The Highwire with Del Bigtree - Episode 329: CAUSE AND EFFECT

Episode Date: July 21, 2023

ICAN Electrifies At Freedom Fest!; ICAN Press Publishes Controversial New Children’s Book, “I’m Unvaccinated and That’s OK!”; Jefferey Jaxen Reports on New Fauci Emails That are Highly Incriminating; Former Pussycat Doll Star, Injured By COVID Vaccine, Speaks Out; Veteran Vaccine Injury Doctor Wants Solutions. Guests: Dr. Shannon Kroner, Jessica Sutta, Dr. James NeuenschwanderBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-highwire-with-del-bigtree--3620606/support.

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Good afternoon. Good evening. Wherever you are out there in the world, it's time to step out onto the High Wire. Well, we've been busy moving back and forth. We were just out in Memphis last week for Freedom Fest. Took the whole set out there. All my team did an amazing job. If for some reason you missed it, this is what Freedom Fest and the High Wire looks like in one sandwich. Good morning, good afternoon, good evening. Wherever you are out there in the world, it's time to step out onto the High Wire. high wire. I don't think we've ever all sort of sat on a stage together, so this is an amazing historic moment here.

We've just sat through a three-year period where a lot of very certain sounding people, scientists, politicians, doctors, they not only got it wrong, they haven't apologized, and they're doubling down on it. Meanwhile, we have a media that hasn't apologized either. Unbelievable. There's been such polarization in this country. In order to move forward, we can't stay polarized. Whether we think we're doing good or we're not doing good, we have to find middle ground.

We have to find this space where we can at least start a debate, have a conversation. There's no such thing as a pharmaceutical product that doesn't injure somebody. There's a reason why you have multiple versions of drugs because if one is giving you side effects, try another one. Vaccines are no different. Of all the products on the market, all the products on the market, that you can't sue the manufacturer for injuries for effectively. It's not planes. It's not drugs.

It's not all kinds of dangerous things we know are out there. It's a product injected into babies. Well, I am one who believes that the inflation was a byproduct of their disastrous decision to shut us down as an economy. So we just started cranking action and said, look, we have to build the scientific case for Congress, for the way, White House, for governors, for state legislators, for school districts, where we say, instead of thinking about how to keep everyone shut down, let's use all the available data we have to say what can safely reopen. New York City during the lockdowns, at 7 o'clock at night, everyone would get out on their windows, and we'd o' clap for the people who are saving us. We were clapping for our

jailers. That is literally like next level Stockholm syndrome. We are under attack. And that attack is using our compassion, our empathy. And if we keep letting it happen, it will take everything that our founding and fathers ever dreamed of. It is beginning MBA, because while we are dribbling the bull in this country, while we are speaking, actually, there's a genocide happening in China. So I was like, you know what, I have to make a decision. I want to just stand up for innocent people who don't have a voice and be their voice. I'm a survivor. I'll see it.

Tianmen massacre. As someone who was there first and must to leave, it's my duty to tell the world what happened. I grew up in the space where there is no freedom of rest. There is basically zero freedoms that we know as human rights. I and my colleagues decided we need to actually do something to create a space. for alternative news. We created a season journalism space. Obviously that was very dangerous and if we get called will be detained. We started to tell a whole generation of kids that the best path for the most people was a four-year degree. When you draw bright lines between blue and white collar, when you value one form of education you create myths and stereotypes that keep a whole

generation of people from looking at the opportunities over there. Redisciplination occurs when you take from someone who is a little bit more and give to someone who is a little bit less. Agree? Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. The theorem here is really clear. And it's math. It's not left wing. It's not right wing. It's not Republican, Democrat, liberal or conservative. This whole culture of, you know, don't say nothing. If you see something, really don't say anything. Right. If you do say something, we're really not going to help you. We're going to demonize you. If you whistleblow, you're really going to be in trouble.

I'd been at Levi's, or I worked there ultimately almost 23 years, but I was outspoken about school. closures and other restrictions to children, toddler masking. I was very focused on children. That was purposeful. And I was told I needed to stop and eventually was told there wasn't a place for me at the company. Is there hope here? Is there a hope that the courts are going to get this country back on track? Incredibly hopeful. Look, not only do we have judges in many parts of this country who are very awake to the dangers of what's been occurring in terms of censorship, infringement civil individual rights. You also have what effectively is the executive branch of various state governments recognizing that. We don't have real news anymore. We have a regurgitation

of what somebody was told to say. Right. You know, unless you're watching us. Unless it's here. Freedom is really our responsibility. It is time to return to having a skeptical mind. That is what the high wire is all about. I want to thank everybody that put Freedom Fest together. It gave us an opportunity to reach really a whole new set of eyes and ears. I can't tell you how many people came up after my speech and then the dual dialogue that I did with Aaron Syria and said,

you know, I had no idea about this vaccine issue. I never really listened to it or bought it. And now I understand we really, some amazing testimony there. Aaron and I laid out many of the things that we've discovered on the stand when we've had experts under oath. It was just an amazing experience. And for many of you watching right now, you probably notice that Jeffrey Jackson did an incredible amount of deep dive interviews with some of the spectacular speakers there. We're going to work on presenting that material probably to many of you as bonus material for those of you that donate to ICANN. So if you want to see a lot of that behind the scenes and deep dive,

interviews that we did, it was probably a good time to go ahead and sign up and be a recurring donor for all of the great work that we do. We're going to start presenting more and more bonus material to you. You'll always have the high wire. It'll always be here. But if you want it a little bit more, then maybe you want to give a little bit more. All right. I've got a huge show coming up. You know, I've got Shannon Croner, Dr. Shannon Croner, a brand new book coming up. And then we're going to be talking to Jessica Seta of the Pussy Cat Dolls and about her struggle with her She got the COVID vaccine and what that's done to her career. And then one of the great healers of our time that deals with vaccine injury, Dr. James Nguyen Schwander coming up.

But first, as many of you know, we have a legal team. We do this show and now we are a press company. I Can Press is putting out its second book. I think this one is sure to make waves. I'm unvaccinated and that's okay. A children's book. The writer, Dr. Shannon Croner, had the opportunity to read this to a classroom of kids recently in we were able to send in some cameras to take part in that.

Take a look at this. Hello, my name is Nicholas Novax. You may be surprised to know that I have never been vaccinated and that's okay. Today we are at Blue Planet, which is a STEM-inspired open play child development center and I am giving the first open reading of my new book, I'm unvaccinated and that's okay.

When my sister was a child development center, was a baby, my parents followed the recommended childhood vaccine schedule. Unfortunately, after a round of shots, she had a very bad reaction. This is one of the many reasons why my parents won't vaccinate me and have stopped vaccinating my sister. Does anyone know someone who has autism? Yes. Now look around and see all the hands. There's a lot of people.

I've never seen a book that addressed this, especially that a book that that caters to children. I think there's definitely a need for books out there that address this. Does anyone know someone who's been vaccine injured? It was very touching because my family has experienced a vaccine injury. So it is a book that is needed. It helps break the ice to people that might be scared or angry or confused as to why parents have chose not to vaccinate their child.

both of my sisters were injured. It should be your decision of if you want to get vaccinated, it shouldn't be like you're a bad person if you don't get it. My own school won't allow me back unless I'm vaccinated. So my parents decided to homeschool me. I was going to a school and I had a lot of friends there when they knew that we weren't vaccinated.

They didn't want to hang out with me. It got like very angry and rude. It happened to a lot of friends. people so I'm glad it was in the book. Some of my friends are taller than me. Some of my friends are smaller than me. Even though everyone is unique in their own special way, we are each expected to get the same number of shots

and the same exact dosage. Would you believe I'm expected to get almost 100 doses of 17 vaccines by my 18th birthday? That's a lot. What stuck out to me was the vaccine chart how it only had a little and then as the years went on it had more a lot more. I plan to give it to friends and family. The fact that she includes links and resources is huge because it's from the CDC's on website. Somebody really close to my mom, she passed away recently

from taking a vaccination. Pretty sad to think about it's like an experiment. It's like, we want that to happen to them. Does anyone think that vaccines should be a choice? So many of these children today that are unvaccinated are being ostracized from society. They're being unincluded from family gatherings, from Christmas dinners. And so I have written this book to help open the line of communication between parent and child and why it's important to protect the freedom of choice. Whether someone chooses to get all the recommended vaccines, some vaccines, or none at all, the choice should always remain their own.

I'm unvaccinated and that's okay. It's my honor and pleasure to be joined now by Dr. Shannon Croner. Thanks so much for having me on. It's great having you in here. I noticed you're getting emotional watching that. Yeah. That was just, you guys did a beautiful job filming that. And that was a really important day.

First time reading this book. I've really worked so hard on it. I've spent the last year working out every single detail, every word, every illustrated picture. illustrated picture. It all came from my heart, came from, you know, all the different experiences of people that I know that have shared their stories with me. So watching that was just definitely touching. But I definitely, I don't want to cry on your show. Yeah, it's not what we brought to here. Yes, please. Please don't make me cry.

Because I think this book is absolutely genius. I loved it when you first sent it to us. We're so honored that you've involved us and allowed us to, you know, help put this out there and get it out to the world. And there's really nothing like it. So what made you think of writing a children's book? And, you know, this journey of Nicholas Novax. I mean, it's so brilliant. It's brilliantly put together.

But why a children's book? You know, there really is no literature out there for children. And I feel that children need the tools to, we're in a whole new world now, especially after the pandemic, where there are so many children who are being ostracized and pushed aside or left out or feeling unwanted, whether it's from their teachers and their classroom at school, doctor's offices are kicking out unvaccinated kids.

And I feel like children really need the tools and the information so that they can also fight this fight and for their own personal bodily autonomy. They need to know the facts. And I think it's also really important to have open up that line of communication between parent and child and give them the information so that the parent can answer whatever questions a child may have regarding his own his or her own vaccine status and why the parent is making those choices regarding not vaccinating and i think that this this book is also really important for vaccinated children as well because it helps them show more compassion to the unvaccinated. And so that's, you know, I wrote this book for the children, but also for parents.

And also to share, it's so, it takes the vaccine issue and simplifies it so much and so well that it can be shared with family members, doctors, teachers, anyone who's really kind of push that whole vaccine agenda that you must be vaccinated and that it's not okay, here's a book to say that, you know what, it is okay that I'm not vaccinated. Yeah. Well, you know, when I was reading it and going through it, it makes me think about sort of Disney movies and, you know, all these animated movies where you realize they're really, some of these things are very adult shows.

Like kids can laugh at it, but it's also a learning experience. And it's what makes those movies so successful. What I loved what you did here is that, yes, it really, it reads beautifully as a children's book. My nine-year-old daughter will love it. But also for parents, you have the whole education. You're citing things just the way that we do to CDC documents and peer-reviewed studies and science. So it does both. And what I really think is important here is that one of the things that I run into all the time as I'm traveling and speaking around the country is, you know, parents will say to me, you know, I didn't vaccinate my kids, but now they're off

to college or whatever, especially during COVID. They're angry at me now that I did this, and they've decided to go and get all their vaccines, and I'm so worried about them and things like that, because, you know, once they get out in the world, and I've said, we've got to, we've got to be educating our children on why we're making the choices we are, so they realize we care about them, so they have a knowledge about this instead of just hiding it from them, but how do you do that? And that's what I think is so beautiful about this book. Yeah, and I agree. And I will say that my kids help me in the whole process along the way.

They were the most critical of each page and each illustration. And I would write a page and have it illustrated and give it to them and say, do you understand it? Is there anything you think I could say better? And so, you know, really, it's written by me. But they give their final stamp of approval on each page. What brings you this issue? I mean, why, I mean, just going back into you a little bit.

I mean, obviously you care about this issue. Why? What sort of got you involved? So, I mean, I've been working with children with special needs since 2001. I started off as a floor time therapist, which is kind of like a play therapist for children with autism or other disabilities. And I had seen vaccine injury over and over again. Every time I would do an intake with a family, it was always the same story of, you know, my child was born healthy, normal pregnancy, and then after a round of shots, something changed in them,

usually around maybe the two-year mark. And they would show me videos, pictures of like first birthday, second birthday, and then the third birthday is like a different child where they're not communicating and they're not making eye contact. So, you know, the vaccine issue has always been important to me. But then in 2009, when I was pregnant with my own first child, I suffered a vaccine injury because it was during swine flu and I was pressured to get the swine flu shot and the flu shot. And I, you know, knew enough about vaccine dangers to say no to the swine flu shot. But then my doctor convinced me to get the flu shot because they had told me it was preservative free. And I thought preservative free meant safe.

