The Highwire with Del Bigtree - COVID COVER-UP

Episode Date: December 17, 2021

Firemen Fight for Freedom; British Mathematician Uncovers Disturbing UK Death Data; What is Wrong with Omicron?; Hospital Won’t Admit Tragic Vaccine Death?; Big Pharma’s Faithful Jumping ShipGUEST...S: Fireman John Knox, Prof. Norman Fenton, Gina Doane, Deb Conrad, PA-CBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-highwire-with-del-bigtree--3620606/support.

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Starting point is 00:00:15 Good morning, good afternoon, good evening, wherever you are out there in the world. It's time for us all to step out onto the high wire. This week here in the United States of America, we witnessed one of the worst, most devastating storms of all times. Tornadoes, it seemed like everywhere, tornadoes that touched down and stayed on the ground for over 200 miles passing through multiple states. This is what that looked like in the news. More than 50 people are feared dead after 24 tornadoes ripped through the central U.S. overnight. Large tornado, large tornado. Lots of debris in the air. The death toll rising, at least 88 lives lost across five states after the nation's deadliest tornado outbreak in more than a decade.
Starting point is 00:01:06 The worst tornado event in the history of our Commonwealth. Pulm after home reduced to piles of wood. Trees sheared over. off, cars thrown everywhere. The entire neighborhood gone. Maybe weeks before we have final counts on both deaths and levels of destruction. It was extremely scary and I fell in a very awkward position. My back was against the wall. I did not think I was going to make it at all. I couldn't move my legs. And with the help of the firemen, we were able to get out. We're grateful to our first responders who were there all through the evening out in the storm itself, showing incredible heroism. and they are still at work.
Starting point is 00:01:49 Just an incredibly horrific scene there. It's hard to imagine what the people went through that were experiencing those tornadoes. So our hearts go out to all of those families that are displaced, all of those loved ones that have been lost and a prayer for those that might still be found. But as I was watching that devastation, you know, I thought about an interview and something that I've actually heard Mr. Rogers say. When we're talking about those firefighters at the end, those front line, you know, reaction response teams, this is something that Mr. Rogers had to say, I think, is quite pertinent. You know, my mother used to say a long time ago, whenever there would be any really catastrophe that was in the movies or on the air,
Starting point is 00:02:44 she would say always look for the helpers there were there will always be helpers you know even just on the sidelines that's why I think that if news programs could make a conscious effort of showing rescue teams of showing who medical people anybody who is coming into a place where there's a tragedy to be to be sure that they include that because if you look for the helpers you'll know that there's hope it's such an important point in the middle of devastation there are always those heroes that rush in the charge in I lived in New York City when 9-11 happened and witnessed heroes like I've never seen and the world witnessed that I've also had the
Starting point is 00:03:39 personal experience of being in multiple fire situations but most recently when we lost our home in the Woolsey fires in California. This was me visiting our home. I evacuated my son. My wife is out of town just literally minutes. I think my neighbor said that my house was engulfed in flames about 30 minutes after we evacuated our home. So I have some sense of what it is to be in the middle of a destructive situation. I also know what type of heroes they are that charge in to try and rescue your home, rescue the things that you've lost, the firefighters and the police officers that are there. And so when we think about these moments, when we think about huge storms and the devastation
Starting point is 00:04:26 that can take place, and when we think about our nation and being one of the greatest nations in the world that we have this incredible system that takes care of us, you know, I thought as I was watching the tornado, are we really taking care of our firefighters that are charging in or are we doing harm? And, you know, as I was just in California, I was talking to some firefighters there whose jobs are now on the line because they will not comply. First responders face termination as vaccine mandates go into effect. This is so horrifying, column to anti-vax firefighters, bye-bye. Now let's build back better at the LAFD.
Starting point is 00:05:06 That's the attitude of a journalist that I'm sure has never charged into a fire to save women. and children, I would rather listen to those that have, including our next guest, John Knox. This is his work in the news, trying to defend the position, not just of himself, but many, many firefighters across California whose jobs are hanging in the balance. Take a look at this. Hundreds of Los Angeles firefighters and police officers are challenging an ordinance requiring all city employees to be fully vaccinated by October. Dozens of Los Angeles firefighters protested those vaccine mandates outside. City Hall today. Among the crowd today was Los Angeles City firefighter John Knox, a leader for
Starting point is 00:05:48 firefighters for freedoms. Why don't you want to get vaccinated? It's not necessarily whether I want to get vaccinated or not. The point that we're bringing to the table here is that we should have a choice in the matter. This was mandated by the city and we feel that that's absolutely unconstitutional, both federally and at the state level. But arguably, you already do put some vaccines in your body because in order to become a firefighter to work for the city of Los Angeles, there are some vaccine requirements. MMR, measles, mumps, rebella. That's what that stands for, of course. So you have those shots. What's the difference between those shots and the COVID-19 vaccine? Those shots I had when I was a child. And at this point in my life, as an adult, I have the ability to make that decision for myself.
Starting point is 00:06:33 So it's constitutional for you to get it as a kid and be forced to do that to go to public school, but not to work as an adult? You're forcing me at this point to take an experimental drug. This is under emergency use authorization. There's 170. It's not so. The Pfizer vaccine is not under emergency use authorization anymore. Actually it is. Comerity was approved, okay, not biotech and comerity, and it's not manufactured here in the U.S.
Starting point is 00:06:58 So if you're going to say that, then you need to be correct. And for people who are watching tonight and who say, I am concerned if you come to me and you come to my aid and you aren't vaccinated. vaccinated, you say. I say for the past 20 months, we've come to you unvaccinated. And now all of a sudden in the past 30 days, we're so dangerous that you're willing to fire us. Not only as a firefighter, he's obviously very well educated and well spoken on the topic of the community vaccine that is not available in the United States of America, correctly stated. It's my honor and pleasure to be joined it now by John Knox, one of the leading voices for firefighters for freedom. So what is the status now?
Starting point is 00:07:42 How long till you risk, you know, not being able to do your job? Well, thanks for having me here, Dale. Super great to see you again. The status currently right now is that I am not able to do my job. Myself and approximately 200 other firefighters for the city of Los Angeles at this time have been relieved of duty, no pay, pending termination at this point for fighting back against these unconstitutional mandates. Wow. That's that's it's incredible to hear that. And you know, I think right now as the news is
Starting point is 00:08:24 just reverberating with, you know, defund the police and now we have crime levels all across the country. I just imagine what we do if we start losing firefighters. We're going to start hearing about more deaths and destruction during cataclysmic events like fires, like hurricanes, like tornadoes. And what, you know, what if any reality are they giving you? I mean, do you have a union that's fighting for you? What, you know, who do you have on your side? Well, we do have a union.
Starting point is 00:08:58 And they have made some motions and done some things that so far have not benefited us. So when this whole mandate came down, we created a agreement. group, an organization, a foundation called Firefighters for Freedom, and we are the front line at this point. We have a board of directors of about 11, and we put together a legal team that includes Scott Street, John Howard, and Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and we filed several suits against the city of Los Angeles, the first being on the unconstitutionality and the poor science of the mandates. And also, then after we started getting a lot of pushback coercion harassment intimidation we also filed a punitive damages suit for 2.1 billion dollars against the city of los angeles wow so you know
Starting point is 00:09:57 go ahead what's been the response to that yep uh the response to that you know i think that got their attention um and we were originally supposed to be terminated october 20th that day came and went and they pushed the date back to December 18th. You know, their original statement that the safest way to protect the public and the workforce was to vaccinate. And we know that that's not correct. And that's one of the reasons we push back at this. And so since we were such an imminent danger and threat to the public, they pushed that date out two months to December 18th. Since that time, we've been battling against them.
Starting point is 00:10:42 And as of December 1st, they put about 200 of us off, leave no pay pending termination. And so that's where we stand now. We have a court case on the 20th, but they're moving forward with termination at this point. As we all sit and watch the news now, obviously the vaccine apparently is a complete disaster. We're going to get really deep into the, in our show coming up here on Amacron, the fact that it's mostly vaccinated. They're suffering from this. We're moving into third boosters. That may be the mandate within weeks, if not months.
Starting point is 00:11:18 Israel's moved into a fourth booster shot. They're just a little bit ahead of us. I'm sure you are making all of these arguments. How is this conversation amongst other firefighters, those that have been vaccinated? Do you have support or is there a divide now? Because, I mean, firefighters, you're such a brother. You know, what is it, what is that like? What is that, you know? It definitely is a brotherhood. And, you know, I've never in the 21 years that I've been with the Los Angeles City Fire Department, I've never seen morale as low as I have at this time. You know, we have about 900 members that are in our lawsuit. And we have both vaccinated and unvaccinated in there. You know, we're not a, we're apolitical. This isn't a left versus a right issue. This isn't vaccinated versus. is unvaccinated issue. What we brought to the table is the fact that this is a human rights,
Starting point is 00:12:09 a civil rights issue. This is about freedom of choice in this country. And whether you're vaccinated or not, if you're vaccinated, you know, we do have members that got vaccinated, whether they wanted to do it themselves, which I applaud them. If that's what they want to do, that's their choice, and they do that. But if you were forced under coercion and duress for loss of your job to get that, you know, that's very frustrating and aggravating. A lot of words that I just don't even want to use. But to that point, you know, even the person that's vaccinated or that got forced to get that vaccination, we're standing fighting for their rights as well because as we know, you know, these mandates include all the boosters. And this is a.
Starting point is 00:12:56 a slippery slope. This just will continue to go. And now you're going to get a shot every three months, six months, every month at some point. And if you don't want to do that, you shouldn't have to do that. And so that's what we're fighting for. Is that right? You know, so. You know, there's a lot of us that, you know, have jobs where I don't think, you know, we focus on our health very much. We sit at desks and things like that. But as firefighters, is your health something that you would say you're more conscious of, given that, you know, you have to carry people out of buildings or does this tend to be something that no one's paying attention to? Our job is very strenuous and you know so I mean most of us are in good shape.
Starting point is 00:13:39 We take care of our health. You know, we do 24-hour shifts so we really have to think about mental health. We have to think about physical health, you know, what we put into our bodies to perform that. I mean, the leading cause of death in firefighters is heart attack. which is pretty crazy when you think about, you know, what has been proven and shown in the science with these shots, you know, that they're forcing us to get these now. And we're seeing, you know, myocarditis, paracarditis, heart attacks, all these things. Yeah. And so why would you take a career of individuals that are generally healthy, look out for themselves, and ask them to subject themselves to an even higher increase in heart attacks, stroke, and neurological issues? It's a really great point. What is your biggest concern with the vaccine? Why do you find yourself in the position? Is it just a rights issue or the slippery slope? What do you think is you when you talk to a firefighter for the first time asking you why you involved in this? What is that conversation? How does that start?
Starting point is 00:14:45 I mean, I have my own personal beliefs and I can talk about that for hours. But our organization and our group and what we're really focused on is. is the constitutionality of this, our right to, I mean, in the state of California, we have the strongest constitution of all 50 states. And it outlines in their Article I section one of the California constitution that we have right to privacy and that's one of the big issues. We also have body autonomy issues in there.
Starting point is 00:15:16 The state, I mean, has been the gold standard for this state has been my body, my choice since 1973. And I'm not asking to take a life or do anything like that. I'm just saying, I want the ability to make the choice of what I put into my body. Because, right? I mean, as Americans, as people on this earth, the only thing that we really own is our body. And the minute you abdicate your sovereignty to a mandate and let the bureaucracy or the federal government dictate your health care and what you can and can't do to your body, you own nothing.
Starting point is 00:15:52 You're a slave at that point. So to me, the number one issue is our liberty and maintaining that. Absolutely. I couldn't agree more. I just want to put out there, you know, not that you're doing a brilliant job in the news, but next time they talk about you putting someone at risk when you're going to save them, I would just throw in there and I think it's important since the news doesn't seem to be covering it, that this vaccine only purports to reduce symptoms.
Starting point is 00:16:17 It does not stop my infection. It does not stop my transmission. therefore I do not protect anybody by taking this vaccine. And so an unvaccinated person, firefighters, the same as a vaccinated firefighter when it comes to transmission in people that we're taking care of. I know you know that, but I think it's really important that we slip that into the news
Starting point is 00:16:36 because these news anchors seem incapable of wrapping their heads around that concept, even though Tony Fauci and, you know, the rest of them say it over and over again, obviously filled with a lot of other words. But look, we want to help you with this fight. We have a dedicated audience here. How do we help you?
Starting point is 00:16:55 What's the best way to assist you so that we can make sure that you have what you need to win this lawsuit? You know, we have a couple different ways right now. We have, you can go to our webpage at Firefighters, the number for Freedom.org, firefighters for freedom.org. Okay. There you go. And there's two buttons there. The top one donates to our legal and operational funds.
Starting point is 00:17:18 And then we just started a campaign, the hold the line campaign, and all the monies for that, 95% of that plus goes to helping the firefighters that have been placed off duty leave no pay at this point so that they can hold the line and continue to fight, you know, pay their bills. It's the holiday season. It's really a hard time. And we also have gear, you know, on our site as well. You can go, you know, we have shirts, hats, all kinds of things to support the movement and get it out there and let people know that. We're fighting for them, you know. This is for the freedom of our country, really is. Yeah, you fought for our safety.
Starting point is 00:17:55 You're always there. Here it is. This is the fundraising page if you want to go there. Firefighters for freedom on Gifts and Go. Remember, Gifts Send Go is who we really recommend now, since the other sites are, you know, censoring and blocking funds. Giftsend Go is a great new opportunity. Obviously, you guys are using it, Firefighters for Freedom.
Starting point is 00:18:18 Look, John, I just want to thank you for all of those lives that you've saved throughout your career and all the lives you're saving by bringing the truth. I know that we will get through this. The people that are pushing these draconian laws and taking away our rights, they will not age well in history. You, on the other hand, I would like to say not only a hero for the work that you do, but for standing up. And so I want you to know the high wire stands with you. And I hope that those that are watching right now will go out and really take care of these guys. Once again, every win that we have in every sector, whether it's firefighters, police officers, nurses, doctors, any employee out there, every win chisels away at this.
