The Highwire with Del Bigtree - DR. MCCULLOUGH ON MONKEYPOX

Episode Date: June 4, 2022

As the monkeypox outbreak saturates the news cycle, we check in with Epidemiologist and Cardiologist Dr. Peter McCullough to look into the danger the virus poses to the public.#MonkeyPox #SmallPoxVaccineBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-highwire-with-del-bigtree--3620606/support.

It's the topic of the time. It's there. It's in the moment. It's probably got you scratching your head. If you've got any brain cells going on in your head, are you saying, really? Monkeypox? Take a look at this.

A mysterious new outbreak of monkeypox is growing. Expert stress. There is no need for alarm. There is nothing to panic about. We don't want people to worry. I'm not sure we're at the concern where people should have any sort of sense of panic. The fatality risk is low. The WHO says the death rate from monkey pox is usually around 3 to 6% of cases.

It's less contagious than smallpox and causes less severe illness. Most people recover from it in a few weeks. Symptoms include fever and headache, feeling tired and swollen glands. The majority of people who get this have a self-limited illness. They do not proceed to some of those graphic images that we've kind of seen flash across the news. And there's a lot of good news to think about one is it's not nearly as transmissible. It's transmitted by really close contact, usually with bodily fluids. It isn't one of those types of viruses that are so well transmitted like COVID,

where people in a grocery store can get it. I don't think it's going to be widespread in terms of an epidemic that we've seen, you know, in the order of COVID. The good news is we've known about monkeypox for a long time. We have a vaccine, a smallpox vaccine that appears to work well. to control this? The US government has ordered approximately 13 million doses of a vaccine that protects against monkey pox.

Well, you know, when I look at those headlines, you know, I wanted to point something out because on the one hand, you know, they're playing it pretty mild, right? I mean, they're saying, you know, it's really not that infectious. I don't think it's something you should fear. You know, there's only a few cases right now.

Many people don't get the postules. They sort of stay, they have more of a dormant version of this. And it all kind of seems like, me, you know, but I want to point out, and by the way, I hope it stays at meh, and then just burns out and disappears. But there's just something weird because it's not just here. It was in England where I was. This is an international story. And as I was reflecting on it, you know, we want to remember that COVID just set off with this bang and they're like, oh my God, people are dropping dead in China, but it really wasn't the case. And what I want you to contemplate

is if this is scripted, if these things truly are scripted, then we would see, you know, a similarity. We would see the way this all scripts out. So you just saw us how they sort of lightly peddle it. We want to tell you about it. It looks really scary. We're going to send you really scary images, but we're going to tell you it's not a big deal. We just don't see this being a big deal. It's almost exactly how coronavirus started.

Just to remind you, listen to this. Coronavirus officially hitting the U.S. The outbreak of a new viral pneumonia in China is on the move. Should we be changing our habits? And if so, how? No, right now at this moment, there is no need to change anything if you're doing on a day-by-day basis. There is absolutely no reason for the American population to panic. People are worried. Should they be worried? Are they worried unnecessarily?

I don't think people should be frightened. I mean, the risk right now, today, currently, is really relatively low. officials in the United States deem the overall risk to the U.S. population to be low. There's a lot of confusion among people and misinformation surrounding face masks. People should not be walking around with masks. You're sure of it because people are listening really closely to this. Wearing a mask might make people feel a little bit better. The drugstore masks that sell have a lot of loopholes in them that led the virus through.

You think about the initial cases of SARS, case fatality rate was much higher. So it looks like this virus is less severe. You are more likely to get sick to be hospitalized and to die from the seasonal flu by far than from coronavirus. It's milder than we ever knew. Worry about the flu. That will kill you. So, I mean, it's shocking, right? You kind of forget that that's how this all started.

Now, my point being is you have to understand nothing you're seeing on television is accidental. The television is owned by the pharmaceutical industry. Your television is literally thought of as a billboard in your house. I worked in television, I know. When you work on a television show, they make sure you know that all this work and you're working these crazy, ridiculous hours into the night. For me, it was the Dr. Phil show, then the doctor's television show. But really, your job is to keep people glued to the television so that they don't go away for the ads. To keep them there so they get to the advertising.

