The Highwire with Del Bigtree - DR. JAMES NEUENSCHWANDER ON TACKLING CHRONIC CHILDHOOD DISEASES AND THE MAPS MISSION

Episode Date: June 28, 2024

Emergency & Integrative Medical Physician, James Neuenschwander, MD, discusses the skyrocketing rates of chronic disease and disorders in children and his mission of Medical Academy of Pediatric Special Needs (MAPS) to raise an army of medical practitioners to understand the principles of root cause medicine. Hear about the upcoming MAPS conference in Scottsdale to help participants learn new treatment options and innovative medicine research.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-highwire-with-del-bigtree--3620606/support.

MAPS, spring 2024, how's everybody doing? The MAPS conference is a three-day CME training course for practitioners, anyone that's working with kids and young adults. MAPS is the future of pediatrics with the goal of educating all practitioners across the country on how to properly treat kids with complex medical issues and special needs. We are here to help every child with special needs reach their full potential. We're trying to create this coalition of physicians who understand the needs of our patients in a more holistic or integrative way.

When inflammation occurs in the brain, brain development stops. We have one in five children in our country with neurodevelopmental disorders. We have one in 36 children with autism. And so we're seeing a massive increase in children with chronic illness. There's a tremendous amount of science. this amount of science that we were never taught in medical school or science that we were taught in medical school that's been overridden by pharmacology. We're injecting nanoparticles into kits every time they get their injections.

The aluminum nanoparticles are bound to bacterial and viral antigens, which means that not only are nanoparticles getting across the blood-brain barrier, but so are microorganisms. The bottom line is the traditional way of approaching things, the American Academy of Pediatrics, They've failed our kids in terms of our healthcare, so we need to be looking at what do we do? How do we take care of these kids? That's why we need maps because that's what we teach. Get to the foundation, get to the root.

The idea is to expand your box of tools so that these children don't stay chronically ill, and we can actually bring them to a more optimal form of health. This year, I'm here at MAPS really talking about the non-speaking population and hoping to shift the paradigm out there that non-speaking equals non-thinking. If they have difficulty with speech,

they're generally all lumped into the same category as intellectually disabled. Once you give a reliable form of communication to a non-speaker, turns out they're really pretty smart and they're very much able to make decisions about their own health care and their own futures. Hi, my life has been saved by doctors like you, and I am grateful for all the extra effort you put into helping

solve such a complex disorder. The Speller's method, It's probably the biggest shift in the autism community to ever happen. This is something that I believe every practitioner needs to know about. Please take it for me. I am someone who had their life saved by the principles of functional and biomedical interventions. Before I got to MAPS, I didn't even know that non-speakers could speak. But that's what MAPS is about and that's what Spellers is about,

is in empowering these amazing human beings to share their light on the world so that we can all all together make this a much greater place to live. What the families of special needs children really need are doctors on every corner. I know that we can beat this. We just need every doctor that really cares about our children to come to a mass conference. I think the world is really changing around this subject and one of the people that's making that happen. Dr. James Newen-Swander joins me now.

Always an honor and a pleasure. Pleasure to be here, Del. Well, I mean, you knew Jim. So let's just, you know, when something like that happens and it happens so quickly, there's several things that go through my mind. It makes us all think about, you know, could that be me? How does that happen? And I really think about all of the toxins in our environment, all the things that are going

on, the fact that, you know, we are the sickest, you know, industrial nation in the world. There are things in our food that aren't allowed in other countries. I, you know, questions I would want to ask, did he get hepatitis B vaccines? I know when we were losing another great doctor, Dr. Tony Bark, and she says, as a doctor, I got so many hepatitis B vaccines, I think those things are killing me now. And then you get into a system where you try to deal with it, and it just, as much as they act like they know what they're doing, medicine just seems blind. And, you know, and we're talking about chronic disease, which for all,

all of the pennies that people have dropped and little buckets at grocery stores and the fundraises like we're not solving cancer, we're not fixing any of this stuff. Right. What is going on? Are we, I mean, it just feels like we are looking at all the wrong places.