And so I got the preservative free flu shot. and within a few days, I started to profusely leak amniotic fluid and almost lost the baby. And that's what really woke me up to the issue. And then on top of that, I'm from California. And as you know, we've had SB 277, which took away our religious exemptions. And then SP276, which took away our medical exemptions. And so, you know, I have been fighting for vaccine freedom, vaccine choice for so long. And so I felt that now is a time to really kind of focus on.

on the children and give them something to get them involved. And because they are our future and they need to know, they need to know about this issue. Yeah. So the book just came out three days ago. We're really excited about it. It's already climbing the charts. It's I think number one in the vaccine space.

Is that right? It's number one on several different, in several different categories. So in vaccines, it's number one on Amazon. And then also I think the categories, like special needs because there's a child in the book who has, who's been vaccine injured. And there's another category, there's like three or four different categories that it's number one and in all children's books, I think it's somewhere in the teens.

I'm hearing like number 16 in all children's books. That's amazing. Are you getting any pushback? I mean, you know, what's amazing about this book is, you know, we see children's books that try to talk about racism or, as you said, you know, individuals that, that maybe have learning disabilities trying to accept them. But we've just come through a time where we watched our own news, you know,

and late night comedians talk about unvaccinated children as being dirty, and that they're bad people, something I never thought we'd see in America, and I think it's so important for a book like this. But is that energy, is any of that affecting the book release right now? I'll tell you, so far, I'm getting a very positive response. Like the message, personal messages that I'm getting are just lots of gratitude.

People sharing their own vaccine injury stories with me, telling me that the book made them cry, telling me that the book is their own story. Thank you for sharing our story, our family story. The only real pushback that I'm getting, which is a really kind of weird bizarre, is from Amazon. When I first announced the book back on Mother's Day, there were a series of fake books that came out that were being sold on Amazon. So someone or several people out there took screen. screenshots of the cover and then sold a fake book which only had blank pages on the inside. So someone bought it and received it? No, this was back in May.

But I mean, how do you know it had fake pages? Oh, because, yeah, so I had friends who bought it to find out what it was. We have a picture here, so somebody bought it and opened it up and this is what it was. And that's all it was. And that was during the pre-sale of it. So nobody could even get the real book. And so they were marketing it as if it was the real book. And it was-

I mean, there has to be illegal on some level. I believe so. I was, you know, when that happened, I started to, I had to fill out all this paperwork on Amazon, and then I started tweeting Jeff Bezos about like, look, you know, how can you allow this fake plagiarism or, you know, copyright infringement is what it was. Yeah. And so then, now that the book has actually come out and started to be delivered, someone contacted me with their, what they got in the mail, which was, somebody had tampered with the book upon packaging. So whoever packaged it at Amazon decided to put a sticker inside the book

that says vaccines do not cause autism. Can we get that on the camera right there? Take a look at that stuck inside your... I mean, I've never heard of something like this. I'm sure whoever is packing the book at Amazon has deep scientific knowledge on that statement. So we'll have to Yeah, so, you know So you don't know how many are going out like that

I don't know, I don't know What's going out right now from Amazon I just hope that everybody gets the Correct version and you know All the pages are intact We could peel off a sticker, but So do you see this as a series? Is this going to be something

What are your thoughts now? Yeah, so I've been asked to do a series So I'm really excited about that and there's several characters in the book who I've already started writing their stories. And so I'm really looking forward to doing a series. And I love that I can is doing the imprint on this. Thank you so much for that. And yeah, I'm like super excited about what the future holds with this book.

You've got some really notable names that have endorsed this book on the back. You got this guy, Dr. Paul Thomas. This other guy I've heard of Robert F. Kennedy Jr. And then this man, Del Bigtree, who I hear is big on these conversations. Look, I think this is going to be an absolute hit. For all of you out there, this is how we make a difference, right? What a great gift for everyone you know. It's available everywhere where you buy books,

but if you don't want to get that little sticker in it that tells you about, you know, vaccine knowledge written by the Packer, then maybe you want to go straight to the ICAN store. or we have it available for you. There along with our other books, The War on Ivermectin, of course, ICANN, versus HHS, the Great Vaccine Debate. We're also going to ask all of you,

that video we made at the end of this, that video will be available. I want you to share that video as a way to sort of advertise this book across all social media platforms. This is how we make a difference. Obviously, you know, we're not going to be able to have ads on CNN

and they keep getting their way. They may be wanting to have classes with transvestites reading in classrooms. So we should be allowed to share the information that matters to us with kids. I would really like your help doing that. This is a very, very important book. I like to see this in every classroom and certainly every household in America and around the world. You're going to help us make that happen. This is how we do it.

This is how we make a difference. Dr. Shannon Cohner, thank you for taking the time to join us and write this really beautiful book. Thank you so much. All right, we look forward to see. Climb up the charts. All right, everybody, it's time for the Jackson Report. All right, Jeffrey Jackson is so awesome to get to spend some time with you at Freedom Fest. And Aaron and Siri were on the same stage together.

Really a beautiful moment. And man, were you in a marathon? I mean, I was running out doing some interview to do it. I went up on stage, came up, and every time I was walking past the booth, you were there interviewing another person. I don't know how you do it. But it must have been incredibly informative. Yeah, it was great to sit down with those speakers. We had 12 of them that day.

And it was so interesting because one of the themes that was going through there was just the perseverance against all odds and really just freedom, freedom and optimism and hope. And everyone seemed to be on that same beat. So it was really cool to be able to just touch base with those speakers and see what was in their minds and pick their brains a little bit. But one of the things that we talk about here, It's been a beat since literally almost day one of this pandemic was the origins of this.

And we're going to expand on this a little bit and get outside of Wuhan. But there's been some new news on this, some breaking news. And in order to frame this correctly, does everyone remember when Ram Paul was questioning Dr. Fauci? And there was a lot of denials going on. Sounded like this. Take a look. Dr. Fauci, knowing that it is a crime to lie to Congress, do you wish to retract your statement of May 11th where you claimed that the NIH, never funded gain of function research in Wuhan.

Senator Paul, I have never lied before the Congress, and I do not retract that statement. This paper that you were referring to was judged by qualified staff up and down the chain as not being gain of function. Let me finish. You take an animal virus and you increase its transibility to humans, you're saying that's not gain of function?

That is correct. Senator Paul, you do not know what you are talking about, quite frankly. And I want to say that officially. You do not know what you are talking about. Them fighting words. Well, well, fortunately, we have some work from the select subcommittee on the coronavirus pandemic, and they have redacted some of Anthony Fauci's internal emails that were gleaned through FOIA requests and certain. Yeah, some of the ones we got.

I mean, it's amazing, right? These guys work for us. What about health would have to be hidden from us in these emails as different groups, including ours, we're, you know, making FOIA requests, freedom of information act requests. There are employees, but what were they hiding? And on something as important as this topic. So we have the redacted version of this email. You can see there's this big box that was redacted. We have no clue what's going on, but it says the call with Jeremy Farrar, welcome trust, went well. And then you're thinking, you can't leave me hanging here. So this was unredacted by the Select Subcommittee on the coronavirus pandemic recently. And we were able to see a window into this entire email. We can read this now. And we look at this. And basically it's the beginning of February. This is something we've covered for a very long time.

This is Christian Anderson, Jeremy Farrar, Francis Collins, Tony Fauci. They're all getting together saying, where did this come from? What's going on? Did we fund this research? How do we know this? So Anthony Fauci gets on a call with all these people and he's giving this update in this email. And in this email, it's basically saying that, well, from the highly credible scientists he talked to, the immunologist, that there's some unusual aspects of this virus that,

you know, this mutation, molecular data was consistent with engineering. You know, there was some intentional tampering, perhaps, of these insertions. And then Fauci goes on to say this. In this email, he says, the suspicion was heightened by the fact that scientists in Wuhan University are known to have been working on gain of function experiments to determine the molecular mechanisms associated with bat viruses adapting the human infection and the outbreak originated in Wuhan. So there's a little bit of an inconvenient fact. He's basically saying, and Wuhan University is right down the road from the Wuhan Institute of Virology. He's saying this is known to be doing gain of function experiments. They're doing these things. They're enhancing the infectability

of these viruses. So we keep seeing data showing this thing was perhaps a byproduct of these experiments in Wuhan. And Dr. Redfield... What's amazing about that, too, is think about this. That email is being sent out in the height of this conversation. You know, we're in media saying, look, the fact that this is so close, this outbreak is happening so close to a lab that John Stewart, the comedian, so perfectly put, the lab is literally named exactly after the virus is now that, you know, out among us, a bat coronavirus and a back coronavirus lab. And so in the middle of this, you have Tony Fauci clearly saying there's gain of function going on here.

Now, I suppose, the only thing that's left is whether or not American dollars are involved in that exact word grouping gain of function, which it seems just obvious. But in the middle of all that, what they're doing is getting together. And days later, this is when they're going to say absolutely no way this came from a lab, absolutely been proven to be natural origin, even though Ferrari, many of these that are in the conversation and scientists. have said, we've been over this and over this, they've been saying, look, this looks like it came from a lab, it looks like, you know, there are modifications that just don't seem to be contributed to by nature. And so now we really are, and I knew all this is going to start backfiring on Fauci. He is saying one thing and then leading the world literally in a wild goose chase. To me, also the cover-up of the lab, making sure that no one in went and

investigated this lab. To me, it's treasonous. I believe this man we're looking at right now should be tried for treason, putting the entire world at risk for hiding the fact that he knew gain of functioning. This very well could be a, you know, bio weapon of sorts, even if it wasn't released on purpose, the fact that it is going to cause harm and death worldwide and his fingerprints were all over it. Clearly, he was trying to hide it. Now, this isn't going to go away. We're not going to let it go away. And as we reported on the revelations just a couple of weeks ago, we do know the names now of the three people that show first symptoms of this. They were actual scientists and researchers working in at Wuhan Institute of Virology, working with the bat coronaviruses.

So again, we keep seeing this data. It's just like how far is this going to go? So remember Robert Redfield, he's the ex-CDC director, and he had been saying really out front since day one, we need to question this origins. He thinks that it did come from a lab. There was an accidental release. And they talked to him about this email redaction.

He said this, this is the headline, ex-CDC director says unredacted, Fauci, gain of function email reveals aggressive attempt change narrative and finally we get some some movement from the biden administration on this piece on the funding u.s government suspends funding so the so that wuhan lab does not receive another dollar that's what the bide administration has done over stonewalling covid probe so we have this headline now this is what's happening no more money goes to whan lab three years later after this pandemic has basically ravished the world the u.s is going to stop funding this but now we're talking about

That's kind of like the exclamation point on that topic. But we're talking about more of an expansion here. And remember, Bill Gates had been woven into this story all over the place, from the vaccine research for the COVID vaccine to the actual just monitoring of infectious viruses around the world. And he said this during that time. Take a listen. Yeah. I believe we can prepare for the future and with the right tools, be able to stop pandemics before

they become widespread. However, you know, a future pandemic could be far worse in terms of its fatality. It could be, you know, intentionally caused bioterrorism. So we've said it time and time again, these guys, it's like they're psychic, right? They predict things are coming and then lo and behold, how do they know? Here we are in the middle of it. And we also remember too Fauci was saying that he was sure President Trump would, would, you know, face some type of pathogen during his presidency.

Which, by the way, just for people that maybe watch this for the same time, you know, right now or maybe just joining us, epidemics typically are about 50 years apart, sort of like a massive earthquake, you know, and for Fauci to say, I am certain that in Donald Trump's, you know, time in office, he will face a major pathogen. It's a little eerie. It's a little weird. Just put that out there.

Take that as you will. I believe as reporters and journalists and researchers, anytime we see the media start pushing fear headlines after what we just experienced as a world, three years of this, we have to question these headlines. We have to question. We have to dig into them. So this is what we're seeing out the UK now. So check out these headlines. Killer virus, certain, certain to reach UK as expert warn. It's a case of when and not if.

They're talking. You look at that sub byline there. Crimean Congo hemorrhagic fever has been described. as the current biggest threat to public health, an expert told me it spreads easily and is painful. Biggest threat to public health. Never heard of it. What are these people talking about?

Have you heard of it? I haven't. Amazing. This is kind of our job to monitor these things. So another headline, deadly virus guaranteed, again, putting some fear in there. Is this a nudge unit? Guaranteed to reach UK and defeat lockdown measures.

Experts warn. So now this brings us, we're going to rip the lid off this thing. So we've been hyper-focused as, you know, on this show and as the world, on one sliver of this biosafety level research. We have the Wuhan lab. Obviously, we've been reporting on that. But these labs are all over the world. And so we hear about this biggest threat to public health now, this Crimean Congo hemorrhagic fever. Let's dig into this a little bit. So that brings us to the Independent Republic of Georgia. This is a country that sits on Russia's southern border. And in 2011, the United States,

built a biosafety lab, a BSL level three lab there. And this was the headline in 2011. Senator, they're talking about Senator Richard Lugar that was named after him. Applods opening of Nunn Lugar Biothreat Laboratory in Tbilisi, Georgia. So we funded this thing, we built it. In fact, we literally built it from the ground up. Here is a government contract for $170 million to the American Civil Engineering Company, CH2M, Hill. Incorporated, place of performance, place where this money was going, Georgia to build this lab. They're dealing with all the safety mechanisms in this lab and the engineering for it. And now let's go to Dr. Charles Videk.