Starting point is 00:19:00 It's why we're getting more and more exciting headlines showing that the nation is turning on this vaccine mandate. And so we stand with you. And I want to just to thank you for your time, your energy, and keep up the good work. Bill, thank you very much. You guys have a fantastic day and everybody have a Merry Christmas. Thank you. Thank you. Take care. I mean, can you imagine, you know, putting firefighters on no pay over the holidays? These guys have been there for us through all of COVID rushing in, taking care of us no matter what, whatever fire, whatever flood, whatever situation. And now it's the holidays and we're denying them pay. I mean, these people that make decisions like this really are the worst. of the worst. But let's talk about the best of the best because I got some great stuff coming up in the show. I'm going to be talking to Professor Norman Fenton, who has, I think, perhaps discovered where they're hiding the vaccine deaths. This is something that we've been talking about. They keep calling it a pandemic of the unvaccinated, but something's not adding up. And then I'm
Starting point is 00:20:03 going to talk to Gina, who's a woman who lost her father. And the circumstances around his death will leave you shocked. And also, the Vares whistleblowers joining us to talk about that story, Deborah Conrad. So a huge show coming up. But first, it's time for The Jackson Report. All right, Jeffrey, what's going on in the world today? Well, Del, looking at these headlines, we reported on this quite a bit, so of so many other people.
Starting point is 00:20:39 And these are what the headlines are looking like now. Let's start with the kids. We knew this pandemic was taking a toll on the kids, but these are the regular headlines now. Kids growing up in the COVID-19 area are damaged. This is an opinion piece out of the New York Post, but it goes even further here. This is the Daily Mail. Speaking of face mask, COVID rules are blamed for 23% dive in young children's development.
Starting point is 00:21:00 There's a, it's called a disturbing study, shows scores in three key cognitive tests slumped between 2018 and 2021 with face mask rules among possible culprits. And it says in this article, and this study, the report that the report found that there were 23% drop in scores measuring kids' intelligence quotas since the start of the pandemic. It also found similar dips in the same span in regards to developing children's ability to communicate both verbally and through subtle facial cues. Now, interesting, verbally, what's on their mouth that would maybe hinder them verbally? Well, could it be a mask? Now, the study doesn't go on to say directly masks cause this, but it does say that this is what's happening. These kids are not able to communicate
Starting point is 00:21:41 properly. They're not able to see the facial cues of parents, of teachers. So you can only take a leap to show what's going on here, really. But speaking of math. 23% drop in these scores is massive. I mean, that is gigantic. You know, if you just think of like a scoring system, that moves you out of an A into a C at best, if not, you know. And so to imagine, you know, this drop in our education system. And then you think about how does, what does that lead to in their future careers and the ability to get jobs? and then how many of them will fall off and not be able to get jobs, fall into a poverty space, will end up dying.
Starting point is 00:22:17 I mean, you know, I would love to see sort of the life years lost how they rate that. When we think about this level of a cognitive drop in an entire population of children, the ramifications with which we'll probably only start witnessing, you know, 15 years from now. I mean, just really, really shocking that, and we've made this point over and over and over again, as have other people with working brain cells. But somehow this is lost in the government, the United States, and the other governments of the world. Right.
Starting point is 00:22:49 And the reason I'm starting out talking about these headlines is because public health officials and governments and mayors and whoever pulling the strings here in states and across the country are doing this again. So let's look at New York, one of the first places to do it because of the Omicron variant apparently. This is what we're being told. So this is the New York.
Starting point is 00:23:10 mandate. That began this week. New York State indoor mask mandate begins Monday. If not enforced, business owners may be fined $1,000. California is doing the same thing. California announced indoor mask mandate regardless of vaccination status. We're going to get to the vaccine in a second here. And then even where you are, Austin, as Amacron arrives in the area, Austin and Travis County extend COVID restrictions. They reauthorized a mandate for anyone on a campus of a public school ages two and over. That's that's public charter schools. That's public colleges. Now, there's going to be a battle there because Abbott has an executive order that's, you know, going back and forth in court on this. But still, with all of the data that we know, this is not science driven.
Starting point is 00:23:52 But what's really interesting here, this is kind of the silver lining on these reports is just after Kathy Hochle in New York instigated this mass mandate, you saw county after county after county, after County disobeying and say they will not enforce. And we've been tracking it all week. So let's just run through these headlines. Livingston County, Livingston, Ontario counties will not enforce new mass mandate. We have Onondaga County won't enforce new state mass mandate until businesses learn rules. Incoming, NASA County Executive won't enforce Hockel's new mass mandate.
Starting point is 00:24:26 And even our friend Ed Day from the 2019 measles outbreak, mandating shots on kids, even him, Rockland County Executive, Ed Day won't force mass mandate. It's really great to see. Let's be clear. You didn't mandate shots on kids. He mandated the measles vaccine on the Hasidic Jewish community, banning them from their own synagogues or, you know, walking down the street.
Starting point is 00:24:49 They can be fined walking down the street without a measles vaccine. So to think that that guy, even this is going too far with the mass mandates, it gives you a sense of the change in the culture of this conversation, for sure. Absolutely. And just wrapping this up, we have now, now this number is still increasing. So this could go up. We're going to track this. But right now, we have a quarter of New York counties refused to become mask police despite Hocal mandate, New York Post. So this is where we're at right now. And even Pennsylvania is getting in. There's a court ruling that just happened in Pennsylvania. Top Pennsylvania court kills required school mask mandate for students. And you can see here, this mask, this mass conversation is kind of like a miniature battleground here representing this greater. restriction push that's coming in. And even the CEOs, we've covered the CEOs of the airlines,
Starting point is 00:25:42 but they started kind of piping up a little bit at a Senate meeting. And this is what the headline look like. Two major airlines CEOs question the need for masks on planes. That's American Airlines, Doug Parker and Southwest Airlines, Gary Kelly. Gary Kelly said, I don't think the case is very strong that masks add much in, if anything, to the air cabin environment. Now, he was also saying he kind of walk that back afterwards you was saying well it's because we have such great hepa filtration systems we have a great air exchange system but he did he did say that and it's interesting because both these CEOs obviously i fly like crazy uh to get out to all these events i go to every single weekend but as i sit there and some of them are really intense the fact southwest has been one of the more intense ones with
Starting point is 00:26:24 the you know if they catch you like not putting your mask on wall chewing which you know you you used to get away like munching on a pretzel now they're like all over you you know if you don't pull your mask right up, you know, while like, you know, doing this dance. But, you know, the point is that they do have the biggest filter systems. I mean, there's literally filters sucking the air from all around you. And if that, you know, makes a difference or not, the point is, is we're all sitting side by side. If you take it down for two seconds, that air is out there. I mean, whatever's going to happen is going to happen. And I think that they're making a great point. And by the way, show us the data, show us the science.
Starting point is 00:27:00 We have shown, you know, I think nearly what, 15 or 20 different studies now that show that the masks aren't doing anything except, you know, mostly harming us. And the CDC has yet to really put forward a credible solid study that gives us more than like a one percentage point gain, which isn't worth all of the trials and tribulations we have wearing these masks. So, you know, this whole thing just seems to be here to demoralize this more than to actually make us healthy. Right. And let's switch gears here and talk about the vaccine. I've been waiting to report on this with you all week. This story is rolling really fast. I'd say it's one of the most important stories in the world minus all these restrictions coming down. But it ties in with it really well. And to start this segment off, this is a headline that I don't think we ever thought we'd see. The Atlantic, the pandemic of the vaccinated is here. What? All right. Okay. So let's break this down. Let's go state by state, county by county.
Starting point is 00:27:57 country by country. So the United States, most reported U.S. Omicron cases have hit the fully vaccinated. Who says this? The CDC says this. Let's look. This was in their MMWR, that CDC's weekly report. This was from the beginning of December when this thing started running. And it says here, among these cases of COVID-19 attributed to the Omicron variant, 34, 79, it accounts for 79% occurred in persons who completed the primary series of an FDA authorized or approved COVID-19 vaccine, greater than or equal to 14 days before symptom onset or receipt of a positive SARS-CoV-2 test results, including 14 who had received an additional booster dose. That is what we're looking at here in the United States.
Starting point is 00:28:41 I mean, if you think about it too, I want people to just cue in on that. Just bring that up really quickly. I'm going to make this point over and over again, and we'll get into a little bit more detail later. But they are talking about these cases all got infected equal to or more than 14 days after the second shot. which means everyone before that point all of the people that were waiting for that first month after their first shot in the first 13 days of their second shot anyone who got sick there guess what column they're in they're in the unvaccinated column you know it doesn't matter that they might have been you know have their immune system being beat up by the vaccines they try and mount some sort of defense but there it is we see it over and over and over again this 14 days after the second shot well what happens before that well what happens before that is we call you unvaccinated I just want to make that clear that But these are huge numbers. 79%. I mean, that clearly is a pandemic of the vaccinated.
Starting point is 00:29:34 Right. And again, 94% effective, we were told. Right. High 90s. When these shots first came out, remember that. So let's look overseas. This is, I believe, the telegraph. Amacron wave driven by young, healthy, vaccinated population.
Starting point is 00:29:47 It says here in the article, the Omicron epidemic is being driven by young vaccinated people according to mounting data from countries as diverse as the UK, Denmark, and South Africa. It goes on to say, data from Denmark, a world leader in genetic sequencing shows that of 3,437 Ammocrine cases detected, just over 70% have been among those younger than 40, according to the breakdown from the Staten Cerm Institute published on Monday. So here we have young kids really taking the brunt of this wave, but we're being told also they're mild cases. Right, but I mean, I want to point out here, though, what's interesting is if you're talking about the younger people, They weren't approved right up front, right? In many of these countries, America everywhere, the first people we vaccinated were the elderly.
Starting point is 00:30:32 So if it was about the vaccine sort of wearing off, you could say, well, then certainly we would be seeing Omicron and the elderly. That is not the case. These are the newly vaccinated. This means this is an instant sort of failure with Amacron, which is really fascinating, right? If it's below 40, these people probably got the vaccine within the last six months, not a year ago. And we're seeing a reflection of real world data on this. This was just yesterday, and this story is being added. to in the moment here. So this is a Cornell University. Cornell shuts down its Ithaca campus
Starting point is 00:31:02 after significant signs of Ammocram variant found. Now listen to this quote, virtually every case of the Amicron variant to date has been found in fully vaccinated students, a portion of whom had also received a booster shot. We have not seen evidence of significant disease in our students to date. This is Joe Molina. That's Cornell's Vice President for University Relations. Now, just before we went live, Georgetown, George Washington, NYU, Princeton. They're all joining Cornell and shutting down their campuses, moving their finals to online, and canceling all in-person events on campus. Now, understand what this means.
Starting point is 00:31:39 When we're talking about these vaccines that are failing this spectacularly in the face of this variant, green passes, super green passes, vaccine passports, whatever we're going to call them, invalid, mandatory COVID vaccines for the age, for region, invalid, locking down unvaccinated, like they're doing in Germany and Austria, totally unscientific at this point. So where are we at? And why are we still doing this? Well, perhaps it's because people are watching The View. And the host there, Sonny Hosten, she's one of the co-hosts, The View.
Starting point is 00:32:10 She's a lawyer, journalist, obviously a television co-host there. This is what she had to say when the Omicron was just starting out. Listen to this. Okay. It was interesting to me that the argument was being made. If you're vaccinated, why do you care about? me being vaccinated, you're protected. And that's why we are at the Omarion, Omicron variant, right? That's why we are where we are, because it's mutating. It's becoming this crazy superbug
Starting point is 00:32:39 inside of the people that aren't vaccinated. And now it's affecting us. It's just something about how that's delivered, as though I'm supposed to trust you as you're making like googly eyes, you know, searching for the correct word of what this thing's called. Certainly you're someone I want to be, you know, listening to. But obviously she's had a couple drinks with a doctor, I'm sure, at some evening. And they shared that it's the vaccinated, they're spreading this. But, I mean, the unvaccinated, but nothing could be further from the truth, right? I mean, if we're seeing only the vaccinated carrying it, it's only coming from other nations
Starting point is 00:33:14 in on planes amongst the vaccine, because the only ones allowed to fly. So it's really, and we've talked about this over and over again, but there's even more science now, isn't there? Yeah, well, while we're waiting for Sunny to show us the science, let's look at some science right here. This is a new article that came out. Mechanisms of SARS-CoB2 evolution revealing vaccine-resistant mutations in Europe and America. What did the authors find? They said by tracking the evolutionary trajectories of vaccine-resistant mutations in more than 2.2 million SARS-CoV2 genomes, we reveal that the occurrence and frequency of vaccine-resistant mutations correlate strongly
Starting point is 00:33:49 with the vaccination rates in Europe and America. And this is a good time to remind people about three to four weeks ago, we covered a study looking at the Delta variant running through San Francisco Bay Area. There it is right there. Antibati-resistant SARS-CoV-2 variants in vaccine breakthrough cases from the San Francisco Bay Area. They said, we analyze SARS-CoV-2 whole genome sequences and viral loads from 1,000, 373 persons was COVID-19 from the San Francisco Bay Area. This was from February 1st to June 30th, 2021. That was when the Delta was really ramping up, of which 125, that's 9.1% were vaccine
Starting point is 00:34:27 breakthrough infections, fully vaccinated, were more likely than unvaccinated persons to be infected by variants carrying mutations associated with decreased antibody neutralization. There it is. That's another really clear, because that can be confusing. They were looking at people that got infected and the unvaccinated tended to carry the Wuhan strain, the alpha strain, but the mutated strains were more common amongst the vaccinated, meaning they were the ones harboring the mutations, whereas the unvaccinated seemed to not carry those mutations. So the opposite, really, of what was just stated on the view. And we talked about this. Geert Van der Bosch keeps talking about this. If you have a leaky vaccine, if you have a vaccine that is
Starting point is 00:35:10 incapable of neutralizing the virus, which this is, and then you use that vaccine while you're under attack by the virus during a pandemic, which has never done before. You're not mounting a proper response. And so now what is pressuring that mutation to take place are the vaccinated. And then we're vaccinating the entire world at the same time, putting massive pressure on these viruses. And to be clear, when a naturally healthy, unvaccinated person comes in contact with any variant, their body sets out to neutralize and kill that thing dead. They may shed a little bit, but they're going to shed every variant that's there, not just selectively take out the easy ones and leave the dangerous ones behind. And so, but a natural immune system kills it dead, has a memory and so far as we
Starting point is 00:35:54 know has lifelong immunity, but it's certainly the life of this pandemic. Everyone that caught this thing is still immune. So that is what is, you know, that's how you neutralize a virus. That's how you make sure it doesn't mutate is by not vaccine letting natural immunity run its course. But that seems to be lost on people like lawyers and talk show host of the views. Well, let's speak to the mutation. Let's look at this mutation from the Amicron variant. So we have an image here and there's there's three sections here. So at top you have the wild type in the middle you have the delta. And at the bottom is the Omicron.