Is this gonna be another five-hour show, Del? It could be. What's going on. No, I mean, I think you hit on part of it and it's this idea of, you know, we haven't changed. I mean, our genetics haven't changed. However long human beings have been on this planet, hasn't changed. What's changed is the environment, the toxins that we put into our body,

and then also what we eat, what we do to fight those toxins. Because, I mean, things like lead and mercury, they've been with us forever. We have mechanisms. We have enzymes that are designed to detoxify lead and mercury. What we don't have are enzymes that are designed to detox Phaas or designed to detox a dioxin or something like that. Those are newer molecules that are very toxic. They're carcinogenic. And we really don't have great systems to detox them. I think Phaas, we have nothing. Okay. Yeah. And that's tough. Right. Yeah, we're talking about these forever chemicals that just are going to exist probably after we're all gone. Right. And so when you have a situation where you have cancer,

I mean, you know, the strategy for the last at least 50, 60 years in treating cancer has been to use surgery, which probably works if you can remove the tumor, then things that kill tissue. So either radiotherapy, you know, radiation therapy, or chemotherapy. And the trouble with that is it's very hard to kill a tumor that is your genetics, right? I always say if you leave your tumor at a crime scene, they're going to bust you if they do genetic testing on it, right? Right, right. So it's you, it's your genetics with some modifications, and somehow they're going to take a poison that's going to attack that and not kill you at the same time. So chemotherapy is going to go after every rapidly dividing cell in your body.

That's why you lose your hair. That's why you get gastrointestinal problems. But the other rapidly dividing cells are your immune system. And what protects you against cancer? It's your immune system, right? And so, I don't know. I don't want to pretend like I'm an expert of cancer because I'm not. But I do see cancer patients.

I do know that there are pathways in cancer that you can target with, you know, medications like developed chemotherapy type medications. You can target them with off-label drugs. You know, that's never popular because nobody has a patent on it. And you can target them with nutrients, with nutraceuticals, we call them. And then things that just support the body, that support your own nutrition. So there are multiple targets that you can use. The trouble is you go, and there are studies out there that say,

if you see the oncologist and you see the integrative practitioner, you're going to do better than if you just see the oncologist. Right. And the trouble is when you go see the oncologist, they have one tool in their toolbox, all right? Now, if what you have responds to that tool, hallelujah, praise the Lord, you have acute leukemia, chemotherapy works for that, okay? You have most of the lymphomas, chemotherapy works for that.

You have head and neck cancer? Not so much. Yeah. But that's the only tool they have in their toolbox. They have chemotherapy, they have radiation, and now they have immunotherapies, but they're even reticent to use those, even though they do work in head and neck cancer. You have to remember the vast majority of people that had head and neck cancer, it was because of tobacco use, right?

But these days, most people are not using tobacco anymore, and so currently the main reason to develop head and neck cancer is supposed to be the human papillomavirus. It's actually a chronic viral irritation of the tissue that ultimately causes that cancer. So, okay, that's right up the alley of what most integrated practitioners are looking at. Look at the root cause. If a virus causes, why can't we use some of our antiviral armamentarium to help with this? In addition to whatever the oncologist is, the radiation oncologist is going to be using to treat the patient. And again, I don't know Jim's complete story. By the way, I want to be clear that I'm not making this, I have no idea what was one with Jim,

but it does bring up these questions because I have friends right now that are dealing with cancer. And you're like, what do I do? I mean, obviously, you know, people like Jim and Tony Bark know the best people, and it, you know, it doesn't, you know, always... It's very difficult. Because the big thing that we use in medicine is fear, right? I mean, fear is what sold the pandemic. Fear is what sold the vaccine. Fear is what doctors use to sell you on what they want you to do.

And I don't, again, you know, you asked the question, are doctors in on it? I don't think doctors are inherently evil. And I mean, we've had this conversation before. I think we go into medicine because we want to help people. I think we want to do good. But I think we get brainwashed. But I can tell you that, you know, seeing how this system works, and, you know, I know a lot of stuff.

I understand how these systems work. I understand the biology of cancer, and I understand the biology of chronic disease and what we can do about it. And yet I can sit there and listen to what some of these doctors are saying, and they can convince me, oh, well, maybe chemotherapy is the right way to go, or maybe radiation is the right way to go. Even though I know what the success numbers are, right?

So they're not going to come in and say, well, gee, Del, you know, you have cancer X, and you know, we have chemotherapy for it. It's got about a 15% success rate or a 10% success rate for your tumor, but we recommend you do that. They're going to come in and say, you have cancer X, we recommend chemotherapy, and you need to start yesterday, right? They're going to use that fear because, I mean, I mean, at the end of the day, I can say I don't have a fear of dying, but I'm not facing my own death today.

