of 2020 and 2021 into the political arena. I want to hear from Donald Trump as to why he did those things. And I think as the American people and as the electorate, we deserve to have those questions answered along with Biden. Yeah. Right? So what we have here is we have the worst atrocities committed against American citizens in the history of the family of this country.

Well, let me throw in there just because I think, I mean, just to be fair, Robert Kennedy Jr., Biden, Donald Trump are up there. Jill Stein, if you can get enough votes. I mean, just want to be clear, not choosing sides. We should have real debates. We should see these people being asked the hard questions. Why did you make the decision if you were there or what decision would you make in the future? And instead, we seem to be avoiding that entire debating system right now. Not on my watch.

I mean, I'm doing the best I can on my show every day to, like, shove it back into the fore. But there were only two candidates that had the power of the executive office during the atrocities of COVID-19. Trump initiated it, initiated Operation Warp Speed, put Fauci in control of everything. In fact, even in 2018 and 19 laid the groundwork by lifting the ban on gain of function research that was put place by the Obama administration. He also formed SISA via executive order. That was in 2019, I believe, during the Trump.

I could be wrong on that. But it was prior to COVID, right? So Trump initiated everything and then Biden continued it and doubled and tripled down. So this is the best example that people have of a uniparty system. I mean, I always think about... They're in concert. Biden mandated a Donald Trump product. Yes.

Like, I mean, just to say, are we really that far apart? And why not the record? You are not going to be able to go into your job unless you take the product of the man I said is evil, had his cronies make for him in rush speed. Now you all have to get it. So you are. You're just like, what is going on? Well, there are liberals on the record saying when Trump was initiating Operation Warps speed,

I will never take any vaccine that ever came, you know, and then fast forward once the Democrat president is in there. Right. So that's like the heart of what I'm saying about the political divide. Like we are, George Washington warned us of factions, right? Yeah. That when you're so afraid of the other faction that you let evil metastasize and corruption metastasize, eventually making a love.

lesser of two evil's choice ends in just plain evil. You descend to a point where it's just plain evil. So I'm so glad there are more voices on the political stage this year. I think that's a great thing. And my, with my audience, I am giving that, I'm, you know, too often in political contests, we hammer our guy and we, we end friendships and relationships and even working professional relationships because you're not going to vote for the guy that I want to vote for. I just want to take everyone a step back and say, hey, vote for who you want to go vote for, vote your conscience. Yeah.

And maybe there's something good they can do from the executive office. Yeah. I mean, Washington, D.C. is pretty corrupt. Yeah. Right? But they need us from the bottom up. There's so much we can do in the next seven months. We have the World Health Organization that is going to be voting on these nasty, nasty amendments.

Yeah. Securing more power for themselves. the African nations are rising up. I had two great interviews with the African Freedom Fighters, Dr. Sanjada Chetty, was on my show two days ago, and I had Dr. Herman Edeling, both from South Africa. And they are mobilizing to smash down these amendments. And if the United States can't do it, we might have to depend on our brothers and sisters in the great continent of Africa to do it, like they did in 2020.

The best health record really when it comes from COVID. They didn't get the vaccine, wasn't able to make that happen. Decades of dealing with the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation and Gavee and, you know, so. They learned. This is not their first rodeo. They know what's going on. So there's just so much we can do, right? So don't get, you know, wrapped up because, again, you know, if your guy doesn't win

and you're going to be depressed for a month and, you know, even if he does win, is he really going to do what he says he's going to do, you know, go in and vote, put politics in its place, elections in their place. And then let's re-imagined and reinvent civics, right? Like getting involved in our own communities. The Liberty Movement, when you say that, how big do you think it is? I think it's big enough. Big enough. It's big enough.

There are enough of us. It was precarious for a while. I think the 25% of Americans who refer, refused COVID-19 vaccines despite the coercion, the propaganda, and everything. It was billions of dollars. Billions of dollars of marketing propaganda just dumped on the American people. Yeah. I always say it's about 30%, but we could, you know, but maybe 30, yeah. But somewhere in 25 to 30% of America, I say the same thing, absolutely rejected. Yep.