He works for the U.S. Centers for Disease Control. And this was an article that was put out by the U.S. Embassy in Georgia. And he was answering questions on the type of research at the Lugar Center. Listen to this. He says, in terms of the work that they do at the Lugar Center on insects, It is designed to make sure that they can understand how natural infections in this country that are transmitted by insects can be studied and how you can fight against them, how you can prevent them.

So that's the type of work that goes on here on NCDC, that's Georgia's Centers for Disease Control. There are political statements made in Russia about research on spreading biological agents by insects. That is not something that we have ever studied here in the Lugar Center. We do study how to prevent diseases that are nationally transmitted right now in Georgia. there is an outbreak of Crimean Congo hemorrhagic fever that's transmitted by ticks, of course. We have scientists who have to study those ticks so you know how to prevent that type of infection. That's the type of work that's going on, 100%.

Where have we heard that before? There's something so guilty sounding about. I don't know why. I mean, maybe it's just what you're accused, but suddenly it's like, and this accusation made by Putin that we're on his border and somehow designing insects that could carry diseases, that is not what's happening. What we're doing is just studying diseases that carry, I mean, just studying. insects that carry disease and make sure you know that there's you know those two ideas aren't crossing it reminds me like bart simpson you know i wasn't there wasn't me can't prove anything right and so that i mean it's kind of similar to wuhan we're we're we're finding these bat

coronaviruses we're engineering them we're increasing their in their ability to infect humans and we have to do this because this is a dangerous thing and we need to develop a vaccine so we can get ahead of this we have to do it so we go to lugar They have a PowerPoint presentation that was up there. And it's titled Lugar Center in Service of Public Health in Georgia. They're talking about the challenges and solutions. And you see here on slide 16, there was an outbreak of this hemorrhagic fever in 2009. Remember, the Lugar Center was built in 2011.

Then you see at this, on this PowerPoint, 2012, there's several more cases they found. 2013. There was 13 cases, 2014, there was 23 cases and so on. So we have this increasing level of these hemorrhagic fevers being found. there but then the united states military becomes involved so this was from the u.s army medical research directed in georgia and it says this in 2015 georgia national centers for disease control and the walter reid army institute of research signed a memorandum of understanding to formalize the partnership between these institutions the importance of this long-term investment in the compliance with international standards has been validated recently with georgia's successful campaign to

combat public health challenges including the covid-19 pandemic and a recent cluster of the Crimean Congo hemorrhagic fever cases. So now you have the Walter Reed Army Institute in there working with them for these hemorrhagic fever cases. But we look at this whole thing. And for our audience, you know, we're checking off some boxes. We're just asking questions here. Boy, you know, we're really, this is the biggest public health threat we've never heard of. Let's look at, let's look at some of the lab history on this first. But for our audience, the big question is, are they working on a vaccine? You bet they are. Here's in 2020,

study a DNA-based vaccine protects against Crimean Congo hemorrhagic fever virus disease in macaque models. They've tested this in monkeys in 20-20. Three years ago, they have a DNA-based vaccine that's in the work. So this again, we're putting this here. We're stamping this in here. Hopefully this thing does not become a future disease. The biggest health threat does not run rampant. But we need to we need to ask these questions. When the headlines start pushing fear, we know there's nudge units that work with the media. We found that out, especially in the UK during the COVID response. We have to ask why the fear, why are these experts trying to drum up fear, especially in the wake, we have a traumatized public. This is not hard to scare people with headlines like that. So we have to ask these questions.

Absolutely. And I want to point out to our audience, it's growing all the time. You know, we are giving you early warning, just like we did on monkeypox so that we were able to really spread the word that this is a fear tactic. It is not affecting that many people. And I think the monkey pox, you know, next pandemic was really shut down because of people in our audience and intelligent people around the world starting to talk about it. We should talk about this. We should be talking about it and warning people that they're warning us about this and we should ask ourselves why. And I just want to put out there, right? We are not a network that dives deep into conspiracy theory.

There are plenty of podcasts out there that do that. We stick to what we can prove in the science that exists and what we know is going on. But I will ask this question, the history of living in the United States of America as an American citizen. Have you ever known a time where we are not looking at the worst case scenario of development in any type of weapon space? If Russia is investigating something, don't you think we are? If China is investigating something, don't you think we are? Whether it's right or wrong, gain of function or not, my experience right now, and what we've sort of proven through time, is if the idea is, if the idea is, exists at all. We have top scientists that are working on it. I think we should stop accepting

when they say there's no way we're doing that. And I think Mike Rowe in my interview with him last week, who's not even in this space, but he really proved we need to live with an advanced skepticism now and is now upon the experts to win back our trust. I don't trust them. I don't think you should. And I think we should assume that the United States of America, yes, this great country we live in, is addicted to war, it is clearly pushing wars whether or not they make any sense, and it is constantly at the cutting edge of building war tools. We have to know that's true, and for some people they say, good, that's the only way you're going to protect us? I understand that argument, but what I do not understand is when your government says there's no way we're going

near that whatsoever. Do I look stupid? I don't think you are either. And there's a lot of medical experts out there. One of them that the public became familiar with during the COVID response was Leanna Wendt. She's a Washington Post columnist, a CNN medical analyst. And let's look at some of her high-level analysis during the COVID response. Check this out. All right. There are many more people, millions of people who, for whatever reason, have concerns about the vaccine, who just don't know what's in it for them. And we need to make it clear to them that the vaccine is the ticket back to pre-pandemic life. And the window to do that is really narrowly. I mean, you were mentioning, Chris, about how all these states are reopening. They're reopening at 100%. And we have a very

narrow window to tie reopening policy to vaccination status. Because otherwise, if everything is reopened, then what's the carrot going to be? How are we going to incentivize people to actually get the vaccine? So that's why I think the CDC and the Biden administration needs to come out a lot bolder and say, if you're vaccinated, you can do all these things. Here are all these freedoms that you have because otherwise people are going to go out and enjoy these freedoms anyway. Oh my God. I think like we were starting to like, you know, talk about, we saw this video again.

Of all the videos that came out during COVID, that one may be aging the worst. I really wish I could get into Chris Cuomo's head. There's these sister like, this woman is out of her mind. This has nothing to do with science. Is she really just blackmailing people with the vaccines so they could have freedom? I hope that's what he was thinking. And I've worked in television. I can tell you it happens.

I remember once I was in a moment on a show, I will not out, but I was sitting with a producer. It wasn't my show. I mean, it wasn't what I was working on. And they were saying, oh, my God, I'm going to hell. I'm going to hell for what we are doing right now. I hope that's the look on his face as he's sitting there thinking, oh, my God, I am pushing this.

I'm going to hell. I think a lot of people are after we've gotten through COVID. Outrageous, though. Leanna Wynn. All right. Perfect. Leanna Wynne's not dangling American freedoms from the tip of a syringe. She's writing opinion pieces like this one just recently,

when the doctor unexpectedly becomes a patient. She writes this. Two weeks ago, something terrifying happened. I went to bed Sunday evening feeling fine, then woke up Monday morning, gasping, and with pressure across my chest. She says, a CT scan showed no blood clot, though it did reveal abnormalities consistent with pneumonia, so I got started on antibiotics.

So goes to bed Sunday feeling great. next morning can't gasping for air tightness near the chest it's a very fat if that is pneumonia it's a very fast acting pneumonia it looks like a healthy person so we go to johns hopkins website we look at what causes pneumonia what is this well there's bacterial pneumonia this is really one of the most common types this is streptococcus pneumonia that's one of the most common types of pneumonia here so that we start pulling this thread out we started doing some research and there's something that we've really talked about here on the show quite a bit was the reprogram reprogramming of the immune system after the COVID vaccines so this was one of the studies early on that really tipped us off to this

this is the bnt1162 b2 that's Pfizer's vaccine mrna vaccine against SARS covetya reprograms both adaptive and innate immune responses and you go into this study we cover this on the show several times but it says Pfizer's vaccine also modulated the production of inflammatory cytokines by innate immune cells upon stimulation with both specific SARS-CoV-2 and non-specific viral fungal and bacterial stimuli, the response of innate immune cells to TLR4 and TLR7-8 ligands was lower after Pfizer's vaccination. So they're saying when they challenged this with a bacterial infection or a fungal infection or viral infection, people that had Pfizer's vaccination, that it was lower. They weren't mounting this immune response like they should.

Then the study goes on to say this, surprisingly, the production of the monocyte-derived cytokines, TNF alpha, IL1, beta, and IL1RA tended to be lower after stimulation of PBMCs, those are peripheral blood cells from vaccinated individuals with either the standard SARS-CoV2 strain or heterologous tol-like receptor ligands. So let me just jump in here because I know we have brand new people. Yes, we do this, folks. We talk science and see the actual studies. You don't get some experts saying, trust me, but I just want to say this, whether you

understand it or not, it's really simple, just sort of take it in and realize what it's saying is the very things that fight these infections are being lowered. Your immune system is being lowered very simply put. And these to-like receptors, they're this watchdog of your immune system. They release these IL-1 betas, these cytokines, and that's an inflammatory response that goes and destroys the pathogen, the bacteria, the invader. But this has been our beat for years, for three years during this COVID response. Let's look back at just some of the times we'd be reporting on this and had in-depth conversations, whether it's around cancer or shingles or anything after this Pfizer vaccine. Take a look.

They took the code of the virus essentially, but this is the version that went into the vaccine. You see everywhere where you see that sigh, that weird little symbol, there's supposed to be a you there. And by changing that, they then have managed to destroy sort of these toll-like receptors that would catch them going by and would kill it if it tried to get in. Instead, they go through and shut down the immune system so they're not recognized. The key TLRLs affected are TLR3, TLR7, and TLR8. They act as centuries whose job is to recognize foreign invaders by way of their form or patterns.

You and I are reporting that your toll-like receptors appear to have been put to sleep on purpose, as the science shows us, that is fighting things like your graves disease, like your shingles, like the cancer in your body. Just four weeks ago, we found out that the vaccine is shutting off your toll-like receptors. So for people that that's happening to, they may have no working immune system. We turned off, you know, the watchment of your immune system. The other thing that's happening is toll-like receptors seven and eight are getting attacked. That is important for T-cell surveillance in your immune system.

That's not a good thing for the spike protein, is doing that after the vaccinations. The original virus had a certain RNA sequence. They know what it is. And they said, let's make it. Let's make something different. Let's make something better because we want to make sure it makes lots of protein in a hurry. And we know how to make that happen. And one thing they did was they replaced all of the uridines with methyl pseudouridine. The goal, ironically, was to get it past the tolek receptors. Like that's part I know. Like get it past the toleic receptors, which are basically your centurions of your immune system looking out for what is self and what is not self and attacking any foreign matter. The design of this vaccine is to shut down the toll-like receptors.

The toll-like receptors, toll-like receptors. We are literally spielunking into spaces in the immune system. We haven't before. Yes, it's true. We have been beating the drum on toll-like receptors because everywhere we look, folks, your immune system is driven by these things. These are what decide what your body is going to attack and what it's going to let slide by and attack you.

And unfortunately, for those that got this vaccine and many, ways the vaccine was designed to put to sleep one of the most important parts of your immune system. So I'm assuming we're about to hear now how pneumonia can be contributed to by this issue. Yeah, so we are looking at pneumonia. So we dig further into this. Are there studies showing this? We know this down regulation. So we started looking at mouse studies. And we found this study here. Toleic receptor four activation induces IL-1 beta release via independent path. in the lung. So this is so interesting because they challenged these mites with an endotoxin. That's the part of the bacteria that causes the symptoms when you're sick.

And they found that the lungs, they were so important that they actually had their own independent pathway that's releasing these things. It had its own independent radar system, watchdog, then it had its own independent release of these inflammatory cytokines in these mouse studies. So they're saying this is very important because these lungs, there's an actual system there to protect them. to protect them. But now we go even further. They took light. So this study is basically on the pro side, when your immune system's working, we see this TOL-LECTA-Rceptor 4 trigger this IOL-1B, is it? Yeah. So, and that goes in attacks and is what protects you from getting infected. All right.