Right. Right. It changes we made. You know, the decisions we made, I had my, in a moment that Jim covered for me before where, you know, I was thinking, well, I suppose I'm out of blood, not sure why. You were a part of helping me through that. I was like, I'm getting on a plane. You're like, don't get out of plane, Del. Don't get on a plane. Don't get on a plane.

Let's talk about the kids. It's a huge part of what you do. And we have, as I've said, just the sickest kids there are. It really is astounding that no one in government, none of our health agencies are addressing the elephant in the room. If you guys are so great at what you do with the regulatory agencies, something is causing this chronic disease epidemic. And this is what I say. Like people say, you know, you're an anti-bideast. You know, how do you know it's vaccines, which is one of the things that I've focused a lot on?

I said, let me be clear. I don't think it's just vaccines. I think and they'll say, well, what about the air? What about the food? What about all the pesticides on our crops where the steroids and vaccines in our meat or the fluoride in our water? And I say, look, first of all, I can is investing in fighting for answers to all of those things.

But let's be clear, every one of those things, even the PFS and all of it, have been approved and said to be safe by FDA, CDC, NIH, Health and Human Services. They exist and are allowed to be used in this country because our regulatory agencies are saying, yeah, nothing to see here. You know, go on, no, give it to everybody. Spray it on everything. You can even breathe it, you know, under your...

And clearly, they're killing us. Right. No, you know, you want to fix health care in the United States. You got to start with the kids, right? So, you know, we have, and it's, the numbers are just phenomenal when you look at them. I mean, not just autism. You know, autism was maybe one in 10,000 when I went to medical school in 1981, right? You know, now it's what, 1 in 36.

You look at rates of autism are also delayed. I mean, if you look at this chart, when I say it was 1 in 10,000 in 1981 and it's 1 in 36, that's kids that were born in 2012, right? What's the rate of autism now? We have no idea. I put it on the graph. It's somewhere off the chart, right? Because we really don't know what that is.

It could be one in 20, one in 15, one in 12. But even when you look at comparing maybe 1980 to where we're at now, it's not just autism, right? It's rates of asthma. It's rates of food allergies, right? I mean, everybody and their cousin has a food allergy. It's autoimmune disorders. It's type 1 diabetes. And if you look at the graphs for these, I mean, even food allergies, because it's just been recent.

I mean, this graph shows, this doesn't go back to 1980. I think this goes back to 2007. But if you look at the last 10 years, it's just gone through the roof. And the graph on the right, in case the adults say, well, I'm not a kid. I mean, these are things that used to sound so rare, like, oh, my God, your body's attacking itself. That's strange. Off the charge, rheumatoid arthritis. Right.

Grones disease used to be Ashkenazi Jewish old men, correct? I'm not being racist. You're taking out of context these days, but that's where we. That's where it was. And now it's children. Right. And any race. The reason why autism rates went up is because we're better at diagnosing it.

Are we better at diagnosing Crohn's disease? Right. I mean, come on. Are we better at diagnosing a food allergy? No, it's that they're more prevalent. So then you look at, okay, what about the health of kids? Just like we're supposed to be this great country in terms of taking care of our kids. What about simple things like infant mortality?

I mean, you know, what is the death rate for kids under one year? of age in the United States and compare it to the rest of the world. Okay? I mean this chart there's there's more babies dying on the first day of life in America than all the other industrialized nations. Absolutely. Women dying while giving birth. Absolutely. I mean you would think we're in this serengeti you know it's 130 degrees outside and there's not a pale water in sight. That's about your odds here in America. I mean we're we're there's

29 wealthy nations. We're number 35 on that list. If you look at kids under five, you mortality for kids under five we're number 45 yeah so we're number 36 embarrass me yeah and we're behind you know we're behind china we're behind russia we're behind russia we're behind romania but by all means let us write all the regulations and hand the w hl and say this is what the rest of the world needs to do follow our lead this is what really pisses me off is is it's not just children i mean if you look at health outcomes for the united states for everybody you compare them to those 30 industrialized nations i mean this graph is great because you can see most of them are clustered up there. And then who's, you've got Switzerland and then you have Canada,

and then you fall off the chart, and that's the United States. Right. And guess what, kids, we spend more money on health care than anybody else. Right. We spend 50% more. I mean, we put you in contact with your doctor more often than every other country that does better than you. Right. And we are the most vaccinated. We use the most drugs. We have, like you were talking about these toxins, you know, there's a list of 10, 15 toxins that they've been talking. targeted for elimination, I don't know, 15 years now. They're not used in the rest of the industrialized world, but we still use them. Things like atrazine.