Starting point is 00:36:30 And you can see all those little lit up sections with colors. This is a map of the mutation on the structure. Those little dots are like the things that changed from the original wild type, like a special gain, gain of function really, right? It's gained some function in those. Look at Amacron, though. It's lit up like you said, like a Christmas tree. Yeah, and they're at the top.
Starting point is 00:36:53 So it was described that at the top of the spike in the regions that are exposed to the neutralizing antibodies. So that's what these vaccines are really delivering, but they're only delivering. Remember, to the original strain. So you're having all of these changes to the spike. And there's a lot of research out there now that's starting to show that they're not recognizing these new mutations. But this is a really interesting article here because this is another avenue with this story. NPR wrote this article recently and they asked, where did it come from?
Starting point is 00:37:24 The mystery of where Amicron came from and why it matters. So here we go again. I mean, it's like Groundhogs Day, like January 2020, where we still don't, you know, officially know, it's not officially admitted where the original strain came from. And now this thing is, it kind of comes onto the scene with all of these mutations and people are saying, well, what the heck is going on? Where did it come from? So there's a lot of speculation there. People can read that article. There's a couple of theories that are giving there. But even those theories, they're saying a lot of them are really implausible. So on Twitter, this was an interesting thread that was
Starting point is 00:37:58 going back and forth on Twitter from a scientist. And it kind of throws a lot of information into really succinct position here. So it says here, so to sum up, SARS-2 Omicron genome looks like it was separated, frozen between June 2020 and late summer 2021. This has never before been seen in nature, only in lab-leaked pandemics. Now, it goes on to say, SARS-2 Omicron has a 25-1 ratio of non-sononymous synonymous mutation ratios. Now, what that is right there, before we go any further, it says this ratio is used to estimate. the selection pressure on it. So he goes on to say natural evolution, natural selection pressure, so to speak, would result in a 25 to 30 or a 25 to 100 ratio, though. He goes on to say the only
Starting point is 00:38:44 logical explanation here is targeted manipulation. And finally, he ends up saying no SARS two Omicron predecessors have been detected between June 2020 and fall 2021, despite their supposedly already higher infectivity. So in this time, a single isolated patient bred more mutations, the more than 100 million others survive continuous infection and complete isolation. What he's saying there? There's a lot of things he's saying there right now. But basically this thing just popped on the scene. So it had some links to its predecessors way back in 2020 in June. So it looks. So this amacrom looks much more like the virus back in 2020, the original Wuhan strain than it does look like the Delta or any of the others. So he's saying we don't see this evolution
Starting point is 00:39:33 much like the original conversation about the bat coronavirus, right? You had people saying, look, we study bats. We're watching the coronavirus. We would have seen it gain these like 10 to 13 or 15, you know, new functions. We would have seen an evolution where, oh, look, here's one that has two new functions. And then six new functions. It looks like it's turning into a bad guy. But we don't see that.
Starting point is 00:39:54 It was just this giant jump. And so what they're saying now is there appears to be a jump from a year ago in 2020 to this brand new Omicron variant. And the explanations are things like, was one person carrying this, didn't infect anyone else so it wasn't visible to anyone else, while it was mutating inside of them, staying alive, infecting them for over a year and mutating the way they would if 100 million people had been mutating the virus? I mean, that's crazy. Right. Right. And another explanation they hypothesized that this thing maybe jumped out into some animal reservoir that no one knew about and then came back into the human reservoir. but they said that's that probably not going to happen because we have no information genetic information
Starting point is 00:40:37 from other animals in this to suggest that or or is in a place that they were not tracking and it just went to this place they weren't tracking and they suggest maybe a place in south africa without great testing and tracing and then it came back to the you know it became more transmissible and jumped out of there but they said even then that you would have seen a stepped transmissibility and it would of it wouldn't have just popped on the scene. So there's a genomic sequencing here that really tells this story about how fantastic this Omicron variant is when it comes out of nowhere. And it's a mutation using it's called G-SAD. It's an open access genomic database for coronavirus and flu viruses. And this animation basically starts showing that they have a lot of the, a lot of the mutations,
Starting point is 00:41:25 and then all of a sudden, this Amacron variant just comes in from the, from out of nowhere. and pops up on the scene like it is right now. And here it is right here. So you see all those mutations in the bottom. And then at the top, right at the end. Yep. It's just like someone's a slow burn and this comet comes out of the sky out of nowhere without any of those mutations.
Starting point is 00:41:44 And boom, right there at the top. That's where it's coming from. So a lot of questions, where the heck did this thing come from? Right. So right there at, what was that, September 2021? All of a sudden, bam, Omicron pops on. Let's watch it one more time so we can see how this is happening. So you see all of the evolution of all of these different variants.
Starting point is 00:42:03 They're tracking, they're slowly changing. We've gotten, they're gaining little functions here and there. But then 25 functions are added out of nowhere. Boom, there it is. It appears. And it is most similar to the very first variant all the way back there is not a part of this evolutionary shift, which, you know, I know no one's saying it, right? Everyone is so terrified to make the statement, but I don't work with fear.
Starting point is 00:42:29 I'm not down with it here on the high wire. Let me just put it out there. Certainly a theory that must be being considered right now and put onto the table would be the potential that this Omicron variant then could potentially be a lab-created virus. Right? I mean, that certainly it's Occam's Razor, right? Remember Occam's Razor, the simplest answer is true.
Starting point is 00:42:54 Something skips the evolutionary process. Maybe, as Occam's Razor states, with all things being equal, the simplest explanation tends to be the right one. So instead of trying to imagine perhaps an AIDS patient, which is how they described, maybe there was an AIDS patient that got infected, carried this virus longer than anything we've ever seen for over a year. Remember, what would have to happen is they would have to inside of them be incubating and having like 100 million mutations, you know, events inside of their body as though it was
Starting point is 00:43:24 out amongst 100 million people inside of their body. But the entire time they're doing that, they're not shedding. It's not spreading to anyone else. They're not giving it to anyone else. Somehow this variant is, you know, gaining all this ability. And then a whole year later it says, now I'm ready. And now I'm naturally going to jump out and start infecting people. I mean, look at that.
Starting point is 00:43:43 It's not a part of any of this evolutionary process amongst the scientists have been looking at it. And just like the original strain pops into a fish market boom. There we are. Look, just because I know tomorrow I'm going to get. fact-checked by, you know, New York Times, Washington Post, NewsGuard, Facebook, whatever, you know, whoever wants to attack us, let me make this perfectly clear. This is a theory amongst scientists that are all scratching their heads saying we cannot figure out what's happening. They all have, you know, you have to remember, these scientists risk losing their
Starting point is 00:44:16 jobs at their universities because their university funding is being controlled by a guy named Tony Fauci inside of NIH. And so if they go against the narrative, then they're in trouble. So they say lots of things like we can't figure out what's going on here. It certainly looks most similar to the virus that was over a year ago, but we don't know why that would be. We can make up some real cockamamie answers that then and then say at the end of it, but that doesn't really make sense. So here at the high wire, let's just do their work for them. What they're saying, folks, is that the most logical theory right now, and it will still be a theory until proven otherwise, is this came from a lab. So now we've got to ask ourselves, Jeffrey
Starting point is 00:44:57 If we're going to go ahead and take on that thought, let's just take it off for a second. Let's have fun with it, shall we? The question would be why, right? And I know I'm throwing this on you. We're just going to lay it out and say, let's just remember, folks, we have to be so careful and airtight here on the high wire. We want to make sure that you don't go out talking about anything you can't prove. So let me be perfectly clear.
Starting point is 00:45:16 We don't have proof of anything except multiple scientists not understanding Omicron, right? So what we're doing is theorizing here. So let's speculate for a second, shall we? Let's say this did come from a laboratory. Now the question then is there's only two questions that remain. Was it accidental if it's released or was it on purpose if it was released? And so let's go ahead and go with that total, you know, in that sort of conspiracy theory zone. Why would it be released on purpose?
Starting point is 00:45:40 You know, why would they release something like this on purpose that is totally gets around the vaccine? So it makes the vaccine look terrible. But on the other hand, it really is very mild so far as we can tell, very low death rate compared to Delta and I think even Alpha. So it seems to be much less deadly, but much more effective, right? It infects a lot more people. Right. Well, it's very interesting because it also just infects young people so far. This is still at the beginning of this. So we're not seeing. The very people you need to convince to get a vaccine right now, the ones that parents are all, the ones that are just holding out saying, we don't need it. Our kids aren't getting sick from the
Starting point is 00:46:23 original variant. It doesn't spread through the kids. That's an interesting point. So right, it's targeted at the young. And the original, remember the original reporting, it was running through nursing homes. It was running through older populations. The older population, 65 and older were all the people that prioritize for every vaccine rollout and every booster rollout. So you have young kids, mild cases, asymptomatic cases in most cases. And we're seeing it really start to aggressively take over the variant, the dominating strain variant. We're seeing that in South Africa now. We were told it was first seen.
Starting point is 00:47:01 So we're seeing this thing take over. You know, that's a really great question. But I think the big, also the other couple elephants in the room is getting packed in here. The vaccine is not stopping this thing. Let's just say, I mean, since we're saying it, we don't worry about the sensors. It's pandemic and the vaccinated. The vaccine's not stopping this thing. People that are vaccinated are getting this thing at a very high rate.
Starting point is 00:47:23 We're talking 75%, 80%, that's a C plus, a B, if you're in school. And all of these restrictions that are being raced into right now, we're on kind of like a theory at the beginning. Oh, we found this thing, it mutated really fast. And let's not wait for it to run through our populations. Let's lock down. Well, the lockdown started, and this thing turns out to be targeting the vaccinated. So it's making all these people that push these lockdowns look a little foolish,
Starting point is 00:47:48 kind of authoritarian. And it's pointless, not science driven at all. So what the heck is that? that about? You know, I was thinking to myself earlier this week as I was watching Omnicron. I was thinking, you know, what if this is a gift from God? What if this is our get out of jail free card, right? You have a much more infectious virus right now. It's gained this ability to infect, it appears to be everybody that was vaccinated. I would assume the unvaccinated will catch this thing too on some level, but it's super mild. So in many ways, our get out of jail free card is
Starting point is 00:48:19 just let this thing go. Let it run. Stop pressuring it. Let's get on, you know, Geert Band and Bush is trained here and pull back, pull back all the pressure. The one thing we do not want to do right now is pressure Omicron, because what it has is an incredibly highly, you know, infectious. It is contagious as all get out, is anything we've seen. So the last thing we want to do is see it become deadly. If it becomes deadly and is getting around all the vaccines, you really have a problem. So we've got this amazing moment where we could just back off and say, hey, look, everybody that's not,
Starting point is 00:48:51 you know, over the age of 65 and suffer. from cancer and diabetes and multiple, you know, like all the multiple comorbidities you could be, you know, the rest of us can probably handle this thing. This could be that reset in our bodies. Maybe if you were vaccinated and you catch this, you're, you know, you'll have a natural immune, and you'll get that sort of those natural immune antibodies, hopefully that the vaccine doesn't interfere with. You'll probably get sick a little bit. But then now you've got, I would think, a more robust immune system. So now leave it alone. Don't get another booster. Just stick with that, since it's probably going to everybody and then the rest of us that still haven't caught it or unvaccinated, maybe we'll
Starting point is 00:49:27 have that innate immune response that we've talked about so much on the show where you won't even feel it, great. And those that you don't do, catch it, do become symptomatic. This thing could really reset it and we could be out, right? And that's where the thinking is, then as I started looking at this information thinking, if they released it on purpose, and let's say it's the same people and they're doing this on purpose, why would they, you know, maybe they're trying to fix their own error. Maybe they're trying to fix the error of the original lab escape.
Starting point is 00:49:53 Maybe they realize the vaccine isn't really working. And so I started running down that thought. So this would be a lab-created virus almost like fighting fire with fire. Like put it out that let's fight fire with fire. But here's where I run short with that point. Then why would they be telling us to still get boosters? Why are they telling us to still vaccinate? I mean, why not just let this thing go?
Starting point is 00:50:13 I think they've got to be recognizing more and more scientists every single week are jumping on Geert Band and Bosch's bandwagon saying, Whoa, whoa, we are pressuring this thing too much. We've never seen anything like this. Anyway. Right. And yeah, the vaccine is, as we know, just to recap, the vaccine is pressuring these vaccine-resistant mutations. So the studies are now showing this.
Starting point is 00:50:34 And they're still inoculating. It's not a variant specific. They're still inoculating with the original strain. So this is continually training the immune system to go over that strain and not allowing it to really gain fitness to look at all. the rest of the variants out there and kind of adapt and overcome those. You know, and you would think there if it was really like the bad, right, I'm running out there with like where conspiracies, where the conspiracies tend to go, you would have to imagine if they were going to release an Omicron variant in order to try and sort of end this
Starting point is 00:51:07 pandemic, use a mild version before we get, you know, too deadly to try and reset this, then they would at least make a vaccine for Amacron, right? Like say, oh, look, we have a specific vaccine we can deal with this, not be vaccinating you, with an obsolete vaccine for an obsolete virus. That's why none of this stuff adds up. I mean, no matter how we try, we sit. And I think it was, hopefully it was fun for the audience to see how we brainstorm on these things behind the scenes.
