The Highwire with Del Bigtree - BUSTED

Episode Date: March 4, 2023

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wherever you are out there in the world, how about we all step out onto the high wire? It's been an amazing week, I have to say, if you've been watching the news, it's as though the sky is falling, and it's not falling down on all the truth tellers that have been censored and muted throughout these last few years.

It's on all of those that push the propaganda, all of the lies that are now being busted. This is what that looked like in the news this week. Today, if you question the government, they call you a conspiracy theorist. If you didn't like that the government shut down your business, you were branded an outlaw. If you didn't think mask mandates worked, you were called a murderer. And if you thought the Wuhan virus might have come from a lab in Wuhan that made viruses, the government called you crazy.

Tonight, NBC News Learning the Department of Energy has concluded COVID-19 likely came from a lab leak in China. The COVID pandemic began with a lab leak in Wuhan China. The COVID outbreak began with a laboratory leak in Wuhan, China. We know perfectly well where COVID came from. We've known this for years. In fact, one of the very first things we knew about COVID was that it was an engineered virus that escaped somehow, intentionally or not, from a Chinese military bio lab in Wuhan.

It is all unraveling. You have a study from Oxford, on the masks. You have the Lancet, which, by the way, was the number of, one place that gathered up the scientists right away and said, not from the lab. Yeah. Nothing to see here. They demanded that we wear masks. Now top scientists are saying, masks did not stop. They did not slow the spread of COVID-19 at all, pretty much saying that they were useless. They knew they were lying. They are repeating the talking points of the Chinese communist government. Democratic politicians were doing that and the corporate media was doing that.

Remember they told you that if you got the vaccine that would stop the spread of COVID-19. They will wrong again. Remember they told you if you got vaccinated, you would never get COVID. You would never spread COVID. Wrong again. How many Americans believe these lies? Every facet, every element, every link in the chain that connects every part of elite America to itself pushed the same lies. Obviously it's hard for I think news anchors that we're pushing an agenda brought to them by pharma and our government to admit you know and or even say i'm sorry that we got this wrong but every network you saw there did get it wrong for the most part except for a couple Tucker carlson jumped on this stuff pretty early but you know not to call

anyone out specifically but to just sort of revel in the moment of what it's like to actually have gotten it right when the greatest propaganda machine spending over 10 billion dollars just in the u.s alone to try and convince us all of all of these different scientific principles that proved to be deadly wrong. One of the great doctors that's been outspoken recently on this is Dr. Marty McCarty from Johns Hopkins University. He has been all over the news. He wrote an incredible article that lays it out perfectly for the New York Post. Just very quickly, 10 myths told by COVID experts and now debunked. Remember, this is why all of us were censored for telling the truth.

and now we know that the COVID experts were the ones that got wrong. Here's that list very quickly. Misinformation number one, natural immunity offers little protection compared to vaccinated immunity. Let's be clear. That would have been the first time in history that a vaccine was better than the natural immunity of having caught the virus. It's proved to still rain true that the best way to defend yourself is if you're healthy to have caught the virus, developed an immunity that lasts far longer than the vaccine. We now know that we first told you this on our show all way back in August 12th of 2021.

Next one up was misinformation. Number two, masks prevent COVID transmission. We know for a fact that it is not the case. There's been studies all along the way. Gigantic studies that we've covered just over the last couple of weeks have proved that the mask was a total ruse, probably designed to just try and control us and make us feel bad about ourselves. But we first addressed this all way back in May 14th of 2020. Myth number three or misinformation number three, school closures, reduced COVID transmission. That just simply isn't true. There were studies all around the world. showing that the opposite, it was actually true. We first covered that. On August 13th, 2020, I could do this all day. I want you to read the article. It actually lays out all the points and the proof.

Marty McCarty doesn't, you know, he makes sure that he's delivering, you know, transparency with the science. But I want to cut to number seven because it's really going to be a big part of what broke this week and on the show, and Jeffrey Jackson is going to be getting deeper into it. But misinformation number seven.

COVID originating from the Wuhan Lab is a conspiracy theory. Literally this has talked about in articles. about us when they were taking away our YouTube channel and our Facebook channel. We had the audacity to even pontificate on the idea, is it possible that since this virus seems to have broken out of a wet market, five miles from a laboratory that is literally testing back coronavirus. Is it possible? It could have come from that laboratory.

We first cover that. Get this, folks. We first brought you that thought on January 30th, 2020 with the scientists. You can hear from a little bit later. We covered that before anyone even locked down the United States of America. We first brought the story saying, you know, it looks very much like this could have come from a lab. Obviously, that evidence has become so strong as the breaking news all around. And, you know, when we look at this list, literally now, I don't think there's a single thing Tony Fauci and our government agencies got right.

Not masking, not social distancing, not lockdowns, not the vaccine, not the origin. every single part of their story is now being debunked as a lie. And yes, we're going to prove how it's a lie, not an accident. They knew all along, and they were manufacturing this thing from the beginning. Marty McCarrey, who wrote that great article, has actually been up in Capitol Hill all week with an illustrious group of brilliant scientists that are speaking to the truth in front of the Senate.

So many great clips. This is one of my favorites. Check out Marty McCarrey this week in front of our Senate. The CDC and the FDA and people at the NIH made up their mind before the trials were completed. They decided babies were going to get vaccines before the study was done, and when it came out, it found no statistically significant difference in efficacy between the two groups, and they just authorized it anyway. Why are we even doing trials?

Why do we even have an FDA? Why not just have King Fauci decree that everyone's going to need this? And public health excluded anyone who had a different, opinion. Ask any one of us that had different opinions than the establishment if we were invited ever to the Public Health Association or university forums. We had published collectively 400 articles on COVID, including peer review articles in JAMA. And yet we were excluded. So of course it looks like there's a consensus. But do you know that 40% of rural pediatricians in America do not recommend the COVID vaccine? How would you know that? That's a number of

that comes from a CDC discussion forum. We talk about vaccines as if it's all or nothing. You've got to be all or nothing like it's a religion. Does that mean all of you get the anthrax vaccine? Does it mean you get vaccines where the risk-benefit ratio isn't there? How about we just be honest? I'm not anti-vaccine in any group.

I'd just like to see the data for boosters in young people or for babies to get it. Public health officials and the CDC are proposing that a 12-year-old little girl, get 65 COVID vaccines in her average lifetime in that average lifespan. Based on what? How about we see the data? Where did we forget the scientific process altogether?

As I said, the sky is falling on the liars of the world right now, right inside the Senate, inside the United States of America. Brilliant testimony happening. And, you know, I want to just say for a moment, I know the high wire we like to, you know, sort of pat ourselves on the back for having gotten so much of this right all along the way in the face of incredible adversity. But I really want to congratulate you, the millions of you that have been watching this show, but even before this show, all of you, I want you to take a moment and realize that your own intuition, your own instincts led you to information that was going against a narrative that was literally playing for 24 hours a day on every news channel in this country and around the world. and somehow something inside of you said, this just doesn't make sense.

Masking my kid makes no sense. I thought we wanted them to catch germs. They have incredible immune systems. Why are they not going to school? This is going to destroy their lives. I mean, it didn't matter. You know, you somehow knew it was wrong. You started marching in the school board meetings

and standing up for your truth and making a difference. And I've said it time and time again, we will never elect a single politician that can do what the masses do when we all come collectively together. and decide we're not going to hide from the truth. We're going to share it with everyone we know. We have literally changed the world. The high wire didn't do it.

No president. Biden did it. Certainly Trump didn't do it. Or even, you know, DeSantis, any of the other politicians out there, you did this. This is happening now because the pressure on our government and on our scientific community is so great because so many of you trusted your instincts and you did something about it. You talked to your neighbors. You talked to your friends.

And now this is, the cat is out of the bag. This is massive. This, and I've said it from the beginning, this will go down as one of the greatest scientific catastrophes in the history of mankind. And it is certainly going to destroy the credibility, the CDC, the FDA, the NIH. And there's nothing they can do about it now. We clearly are going to have to drain that swamp with, you know, future work. But just hats off to you. Take this moment to really pat yourself on the back and recognize that that intuition inside of you is still working.

And when you were listening to it, it was right. Continue to trust that because we got a lot of work ahead if you see what we're going to be discussing today. But when we talk about speaking our truth, for some of us, it doesn't matter as much as others. But if you're a high-profile person, is it scarier to go out and tell your truth? Well, my next guest that is going to be in here was on the verge of being the first female CEO of a $6 billion company. You know what it is until the lockdowns made no sense, and she started speaking out about it. And they tried to stop her. Nothing was going to stop her. Here is Jennifer Say. Take a look at this. Joining us now is Jennifer Say. Jennifer Say, former Levi's brand president.

I'm excited to talk to you about Levi's working as the CMO, as a steward for a brand that is 143 years old. I have been there for about 17 years. I worked at Levi's for almost 23 years, a brand. in a company that people around the world love. But in 2020, I pushed back on the school closures in my city of San Francisco. This went against the woke ideology. I feel like, you know, the issues at stake here are not just kids, but free speech more broadly.

And accepting a package to stay silent would fly in the face of that in my mind. It really is an exhortation to use your voice and to say what you think and to stand up for what you believe in. 62% of Americans say they don't feel like they can do that. That's a problem. She was a rising star Levi's until she started tweeting out about her issues with the lockdown.

Here's just a couple of those tweets. Take a look at this. This is my son's experience of kindergarten for the last 11 and a half months. Needless to say, pretty joyless, definitely no love of learning being instilled or learning for that matter. He gets this for exactly two half-hour sessions a day. I'm glad it's not more. She also went on to say, currently there is not enough evidence for or against the use of masks, medical or other, for healthy individuals in the wider community.

WHO continues to recommend that medical masks be worn by individuals who are sick or those caring for them. Just obvious statements. What's to go wrong there? And then, so when is Fauci going to stop doing the morning shows on Sunday, terrorizing the already fearful, no hugs for grandma, no eating with people, no handshakes, or unmasking to share a smile with a friend? It's untruthful what he's saying. He's a terrible messenger.

Well, these types of tweets got her in a whole lot of trouble by the woke crowd. This is the New York Times headline. She was a candidate to lead Levi's. Then she started tweeting. Well, this is an incredible story. She's written a book about it. Levi's Unbuttoned is my honor and pleasure to be joined right now by Jennifer Say. Thank you for coming in.

Thanks for having me. All right. So, you know, first of all, you know, we hear a lot. about it sexism in corporations and things like that how did you get to where you were in a in a giant company like them because I would say it seems like a pretty awesome company obviously you know you're you're on the verge of of being CEO how did that happen yeah I mean I was there close to 23 years okay so it was a long journey very long journey I started as an entry level marketing assistant in 1999 I lived my life there I had four children there

Wow. These people were like family. You know, I went to weddings and baby showers and funerals and everything. And I worked my way up the ladder, and that's a lot what the book is about. You know, it's not just about my sort of last two years of COVID dissenting. It is about what it was to be a woman in corporate America in the 90s and 2000s. And it was tough. I felt like it was worth it.

I persisted. I loved the work. I loved the brand. And I wanted to make it better and contribute to the culture in a positive way. And I felt if I climbed the ladder, I could help create the culture that I thought was most inclusive. Ironically, I was excluded from that in the end. So tell me, you know, career has gone great. COVID hits.