Keep their attention on the billboard in their house. That's what this is about. So when they start rolling something out, there's a way they have psychologists all over the world. They've studied this. They know if they just jump out with a panic, you might be skeptical. That might trigger a skeptical thing. But what they say is, hey, I remember that when they were telling me this really wasn't a big deal, but now that they're ramping up, obviously something's changing because they were totally honest with me before.

At least that's how this could go. And I'm not saying I have any idea. I'm just as shocked as you. I went away to England. all of a sudden there's an outbreak out of nowhere. So I'm just trying to put out some thoughts on what we need to be aware of. And the reason I'm really skeptical of what I'm looking at and why I am having a concern that they're going to try and move with this monkey pox thing

and see if they can't ramp up another giant fear porn event for all of us is number one, they're already buying vaccines, they're already talking about the vaccines, but number two, there's been this guy that keeps predicting things are going to, going to happen right around the corner and he's one of the greatest psychics we know on this earth. This guy is more accurate than almost any psychic you could go to. Of course, I'm talking about our good friend Bill Gates. Let's remember what he is prophesized is going to happen in our very near future. Bill Gates, how to prevent the next pandemic.

Why are you saying there's going to be a next pandemic, Bill? Why are you putting that juju on us? Given all that we've been through, it may seem. surprising that I'm optimistic that we can prevent the next pandemic. We have to make sure that we're ready because there will be another pandemic. And there's so many lessons about how we weren't prepared, how we should have handled things differently. Asia is a big risk in Africa is also a big risk, because the boundary between humans and animals

is getting closer and closer. You know, if we're rational, yes, the next time we'll catch it early. and it won't go global like it did this time. Something people don't like to talk about much, which is bioterrorism, that somebody who wants to cause damage could engineer a virus. What if a bioterrorist brought smallpox to 10 airports,

how would the world respond to that? Stopping the next pandemic will require a big investment. But I think of this as the best insurance policy the world could buy. there will be more pandemics. You know, we'll have to prepare for the next one. That, you know, I'd say we'll get attention this time. God, these people smile in the weirdest times, don't they? It's so bizarre to watch it. But look, I'm getting the point, and I've been thinking about this a lot. I think I'm going to say this officially to the audience. What I would say this, whatever Bill Gates

predicts is going to happen in the future, I would go ahead and take us, word for it. I think I'm at that point. Now, I don't know if you think he's a seer and a visionary, or somehow in some strange way, all of those things that he's investing in, like Wuhan laboratories and the WHO and all this stuff around the world gives him an inside look at what's coming our way. Either way, he keeps being right. If he's telling us there's a pandemic around the corner, I would act accordingly. Now, obviously, we would act differently than he wants us to act. And when he's saying, I think we can do a better job in the few. I could find videos where I'll show you how enamored he is by how Shanghai is handling this.

You know, really getting it locked down. We just didn't do it hard enough. That's why we failed. It's like communism. The only reason communism hasn't worked is we just haven't done it the right way. We haven't locked you down the right way. Yes, we can hide from a virus. We haven't achieved it yet, but we could if we really took away every right that you have.

And the other thing that really makes me nervous is I look to Davos, Switzerland. and, you know, we have the great reset discussion that's continued to go on is the types of conversations are going there. And the fact that we just won, folks, this is why I think you've got to be really alert. We won this battle. They did not get the vaccine passport. They wanted to be tracking every one of us. Every billionaire meeting this week wants control of your body and to know where you are,

what you're doing, what you're buying, what you're saying, who you love, who you hate. All of that is a part of the technologies that they're going to make their next job. trillion dollars off of. So if you think this is over, we don't have a vaccine passport yet. I think that's a problem. So what are they going to do? They're going to have to find something that makes us do that. Remember, this is what was being discussed when it came to coronavirus. COVID is critical because this is what convinces people to accept, to legitimize total biometric surveillance. We want to stop this epidemic, we need not just to monitor people, but we need not just to monitor people, we need to monitor what's happening under the skin.