Right. Instead of going systemically through the body, they're saying the lungs that actually have their own dedicated pathway for anything that's happening in the lungs. So it's almost like the guard, the guard at the castle there, the lungs of the castle. So then another study here, they took mice that were deficient in genes of the IL1 family. So they couldn't produce that response, that final response that takes out that bacteria or that viral pneumonia or whatever it is. And they challenge these mice directly with that streptococcus pneumonia. So the study here, contribution of IL1 to resistant to streptococcus pneumonia infection. And they say this, internaisal, inoculation of S pneumonia of IL-1 beta negative and IL-1 alpha-beta-negative mice displayed significantly lower

survival rates and higher nasal pharyngeal and lung bacterial load. So they're saying the mice that couldn't mount this because they were genetically offline with that response. They had it significantly, that was the words, lower survival rate. Obviously not a good thing. And the researchers concluded the IL-1 beta has a major role in the resistance to primary pneumocococcal infection. So to be clear here, we don't know what caused Lena Wend's health issue, but we're using this story as an opportunity to share the research surrounding now pneumonia. We've covered the shingles. We've covered a hoof and mouth with these lower immune responses and these issues coming out.

And I want to point out because, you know, the media, mainstream media will like to attack us and say, you know, you don't have evidence of whatever, this connection. But what we're doing here is we are taking people that stood on our television sets, shouted basically, follow me, watch what I do. If you're not vaccinated, I want you locked down and I should be free and I'm healthier because I've taken the vaccine. So when these particular people that stood on television said, watch me, we are. We are.

We're taking a word for it that you planned on being a spokesperson for the vaccine. So when you suddenly overnight go from being perfectly healthy to, almost dying of pneumonia and rushing into an emergency room, we think that we should take note of that since you asked us to. And since we're following you, we're going to go ahead and say this. We don't have evidence that you're taking this vaccine that shuts down the part of your immune system that would have protected you in your sleep. What we are saying is it should be on the table as one of the things you're looking at.

And the truth is, I do care about you, Leanne Wend, and I think that you should be considering this because you may have other downstream effects that you should be looking into as everyone that had this vaccine, We should start, you know, thinking about how do we help you? How do we help clear this stuff out of your body? Can we get your immune system back up and running the way it was prior to getting this untested medical experiment vaccine? And shortly after we started covering that study showing this immune system, disregulation, if you will, a lot of conversation came out. We had Dr. Ryan Cole on the show.

A lot of conversation came around this word, turbo cancers that people were finding. that these cancers were coming out of nowhere. They were rapid. People that were in remission were now having cancers come back and they were going to stage three and four very rapidly. The research, we didn't see much research on this as far as direct cancer causing in the mice studies. We just saw the immune system issues,

but now that's changed. We have a case study. We're going to cover that right now. So this is it right here. If anyone wants to look at this, B-cell lymphoblastic lymphoma following intervenious Pfizer-M-R-R-N-A booster in a mouse. This is a case report.

And this lymphoblastic lymphoma, this is a rare cancer. So this is one of the things that these doctors are seeing are rare cancers that are coming in there very quick. So this is the actual words from these researchers. They say this, the emergence of a malignant lymphomas is one of such rare adverse events that has raised concern, although an understanding of the mechanisms potentially involved remains lacking. And herein we present the first case of B-cell lymphoblastic lymphoma following IV high dose MRNA COVID-19 vaccination in a mouse. That's Pfizer's vaccination.

It says two days following booster vaccination. This was 16 days after the prime, the first dosages. At only 14 weeks of age, our animals suffered spontaneous death with marked organ of the abdominal, that's the abdominal, I'm sorry, abnormal enlargement of the organs and diffuse malignant infiltration of multiple extra noldal organs the heart lung liver kidney spleen by lymphoid neoplasm now we'll show a picture here it's a little bit disturbing from this actual study they took that mouse that mouse from the case study and of course they dissected it to see what was going on and on the left you have the actual mouse with those two pictures on the right you have

what a normal mouse is supposed to look like on the left you see what they this abnormal enlargement of a lot of these organs, the heart, lung, liver, just to give you an idea how big those are. And this is the first really study that is showing this in a mouse model. So this is really a historic study and should be built upon. And we're showing this here because this is something that a lot of people needed evidence for. A lot of researchers needed this first step to really start digging into this. And this may be it. For people that don't understand the scientific process, a case study is sort of the first thing you do,

like with a small group of animals, sometimes it's in human beings, just to see, and look what's happening here, right? This isn't a study done by ICANN or Children's Health Defense or Dr. Paul Thomas or anyone like that. These are scientific bodies and the brilliance of what's happening is this, finally, for the first time vaccine injury is being taken seriously. They're admitting right here, why are they doing this study? Because we are seeing a rise in cancers as a potential adverse reaction to this vaccine. So what do we do in a case study? Let's just take the vaccine, inject it into a bunch of mice and see if anything happens. And then all of a sudden what happens? Oh, snap. I mean, if the thing doesn't do anything, all the mice should be fine. But here we have

one mouse that swells up all of their organs. And then you have to start thinking, beyond cancers, which I know with this conversation, well, what about swelling of the heart? We also know that children are having, you know, myocarditis, pericarditis, swelling in the body, you know, inflammation throughout the body. What is vaccine injury? inflammation in the brain, things that parents have been talking about with their kids for years. Now it's on the chopping block. Now, real science is looking at it. And everybody you are funding in mainstream media right now is trying to tell you, close your eyes.

La la la, la, la, la, la, see no evil, hear no evil. This isn't happening. La, la, la, we gotta lie to you. Let's make you focus on something else. When the truth is, is this is happening, folks. And top scientific bodies around the world are finally, finally admitting it. And it's sad. It's sad that we're in this place.

It's sad that we allow this product for us on people that believe that good science was being done. It hasn't been. So here we are with an ugly I told you so, but I want to point out because again, mainstream media will try to tell you well, it's anecdotal. No, this is an independent body of scientists that are recognizing the rise of cancer and just injected in some mice. And lo and behold, Houston, we have a problem. And with all the money that the pharmaceutical companies have had it and all the money that our U.S. health agencies have had, nobody decided to look for this. It took three years after injecting hundreds of millions of people with this product for these researchers to do 14 mice. Hats off to these researchers, but where are

the rest of the bodies that are getting billions of dollars in funding? Why hasn't this study been done before or immediately after these things began to be injected into the population? Exactly. I mean, look, what was it? Two days after the second shot this happened? So 18 days. 18 days they could have done this long before in that year we're doing aggressive science, really trying to figure out what's going on here. We're not doing a PCR test on a single person in the trials, which we found out, never tested and see if this thing stops infection whatsoever. Now we know it doesn't. But you couldn't, again, you couldn't do this study. United States of America and the $10 billion spent propagandaizing us, forcing us to get this vaccine. No one said,

how about we throw a couple hundred dollars on 16 mice for 18 days and see what happens? I mean, folks, this should be so incredibly disturbing to you. And it should be disturbing when you see people attacked like me for speaking and Jeffrey for telling you the truth. Absolutely. Absolutely. And Del, this is the type of stuff that we've been reporting on for a very long time. And people, it's really important that people start to learn to read these studies or to look at these conclusions and to see patterns because what the media is reporting and what the scientific literature is reporting is very similar to what we saw with what happens in public health messaging compared to what happens when these public health messengers are on the stand

under oath. A lot of times it's two separate things and there's only a small window that they focus on that they're communicating over a wide range of information that is very, very relevant to this conversation. Yep. All right, Jeffrey, great reporting. So important. Really glad to have you on the team and we're just going to keep, you know, revealing the truth so that we never make a mistake like this again. I'll see you next week. Thank you. I'm going to take a deep breath like I have to do sometimes because it can get very upsetting. It's upsetting to see lies from your government. In just a moment, I'm going to have to sit down with someone that was lied to.

And I feel inside of myself, I'm so upset about who we weren't able to get to, who we weren't able to save, who we couldn't get the truth to. And for all of you out there that have been following us all the way through COVID or even before, that have been supporting this work, you know, I think we've saved millions. of lives, but I still hold it important those that we didn't get to, and I don't want to fall short again. We really need your help. You know, one of the things we're doing, we don't just report. We're like no other new agency you will ever see. I suppose some people, I get attacked, believe it or not, by mainstream media saying, Del, you are not a news organization because you fund science

and you fund, you know, legal cases against the government when you find a problem. You're an activist. Okay, all right, you got me. You know, I'm one. of these reporters that suck at my job. If I see a kid about to get shot in the middle of a war, I'm going to go grab the kid, pick them up. If that makes me not a journalist, then call me whatever you want. I'm not going to sit by and watch people get injured and keep rolling cameras and say, hey, look what's happening here. We're making a difference in the world, and that's why this is such a brilliant experience here, the high wire for those of you that are part of it. I know nothing like it in the world. We were just in Mississippi last week.

To think about what we've done here, I've showed you so many lawsuits we've won, But Mississippi was the first to lose their ability to opt out of a mandated vaccine program. Their religious exemption, their right to their First Amendment right to say, I don't believe in injecting aborted fetal DNA and cell lines into my children, or for whatever other reason they think this might be an abomination to what they believe. That right in the Bible Belt was taken away from them in 1979. And because of our work with ICANN and our brilliant lawyer, Aaron Siri, and his amazing team, We won back the religious exemption in Mississippi.

There it is, Judge, Mississippi must give religious exemption on vaccines. Folks, this is one of the, this is, I think, arguably, the biggest win for health freedom in history. And it was such an honor to be back in Mississippi with MPVR, who I have stood with in capitals there. A powerful group of warrior mamas, a couple dads, mostly mamas, that made this happen. And we have been fighting for this for many, many years. And I told them in my speech there, I always knew it would be Mississippi. I knew Mississippi would finally lead the world into medical freedom.

And sure enough, that's where it's happened. So you made that possible. For those of you that donate, not only do you watch this show when you make this incredible event happen, you are able to help fund us so that we can go to places like Freedom Fest and get our message to brand new hearts and minds. You get us to capitals where we get to speak.

We get to bring lawsuits against the government and, you know, bring you things like the V-safe data so that we know where they've been lying and where they have it and what's actually going on here. And you're able to help us fight for freedom and bring back the religious exemption. I really need your help. If you can't tell that we're in the last days here, whether or not we win, whether or not we truly have freedom and liberty, the high wire isn't only covering vaccines now. We're talking about many, many different fronts we're now having to fight on, whether it's A, and, AI that's coming at us and is going to try and rob us of our lives, our jobs in Hollywood, ironically fighting to try and hold onto their jobs there, you know, against this sick system. Central Reserve banking systems that want to track every dollar you spend, tell you where you can spend it, you know,

and it's vaccines, medical freedom, all of these issues, currencies are things that we're fighting. And not only are we talking about them, we're fighting in court. rooms for you. You make this experiment happen, but we are fighting on many, many fronts now. And if you can think of anyone else out there that's doing that great, support them too. But we're on the front lines for you, and I'm telling you, we really need your help now. So if you are a recurring donor, maybe you can push it just a little bit more right now in these incredible times. If you haven't donated, why don't you join those brave, brilliant folks that are part of the informed consent action network. Be in this network. Help change the world.

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write, donate in there. And we will send you a link. You can click on it and you can start changing the world right now. All right. I am a little emotional. It does, it's so bothersome to see how many people are being injured. This didn't have to happen. Long-term safety trials are not some, you know, mythical unicorn creature. It was what our science was designed to do. It's how medicine was supposed to work.

And instead, they rushed a product out, said, well, you're just going to have to trust us on long-term safety. There is no long-term safety. And ironically, there isn't even the ability to stop transmission. This vaccine is a disaster. do feel personally responsible for those we weren't able to reach. This is one of those stories. Jessica Sutter, we know her, a brilliant performer with the pussycat dolls. Her career has been interrupted because she was trying to do the right thing. She was lied to by everybody in mainstream

media. I think they should be held accountable. But most importantly, a president and a government that told everybody, this is how you protect each other when they never even bother to see if it could protect anybody. But before she was ruined by a vaccine, she was living the American dream. And this is what that is supposed to look like. I've always been a natural performer since the age of three.

Dance has always been something that I've loved with all of my heart. I remember coming home and practicing all the time. I really loved making people happy and laugh. It brought a lot of joy to me even as a little girl. In 2001, I started dancing for the Miami Heat. I loved basketball. So when I had the opportunity to dance for the Miami Heat,

I loved it because I actually just like watching the games. I even got to see Michael Jordan play. I came out here to Los Angeles, and I wasn't doing very well in the acting roles. I wonder why. I'm a terrible actress, and I had to start dancing again. My first job was with Smokey the Bear, a public service announcement to prevent forest fires,

and we were wearing tuxedo leotards in the middle of the forest, you know, putting out forest fires. And the choreographer of the... of that was Robin Anton, who was the creator of the Pussy Cat Dolls. And we hit it off so well on set. And she goes, you know what, I just love you. I want you to do me a favor. Cut your bangs, and I want you to join this group I have.