Now, you know, in your position, did that sort of stick you in your house? Or, you know, how did the Levi's handle it? Were they sort of jumping on the lockdown wagon? Oh, gosh. Yes. I mean, keep in mind, corporate headquarters are in San Francisco. Okay. I'll let you understand what that.

Got it. I think we all get with them. Yeah, you know, the further left-leaning a city was, the more kind of dire the restrictions and more onerous, the restrictions, and the more fervent the belief in those restrictions. There was no deviating. Not only did you have to adhere, you had to do so enthusiastically. You had to love it. You had to love being locked at home and locking your children at home. Otherwise, you were a bad person and you wanted everyone to die. Right. So we went, you know, virtual immediately. They're still having trouble getting people to come back to the office. People are refusing. So we were working virtually.

It was a very difficult time. You know, our business went like this. You know, we're trying to manage. All our stores were closed in the whole world, right? Right. So we're in kind of crisis mode. But from the very beginning, I was the chief marketing officer at the time in my eighth year. Very successful in that role.

And I actually got promoted to brand president during my dissenting, which is really a testament to the fact I was doing a good job. But from the very first day, just like you, just like you. Yeah. I was like, no, this does not make sense. School closures do not make sense. This is harmful to our children. Closed outdoor play areas, San Francisco closed playgrounds

for nine months. This is not good. And I focused my dissenting and my advocacy on children because I thought that we could find some way to agree on our children. I was wrong. What about your background, you know, gave you the confidence.

confidence that this was wrong. I mean, what made you think it was wrong? Like, what inside of you? Is it just the knowledge of viruses, the health of children? Like, what was it that sort of really triggered you? You know, I worked really hard to educate myself and not just kind of take the headlines as fact. It didn't take much reading to know. The children were at basically zero, right? Yeah, basically zero. It took no reading. Yeah. The median age of death from the beginning was something like 82. Right. I don't have to be a math genius. to do the math on that. I don't have to be a doctor to be literate and numerate.

And so I just read and I clicked the footnotes and I kept reading. And it all just seemed like a farce. It was a lie and it was a harmful, destructive lie. And I wasn't speaking my truth, I was speaking the truth that children were not at risk. And not only were they not, what we were doing to them was incredibly destructive and harmful. But you know as well as I do,

if you challenge the narrative or the ideology, whatever it is, COVID, vaccine, gosh, I could name them all day. If you challenge the narrative, you will be banished as a heretic. You will be called every unemployable name in the book. And so for challenging and asking questions, I was called a racist. Yeah. How is it? Opening schools was the racist position. Right. And now it makes absolutely no sense. The exact opposite is true, in fact. closed public schools harmed low-income and black children.

Especially because when you find out they didn't have the iPads, they didn't have the computers, like all those that are underserved in our communities that were supposed to care about, didn't have the technology ability, the internet, the high-speed internet to be running video-compensing the way others had. So it was horrible. Very young children were left home alone if their parents were hourly wage workers. And yet, you know, wealthy white folks were saying, we're all in this together and if you advocate for open schools you're a racist. Meanwhile, they had tutors in

their homes. They sent their kids to in-person private school. My own peers at Levi's who told me I had to stop talking about this were sending their own children to in-person private school. Right. And so when you ask me, how did I know? I read, I learned, I had a gut instinct, which was correct, and I refused to further a lie. I don't really understand why any other you. I don't anybody would further a lie. I don't really, it's just anathema to me. There were these things that were true, this was gonna be harmful to children,

and I said so. And if that is not a hill that someone is willing to die on, defending children and the truth, then they have no principles. Did you expect that you would get, you know, push back from it? I mean, you're obviously, you are, you're a voice for this brand,

you've been out in public, you realize that your tweet is going to be seen is going to be seen by more than your average person's tweet. So how did you assess what was going to happen and what made you sort of forward? You know, I didn't really have a large following at first. You know, even though I was the CMO, I wasn't that active on Twitter.

So I didn't really think about it. I mean, I might have had like $1,500. That's not the case anymore. Yeah. And I just thought the truth was so obvious that eventually people would come around and common sense would prevail. And then when it was clear that anyone challenging or speaking truth was attacked mercilessly so that they could manufacture this consensus,

then I just became bullish, and I was like, I'm not going to stop even if you tell me. Because the hypocrisy, the risk is too high and the hypocrisy too great. So then I, you know, a few months in, I was like, I'm in trouble. Where did the pressure first come from? Was it outside in the public or was it inside the corporation? It was inside. Okay. And I had been vocal for about six months before anyone dared call me.

Okay. And I was like, oh, I guess they don't notice. You know, I was doing convincing myself. And I did get a call in September of 2020 from a peer, the head of corporate communications, asking me to stop saying people were noticing and they were upset. I basically said, are you telling me I have to? She said, no, I can't do that. And then I said, well, then I'm not going to.

Okay. Okay. Now, was she appear at the same level that you're at? A little below. A little below? Okay, interesting. And so you continue on, when does it become clear that it's more serious than you realize? It became pretty clear. You know, after that first call, I got a call about every two weeks for the next year and a half. Wow.

That was a very similar, you know, head of legal. And at one point I realized, okay, now there's people going to. for me. There are people, my peers, this woman who called, who's taking a dossier to my boss, the CEO every week of the things that I've said. Now they're going for it. And at that point, we're a year in to school closures at this point with no sign of them opening in San Francisco. I mean, this is catastrophic for children. I'm not about to stop just because I'm the brand president. And I never used my title. I never said where I worked. Not one time, not one show I appeared on. But really, things went south in in the spring of 21 I appeared on the ingram angle okay and

that was when I guess I could say all hell broke loose because I spoke to the enemy and that made me the enemy right I say the enemy yeah I don't believe that and and she was a maybe one of the first I think national voices for the very beginning opposed to school closures yep in particular amazing for this and you know she invited me on I publicly stated that I moved my family to Denver so my kids could go to school and I debated it. I knew it would be controversial. But open schools' moms, that's what we

called ourselves, like me, we're not given any voice in this conversation. We were demonized. And so I talked to my moms and we said, do it, I'll do it. I can defend myself. I won't be backed into a corner. It's a national platform. CNN won't talk to us.

New York Times won't talk to us. We've tried. We're not part of their narrative. So I accepted and explained why I moved to Denver and how my own kids were struggling, but more importantly, the 50,000 public school children in San Francisco. And that is when I was basically just targeted as an enemy. I was in fact asked, you know, you need to prove that you are with us, not against us, that you are not a wolf in sheep's clothing. That's what I was told. I needed to now prove in the company.

Wow. I mean, what does, I mean, this had nothing to do with the company, though. It has nothing to do with, you know, anything their product represents. I mean, this is just my life. outside of here government decisions health department decisions what business was it of Levi's and how did they I mean what lengths did they go to to try and get you to I was I was made to do an apology tour in the company okay I did not apologize I agreed because I thought I could explain myself okay but the the intention was for me to sort of prostrate myself and you know me a co-pub was that was just like one room to room like five ten

people? Is it a large odd? No, it's virtual. Virtual, okay. Went back to work. Oh, you're all just zooming in? Yeah, they're all zooming in. And I have to explain why I'm such a terrible person that I would violate this narrative and advocate for children.

Wow. That's pretty bad. Yeah. So that's, and that's where I was told I should, the questions I would be asked, are you a racist? Are you a conspiracy theory? Like anyone says yes to these questions, I mean, it's ridiculous, where I had to prove that I was on, you know, with them, not against them. And the evidence that I was against them is that I

spoke and had a conversation with Laura Ingram. How do you prepare for a Zoom call like that or like this? I mean, that moment must be pretty intense. And you're like, I know I'm about to not deliver what this entire thing is being set up. They want me to say one thing. I am going to continue to speak my truth. Is that, how are you wired? You know, is that something that gives you Butterflies? Oh, yeah. Yeah. I mean, I was nervous.

I knew I needed to be calm and rational. I also knew sentiment to some degree. I mean, this was, by the time I did this was June 21. And there was no sign schools in San Francisco would open in fall of 21. So there was some softening. Not much. Right. I just had faith, you know, mistakenly, I will admit, in my own ability to kind of communicate

calmly and clearly and to at least be heard even if you don't agree with me. And in fact, it went quite well. I'm sure your communication was fine. It was just you're underestimating the level of hypnosis that was going on in the population. I did. I underestimated the level of hypnosis, the mob mentality, the cruelty of the mob, and the willingness of anyone sort of on the supposed inclusive left to banish any one who dissents in any way.

and to go to any length to do so. It doesn't matter if you've spent your life. The arc of your life doesn't matter. What you've done, who you've defended, how you've represented integrity, how you've stood up for children, because this was not the... When we all agreed on issues with children,

I was your hero, now that I'm still staying with children on this, but you are believing in some orthodoxy... The thing that you deal with every day, but it was just like... this like the lie that people were willing to carry, carry water for the government, the press who carried water for the government

and Big Pharma, like it's just so astonishing to me. Like, and the lie that I was speaking to most often was this idea that we needed to close the schools, we needed to make children the locus of our anxiety and transmission, that was a lie. And that closed schools weren't harmful. It has harmed a general. generation of children.

We don't even know what that's going to look like in the future. I mean, babies that never saw smiles when they were born for years and language and all of the things that lost, the, I mean, most of the population of schools dropped at least grade behind when we look at the science. Well, and the number of kids, you know, we haven't seen it play out yet. Absenteeism isn't an all-time high. Do you not think that's going to lead to drop-out rates being a, people aren't going to, these kids are not going to graduate from high school, even if that's just an increase of

5% that's catastrophic for this generation yeah they're not integrating back into school they're behind they don't know how to be or be around their peers there's violence in the hallways there are some public schools in San Francisco that absenteeism chronic absenteeism is 90% that's incredible that's a catastrophe and I refused to further the lie that everyone was at equal risk that schools needed to be closed that children were filthy vectors of disease I won't do that Yeah. And so how does this, so what does Levi's finally do? I mean, you're obviously, you get on the Zoom, you're not, you're not backing down. That becomes clear to them. Yeah. At a certain point when you don't back down, you know, it was clear that I wasn't. They tried every tactic in the book to get me to shut up. At a certain point, the demonization of the village, it's just to keep other people quiet. Right. Right. Right. Who else is going to want to put themselves in my spot?

And so it went on, even after the Ingram thing, it was almost another year before I got ousted, but, you know, constant exhortation. Did they ever offer you a position change or money or anything like that? Eventually in January of 22, I was told there wasn't a place for me at the company any longer because of my vocalness on this subject, offered me severance of a million dollars to leave quietly, which I rejected. so that I could talk about this. So basically, we will give you a million dollars if you keep this all quiet and what went down here. I mean, it wasn't said that way, but yes, that's what happens. Because if you sign, you know, to get the money,

you have to sign a non-disclosure agreement. That means you can't talk about why you left. Instead, you did this. This is, this is this. That's right. And I talked to you. Kind of the opposite. You're here now.