And look, that's, that has to be a passionate group of people. Oh, yeah. Because we were under assault. We're being told you are like the end of the world. You're evil. You're dark. You're killing your neighbors. So 30% took that for two, three straight years, that assault on every screen they walked by, every

newspaper they read, and they said, yeah, still no. Yep. That's a pretty passionate group of people. Oh yeah. Liberal and conservative. Right, of course. Conservative media was hammering it, right? So that was uniquely American. Yeah. That didn't happen.

anywhere else in the world. Agreed. It was uniquely American. So that core group, if we can keep it together. Yeah. Through this election season, right? Regardless of what happens, that's going to be the new cultural liberty movement that I hope and pray is going to lead the rest of the world out of this darkness. And then we'll figure out how to face all of the other things that are coming, the financial, the global conflicts.

But we can do it. I'm ever an optimist. So am I. So am I. I'm still trying to think of how to end this show because he's like, I always want to end on a positive note with, you know, the AI and things like that are happening. But I agree with you. It's something I'm looking at a lot right now is how big is that movement? I always think about Ed Griffin, you know, who wrote Creature of Jekyll Island has this amazing interview years ago with the KGB defector that totally predicts the exact world that we find ourselves in where we're going to infiltrate you. We're going to infiltrate your universities, and we're just going to create mayhem. We're going to create cultural issues that will have you all fighting with each other. And in the end, we're just more patient than you are.

We're going to take over America. We're going to win. And I think about those moments, but he would always say right about 13% of a very passionate portion of society has made every change, national change, every sort of system change that we've ever seen. And I have to believe that in that 25, 30%, we are really strong in there. There is definitely, you know, 13% in there. I think it could be that 25 or even 30. And then we see that only, as you've pointed out, 90% of America aren't even going near the booster shots,

which means they've at least the sort of the, I'm trying to think of the best way to say this. The herd, if you will, is even moving in our direction. And to me, that's a huge sign, right? How powerful is that smaller group? Well, how much of that middle that just don't ever stand up for themselves or fight? They're the tug of war between these two sides. What direction are they heading? It looks to me like they're all moving our direction, whether they've admitted that or not,

and how we message to them or not. But I think that I agree with you. It's a really interesting revelation. To follow the work that you're doing, what's your podcast? What do we find it? Yeah. So I broadcast daily at 11A. Eastern Time on Rumble, Twitter, Sprilly, and every podcast platform.

Okay. So 11 a.m. to about 12.30, if I'm disciplined, if I talk too much, I might go two hours. I know how that happened. I've been known to do that. But yeah, just go to my website, the shannonjoy.com, and you guys can find everything that I do. But thank you so much. I'm a real fan of your work. I mean, you guys, when I was doing my deep dive and trying to figure out this whole vaccine issue, it was children's health defense and you, the high wire, ICANN, Aaron Siri, Bobby Kennedy. It was a whole new world for me.

And you guys, I've been watching you for many, many, many years. Consistency is unbelievable. And I'm really honored to be here. That's really great having you. And it's always, I'm always so excited to see more and more voices. You know, people like, you have a lot more competition, Della. That was always the goal. That's right.

Like, you know, when we started watching Tucker Carlson and some other reporters out there, you know, podcasters, Joe Rogan. You're the OG, though. You know, I feel like in this space, I kind of, we laid our acclaim, but we're happy to have all those other people out there. So, well, thank you for coming in. Thank you for taking time. And thank you for this really, I don't usually, you know, talk to other reporters. And I think that what people don't understand when they're watching a show is there's a lot of thinking on how should I present this. I don't want everyone fighting.

I don't. I'm trying to create, you know, how do we reach out to new hearts and minds? I can't insult them just because they maybe made a different choice. And, you know, how do we stay unified? And especially coming to this political season, you raise really good points. I would say what I think about right now is we should probably say as Americans, how about a moratorium on yelling at each other? go. How about six months? We can all start yelling. How about the last month, yell and scream all you want and try and force me to vote for a huge thing I should vote for? But up until then, why don't we all

sit and have some really honest conversations and recognize that nobody we have voted for over the last several decades ever did much of anything they promised they were going to do and let us down in a major way and have made it almost impossible to say that there are anything but some sort of duopoly. That's right. And why don't we just honestly talk about how we would ever do. change that and who we think, but put it all on the table and recognize that we're in this together and America's really needed. I've had so many people that come in here now that are guests from other countries and they just say, Del, we are really terrified because America, we need you. You know, just recently a Canadian lawyer came in and said, we're looking to you

to like lead the world and you are having a tug of war with a constitution that's the last one of kind and you're about to tear it apart. Yeah. So we really have to do something about that. Yes, we do. And it's a blessing to be able to do it though, right? We live in extraordinary times. Absolutely.

Shannon. Thank you so much. Keep up the good work. Okay, thank you. All right. Stay in touch.