Starting point is 00:51:32 I don't like doing this in public because the news will report that we were saying that this was done on purpose by some bad actors who were trying to reset the blah, blah, blah, blah. No, we're speculating here, folks. We're having a little bit of fun. But let's put the fun aside. Here's what we do know.
Starting point is 00:51:46 What we do know is Amacron has a, ton of mutations that appear to happen out of nowhere. They are getting around the vaccinated. We, I mean, in the headlines we saw all week, tons of NFL football players. I think, I just heard that Broadway is shutting down in New York, multiple, you know, theaters there, all in the most vaccinated places in the world. So Amacron is laughing at the vaccine program right now. That I can report for sure. I have heard Amacron actually laughing. You can put my name on that, report that the New York Times. Ammocrine is laughing at this vaccine.
Starting point is 00:52:22 Jeffrey, thank you for your time. And by the way, have a beautiful holiday. We've been working on some shows to put out there, some really great stuff. But certainly give my best to you and yours. All right, you too, Del. Thank you. All right.
Starting point is 00:52:38 All right. Well, you know, we're working hard to bring you the truth when no one else is. I was just saying today, again, as we're looking at Amicron, I walked in and when you're reporting on something, usually you know you're getting some of it right. You're not going to get it all right. You know, we're in a world where things are constantly changing. But you have to assume with all the greatest minds that science has to offer and all of the vaccine makers in the world coming together and all the drug companies that there would be some positive benefit, that there would be something that they would be able to stand on the television and say, yay, we did it. Look how awesome this vaccine is.
Starting point is 00:53:15 Look how good it is at stopping infection. Look how good it is at stopping death. You know, look how good it is. I mean, none of this is happening. Every single week, we are unable to fit everything into the show to fit every single failure that we are witnessing with this vaccine program and this pandemic. They have never provided a decent mask study. They can't because every time they do a study, it shows that masks are harmful for your health
Starting point is 00:53:39 and do not stop the virus. Every time we look at their drugs like Remdesivir, we only see that they fail and they kill people and were kicked out of the Ebola trials. Every time we look at the vaccines that they're creating. Now we see Pfizer having to admit last week through FOIA requests that 1,200 deaths were reported to them just in the first two months. And now we know that Omicron literally newspapers that have attacked the high wire have attacked me personally are having to admit this is a pandemic of the vaccinated. Yet all of this time, the only place that seems to just be, you know, we're not like we're not driving like this down the road. We're not changing our tune. We're
Starting point is 00:54:15 We're not moving like the snake. I was just thinking about it. It's like a lot like Tony Fauci. Maybe he's onto something here, right? We're not moving like that. We have just been slowly just giving you the facts and drawing a straight line forward and that line keeps proving out. You're not getting it anywhere else in the world. You're not getting it from any other news station in the world, yet you're funding them. So I'm going to make a final hit here as we move into the holidays. I really could use your help. Man, we are going into the fight of our lives next year. I'm going to take a couple weeks off here to try and relax, get my breath, because I'm sure once January 1st hits, there will be a gunshot that goes off, and all the
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Starting point is 00:58:54 ridiculous statement, pandemic of the unvaccinated. This is what that looks like. Doctors call it a pandemic among the unvaccinated. I'm worried about the way the winter's going to go and I'm worried about the people who are unvaccinated. Pretty much everyone who's unvaccinated is going to expect to get sick. The hospital says the majority of their COVID-related deaths are among patients who are unvaccinated. About two-thirds of the patients that are there, either on oxygen or an ICU, are actually the unvaccinated. The real problem, I think, right now in this country, is that we need to vaccinate the unvaccinated. All right, you know, this is a, I mean, we've been showing you all of the
Starting point is 00:59:36 information coming out of Israel, you know, coming out of Gibraltar, these places that are far more vaccinated than we are. And where you look at those places, they're saying things like 60 to 80 percent of the people in our hospitals and those that are dying are vaccinated. So it's curious why the UK and America seem to have a different perspective on this. And we've been confused. You know, I've talked about we have different theories on what might be happening here. But it would be really great if someone could crunch the numbers. And where would you find it? If they're hiding the data or if they're accidentally somehow manipulating the data or missing data and putting, you know, the vaccinated deaths in the wrong column, how would you find it? Well, as it turns out,
Starting point is 01:00:17 we ran into a brilliant article that came out just over a week ago. This is the headline on that article. The latest statistics on England mortality data suggests systematic mis-categorization of vaccine status and uncertain effectiveness of COVID-19 vaccination. This is Norman Fenton, who has been studying this data. He is from the UK, a professor of risk information, but Norman Fenton has been putting out the data, looking at what we've talked about this before. We can look at COVID deaths, and we can look at COVID infections, and all of that we get PCR testing. It's very confusing, but certainly there'd be another way to look at it, and that way would be through all-cause mortality. I'm joined now by Professor Norman Fenton. All right. Hi. How are you doing today?
Starting point is 01:01:05 I'm doing good. Thanks. All right. Thank you for joining us today. Now, you have a little bit of a history right of writing papers based on mortality data. You've been talking about this pandemic in many different ways. So just tell me a little bit about your background and what interested you and what types of things you've been reporting. Well, because my research team specializes in data analytics and risk assessment, It was inevitable, and we were also involved in a major collaborative project, which was doing sort of improved medical decision-making.
Starting point is 01:01:43 It was kind of inevitable that we would get involved in the analysis of COVID data right from the start. We just looked at the publicly available data, the stuff that was coming from different governments. And initially, the work we did was not controversial. We were looking at in case rates, infection rates, And we were very well published, you know, how material got published in prestigious journals. It was widely distributed. There was no problem with that. But as soon as when around about September 2020, the entire COVID narrative was we saw it was being driven by this fundamentally flawed idea of equating a COVID case with a positive PCR test.
Starting point is 01:02:26 Right. So when they started mass testing asymptomatic people, the case numbers were being driven up and the, with this mass testing. And because they were also talking about, because they were classifying hospitalizations and deaths associated with these PCR tests. So for example, a COVID death was classified as anybody who died within 28 days of a positive PCR test. Whether they've had a heart attack or a brain aneurysm or even a car accident, we've heard stories, that because they'd had a positive COVID test 28 days earlier, then the death certificate or the death gets reported as a COVID death. And we've been complaining, just so you know, on the highway, we've been discussing that here in the United States of America.
Starting point is 01:03:13 We changed our death certificates here so that where it used to be an underlying cause, you died of cancer, you died of, you know, heart disease, complications of those. but the complication was pneumonia or something brought on by the flu or COVID. Now COVID was the cause of death. We've been saying certainly that is muddying up the data and changing the way we've looked at it since the beginning of time. Yeah, absolutely. And also hospitalization.
Starting point is 01:03:39 So in the UK, anybody who tests positive within 14 days before admission to hospital, for whatever reason, classified as a COVID hospitalization. And of course, they're tested on entry to hospital or then more or less, you know, very frequently afterwards. And if they test positive at any time during that period, that's a COVID hospitalisation. It's a bit like the Eagle Song, Hotel California. You can check in, check out only time you want, but you can never leave. So it's a problem.
Starting point is 01:04:07 So anyway, so the point is that we then started to write papers which were raising concerns, which were identifying kind of like anomalies in the reporting, and really looking at these kinds of exaggerated figures, And we were looking at other, you know, a lot of things didn't look right when you compared the case numbers that the government was producing. And then compared that with the data on, for example, triages that people were actually calling an ambulance service for the COVID conditions. They just didn't match up. Right. Got it.
Starting point is 01:04:41 And so as soon as we started doing that, we could no longer get our stuff published. We couldn't even get it. We couldn't even get it. We'd send it to the journals and it would be rejected without review. We couldn't even get it accepted onto preprint service, which accept anything, because that's the whole point. It's stuff which you just put up there before review. So, you know, that's that's a sort of a separate issue. But we've plugged away.
Starting point is 01:05:04 We're still, you know, we're still publishing the stuff. We put it on research. It actually gets very, very well read there. So we're not that bothered about, you know, about where this goes as long as long as our research is actually read. So that's what we've been doing. And that's culminated recently with the whole vaccination stuff. We weren't looking particularly at vaccinations at all. I didn't really have any strong view about them.
Starting point is 01:05:29 I thought it was great when the vaccine came around. I thought this would be excellent. But as we dug into the data, we started to look at the colleague of mine, Scott McClatham, led, again, a very well-known paper now on analysis of the VERS data. Looking at that. And then we decided that we were also very suspicious, very suspicious of these studies, all of the studies, both the randomized trials and also the observational studies,
Starting point is 01:05:58 which were claiming the vaccine was very effective at stopping transmissions. And when we looked at those, there were all kinds of problems. There were all kinds of problems with those studies. And we felt actually the best way to determine whether the vaccines were, well, basically safe and effective. And we're to look at all cause mortality. So over a period of time, when you compare the vaccinated and the unvaccinated,
Starting point is 01:06:24 we should clearly be seeing fewer deaths amongst the vaccinated and the unvaccinated. So you just said we don't care where they're categorizing them. Let's just look at all cause, like all the cause of death that are out there. Exactly because look, if COVID is as deadly as claimed. And if the vaccine is as effective as claimed, then what you should be seeing is that for COVID deaths, there should be a significantly lower number of COVID deaths. Right. Okay.
Starting point is 01:06:59 So you've got some great graphs here. So take us through this. This is how you sort of explain it in your work. Yeah. So these are the COVID deaths. So if the vaccine is as effective, if COVID is deadliest claimed, if the vaccine is effective as claimed, then you're going to see more, you're going to see a lot more deaths amongst the unvaccinated. amongst the unvaccinated than the vaccinated as far as COVID deaths are concerned.
Starting point is 01:07:19 And similarly, but alternatively, if the vaccine is as safe as claimed, right, then okay, there's gonna be a few, a small number of adverse reactions, but you should see only a few more deaths amongst the unvaccinated than vaccinated. So now what we're gonna do is we're giving room for the fact that there might be a few injuries
Starting point is 01:07:37 that to be expected from a small group of people, so it might be an uptick. Otherwise, this should be even. It could be even or just a little bit more in the vaccinated, Because we're talking about they're going to have the same amount of heart attacks, going to have a same amount of brain atoms and all the other reasons you die. Just with COVID, if we're going to be specific about that,
Starting point is 01:07:54 you would assume that the unvaccin you're going to share the larger burden of COVID deaths. Okay, that makes sense. So when you now are going to add them together, we're going to just put them all together. So what we're looking now at is the all-caused death. So this is our all-caused mortality. We don't care whether these are, you know, we're lumping together, whether it's a COVID death, whether it's a non-COVID death. What you should be seeing, the net effect of that is that you should be seeing more deaths amongst the unvaccinated than vaccinated.
Starting point is 01:08:23 And essentially, this should be in each, you know, for different age groups. Yeah. If it's different for different age groups, then you'll see, well, maybe there are different, maybe the vaccines has more benefit in some age groups than others. So that's we should be doing this. That's what you want to do this for every different age group. Okay. And this completely bypasses. It completely bypasses all the problems with the other studies where you've got to worry about,
Starting point is 01:08:44 oh, what's the definition of a case? Right. And here, we simply see a vaccinated person is anybody who's had at least one jab, basically. Okay. All right. Great. Because obviously in the first two weeks, again, as you, I think I was picked up on your previous discussion about in this first two weeks, they try and ignore, they try and say, well, okay, we won't count those people as vaccinated.
Starting point is 01:09:06 You know, saying bad happens to them. They're unvaccinated. Well, no, because if adverse reactions happen, they actually happen very, at any vaccine, they're likely to have more likely to happen in that. Exactly. If we're going to be an injury from a vaccine, as they say themselves, they admit themselves that they don't need to do long-term studies
Starting point is 01:09:22 because the issues you see with vaccinations happen within the first couple of weeks. Only we're going to put all those issues into the unvaccinated category. At least that's what they're doing here in the United States of America. But so, so you looked at this data. You actually decided to take a look at the data. So let's see what you found out. Yeah, before I want to come on to the data that we looked at, I just want to bring up the,
Starting point is 01:09:43 the slide of the of the data which published yeah from a different part there we go that's that one and then if what if this so this was published by public health England I think they're also called the united kingdom health and security authority now they keep changing the names of these right but this was it was a government publication and uh this was at the same time as we looked at the mortality data this is looking at effective this is looking at vaccine effectiveness in terms of the infection rate of the vaccinated against the unvaccinated and what you can see here What you can see here is that in each... Let's highlight it.
Starting point is 01:10:15 Let's go to the next slide. Let's highlight it. There we go. So highlight. So what I see is I see rates amongst persons vaccinated with two doses compared to rates amongst persons not vaccinated. And from 30 to 39, it appears that this is per 100,000. So this is, they break this down. So you can't say it's a comparison based on populations.
Starting point is 01:10:39 Per 100,000, there's 956. cases amongst the vaccinated and only 751 in the not vaccinated. And that continues the trend. Look at the next to 49. This is their own data. This is their own data showing that the vaccinator are getting more infections than the unvaccinated. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:10:56 And it's true. Notice it's true for each age category because it's important. It's important that we have to do these things for each age category because otherwise you get this thing called age confounding. So where the problem is that older people are more likely to die or get infected or whatever, the deaths up, particularly. Well, let's be clear because we get, and by the way, folks, this is, this is what I want to call these, you know, segments in the weeds. We like to get in the weeds because we want to make sure you have the truth. You're not going to just get some
Starting point is 01:11:24 headline here. We're going to get in the details. But when you talk about that issue with age, obviously the elderly are more at risk. Those were that truly the ones that were risk. Almost everybody else, very, very low risk. But you had a high risk group. They were also the first ones vaccinated. So you could see that, you know, they're being the first ones vaccinated. They're also the ones that are the most frail so they can be vaccinated, they die first, and then it looks like the younger people that haven't been vaccinated yet, they're the unvaccinated are doing better, but what you're really comparing is youth to the elderly versus vaccinated or unvaccinated, and that would be a problem. That's why we have to do it by different age categories.