Yeah. You know, this wasn't your first rodeo, though, actually. You broke a really big story that it became huge. I think was it this year around gymnastics. You yourself were a gymnast. Yeah. You know, got really high up in the ranks there, which is amazing. Just tell me about that book really quickly because it was, you know, you got similar pushback in a way.

Yeah, I had an unusual childhood. I was an elite gymnast in the 80s, a long time ago. I was a 1986 national champion. And it's a very cruel and abusive culture. And in 2008, when I was, I don't know, 40-something, I wrote a book about my experience. and exposed the cruelty and abusiveness in the culture. And that was the first time I was sort of canceled in a mini way amongst athletes in the Olympic movement,

but was ultimately proven right. Well, because of me, you brought to light that there was not only is an abusive culture, which I know a little bit about, I see as a gymnast, never got that far, but I will say that I placed sixth in all-around and class three, so like, you know, lower, you know, in the regionals.

So I had some experience and it is really abusive. No guts, no glory. Get up. You're not hurt. Like, I mean, just like a real militant. And so when people, I just laughed growing up that the football players in school act like, oh, you're a sister, you're a gymnast. I was like, I have no idea.

You could never handle how insane this is. And I can't imagine with the girls weight issues, all of it. We watched it right before my eyes. But it went far beyond that. It was really you were pointing out there's also a lot of sexual harassment and abuse happening. I mean, the point I was making is that there's widespread physical and emotional abuse, and that actually creates the conditions for the widespread sexual abuse. Because once a child is beaten down in these ways, they are open to that.

And the predators are rampant in the sport. And honestly, you couldn't talk about it. And that's what I wrote about in the book. The National Team Coach in the 80s was a rapist. And you couldn't say anything, right? We all were silenced. Children were silenced in favor of money, medals, reputation of these coaches and of USA Gymnastics. And I talked about it, and I, nobody wanted to hear it.

It was a rough time in 2008 when I wrote the book. I was dragged across the internet for the first time. But ultimately, with the story of Larry Nassar breaking, which is what I think you were alluding to earlier, the team doctor for USA Gymnastics, abused over 500 young athletes. I was redeemed. And so I was briefly then considered in 2019 kind of heroic for having been correct. And then I quickly gave up that hero. You just blew that.

I blew it quick. And the gymnast came after me first, honestly, in 2020 when I was outspoken. But you know what? Someone has to go first. I wonder, you know, I think about, you know, some of the things I did. I went from gymnastics into springboard diving for a while and then ultimately, you did a bunch of theater and things, but I always think back to a sport like that where it's all the pressures on you, a floor routine, you have this one moment, any little thing goes wrong, you mess up at all, it's over. The pressure to perform all by yourself against everything looking at you, how much does that, though, give you that strength, I think, to sort of march into these positions? You know, it's a great question. I think about this a lot. I think it's sort of like you either have.

have it, right? You either have the sort of courage to withstand the opprobrium and the ostracizing, or you don't. But you can hone it. You know, probably for me, that experience honed it. But, you know, one of the things I tell people is I grew up in this culture where obedience was enforced with such fervor, like violence almost. And so I was a really obedient kid, right, to perform in that culture. So if I can overcome that, anyone can't. Anyone can't. I have to fight hard to overcome it every day. I have to push myself every day to say, say the truth, say the thing. It matters. Kids matter. The truth matters. If we do not defend the truth and fight for it, then we're accepting living in an authoritarian regime where the government decides what the truth is.

and I'm not going to do that. I don't care who hates me. Absolutely fantastic. So where can we follow the work that you're doing? You've got this great book, Levi's Unbuttoned, check it out. Read, you know, to get to read about a living warrior amongst us. So many of you out there, I'm celebrating you today because a lot of what's happening is because of how many of you spoke your truth.

But you also have a substack, I understand. I do. It's called Say Everything, so people can check that out. and I write about the ongoing, you know, reckoning on COVID. But I also write a lot about woke capitalism, which is a good deal of what this book is about. Okay, great. And I write about other random stuff just for fun. What's your plan in the future since you blew up a really good job?

I did. What does the future look like? Yeah, no one will have me yet. But right now I'm making a documentary film on the impact to children from the prolonged school closures and ongoing restrictions. Excellent. Yeah. Do you, I mean, this week, I mean, the news really has sort of just turned all of a sudden.

Now you watch the hearing as going on in Washington. This House of Cards is crumbling down. Do you get a little warm sensation in there as you think about all the people that are going to have to eat crow on this? I am not getting ahead of my skis on that. You know, like, I'll give you an example. You know, Brett Stevens op-ed in the New York Times.

You know, we all went, oh, great, even the New York Times is now. But no one at the science desk is writing about it. It's their Republican conservative opinion writer. And if you read the comments to the piece, you'll feel less encouraged. So the fight is still on. I agree with you. The narrative is crumbling. And I agree with you, it will happen.

It is going to take time and persistence from people who keep demanding accountability. Well, I want to thank you for being courageous, a warrior, sharing your story, because it's so important for all of us to see that in all walks of life, we really can make a difference when we speak our truth. you've done it at a high risk but I'm sure you'll be blessed because of it so thank you for for being courageous and truthful thank you thanks for awesome to take care all right well it's time for the Jacks Report man Jeffrey I got to say I'm a little giddy little giddy today just with all

that's going on I mean it's a mixed emotion is it though because it's so horrific what's happened and it's so horrific the damage that's been done and it's one of the most, it continues to be one of the longest, most painful I told you so's in world history. But lay it on us, what are we talking about this week? Yeah, it's an interesting moment and watching you at the top of the show going through that top 10 list. You know, you and I were there every week reporting on that stuff in real time and pretty much getting it accurate every time. And, you know, the story, the timeline we're about to go through now is really one of the most important things I think we've ever done. And it has implications for what's

happening right now. And you mentioned the lab leak. So we're going to start there. The Wall Street Journal put this out there. They broke this story. And these were anonymous sources. A lab leak in China, most likely origin of COVID pandemic. This is the U.S. Department of Energy. And it says in this story, the U.S. Energy Department has concluded that the COVID pandemic most likely arose from a laboratory leak, according to a classified intelligence report. The public has not seen that, recently provided to the White House and key members of Congress. It goes on to say the energy Department now joins the Federal Bureau of Investigation in saying the virus likely spread via a mishap at a Chinese laboratory. For other agencies, along with the National Intelligence Panel, still

judge that it was likely the result of a natural transmission and two are undecided. So even within the U.S. government, we don't have agreement on this yet. So we just have the U.S. Department of Energy, the FBI, and they're saying it was, you know, there's a probable likely. But what's interesting is after that story came out, we had an instant reflexive answer from the Chinese government. This is what it looked like. Okay. The experiment is not possible is the United States

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are they going to say, right? Yeah, yeah. And that represents one of the fastest and hardest lines of the Chinese government against the U.S. during this

COVID response. So that's a whole separate story in itself, but we're going to stay on this origin story right now. So just last night breaking, the U.S. Senate clears a bill. This is Josh Haouli and Senator Braun,

Senator Braun to classify all intelligence information on COVID-19 origin. So they're saying the public has a right to know on this. But looking back, you know, that's a big story. So it's still not clear on the timelines of when that would happen if it does. But this is another big L in the lost column for legacy media. I mean, their reporting on this has been terribly biased over the years now. So let's just take a look back at that. 2020 of May.

Here's Vice News. Seems like they're always getting it wrong. Trump's Wuhan lab conspiracy, coronavirus conspiracy theory is bogus according to, uh, everyone. Then we have Forbes, the Wuhan lab leak hypothesis is a conspiracy theory, not science. And then the New York Times in February of 2020, really early getting the jump on this one, Senator Tom Cotton repeats fringe theory of coronavirus origins. And even Bill Gates jumped in there to get his dig and try to wrap it into his climate narrative. Take a look at that. It's quite clear in this case that it came across through animals and almost all of

All our diseases like HIV crossed over from chimpanzees in Africa quite some time ago. Ebola came from bats. This also, with one step in between, came from bats. So it's going to keep happening, particularly with climate change. Interesting. Yeah, I mean, we've lived through it, right? I mean, this isn't shocking. Everyone's like, yeah, I mean, we could literally run thousands of headlines from every major news agency there is.

Right. And, you know, in the middle of all of that over the years, we did live through that. And this is what we were talking about during that time. January 30th, 2020 was our earliest reporting on this way back. Like you said, before the lockdowns happened, before anybody who had heard of the word COVID vaccine. This is what we were talking about. Check it out. All right. This coronavirus belongs to a family of viruses that are most closely related to the back coronaviruses. There's no doubt about it. However, When we look at the rest of the genomic sequence, there's an insertion element. This vector technology is a mechanism by which molecular biologists insert new genes into viruses and bacteria. Naturally, one thing that we can say, I think, for certain, is this particular virus has a laboratory origin. These are some of the headlines that are out now. The world needs a real investigation into the origins of COVID-19. You think? New York Times, WHO experts who are investigating the origin of the virus visit a lab in Wuhan.

And then we go to nature. It says, where did COVID come from? WHO investigation begins but faces challenges. If this was escaped from a laboratory, what do you think Tony Fauci is going to do? Tony Fauci that has taken U.S. money during, you know, when it was illegal, before it was illegal, after it's illegal has been moving funds into the Wuhan Laboratory, studying gain a function of what fat coronavirus is? For all of those mainstream news agencies that have claimed that it's misinformation for the high wire to even question the origin of this virus, I have this to say.

Actually, let's let Robert Redfield say it. You know, I am of the point of view that I still think the most likely etiology of this pathogen in Wuhan was from a laboratory, you know, escaped. Other people don't believe that. That's fine. Science will eventually figure it out. I want to make this point today that here on the high wire, we have been dancing around this. We've listened to both sides. From here on out, the high wire is changing course. We are no longer going to vacillate between whether or not this is natural or man-made. My assumption now in the work that we've done, in the science that we've seen and shown you throughout this year,

and much of the science I cannot show you that is being privately handed to us anonymously from world-renowned scientists. I am now under the belief that this is a man-made virus. This is the University of Chapel Hill. It directly calls out Ralph Barrick and it says the NIAID has basically told them to stop because at that time there was a pause in the gain of function research to stop the gain of function research happening at that lab. So again, more evidence that that stuff was going on regardless of what Anthony Fauci was saying during testimony. In this article, it says three researchers from China's Wuhan Institute of Virology became sick enough in November 2019 that they sought hospital care according to a previously undisclosed U.S. intelligence report.

They also plan to create chimeric viruses genetically enhanced to infect humans more easily and requested $14 million from the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency. They're taking these bat coronaviruses, making them so that they can infect human cells and then seeing how they would respond to that. This little war game going on inside of laboratories in where? Wuhan, China. This thing is getting ugly, man. I would hate to be Tony Fauci right now.

He must really be squirming that all of this is coming out. It's amazing, Watson. I want to thank our team for putting that together. It's a lot of work to go back through all the archives. And especially Jeffrey, I think we really have to thank our international team of scientists and experts and whistleblowers that really kept us on the pulse. Obviously, we couldn't do this alone. Triangulating this information all along the way, and here we are. I mean, the whole thing is crumbling.