I mean, this is horrible for the hormones and how it disrupts everything. And then this gets into our kids. And again, if your solution is a pharmaceutical, you're missing the point. And the idea that, you know, your kid has asthma, why does your kid have asthma? I don't know, only bad luck. You know, I mean, really, that's a biochemical basis for the disease. background in your family, nobody else ever had it. I remember when I really started getting into this, I was working on the doctor's television

show on CBS. And I did a story on, I think it was triclosan or triclosan. Yep, that's the one. Which was a product that was in our toothpaste. It was in soaps and things like that. And there was studies showing that it is altering your DNA. It's actually changing your DNA. And obviously that's problematic.

Not something you want your toothpaste to be doing. And I remember reporting on this story. And when I did the investigation into it was amazing, as FDA finally said there are enough studies showing that this is altering the DNA and children of people and everybody using it in Colgate and Crest. And they were all using it. And so the FDA said, so we're going to allow you a year to prove that the benefits of in your product

outweigh the fact that it's altering your DNA and didn't take it off the market. And really, if you didn't catch the one head, headline, which I did to do a story on it, you're just brushing away while the companies try to figure out how do we make it, you know, that this chemical that's, you know, mutating your DNA still has such a great benefit. I mean, this is how they think and how they work. Instead of making the company say, go, you take it off the market, we're going to destroy billions of vials of this crap. Yeah, you're going to pay for it. Probably should have done the science. It's just a disaster. So what is math, like maps, like so when I think about all this contact of doctors, we are in contact with our doctors, we're more involved in medicine in America than any other nation in the world and we are the sickest there are.

Now, the math says to me, doctors are the problem, at least they're one of the problems. Maps is trying to not be the problem. What are you doing differently? Well, we're, okay, so we sort of have the, you know, if you look at the AAP, what's the mission of the American Academy of Pediatrics? It's really, you know, to promote the health, the mental, physical, and social health of, you know, infants, children, adolescents, and young adults. So MAPS is looking at that same population, but we're not just looking at promoting the health. We're looking at identifying and treating the underlying causes of that problem, right? So if you walk in my office and you're flapping and you're not speaking and you have rashes, and you're constipated and you don't sleep,

and you come in with the diagnosis of autism, I'm not going to use that diagnosis as how I treat, all right? So I'm going to look at each kid individually and say, okay, what is the road that got you here to this diagnosis? Well, let's start with your mom. I mean, what happened when she was pregnant? You know, was she sick? Did she have any fillings replaced?

Did she have any vaccines done? You know, did she have any antibiotics? What were the circumstances of the birth? you know, was it a C-section? Was it a vaginal birth? Were there antibiotics? Were there other things happened? Did that baby get vaccinated in the first day of life or not?

Because it does make a difference. I mean, you can say what you want, but there is a difference in timing of these vaccines when they're presented. And then how is that baby fed? Was that baby breast fed from the breast? With that baby bottle fed with breast milk? Was that baby bottle fed with, you know, end-final formula type stuff? Did that baby develop ear infections?

was that baby fussy, was that baby colicky, all those kinds of things. Because you're going to be able to classify these kids into different categories. This is an immune kid. This is a gut kid. This is a kid that has encephalitis. A lot of kids on the spectrum, I mean, one of the first times I was on your show, we talked about an article. This was DeSasio back before the pandemic. But what he showed, it was an autopsy article.