They're called the Pussy Cat Dolls. The Pussy Cats Dolls started in 92 in the garage of Robin Anton and Christina Applegate. Robin created this burlesque show, and it was just very feminine, very girly, very fun. They took the show to the Viper Room, and it just blew up underground. It was one of the coolest, hottest shows

on the Sunset Strip. When I came in in 2003, the record label Interscope came in and wanted to do something with the group, but there was 50 of us. So it went from 50 to 20 to 10 to 6 girls. And somehow I stayed with the six girls. And soon after that, we released our first single Don't You? And it was like overnight, the group just blew up.

And my life as I knew it was completely different. In 2019, the Fussy Cat decided that we were going to do a reunion worldwide tour. So I was back in action with them, and it was a whirlwind. When the pandemic started, right before lockdowns, we were about to go on tour. We were actually in London, and everything started to close down and we were sent home. To be very honest with you, I was absolutely terrified.

I was glued to the television. I didn't think this is even possible that they would lock down the entire world. But when that started happening, that's when the fear really set in. the fear really set in and I really relied on mainstream media to get all of my information. And as the pandemic progressed, the more scared I got and I just absolutely isolated myself, didn't do anything but stay home as I was ordered and just comply to what was going on in our world. I was so afraid to breathe the air going to the grocery store and I had gloves on and a mask and just so terrified. I remember when

they announced that the vaccine was coming out. It was in warp speed and it's going to change everything. It's going to stop the pandemic. You better go get this shot. Otherwise, you're not to be trusted. You're going to be the problem for all these deaths. The guilt tactics that they put on us was very extreme. I did believe in vaccines.

I also hadn't done any research in vaccines. I was just told by doctors that they're safe and effective. I did see some things here and there about vaccine injury, but it was kind of like, oh, they're anti-vaccin. When you see that anti-vaccine, you immediately just look the other way. Because being anti-vax back then is probably the worst thing you could ever be. But we were pressured by society. We were pressured by family. They got me really good when they said you need to protect your kid. Well, we've all lived through it. We were all in this together worldwide, and this is a worldwide audience.

We watched the way they talked about it, the way they terrified us, all the way down to Leanne Wend, saying we should use this as a carrot that you don't have have freedom until you get it. And most importantly, I gave a speech at Freedom Fest about the weaponization of compassion, that use our compassion, that to take care of one another, we should do this. And so my heart goes out to all of those that made this decision to be compassionate towards their fellow man, if only that had been true. And unfortunately, all the lies ended up affecting Jessica when she decided to get this vaccine. And this is not a story for all of those the vaccine didn't hurt. This is about those that it did.

When it was time for me to get vaccinated, Moderna felt like the safest one, and I, honest to God, never in my wildest dreams thought this would happen to me. I never knew this was even possible. After I got the shot, about three days later, I woke up with a muscle spasm in my right rib.

I broke my rib in 2009 on tour, so I know the feeling really well. When I got up, it felt like I was going to fate. Everything was foggy, nothing made sense, and I just couldn't focus and I was in so much pain. And as an athlete, I went to do everything I possibly could, massage, acupuncture, chiropractor. Nothing would get this muscle spasm out.

So I ended up in the hospital. And they did a cat scan, they did blood work, all of these things. They're like, you're totally fine. You might have a kidney infection. So I sent home with antibiotics. After that second shot, my whole life completely was destroyed. Life as I knew it was not the same.

The muscle spasm just got worse, And then all of a sudden, all my joints, my muscles, my knees, my head, everything just ached and ached and ached. Nothing felt right. And I didn't know what was going on with me at all. Then I started feeling burning in my rib cage all across my ribcage and up and down my spine. Then it spread through my whole body. About six months after when things got worse, I started developing a tremor, which I still have on and off now. I'd have involuntary head jerks, leg jerks, arm jerks still.

The neuropathy within my rib cage would come in contractions. It would be like three minutes of burning, burning, burning, and then it would go away for a minute, catch my breath, and it would come back, and it would be nonstop. And I just remember looking at the ceiling like, oh my god, this is it. I am going to die. It was May 3rd, I remember the day,

and I was like, I can't take this burning anymore. I have to go to the hospital, and I wish I had never gone to that hospital. That was torture. They ran all these tests. Nothing was indicating anything at all. I was begging for pain meds. like just make it stop, just make it stop.

And they wanted to give me a discussion about addiction. And I said, listen, I know all about addiction. I'm an alcoholic. I've done the 12 steps. I'm sober. And that's when they pin me as a crazy person looking for painkillers. There was no one that believed me for the first year of this.

No one. It was a case of it's in your head. Let's give you psychiatric meds, which absolutely exasperated my pain, made things worse. It's an invisible injury. right? And it's going against the narrative what we're taught of being safe and effective. When you come out against the narrative, you're pinned a conspiracy theorist. I'm just a human being trying to survive this and not lose my life and not having support

from people. That's part of the psychological warfare of this. The eye rolling and the laughing behind my back and being nice to me in my face, but then, you know, talking bad about it and like, oh, here she goes again. I was healthy before I took that job. I know that, and I know my body better than anyone. I'm a dancer. I just turned 41, but I just added to zeros because that kind of feels right. I'm just not myself anymore. I'll have a day or two where I feel like,

okay, this is going away, and the next day I won't be able to walk. My hands and my feet, everything hurts. I'm not able to dance. I'm not able to work out. So it kind of puts me into deep depression. I find myself falling into really dark places, but I stay strong for my son.

I'm joined now by Jessica Seda. Thank you for coming in today. you so much for having me on your show. I'm sorry. Just seeing that. It's just so hard to know this is real life and then seeing my son. And that's truly who I live for him and my husband. So thank you. And thank you for everything that you do for us in this world. I mean, it's just, yeah, sorry for the tears. But what you see is what you get with me anymore, you know? Yeah. What is the emotion? I mean, you know, I mean, obviously you don't feel good. But what you see is what? and we'll get into that.

But when you think about your family, you think about what is it that is the worst part of this experience? That I'm just not myself at all anymore. I'm just kind of a shell of a person. You know, I'm closer to God more than ever, and I love being a mother, but I wish that I could be the person that I was before that job.

I was strong. I was athletic. I never liked to sit still, and I feel like there's times where I feel like such a bad mom, because I can't lift my son up. or I can't attend certain things with friends, so now I'm just an outcast. My whole life has just been ripped from me, life as I knew it, for sure. I mean, I think part of it when I sit here with you, you wouldn't know, right?

There's nothing that we physically say, look, there's something going on. Is that, I mean, you have, you know, you've spoken out, which is really brave for someone, you know, we all, everyone in this team pretty much fled California and Hollywood where I worked because it's gone crazy there. It has. Is that part of the accusation? You look fine. You're making this out. That's the whole issue.

It's like that you can't imagine the amount of compliments I got. So when I got the second jab, I lost 50 pounds in three months. And in Hollywood, that's a great thing. You got to be like a stick, you know? So, wow, you look great. What are you doing? I'm like, I'm not doing anything. It feels like my body's eating itself.

Okay, what kind of diet is that? Like they just, it's so superficial. And it's really just a sickening world in Hollywood. in Hollywood and I'm just absolutely over it. So take me through what you know what the physical experience is that's going on with you. Well I'm just weak all the time I'm in pain almost every single day I have some hours where I feel good

but most of the time I'm just tired, I'm aching my skin hurts to the touch it's hard to breathe sometimes it's hard to walk yesterday I had a hard time walking off the plane yeah just every day you just don't know and when you do have the spurts of feeling good. It's like I don't want to celebrate that too much because the next day I won't be able to walk or I won't be able to function. In the beginning, I lost my brain a lot. I couldn't put words together my thoughts. It was just horrible. I've gotten that back, but it's just every day is kind of a challenge. And I know it's a challenge for my family too, especially my husband

who's been so incredibly supportive throughout this whole thing. But I'm sure it's really hard for him because he can't do anything about it? And so many times he's like, can I just take it away from you? I wish it would, you know, and I'm like, I'm glad this happened to me and not to you or to our son. I'll take it. And I'm going to survive this, but it's a test every single day. Yeah, I want to definitely give your husband a shout out because, you know, I have been reporting on vaccine injury for some time. And, you know, a lot of men, whether it's their kids or their wives, they walk out, they leave. And I think a lot of it's that, you know, I'm generalizing, of course, but we have a fix it mentality.

Like we fix it, I can go out, can fix it. And when we come across something we can't fix, we eventually feel, I think, insignificant or incapable, and facing that gets difficult. And I've watched so many men walk on on their families and these things. And women, this is where you're so powerful, your ability to stay in power, your ability to still stay focused on your kids.

And you talked about that with many of the people that you're working with that are suffering as injury. is that, you know, one woman has a trait, like, you know, a hole in her throat and she's still a mom. A mom. Cooking dinner. Taking care of her kids. Yep.

So, yeah, definitely a shout out to your husband because that's really awesome. I want to ask you a question. I haven't ever really asked someone in this space, which is I know that when I'm sick or things are going on, I'm trying to figure out what my body's doing. Have you thought about, like, in your mind, and I know you're not a doctor, but you're trying to imagine what is going on with me, what do you think this vaccine did or is doing inside of your body? Well, I know that it ate my healthy cells. I could feel my body actually eating itself. Those three months of losing the weight, it felt like my body was eating itself, especially around my rib cage. and I feel like it's hijacked my brain. It is literally, and neurologically, I just feel like not myself anymore.

I don't feel like I'm here most of the time. I feel like I'm out of body because I've also developed pots, dysotonia. And it's just some days I won't be able to get up without laying down right away because I get all these, like, this black hole just go right in my head and I'm just like, and I feel like I'm going to faint all the time. so it just never know what the day is going to bring. But I can say it destroyed my body, and I can say it wasn't safe or effective. Because when I did actually get COVID, because I got COVID six months after I got the job.

And I remember my neurologist who three days prior said, oh, you had an adverse reaction. And I'm like, oh, my God, what does this mean? He's like, yeah, just don't get sick. And then three days later, I got COVID. And I was fine with COVID. It was afterwards where the neuropathy and the neurological disorder started coming. and tenfold. It was horrible. And I have been the same sense. And so what recourse is there for people out there, you know, when you, you know,

when you realize in your doctor, obviously, is admitting you're having a bad reaction. So what does the doctor do then? How good do you think the medical establishment has been at handling this issue? Not well, not good at all. And I was with Kaiser Permanente and I was surprised that he even diagnosed me with adverse reaction and it was on all my paperwork. And I would tell people that they're like, oh, yeah, yeah, your anti-vax, this is, this is not true. And I'm like, it is, you know. And what they did was is they sent me on my way with, like, 10 different pharmaceuticals. And it just felt like at the hospital when they handed me the lifetime supply of gabapentin, Simbalta, all of these things that exasperated my pain, by the way, it was horrible.

I was like, in my mind, I was like, this feels like war, and it feels like this was done on purpose, because, wow, I'm a returning customer, you know? Yeah. And, yeah, since I got all. off that medication, and holistic medication's not really been doing very well with me, ozone treatment, things that, you know, I've done everything, every modality and everything has backfired of me. So I've had to kind of go back to the pharmaceutical land. So, and that really makes me angry, to be honest with you. Yeah. You feel like you're on a conveyor belt, I suppose.

Yeah. Exactly. It's just like I was fighting and fighting it. And finding last week, I went to my doctor. I said, just, I have to give in. I have to do big pharma. And I'm not happy about it. It just will not leave my body no matter what I do, no detox, no ozone, nothing. It just feels like an ongoing nightmare. Wow. How is it affecting your child? My child, I don't think it's affecting him too much. He's like the biggest pain reliever in the world.

When I'm with him, nothing else matters. If he wants me to pick him up and I'm in a flare, it doesn't matter. I'm going to pick him up and play with him. He gives me so much light and love and life. And if it wasn't for him and my husband, I don't think I would be here because psychologically, being ousted by society, being ousted by family, not being believed, just kind of pinned a crazy person

and not be taken seriously, it can do enough to your soul, you know? But luckily, I have them because it wouldn't be worth it anymore. The world, the way it is right now, it's just, it's a dark, evil place right now. And now that this has happened to me, I'm seeing the other side. I'm seeing the things that I had never seen before that I was kind of shielded by mainstream media or whatever.

When you decided to speak out, were you aware, I mean, did you feel like you would be well received or were you bracing yourself for knowing that I'm probably going to be attacked? I mean, because you're in Hollywood, you're in, you're in the belly of the beast here that was literally having dancing vaccines, you know, shot, shot at a cat. Have a hamburger, get a free vaccine. Right. So when you were going to speak out against the narrative, you know, from inside the machine, What was your expectation?

I was expected exactly what happened. You know, just like a lot of people stopped talking to me. A lot of agents and managers, I don't speak to them anymore. Yeah, I mean, it was a very scary thing for me to do, which I think is so odd. But I know the severity, we're in a crisis right now. And if we don't get the notoriety and this into mainstream media to let people know this is really happening, people are suffering, people are not getting the medical attention that they need. It's a very expensive injury, you know.

