The Highwire with Del Bigtree - DEL DEBATES GEERT

Episode Date: June 6, 2022

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As I said at the very top of this event, I said to them, look, we are all coming from different places. You're about to see some of the greatest scientists in the world here at Bandonbos, Dr. Robert Malone, who invented the MRNA technology, Dr. Ryan Cole, Peter McCullough. I mean, we know it. We could go on and on. But I said, if you're expecting to show up here, it's a beautiful audience. I think over 400 people in attendance, the room was packed. And I said to them, if you're expecting to come and see. some agenda-driven, homogenized game plan that we've already structured. I think you're in the wrong place.

I think you're going to see argument. I think you're going to see disagreement. And I said to them, I want you to recognize what that is. Do not get depressed. Don't get upset. Recognize that is the scientific method. We've gotten too used to science being this agreed-upon consensus, which is why we're in the trouble we're in.

That is anything but science. That's how when you know science is not happening. and short to form, and just as I had expected, there were some strong debates, and one of them actually involved me. I was watching the panel of doctors, the opening night, the first panel that had Dr. Robert Malone, here, Van der Boch, and many of the other luminaries

that have been on this show, and here at Bandon Boch said something that did not certainly line up with my ideology or the work that we've done and the investigations that we've done. So let me play for you, what he said to this audience at the Better Way Forward Congress. Let's just listen to this.

Mass vaccination campaigns are just driving the propagation of more infectious variants. On the other hand, live-attinuated vaccines are critical to maintain hurt immunity. So once you have hurt immunity established, it is indeed beneficial because the elderly people or people with weak immunity, they will, of course, no longer contribute to herd immunity. so you have to replenish that reservoir. You can do this indeed by vaccinating young children, as we do with the live-attainuated vaccines.

This is going to train their innate immunities, contribute to herd immunity, and will keep this balance where the virus is under control thanks to the herd immunity. Well, obviously, I was sitting there. I was the emcee of the event, which meant I was coming up after every one of these large panels. There was usually about 10 people in the panel.

They were about three hours long apiece dealing with all these issues. And I had an iPad where I was receiving all the questions from people that were in the audience and those that were online. And definitely, you know, geared lit it up when he said that there's obviously almost anyone that watches my show would say that Dell clearly disagrees with that. And I think most of you probably do this idea that we need all of these vaccines in the childhood vaccine program to achieve herd immunity. And so I was sort of, you know, I wanted to get off. to the right start. I didn't want to scare, you know, Tess Laurie that was gracious. I felt so honored to be invited to be the MC. And all I'm supposed to do is read the questions that are sort of all over the map about everything else. And I said, there's only one question that needs to be

answered tonight. And that has to do with, do vaccines have a place as we move forward in this better way? You know, I was thinking about it, you know, did a little praying about it. I decided I got to let it rip. And so I went up onto the stage and I try, I realized I was going to blindside Heart and some of the other scientists and doctors who maybe have been dancing around this. Like, let's be honest, I've had Heart Vanden Bosch on the show. We have delved into, and he got into it there too, on his theories about, you know, driving viral immune escape and all that's possible in the future.

Go watch the other shows if you don't know what I'm talking about. But I've never really asked him what he thought about the childhood vaccine program. I'm well aware he's one of the great leading biologists and vaccinologists in the world. So it wasn't totally shocking to me. I also know that Dr. Robert Malone is a lifelong vaccinologist. So I started out the question and answers by asking the question, who here believes that vaccines are a part of a better way forward? This is just a little taste of the one-hour debate that broke out. And believe me, it got interesting.

I think there's a conversation that needs to happen right here and now. if we're truly going to discuss a better way forward that has been set off, and some of it's a bit of a firestorm that Geard Vannebosch has created online. For those of you that have been asking those questions, it really comes down to vaccinations. I think that many in this audience

and out there in the viewing world right now would think that after this COVID pandemic and the problems that we've seen with this vaccine, that an event like this would come to the conclusion that there isn't a place for vaccines moving forward. So I want to ask a few questions of this panel. I'm going to put you on the spot. We are truly, truly going to have a scientific conversation.