And what he showed was that almost 70% of kids on the spectrum had inflammation of their brain. on autopsy and that inflammation wasn't from a virus it was autoimmune so if 65 to 70 percent of these kids have autism because it's autoimmune encephalitis why are we treating that with a bilify right that's not that's a psychiatric drug that's not going to treat the underlying problem so we're looking at what I remember a mom I like always like to say this said to me you know maybe a year or two ago and she said you know Dell vaccines didn't cause my child's autism vaccine caused my child to have a brain swelling event, encephalopathy, and the result of that encephalopathy,

and it would be a symptom that I think we call autism. That symptom could have been Tourette's. It could have been ADD-80-HD. Correct. But it's a brain damage from the swelling of the brain that has a sense. Do you think that's a way to look at it? Yeah, absolutely. And again, we look at, and it's, you know, MAPS isn't just about autism. MAPS is really about chronic childhood illnesses, you know, complex kids. So whether it's autoimmunity or it's asthma or it's autism, it's ADD, whatever the neural development problem will be. I mean, you know, I just saw a study that said something like 18, 20% of kids have a neurodevelopment of problem now. That's a good question.

Because I always say, you know, when I'm giving my talks, I'll say, you know, that 60% of our children now are in a chronic illness category that's either autoimmune disease or neurological disorders. In your work, though, how much of the neurological disorders are actually autoimmune? Well, again, you're drawing a line that it's not a line. It's overlapping Venn diagrams. You know, because a lot of neurologic disorders are autoimmune, or they're inflammatory, or they're related to gut. You know, there's a gut-brain-immune connection. You can't really separate those things out.

So that's why you have to look at the whole child. You have to use systems biology. You can't come in and say you have an ear infection. It's caused by this bug, let me kill the bug. Because that's the AAP approach. And again, under the auspices of the AAP, despite their mission statement, they have failed miserably at what they're trying to do, right? Because all that has gotten worse. And again, that over 50% number is because a lot of kids have obesity, right?

That's what really kicks over 50 and 60. But even obesity has been shown to be related to toxic. So if you are a toxic person, you're much more likely to have obesity, type 2 diabetes, all that sort of stuff, whether you're a kid or adult. Right. You know, and if you're born with this stuff and you have a predisposition, you're much more likely to develop that early on in life and not wait till your 40s to get the beer gut. It's going to happen when you're sex, right? Is MAPS really in the work you're doing? Is this, I mean, people watch, right, is this for doctors?

Are there, what does a regular person want to know or need to know about MAPS? You're really looking, look, I always say we got a battle going on here, right? I mean, we just have a battle for our children's health, and it's not just our children, it's our adult's health. It's for people like Jim. You know, it's like we have a battle going on, and we have this system that's entrenched and well-financed and really driven by this pharmaceutical point of view. I mean, for every problem, there's a pharmaceutical to correct it.

So really what I'm trying to do is raise an army. I mean, this is sort of the image I have. I need an army, not just of doctors. I don't just need MDs and DOS. I need any practitioner. I always say if you got a certificate on the wall and you see kids in your office, you should be a part of maps

because we train practitioners to understand these principles, these principles of root cause medicine. Don't treat the symptom up here with the antibiotic for the ear infection. Treat it down here with the fact that this kid is sensitive to dairy and the dairy's keeping them congested

and not draining their ears. And if the ears plug up, eventually some bacteria is going to cause problems or some virus because most of them are viral. But if we can fix it down here, you never have to ask the question which antibiotics should I use because they're not going to get the ear infection in the first place. I mean, that's the approach, right? And so it's for... Should someone be seeing a MAPS doctor if their child is, like, is there a replacement for pediatrics? Do we go and do I just say, you know, my kids healthy? I want to keep them from

going into that space? That's an interesting question. I mean, unfortunately, there's not enough of it. You know, my goal was eventually, yes. that there would be enough maps doctors that you could do that. You know, because parents are always saying, well, what about my well-child visits? It's like, what's a well-child visit? Right, right? Because basically it's a vaccine appointment, right? I remember I read Jarvix, the guy that made the Jarvix heart like the first artificial heart. I just ran like read an article and the whole article was how he said,

if you are not sick, don't go to a doctor. He says, I just want to be perfectly clear, going to get checkups, going to get like he's like all of it you know prostates he was against all of it right when you go to a doctor they will start you on a path that will ultimately and more likely in your demise than doing any good for you I mean now it's just a shock is I mean you know well it again what medicine is really good at is acute care right right really good at

you know you got a gunshot wound you got acute leukemia you're having a heart attack we're very good at that that's what medicine shines at right and I always say you know if I'm in a car accident I lacerate my liver. I don't want a homeopath. I want a surgeon, right? You know, I want acute care. But what we are awful at is chronic care.