That was Yuval Noah Harari, one of the big, exciting voices that appears in Davos and works hand in hand there with Klaus Schwab. I mean, he's telling you right there. The great thing about coronavirus, or really you could just replace it with the great thing about a pandemic disease, is it makes people decide that they have to comply because we've made them terrified. And then once they're terrified, we can start tracking it. them and I'm not just talking about tracking where they are, I'm talking about tracking them under their skin into their bioidentification. That's where we hack into the human body. This is how literally what these people are saying, you know, behind closed doors where cameras

are running right now as we speak. So as I think about what is this all about, I don't think we can just brush this aside. I think we should recognize that monkey pox is nothing to be afraid of, but let's just watch how this plays out. Now we look to at the CDC, I believe it's the CDC that sort of talks about the symptoms of monkey pox. Let's just look at that really quick because I think this plays into the whole thing. What is monkey pox? The case of the rare disease has turned up in the U.S. Here's what to know.

Here are the early symptoms. Fever, headache, muscle legs, backache, swollen lymph nodes, chills, exhaustion. What? I mean, do you realize this is how they do it, right? You know, I got monkey pox. You know, you got a cold, bro. Chill out. You know, oh my God, my daughter's coughing.

She's got monkey fox. This is how they do it. And by the way, those would be all the symptoms of coronavirus. Those would also be the symptoms of the failure of the vaccine or perhaps even a vaccine injury that's kicking in. Maybe you have Guillain-Barre syndrome setting into your body. They could call it. I mean, this is a lot of what a lot of people are wondering, are they going to try and hide vaccine injury in monkeypox? I don't know.

You know me. I hope you realize on this show that I'm not a conspiracy theorist. I am a theorist. I look at the science. We can put it out there. We can discuss it. Are there conspiracies going on? I think that you could call what's happening in Davos, Switzerland, a conspiracy. It's a conspiracy amongst billionaires to decide the fate of the world. That's what it is. But as we look at it, we can breathe into it. We can try to imagine where it's going. I don't know what it is. I'm not going to make any strong. statements, but to get to the bottom what we actually know about it scientifically, what we know about these vaccines, I want to bring in a scientist and a doctor that is one of the greatest in the world that has been doing just that. I'm talking about Dr. Peter McCullough. He just appeared at the event I had there in England at the Better Way conference, and I think what he said there was prophetic to this situation we are discussing right now in Monkey Parks. Just take a listen to this. What we're seeing now is the utilization of vaccines as an inroad to global human compliance.

Subjugation of the entire world's population at the same time, via the same method. Subjugation, having our rights linked to the end of a hypodermic needle. That's the common theme. That was Dr. Peter McCullough. Just moments ago at the same conference I was at in the UK and Bath, England. And obviously, I'm just excited to have Dr. Peter McCullough just moments after that to talk about the monkey pox. So, Peter, you know, my first question for you is, as soon as you saw this monkey pox thing, I know what was running through my head.

I mean, for me, it was just like, oh, come on. But what was your thought when you saw this headline starting to sweep the world, really? It's here we go again. That was the first thing I remarked on. But, you know, quickly as a doctor, I do have to be prepared. And, you know, brief review, monkeypox is in the orthopox virus family, double-stranded DNA virus. There's cowpox, smallpox, camelpox, and monkeypox. It's a puscular rash, basically. It's transmitted through the pustules, the blisters on the skin. through the saliva, close facial contact, kissing, sexual contact. It was discovered in 1958, first human case in the 1970s. U.S. outbreak in 2003, when prairie dogs, as pets were mixed

with giant pouch rats from Africa, the Congo Basin, that's where this emanates from. And then humans contracted it. Importantly, no deaths in that U.S. outbreak in 2003. So my first question. Then a huge literature developed, yeah. My first question then is there's a lot of people that will say this is just like, what about, you know, we're seeing these herpes that are, I mean, the herpes zoss or the, you know, shingles and chicken pox, you know, they're going to try and make that the smallpox or something, but they are very, they're different viruses, right?

They're not even in the same family. Like there's a big difference between a chicken pox and, you know, these monkey pox, cowpox and things like that, correct? Yeah, there's no doubt about it. There are different skin lesions. They're larger and more puscular. They involve the palms, which very few rashes do that. But there's actually quite a literature on monkeypox because it's related to smallpox.