Really, really fascinating. Yeah, absolutely. And so we have the Wall Street Journal, and then shortly after the Wall Street Journal breaks this story, just a while back, we have the FBI. coming out. We have FBI director, Christopher Wei, he comes out and says, yeah, us too. We think it's from China as well. This is the headline FBI director says COVID pandemic likely caused by Chinese lab leak. They've known for a while now. So it's interesting timing that they came out to back up the energy department. And this is what he had to say. The FBI has for quite some time now assessed that the origins of the pandemic are most likely a potential lab incident in Wuhan.

Let me step back for a second. You know, the FBI has folks, agents, professionals, analysts, virologists, microbiologists, et cetera, who focus specifically on the dangers of biological threats, which include things like novel viruses like COVID, and the concerns that in the wrong hands, some bad guys, a hostile nation state, a terrorist, a criminal, the threats that those could pose. So here you're talking about a potential leak from a Chinese government-controlled lab that killed millions of Americans, and that's precisely what that capability was designed for. I should add that our work related to this continues, and there are not a whole lot of details

I can share that aren't classified. I will just make the observation that the Chinese government seems to me has been doing its best to try to thwart and obfuscate the work here, the work that we're doing, the work that our U.S. government and close foreign partners are doing, and that's unfortunate for everybody. Sure begs the question, how long do the FBI know and how long do they sit watching government officials make the incorrect statements and watch media getting it wrong and doing nothing? I mean, had it not been, you know, the Department of Energy coming forward, would we even be hearing

from the FBI? I mean, this whole thing, you know, has a lot that stinks about it. Yeah, and this is the same FBI that we know from the Twitter files. That was censoring Americans during the last three years and calling directly approaching Twitter to pull accounts. But, okay, so the story everyone's running with right now is blame China. Right. Sure. But let's take a deeper look at the cover up inside our borders.

So who is working within our government, within America to keep the truth from us? Who are the players? So we know who the players are. and we go back into the internal emails that we received from the U.S. government from FOIA requests. And let's go back. So a day after we called it out on the high wire on January 30th, on January 31st, 2020, we have Christian Anderson. He is a evolutionary biologist at Scripps Research. And he puts together a team of researchers. And he emails two people, Tony Fauci and Jeremy Farrar. Jeremy Farrar is the head of the Welcome Trust. This is a nonprofit in UK.

They deal with health and health response, vaccines, things like that. So these are the two priority people. Jeremy Farrar, remember that name. So this is what Christian Anderson says to these two guys. He writes them on January 31st. He says, we have a good team lined up. I should mention that after discussions earlier today, Eddie, Bob, Mike, and myself all find the genome inconsistent with expectations from evolutionary theory.

So right off the bat, he said, I got this team, researchers, all of them and myself find this thing pretty fishy. And it doesn't look like it's evolutionary and natural. So then we see Jeremy Ferrar take a quarterback position at this point in these emails. So he takes this just a couple days later, February 2nd. And Ferrar emails the head of NIH, Francis Collins and Tony Fauci on this email. So these big hitters here. And he says on a spectrum, if zero is natural and 100 is released, I am honestly 50.

My guess is that this will remain gray unless there is access to Wuhan Lab. And I suspect that is unlikely. gray from a respected group under the umbrella of let's say the w h o would in itself help so farrar here is already lobbying to get this conversation with this group they have couched in the w h o to to help the conversation we're going to see what help means from farrar so so we have farrar uh speaks to a guy named dr robert gary in this email robert gary is a microbiologist at toulain university and he asked robert gary what do you think of this because you're you're a microbiologist, a lot of years of experience, and he communicates this, Ferrar. Ferrar communicates what

Gary says to Fauci and to Collins in this email. And he says this, this is Gary. I really can't think of a plausible natural scenario where you get from the bat virus or one very similar to it to N. Cobb, where you insert exactly four amino acids, 12 nucleotide, that all have to be added at the exact same time to gain this function. I just can't figure out how this gets accomplished in nature. It's stunning, he says. So we have two days later now, Farrar is really starting to accelerate this process. Again, he writes to Francis Collins. Literally everyone he's turning to is saying, this looks like a lab leak.

I mean, this looks manmade. I mean, every top scientist, Ferrar grabs a hold of. So, you know, you're expecting that the whatever they're doing, you're going to say, look, the consensus is a lab leak. Right. And even Farrar himself is saying it's 50-50. So on February 4th, Ferrar writes to Collins directly, copies Tony Fauci on this email. And now he's telling Collins how to message allegedly in the media, how to speak about this.

So he's telling him how to talk. Being very careful in the morning wording, he says. He says, in quotations, engineered, probably not. So he said, don't talk about that. Remains very real possibility of accidental lab passage in animals to give glycans will forward immediately. Or if you want to give Eddie a ring, Eddie would be 60-40 lab side. I remain 50-50. So on that same day, Farrar again emails Fauci and Collins.

And he says this, I'm pushing the WHO again today. So here's this guy. He's really pushing W.H.O. to get this thing, to get this thing, started to put this team in there. And now we have Eddie Holmes. He jumps in here. He's one of the scientists that was put together to look at this. And he put together a basic paper. He said, here's our summary so far.

We'll be edited further. It's fundamental science and completely neutral as written. Did not mention other anomalies, as this will make us. look like loons. We can only imagine what he left out at that point, but what would make them look like loons? Well, or conspiracy theorist or whatever people call in the media. So now, now things really get rolling. And again, we're still within six days of that initial first email. I mean, it's like panic, right? There's a panic going on. Something's going on really interesting. Yeah, a big urgency here. So again, Ferrar right at the helm quarterbacking this thing,

February 5th, 2020. He writes to Collins, again, Francis Collins, and Tony Fauci, and he starts talking about the WHO. He says this, couple of things. I spoke again with the WHO this morning. He says, I believe they have listened and acted. Let me know if you agree. Now he's talking about next week at a WHO meeting, they're going to set up a group to look at the origins, he says.

The WHO have asked for names to sit on that group. Please send names. So he's already got in there. He's asking for those guys to send them names. He says, we'll have a call next week with the core group to frame the work of the group, including if you can join. So they're going to frame the WHO's work. He says, I think this puts it under the umbrella of WHO with action this week or the next.

So he's asking for names. He's got the action moving. He's doing well. He says, does this sound reasonable to you guys? Now, Ferrar branches off a little bit here. February 8th, this is where it starts rolling. And this is where it bursts into the public consciousness. So on February 8th, Ferrar is now talking to the individual microbiologists and scientists and researchers that are putting together this paper that will eventually be

put out in the public. This is Eddie Holmes. You can see them in there on the copied Christian Drozden of the PCR testing, Andrew Rambalt and others. And he says this, my preference is that a carefully considered piece of science early in the public domain will help mitigate more polarized debate. So he doesn't want a debate. If not, that debate will increasingly happen and science will be responding to it. Not a good position to be in. I thought science is unfolding with the information, not trying to frame it or direct it, but not in Ferrar's world. So, That was February 8th. One week later, we have this study published in nature.

It comes out, the proximal origin of SARS-CoV-2. This is a big study in the history of the timeline of this. And it says this, and all those authors are on there. We've got Eddie Holmes. We have all the people we talked about. It says our analysis clearly show that's clearly show that SARS-CoV-2 is not a laboratory construct or a purposeful manipulative virus. Wow.

I mean, from the scientists that said, I'm 60-40, he's 60-40 on believe in this is the lab lake, all the other saying, I see no other way that this could be done. They all sign onto a paper saying clearly natural. This is the only way to see it. Within just over two weeks of the initial email, starting this whole thing off, that's the conclusion they come to.

Wow, would it turn around? And then just a couple days later, Ferrar himself puts his name, along with Peter Dasick of EcoHealth Alliance, puts his name on this paper in The Lancet, statement in support of the scientists, public health professionals, and medical professionals of China,

combating COVID-19, and it says this, we stand together to strongly condemn conspiracy theory, suggesting that COVID-19 does not have a natural origin. And there, the media has all they need to call everyone a conspiracy theorist that talks about this thing. So here, Ferrar is saying, out of one side of the mouth, oh, we need a neutral piece of science so we can frame this debate. And then a couple weeks later, you're a conspiracy theorist if you put this out. And that's what's going on there. So let's wrap this piece up for a second. And remember that guy, Robert Gary who initially said, I just, it's stunning. I just don't know how this happens. Well, we look into, he works for Tulane University. He's a microbiologist, they're a virologist.

I looked into the NIH.gov awards by location and organization. And you have Tulane, Tulane University in 2020 had 155 awards totaling $92 million. $92 million. 10 million of that was to Gary's department's department regularly gets about $10 million a year. So heavily funded by the NIH, by Francis Collins's NIH. And you got Tony Fauci over the NIH whose fingerprints are all over this virus, is screaming from the rooftops. Oh, no, it's natural. And it's not going to be a big deal.

Everybody looked the other way. And then you have the payout. Wow. And then we have Christian Anderson who originally put the first email together and said, you know, all of us, along with myself believe that his thing doesn't really look too like evolution, like happen evolutionary. So he has an Anderson lab at the Scripps, uh, Scripts, uh, Scripps University in California. This was the headline in August of 2020. New NIAID

funded center established a new $8.9 million grant received by the Anderson Lab and others are on that grant. But his name is on that grant as well. And so why is all of this important? Look who is the new head of the WHO. This is just breaking headline over the last month. World Health Organization named Sir Jeremy Ferrar as chief scientist. It can't get any more obvious than this. And why is this a problem besides everything we just laid out? The WHO pandemic treaty is rolling. And America has signed on to this.

It's in draft formation, but America and the Biden administration has signed on to this. And this is the headline, U.S. sovereignty slipping as W.HO members agree to draft legally binding pandemic contract. So this dramatically expands WHO's authority to declare a pandemic. It puts anybody signing onto its GDP. They have to do a percentage of that to the pandemic response. It cancels intellectual property for U.S. companies so that everyone can share. So what's happening is you have Jeremy Farrar getting into the driver's seat of this, this WHO with more power than it's ever had since its inception. And so what is the first thing that he does when he gets in there?

I mean, it's really, really shocking that the guy that sits literally at the table orchestrating this lie that is now collapsing, side of the Senate here. You know, we've got Department of Energy, you've got FBI, and at the center of it, the guy that clearly is entwined in this cover-up, not China. I mean, China has their own issues. They're involved in this. But this is inside of, you know, our government working with Tony Fauci. Now this guy is going to be the head scientist when the WHO wants to mandate and control every nation of the world during the next pandemic. We've got that lead liar in the position. I mean, it's Jeffrey. I mean, it is amazing. I'm not seeing anything like this in the news as they scream foul and the sky is falling. This truly is terrifying. And it's from a London-based organization. So how is someone

like that have that much power within our government and to direct the response within our borders? So what is even more concerning, I guess you want to say? Oh, great. It gets worse. I'm following the data as it's being reported right now. So the first thing he does as he gets into the WHO's head position there is he says this. This isn't Reuters. So this doesn't take much research to get this. Develop vaccines for all animal influenza strain says incoming WHO chief scientist.