Starting point is 01:11:59 Okay, got it. And incidentally, just going back to just going back to that side there, the point is that for every one of the, every one of the age categories, above 30. Yeah. The infection rate amongst the fully vaccinated was a lot, was quite a lot higher than amongst the unvaccinated. Now, that's quite shocking, given people think, well, okay, this is, this is fixers. Now, there was a lot of controversy about this because some people were saying, oh, well, the government was using unreliable data. They should have used the ONS data, not the NIMS data.
Starting point is 01:12:26 But when we looked at all the data was unreliable, you couldn't say one was more reliable than the other. Well, let's be clear. This is the data that they're reporting when they're saying on the news, well, the government, the CDC says and the NHS says that get your vaccine because it's clearly better to be vaccinated, their own data thrown up on websites is showing the opposite to be true. Okay. Exactly.
Starting point is 01:12:46 And now so now we say, well, let's forget about vaccine effect of this. Because they are there then saying, well, forget about that. Okay, they admit that it doesn't stop infections of the vaccine, but it stops you from dying or it stops you from being hospitalized with a serious condition. Hence, yeah, we're going to look at the mortality data. And the Office for National Statistics in the UK now has published, and this is the report that we've focused on and done the analysis. has published, published last month the data on mortality rate by vaccination status and age
Starting point is 01:13:20 category because before they hadn't done it by age category. And so because you had that age confound and effect, we couldn't really do a proper analysis and a proper comparison. Now what they do is if you now click on it, you'll see what they did the age categories, although that was crude. So what you can see is that if you click now, that they didn't provide us with a a proper age categorization. Obviously not as thorough as you would expect people to be in the middle of a pandemic that truly want to understand what's going on. Let's go age category 10 to 59.
Starting point is 01:13:50 I mean 18 and less is a zero death rate. So it's hard to imagine why you would group that in with someone 59 years old unless you're still trying to make a mess of things. And remember they only provided this because we put in a freedom of information request and also spoke to the authors of this of the previous version of this report. But at least we've got that. So at least we've got something decent, we can work on for the older age categories, right? So what we're going to do, we start to look at the data.
Starting point is 01:14:15 Let's look at the 10 to 59 category. Okay. And there you have the all-caused mortality rate. So this is a plot each week of the number of deaths per 100,000 in the comparing the unvaccinated to the vaccinated. And this looks bad for the vaccination because you can see it's much higher. But no, this doesn't tell us anything. Right.
Starting point is 01:14:37 And it's because it's too big an age group. You can't really make any conclusions. Again, because the people most in that age group, 10 to 59, the people most likely to die are the older people, you know, the 50s to 90s. And they're also the ones more likely to be vaccinated. The younger ones at this stage throughout weren't, right? So we can't, I mean, actually people have picked up on this and said, my God, this is evidence that the vaccine is really terrible. It's really killing. big. No, no, this graph doesn't, although it looks like it's saying that.
Starting point is 01:15:08 Look, you're making this point. If you were, if you had an agenda, you could throw this out there and say, look, I've proved it. That's not your goal. We're not trying to manipulate it. You want to get this right. You're saying, look, I can see the anomaly right there. And I can explain it. I can explain it by the fact that the unvaccinated are healthier. They're younger. They're more likely to do well. No matter what you do, the vaccine are going to the older, sicker people. But you take it a step further. Right. So let's get to that. Let's go to where you go to try and figure. out what's really going on.
Starting point is 01:15:36 Yeah, okay. So let's now start looking at the 60, each of the older case. This is each of the older age categories. So 60 to 69 age group here. Here you see it's flipped. Here, the unvaccinated has a higher mortality rate than the vaccinated, which looks good for the vaccination. Right, but there's something wrong with this plot which shows they can't, the data, there's something fundamentally wrong here,
Starting point is 01:16:03 which is that you've got this piece. which happens to coincide, that high mortality. Mount Everest I'm looking at there. I'd be asked myself, what happened? Did a volcano break loose in the middle of the UK and wipe these people out? What is that? Well, what we know about that peak,
Starting point is 01:16:19 and we'll see it clearly in some of the latest stuff, is that that coincides with when the vaccine program rolled out at its peak to this particular age group. And you'll see a similar pattern, but with a different peak in a different place for the other age group. So go on to the next age group. Okay.
Starting point is 01:16:37 The 17th and 79. There's the peak again. They were vaccinated earlier. They were vaccinated earlier at the peak. So that's where you see the peak of mortality, again, coinciding with the peak when the vaccine rollout. Got it. And exactly the same. Go to the 80 to 80 plus group.
Starting point is 01:16:54 So they're all seeing this peak. Same thing. At the exact and at different times of the year. So you can't blame something else. It's for based on the age groups and one. when they were, their vaccine program started, they're all having this peak in the unvaccinated who didn't receive the vaccine. Exactly. It's crazy.
Starting point is 01:17:13 Now, people have said, people said, well, hang on to say, maybe maybe COVID mortality is causing these peaks. But if you see on the next graph, you'll see that's not the case. Okay. Because this is the, this is looking for the 60 to 69 group, all deaths which have got nothing to do with COVID. These are the non-COVID deaths. Right.
Starting point is 01:17:31 Okay. Non-COVID deaths. And you've got this bizarre situation that the un-19-19-19. Somehow, when the vaccine rollout happens at its peak, the unvaccinated, a dying of something other than COVID. And they're dying in huge numbers. A much greater rate than the vaccinated. It's ridiculous. So let's bring it back here.
Starting point is 01:17:49 Just for people that I think, you know, obviously we've looked at graphs. I've been talking to Professor Fenton, but let's make this clear. If you're vaccinating, you know, a giant group of people, you would expect if there's some injuries from that vaccine for them to be, you know, seeing a little peak. But why would the group across the other side of the fence standing in the field having nothing to do with this vaccine? Why would they be having a peak of death at the moment that the people getting the vaccines are getting the vaccine? It makes no sense unless those people go ahead. We're misclassified. So now I want to show you just a hypothetical example because this really gets across the point of how very, very simple shifts in data, very simple misclassifications.
Starting point is 01:18:33 So you're saying what we know for sure is there's got to be a misclassification happening here that somehow. Well, actually, in my hypothetical example, which I'll, let's go to the hypothetical. Let's do it. Okay. Yeah. In this example, right, I'm going to do something other than a misclassification, right? And then you want to see it happens. So in this hypothetical example, what we're assuming is that there's a vaccine, a new vaccine is being rolled out to a population of 10 million people. Okay.
Starting point is 01:19:03 But actually, it's not rid of vaccine, it's just a placebo. It has no effects whatsoever. It doesn't increase or decrease deaths. It just, and if we assume that the mortality rate in this population is 50 per 100,000, then every week, right, we'd expect to see for every 100,000, we expect to see 50 people die. Got it. And so we're going to ramp, we're going to put out this vaccination program, right? And ramp it up.
Starting point is 01:19:29 Both groups are the same. Unvaccinated and vaccinated are the same. They both have 50. They're exactly identical. They're getting the same thing, right? The vaccinate is the unvaccin is exactly the same, right? But they just think that there's a vaccine here. So as you can see, you know, in the first week we started off with very few people vaccinated.
Starting point is 01:19:45 So 100,000 is only 50 deaths, right? Whereas a much larger number in the unvaccinated, because it's a much bigger population. But the rate is still the same. There's still 50 per 100,000 die because that's the mortality rate for this population. Got it. And as you go on, each week, you're getting a higher proportion. increasing higher number of people getting vaccinated and therefore a higher proportion those while the unvaccinated number that are unvaccinated says there's taking from the column once you're
Starting point is 01:20:12 vaccinated you're no longer in the unvaccinated column so that's going down okay right but the mortality rate stays the same now here's the here's the little trick because this is neat all i'm going to do now is say let's suppose that the deaths there's a delay in the death reporting let's just suppose that that 50 in week one gets reported as number of deaths in week two and the hundred in week two and there you see and look what happens to the mortality rates i've done nothing other than shift the death reporting by one week and what you see is somehow the vaccinated are suddenly somehow you know less than half in the beginning less than half the mortality of the so-called unvaccinated even those are all getting the same stuff and look at the fact the unvaccinated mortality rate starts to really peak you get this
Starting point is 01:21:01 ridiculous peak there with 179, 248. At the time, when the vaccine rollout has peaked. Wow. And you graph this out, right? You graph that out. What does that graph look like? When we graph out your hypothetical, just moving it one week, delay it one week, and there you are, you have a perfect peak that looks just like the peak that we are
Starting point is 01:21:21 actually seeing in there. Exactly. And this apparently, you've got this placebo. We know it's a placebo. It's a hypothetical example. We set it up like that. And yet, this has. has a miracle, it's a miracle, this procedure was a miracle vaccine.
Starting point is 01:21:35 You know, it's saving people. Anyway, the problem now, the interesting thing about this, I should say that we don't think, we think that the death reporting in the O&S report wasn't delayed by week, but if you, if someone dies shortly after a vaccination, like for example, if they die in the same week or a couple of weeks later, right, and if it's then not reported as being vaccinated, which we believe is likely,
Starting point is 01:22:01 even though they say, oh, no, everybody, you know, they say if it's with, if it's, they'll classify someone as having a vaccination within 21 days. It means even if there's a day later, they'll still count that as a person. Well, let's be clear. Let's be clear. I mean, and I don't know if it's the same in, in England,
Starting point is 01:22:17 but here in America, our CDC tells us, we are not going to consider you vaccinated until 14 days. Do we have that? Can we bring that up? This is from our own website when you've been fully vaccinated. And it says you are, here it is. If you don't meet these requirements regardless of age, you are not fully vaccinated. You have to be two weeks after the second dose in a two-dose series. So both Pfizer and
Starting point is 01:22:39 Moderna, so that first month after the first shot, you're considered unvaccinated if you get sick and die. And then after you get your second shot, 14 days, two full weeks. If you get sick and die, you're going to land categorize in the unvaccinated column. So, and Johnson, Johnson, the single doses, they wait until two weeks after that first single dose. shot. And so that right there, you're saying that could create this exact same anomaly too if you're just considering them. Okay. It would. In fact, if you just, if you just did it by one, even by one, but you get exactly the identical figures to what I showed you and you can prove it's identical. And my paper or the blog does the proof, right? So it's exactly the same effect, right?
Starting point is 01:23:18 Now, to be fair, I have to say that the ONS is telling us that no, that we don't do that 14 days, that even if it's less than 14 days, they are supposed to be, if they, if they die, they're supposed to be recorded as vaccinated. But right, we, you know, the way things work in the, in, you know, in the hospitals and surgeries, if they die shortly after, the paperwork isn't going to all be submitted. It's, you know, it's very, it's actually, I think it's, it's unlikely that all of that, um, information about whether they got vaccinated, it's going to be there. Especially in situations where a person tends to go to a clinic or to their, either personal doctor to get vaccinated. If they end up in the ER or dying, they're in the nearest hospital.
Starting point is 01:23:58 They could be in a different system. So many times what we're seeing is that your only list as having been vaccinated if you're vaccinated in the same hospital you end up in for your critical care. So right there you can see problems and anomalies. Okay. Exactly. Exactly. So if we go on to the next. Next slide. Okay, here we go. Yeah. So now this is not the only way. This is not the only reason to that demonstrates that the data is totally unreliable and they're something wrong going on here. Okay. Because
Starting point is 01:24:31 look at it. This is, these plots are three different classes of vaccinated people. Forget about the unvaccinated. These are people who are vaccinated. Okay. So, I mean, I'm colorblind, but the, the gray line is two dose mortality.
Starting point is 01:24:47 The orange line is at least 21 days mortality with no COVID. And then the blue line line is within so under 21 days mortality no COVID right now these are non these are these are all non this is these are non COVID yeah these are non COVID death don't do it COVID yeah right and these are different categories of vaccinated people they should be the they should all have to say they should all be the same and there's a and I've got a line we've looked at the life mortality table so if you right you just click you'll see that come up here okay click click on it there we go
Starting point is 01:25:21 click through it. So, these are dead, because this is the thing. So next one. Okay. Yeah. That's where they should all be. Go back. Go back to that gray line. There we go. That's where we should be. You expect a little bit of fluctuation, obviously, right? But they should all be around there. And yet, what have you got here? That second, the first dose seems to be really deadly. Catastrophic, right? Right. Whereas the, you get the second dose and suddenly you become immortal.
Starting point is 01:25:49 Suddenly, this is a magic. This is a, this is a, this is a, this is a, this is a, this is a, this is a, for all medical conditions. These people just don't die. Because remember, folks, these are not COVID deaths, these are just regular. Why is it should be affecting any of it? This is just where we're at. Your average person should be on that gray line.