And the reason for that is the medications, the interventions we use, all have toxicity associated with it, right? Risk benefit, you've got to weigh the boat to determine how you're going to put a patient on it. Well, it's one thing if you're going to put a patient on something for two weeks, all right? It's another thing if you're going to put a patient on something for the rest of their life. And particularly a lot of these medications, and I'm thinking a lot of the cardiac drugs like the statin drugs and that sort of thing.

They do help a subset of people, but they put everybody on it. Right. This is, you know, back to the whole cancer treatment. All right, well, 100 people, it helps 30 of them, but we're going to put all 100 people on it. And it's not, you know, with chemo, it's not a no, no fault, no foul kind of thing. If you're wrong, you cause damage with this stuff, right? They understand that.

So that means you're giving it to 70 people, got no benefit, and it damaged their system. So again, that's part of the problem with the medications. And with kids, it's not, you know, an adult is a fully formed, fully developed human being. By the time you're 30, your brain stops developing. I mean, it continues, but the actual structure is no longer developing. So what you do to a five-year-old is going to cause permanent injury for the rest of their life, right? The flip side of that is what you do to help a five-year-old is going to improve the rest of their life. And again, if we want healthy adults, we've got to start with healthy kids.

And if we want healthy kids, we need to get off this bandwagon of your child has depression because they're suffering from an acute lack of prozac. That's not why they're depressed. Right. Your child's prozac deficient. Right. That's not why they're depressed. And so we need to look at what are these root causes?

What can we do to improve that? And yes, we need our regulatory agencies on our side. I mean, you know the story with vaccine safety. I'm not, you know, are there... You can't get to any, you can't put anything on the table because the regulatory agency, this is regulatory capture. You have corporate corruption. When you watch, you know, both all the last presidents, take the head of Exxon and make them put them more like a lawyer for Exxon into the EPA.

Merck and Pfizer go into CDC and NIH. You know, you take Verizon ends up running FCC. And it's, so you're, it's literally you're hiring foxes to guard the hen house. And then every time you say, can we look at the fox for a second? They're like, no, that's not allowed. And it's off the table. And how could you? And let me go on CNN and call you a bunch of names for even daring to say that that black box

warning that says on Prozac could cause suicidal ideations and homicidal thoughts, that that could somehow ever lead to a school shooting. You've got to be insane. You should never be allowed to speak publicly again when all you're saying is can't we at least put it on the table? Can we just take a look at it? Can we do some side glancing looks at it? And none of it. Vaccines.

Could vaccines be contributing to some of the autoimmune disease since it's designed to trick your immune system? I don't know. Just a thought off the table. Everything is off the table because our regulatory agencies are being run by the people that made these things. I mean, you've seen Aaron Siri deposed Catherine Edwards, right? So Catherine Edwards, for those of you that don't know, is one of the co-authors of the Bible on vaccines, Plotkin's vaccines, right? And she's under deposition, and he's asking her, and I'm paraphrasing because I'm not,

I don't have that kind of memory, but he basically asked her for each one of the vaccines that you get prior to one year. So this would be D-TAP and the Pugilovac vaccine and the rhodovirus, vaccine and the pneumococcus, all those things, Hep B and all that. He asked for each one of them, right? You know, definitively, scientifically, beyond the shadow of a doubt, does this cause vaccines? No. Does it cause autism?

Does it cause autism? Then, you know, the answer is no, for each one of them. And then the cluster of them, the same question, definitively does this cause autism? No. And then for each one of them, he goes back and he says, do you have the evidence that it doesn't cause autism? Right. And she has to say no.

Now, I don't think she's lying. I think she honestly believes that they don't cause autism. She has faith. You got to hand it to her. I do. And it's the power. It's the power of that system. She believes. She does believe.

She believes. Somebody say, hallelujah. But it is, I mean, that's what we're up against. Yes. You know, we are up against a machine that somehow has managed to brainwash. Very intelligent human beings, right? You don't get out of medical school if you're stupid. So these are very intelligent human beings.

And able to brainwash them to the point of which where she would defend that to the death. She'd be burned at the stake rather than admit that they caused autism, right? Because that's what you're used. I feel like there's a good death. I mean, like, really, I did my service to humanity. I think. I mean, I'm not those people.