Then you go to the telegraphs a day later. Prepare bird flu vaccines now before virus jumps to humans. Top scientist warns Sir Jeremy Ferrer said the avian H5N1 virus. sweeping the global bird population pose the biggest pandemic threat to the world after COVID. He says in that article, so what I would like to see is governments investing in having vaccines for every strain of influenza that exists in the animal kingdom through at least phase one or phase two. What the heck is going on? And why is this guy saying stuff like this?

Well, just so happens that there is a bird flu outbreak that's been going on. This is one of the headlines, a girl from Cambodia, 11-year-old girl. died of bird food did not have widely circulating variant. But then just a couple days later, we have Sky News reporting this. Bird flu spillover concerning Dr. Warren's virus and girl who died had mutations, making it better adapted to humans. Then you go into the article and the doctor says, well, the mutations were unlikely to have occurred in the girl and the virus hasn't yet fully adapted to humans.

It's still a bird virus. So shame on Sky News for reporting that. They might be clear that mainstream news around the world are carrying a story of one girl out of the nearly $8 billion on this planet that has some form of flu, that this is international news. We must all be terrified. It's happening again. Wow. Something stinks here and seeing the media jump the gun in unison and a story that is not really a story with major data, with major data behind it, is very concerned. And so who else? You know, it's it's not bad enough with all that evidence. We have Ferrar just

turbocharging this thing. Who else is on team bird flu? Well, check out this headline, Dell. You're not going to believe it. Professor Lockdown, Neil Ferguson, once warned 200 million people globally could die during bird flu crisis. You know, sometimes I don't like my job. So here we go. Here's another headline. The avian flu, it goes into this article and it talks about this. The UK has an avian flu technical group. This is part of the UK health security agency. It is now working on fresh modeling scenarios on how bird flu could take off in Britain. Professor Ferguson and epidemiologists who's chilling predictions of the COVID outbreak, which were wrong, led the government to impose the first lockdown is one of those in the group. It goes on to say, let's go to the greatest hits

for this guy. Professor Ferguson was also according to insider insiders instrumental in modeling, which led to the call of more than six million animals during the foot. in-mouth outbreak in 2001. The move was estimated to cost the UK 10 billion pounds and left rural Britain economically devastated. Great move, Neil. And then it goes on to say in 2009, as modeling suggested a realistic, worst-case scenario,

would see 65,000 die due to a swine flu outbreak, only around 450 died due to the virus. But you know, this isn't the first rodeo for Neil. This guy cannot fail enough to lose job. In fact, he just, talk about failing forward. This guy has, you know, written the book. Neil Ferguson failing forward. Yeah.

And, you know, he had to step down from his position at Sage because he was caught breaking the own lockdown during COVID that he helped start because he was, you know, seeing another woman. Just to add that piece in there. But this isn't his first rodeo. So in 2005, bird flu basically bid him there too. So the bird flu pandemic could kill 150 million. That was the headline from 2005.

and it said this in that article. He was in that as well. Last month, Neil Ferguson, a professor of mathematical biology at Imperial College London, told Guardian Unlimited that up to 200 million people could be killed. He says around 40 million people died in 1918 Spanish flu outbreak, said Professor Ferguson. There are six times more people on the planet now,

so you would scale it up to around 200 million people probably. And you know who else was there in 2005, Dell, talking about the same thing, Jeremy Farrar. This guy has been trying to alarm people about bird flu for coming up to 20 years now. And this is a BBC documentary film panorama. That's their documentary film series. This was the headline for that. But it was called Bird Flu, the documentary Bird Flu facing the pandemic in 2005,

where he talks about how scary this thing is going to be. And so, you know, when we see these people. I mean, I see where you go in this. Brace yourselves, folks. I mean, what we've told you, these are not conspiracy theories. Start taking these fools for their work. This is something that they're invested in. When they start moving in the clown show and Neil Ferguson is brought back in like, you know,

this team of morons is gathering inside the WHO inside of Oxford as we speak and working towards one idea now. It really is chilling. What is their obsession with a bird flu? By the way, I want to remind everybody, prior to these people being in charge of our health departments, a pandemic happened on the planet about every 50 years at most. And now we're in the sense, we're getting used to the idea that we could have a pandemic every other year or so. Very interesting how when you start marketing pandemics, they happen more. And when you start predicting them, they happen more.

And who was one of the best people at marketing pandemics? Well, we've heard from recently Bill Gates. Listen to this. All right. Bill Gates, how to prevent the next pandemic. Why are you saying there's going to be a next pandemic, Bill? Why are you putting that juju on us? Given all that we've been through,

it may seem surprising that I'm optimistic that we can prevent the next pandemic. We have to make sure that we're ready because there will be another pandemic, and there's so many lessons about how we weren't prepared, how we should have handled things differently. Asia's a big risk in Africa is also a big risk, because the boundary between humans and animals

is getting closer and closer, closer and closer. If we're rational, yes. The next time we'll catch it early and it won't go global like it did this time. Something people don't like to talk about much, which is bioterrorism, that somebody who wants to cause damage

could engineer a virus. What if a bioterrorist brought smallpox to 10 airports, you know, how would the world respond to that? Stopping the next pandemic. will require a big investment. But I think of this as the best insurance policy the world could buy. Certainly there will be more pandemics. You know, we'll have to prepare for the next one.

That, you know, I'd say we'll get attention this time. Wow, the dream team's added again. Yeah, well, we'll be tracking this story, a lot of offshoots of it as well. But, you know, keep an eye on those players, because as you said, these are serious players and they're all moving for one, one focus. narrative at this point. So definitely something to keep an eye on. And I want to put out there, those of you watching, you know, we really beat on monkeypox early on showing that they were trying to really create a scare here. I think we stopped

that in its tracks because it seemed foolish. I think we all really should start having these conversations with our friend. Like, are they really going to try and push a bird flu next? If we can, I think if we can change the narrative around this before they even get off the ground and running, we really are, you know, starting to have this ability to nip these things in the bud. So be clever in how you bring up these conversations with your friends because, look, we're in a boy that cried wolf moment. I don't know that they could even pull this all off again, but it certainly looks like they are gearing up to try. Right. Absolutely. And so two weeks ago, we had OSHA experts on to talk about East Palestine, Ohio. And we told you and also they told

you, you know, be careful not to move back too soon. There was still a danger there. And they even said one of the first recommendations if you had the means was to not live there, to move. And so we're going to give a little update on that because that story is still moving in the headlines here. One of the big things was the EPA that moved in and took control of the situation, has announced that it will not test for dioxins. Here is that headline. EPA not testing for dioxins in East Palestine, Ohio.

Scientist Stephen Lester calls reason lame. And the reason the EPA said... Lame indeed. Criminal. How about? Yeah. Exactly. They said we're not testing because what we really don't understand, we didn't really test and we don't have a background rate, so we can't really compare that against it. But who is testing? This is great news. We have empowerment by the people. We have independent researchers moving in to take the testing it into their own hands. Check this out.

All right. We're going to be looking for a lot of chemicals including dioxin. We're doing a lot of soil sampling and waters. My view is that it was a bad decision to release it and burn it. I have undergraduate, graduate, and graduate treating chemical in there. I mean, I've brought respirators and stuff. The problem is to wear a respirator, you need to know what to protect from, right?

Hydricon, acid gases. We're here, I think, the first group independently to try to figure out what's really here, because what they were measuring most of the time is what they call VOCs, which is just subgenery. It's not a specific chemical, right? I couldn't in good conscious until we get some sampling day to know what to protect against.

I've been involved in these before. They know that things are gonna dissipate with time, So they measure things that don't really matter. There's evidence that when you burn vinyl chloride poorly, and it was definitely burned poorly because it's such a black flu. You think of the old days with a carburetor, if you had the air fuel ratio wrong and you had black smoke, then you had too much fuel by the air.

That black is carbon, right? So it doesn't combust all the way to CO2. When there's incomplete combustion, there's evidence that part of the vinyl chloride goes to dioxin. And dioxin is one of the most deadly compounds known. If you measured air, it has a lot of components, like oxygen, nitrogen. It might have carbon monoxide, right? So if you measure DOCs, volatile organic carbons, that doesn't tell me anything other than you're measuring carbon.

But I want to know is it butyl chloride? What is the individual component? So they purposely measure for the cheaper instrument, total hydrocarbons, but I want to know what the components are. I love humanity. I love people that step up and didn't take things in their own hands. It's so beautiful. It's great. Yeah.

That's such a feel-good story there, and he's really helping a lot of people get that information. The other big story coming out of there is where they're putting these materials, these waste materials, in the wastewater. So, Del, got some bad news. They're actually bringing it to your backyard. Toxic wastewater from Ohio, train derailment moved to Texas. So the Houston suburb of Deer Park, Texas is now this. Jesus.

Deer Park is the suburb of Houston is now the new home to 500,000 gallons of wastewater. And what they do is they inject this into underground tanks. They say allegedly is below the water table. So that's how they're doing it. Indiana, same situation. They're getting another shipment as well. Indiana landfill. They're actually putting it in the landfill to house waste shipments from toxic Ohio

train derailment. And then Michigan as well. But it was interesting is in Texas and Michigan, officials in Texas and Michigan say they were unaware the toxic waste cleanup from the Ohio derailment was being sent to their community. So in Michigan, they started to really, really protest this. And the story went, it moved pretty fast. So the headlines out of Michigan were saying, GOP governors resist demand answers on toxic waste from Ohio train.

And then just a few days later, Fed stopped shipment to toxic waste of toxic waste to Michigan from Ohio train derailment. That's Michigan Live. So that was stopped. And that's the EPA's decision to ship that stuff out to these states. Unreal. We don't get to vote on these things. We get no say. and they just move, you know, without just reckless abandon and what lives are being next?

I'm sure, okay, we're going to trust you now that you made sure our water table isn't coming in contact with it. Does anyone believe that? Right, right. And so also to the White House, this was, you know, shortly after, like mid-February, but the position hasn't changed yet. The White House had turned down aid. So White House explains why it turned down disaster relief for Ohio. Remember, this area used to Palestine, Ohio has about almost 5,000 residents. So it's a very, very small town. So just to juxtaposition that, in 2022, the Congress approved $113 billion of aid to Ukraine.

That's the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget Report to that. So just to give an idea of what's going on there. You care more about another nation and their people than our own. I also think how many illegal immigrants are being housed with our tax. payer of dollars wherever you fall in that conversation. All I'm saying is certainly we should be able to give protection in a home, a clean home to 5,000 people while we figure out what happened there. And what I find so shocking is FEMA can't go in there because there's a third party.

There's a corporation involved and we're going to wait for them to screw the people over. Does FEMA have no ability to go in, immediately take care of people and then hand the bill over to the company and say, here you go. We have no ability to build this company. I mean, just the whole thing is so absurd when you watch how it's coming apart. He really is. He's bureaucratic red tape and there's 5,000 Americans that are sitting in the middle of this looking for answers. Hopefully they'll get it through the legal aspect because that's what's moving forward now. So the EPA and Governor DeWine are being sued. This is the headline EPA's EPA DeWine sued over claims of safety after East Palestine derailment. They're saying that they put it in danger of violating the

14th Amendment, which was the right to life of liberty and property. And then as we as we're reporting now, there's 10 and counting lawsuits so far against Norfolk Southern after the train derailment. And one of the things we said and the OSHA experts that we had on said is be careful. You know, they're saying it's safe, but it may not be safe. This is the headline today. We have the Teamsters union rep employees reporting illness after working on cleanup for East Palestine derailment. So the workers that aided in the cleanup are reporting migraines, And this is the latest breaking news here. So you can probably expect another lawsuit from those workers as well because they were probably told to go in before it was safe to go in to clean up this mess.