Starting point is 01:26:05 Why are we seeing these gigantic anomalies when we look at vaccine status? It shouldn't be affecting this category of other deaths, not COVID deaths. All right. Amazing. So it's a real problem. The problem, the data is, we don't know why the data has got so screwed up whether it's just incompetence I don't
Starting point is 01:26:26 I don't know why I mean we've got some hypotheses but yeah anyway but there are other things it's not even the only there's another there are other problems so Nick I'll give you another really weird example all right of the data problem so look at this so this data this data set is based on the 2011 census data in the UK so it's all people who were registered in the 2011 census and were registered with a general practitioner in 2019. Okay, that's why it's only a subset. It's a very specific subset of the UK population, right? And the reason that is because you've got good records on these people
Starting point is 01:27:01 because you've got the GP records, right? So you should have good data, right? But the thing about it is because it includes no new people, no new people come into this, right? The death, the number, every time someone, the number of deaths in any one week, that number, the population of the next week should be be exactly reduced by that amount. Exactly. They're now dead. They're not a part of the population
Starting point is 01:27:23 any longer, but you have the debt to see total deaths, 14,537. You see the total population. But when you go down to the next number, it's like there's 10,000 extra people in the column that shouldn't be there. They should be dead. Only in the first, only in those first, so from April, whatever it is April, the 9th. Yeah. You get it right. There's no error. You've got the zero. You see the zeros in the right hand column there, right? There are no errors. But, but, There's something they're adding, where are these, you know, every week at the beginning, they're adding 10,000 people. I mean, I'm not saying this train massively changes any, it just gives an indication of how thick this whole thing. Why are they doing this? What's going
Starting point is 01:28:00 on here? Is it malicious? Is it incompetence? Are they trying to, trying to, you know, portray things in a particular way? It just shows you how unreliable the data is. That's the point, okay? And so therefore, you know, what we've got to do is hypothesize what the reasons are for these anomalies. in the data and how we can adjust them. That's what we're doing. Now, so that's what we're gonna, that's what the, I think we next look at the,
Starting point is 01:28:26 kind of like suggested hype if you go to us. Yeah, okay, so what we've done here, yeah, this is fine. So what we've done here is simply do the adjustment where we're making the assumption that the, that there's that miscaturization. On vaccine, no COVID mortality on the orange line. The blue line is the adjusted vaccinated,
Starting point is 01:28:46 no COVID mortality, but then you have two doses of vaccines in the gray dots and one dose of vaccines. And when you isolate them that way. Yeah, that's just showing when those dots are just showing when the vaccination programs are rolled out. So it reached this peak of the orange ones, right? Got it. So that's just showing you when,
Starting point is 01:29:05 so that's just showing you when the rollouts were for this group, right? For the first dose and the second dose, right? So here you see with the first dose, as the first, when the first dose was being rolled out, right? When we've done these, when we've done these adjustments, of the miscategorization and also adjusted this difference in the lifetime life table mortality
Starting point is 01:29:24 figures right yeah they should again this should all be because this is yeah it's non-cove mortality these should all be flat along the same line right but you and it you've got this peak at the beginning right now what is the explanation why why are the vaccines and now we're seeing the vaccinated people like dying at this higher rate at the period when the vaccination program is rolled out for that group. Now, possible explanation, possible explanation. These are, in the UK, the vaccination program, they prioritised it in each age group for people who were the most at risk, right?
Starting point is 01:30:04 The people with most comorbidities, particularly frail, right? They decided because those people were genuinely most at risk of dying from COVID, it made sense to vaccinate those people first, right? That's why it was done, right? But of course, what we're seeing here is that it appears that those most frail people, what's happening, because you've got that quick hit immediately when the vaccination is rolled out. A possible explanation, we're not saying this for sure, but it seems like the most reasonable explanation is that those people were because of the problem with the immune system, whatever. Those are the people not only the most of the risk of COVID, but they were most at risk of the effect. They couldn't handle the vaccine.
Starting point is 01:30:46 charging up their immune system they were too frail and exactly now the the probability is that those people those people probably would have that those are the people who probably would have died within a few weeks anyway right okay but it would just because you but with the vaccine just kind of like pushed you know could have pushed them push them over the edge now right now now that there is no other we looked at all the possible other possible explanations we looked at socioeconomic factors we We looked at the paper looks at a whole load of stuff. Yeah. Other people, you know, other people, we've had people try and discredit us on this, right?
Starting point is 01:31:22 Because they offer a different explanation. And you know what their explanation is? Their explanation, they say, actually, the original graphs are correct. It is the unvaccinated who are dying at the time when they're rolling out the vaccine. And they're saying the reason is, oh, it's because it's because those people who are close to death are chosen not to have the vaccine. Now that, we know that is not true in the vaccine. the UK. We know, right, we know that the people close to death were getting the vaccine, right? They were doing it. Oh, I see. So they were saying those who were close to death didn't get the
Starting point is 01:31:54 vaccine and therefore they were dying. They were going to die. That was exactly here in America too. Those were the first people. If you got cancer, you got heart disease, you got to get this vaccine right away. All right. Let's go to your conclusions. You list them out so that people can read them. Let's go to this conclusion's place. Here we go. Here's your conclusions. Vaccine effectiveness are generally flawed because the reliance on determining COVID cases. The simplest, the most objective way to determine overall risk benefit of the COVID vaccines is to compare all-cause mortality between the vaccinated and unvaccinated latest ONS report on mortality by vaccine status should provide the necessary data, but is flawed in many ways, as we've pointed out.
Starting point is 01:32:29 The anomalies most easily explained by misclassification of some unvaccinated deaths as vaccinated. After adjusting for the misclassification appears that shortly after vaccination, people may be exposed to an increased mortality risk. All right. And whatever the explanation, the ONS data is both unreliable and misleading, absent any better explanation, Akam's razor would support our conclusions, which is, you know, you have inconsistencies in this data at the very least. At the very least, they cannot be using this data to say, look how great our vaccine is. And you unvaccinated are at high risk. We know it because of our data.
Starting point is 01:33:06 This data, when it's properly looked at, shows that there's actually a problem, you know, that is not making sense and appears to be caused by the vaccine itself. Yeah. And what it definitely doesn't do is provide any data that the vaccine is particularly safe and effective. It certainly doesn't provide the evidence for that. And in a sense, we shouldn't be surprised. I mean, one of the slides that we sort of missed, we skipped through was that was from the
Starting point is 01:33:30 Pfizer, you know, from the actual randomized control. Can we bring up that Pfizer? Because it's important to show that Pfizer knows. Here we go. We'll bring that up. Hold on. So incidentally, this is my slide. I took this from, I picked this up and I couldn't find the person.
Starting point is 01:33:46 I couldn't, wasn't able to know who to credit you do, but so this is looking at the, it's comparing the vaccine arm in the trial with the placebo arm. So you have an equal number of people. And of course, this was looking to see how effective it was at stopping transmission. But also we can look over time at how many of those people died, whatever reason. If you look at, so if you look at again, this isn't, and then click on it again, you'll expand. There we go. So what you actually see, first of all, actually in that of course, these were not be a lot. I mean, it was a very biased trial because it was people, it was volunteers.
Starting point is 01:34:22 These were not, you know, they didn't take on any sick people, anything like that. So you wouldn't expect to see many deaths. But again, if COVID is as bad as, as, as as as as as as it was claimed, and then the placebo arm should be seen more. So do we add those numbers when we're looking at this, so we're talking about deaths. I mean, we're talking about... All it is, it's just showing at that point. 21 to 15. I think this is maybe a out of the day.
Starting point is 01:34:45 There's just a few more deaths in the vaccine arm than the placebo arm. Right. Certainly not one. It certainly flies in the face of the major statement they make, which is it reduces your, you know, serious cases. Risk of die from COVID. It didn't even in Pfizer's own study. It didn't even achieve that. That was their own experimental trial.
Starting point is 01:35:06 of course, you know, they weren't, they weren't looking for side. They were, they were just trying to test, they were just trying to optimize it for effectiveness, you know, about whether it stopped transmissions. And, you know, as I've shown from the hypothetical example, it's easy to get that to be shown to be effective at the beginning. Right. And then it, of course, then it kind of like Wains. It's just, it's a statistical that, you know, you can get that by, as say, by the placebo, just using a simple statistical trick of, of, just, just shifting the reporting a week. You know what I love about doing interviews with guys like you, Professor Fenton, is how excited you get about a bunch of bar graphs and numbers.
Starting point is 01:35:43 And you make me excited about it, and clearly, and I want to say this, I want to thank you for taking the time not only to do this work, but to share it with me and our audience here at the Highwire, because this is what gives me hope. What gives me hope is that whether it's just totally, you know, stupidity, lack of talent or it's nefarious in some way. What we do know is that, you know, people like you are out there. You've been doing this work in every way sideways since your career began. And now suddenly you're deciding, well, let me take a peek at this other data and the biggest news
Starting point is 01:36:21 story there is. And you're seeing anomalies that shouldn't be there. And it's so important right now because though these are just little numbers on a graph, clearly these are people's These are decisions being made. We are forcing these products into healthier and healthier people that have no risk to the virus. But if there's a risk in this vaccine, we should know about it and we should have better data. Our countries, especially the UK and America, should be doing so much, such a better job at this. There's no reason to have this type of data be so messy, except that we're seeing really the bias, the desire for this vaccine to work from the moment they promoted it up to us before it ever,
Starting point is 01:37:01 even got through its safety trials. They were telling us how great it was going to be. That shows you that you're really looking at an endpoint and then designing the science prior to getting there. And so I want to thank you for your work, Professor Fenton. I hope you will keep us abreast, as I know you're going to look deeper into this. And I only hope that mainstream media starts,
Starting point is 01:37:21 you know, helping you get this information out there. Thanks. So just like to say there was a team of people who were listed on the paper and people can see those. And the first author of the paper was my colleague, Martin Nill, and he deserves a lot of credit, which I didn't give earlier. So thanks very much. There it is.
Starting point is 01:37:39 Here it is. Let's go ahead and list them because they, too, are heroes, putting their names and careers on the line, unfortunately, just to tell the truth. This was the paper. latest statistics on England mortality data suggests systematic miscategorization of vaccine status and uncertain effectiveness of COVID-19 vaccination. Martin, Neil, Norman, Fenton, Joel, Smalley, Claire, Craig. Joshua Goetzkow, Scott McLaughlin, Jonathan Engler, and Jessica, Rose.
Starting point is 01:38:06 Thank you all for your service to the world with this important paper. And of course, for all of you watching, go ahead. In the acknowledgments, you'll see that there were clinicians who were also involved in this, but they had to remain anonymous because otherwise they're obviously their career is threatened. I mean, we get a lot of flack as well, but it's not going to hopefully not terminate our careers. All right. Professor Fenton, thank you for your work. Thank you for your time. I think it is clear that something stinks in Shinoa right now,
Starting point is 01:38:35 and we hope we can clear it up. It's really important. People's lives are hanging in the balance. Keep up your good work, and we look forward to having you on the high wire again soon. Great to be on. Thanks a lot. Right.
Starting point is 01:38:45 Take care. I mean, well, there it is. I mean, when you're looking at science, I get it. I ask myself, you know, would this have interested me back before I got into COVID? And maybe for those of you out there, I always want to let you know, we prove our point. I'm not here to sell you a headline. I could tell you, hey, some guy did a
Starting point is 01:39:03 study and he proved that the numbers aren't adding up and the mortality. Looked at all cause mortality, we could all move on. But now you have it in your hands. And by the way, you know, this would be a great party trick to pull out some of these graphs and they're going to be in your hands on Monday. All you have to do is sign up to our newsletter. So I will certainly, I certainly hope you take advantage of that because it's free, whether you're donating or not, just sign up to our newsletter so you can have that information, especially for those smart people. and your family. Why don't you take them through this data and say, how do you explain this? I mean, does this make sense that we vaccinated a bunch of people, but it's the people across
Starting point is 01:39:37 the room that didn't get vaccinated that just suddenly start dying at the same moment these guys are getting vaccinated? Or maybe they were put in the wrong category. All right, this is all numbers, right? These are all just numbers. This is how our government looks at it. It's just a bunch of numbers. They don't see the humanity. They don't see the people. They're just moving numbers around and trying to get to their opinion to come up with the next way they're going to affect hundreds of millions of our lives. But there are real people behind every one of these statistical potential errors miscategorizations. And that's what we want to talk about today. This is Gina's story about just that type of person that is much more than a number,
Starting point is 01:40:19 a number that we believe ended up in the wrong category. My dad lived all his life in upstate New York and he came to live with us here in Batavia in October of 2020. He had his own apartment and then outbuilding and so it was easy to go over and see him and for him to just come over and hang out in our house with us whenever he wanted to. My dad loved being here. He loved being able to ride his four-wheeler around our property and I have four children and I have four boys. They loved having their grandpa here and they were especially upset when my dad passed away. away. My dad was diagnosed with kidney cancer in June of 2017. So he had his right kidney removed. He had his six-month scan and they found that his cancer had metastasized to his lungs. So he immediately started chemo and when he came here to live with us, he was at a
Starting point is 01:41:12 really good place. The spots in his lungs had stabilized and he was feeling really, really good. My dad had been seeing an oncologist since he moved here. She was in full support of him getting the vaccine and he actually had an appointment with her two hours before he got the second vaccine. So she knew exactly what state of health he was in and she was completely comfortable with him getting the second vaccine. The following day, about 24 hours after the second vaccine, I went over to check on him to see how he was doing and he said that he had not slept well the night before. He was just feeling kind of achy, didn't really have much of an appetite, didn't really have any energy. And so I was not concerned at all because if he was going to have a side effect, I knew that those were the typical flu-like symptoms.
Starting point is 01:42:08 And so honestly didn't really think anything of it. He didn't come that night to dinner. He said, I'm just going to rest. I looked over at his apartment about 8 o'clock and I saw his lights were out and so I thought good. He went to sleep. This will be good. The next morning he had left a voicemail saying that he was having a lot of trouble breathing. And so my husband went over to check on him and found him on the floor.
Starting point is 01:42:33 And so my husband helped him back up into bed. I went over to check on him and he was sitting up in his chair but his color was really bad. and he was still having problems breathing. So I told him that I was going to call the doctor, and he said, okay, which I knew if he was allowing me to call the doctor, he really was having trouble breathing. And so I called his doctor who said, call 911. He was still, you know, fully coherent, answering questions,
Starting point is 01:43:03 joking with the paramedics. They took his blood pressure and it was 90 over 50. And so they immediately put him on oxygen, put an IV in, and they obviously decided they were going to take him to the hospital. So I went to the hospital, and when I walked into his room in the ER, there were about six or seven doctors in his room. The resident said to me, I need to update you on your dad's condition. We believe he has COVID, and he has pneumonia.
Starting point is 01:43:33 Multiple organs right now are in distress. And I remember literally standing there, and I was so confused because I knew he didn't have cancer. because he had just gotten the second shot. I didn't understand how he could have pneumonia because he hadn't even had a cold. And so about 1.45, the nurse, one of the nurses came in to check his vitals and she said his name and he was just, he was completely unresponsive. And she tried several times and then she rushed out and she came back in with a bunch of people and I knew stuff was very bad. And five minutes after that, one of the doctors came out and, um,
Starting point is 01:44:13 pulled us aside and said, you know, your dad sort of crashed. We had to innovate him. We lost his pulse. We've been doing CPR for 30 minutes and we need your permission to stop. And I just, I remember looking at my husband and I just, I couldn't believe what was happening. I said, okay, and so they stopped CPR
Starting point is 01:44:38 and he was pronounced dead two and a half hours after he was admitted to the hospital. joined now by Gina Doan. Gina, to begin with, let me just be clear here. This isn't someone that just went to a clinic and got a vaccination. He visited his, was it his oncologist? He went to the doctor he'd been working with two hours before receiving this vaccine. And how was that bill of health?