I'm sure the comments are going, Del, you guys are crazy. These are sick, twisted human beings that are out, you know. I don't even want to go there, right? You know, I mean, you know, if we can change the CDC grade, if we can change the NIH grade, and certainly there is a certain presidential candidate, probably can do that. But really, what I'm looking at is what can I do in the system that we have now? And that's where we need people to come to maps. And I'm looking for, you know, I know I'm preaching to the choir on your show for the most part,

but what I'm looking for, you know, parents tell your doctors. I mean, you can tell if your doctor's burned out, if your doctor's frustrated. I can't imagine being a pediatrician, seeing a patient every five to ten minutes, knowing that the kid you're putting the antibiotics on, they're going to be back in two months for another round of antibiotics because you haven't done anything for why they have it. You know that. If you've been in practice more than 10 years, you know that, right?

And those are the people we want to bring over. We're not crackpots. We teach science. So if you're a doctor out there, you've got a kid coming on on the third round of antibiotics, you're thinking, boy, this doesn't make a whole lot of sense. you need to make a shift. Right. And it's not just, again, it's not just doctors as any practitioners.

So, you know, we're counting on parents because those doctors probably are not watching the show, right? But the parents are. We need them to reach out to their physicians, their practitioners, and say, hey, have you heard of MAPS? Go to a conference. And I'm telling you, if anybody comes to one of our conferences, they will be hooked. It is different than any other conference out there. You're enveloped in the community. It's not just, you'll learn more than you will anywhere else.

You'll learn stuff that you didn't know. And I mean, I've been doing this for 36 years. There's not a single conference I go to that I don't learn something. Our last conference, we did the Spellers people. We did Elizabeth Bonker and we did some of the other spellers. And it was just amazing. I mean, it wasn't a dry eye in the house. And it was an amazing conference.

We sold that out. We sold that out. Like people that waited to the last minute, sorry, we don't have any seats left. You know, we're not kidding. We don't have any seats. So that's what we're looking to do. We want to keep growing this thing. And then also the other outreach that we're looking at, Maps is now nonprofit.

So, you know, people can donate to us. But we're looking to outreach to students. Because I always thought the two places you can reach people. One is as a student. Students are open books. I mean, they'll suck up whatever information you give them. So, you know, we're looking to offer either discounted tuition for students or scholarships. We're trying to build that into our structure, our financial structure,

so that we can get them from the very beginning. So, you know, if you're interested in pediatrics, you're interested in family practice, and you're some type of professional student, yeah, we want you at MAPS as well. I love this, James, because it's about solutions. I mean, one of the things that I don't feel like we get to do enough of on the high wire, which is we point out a lot of the issues

and the problems and what we need to be worrying about, but then what do I do with that information? How do I do anything about it? That's what you're involved in, which is retraining, rethinking, how medicine should be working. Is there any chance? One of the things is I'm in these think tanks,

all over the world, even in Geneva, how do we fix the system? I'm like, we need a new licensing body, right? Is that out there in the future of maps? Is it possible somewhere out in the future? You're like, I want that type of doctor. They should have their own licensing system. The issue with the licensing is that the licensing is intimately tied into ordering testing

and, you know, if you do need pharmaceuticals, that's with the licensing. So you pretty much would need a completely parallel system of medicine, where you have your license through the system, you can order labs through the system, you can order medications through the system. So you'd have to have an entire system. That's more than I can bite off right now. But, again, what I'm trying to do is within what we have right now,

Within the hierarchy and the regulations of what we have right now, what can we do to train practitioners to get better outcomes? I mean, what would the future look like if we had a bunch of kids that were eating the way they're supposed to, that were detoxified, that weren't having their immune systems blasted out of the water, that weren't being fed antibiotics at the drop of a hat, that weren't being put on pharmaceuticals because they had a, you know, because they're depressed and you're not looking at the why

and you're just throwing a drug at them, what would that future look like to have those kids grow up and become healthy adults? What would that do to the price, the cost that we are paying for medicine, you know, for our medical care, and maybe move us up

because we weren't always at number 37 or 38, right? We were at the top at one point. Yeah, but that was before we now have a pharmaceutical industry that has a strangle. Well, we gave drug prisoners. We didn't do what you were doing, which it used to be, honestly, you go and talk to, you know,

let's Dr. Sears, the father of the family. Yeah, Bob's father. Huh? Yeah, I forgot. But I mean, back when doctors actually talk to the patient, listen to the patient, Andy Wakefield talks about this. You used to be taught to listen to the patient.