And obviously we hear smallpox. That's a terrifying, you know, horrible thought. When we talk about vaccination, you know, the one thing you always hear when people say, like, I'm really, I'm starting to delay some of my vaccines or I'm hesitant. I don't want to do it. We hear smallpox and polio. We've eradicated smallpox. We've eradicated polio.

That's what vaccines are for. And so, you know, when we start hearing pox, it's very scary, right? It's a lot, you know, as soon as we start thinking about lesions and things like that and attributing to smallpox. So the monkey pox, they've been around. You're saying that the last outbreak was not deadly. Have there been any outbreaks of, you know, is there a strain that we've seen? scene of monkey pox that was deadly?

There have been some deaths attributed to monkeypox. You know, over the decades, you know, there have been thousands of cases most in Africa. The deaths have occurred in regions where there's little or no health care or in advanced HIV in younger men with advanced HIV who are already ill. But the reason why this is such a big deal is because there's an effort afoot to counter protect against smallpox or even monkeypox bioterrorism. Right.

We have, you know, this idea that we're already hearing, right? We're already hearing that they're going to order vaccines and things like that. But before we get into it, I want to just, I just want to really understand this virus. You're saying it's not deadly. How contagious is it? Because my understanding is monkeypox is very hard to transmit, yet we're seeing, you know, multiple countries and not even countries that share borders. This thing just sort of all of a sudden starts appearing around the world. There's something suspicious about that or am I just missing something? You're right. It's

very hard to transmit. And as evidence for this, the CDC told us about a case here in Dallas, Texas last summer. Now a man from Africa traveled to Atlanta and then to Dallas, and he had many, many contacts. He developed this postular lesion. He finally was hospitalized. He was given the FDA approved drug called Tico Viramat or T-Pox. He did perfectly fine. But importantly, the CDC has a monkey pox response team. There was nearly three dozen authors on this paper in MMWR, which just appeared last month in April of 2022. Importantly, they checked every contact. And despite him having the illness, not a single person contracted it. not a single person. So it's very hard to transmit, has an R not, way less than one.

And so what this means is that it takes a lot of contact, like I say, kissing, sexual contact, touching the lesions. And so there are some reports coming out of Antwerp, Belgium, in Europe, that it may have actually been transmitted at some sex raves or orgies. Well, I mean, I guess that's one of the side effects of, you know, permiscuous, you know, sexual interaction, hepatitis, hepatitis issues, those are the types of things that, you know, that those are the types of people that are at high risk. I'm not going to tell anyone how to live their lives, but, you know, that would be a high risk group for these types of illnesses. So then, so is the understanding we think it was a bunch of people at a rave that then flew back

to the different countries they were from. That is how this suddenly sort of got into, I think I think nearly, you know, right around a dozen or so countries right now so far involved in this. You know, we really need confirmation. I've seen at least four sets of fraudulent Internet reports where they're actually using old pictures from several years ago, almost as a scare. You know, I think everyone should have some healthy skepticism. In March of 2021, the nuclear threat initiative, which is a think tank out of Washington met in Murph, with the Munich Biosecurity Group and they did a monkeypox bioterrorism tabletop exercise. This is the timeline in the report from NTI and the release date of the monkeypox outbreak

is scheduled in May of 2022, almost, you know, according to the schedule of when we started to see the monkeypox cases being reported. Wait a minute, another sort of event 201 type scenario. where they were gaming out a potential biological threat or release that could sweep the world. And their scenario starts a year later in May of 2022. I'm sorry to wonder, are these people psychic? Do they know something we don't know? Or are we somehow?

Is this like the ultimate proof that what you fear you draw upon you? But it is really bizarre that timing. And so when they ran this scenario, what was the results? What kind of numbers were they looking at when, you know, when they went sort of worst case scenario with monkeypox? They had conceived of a scenario where the monkeypox would not be responsive to a vaccine. And there would be many millions who actually die of monkeypox. The numbers were extraordinary that they cooked up. But I can tell you the release date of May 15th, that's just a week before the WHO meeting on the global treatment.

for pandemic response and right just before the Davos meeting for the World Economic Forum. You know, the timing of this would make anyone naturally suspicious. Right. It really is very suspicious. And here's what's also suspicious, because before we started, I played, you know, sort of the similarity in this moment we find ourselves in to just at the beginning of coronavirus. They were down playing at Tony Fauci saying, this really isn't that big a deal. Americans don't need to worry about it. We're hearing very much the same thing now around monkeypox.