So that's the latest updates. What's what going on in Ohio? Well, thank you for that incredible reporting. Our prayers are with all of those up in Ohio. I hope you can just get out of there, get some fresh air until all of this really, you know, sort of gets figured out. But amazing reporting, Jeffrey. I mean, you know, really taking the whole Wuhan lab story to a place that clearly, even those that act like they're alarmed, aren't really paying attention. They've got their eye on the real problem, which is right here inside of our borders and about to, you know, really about to run the WHO and the world.

So really, really shocking stuff and very important to keep our eye on it. Jeffrey, great reporting. Thank you. Absolutely. Thank you. All right. See you next week. And look, if you want to get deeper into these topics, certainly at our website, go to the Jackson Report, where he writes.

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to help you do that. When we talk about the work that we're doing, you know, it's really important to mention that we're, like the only news organization I know that has a legal team that literally when we stumble on a story, we go after it, we bring Freedom of Information Act requests, we bring lawsuits. So many of you know all the success we've had. This is our newsletter this week. We let you know of our list. latest sort of legal achievement. CDC and NIH unable to provide a single study to support the safety of injecting aluminum adjuvants despite its widespread use in childhood vaccines. This is how that went. We basically, for three years, 2019, we began the FOIA request asking

for this information. Do you have proof that the vacuum is safe in being injected? Here's what we asked for copies of any human or animal studies involving the subcutaneous her intramuscular injection of aluminum adjuvant relied upon by the CDC to establish the safety of injecting infants and children with aluminum hydroxide, aluminum phosphate, or amorpus, aluminum hydroxyphosphate sulfate. That was it. Like, where is the evidence that injected this stuff is okay? Well, we got an answer.

Here's our answer. Basically, they wrote back, the search of our records. After three years of you hounding us, failed to reveal any documents pertaining to your request. Folks, proof once again that every injection going into your children, going to human beings that has aluminum is an experiment and they know nothing about the dangers of it. Let me just quickly go over this. The aluminum that you find in vaccines, let's look at the hepatitis B vaccine, for instance, that's given to a day one old baby.

The aluminum that is in that vaccine, the only studies that we ever saw ever done all aluminum, and they just admitted to you, we've never done an injection study ever. Instead, they did an oral study on rats. Remember they ate mice for the COVID booster? Same thing, same thing. It's not getting any better, not getting any worse. It's the same way they always do it. They've done a rat study feeding aluminum to rats.

And they use some computation, crazy set of math from that rat and decide that your basic infant is hitting their max toxic load of aluminum if they ate it of about 25 They determine that 25 micrograms would be the highest toxic load a baby should eat in one day. Never found out about injecting. Now let me just ask you this really quickly. If you're a logical person, do you think it's more toxic to eat a toxic substance like aluminum or to inject it straight into your bloodstream? I'm just going to ask you.

You know, I don't think you have to be a scientist here. I mean, you're going to an open system where it's going to pass through the body, how much if it gets released in the body or into a closed system where it's stuck and moving through your bloodstream, potentially to your brain. I don't know. I would say 25 micrograms injected would be so much more toxic than eating it. Yet, you know, the question should ask yourself, that day one old infant that you gave birth to, how fragile, I want to remember how fragile, and even a preemie is going to get

this vaccine on this day. Well, that hepatitis B vaccine doesn't have 25 micrograms of aluminum, which would seem to be incredibly toxic to a baby. No, it has more. And it doesn't have 50, it doesn't have 75 micrograms, doesn't have 100, doesn't have 100, doesn't of 150, it doesn't have 200, it has 250 micrograms of aluminum. 10 times the allowable amount ever decided would be safe out of a rat study. 10 times is being injected to your baby on the first day of life.

And I always point to the headline that says this about our health records of day 1 old babies. We have more babies die. US has the highest first day infant mortality out of the industrialized world. In fact, it goes on to say 50% more babies die in the United States of America on the first day of life than every other industrialized nation combined. Well, we don't just see these headlines. We're doing something about it. These FOIA requests take years. They are going to move on to lawsuits.

They're going to be used in lawsuits for the Gardasil vaccine that are taking place that other groups are running. All of this information, we are planting the seeds for science to make a difference and actually, you know, take point. heart in the scientific method. Three years we've been at this. Now, I know most of you probably don't care. You probably even understand how important this is, but let me give you the list of how many vaccines actually have this aluminum in it that has never been tested for injecting safety. There you have it. Vaccines of aluminum. Numococcal, diphtheria, hemopolis influenza, hepatitis A, hepatitis A and B, DTAP, DT, T-TAP, and remember, you're collecting all those together in you and your little children. So not just that hepatized B vaccine. Guess what? The vitamin

K shot had aluminum two. And how many vaccines did they get at six months, at 12 months? You get the idea. This is a horror show, folks, and we're not letting up. I know a lot of scientists are trying to tell you, oh, it's just the COVID vaccine. Trust me. Trust me. The science has not changed at all. COVID vaccine was made and tested just like all the experimental vaccines you're putting into your kids all the time. We're going to continue to give you that research. So, So, if you want the research being done, if you want the truth being told, if you want to support a group that spends a lot of money, not only bringing lawsuits, but following and tracking a story and a conversation and request to our health agencies for three years, we need your help.

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That is so shocking and terrifying. It's hard to know what to say about it. And people say, oh, well, it's been disproven. In fact, there's an article that just came out. I wanted to vomit when reading it. Here it is, once again, Daily Mail, drumming the same old story, autistic son, 32 of anti-baxers, who was one of the children in disgraced Andrew Wakefield's MMR. vaccine study 25 years ago is ordered to have a COVID jab by court in Jersey. It goes on to talk

about how this child has learning disabilities. He was one of the so-called Lancet 12, one of the children with autism who took part in disgraced Andrew Wakefield's study, which was published in the medical journal falsely claiming that the MMR vaccine caused autism. Okay, I want to just take this in. Folks, if I can prove someone's lying, I'm going to do it. So put this up. I'm just want to put that line up again. Let's be really clear here what this article is saying. that the Lancet study falsely claiming that the MMR vaccine caused autism. Really? Did you read the freaking study? Can we bring up this Lancet study, please? Because this is what it actually said in regards to autism.

All right. We have identified a chronic enterocolitis in children that may be related to neuropsychiatric dysfunction. In most cases, onset of symptoms was after measles, bumps, and rebella immunization. Further investigations are needed to examine the syndrome, as its possible relation to this vaccine. It didn't say we've proven it. It says we are saying we need to have an investigation into it. Andy Wakefield did not come out of that study and say the vaccines are causing autism.

It was in the study because the parents, all the parents of all 12 of the kids in that study said, our child's gut issues, intestinal issues started right after they received the MMR vaccine. This was a case study, meaning is there any information here that has value? Let's look at a small group of kids to see if a larger study needs to be done. In a case study, you ask everybody the pediatricians for the kids, the parents, everything they know, everything they thought that happened, and see if you can triangulate a truth. Well, shockingly, all 12 parents said, my child got this gut issue right after receiving the MMR and ultimately getting the diagnosis of autism.

That was written in the study. We've done whole shows on this. Go back and watch my interviews with Andy. But here is the point. In the end, the study does not. The Lancet does not claim the MMR is causing autism like this. Reporter just said, it says more research needs to be done on this issue. Now, I want to bring up this reporter because I'm tired of people that are hacks and not doing their job. This is Olivia Jones. Olivia, I've looked you up. It looks like you're brand new at this journalism thing. And so I just want to give you just a word of advice as you step out into this world. of writing, why don't you actually read the study that you're going to write about before you put out a paper? Because if you continue to just plagiarize other poorly written articles believing that they were true and therefore by just copy them, I'm going to get it right. You're going to find yourself in a whole world of hurt. I doubt Andy Wakefield is going to sue

you for defamation because he's a nicer guy than that. But if you keep doing journalism like this, it's not going to work out in your favor. So do us all a favor and actually do some research before you write things. And, you know, there is so much on our website that gets into the issue of autism. But here's the thing. I think that you're starting to see these articles come out because so many of you are now asking the question after this COVID vaccine debacle. What about the childhood schedule?

Are those, I mean, were those tested the same way? I just saw this thing happen before my eyes? Yes. And so now they're going to try and do damage control, try and move you all back into, you know, your delirium and your hypnosis. We're not going to let that happen. We're going to keep bringing you the truth. But here's the thing.

They attack anyone that ever tries to make this connection to vaccines, to talk about autism. And by the way, it's millions of people. My understanding is somewhere in the neighborhood of 70 or 80% of those with autistic children believe it was the vaccine that did. They watched the child regress right before their eyes. Until science can prove otherwise, I'm going to stick with the eyewitness accounts. But how many people can speak out about it?

How many people get heard? How many people are ridiculed? We already, you know, with Jennifer say, she spoke out, spoke her truth, used her platform to make a difference. My next guest is using her platform of beauty pageants. We're talking about, can you imagine if Mrs. Universe decided to tell the world, oh, by the way, my child regressed into autism after a vaccine, and there's something you can do about it. There's hope. Take a look at this. Former Miss Michigan, former Ms. World International, one of those warrior moms who is out there making a huge difference for her child and for other children. She shares a message of hope and recovery.

Beautiful on the inside and the outside, Heidi Shear. Mrs. Universe, Heidi Shear. I am always excited to be with people who have woken up and they realize the dangers of vaccines. And I'm always excited to share our story because, of course, there's a lot of. a negativity out there and unfortunately a lot of pain and sorrow and we've been through that ourselves as a family right but we also have a tremendous story of recovery I had a neurotypical child when he was born he was diagnosed with autism just before his fourth birthday one thing that's really hard is acceptance

I know a lot of people waste a lot of time dealing with the diagnosis it's just a word there is no time to waste in denial You've got to just take that diagnosis and say, okay, what do I need to do now? You have to accept what's going on, and you have to look it in the eyes and bite because your child is counting on you. Children are still being diagnosed with autism and they're being told that there's no hope. Well, there's nothing you can do. You can get some speech therapy, you know, and maybe some occupational therapy and hope that your child cannot be institutionalized when they get older. And that is simply not the case. Because my mom shared with you, my life was pretty rough when I was young.

There's a time that I could not speak a sentence, go out in public when I'm running away or plant the park when pushing someone down. I felt sick all the time. Treatments are available. Research-based treatments, evidence-based treatments. Just because your physician is, you know, educated in autism, doesn't mean they're the right physician for you. You have to find your team. You have to find your tribe.