People are just going to die. They're not going to make it. They're going to take their life or, you know, their health conditions just going to plummet and they're going to die suddenly. You know, it's that severe. So it was important for me to do that. I didn't care about the repercussions at that point. One of the things that led me to do it was I was watch,

I used to watch KTLA all the time, and the lady was talking about, they're stopping the mandates for the military. And I said, oh, thank God. And she goes, but can you believe they don't think it's safe and effective? And I have like neuropathy in my rib cage and I'm just like turn it off. And that was a turning point for me because I was like, we need to protect our troops. We need to protect our kids, but we need to protect our troops. I can't believe this is even happening.

And that's why I said, okay, I'm ready to speak out. And I'm ready to get the backlash that came with it. And there was a lot. But at this point, I have more sympathy for them because they just don't know. And unless you live it, you just truly don't. I don't know. Well, what happens when you speak out? What happens when you tell the truth?

What happens when you realize what's happening? Jessica told us a little bit about that. One day I was watching the news, and they were talking about stopping the mandate for the military getting their shots. And I was like, oh, yes, thank God. And then the reporter said, gosh, can you believe they still think this is not safe and effective? And I just knew at that very moment we're doomed. When I stepped into the world of the vaccine injured, and I saw how devastation.

stating this is, I promise you this is a crisis. And there's a lot more than you could even imagine. I saw Bree Dresson, who is the co-founder of React 19, she really inspired me. And she's one of the people that I look up to the most. And that's when I reached out to React 19 and told them I was scared to death to speak out, but they convinced me, and that's where I got the strength.

I went on American Thought Leaders, as I really enjoyed that show. It was very scary. There is a lot of backlash with this. And I've lost a lot of fans, and agents don't call me anymore. This is the time to ask me if I really care about that. I don't because I'm so done with Hollywood. I don't care about a career. Humanity is way more important,

and we're hurting bad, and people need us. If I could be a beacon of light for anyone, that's why I do this. I don't think I could live with myself if I hadn't spoke out. It's astounding the numbers of people that are injured and not getting help. It's a disgrace on humanity to not take care of the people that I've been injured because they were lied to.

When they were told this is safe and effective, and we all know, this ain't safe. And guess what? It's not effective either. One person has a trink now having an adverse reaction, but she's still a mom. So she cooks dinner for her kids. She took them to Disney World last week.

She's in a wheelchair, but she still has to be a mom. Life goes on with these injuries. I met another mother who's a single parent with two autistic children. She has neuropathy in her eyes. She's about to lose her eyesight. She's about to lose her job. These are the people that are being forgotten,

pinned a conspiracy theorist, completely thrown away. thrown away and that's not okay with me because I'm American first and I want to take care of our people when you have to stare into the eyes of someone that lost their child. This is why I speak out and being a mother too. I want a world for MJ to be safe. I want him to know his mom will fight for what's right and do the right thing always. It's so hard to see people with the injuries with the shaking. I have a visceral connection to it and I understand that pain so well and you can't see it's invisible right but I can feel it in my soul you know we've had several of the the brave people that are involved with React 19 here and every

time you come I always have this a mixed emotion every time it's the same thing you have to think about your travel I think you came in a day early just so that you could try to recover from the flights they could be able to do that you're flying you know we're going to be speaking together in Houston this weekend on Saturday at a big event for React 19. I get to travel. I'm going to be fine in all directions. All I have to worry about is just not getting tired.

I just, your sacrifice and what you're putting up with. And just tell me about that. Like going in an airport, I'm sure some flare-ups are worse than others. There must be a fear, like how bad is this going to affect my body? I have so much PTSD from all the experiences of flying because that's where I think the elevation. in the flight, that's where the blood clotting happens. I have a blood clotting disorder of vascular inflammation, so I'll feel it in my ribcage.

I felt it yesterday, but I pray, and I do a lot of meditation, and I just kind of sit. I have a heating pad. Yeah, I mean, I just take it slowly, but I know the importance of speaking out and doing these interviews and our event. And to be honest, selfishly, I like to be with my tribe, because I feel like I've been ousted so outed in Hollywood and not. don't fit in anymore, but when I'm with my tribe, I'm with my people, they understand me. I don't have to explain myself. And I don't feel like I have a tinfoil hat on all the time.

You know, it's like the acceptance piece is the most important. And I'm a fun person inside. So it's like I want to be able to enjoy my life as much as I can. So. How do you explain? I mean, I try to figure this out, you know, being attacked by the media, mainstream media, reporters come up to me and, you know, you're spreading misinformation. First of all, how is it do you think so easy for them when every drug we take has side effects written on it? When we listen to that ticker tape at the bottom of every commercial saying this could even lead to death. Right. You know, I love the ones that say, if you're allergic to the name of the product, then let us know.

Like, don't take it. Like, well, obviously. But how is it that they can, and why are they so violently angry that there is a group of people, saying this didn't work so well from you. And what do you think that... Well, I think they don't like the fact that they've been lied to. You know, I think that was a big pill for me to swallow, you know. But I think a lot of them are getting paid off from Big Pharma.

I have no doubt about that. I really don't. And I think money goes a long way. And unfortunately, like, like for my OB, for instance, she was going to give me the jab while I was pregnant. I mean, I have so much resentment towards her because of that, but she was going to make like $300. So, you know, she was 10,000.

clients that day. I mean, you know, they're filling up their pockets, which is such a shame. And it's so disgusting that humanity has gotten to that place. Well, let's talk about the work you know. Let's talk about React 19 and this amazing event. I mean, you talk about the funding. So many people. I mean, you've done well in your life. You know, you've been successful. You know, you're going to be with Ernest Ramirez, who, you know, is, you know, not a Hollywood star trying to deal with his other people injured, regular people. I mean, do you think about this? The finances, what this is doing to people,

and then to have an insurance system, a country saying this isn't happening, it's not real, and they're left all alone. Yeah, it's, like I said, it's a crisis. And luckily, the event, all the proceeds, and even when you donate to React19.org, all proceeds go to medical expenses for the injured, every penny.

And like I said before, this is one of the most expensive injuries because a lot of the treatments, you know, Western medicine's not going to give to you, or it's too expensive. It's the specialty lab, a certain type of cytokine panel that you have to take. So, I mean, you know, this money is very important because it's actually going to save lives. Yeah. Yeah.

So just tell me about the event we're in Houston on Saturday. Who all is going to be there? What's it going to be like? Well, we have a bunch of speakers, and it's going to be a lot of fun. there's a dunk tank. Okay. Yes, and apparently there's a Fauci look-alike in the dunk tank. So if anyone wants to go out there and the breeze hold me if any of the speakers like speak over, talking about you, Del. You can go in the dunk tank for charity. I mean, I'm not going to a. I'm glad you warned me. Maybe I'll bring some swim trunks or something like that case.

There you go. I love it. I love it. We have performers, singers, 11 a.m. to 11 p.m., games, music, a lot of good time. It's time to have fun. You know, life has been very heavy. lately so I'm looking forward to just like having a good time raising money for a good cause and helping the injured. What is your hope moving forward? I mean when you speak out, obviously the speaking doesn't help you with your body and what's going on, but what is it that you feel will happen because of the work you're doing? I feel like hopefully more people will come to terms of what's happening to them and feel

like they're not alone, not feel so isolated because I feel like this disease has been such an isolating event for me and I've lost so many people and so many friends and it's very lonely but for me to speak out I when I when I saw that brief when brief spoke out it was something for me that it was a beacon of light that I wasn't alone and that I could get through this and she inspires me every day I just she's one of my closest friends I adore her so if I can do that for anyone else that's important to me and you know it's like being in Hollywood oh it's so taboo to say this but you know what I'm sorry no career is worth like

the sake of humanity. Humanity is the most important, you know. So coming from the band that I come from, hopefully this will get to more people, but, you know, I'm not the famous one. It was the Plyssicat dolls that were, you know. So, but I think it's important to get this word out there, because we're going to save lives this way. Let me ask you one last question, because I think it's what we're grappling with here, and I'm pretty transparent with my audience. And we're trying to figure this out. There's so many people that, I think, feel like they're doing fine from vaccine. always been the issue, right? My child did fine. I'm doing fine. And, you know, if we can't enroll those people, we can't make change. I mean, just speaking to those that are injured doesn't fix this.

What do you want the message to be to those who, you know, got the vaccine, maybe watching right now or curious, you know, what's happening here? But what is our message to those people that are, I think, trying to reject this. I mean, also, I don't want to be a doomsday thinking, you You're in trouble. It hasn't happened yet. It's coming your way. How do we message this to, how would you have needed to hear it prior to the injury? I think it's about, well, your audience would have a better understanding of vaccine injury, but for the people that don't watch the show, and, you know, in this world, I think it's lean in and start looking at things that you would never look at before. Look at the testimonies, actual life testimonies of people with neuropathy, with a tremor that are hand. through this whole situation, I think it will really open up their mind

to see what's really happening because I can't imagine the people that I know if they really leaned in and saw the severity of this and saw how many people have died and are dying and taking their lives because of this, I think they would have a change of heart and I think they would want to help fellow Americans, fellow humans, you know,

because they're good people. You guys were good people to take the shot, right? Well, why are you forgetting about the people the people that took the shot and are hurt. You know what I mean? So I hopefully, you know, people's eyes will be open more with watching documentaries, watching interviews and just leaning in more and not just like, you know, I think the way that they psychologically did this with vaccines, it's like anti-vaxor, okay, look away.

Oh, crazy person, tinfoil hat. No, no, no, no, no. There's a reason. And the thing is this is going to get out there because there's too many of us. Yeah. There are too many of us. And then it's, you know, I can't tell you how many people I, I, I've had around me that have passed away or lost family.

I mean, and it's just coming closer and closer to home. And I can't say that I don't know what's going to happen to me. You know, I always get nervous when I watch some of the things about the cancers. And, you know, because my body just doesn't feel right, you know. But I'm a fighter. And it's in God's hands. Well, I want to thank you for fighting. I want to thank you for your courage.

I want to thank you for coming here to share your story. Thank you, tell you. This helps us get out to the millions of people that can then share the story and hear it from somebody that they know. I think that that is so important. A lot of brave people just aren't known, but when we see someone we recognize and know and say, that's a dancer, that's a person that's always been there in front of me. Now she's telling me I should be looking to this. I think it's going to have a great effect, and I want to thank you for that courage because I know you're coming under a lot of heat for speaking up. I think everyone's time to wake up.

It's time to wake up and help your fellow people that are suffering. All right, very good. Thank you for joining us today on the Highwire. Look, if you want to meet me or Jessica, we're going to be in Houston this Saturday at the, I think it's Montgomery County Fairgrounds in Houston. We're going to be there all day, a super important event, but it's also going to be a lot of fun. So if you're anywhere in the area around Texas, let's all get together and hang out, find each other. This is a way we build community. This is, you know, having community as, you know, we keep talking about.

I don't think this is over. I think there's more craziness ahead for us. We really need to know each other. And next time we've got to realize that we are the majority of this nation, the world. I truly believe that. We're waking up, but this is how we come together and find out who lives near us, who thinks like us, so that we're stronger the next time they try to force an untested product on the world. But, you know, we've talked about the problem.

We've had the issue. You know, Dr. Shannon Croner is trying to teach kids and help that space. My next guest has spent literally his life, his career, healing and attempting to figure out what's going on with vaccine injury. And I think that he may actually be the most dangerous doctor with a microphone that ever lived. This is him at the ASIP meetings at the CDC, a couple of them all pushed together. Next speaker is Mr. James New and Schwander, please. Once again, it's Dr. James New and Schwander. I'm a physician duly board certified in emergency and integrated medicine

with over 30 years of experience caring for chronically ill children and adults. I have personally witnessed vaccine injuries in my career as an emergency room physician, and I can tell you it is not rare, and certainly more than one in a million. The parents of those children will, to their dying breaths, say that it was a vaccine, to cause their child to descend into autism. It was a vaccine that caused their child's neurologic disorder. It was a vaccine that caused their child's asthma, their child's eczema, their child's food allergy.