And you and I both think, I mean, that should be the case. And it should have been the case with the coronavirus, by the way. That ended up having a death rate of about 0.26% across the world. You know, it fluctuates a little bit, depending on what age group you're looking at. In my mind, not worthy of the level of extreme lockdown, shutdowns, denial of access to proper medical care, you know, total. government control of doctors. None of that should have happened with the death rate that that had. And this feels so similar. It's, again, almost a benign disease that will be bad for maybe a very

small group of people, but we're hearing the same language that it's really not that big a deal. And what's bothersome about it for me, Peter, is why did they pick this monkeypox a year ago? So a year ago, you have a major gaming of monkeypox in particular. And then, ironically, or, you know, prophetically one year later, it's monkeypox that comes out. But then the first knee-jerk reaction is to say, oh, go back to sleep, everybody. This isn't a big deal. I mean, we only gamed it as like wiping out millions of people last year, but we're going to tell you right now it's not a big deal.

There's just something really stinks in how this is all lining up. But to fill out the information, you know, there have been some planning for this. So there actually is a smallpox, monkeypox. medicine called Ticoviromat known as T-Pox. It's oral. It's safe and effective. And just a few days ago, our FDA has approved it for intravenous use. So this case that landed in Dallas last year, he got Tico-Viromat.

So it's safe and effective. It inhibits a cell surface receptor for the virus and looks very good. It's got some drug interactions, but it inhibits the VP 37 receptor. and can easily manage, you know, so it's available to us. The US has a stockpile of two million doses of this. But shockingly, when the Monkey Pock's story started to evolve, we heard a report that the US government had actually purchased 13 million doses of the Genios vaccine.

The Genios vaccine. So wait a minute, the Genios vaccine was coming along in 2018, 2019. And in fact, this is a, a live attenuated vaccine. And with it, in a study of over 3,003 people in the package insert, you know what the trouble is? Myocarditis or heart inflammation. And now there's already reports of heart inflammation

with this vaccine, Kieneth and colleagues reported in 2018 heart damage with the product in a young man age 36. Now, the interesting thing is clinically, though, the people who are at risk for dying our young individuals with HIV, we can't use live attenuated viruses in people with HIV because they're immunocompromised. Well, here's then so, so let's just stay right here for a second because I want to jump into the idea of being immunocompromised in just a second. But we ordered 13 million of these vaccines.

Now, is this the same vaccine I was seeing headlines on last year that could be used for smallpox also this live attenuated vaccine? And I'm like, wait a minute, why are we introducing a live anything with smallpox or pox, especially like an eradicated disease, why would you start messing with that? And so we have 13 million of these vaccines, and you're saying the known side effects, and the numbers are fairly high, right, in the trials of this vaccine, they had pretty high issues of myocarditis, and then, I believe, troponin levels. Is that correct? Right. So up to 18% had elevations in cardiac troponin. This is worrisome. for subclinical myocarditis, we know that the smallpox virus itself has some tropism for the heart.

And so the last thing we want to do, introduce is a live attenuated virus that in fact would cause heart damage in ostensibly well people. There have already been case reports proving this with MRI and other clinical sources of data. So the U.S. pulls a trigger for this. And actually the former FDA chairman, Scott Godley, was on CNBC the other day advising on what's called perimeter or rim vaccination, meaning if there's a monkeypox patient, anybody who's in a rim of exposure contact, that they would take one of these vaccines. Now, the vaccine has to be given a shot number one and then four weeks shot number two. It's obviously going to be too late for any

type of protection for someone who's come in contact with monkeypox. So do you think they're going to use this prophylactically if we see a few more cases starting to spread? I mean, that's always my concerned. The truth is, Peter, when it comes to vaccinations, if you're using it as a treatment, if you're using it for a very specific group of people that are maybe going into a very high-risk situation, maybe a doctor that deals with blood all the time and are worried about hepatitis B, that's one thing. But like giving a hepatitis B vaccine to children that aren't going to have no risk at it as babies, that's why I start having an issue. And so I'm really concerned. If there's risk to monkeypox, look, if you work in a zoo,