Starting point is 01:45:07 Do you have any idea, like, what was his cancer getting worse? Was it staying the same? What was that? Yeah. Yeah, his cancer was at that. point pretty much staying the same at that appointment and I was with him at that appointment she went over the lab work that he had which you know they had to do routinely so she went over the lab work which was completely normal she went over the
Starting point is 01:45:31 chest scans which were completely normal and so as they were as far as they were concerned that day he was in good health and good spirits that's exactly actually what it says on the office notes for that day so good health good spirits a okay go ahead and get your second dose of the vaccination. And so then within a short period of time, half a day, he starts having some symptoms. Now at that moment, those symptoms, you sort of said they were flu-like symptoms. So you immediately, am I correct? And you sort of immediately attributed what he was feeling to the vaccination he just received.
Starting point is 01:46:07 Yes, I absolutely did. I was kind of hyper-vigilant at that point, knowing that the few people that we knew at that point that had gotten the vaccine, that they had experienced those flu-like symptoms. And so I was paying particular attention to make sure that if he was having those, what was happening. Yeah. Now, would you consider yourself at that time pro-vaccine? Are you somebody that obviously you were supporting him getting the vaccine, correct? At that time, yes, I was the one that actually found the place for him to get the vaccine. So were you planning on getting the vaccine yourself? At that point, yes, we were.
Starting point is 01:46:46 Nobody, except for the elderly, were eligible at that point, but we were just waiting to see when we would be eligible. Okay. All right. So at the moment then you end up in the hospital and he, as you said, was cracking jokes when he climbed into the ambulance. By the time you get to the hospital,
Starting point is 01:47:05 it's not a joke any longer. He seems to be having a very difficult time and is, you know, you lose your father within about two hours there. Now, were you making the statement or were you telling the doctors that you believe this was a symptom from the vaccination? Yes, I emphatically said that over and over again because from the minute I walked into the room, the resident kept saying, you know, we believe he has COVID. We're just waiting on his COVID test. And I kept saying he doesn't have COVID.
Starting point is 01:47:39 he just got the shot two days ago. There's no way he could have COVID. So, you know, I emphatically said it over and over again as soon as I walked in. Okay. Now, did that test ever come back? Did he test positive for COVID? It did come back and it came back negative. Okay, so he didn't have COVID.
Starting point is 01:47:57 All right, so he's just getting sick for some unknown reason spontaneously. Okay, well then, so to get to the rest of this story, there's actually an interesting connection. We had had who we called the VERS whistleblower on the highwire several months ago, Deborah Conrad, who started reporting Vair's reports from her hospital because she was seeing all sorts of weird deaths rises in cancer deaths and heart attacks and blood clots. And so she started taking upon herself to report to VERS. She, as it turns out, was at the exact same hospital where your father passed away.
Starting point is 01:48:36 and because of that, she came upon your records, and this is how that transpired. When they told me that they were going to put respiratory failure and pneumonia on his death certificate, I was just trying to process and trusting, okay, well, if they said he died of this, that that is what had happened. They were doctors, and I didn't really question it at that point. Deborah Conrad called me the next morning and said who she was and that she had filed a verger's report. I had no idea what that was and that she had reported his death to Moderna. And on the report, she wrote, according to the daughter, the patient was in his usual state of health.
Starting point is 01:49:22 Around 15 hours after getting the vaccine, he started having fevers, fatigue, and shortness of breath. He arrived to the ER in hypoxic respiratory failure, septic shock, acute renal failure, Hyperkelemic was severe bilateral pneumonia on a chest x-ray. He expired within hours of arrival to the ER despite full attempts at resuscitation. According to the death certificate, he had had pneumonia for two days. But as far as his oncologist was concerned, he did not have pneumonia for two days. I actually spoke with her several days after he passed. I spoke with her and his primary doctor.
Starting point is 01:49:59 They both called me because they were in shock. doctor that filed his death certificate who also wrote the discharge summary did not include writing the COVID vaccine in his discharge summary, which was interesting because I was extremely vocal from the time I walked in his room that he had just had the second shot. And so I wrote the hospital requesting that the death certificate specifically be amended, but also the discharge summary because his papers were not consistent. They sent me a letter replying back that they did not feel there was sufficient medical evidence to link the vaccine with my father's death. And so therefore they would not be amending any of his medical records or the death certificate.
Starting point is 01:50:49 I've always been really close to my dad. I was the quintessential daddy's girl. He was always like my biggest supporter. And I wanted him to know that he would never be alone and that we would take care of him. If anyone doesn't believe that this vaccine is killing people, I would tell them to call me because I lived it and I watched it. He would be alive right now if he had not gotten the vaccine. Gene, as you watched that, what are your thoughts right now about your father and how he was handling? Actually, it was really hard to just watch that. No, no, I fully believe that my dad. would be here right now if he hadn't gotten the vaccine.
Starting point is 01:51:41 All right, we're joined now also by Deborah Conrad, who got involved in your case. Deborah, it's great to see you again. How are you doing? All right, we need audio. Hold on. Can you refresh your page? Deborah, if you can hear me, just refresh your page. Let's see if that fixes the audio issue. Hold on one second, everybody. All right, let's go back to Gina, and then we'll get back to Deborah. So let me know, Gina, how did you first, did you reach? out to Deborah Conrad or how did that how did she get involved in this conversation?
Starting point is 01:52:26 Well the initial the initial call was by Deb the like I said the day after my dad passed is to let me know that um you know as the hospital staff she had reported the death of errors okay but then I contacted her in July when I um when I found out that FEMA was reimbursing you know the families of COVID patients that you know as long as it was the COVID vaccine was on the on the on the death certificate it could be considered for reimbursement and so i reached out to deb um because i i knew that my dad um what was listed on the death certificate was not the complete picture of why he died and so um i reached out to deb okay and so when when we're talking about it were you under didn't feel like they were covering that up from the beginning or
Starting point is 01:53:15 were there doctors that were openly discussing his vaccination status while this was going on i'm just Here he is. I do believe that there were doctors in particular that we're trying to cover it up. In his medical records, several of the doctors that filed the reports included the vaccine. There was one particular doctor that did not. Interesting. And, you know, when you look back on that now, and so Deborah, she comes out of nowhere. She just reaches out to you as though she works for the hospital and says, look, I filed this to VERS.
Starting point is 01:53:49 Had you ever heard of VERS before? No. Okay. Now, I'm certain in the middle of all of that, it must have felt good that somebody then was seeing this as a potential vaccine injury and death, right? It was a huge relief, yes. Okay. So were you surprised then that through that process that the same hospital, because you don't
Starting point is 01:54:12 know, Debra, we do, but you don't. You're talking to someone from the hospital. And then when you finally get all the paperwork, you're as soon as, you're going to see vaccine listed in there because the hospitals already listed this to sent it to the VAERS. So that must have been shocking. It was shocking and infuriating, actually, because as I said, I was very vocal. Everyone in that room knew. I mean, it was actually from what I understand, the resident that contacted Deb because I'm pretty sure that my dad's death was one of the first deaths in the hospital where the doctors, they really were very shocked because, like I said, I was very vocal about him having
Starting point is 01:54:55 just had the vaccine and everything happened so quickly that I think it really made them stop and question what was going on. Wow, I think you're right. And so now when we look at it, and we're trying to get Deb back right now as we speak, I'm not sure if we're going to be able pull that off or not. They're trying. But what is your message right now to people as, you know, You watch the news every single night. They say things like there is no evidence that these vaccines cause any injuries. They say things like there are no deaths attributed to the COVID vaccine. What does that make you feel?
Starting point is 01:55:33 And I'm assuming you're watching news channels you once trusted. Yes, it's infuriating and it makes me not trust any of the data that I know is being put out there. I also literally just having gone through COVID myself, my husband and I got COVID last month. He was actually hospitalized for eight days with pneumonia, was on oxygen, very, very sick. And we have had so many people ask us since, you know, he got home, has this changed? Because everybody knew what our stance was on the vaccine after what happened with my dad. And we've had so many people ask us, has this changed your mind? you know, would you get it?
Starting point is 01:56:16 And, you know, resolutely, no, absolutely not. We know what this vaccine does to people. We know that there are ways to heal people with COVID, you know. Let me just ask you a question since you were in very quickly. Did your husband receive hydroxychloroquine or ivermectin or Budesinide or those things while he was in there? He did, yes. The hospital that I took him to, fortunately. Not coincidentally because I kind of did my research before we took him in.
Starting point is 01:56:50 But they, I have, I have touted this hospital. They were amazing. They did not shame him for not being vaccinated. And when I called to ask that he be put back on them because he had been on them for a couple days prior to going into the hospital. When I asked that he could receive them, they agreed. And honestly, I mean, yeah, they wrote, they actually wrote a prescription for them for him to be continuing on them when he got home.
Starting point is 01:57:17 And our pharmacy wouldn't fill it. I mean, there's so many different. I mean, obviously, we could go on for another hour. I got Deborah, apparently. I think we've got her coming on right now. Oh, no. Oh, here we go. Deborah, can you hear me now?
Starting point is 01:57:32 Can you hear me? I can hear you. There you are. Fantastic. Okay. Now, I'm just curious because we went through a lot of Gina, but how did you get involved with this case where you just randomly watching cases come through?
Starting point is 01:57:45 or did someone alert you? Like, how was it that you saw Gina's father's case? Somebody alerted me, actually. It was the medical resident that had contacted me and told me that I needed to report this case because everybody was quite shaken up in the emergency room. Because, yes, Gina's absolutely right. I'm pretty sure this was one of our first deaths at the hospital.
Starting point is 01:58:09 And because it occurred in such close proximity to when the vaccine was given, There really wasn't anything else to blame it on at that time. So all of the three doctors that were involved with him before the last doctor got involved, documented about the COVID vaccine in his chart. And it disturbed them. And they wanted me to report his case to theirs. Otherwise, I would never have known about him.
Starting point is 01:58:40 And so then after you get involved with Gina, you call her, you say I've reported the Vairs and then none of that I would you know all the you're doing that work and then it doesn't appear in the death certificate they don't talk at all about the vaccine so somebody went out of their way to not transfer all of the data which all the other doctors have been saying there was a vaccine involved here it should certainly be listed as one of the things we're looking at one doctor overrides that can I just ask you do you ever ask yourself a wonder is someone getting paid off here is there something is there that is there a cover up that's taking place because what difference does it make to this doctor, whether or not you list the vaccine.
Starting point is 01:59:19 They will admit to you they don't know what's happened to Gina's father. So why not throw vaccine on the list? What difference does it make? I agree. I cannot understand why this is an issue. It was documented throughout his hospital record. And the discharge summary is the narrative that tells the story of his admission, hospitalization, and then discharge. Why would you not include that in there?
Starting point is 01:59:48 Again, we're not saying it absolutely caused his death, but we're not saying it did it. That's not for us to determine. It's a medical intervention that happened within 48 hours of his death. Certainly, you did something medically to your body that, by the way, affects your lungs, affects your heart, affects your blood clot. I mean, all of these things, I mean, even if you look at a vaccine at the simplest level, you're taking some form of this virus, right? If we're just going to get as lay persons we can get.
Starting point is 02:00:17 And so there's a chance you could suffer from some of the, you know, the effects of the actual virus. You're creating antibodies. Well, what is the effect of coronavirus? It's difficulty breathing. It leads to pneumonia. I mean, all of these things. So certainly those are known side effects of the vaccine. Who goes out of their way?
Starting point is 02:00:35 And by the way, let me ask you this. When a family, you know, certainly if they fit into a category and there's a way for them to get some funding to help with, you know, in this case from FEMA, that if there was a vaccine involved in any way, is going to help with some of the costs so that Gina can take care of that. I would think that a hospital says, you know what, there's no skin off of our backs, and you're right. It's close enough that this fits that category. We'd like to see you get those funds. Who stands in the way of that? Is that a normal thing you've seen in hospitals? No, I've actually never seen it in my entire career. If a family came to me or the patient and said, look, I looked at my medical record and this was
Starting point is 02:01:12 documented incorrectly, or I want to add this to the documentation based on the history, we never hesitated in the past to ever add anything to a medical record. It's part of the historical information. I have never seen this before in my career. I cannot understand why they are fighting with her to not put this in there. She's not asking them to say it was a direct cause. She's asking to just put the information that occurred there. There was nothing else that this man did in the 48 hours before other than get a vaccine that was under emergency use that at the time we had no long-term and minimal short-term data on. It just, it just does, it doesn't make any sense. It's especially shocking since we don't have a proper data collection
Starting point is 02:02:04 system in this country. VERS being the only system we have and they all say, well, it's underreported, even underreported, it's 19,886 deaths listed so far. Those are the ones that made it the VERS. You're a part of trying to help make sure that these cases are getting out there. But I ask myself, how many cases in your hospital has this doctor for whatever motivation, whether it's a financial one or not, how many have been covered up? Deaths that should at least be in the data system so scientists can do the work, that they can study the anomalies and say, you know what, we're able to rule that out.