You have to learn from parents who have walked before you. He's woken up from autism. And each and every one of you here that has a sick child, you can heal that child. You just don't ever, ever give up. Please do not ever give up. Your kids need you to be strong. What could be more special than changing the life of a child? I ask you to please spread the word that autism is treatable and recover

possible. Open your arms and welcome everybody when they learn the truth. Welcome them with open arms and say, we got you. We're here for you. We stand strong as a family and we will bring this tragedy to an end. She's the reigning Mrs. Universe and she's using that platform in order to get a message about hope for autism and healing. And it's an honor and a pleasure to be joined right now by Heidi Shear. Thank you for coming in today. Thank you so much, Belle. Thank you for having me. So, you know, my wife actually, her, you know, family, her mother, her aunts all grew up in sort of this pageantry space. But it's something I have never, I've always been fascinated by.

So to begin with, you know, have you always from the time you were young, been doing pageants? No, absolutely not. It's something that I didn't ever think that I would be doing. I grew up and I was very overweight. So after I graduated high school, I decided I needed to get in shape. I lost 75 pounds. Wow. And then my mom saw an ad and TV guide for Miss Michigan and said, let's get you entered.

And so I said, okay. And then I fell in love with it because it brought back that competitive spirit that I had been missing. And so I competed all through my single years and then took some time off when I got married and had children and then came back after I had my three babies. Wow. So what made you, why did you come back to that? I mean, what's, you know, what was the draw? The draw was really to get involved with platform pageants and a platform pageants. and a platform pageant means that it's based on your cause.

Okay. Half of your score is your platform and your cause and your community service. So mine is treating the puzzle of autism because I want to get my message out about how we've been able to help our son recover and, you know, go on to great things, far greater than any physician ever told us he would ever be, you know, be able to do. So it's another avenue for me to get my message out. So let's get into that for a minute because this is an issue that's obviously very close to me. I've made documentaries about it.

I think at the heart of any investigation to vaccines and those things that this issue of autism comes up. So your personal story, how did you wake up to the issue? How did it begin? Well, he was born perfectly near a typical, beautiful, happy, very verbal baby babbling ABC's, singing his songs. And after his wellness appointment and five vaccines,

we lost him. He stopped speaking. He stopped listening or responding to his name when we would call his name. We wouldn't even get a head turn. So we thought he was losing his hearing. He had the hearing checked. It turned out to be fine. He basically just turned inward into his own little world

and wouldn't communicate with anybody. Didn't want to be held, didn't want to be touched, and was full of anxiety. And like I said, he wasn't speaking any longer. So we dove into, let's get him evaluated by the school. They said he's speech and language. impaired the pediatrician of course gave us no answers he just said he wasn't speaking because he was a boy and they talked late but he'd already sort of

been speaking right I mean were they not aware of them I mean I always wonder with this you know you're going to the same pediatrician do they just have like cognitive memory loss or something or just I I think that they don't want to face what happened especially because it was at their hands that it happened they they will go to any lengths to protect you know what happened they don't want to admit it and a lot of physicians they're just in a place where i think that they can't admit it because that would put their entire life you know in a different direction and i feel like they they just can't face the facts but you know we have video of him before

and after and it's clearly you know he was vaccine injured what years is this happened oh my goodness this was um let's see he was born in 2001 so that would have been 2002 and a half 2003 okay yeah so this is really I mean this whole issue is really only starting to get some attention. Were you aware that media was taking place around? I was not. No, I was not aware at all. I started looking for answers, searching the internet, you know, trying to figure out, because I'll tell you what happened after that.

So after the school said he was speech and language impaired, we had him enrolled in an early childhood program. And it's there that the, the, um, physical therapist actually said, I think your son has autism. I think you need to have him evaluated. So then we did, this was a phone call I received at 4 o'clock on a Friday afternoon, and I just dove into the computer and I stayed there literally for three days trying to figure out, okay, if my son has autism, how do I help him?

How do I help him to feel better? How do I help him get back to where he was? And I found an organization, the Judson Center, and I started going to their meetings and started learning about the gluten-free diet, started talking to their physicians, and I got Gannon into a great physician in Michigan, and then another in Ohio. We've been all over the world, actually, with physicians for him.

But that's how we got the ball rolling and how I put the link together. I started researching and learning about the connection with MMR specifically, but all vaccines and the vaccine injury that was happening to children all around, and I had no idea. I had absolutely no idea. Did he get more vaccines after that moment he was requesting?

We never went back to the pediatrician ever again. And I will tell you right now that I think he saved my daughter's life because she had had a reaction to and I didn't put it together and they just said, oh. So she was younger? She was younger. Yeah. She was younger. Yeah.

She's three years younger than him. Okay. She was just a baby and she had only had a few and she had a reaction to her appointment shortly before I found out, before we found out what was going on and what happened to Gannon. So I said no more. We're done. And she's actually our healthiest child. She never was on an antibiotic, never had an ear infection, throat infection.

You know, I mean, I would meet with her, you know, the friends in her school, in her preschool and kindergarten when I would tell them that she never had an ear infection, never was on any medicine. They looked like, you know, they looked at me like, what? How is that possible? Yeah. You know, and she's the healthiest of our three. So many, I mean, this is an issue now that has, I mean, it's continuing to skyrocket.

It's not going away. The numbers are, you know, we talk about the show, you know, depending on what surveillance site you're at, we're at 1 in 44, maybe 1 in 32, if we go by New Jersey. Yes. Boys, much more prevalent. We could literally be somewhere around 1 in 18, 120 boys, which is just so shocking. As you've been on this journey, and you sort of, you know, there's a really, there's a very large group of what I would call warrior moms. Yes. Right at that time that, I mean, are really being impacted that have really gotten into politics, gotten in your case, you're using pageantry to get the word out.

As you've watched this, you know, are, is there, is there advanced? Is there any, you know, do you feel like we're getting anywhere in this conversation? Actually, I do because more and more people are reaching out to ask me questions. Whereas when I first started out, I wasn't getting any questions on what do you think causes autism. what do you think happened? When was he diagnosed? Now I get messages daily. Do you think it was the vaccines? You know, we're experiencing this, you know, with our son. Were you going through the same thing? Is there any, you know, commonalities here that we can say, well, maybe this is what's going on with our child right now. So I'm finding a lot more people are very much aware of the link between autism and vaccines, and they're reaching out to me even more.

And whenever I'm at an event, I always have people come up to me. and want to know exactly what happened because they've heard about it. So that was, that's, that's an amazing movement in itself because in the beginning I didn't, I didn't get those questions at all. When you're getting into this issue and making it a part of a platform,

is there any pushback? I mean, I would think, I mean, it's a very, very controversial issue to bring you something to, you know, the pageantry world, I would think. Yes, yes, I've been attacked. I was just thinking about it last night. I've been attacked online on the internet.

people coming after me saying that I was trying to abuse my son by helping him. It's just you can't even imagine the place in which some people are coming from out there that attack you. So I've definitely experienced backlash. I've experienced adults with Asperger's coming up to me saying, you want to changes. I don't want to be changed. And I try to explain to them, I'm not trying to change anybody. I was trying to help my son heal. because he was physically ill. He had gut issues. You know, he had so many problems that needed to be addressed to help him to feel better because that's how he was born. I'm not trying to change him. I'm trying to help him to feel better. And our group, our, you know, our movement of biomedical

and helping these children, we don't want to change anybody. We accept our children wholeheartedly. If they're in a corner spinning the wheel on their car, we love them and accept them. It's the fact that we want to help them to feel better and to help them, you know, live their best life, which God intended for them. You know, so that's really our goal, helping them, just like you would help any child that has an illness or a deficiency of some sort. You know, you want to help them to get better. There's wondering when I got involved in this issue and I made the documentary Vax. It was really one of the hard, you know, always would do a Q&A after every screening of the film. But every once in a while, you know, someone, I think, identified as being Asperger, so high functioning, would stand up and say, you're saying I'm a bad person or that what, that odd time is bad.

And I said, you know, the first time that question came was really, I was just like, oh, I don't even know how to even answer that. I tried to say, you know, as time went on, and it would happen on occasion to say, look, again, I'm totally accepting of everybody and I love you. But, you know, when I look at science and medicine, you know, I said, for instance, in Africa, there was a real issue of blindness that was taking place. And, you know, obviously something's wrong. Why are these kids having more blindness? We discovered there was no vitamin A in their diet. And so they looked at different spices and things that are used most commonly.

And ironically, MSG ended up being like one of the most highly utilized, you know, flavor substances. So they started putting vitamin A in MSNG. at MSG and ended up like curing this issue and so I said does the the science or the doctors that work on that are they anti-blind people right you know if there's something that we can make people healthy or have them avoid certain issues that I think that's what we're trying to do here but so let's just talk about recovery because I mean I think it's it's always a very sensitive issue because every child you know is my experience is different very

Some respond better than others. Each child, it seems, it feels like there's this real, you know, starting with something that works for a while and then you kind of plateau and have to find something else. What was, you know, for someone that is just sort of starting this venture, what would you want a parent to know about that journey? I would definitely want them to know that, first of all, they have to be their child's advocate and they have to do the research and they have to find the people, the right people to help them.

Just because they're an autism specialist, they might not be the specialist for their child. I really researched, I went to conferences, I tried to meet other parents that had children like mine, so then I could have that connection, okay, well, maybe this is the route we should take right now. I basically, you know, I tell people that really get educated and to advocate for your child because you're their number one person, right? You're the one that's going to help them the most, and don't be afraid to take the road less traveled. That's what we did. We learned from parents that walked before us, and we learned from them and I basically I just took the reins like a lot of us warrior moms do and

said that we have to do it so I tell people you need to go you need to fight and you need to educate yourself start with diet that's something you can do in your own home we all know that our diet is horrible you know there's so many preservatives and you know herbicides pesticides you know poor soil all of it start there start cleaning up your child's diet because you can make huge progress with just maybe illuminating gluten, eliminating casein, you know, food additives, dyes, sugars, things like that. When we remove gluten from my son's diet, he spoke his first sentence three months later.

I hear that, I mean, that is really, there's a commonality to this story. I do hear people say the gluten, the casein, which isn't cheese, everything. Those diet shifts bring this sort of, you know, fairly, not all the time, but most of the time. Many, many parents say those were the first words we heard or returned there. And then there's obviously a huge journey, you know, getting beyond that. Yes. You know, and I think the biome, like the intestinal system, there's so many studies now. You know, when you look at the science that's actually being done, you know, I think it's

the University of Arizona, some of the UC schools, they're doing all of these studies on gut biome and becal transplants. And when you see that going on, I see, you'll see headlines, you know, about it. And I honestly say to myself, the headlines should say Andy Wakefield was right. Exactly. The doctor has pointed this out. I mean, that's all he was saying, right? Right, exactly.

There appears to be a direct connection between this gut dysbiosis problem in the gut and what's happening with them cognitively. When we finally, you know, because my son's, his gut was destroyed. He had no mucosal lining, you know, so that's when the food gets out, it goes in your bloodstream, goes to the brain. So when we finally healed that mucosal lining, got it up to where it needed to be after four years of intensive treatments, that's when the communication really came. That's when sympathy came, empathy came, noticing what I was wearing. Did you get a new dress? I like that. Or for the first time in the mall when I went around the corner and he couldn't see me. Mom, where are you? I couldn't see you.