with monkeys or whatever. I mean, like, however this works, that's one thing. But do we do think we have a risk where they may start prophylacting delivering this vaccine? I think the vaccine would be certainly a greater risk than ever getting monkeypox. I agree, you know, if they had monkey handlers, veterinarians, trappers, other people in the Congo basin,

you know, if there was a reason to get to the source of it, it always comes out of the Central African Congo basin. That's where this emanates from. I wouldn't have any problem with it. that. But I'm deeply concerned that, you know, Americans are going to be petrified. And you know, another important point is that the smallpox vaccination program faced out in 1976 in the United States. Smallpox vaccine in a paper by beer and colleagues published in 2019 clearly provides protection against monkeypox. So here, anybody over age 50, Dell, they're already covered.

And so I wouldn't see any reason for those individuals to get the monkeypox. Pox vaccine. I did notice, though, in the Genios program, they went ahead and tried the vaccine and people had already taken the smallpox vaccine, again, with this intent of almost over-vaccining somebody. Okay, so now let's get to what I think is really my concern is something. When I first was looking at this, of course I jumped to, I mean, are they just pushing another sort of fake pandemic, whatever it is? I mean, you know, you can never prove it. I don't want to, I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but I'm super skeptical for all the reasons you've already pointed out. But we are in a different scenario here. So much of our reporting, I know much of your investigations

has led you to many of the same conclusions. A lot of the strong statements being made by Dr. Ryan Cole looking at the toll-like receptors. We know that this coronavirus vaccine that we just gave the hundreds of millions, really over billion people around the world. Many of the first world nations where we're starting to see this thing have very high vaccine rates here in america well over 60 percent have gotten you know two of these vaccines and if the side of it in fact the design of this vaccine is to shut down the toll like receptors to affect your t cells i mean all of this in a space and we're even hearing mainstream media recognize even dr jennifer ashton said on on the news just last week you should really think about that for you should really think about that

fourth booster because a lot of the reports and the problems of the fourth booster is immune exhaustion or some description of the immune system just giving up and shutting down. And it's not just shutting down for coronavirus, it's shutting down for, you know, it's why we're seeing herpes off. We're seeing the shingles as a side effect. Clearly the immune system is is not, is is, is being suppressed by this vaccine. So when you say that the monkey pox is really at risk for people suffering from HIV, you know, it's kind of amazing that when we talk about immune exhaustion and an immune system that's been wiped out by the coronavirus vaccine, we're not hearing compared to HIV and AIDS, but essentially that's what they're saying. Isn't it? We're talking about, you know, an acquired

immune deficiency. This, in this case, acquired by the previous bunches of COVID vaccines you had. Is it possible that monkeypox or even other viruses that tend to not be a big deal in a population that maybe have a really deficient immune system caused by the vaccine campaign we just went through that we could see this start to spreading communities outside of gay communities where, you know, HIV and AIDS is much higher? We are seeing examples of a second hit hypothesis. This is what you're bringing up. That is the first hit being SARS-CoV-2, whether it be the respiratory infection or the infection plus multiple doses of the vaccine and getting loaded with genetic material and spike protein. But one of the first examples of a second hit problem is the pediatric outbreak of hepatitis. And there in a paper in Lancet Hepatology, Broden and Arditi published a paper summarizing the data saying that what's at the base of this is called Sputon. like protein super antigens. And there the children have either gotten COVID-19 been exposed to the vaccines or parents

been exposed to them and then they get adenovirus 41 and develop a very serious form of hepatitis, some leading to transplant or death. We have now a clear track record of varicelisoster reactivation after COVID-19 and the vaccines and now Epstein-Barr virus reactivation. And you're pointing out something even more, I think, important that the there's a term that's been generated called vaccine-induced immunodeficiency syndrome. Now, it's not HIV. It's not AIDS. It's not the HIV virus, but it's like HIV, where we see acutely there's lymphocyte depression, there's impairment of the immune system.

And in fact, there's even impairment and immune system of fighting off COVID. So we're seeing worse cases of breakthrough COVID in those who are most fully vaccinated. That's supported in the literature. Recent paper shows that the... those who've been vaccinated, they have a less robust immune response against all the epitopes of SARS-CoV-2. So when you now, as a doctor, I would think there's almost like two personalities going on. Through everything that we've all been through this pandemic, you are obviously as mainstream as it gets.