And I'm here today to tell you you're losing the confidence of those people and the healthcare practitioners that care for them when it comes to vaccine safety. I used to naively think that ASEP based all their recommendations on rigorous study of multiple trials that determine the safety and efficacy of each one of your recommendations. one of your recommendations. I've since learned that ASAP is simply participating in an industry-wide phenomenon. I'm going to call junk science. There's certainly a need for far greater vaccine

safety research. Without that science, we can't have good communication. We can't repurpose the same old science because it's going to make things look better. We need more investment in vaccine safety science. Those are not my words. Those are the words of Heidi Larson, who is the director of the World Health organizations vaccine confidence project. But I'm not here today to debate the safety and efficacy of vaccines. I will, however, challenge each and every one of you in this room to that debate. I will challenge the CDC, the NIH, any university out there to that debate in the public forum, but I know it will never happen. The science isn't there. I'm all about the science. The biggest cause of vaccine hesitancy in this country is the lack of true vaccine science. I saw this committee in the last

meeting, look at the new macauccal vaccine and say it doesn't work and yet leave it on the schedule and leave it up to us to determine whether or not we give it to a patient. I'm sorry, but that's your job. In 2013, the Institute of Medicine was tasked with the job of determining the safety of the entire vaccine schedule. What they found was there wasn't any evidence. There was no study comparing the health outcomes of a vaccinated population to a completely unvaccinated population. In response, the CDC created a committee of experts to determine how could you ethically do this study. The result was a 2015 white paper in which they outlined the 20 most concerning health conditions along with details on how to do each of these studies. They even gave a specific

example of how to use the VSD to study how the schedule affected a child's risk of asthma. That was five years ago. Nothing has happened. We're all still waiting. We're all still waiting. If you want the statement, vaccines are safe and effective to be anything more than an advertising campaign, you need this kind of science. And if you're unwilling or unable to do this, please step aside and give people like me access to the VSD. We'll make sure those studies are done. The vaccine hesitant are winning people that are side at a much greater rate than the vaccine confident. They're five times more likely to go to the other side.

You're losing that battle. We stand on a threshold of a public health crisis, and vaccines are part. of that. But you guys can make a difference. If we don't change the course of where we're at right now, we will have nothing but chronically ill children and adults. We'll have epidemics of autoimmunity, of autism, of infertility, of asthma, food allergies, of cancer. But you can change that. Please, the community counts on you. Do your job. I have talked a lot about the fact that we have a group of international scientists and doctors that work with us in our investigations. One of them is Dr. James Nguyen Sondra. He is also one of our Board of Directors for the

informed consent action network that makes all this happen. It's my honor and pleasure to be joined right now. Thank you so much for having me, Del. I really appreciate being here and I promise I hope I won't cry. Okay, that sounds good. When I watched that, when I mean you've been spectacular on that microphone. You know, we've talked about it a lot talking to the CDC. Had had they ever listened to you or I or those of us that spoke on those microphones, we wouldn't be sitting having gone through this interview that I just did with Jessica. Yes, absolutely. These are older videos. You know, they have not had live meetings since COVID,

so these are at least three years old. And, you know, they know what the problems are. I think when you and Bobby Kennedy sat down with Fauci and Redfield and those folks about vaccines, when you said, we couldn't find any placebo-controlled trials with any of these vaccines. I honest believe those three thought those studies had been done. Right. And it was only when they looked, they were going, oh, my God, we haven't done those. And that's what we're trying. You know, this was the whole idea of what was happening there.

And the problem is they've taken that information, this charge from that Institute of Medicine. They took that charge. You need to do these studies, these vaccinated versus unvaccinated studies. Do vaccines cause asthma? Do vaccines cause mental health problems? Do vaccines cause things like autism? Yeah. Right.

And so now they're doing these studies, but they still won't include an unvaccinated group. They just presented a paper at ASAP. This is the advisory committee and immunization practices. The very last meeting, they presented a paper where they were looking at different doses of aluminum in the vaccine schedule and whether that correlated with asthma. Right. Now, the paper itself said one thing. The data that you went to that wasn't in the paper, it was a fourfold increase in the raw data.

Now, they manipulated that into a twofold increase. But when they presented the data, they said it was 26% increase per milligram of aluminum. Now, everybody, committee's going to 26%. That's very reassuring until you realize kids get four milligrams, four times 26. Right. Come on. You know, that's double the risk when you manipulated all that data. And this is the kind of stuff that's been driving us nuts forever, right? I mean, you know, I listened to the interview you just did, right? So you look at somebody walks into your office and they have burning pain and they have shakes and they have ticks and they have, you know, brain fog and they feel like they're out of their body. Yeah. You know, and you think, oh my God, this is a crazy woman. Unless you can. and recognize that maybe this is an injury from a vaccine. Because the one thing that will explain all the symptoms she had is immune activation,

autoimmunity, neuropathy, these are all part of the same process. And if you do not teach that to doctors, we're not gonna recognize it. And this is the whole problem with the entire vaccine schedule that we're not taught this stuff in medical school. We're not taught this stuff in residency

like we do with everything else. I know the side effect of a Stanton drug. I know the benefits of a Stanton drug. I was taught that. I was taught the benefits of a vaccine. I was never taught the negatives. Right. And it's just crazy. I was, we were just at Freedom Fest and a moment that's really stuck with me, a very famous scientist and is fairly outspoken that really understood the problem with the COVID vaccine, you know, fairly early on, but locked up with me a little bit out there a couple years ago when I said, this isn't just the COVID vaccine, it's the whole childhood schedule. And they pushed back on that.

I tried to lay out all of my thoughts, and they came up to me at Freedom Fest and said, well, I suppose you knew this was coming, but you were right. You were right about everything. And they're just, they're shocked. It's like the world has come crashing in and said, You know, I knew there was problems. I knew there was problems with the vaccine program. I mean, it's a medical product. I knew we were overstating it. When I went and looked for the science and I really got into it,

I was shocked there is nothing there. That was the statement. There's nothing there. And it really is the truth. We're watching all sorts of people being attacked that would dare to say that vaccines haven't been proper safety studies. And we hear this mantra, oh, it's robust science. And this is what was being, you know, argue with me two years ago,

when this individual came up, that knows fully well how to do the research, did all the research, and they come back and say, my God, they haven't done anything. There's no science. It's really, really shocking. It's not even that there's no science. I mean, I could almost forgive them if they never did the study, right? We're going to test this vaccine, but we think vaccines are so great. We're not even going to have a control group. We're just going to test the vaccine. Okay, fine. You know, that goes right along with that vaccines are. safe and effective, this is a vaccine, why should we worry about safety?

It's going to be effective because it's a vaccine. What I have problems with is when you go into these studies, and the classic example here is the original Prevnar 7 vaccine. This is the pneumonia vaccine, right? So they have a group of people that get the Previnar 7 vaccine, and they have a control group. What did they give the control group? Did they give them an inert placebo? Well, you know they didn't do that, right?

Did they give him a different vaccine, like the flu vaccine? They didn't even do that. What they gave him was an experimental meningitis vaccine that has never been approved even since then. It's like that's not just bad science. That's like unethical. How can you do that? They literally test an experimental product against a totally different experimental product. This one never made the market.

But look, we did better than that experimental product. And, Del, these are nuts. These are not stupid people. I mean, they have to sit there and figure this stuff out. But there's a very small group of people that actually know that that's how that study was done. I understand. Like the other doctors just go, no, clearly there was placebo group. That's insane what you're saying.

This is madness. And they think they're right. And this is the thing about the doctors in the COVID vaccine injury movement is, you know, we call them newbies. It's like, welcome to the game. We've been doing this for 20 years. But, you know, when you have these doctors and they get up on stage and they say, I'm not anti-vax, I get my flu vaccine every year. And you sort of say in the aisles later, hey, have you looked at the flu vaccine?

Right. And they do their due diligence because they're good doctors. What you, you know, we don't know everything. Somebody comes in and challenges us. Then my job is to go hit the books, do the research, find out what's going on and say, oh, okay, well, maybe. I was mistaken. Maybe I was misled. Maybe I came up with a false conclusion based on the evidence I had, but this new evidence is suggesting something else. That's a good doctor. None of those people are out there saying, I get my flu vaccine anymore. Right. Right. And so they did the

research. They found these studies, and it's mind-blowing. I mean, some of these things are so mind-blowing, you cannot believe that a government-funded, intelligent, experienced scientist can do this kind of study. And then all these other people just smiling not at the FDA advisory committee and at the CDC advisory committee and just rubber stamp everything that comes in front of them. I mean, one of the things like just that blew my mind, I remember, and I was actually just revisiting when Robert Kennedy Jr. and I went to the NIH set up by Donald Trump, and we brought up the placebo-based study. We can't find any. And they ended up having this conversation, well, we do something better. We do, I forget what they called exactly like an

adjuvant study, where they literally took all the toxins, the, you know, you know, the adjuvants and all the mess that's in the vaccine, they give that to the control group, and then the other group gets the full vaccine. So the only difference is the antigen, right? And they say, this is the greatest study there is. I was like, not if our issue is with all of the toxic chemicals that are in it, because they both got toxic chemicals.

What you're trying to see is, did the one that only got toxic chemicals do any better than the one that got toxic chemicals in a little bit of virus or bacteria? Well, it's about the same. They're all sick, so, you know, we did pretty good. And this was the thing about that. aluminum study I was talking about. Yeah. Because if you go into the raw data, meaning the data they didn't manipulate,

and, you know, they had all the, you know, if you read these articles, you recognize all the names on there. You know, like. Stephano. Yeah, Frank, the fixer to Stephano, right? So anytime you bring in Frank to Stephano. Colleen Boyles in there a lot, right. It's because you don't like your data. It's like, Frank, how can we fix this?

Right. You know, and so, but even he couldn't do it. But if you look at the raw data, you know, you look at each milligram of aluminum that the kid is exposed to, you have almost a linear relationship with the degree of asthma, right? So we're talking asthma. We're not talking any other condition. We're not talking autoimmunity or any of these other things, but you can show that linear relationship in asthma, and yet they say it's no problem. And you have to remember, I mean, we are, you know, we spend more money than anybody else in the world on health care, right? It's double our nearest competitor. More money than

anybody else. When you look at pediatric health, particularly neonatal and infant health, like under a year old, I think we're number 48, 49 on the world list. We have more babies die on the first day of life than every other industrialized nation combined. We have horrific numbers. And it's horrible. I mean, we are worse than all of Europe. We're worse than most of the Middle East.

We're worse than South Korea or Japan. You know, it's just terrible. It's an embarrassment for how bad we are because in the 50s we weren't there. I mean, in the 50s, we really did lead the world in health care and innovation and that sort of thing. And we've fallen behind. Why?

You know, because if you look at where the numbers are now, you can say, oh, all these kids are sick, and, you know, we see all this obesity and asthma and autoimmune disorders. It's not even so much how much we have now because people think, oh, well, hasn't it always been that way? But when you go back to when I went to medical school, which is 1981, and you compare to where it's been in the last 10 years, you know, we have triple the rate of asthma, triple the rate of autoimmunity, triple the rate of type 1 diabetes, 10 times the rate of food allergies. and I don't even know what the number is with autism anymore. It was about one in 5,000, one in 10,000 when I went to medical school. We don't know for sure. You know, the last numbers were 1 in 36, 39. And if it's boys, could be 1 in 18, 1 in 20.

And African-American boys, one in 12. And these are numbers from 2012. We have no idea what the number is right now. Because they refused to look at it. So tell me what is a MAP doctor. This is a term that I heard when I first started traveling, when I met you with Vax, which sort of threw me in the middle of all this, but this is something you've been at some time.

So what does that mean, MAPS? Well, so MAPS stands for Medical Academy of Pediatric Special Needs. And we started, there originally was an organization called Dan, defeat autism now, was purely dedicated for finding solutions to autism because nobody knew what was going on. Right.

The idea was they were going to bring together parents, scientists, and doctors, put them all in the same room and see what kind of solutions they could come up with. Well, you know, Dan was great for a while, and then a lot of these organizations fall apart. There's infighting and all that. So Dan kind of disappeared, and MAPS was born from the ashes of Dan. And the idea behind MAPS was to take practitioners.

You know, originally it was anybody that could write a prescription. Now it's pretty much anybody who's a health care practitioner and takes care of kids. And teach them some of the principles. So when you look at autism, regardless of what the CDC says, and even, Some of our members don't believe this. But if you listen to parents, which, you know, I was always taught as a former ER doctor, ignore mom or dad at your own peril, right? But when you listen to parents, it's 70 to 80% of parents that a vaccine had something to do with their kid's autism.

Right. So whether they're all delusional or not, we should be investigating that. Indeed. We're really not. Yeah. So the idea here was, all right, you've got this kid in front of you. They have autism. A, what the heck is autism?

B, what do you as a practitioner do for that kid? And that's where I learned more biochemistry in a couple of years in Dan than I had learned in my entire life in medical school and undergraduate. And that's really what we teach now. We teach the fundamental principles of integrated medicine, functional medicine, whatever you want to talk about it. We're looking at trying to train practitioners to be a solution to the problems that we're having. And so MAPS for a while with...

strictly neurodevelopmental delays, kids with seizures, kids with autism, ADD, that sort of thing. And a few years ago it was like, whoa, we got a huge problem here. You know, I started working with the executive committee, now I'm the president of MAPS, but it was like we need to move this more into this realm of general pediatrics, because we're ignoring this whole group of kids over here that have all these disorders. Because if you mess up the immune system, if you overact the immune system, you're going to have asthma and food allergies and eczema and environmental allergies, you know, you're going to see that. But if it gets worse than that, you're going to see seizures from brain inflammation.