Whereas before, he was a runner and we couldn't go anywhere because I literally would have to have a grab hold on to him and I had two other kids of course so we just didn't go anywhere we were basically just prisoners so to see him respond like that to his gut being healed was it was miraculous and it was really um it was really convincing as far as like everything that we were doing yes there truly is a link he was right and I have seen it firsthand and it always it always amazes me when people come to me and say, well, why do you think that vaccines had something to do with his autism? Because I saw it with my own eyes. I sat there.

We have videos. We have photos. I experienced this. You wouldn't say to somebody that got hit by a bus. Well, why did you think they had a broken leg because the bus ran over their foot? You wouldn't say that. Right. Because the parent or whoever was there witnessed it.

Yeah. Well, all of us parents, we have witnessed this firsthand. And it's something that's happening a lot. and people need to be aware of it. I always say in science, you know, what people have to realize with this discussion about autism is, sure, you can look at a bunch of different things. We can have all these arguments where autism's always been here,

which is the most ridiculous argument that's ever been. Yes. It's been so many easy ways to debunk that. But I always say it's as though there's a lineup. And what we have is millions of eyewitnesses around the world that all point to the same thing. It's that vaccine. It happened right after that.

after, you know, we don't have cheesecake or donuts or they, you know, had a, you know, fluorescent bowl, which there's different things that could contribute to it. Absolutely. But they have all pointed at this one culprit in the lineup and science went in, removed that from the lineup. Yes. And said it's not that has to be out of the rest of these. And all these parents are standing there, but that's the one and nothing has been put

in there that replaced it. All of the studies on genetics, you know, it's genetics has been proven to be ridiculous. Yes. We're now back to, the CDC is finally starting to admit it's environmental on some level genetics and environmental, and there are genetics, right? I mean, there's obviously a susceptibility there. Some kids do find, you know, with vaccines and others, really don't. And I think what you just said though really struck me, I had never thought about that

way, which is your son's gut lining is totally not there. So when people think, why would diet make that big a difference or the toxins or food dies? of our kids are eating food dies, but if you have no gut lining protecting you, it's going straight to the brain causing all the problem. You cannot, you're just taking water into the boat as you're trying to flow. Exactly, exactly. And that's why when your kids are suffering like this, speech therapy and all these therapies,

they're not going to work if your child is physically ill and in pain. A lot of these kids are found hanging over a chair because they're trying to take that pressure off of the gut pain or the head pain, the constant headaches. what I tried to do, I would go into his classrooms and try to explain to the children, you know, if you felt sick every day, you know, how would you feel? You know, and you kind of really try to get them on the level of, wow, he doesn't feel good. So maybe that's why he's acting a little different right now when he was younger. I wanted to say, though, one of the most important things to tell a parent is to remember that every child is different because so many times

I've seen parents wildly chasing every therapy that they see without investigating it. And like I said, finding that commonality, you need to really be diligent about investigating what is good for your child because they're all so very different. Some of the things that worked for my son were actually detrimental to others. So you really have to investigate and find out what is right for your child and don't get caught up into what work for this or what work for this or, you know, what I mean? you know what they're telling you you should do you have to find out what's best for your child I know I tend to think I mean you know for my own health and you know we don't really go to doctors in our family you go you know we use alternative sort of approaches but and there's just as much maybe that's not a correct statement there are plenty of people in the alternate health

side that are just as you know sort of religious zealots about what they do and on some of our selling things that are unproven I mean you run into that and matter what side of the spectrum you're on, but I always feel like there's something that triggers me and I'll hear all sorts of different things, but I'll get a hit, just like sort of an intuition will feel that when this person's talking, there's something that's making me feel like I should try that. Absolutely. And it kind of feels like it goes beyond science sometimes.

As a parent, do you think that there's, did you have some sense that you're being guided to what you need or is it? Yes. I connected, I mean, I rely on prayer a lot. I prayed through this whole journey. Lord, just please bring me to the people that I need to connect with that can help my son. And yes, I definitely feel like there was times when I knew. Like I was at a Dan conference years ago and there was a mom up there speaking talking about

chelation and I was so, I mean, I was just drawn to her and I knew that that was the next step for us. And I had been thinking about it, reading about it, researching it. And I found her right after she got off stage and I spoke with her and I made an appointment with her with her positions. Definitely things have connected. Mommy's intuition, parental intuition, there's nothing like it. And I'm going to share this. When Gannon was born, I had a C-section. So when they brought him back to me in the room, I had this overwhelming sense that I needed to protect him.

And I didn't have that with his brother who was 18 months older. And I didn't know what that was, but something was telling me that he was vulnerable in some way. And, you know, I mean, of course, I had no idea. You know, I called other parents, like, did you ever have this feeling when you had a baby? Because I didn't have this with my first one, no. But I think it was, it was, you know, God telling me, like, he's vulnerable. But I didn't know. I didn't know at that time, you know, what I know now.

Wow. And so in this process, he's diagnosed with autism. So he's still considered on the spectrum, workhouses, how would you describe and help out? Actually, I mean, we, you know, there's a score that you can take, you know, to see where you are on the autism spectrum and the higher your number, the more severe you are. And he started out, you know, I don't know, 120 or something like that. And then he dropped all the way down to two, which is considered recovered.

I don't think that you're ever out of the woods. I think that, you know, there's definitely he has some struggles still with social aspects, social maturity, but he's doing amazing. I mean, we were told when he was four years old that he may never speak a sentence. He would never be in general education. You know, when he was in fourth grade, they decided to graduate him from the program

and put him into full mainstream education. And I sat with those professionals and they said, you know, there's never been a child with an ASD diagnosis that has graduated from this program. Wow. And I said, well, you know what, this is the first and you need to tell parents

that it is possible. So he graduated from that. program he went on to be in a in a play he was Timoan Jr. in the liking junior in middle school and was actually sought out by a high school in our area to come to their theater department it all just takes people believing in your child. Yeah I was we were blessed with people at each school that believed in my son and believed in his gifts that's what we need to do we need to find out what their gifts are especially in the schools the teachers and I know they have a lot on

their plate and my heart goes out to teachers every single day but they just need to find their strength and focus on that rather than their weakness and that's when you see these kids blossom and as he was being healed his god-given talents came out and he graduated with honors from high school and is out of state at college right now on his own like that's that's a miracle that when we were back you know when he was three years old I never would have imagined that happened that would have happened, but I was always focused on him being better. I always was not, is he going to get better, it was when is he going to get better? And you have to keep your focus strong with that. You have to believe and visualize that your children is going to become well. Yeah, that's amazing. Well,

I mean, so you're using this pageantry platform to get the word out as you travel around. I mean, what is it you really want to achieve and what is it the message that you want to sort of leave with other mothers and parents that are out there? My message is to, first of all, never give up and to never let a physician, a health care professional tell you what your child won't do. Don't ever take that to heart, don't listen to it.

You say, no, we're going to go and we're going to heal our child, no matter what it takes, and be diligent about your research. research, research, research, find the people that you have common ground with. But, you know, first and foremost, treatment and recovery is an option. Right now there's still people. I still have people coming to me that have been diagnosed in the, you know, the hospital, the doctors tell them that there's no hope.

Get some speech therapy, some physical therapies. That's really all we can tell you to do. Well, what about diet? Oh, no, that doesn't work. No, diet does work. I'm not saying it works for every child, but I have seen it. personally spoken to thousands of families that it has worked for all over the world. And so that's my main message.

My message is hope. Don't let anybody tell you what your child can't do. You find out what they can do and you just move forward and educate yourself and expect the best. I love it. I mean, some people come up to me and Del, what is it? What do I need to do with my life? How do I? And I said, look, everyone has different talents, different abilities.

It's so awesome that you've taken, you know, this idea of beauty in your life and the ability to sort of move into this page of space and make it into a platform in which you can transform lives. I mean, it's such a great example of we all have something special we can make happen in this world and I think we are transforming it every day. I believe that. Really an honor to meet you and have you come to the studio today. Thank you.

Thank you so much. I appreciate this so much. Thank you, Del. Thank you. Okay, look, if you've been watching the Highwire for some time, then stories of like this are not that shocking to you because you know that vaccine injury is real. But for those of you that are maybe just joining us for the first time, perhaps because you've been injured by a vaccine or you know somebody that has recently been injured by the COVID vaccine, you want

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to the CDC's vaccine adverse events reporting system. So if you or a loved one has suffered an injury from a COVID-19 vaccine, go to Injured by COVID vaccine.com now. So much for this world is changing around us again. I just want to give a shout out to all of you that use your intuition. All these stories today, whether it's healing your children, making decisions for your children, that instinct inside of us is so important. It's really the greatest diagnostic tool we have. We really know more than we realize and for those of us that, you know, stood firm, you know, and spoke the truth. You have to speak the truth. That's how we are seeing these changes, you know. In all walks of life, everywhere we are, we make a difference. Changing one life

truly just does, it creates a flow that shifts and changes the whole world. And you don't have to be you know, the CEO of a multi-billion-dollar company or a beauty pageant, you know, winner, though that certainly helps. You know what else would help? What if you were like a comedian that was world-renowned, like Woody Harrelson? Did you see what he just said this week on Saturday Live? Take a look at this. The last time I did S&L was around Thanksgiving, 2019, three years ago, and you would not believe

what happened after the show. I went walking in the greatest part of this city, Central Park, leaned against the tree, and started to read the craziest script. So the movie goes like this. The biggest drug cartels in the world get together and buy up all the media and all the politicians and force all the people in the world to stay locked in their homes, and people can only come out if they take the cartels drugs

and keep taking them. Over and over. I threw the script away. I mean, who is going to believe that crazy idea being forced to do drugs? I do that voluntarily all day long. An amazing moment on Saturday Live, virtual crickets. There was a much longer piece, and it took of a long time to get there. But I will tell you this, and I have said it, you know, behind the scenes here.

But once the comedians are on you, once the comedians are making fun of your size, or your position or your politics, it's game over, folks. This thing is game over. It is, you know, it's slowly dying out. They may try and come, you know, like the boy that cried wolf with another virus, but we're awake now. We have so many more people speaking out and speaking of comedians, another great comedian that has really been behind the scenes in this movement for a very

long time. Rob Schneider, he is going to be in studio next week on the high wire. This is a bucket list moment for me, folks. I have really appreciated Rob's work in California. When I first, he was before, before I ever got near this vaccine issue, I saw a video with him. I can't wait to talk to him about it. And he is being brave. He's touring around and doing material.

That is just as shocking as what you just saw from Woody Harrelson. But to all you guys, all you guys out there in Hollywood that, you know, we're slowly, you know, waking up to this or we're awake to it, but just hiding. Come out. It's time. Rob's there, Woody's there, how many the rest of you were there, let's make a difference. You make a difference. That is what this celebration is today. This thing is over.

The truth is coming out and as Robert Malone said, you know, ultimately truth is like a line. You just have to let it loose. It does the rest. Let it loose. Trust your intuition and celebrate yourself today all of you that spoke your truth under whatever circumstances and the difficulties. Embrace yourself. Get ready as those that accused you and ridiculed you and attacked you, especially those that love you. They want to come back around and they're going to have some questions. Let's be kind. Let's listen. It's not gloat. But let's remember it's going to take all of us to make sure this never, ever, ever happens again. That's what we're dedicated to here on the high wire. We're going to keep at it and I'll see you. you next week.