You're the most published doctor on the coronavirus itself, the most published heart specialist in the world when it comes to all these other, you know, the medical knowledge you have. But on the one hand, you're here telling us, don't worry folks, monkeypox is really not that big a deal. It doesn't tend to cause deaths. It shouldn't spread that fast. This is probably a bit of an alarm going off that we could be over the top. But on the other hand, when you look at the health of the world after coronavirus and even more specifically what we're talking about, after this massive corona vaccine program where they have delivered three and four shots knowing

it's suppressed the immune system in some ways even on purpose, is there a part of you that this sort of wakes up a deeper concern for a real drop in overall health amongst those that have really taken a lot of these vaccines. They have this spike protein floating around their bodies. It's not a natural RNA. It's something that Dr. Robert Malone's talking a lot about. We didn't make the vaccine out of a natural human RNA. We put in the uridine. This is a special molecule.

We don't know how long it's going to persist in the body. Do you have a concern? Does it make you look at this differently? Like, on the one hand, yes, I want to be able to treat monkeypox. But on the other hand, we may be dealing with a monkey pox on top of an immune system that has been hampered by a vaccine or previous infections that could take this to do a totally different world. It's certainly possible. Two things come to mind. One is actually intentional release or spread of the virus, exactly what the NTI in Munich group thought was going to happen.

Right. That has to come to mind, right? They're doing this scenario to play this out. The CDC has a monkeypox response team. So we have to play out that possibility. And so if there was intentional release or intentional spread to cause harm and we see far more cases. than we would ever expect naturally, that has to come to mind. The second issue is could the immune system of these younger people have been knocked down? We need good case data to figure out who's had SARS-CoV-2 and who's had the vaccine.

We still don't know. The good news here though is it looks like the elderly, and I guess you and I potentially would be in this group, we've already had, I had it called my mom to find out if I got smallpox vaccine and my mom knew that I did, me and my brothers, I can tell you, Delle, we don't have to worry. We're protected.

All right. So to get into what you just said, though, this idea of a release, a purposeful release or even an accidental release, this was at the heart of the coronavirus, the COVID-19 pandemic. Obviously, I got in a lot of trouble talking about lab origin. Two years into this now, that seems that's really the consensus. And I'm not the consensus means anything, but we're all leaning towards it was a lab in Wuhan. Is there any suspicion that the monkeypox has been being worked at in any labs around the world, especially in the middle of this Ukraine-Russia war? We heard so much about those biolabatories and the concern that what if Russia went in there,

what if they blew it up or people, you know, ran out and were not protecting what was inside of there. Where are we at with monkeypox inside of labs? You know, have we been doing any work with monkeypox? That's a very good question. And in 2022, a paper has appeared by Yang and colleagues from the Biossecurity Lab Level 4 in Wuhan, China. So here we are right back to Wuhan. Now here, the paper deals with development of PCR techniques for a segment of the DNA code of the monkeypox virus.

But to answer your question more broadly, I don't see evidence of an intentional release. If you look at the case count over time, you know, there have been thousands of cases, and cumulatively they're going up over time. There was this case in Dallas last year. No one made a big deal out of it. Took the CDC about nine months to publish it. There wasn't a scare. It actually never even made the news in Dallas that I can recall.

So I think right now, I think we're okay. It's just that too many things are a coincidence right now with monkey pucks. And then the fact that this would rise to the level of a statement by our president. President, the United States puts out a warning that we should all be concerned about monkeypox. Well, you know, any last thoughts? I mean, as we watch this, it's so hard, we're not doctors, we're not scientists. We have a media system that just keeps repeating a very small anecdotal incident, which we then personalize. It starts ramping up our fear and our concern. I kind of wonder sometimes, you know, whether these things are happening on purpose, like you said, even coronavirus, if there's like a litmus test where they're trying to see