We can't be afraid to have this one. How many of you, by raising your hands, believe that vaccination has a place in a better way moving forward? Okay? I appreciate that. All right. So roughly half of those that are up there. How many of you?

are aware that since the increase of vaccinations when we were giving 10 vaccines, I'll use the United States of America stats, we were giving 10 vaccines in the United States of America to, by the time you were 18, up until about 1986 when we took all liability way, that vaccine program increased to 54 vaccines. How many of you are aware that in that time, we went from a, you know, a chronic illness rate in the United States of America of 12,000. 12% to a chronic illness rate of now over 54% and that data has been stopped being given to us since 2012 how many are aware of that increase in chronic illness Okay here does that is that not something you're aware of? Well, you know, I don't like this

blunt statements right. I mean it's all more more complex You have to be careful with correlations. That's I agree. I'm strictly stating correlation and I I admit that but I think it's at the heart of the conversation it feels like you set up a very simple binary system but you asked a very broad question is there any role for vaccines going forward in a better way in that in my raising my hand I was not endorsing in any way our current vaccine schedule I I for me as a vaccinologist who is often assumed has has integrated a belief system that I was brought up in about the efficacy and utility of childhood vaccines I had a moment of epiphany when I sat down

with Candace Owens and we talked about what the temporal relationship has been with many of these classic pediatric diseases and they're quenching in the population which was more concurrent with implementation of modern public health and water sanitation practices than it was with implementation of vaccines and yet the industry has taught me and has taught many of us that there was a causal relationship when in fact it was correlation which is one of the big flaws that we've seen again and again is conflating correlation with causation is it true that a great many vaccinations is bad for you over a lifetime and that we should treat this technology very sparingly, right?

That we should be choosing very carefully which few things it makes sense to use it for and what to hold it in reserve for rather than just imagining that if vaccines are good then more vaccines are better. My opinion is that our children are not suffering from infections. They're suffering from chronic diseases, autoimmune diseases, autism and depression.

So it seems we need to reevaluate health, and we need to look at those things that potentially could be affecting our children's health. A vaccinated versus completely unvaccinated retrospective study, you know, where is the place in which any of this system works? Well, I'm having a tremendous problem here. Please. Please tell me why. Because, guys, this is way more complex than you're discussing. If you are discussing about the safety issues, for example, I mean, you are not considering the impact of losing herd immunity. If you have diseases where you have no asymptomatic transmission, you can do a lot because you can isolate people,

you can have a major impact by infection prevention measures on the spread of the disease. If you have diseases like flu, like rona, like even measles that can spread asymptomatic. How do you think that without vaccination you are going to maintain your herd immunity? Please tell me. Okay. It's by having the next epidemic, of course. Do you want to have this? Can you calculate what the damage will be of that?

You cannot, for example. I would say this. With other things. So I'm having a huge problem with taking these shortcuts, right? And with saying no injections. Okay. guys, then we are not going to vaccinate these diseases that we have kept under control for many years. Thanks to herd immunity, lose that herd immunity and have your epidemics to reestablish it

every single time. I have one last question. There have been small studies, Paul Thomas being one of them, a study out of the University of Mississippi. They are very similar. I've seen private studies done by large institutions that are now afraid to put them out. But they're all very, very similar. showing that amongst the vaccinated somewhere between a four to five point six times rate of neurological disorders amongst the vaccinated children compared to the unvaccinated. They show nearly in some 40 times to 60 times rate of asthma amongst the vaccinated to the unvaccinated. I could go, you know, list all the allergic rhinitis through the roof amongst the vaccinated compared to the unvaccinated. if we were able to get these vaccinated versus unvaccinated studies done in satellites all around the world by our major institutions, our health departments, and they showed that autism is definitely connected to the vaccine.