The patient knows best. They're going to give you the information you need that no one else knows. Now it's like they blame, you know, society if you're being Dr. Google, all of our doctors are Dr. Google. Right? It's like, oh, autism, like you said, oh, so, beep, all right, here take this, drug.

what makes you sick add this one to it. It's what has become. How do we, where's the next conference at? Well, the next conference is going to be in Scottsdale. In September, it's going to be the 5th through the 7th. Beautiful place. It's actually a great place to bring families in the fall. So we do like that one.

It is gorgeous. And the setup for this is gorgeous. It's got a couple of pools. They each have their own bar and food area. But the conference is going to be. Some math doctors still drink once in a while. Okay. All right.

This is the crazy backward world we have, right? If you look at the top, reversible causes of mortality, right? Number one is whether or not you smoke. Smoking being bad thing, right, right, right. Actually, I'm sorry, number one is your vitamin C level. That's what you eat. Oh, wow, okay. Number two is whether or not you smoke, smoking being bad.

The number three for men is alcohol, and number four is exercise. Number three for women is exercise. Number four is alcohol. Alcohol being a positive, you live longer if you drink, right? And the reason why there's a difference between men and women is alcohol causes prostate cancer and breast cancer. Men tend not to die of prostate cancer, women do die of breast cancer, right? So I always tell my male patients, you know, you've got a choice between the bar and the gym, go to the bar first, because she'll live longer. It's not that alcohol is healthy.

Okay. Okay, very clearly, it's not all, I drink rent wine, it is resveratrol, it's an antioxas. It's like, I drink martini's and I get the same benefit. And there's no antioxidants. What does that benefit? It's because it relaxes you. It is the cost of that stress response being turned on 24-7 all the time. You do it right here.

So meditating might be a better way. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. There are other ways to get the benefit. You know, the martini is the quick way. But, yeah, it's a little... And we want to donate or do anything. If you want to get involved with you, what's your website? Yeah, so the website for Maps is medmaps.org.

we actually have a, you can click on a, one of those things, yeah, QR codes. One of those things, yeah, QR codes. To donate, you know, and then also, because we're just trying to get our footing financially, we're also appealing to anybody out there that is interested in supporting this cause. You know, people that have been fortunate in life

and have money that they want to donate, you know, we are looking for larger donors that can help us get our feet on the ground so we can hit the ground running. So, you know, I'm really excited about the future. Our growth has been like this, too. I mean, our growth looks like the autism growth. Yeah, that's what it is.

I mean, the needs like this. And so, I mean, and everyone I know that's whether you were mainstream or not, you come up, you run into a dead end. You're told there's nothing I can do. We've given them all the drugs we can think of. Sorry your kid's not doing better. A lot, how cancer goes. And then moving into other spaces. So, you know, there's a huge need and there's plenty of work there.

Well, and I just, you know, glad you mentioned that because I just want to put on a plug. I mean, you know, I came here to talk about maps and what we're doing with the kids, but, you know, Jim's death has affected all of us, and it's been tough. I mean, I wasn't that close a friend of his. I knew him. You know, I'd been on the stage with him. I knew his work. I knew his passion. But the whole thing with something as complex is cancer, you know, don't get one opinion.

You know, don't rely strictly on your oncologist. Number one, sorry, yeah, consult Dr. Google, but also consult an integrative practitioner that understands cancer because there may be things you can do to improve outcomes, even when they say there's nothing we can do. And don't wait until you're at death's door to do something like that, you know. And that's what I really, I think, is tragedy because most of these chemo regimens wipe out your ability to fight the cancer in the first place. And if they work, great.

But if they don't work, what are you left with? I love that you're out there paving, you know, the new old way of medicine. It's so important. It's a cartel now. It's a drug cartel that you're up against. And so if anyone's out there, if you're out there and you've done well in life, this is really a worthy cause. It is another way that we can fight for our future. There it is. Medmabs.com. There's a QR code. Keep up the great work. Thank you so much. Thank you for all the support you've provided to the high

wire you're one of my confidants to people that I lean on many many times I'm just just really honored to be able to love my friend the feelings mutual though as I as I like to say you know when things get dark I turn on the high wire good let's keep it that way I'm glad Vodark reminded me we all got a laugh yes we do it could all start to you know get ridiculously scary