You're going to see autism and ADD and people don't understand a lot of these psychiatric, you know, I'm going to put that in quotes, psychiatric disorders are actually inflammation of the brain. You know, and if you can address that, then we can do something about it. We look at kids on the spectrum, 80% of them have gut problems. Right. 70% of them have neuroinflammation. They have inflammation of their brain, encephalitis. Maybe those two things are connected with each other, right?

So we teach all this stuff in maps. We teach practitioners, how do you look at the gut? How do you address a patient like we just saw here? You know, how many times had she been to the hospital? All your tests are normal. It must all be in your head. Why don't you do a cytokine panel? Which I'm sure they didn't do,

because that would be very abnormal in a person like that. I mean, autoimmune antibodies against the brain. I don't even order them anymore in my COVID vaccine injury patients because they're always positive. Yes, no. At this point is, yeah, it's like, why waste the $500? Right. I know it's positive, you know, because that's what these vaccines do. And part of it is what they're designed to do.

The other part is, oops, we meant it to do this, but it's going to that. That's what blows my mind is it's designed to create inflammation, right? It's designed to set your body into a bit of a shock. Right. So it starts creating, you know, antibodies. Why is it so unbelievable to people that for some people it went too far? The inflammation went to the brain or weren't able to stop the inflammation. The cytokines, you know, took over or, you know, the energy of the cells, you know, stop.

The mitochondria is we've had scientists literally that were against us turn and say, oh my God, I finally realize what it is, you know, the mitochondria aren't doing their job. This is autism. You know, 20 to 30% of kids on the spectrum have mitochondrial disorders. They don't have genetic mitochondrial disorders. They're toxic. And I want everybody to understand. It's not just vaccines. It's not just vaccines.

It's everything in the environment that intoxicates us, and particularly our kids. They're not small adults. They are much more susceptible to environmental toxins. They have a larger surface area. They're closer to the ground. They're putting things in their mouth. They shouldn't. All that stuff.

So they're going to be more susceptible to environmental. toxins. But, you know, the thing about vaccines, it's the one toxin we injected to kids. All this other stuff. You know, you have your entire gastrointestinal tract or your lungs that can protect you against what you're taking in. But the bottom line is all these things are toxins, and then how well do these kids detox? You know, because again, one of the things we teach in Maps is, you know, how do you evaluate the ability of your patient to detoxify? Because you can measure things like glutathione. Most doctors don't even know what glutathione is. but it's one of the really critical compounds that help us detox oxygen and deal with oxidative stress.

But it helps with heavy metals, helps things like aluminum and mercury and lead and those kinds of things, but also helps us detox other environmental toxins you're going to get from food, water, air, whatever. And if you don't have enough of that, you're the canary in the coal mine. What's amazing, too, just as I think about that, because, you know, Tylenol, if you take Tylenol, it reduces your glutathione. I mean, this is the part if your vaccine's toxic, which it is, designed. to be toxic, send your body inflammation. Then you tell parents, go home, give your kid a Tylenol if they're fussy, and then you wipe out literally the defense system and has to try and clear those toxins out of the body.

And now Tylenol is being sued for causing autism, which I guess in some ways, you know, you could see a connection. Yeah, you hear, I mean, again, I hear stories. These are all anecdotal. You know, I don't have placebo-controlled double-lined studies because they don't exist. But, you know, you hear these stories over and over again that, you know, my child, son or daughter, you know, went and had their two-month vaccines, and, you know, they ran a fever, and, you know, the doctor told me he had used Tylenol, and it took a few days to get better.

And so for the four-month vaccines, they told me, give them Tylenol before they're even vaccinated. So they go into the vaccine depleted and gluten-down, and then, you know, and remember these, you know, the number of vaccines you get at once is just crazy. This was so frustrating. That, you know, doctors, these pediatricians, they actually, I think they think. to doing what's right for kids and they're so stupid. It is so stupid what they're doing. Sorry. Not stupid now. I'm sorry. You're giving them an out. They're not stupid.

I think they are. They're brainwashed. There's a different. I mean, you know. Listen, there's a difference. If you go to medical school and I want you to put yourself in the mind of somebody who's trained. Okay. You know, you go to medical school. All right. You go into residency and particularly residency. I did a part of a surgical residency, but let's do a pediatric residency, all right? You are working 14, 16 hours a day, seven days a week. Everybody around you is saying the same thing,

everybody is teaching you the same thing, you're sleep deprived, you're eating crap, and you're totally stressed out. You are the perfect candidate to be brainwashed. And there's no way you can't be brainwashed because everybody around you says the same thing. And you don't get through the system if you don't repeat the brainwashed philosophy, right?

Even if you understand it's brainwashing, it's hard to fight. Right. It's really hard to fight. because this is a very big boys club. You want to be a member of it, and you are. You got the magic pass. You got the golden ticket into that membership. And to be part of that membership,

you have to go through the hazing, the initiation, and that's your residency. And you walk out of residency, and this is the people that I'm looking at in terms of maps. You walk out of your residency. That's probably not the person we're going to see at a Maps conference. But who we will see is the person that's been in practice five or ten years because at that point they know when that patient

they walk in the room with that patient sitting there they can tell in about two minutes can i really help this person or not am i going to be able to actually resolve their issue or are they just going to be coming back with the same problem over and over again and i can't imagine how frustrating that is right right to know ahead of time i can't help this person right we will give these people the tools to help them help that's my question maps doctors is there is there hope I mean, a lot of people say is there hope for, do you have any success with autism? Do you have success with neurological disorders

and autoimmune disease? Yeah, you know, things have gotten harder as we've moved along because I, you know, I think when I first started treating kids on the spectrum, this was in the mid-2000s, you know, a lot of it was environmental, just pure environmental toxicity, you know, lead, mercury, those kinds of things.

So, you know, if you put them on a gluten-case and free diet, you keylated them to get rid of, get rid of their metals, you detox their gut a little bit, most of them got better. You know, I'd say 25, 30% of them lost their diagnosis. Another 50, you got significantly better. You could still tell there was something, you know, a little bit odd about them.

And the other 20% or 25% that you didn't get off the spectrum or improved, they at least had a much better quality of life because they didn't have the belly pain and all that sort of stuff. You know, what we're looking at now is you have just, just about all these kids have encephalitis, they have inflammation of their brain, and it's being driven by the environmental toxicity. And I don't know if it's because it's generational.

You know, toxicity isn't necessarily genetic, but it's epigenetic. So if mom has a toxic environment, the child is gonna have even more problems, right? And so, you know, the sins of the seven generations, right? The sins of the father bestowed upon the seven generations, that's what happens with toxicity. that if the baby is born to a mother that's toxic,

that baby's gonna have mom's toxins, plus all the toxins that that baby developed in a lifetime. And if it's female, then when she grows up and has her own babies, now it's mom's toxicity, her toxicity, plus whatever she has during pregnancy that she's gonna be delivered to the next generation. It just amps up, and it's just becoming harder and harder. You know, my dream, because I look at,

you know, maybe I have 10,000 kids in my, or 10,000 patients in my practice, is probably 20% kids. All right. So I've got 10,000, I got 2,000, 3,000 kids in my practice. There's 87 million kids in this country, right? So one doctor, 2,000 kids, you know, you do the math. We need a lot of maps doctors, right?

Because, you know, if the function of the American Academy of Pediatrics is to improve the state of pediatric health, I'm sorry, but they have failed. They have failed miserably because you're never going to find health at the bottom of a pill bottle or the end of a needle. Right. You know that. That's not the way you have health. and this idea that we have to stop every child from having any symptom ever.

I mean, that's ludicrous. These kids need to have, you know, they need to go through these illnesses. They need to strengthen their immune system. They need to eat dirt, right? They need to have that exposure because that's what strengthens your immune system. You just got me a headline in New York Times. You know, Del Bigtree brings on the doctor says go out and eat dirt. You just go on it done it.

You go out of that doctor goes laundry. I'm sorry. Let me correct. eating dirt on the high water, you know, I'm not in enough trouble. Okay, let me correct myself. Don't lead your kids eat dirt because that dirt's toxic, okay? If you can find clean dirt, it's full of good nutrients, microbes. It'll actually help the same dirt on your lawn with pesticides.

Probably not a good idea. Yeah. So, yeah, definitely not. I don't even know where to go anymore to eat dirt, but we'll retract that one. We need dirt bars. Dirt bars. There you go. There we go.

Great idea. Dirt bars, organic dirt bars, yeah. We'll be right next to the oxygen and the, clean water. All right, you have a conference coming up for doctors and it is so important for people like Jessica and this is the problem, right? They go out, they injure, they know what's happening and then there's literally no understanding of what we do in this situation except for guys like you and women like you with maps doctors. Tell me about this event coming. So we have our, we have a conference twice a year. So the next one is going to be in Scottsdale.

It's September 6th to the 8th. Now again, these are for practitioners. We've got right here if you're a practitioner, no one out there. This is so important, right? Right there. And by the way, plenty of work to be had here. If you can understand this, there's going to be lines out your door. You two can have 10,000 people in your practice like Dr. Newin-Swander. You have to know this information. So if you know anyone is a doctor, let's make sure we get them all here because this is the future of medicine, unfortunately, because of all the damage that's being done. Absolutely. You know, we, you know, if you're not a practitioner, talk to your practitioners, you know, tell them about maps, tell them what we're doing. You know, you see a practitioner that's frustrated in their practice or hear somebody talk about, you know, oh, geez, I have to do this for the insurance company or that, for the hospital or whatever. You know, those are the people we're looking for. We don't go into medicine, usually. We don't go into medicine because we're looking for a paycheck.

I mean, really, it's a guaranteed income, but you could do a lot better than medicine. We go into medicine because we give a damn. We go to medicine because we care about people. We go into medicine like I did, because I thought. they teach me how to cure disease. That was a joke, right? But that's what we teach in MAPS. We will teach you how to help your patients cure themselves

because I don't think we cure anybody. Your body's going to cure you. I can just try and help you do that, right? And that's what we're doing in MAPS. We're trying to give practitioners the tools to give to their patients so that they can regain their health. That's what we're supposed to be. We're supposed to be healthy.

When we're sick, it's not because we're... need to push ourselves back into a state of health. You know, what we need to do as a practitioner is find out what is the barrier that's stopping the person from becoming healthy? Illness is like a rubber band on stretch. It's not its natural state. Remove the thing that's keeping that on stretch and it will go back into its normal state. And that state is health.

And that's really what maps is about, teaching people the importance of nutrition, how to take care your body, what to do to have a good gut ecosystem, you know, how to manage what you just, you just saw on stage there. How to manage brain inflammation, how to manage neuropathy, how to manage inflammation. Because unfortunately, that's the future. Without organizations like MAPS, if we're going to trust these guys at the CDC and at the FDA, I'm sorry, we're all going to be sick. We're all going to be on four or five drugs. You know, not just our kids. And it's scary. It's scary how many kids are on medications. Yeah. And this is really where, you know, my heart is really in getting the message out there, training practitioners to do what we do.

And then, you know, the lovely thing is these people will come back and train us, right? Because they're going to go out and find something that works that, hey, you're not talking about this at Maps. Bring it on home. Let's teach us, right? Because that's a big part of it as well. This is always changing, but we need to have that set of practitioners that isn't going to look at you when you're in crisis and say, we can't find anything wrong with you. Well, yeah, Dufus, that's because you didn't order the right test. Right. You're not going to find brain inflammation or neuropathy on a CAT scan and a blood count.

I'm sorry, that's not going to happen. You need to learn how do I evaluate that? How do I dive deep down into it? And how do I treat it without using a product from Pfizer, Merck, Zinofia, whoever? Dr. James Newman, just want to thank you for all the work you do for us. here I Can in the High Wire. Thank you for the work you've done in the world and for medicine. You know, on our board, you're also president of MAPS making that happen.

And we're going to drive every doctor we know in there so we can start sort of building this army of good doctors that are still asking questions and trying to help people. Awesome. Appreciate it, definitely. All right, awesome. So look, I mean, look at this show today. We, you know, present you with a problem.

Jessica Sutter, thank God for her courage to step forward. I want you, if you're anywhere in the Texas area, to join us. in Houston at Montgomery County Fairgrounds on Saturday. We're gonna be, you know, working to restore hope with React 19, a powerful group of people, so important, Mickey Willis, Dr. Peter McCullough, a whole slew of brilliant doctors and scientists can be talking.

There's also great music, rock and roll. We're gonna be jamming out and you can meet all of us there. So please come and attend that. And, you know, there it is, that's a problem. We're gonna try and make sure there's funding. Well, where's that funding go? It's gotta go to doctors and know what they're doing. That's why MAPS is so important if you're a doctor out there once again.

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