how stressed out we get to see if they could hook us enough to really make another push to try and make this the reason we get the vaccine and get the vaccine passport and get ourselves signed up to that technology you spoke so clearly about at the conference in Bath. You know, we know that's their agenda. They keep looking for that opportunistic moment. I mean, I guess I wonder, is it our reaction right now that determines whether they think they can turn this into a reason to engage in all of that technology they want to leash upon us. But for your average person out there, what do you think we, how should we be carrying ourselves

right now? Should we be suspicious? Should we keep our eye on it? Should we forget it exists? How do you think we avoid being manipulated by these types of concerns? I think it is a test of our hypervigilance. That's what psychologists say that we are in a state of hypervigilance on microbial disease. In 2017, CEPI, the Center for Epidemic Preparedness and Innovation formed by the World Health Organization, a World Economic Forum in the Gates Foundation, they created a business plan. And their business plan is published. It says that CEPI will look for opportunities.

They name something like monkeypox as an opportunity, a business opportunity to come up with a response. And in SEPI, the only response to these business opportunities is mass vaccination. And we saw the trigger pulled already for this company, Genios, with a vaccine that is, you know, by the way, the Genios vaccine has never been demonstrated to prevent a case of monkeypox or camelpox or small. It's only been approved based on antibody testing, neutralizing antibody testing. Genios just got gened up with 13 million doses purchased by the U.S. government with no questions asked. What should people look for, though? Honestly, if you're traveling, you're seeing people here and there in the airport. If you saw postular lesions, particularly postules on the hands, you saw people who are sick in your circles.

Maybe you're at a clinic or you work with veterinarians. or in zoos and elsewhere, if you saw something like this, you know, have some awareness in terms of testing. Simply can burst one of the little bubbles on the skin and test the PCR of the liquid within the blister to find the answer. The CDC has the essay. And we have a stockpile of the medicine, the Tico Viramath, the oral medicine twice a day, is well tolerated.

Again, we even have IV approved. Older people over age 50, I would not have any worries. I think now is the time to be reasonable. If, you know, these kind of sorted activities like sex raves and orgies and things of this nature, you can imagine someone covered in postules. You know, I think most of the time it's just being reasonable. A reasonable person is simply not going to contract this illness. All right.

Let's talk about your book. Your book is releasing as we speak. Just tell me about it. The courage to face COVID-19. seems like a good time to read something like that because we're going to have to have the courage to face monkey pox, the courage to face whatever new coronavirus or flu, the news just loves to make us terrified about these things.

So what's really, why did you write this book? You know, courage is a key word, and I teamed up with best-selling true crime author, John Leek, who's a medical historian, a forensic examiner, And we've worked together on it for a year. And John, through his careful review of the evidence in my struggles as a doctor trying to treat patients, we tell the story in a narrative format. It's the only book out there that's in a narrative format.

And what John has convinced me of is that despite all our presentation of data, Dell, and you do it great on your show, people actually better learn through understanding a story, reading a story. So this is the true narrative. of my journey and the journeys of people in my circle. We go all over the world on this through the well-documented Senate testimonies, other events that happen. John believes, and I believe that the suppression of early treatment that created fear, suffering, hospitalization, and death was intentional. And it was designed to prepare the population to accept mass vaccination.

And we believe that rises to the level of a crime. of mass negligent homicide, and we make the case in the book. And it's already hit number one, I think, in viral diseases, communicable diseases, and interestingly, true crime. Wow, fantastic. So where do people get it? Where do we pick up the book right now if we want to read it? Well, go to the website, Courage to face COVID.com

and read a little bit about it, and you click the button. That'll take it to Amazon, and we're working on some other distribution options shortly in an audiobook, but it's going great. great we're very very happy uh the paperback is the best seller and it complements all the other major books out there you know robert f kennie has a terrific book focusing on anthony pouchy uh and this is going to complement this has also patient stories so there are patients and about their struggles and we've interviewed these patients and it's all true it's it's all nonfiction we've interviewed them

including some family members who gave the story of those who didn't make it because they were early treatment. Dr. Peter McCullough, thank you for taking the time today and sort of giving us a better understanding of what we're seeing in the news. You're so busy, you're doing such great work. Everywhere I go, you manage to find time to get, you know, the truth out there. So I want to thank you for taking time with us today, and I look forward to the next opportunity we have to speak. Thank you. All right. Take care.