Neurological disorders are definitely connected at a rate maybe six times that of those are not receiving these. If the Harvard Medical School study of the VERS system that we talk so much about said that VERS is only capturing 1% of the total amount of actual injuries that are taking place. Every year, our normal vaccine program has about 400 to 500 reported deaths from vaccinations. If it was true that upon study and deeper analysis, that that is 1% and nearly 40,000 people are being killed by or children's people. specifically killed by the vaccine program. If that was proved out and we removed it from correlation and moved towards causation, would you reconsider your perspective that vaccination is still our best way forward? You mean all the vaccines together?

Yes, because we would only be looking at large studies of vaccinated. I can only say, you know, we have been dealing with these stakeholders that have organized a major, a major experiment with COVID, right? We all agree. Yeah. Are you willing to do a similar, not a similar, but also an experiment, no longer vaccinating against diseases, infections, where we know that herd immunity is protecting the population?

Are you willing to do that experiment? Do you have any scientific rational? Yes. Yes. The one I just stated. Because wait a minute, it's not what you are talking about all the time, what I'm hearing here, of course, of concern is the children and health issues in the children. But if we talk about herd immunity, for God's sake, it's about the vulnerable people, the elderly, people with underlying diseases, etc. Are you willing to sacrifice those?

I mean, but I just ask you the question. Are you willing to sacrifice? And this is not for all the vaccines, of course. I'm just talking, I'm just talking about vaccines. I understand, but you're not answering my question. Would you at least sign on to a document amongst all the scientists here and the 17,000 that are aligned behind Dr. Robert Malone to demand that proper vaxed versus unvaxed versus partially vaccinated studies be done of all the major databases collecting health data around the world? Would you stand behind that without stopping any vaccine program? We can have answers to these questions and truly evaluate.

risk benefit, which has never happened. And I think this entire system is built on way too many assumptions. You can't answer the question. Neither can I, from either perspective. We should be able to, because that's what science is. Would you sign on to the demand for vaccinated versus unvaccinated studies? I mean, we're done. I know.

I know. Yeah. Go ahead. Well, I think, Dell, you know me well enough that I'm, you know, I would never, ever be opposed, you know, to gathering more data. What I'm saying and what I'm really getting sick of is if you want to calculate the benefit, right, the benefit of herd immunity, what are people going to do? They're going to come with their bloody modeling, right, which I don't trust. And so I think it's incredibly difficult. It's incredibly difficult to do this risk-benefit analysis.

You know that there is a threat like for measles in some places which is highly infectious. Yes, but geared, it had a death rate of one in 500,000 in the United States. States of America before the vaccine ever came along. I think we can reevaluate the risk benefit. We'll continue on. I want to thank everybody for the time here. Obviously, obviously, I think rigorous debate here is very important. I want to thank our panelists for their honesty. I told you this would not be an easy moment. So I want to thank all of you. That was, as I said, a one-hour debate. It got, you know, I would say almost heated in a couple of places. But when the dust settled, we all got together later on at different times.

And I said everybody, sorry if you felt blindsided. But it's a conversation that needs to happen. It is continuing to happen since that debate happened. But if you want to see what was said in that debate and where these scientists stand, by cutting it down, you might have some misconceptions of where maybe Merlone is or Brett Weinstein. Right now, you can still see this entire conference. You can buy a ticket and watch it. It is so spectacular.

Just go to the better wayconference.org. I recommend this so highly. It is truly, I think, probably the greatest event I have been at to date because it was about being inspirational, because it was about looking in the future. And frankly, I really want to support the World Council for Health. Tess Lori is such a great leader for us. When you think of, you know, something that mounts up,

we don't want to just fight the WHO. We want to present a new international organization, the future for the world. The World Council for Health really can, be that. And so simply by, you know, buying that conference and getting in and watching it, you were really helping to support. And you've got something that's got some amazing moments and excerpts you can share with friends. And I assure you, you are going to be left with a real sense of possibilities. So just an amazing time. I want to thank all the people that made that

happen, all the new friends I have all around the world, all the people in media that were there, getting to recognize how high wire is affecting people all around the world. I mean, I hear that, but it's another thing to meet people around the country and just see how much effect we're having. So absolutely spectacular.