Starting point is 02:02:38 we can tell because it looks like these others, we see a pattern. But you're removing our ability to look at patterns, which is what we just talked about with Professor Fenton out of England. This is why we can't get to the bottom what's going on because they're not doing proper data collection. All of this data should be in there. You should be, and by the way, it tells you on the vaccines themselves, report it whether you think it causes it or not. That's not your job. You're not a clinician here to diagnose a vaccine injury. You're supposed to report it no matter what and let the CDC and the NIH and the FDA do what they do and determine whether or not it's a part of the death record. Now, so all of this is just incredibly frustrating. And so on all sides, Gina, I don't want to,
Starting point is 02:03:21 you know, we get caught up in just this discussion about, you know, moving data in the improper places. But you have a father that may have left this earth early. And certainly, I think he would want that death to mean something to those that are considering the vaccination. And so for that, I hope that we've at least gotten your story out there. But when we try to imagine how many thousands or tens of thousands or millions of these cases are being hidden, which is leading more and more people to have confidence in a product that may be dangerous to them, what are your thoughts? I mean, what are your thoughts? What needs to happen? How deep does this go for you? Does it go beyond that hospital, does it make you look at the news differently that's reporting this? Or your politicians
Starting point is 02:04:11 that are out there, you know, mandating these products onto people? Oh, it absolutely makes me look at the news differently and be very cynical and skeptical at any data that comes across the screen because I know that it's really not accurate and that there are so many doctors trying to hide things. I know that there are so many people that have permanent injuries from this vaccine whose stories aren't being told. And that's why I hope people see this and think twice because I have absolutely no doubt that my dad would still be here if he hadn't gotten that vaccine. Just so that he's not just a number for our audience, what is it you miss most about your
Starting point is 02:04:57 father? Um, oh, that's really hard. I just, um, my dad was my dad was my biggest supporter and you know my my birthday was a couple weeks ago and honestly the only thing i thought about on that day was my dad was just missing my dad um so well we're all thinking about him now and i want to thank you for being courageous enough to share your story um it's so important it's important that we tell these stories it's important that we start getting this data right and we demand better answers deborah i know um since you were on the show uh things were dire there. You ended up losing your job at the hospital, probably in great part because you were doing what was right and filling out these VAR's report when the hospital wanted you to stop. How's everything going now? Have we landed on your feet? Do we have a job? What's going on?
Starting point is 02:05:50 I have landed on my feet. As a result of being on the high wire and telling my story, I was offered a job at a local clinic, a family medicine practice. And I'm doing my good work there and helping a lot. lot of patients. I'm doing home visits and COVID care and doing a lot of good things. I'm also working with America's frontline doctors helping them eventually open clinics across the United States to provide ethical honest health care to the American people. And I'm very excited. I would not change the thing. All right. Well Deborah, Gina, thank you so much for joining us today and sharing your story. and putting a life form and a person to what are just numbers for a lot of us. I really appreciate you taking the time. Thank you for telling it.
Starting point is 02:06:47 All right. Take care. Well, I mean, there you have it, right? You have someone like Fenton who, you know, Professor Fenton in England is saying there's something wrong with these numbers. And he figures out, let's look at all-cause mortality. You see this story here with Gina's father. Clearly, in all-cause mortality, you're going to say, see a guy that died of pneumonia. His number is going to be in there. He may be even in the unvaccinated group, but oddly enough, he's going to appear in that unvaccinated group in a
Starting point is 02:07:15 spike that happened upon the vaccine rollout, which is exactly what Professor Fenton is talking about. But it's not one person because we wouldn't see that. It's a gigantic amount of people that are creating these Everest-sized anomalies in the databases in America, England, and probably the rest of the world. This is what we're working at the high wire for those of you that maybe thought, geez, that's a lot of math, Dell. I want to make it clear to you that when we bring on a scientist, they're going to be attacked by everyone that is being funded by pharma, by their governments, by the media. And so one of the things they always like to do is to put out the attacks that they know are coming their way and to lay out how they disprove those attacks. And so it gets a little bit
Starting point is 02:08:00 in the weeds, but we want to make sure on the high wire that they get that entire story out, so that they're not just left, you know, with their pants around their ankles, having to defend themselves when they had the defense to the argument coming at them. That's why we're thorough here. I hope that you can understand that and enjoy that because this is how we're going to change this. We're going to make sure that the scientists around the world get to see the high wire and the work where we're doing, and I want to thank you for being a part of it. And because of this work and the work of so many, we have really spectacular news to announce.
Starting point is 02:08:32 Of course, the vaccine rollout. Gavin Newsom raised his victory, fist in the air as soon as they started talking about a vaccine for children. He wanted to give it to everybody. But here it goes. L.A. becomes the first major school district to mandate COVID vaccines for students, setting stage for national battle. Well, this battle has just come crashing down. L-AUSD, here is the headline now. L-AUSD delays enforcement of COVID-19 vaccine mandate for students. It's official. The Los Angeles Unified School District Board of Education agreed Tuesday to delay enforcement of its COVID-19 vaccine mandate for students until the fall of 2022. God knows where we'll be by that time, preventing more than 30,000 students from being forced into online independent study that weren't going to get the vaccine no matter what. Now, we showed you the images of so many of you parents out there standing, marching, you know, trying to be heard. and certainly you must be, you know, give yourselves a pat on the back, hold a champagne glass in the air this week because you have achieved what many thought was impossible. But beyond those parents, there's so many ways that we're attacking this.
Starting point is 02:09:44 It's also important that we are in courtrooms. And in this case, we had both PERC and Children's Health Defense working together in a lawsuit against L-A-USD, protecting children's rights to an education, the founder and head of Perk joins me right now, Amy Bond. Amy, we were talking about this just a couple of weeks ago. You said you guys were fighting like hell in L.A. What happened with the court case?
Starting point is 02:10:10 And how much do you think that affected the decision by L.A.USD? Thank you for having me on today, Dale. I'm so excited to be here and talk about this. So basically, we filed a lawsuit in October. So Perk and CHD, California. And then last week was our court hearing on Wednesday. So just here's the timing. Wednesday was our court hearing.
Starting point is 02:10:34 And the judge actually did not make a final ruling on our case on Wednesday. Our legal team, Jessica Barsani, Nicole Pearson, and Rita Barnett Rose. They came in with amazing legal arguments, including how problematic putting 34,000 children into this independent study program would be because it's understaffed. it's subpar and there's a lot of problems. So anyways, the judge did not make a final ruling on the case on Wednesday. But to be clear, L-A-USD was in that courtroom hearing the arguments against them, right? Which is part of what this is all about.
Starting point is 02:11:12 Okay, cool. Yes, they were on Zoom. I'll say they're on Zoom. So maybe that's why this all happened in our favor. I don't know. But so then on Friday, less than 48 hours from that court hearing on Wednesday, we saw the first announcements coming from LUSD through robocalls and emails to the parents that they were intending to vote on suspending the vaccination deadline until fall of 2022 for all those students.
Starting point is 02:11:42 I mean, this is like 34,000 students. There's a lot of children. And so that was the first moment. We were like, did we just potentially win, you know, pushing back? And then on Tuesday was their official day that they voted. So around, I think it was about 3 o'clock, we got the news via social media for one of the official board members, and they made the announcement that they were officially suspending the vaccination mandate and deadline for the children until the fall of September. So 2022. So we just, can you imagine, this is California.
Starting point is 02:12:17 So, yeah, this is the biggest school district in the entire state and, of course, the second biggest in the entire country. So, I mean, this is just this most incredible victory for the parents that held strong, you know, the legal team, our team, you know, C.H.D. California, everybody, you, like, everybody that's been a part of this for so long, it's a, it's a victory for the medical freedom movement. And we are certain, well, I mean, I guess I do have to say this. We are really pretty sure that our lawsuit had a significant impact on this decision. So we'll take credit. I think you're right. Did the judge ever end up giving a final ruling? He did give a final ruling around the same time as LUSD made their announcement. The judge came out denying our preliminary injection, which we actually anticipated that, considering that the mandate is being pushed. The deadline is being pushed. But our lawsuit will continue. So this is just, you know, one part of it, but it's a huge, huge victory.
Starting point is 02:13:19 And we are so excited. Well, and the reason I want to bring it up, it shows that it doesn't always just take winning a case to achieve the goal, which is to bring that pressure. And for those of you out there, I've said this from the beginning, if you're affluent, you're a person with means, don't just roll over on these cases, whether it's your employer or maybe your child in school. Bringing these lawsuits puts their feet to the fire. And in the end, if enough people do that, it becomes difficult. And they start seeing both financial interest at play.
Starting point is 02:13:48 And many of these arguments, when you finally put them in front of a judge, don't sound so good. they start saying themselves, hey, do I want to be a part of that? Do I want to be a part of denying education to 34,000 people? And meanwhile, don't forget that their news is telling them constantly that they need a fourth booster shot coming up in the future. So they've got to be losing confidence in their argument to begin with. Amy Bond, it's amazing. It's fantastic to know that you're out there. Perk is out there, Children's Health Defense. You know, we have a case in San Diego. We've got a couple other in California. We're waiting to get some decisions on there. But it's going to take all of us. And it's really awesome to know that there are other great groups out there with great
Starting point is 02:14:26 lawyers out there. So give my best to your legal team for doing such an outstanding job and continue to do that great work. And California is lucky to have you. Oh, thank you so much. Yeah, we were, LUSD has $300 million, by the way, for their legal fees. So their funding is just enormous. So for all of us to come in here and to make a difference, it just shows you that everyone can make a difference. I'm just so excited. Thank you for having me. Absolutely. If you want to help the other legal cases that Perks got going on, certainly visit their website. They're doing important work. This is how we make a difference. There it is www. perk-d-group.com and find out more about what they're doing.
Starting point is 02:15:09 Amy Baum, you're a hero. So is your legal team. So is CHD. Keep up the good work, okay? Thank you. So much. Good to see you again. All right. Good to see you. Take care. All right, look, you know, it's, we're all over them, right? We're all over them. We got scientists that we never met before, like starting to investigate their data. We're winning on every front. We're proving that the vaccine and, you know, is causing the variance. So they're not going to get away with it much longer.
Starting point is 02:15:36 This thing is crumbling down around them. And I think one of the signs of that is when you start seeing real supporters of the vaccine program starting to jump ship. We saw two. We announced this last week when we watched two of the send. jump over and decide to defund the Biden vaccine mandate in the Senate. And in Colorado, this headline caught me by surprise. This is my hometown, Boulder, Colorado, where I grew up. Colorado, Governor Jared Polis, no more mask mandates because the emergency is over.
Starting point is 02:16:05 He doesn't seem to be afraid of Amacron. Apparently, he's recognizing that the vaccinator, the ones having the issue. And he makes a good point for those of our pro-vaccine. He says, look, we got vaccines if we want them. We've got masks if you want them. You can social distance if you want to. You're intelligent people. Your life is yours.
Starting point is 02:16:24 I'm not your mommy. I'm not your daddy. Go ahead and do what's right for you. Which would be really great to see other politicians. And I love being able to celebrate a Democrat because as I've told you, this should not be political. I'm apolitical. I'm politically marooned right now. I don't trust anybody.
Starting point is 02:16:40 But it's really nice to see in my hometown down there in Boulder. My family aren't perhaps going to be able to get to the. holiday season without having to be under lockdown. And for that matter, I am visiting my family over the holidays, and I've decided to give one last talk. I'll probably throw the kitchen sink into this one. This is at Unity of Boulder in Boulder, Colorado from 6 to 8 this Sunday. If you want to take a look, if you're out there in Colorado
Starting point is 02:17:08 and you haven't been able to get out and see any of my talks, we're going to lay out all the details, bring your friends. It should be very informative, if not a whole bunch of things. of funds. So there it is. Last talk of the year and then I am finally, I promise, honey, I promise kids, we're going to take a vacation. So one more talk to this Sunday if you want to see it. I'll be in Boulder, Colorado. This is it. We're coming near the end of one of the most outrageous years, a year that will go down in history as being one of the stupidest of all times. I don't think any of the people working at the CDC at the FDA or for our government or for the
Starting point is 02:17:47 NHS for the World Health Organization, I don't think it's going to age well for you, folks. When I look at it, I honestly can't think of a single win you had this year. We absolutely won, completely undefeated. Every point we've made has proven to be true. Your vaccine is a disaster. And it doesn't matter how many boosters you put out there except for those people that are still, you know, for some reason, going to take them. But every single booster, more of you are waking up. So welcome to the highwire.
Starting point is 02:18:17 If you've just had your two shots and finally the third is what did it and you said, okay, I'm going to watch this show the highwire. Welcome. You are welcome here. We are not anti-medicine. We are not anti-science. We are just trying to get proper science and proper information out there. We are completely transparent.
Starting point is 02:18:33 And don't worry, even if you got that booster shot and now you're feeling like crap and you're thinking, you know what, this doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Come here. This is your family. We are all about being a family together. In this nation and around the world, this pandemic is waking up people. The pressure from this vaccine program is waking up people. The disastrous effects of these vaccines are waking up people.
Starting point is 02:18:58 I wish we didn't have to be hurt. I wish this was over right now. I wish not a single other child or parent of anybody had to die in the face of this vaccination. But what I do know is this, that with every single one of those horrific studies, with every scientist that decides to do work, besides the, you know, despite the pressure that's coming from the university, wherever it's at, but they just have got to tell the truth. Every single day, we are gaining ground.
Starting point is 02:19:27 Every day we are enrolling new hearts and minds to the truth, and they are losing people. Just like when people in the category leave one category and go to the next, they don't get to stay there. You don't get to stay, you know, in the vaccinated category, and then move over to the unvaccinated category. In this case, when you move over and you know the truth, you don't go back. That's the problem they have.
Starting point is 02:19:51 People are leaving their side. They're leaving what they believe to be true to come over to the actual truth, where we are showing data to make our point, not just saying it louder and louder and more in fact more fatically and more often. It's not how we do things here. In fact, we take our time. We're showing you the data. I want to thank you all for tuning in with us.
Starting point is 02:20:13 all year. I want you to have brilliant holidays, Christmas coming up next week. For those of you, we've got some amazing shows. We've pre-taped a couple of amazing shows that we can take some time off. You won't want to miss them. So definitely carve out that point around the shopping where you can slip off into a room while everybody else is drinking hot chocolate. Cuddle up next to the fire and check out the highway over the next couple of weeks. They're going to blow your mind. This is an awesome experience. This is an awesome time. Do not be afraid. If anything, when we, We look in these holidays, we talk about being together. We talk about sharing with our families, expressing love with each other, but also about telling
Starting point is 02:20:51 our stories. Tell your story. Don't be afraid to tell your truth. There's so many different pieces of information you can use on our website. You can use the get vaccinated videos that are very short if you want to start bringing some of your family members into this conversation. But whatever you do, do not be ashamed for knowing the truth. power is in your truth. Wear it well, just like that beautiful scarf you're going to get for
Starting point is 02:21:18 Christmas. This is one we should be showing everybody. I love you. Happy holidays and I'll see you next week.

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